Congress rejects, Obama implements "Dream Act" by executive order...

[CosmicCowboy]

I posted the actual memo since the press has apparently neglected to cover it...

http://www.ice.gov/doclib/secure-communities/pdf/prosecutorial-discretion-memo.pdf

[ElNono]

Uh? That's not the Dream Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAM_Act)...

I was actually reading they were going to do this not long ago. Basically, giving prosecutors more authority to determine which cases should be prosecuted or not. I'll try to dig up the article.

[ElNono]

Found it: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/18/us/18immig.html

[Wild Cobra]

I agree, it's not the Dream Act.

Here are the House and senate versions.

H 1842 (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1842ih/pdf/BILLS-112hr1842ih.pdf); last action 6/1/11

S 952 (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s952is/pdf/BILLS-112s952is.pdf); last action 5/11/11

I wouldn't consider these dead yet.

[CosmicCowboy]

Found it: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/18/us/18immig.html

Oh please...

It's the meat and potatoes of the dream act by executive order whatever you want to call it...

from your own link:



In practice, the memorandum gives immigration agents authority to postpone or cancel, on a case by case basis, deportations of illegal immigrant students who might have been eligible for legal status under a bill stalled in Congress that is known as the Dream Act.

The authorities are also instructed to give “particular care and consideration” to veterans and active duty members of the military, especially if they have been in combat, and to their close relatives.

Mr. Morton also expanded the authority of federal lawyers who handle cases in immigration courts to dismiss deportation proceedings against immigrants without serious criminal records.

[boutons_deux]

Another one.

I don't think Barry has the balls to appt Warren, but the Repugs can't stop him. Barry needs Wall St campaign contribs, and is already owned by Wall St, anyway. (Wall St owns the country, which it rents to Human-Americans)

Republicans Do Not Have the Power to Block an Elizabeth Warren Recess Appointment

"in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he
(eg, Barry) may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper;"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-arkush/republicans-do-not-have-t_b_880968.html?view=print

[ElNono]

Oh please...

It's the meat and potatoes of the dream act by executive order whatever you want to call it...

from your own link:

Ehhh... no. The Dream Act actually hands out an amnesty for those students, and IMO, it's the meat and potatoes:

...provide conditional permanent residency to certain illegal and deportable alien students who graduate from US high schools, who are of good moral character, arrived in the U.S. legally or illegally as minors, and have been in the country continuously for at least five years prior to the bill's enactment.

The prosecutor discretion memo doesn't grant any of those kids an amnesty. It just gives prosecutors guidelines and more authority to determine how to prioritize the huge amount of cases they don't have resources to deal with since they started to use local police fingerprints to pin point illegals (The Secure Communities program).

[CosmicCowboy]

What is the difference between deciding not to deport them and giving them amnesty?

It's different words with the same effective result.

[Wild Cobra]

I am in the rare position to agree with ElNono on this.

[ElNono]

What is the difference between deciding not to deport them and giving them amnesty?

A legal resident is not illegal, so you can't deport them for being illegally in the country. A legal resident is also granted some other rights (like being legally able to obtain a driver's license and a SSN) and can also apply for citizenship down the road.

The memo doesn't say they shouldn't initiate deportation proceedings on persons fitting the Dream Act's criteria. It just says deportations proceedings should be prioritized by a laundry list of criteria (ie: criminals, repeat offenders, etc).


It's different words with the same effective result.

I disagree. It's a huge difference. One legalizes their status. The other merely avoids starting deportation proceedings at that time.

[ElNono]

Truth be told, they did fuck up in starting such a huge program without funding it appropriately.

[boutons_deux]

"a huge program without funding it"

America is impoverished, broke.

[ElNono]

Well, then they shouldn't have started the program as it is. This is somewhat of a shitty way to address it.

[MannyIsGod]

What is the difference between deciding not to deport them and giving them amnesty?

It's different words with the same effective result.

No way in hell there's no difference. One means you're still breaking the law and can be deported at any time. The other means you're not.