Bill Cartwright To MJ: "If you ever disrespect me again I'll break both your legs"

[Koolaid_Man]

:lol...gangsta...

Now old man Bill Cartwright told MJ that if he ever disrespected him again he'd break both his legs and make sure he never played again...:lol

Check vid below...

Now for those of you that didn't see Cartwright play he was mean and nasty...MJ got scared naturally and went off and took his anger out on little man Kerr...punched him in the fucking eye...All you muthafuckers out there harping on Kobe being a bad teammate while eating MJ's shit....go finger yourselves....:lol and in the immortal words of MJ to Kwame - "You flaming faggots"....

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[Amaso]

epic vid

[DMC]

"Phil Jackson was never the coach of that team, Michael was always the coach"

Phil was a frontrunning quitter.

Thanks for the proof.

[redzero]

http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/mantis.jpg

[dbreiden83080]

"Phil Jackson was never the coach of that team, Michael was always the coach"

Phil was a frontrunning quitter.

Thanks for the proof.

Dumbest quote ever about Jordan being the coach. They won nothing till Jackson took over.. Jordan was the most demanding team-mate ever but Jackson had that ship in order..

[Koolaid_Man]

"Phil Jackson was never the coach of that team, Michael was always the coach"

Phil was a frontrunning quitter.

Thanks for the proof.


If Phil's a quitter you're a Spitter....:lol

[Koolaid_Man]

epic vid


Imagine if MJ had played with Shaq's lazy ass...man the fights would be epic....remember Shaq slapped Kobe once in practice and a lot people said Kobe never forgave nor forgot...So when he had leverage he made it easy for Dr. Buss to choose...

But MJ was by far the worse teammate ever....hitting little white guys in the eye but won't stand up to a man like Cartwright...Cowardice if you ask me...

[DMC]

If Phil's a quitter you're a Spitter....:lol


http://www.gifbin.com/bin/052009/1243271414_black_guy_laughing.gif

[DMC]

Dumbest quote ever about Jordan being the coach. They won nothing till Jackson took over.. Jordan was the most demanding team-mate ever but Jackson had that ship in order..

Phil was a front runner who got ass raped on the way out like he should have.

End of fucking story.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

If Phil's a quitter you're a Spitter....:lol
gr8 joke bro

[Koolaid_Man]

Phil was a front runner who got ass raped on the way out like he should have.

End of fucking story.


Let me tell you how this is going to go down...Kobe will win the next chip under Mike Brown....2011-12...Bynum gets traded...Kobe wins a back to back with Dwight now in the fold 2012-13. Lakers lose 2013 when Brown's contract is up...Phil comes back to lead Dwight and Kobe to one more chip for his 12th before they all sail off into the sun...

Now back to MJ being a bad teammate...:lol

[lefty]

Mike still shits on Kobe though

[NewcastleKEG]

- Jordan never quit on his team mates, Kobe did.....in the playoffs no less....in a GAME 7

- Jordan never ratted on his team mates to the police, Kobe did

- Jordan never ratted on his team mates to his wife, Kobe did

[DMC]

Let me tell you how this is going to go down...Kobe will win the next chip under Mike Brown....2011-12...Bynum gets traded...Kobe wins a back to back with Dwight now in the fold 2012-13. Lakers lose 2013 when Brown's contract is up...Phil comes back to lead Dwight and Kobe to one more chip for his 12th before they all sail off into the sun...

Now back to MJ being a bad teammate...:lol
tbh, imo, fwiw, when are you going to start the "Kobe had more hair than MJ" thread?

Your butthurt over your hero's shortcomings is reaching legendary status.

[dbreiden83080]

Phil was a front runner who got ass raped on the way out like he should have.

End of fucking story.

STFU.. He out-coached Pop badly more than once..

[jacobdrj]

- Jordan never quit on his team mates, Kobe did.....in the playoffs no less....in a GAME 7



Umm, he left, in the prime of his career to play baseball...

[dbreiden83080]

Umm, he left, in the prime of his career to play baseball...

He retired when he knew his head was not in it.. He did the right thing there knowing he could not fully committ.. I don't blame Jordan for retiring, his dad was brutally murdered and he was just burnt out on his own celebrity..

[skut_farkus]

JORDAN>>>>> kobe

and there aint a damn thing you or billy boy can do about it daddy-o

[daslicer]

Yeah we all know if Bill talked like that to Kobe it would have resulted in Kobe getting him traded.

[DMC]

STFU.. He out-coached Pop badly more than once..


END OF FUCKING STORY...


Phil's "outcoaching" technique:

hmmm what's Kobe doing? He's shooting. He missed. Oh cool Shaq got a putback dunk. Hey Rick Fox, do something, run around or something. Damn Kobe just shot again and missed... oh cool Shaq got a put back dunk.

I need to make some substitutions... nah fuck it... Kobe what are you doing? He's shooting again... he hit that one. Kobe is the best.

[DMC]

Umm, he left, in the prime of his career to play baseball...


Not in the middle of a fucking playoff game.

Goddamn... :lmao

[DMC]

Imagine if MJ had played with Shaq's lazy ass...man the fights would be epic....remember Shaq slapped Kobe once in practice and a lot people said Kobe never forgave nor forgot...So when he had leverage he made it easy for Dr. Buss to choose...

But MJ was by far the worse teammate ever....hitting little white guys in the eye but won't stand up to a man like Cartwright...Cowardice if you ask me...

Kobe is a pussy. Shaq slapped him and he cried to management. Cowardice exemplified, and you said it right there.

Way to shit on yourself again, Lenny.

[CubanSucks]

Kobe is a little bitch/prick/faggot

Jordan was a douche/asshole/tool

A nice compromise for most of us. I can't stand either one of them. All of you defending Jordan as the better player (I think he is) I really hope that doesn't mean you're actually fans of that douchebag

[lefty]

Kobe is a little bitch/prick/faggot

Jordan was a douche/asshole/tool

A nice compromise for most of us. I can't stand either one of them. All of you defending Jordan as the better player (I think he is) I really hope that doesn't mean you're actually fans of that douchebag

Dont tell me Magic wasnt an asshole

Because he was as douchey as Mike

[NewcastleKEG]

Jordan > Wilkins > Kobe

[stxspurs]

he didnt even have kerrs number??

[Koolaid_Man]

Kobe is a pussy. Shaq slapped him and he cried to management. Cowardice exemplified, and you said it right there.

Way to shit on yourself again, Lenny.


according to D-Fish...Kobe swung back he didn't cry at all....All I reiterated is that it was a moment Kobe wouldn't forget...He took the city and team fro Shaq and crushed Shaq's LA legacy to a large degree. In other words dipshit DMC....wait wait...I like the sound of that..

Dipshit DMC...:lol in other words he provided the fuel Kobe needed to shit on his legacy of being the best Laker ever :lol

[namlook]

Wilkins > Kobe

:lol You should just submit your resignation now.

[joshdaboss]

Jordan > Shaq > Kobe

[Isitjustme?]

1992 forum

[sendman]

Kukoc has definitely improved in the trash-talking department.

"I told Michael, 'When I first got the ball from you after so long, I thought somebody was throwing stuff from the crowd, so I threw the ball back in the crowd and they said, no, no, we play with that,'" he said.

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicagobulls/post/_/id/5490/kukoc-loving-retirement-in-chicago

[ambchang]

Old news. Jordan was known to be gigantic jackass.

Him, along with Pippen, destroyed Dennis Hopson's confidence for no apparent reason (see Hopson's production on the Bulls vs. when he was on other teams). Both of them tried had a public spat with Krause, and took it out on Kukoc. He killed Kwame Brown's confidence. He befriended Oakley to get a personal body guard (apparently the relationship is still going strong, Also, this was one reason Jordan hated on Cartwright).

More background around Kerr. Kerr punched back, and "earned" the respect of Jordan (ie. Jordan was a bully, and don't have the guts to challenge the ones who would fight back).

Jordan was also a gambler and womanizer.

That being said, Jordan never ratted out on his teammates, quit on them, or was, at any point, a 2nd banana on his own team.

[cheguevara]

Jordan fucked multiple pornstars a night. Kobe couldn't even finish inside a hotel maid.

/thread

[Koolaid_Man]

Old news. Jordan was known to be gigantic jackass.

Him, along with Pippen, destroyed Dennis Hopson's confidence for no apparent reason (see Hopson's production on the Bulls vs. when he was on other teams). Both of them tried had a public spat with Krause, and took it out on Kukoc. He killed Kwame Brown's confidence. He befriended Oakley to get a personal body guard (apparently the relationship is still going strong, Also, this was one reason Jordan hated on Cartwright).

More background around Kerr. Kerr punched back, and "earned" the respect of Jordan (ie. Jordan was a bully, and don't have the guts to challenge the ones who would fight back).

Jordan was also a gambler and womanizer.

That being said, Jordan never ratted out on his teammates, quit on them, or was, at any point, a 2nd banana on his own team.

the point is MJ was more than a Jackass as you so lightly put it :lol...He was an extremely extremely bad teammate, so much so that he was threatened with physical violence by some of the older guys on the team. How many times did Phil kick him out of practice we'll never know...He punched them in the eyes, called them faggots, and other deamaning things and all you can say is he was a jackass...:lol

NBA refs helped him cheat on his wife..I posted links to those stories numerous times...this is more than cheating and worse than what Kobe did because it calls into question the integrity of the game and some of his titles...if the refs would bring you chics to bang what in the hell do you think would prevent them from cheating for you in your title quest.

and last but not least if you think his gambling addictions didn't result in what happned to his dad and his retiring 2 times from the leauge then I have prime real estate I want to sell you Afghanistan....:lol

Now marinate on that for a min...

[stretch]

Now for those of you that didn't see Cartwright play he was mean and nasty...MJ got scared naturally and went off and took his anger out on little man Kerr...punched him in the fucking eye...

incorrect, because Cartwright wasnt on the team the same time Steve Kerr was on the team.

get your facts straight

[Koolaid_Man]

incorrect, because Cartwright wasnt on the team the same time Steve Kerr was on the team.

get your facts straight


no shit sherlock.....all in all...MJ got shut down by Carthwright..we know for a fact MJ didn't say shit else to Cartwright because he's still walking...but fact is he punched Kerr in his own words..."Right in the eye"

The point is there's a big difference in Cartwright and Kerr....MJ did this over a practice game....bad guy right thurrr...:lol I'm trying to find the clip when Anthony Mason punked MJ and MJ completely turned the other way...:lol

[hater]

6 championship. GOAT.

nothing any Kobe cocksucker can do about it. Excep bitch and cry :lmao

[Koolaid_Man]

6 championship. GOAT.

nothing any Kobe cocksucker can do about it. Excep bitch and cry :lmao


not true Kareem has 6 titles and thousands of more points...so he's the GOAT...a Laker is the GOAT...MJ is only the post popular :lol


and thanks for posting....that pic of MJ facing X-Man in your sig is the exact game where Anthony Mason straight-up punked MJ...He came over and shoved MJ and called him a punk and MJ immediately turned around jumped in X-Man's face because he didn't want no parts of Mason....once I find the vid you will be forced to change that history revisionists sig of yours....:lmao

[lefty]

not true Kareem has 6 titles and thousands of more points...so he's the GOAT...a Laker is the GOAT...MJ is only the post popular :lol
Jordan's teams were less stacked
Plus, Magic Johnson extended Kareem's career, let'S face it, the guy has 6 titles over a 20 year career
Jordan has won as many championships in less time

And he has 2 three-peats
And he never lost in the FInals

Kareem never 3-peated
And he lost some Finals series


So, MJ clearly shits on both KAJ and Kobe :lmao

[Koolaid_Man]

Jordan's teams were less stacked
Plus, Magic Johnson extended Kareem's career, let'S face it, the guy has 6 titles over a 20 year career
Jordan has won as many championships in less time

And he has 2 three-peats
And he never lost in the FInals

Kareem never 3-peated
And he lost some Finals series


So, MJ clearly shits on both KAJ and Kobe :lmao


MJ won in a watered down 90's...when it counted the most he couldn't get it done in the 80's...he waited until all the prime competition was either too old or retired altogether....MJ couldn't beat anyone in his prime...and that's a fact....:lmao


and please stop with the sensationalism...between Kobe and Kareem we talking 11 titles and over 60k points.....but keep pimping the Bulls - Spur boy...:lmao

[stretch]

no shit sherlock.....all in all...MJ got shut down by Carthwright..we know for a fact MJ didn't say shit else to Cartwright because he's still walking...but fact is he punched Kerr in his own words..."Right in the eye"

The point is there's a big difference in Cartwright and Kerr....MJ did this over a practice game....bad guy right thurrr...:lol I'm trying to find the clip when Anthony Mason punked MJ and MJ completely turned the other way...:lol

So what is your point? That MJ was a douchebag to his teammates? No shit.

Something you also forget is that most all of his teammates give all the credit in the world to him, because while he was a jerk, his style made them better basketball players, helped them become champions. They all knew that he wasnt being a jerk for the sake of being a jerk, as opposed to his never-ending desire to be the best, wanting everyone to step their game up, including himself. He was as hard of a worker as anyone the NBA has ever seen. So obviously being the best player in the world, and being the hardest worker on the team, none of his teammates could have any room to talk shit back to him. Dude backed himself up. His style was a way of weeding out the mentally weak from the mentally strong. Guys like Hodges and Stacey King struggled because they were mentally weak, and had no business getting serious burn for the team. On the other hand, guys like Pippen, Grant, and Paxson all stepped their game up, and became huge contributors, especially in the clutch.

The end result? He led his teams to 6 championships. Can't argue with the results.

[stretch]

MJ won in a watered down 90's...when it counted the most he couldn't get it done in the 80's...he waited until all the prime competition was either too old or retired altogether....MJ couldn't beat anyone in his prime...and that's a fact....:lmao

Ummm... Barkley? Malone? Stockton? Ewing? Olajuwon? Robinson? Drexler? Thomas? Shaq? Mullin? Payton? I'm pretty sure all of those guys were great players that were either in their primes, or playing at a VERY high level at various points in the 90s. And he beat most of those guys in his many playoff runs.

I do think the 90's was a little weaker era than the 80's and 2000's, but it definitely had its fair share of great players. Difference was, talent was much more widespread through the league, as opposed to a few teams being unusually stacked like in the 80s (Lakers, Celtics, Sixers). MJ never played with as top-heavy talented teams as Bird and Magic did. But he did bring out the best in lesser-talented players, and the Bulls utilized the "team" concept on both ends of the court as well as any team in NBA history.

[lefty]

MJ won in a watered down 90's...when it counted the most he couldn't get it done in the 80's...he waited until all the prime competition was either too old or retired altogether....MJ couldn't beat anyone in his prime...and that's a fact....:lmao


and please stop with the sensationalism...between Kobe and Kareem we talking 11 titles and over 60k points.....but keep pimping the Bulls - Spur boy...:lmao
Watered down?

It's all relative


The fact that the 80's Lakers were mega-stacked made the WC super watered down
The EC in the was more competitive than the WC back then


ANd as Stretch said, MJ faced some stiff competition in the 90's

[Koolaid_Man]

So what is your point? That MJ was a douchebag to his teammates? No shit.

Something you also forget is that most all of his teammates give all the credit in the world to him, because while he was a jerk, his style made them better basketball players, helped them become champions. They all knew that he wasnt being a jerk for the sake of being a jerk, as opposed to his never-ending desire to be the best, wanting everyone to step their game up, including himself. He was as hard of a worker as anyone the NBA has ever seen. So obviously being the best player in the world, and being the hardest worker on the team, none of his teammates could have any room to talk shit back to him. Dude backed himself up. His style was a way of weeding out the mentally weak from the mentally strong. Guys like Hodges and Stacey King struggled because they were mentally weak, and had no business getting serious burn for the team. On the other hand, guys like Pippen, Grant, and Paxson all stepped their game up, and became huge contributors, especially in the clutch.

The end result? He led his teams to 6 championships. Can't argue with the results.


Jerk is not the word...the word is bad guy....and as far as your mentally weak arguement...GTFO.....so helping Pippen, Paxson, and Hodges to become better players is the same as helping Chucky Atkins, Smush Parker, and Kwame Brown to reach prime mental levels...GTFO...MJ had a ton to work with....great shooters, great defenders, etc etc....nothing you say justifies punching at teammate in the eye...or belittle them to the point you call them flaming faggots....like Cartwright I would gotten into MJ's ass....no pun intended...:lol I don't care how fucking bad he wanted it his behavior is a bad model to follow...even though Magic could be a muthafucker at times give me him over MJ....MJ was not a team player...If it wasn't for Phil he would have destroyed that team...

[lefty]

Jerk is not the word...the word is bad guy....and as far as your mentally weak arguement...GTFO.....so helping Pippen, Paxson, and Hodges to become better players is the same as helping Chucky Atkins, Smush Parker, and Kwame Brown to reach prime mental levels...GTFO...MJ had a ton to work with....great shooters, great defenders, etc etc....nothing you say justifies punching at teammate in the eye...or belittle them to the point you call them flaming faggots....like Cartwright I would gotten into MJ's ass....no pun intended...:lol I don't care how fucking bad he wanted it his behavior is a bad model to follow...even though Magic could be a muthafucker at times give me him over MJ....MJ was not a team player...If it wasn't for Phil he would have destroyed that team...
Kobe wouldnt punch a teammate because he is a pussy

Jordan is a man, he punches people

Kobe is a fag, he rapes ugly women

[jacobdrj]

Not in the middle of a fucking playoff game.

Goddamn... :lmao

Were you his teammate, would you feel any less betrayed?

It is a fair distinction that you bring up, but as a teammate, I am not so sure I would see it that way...

[Koolaid_Man]

Ummm... Barkley? Malone? Stockton? Ewing? Olajuwon? Robinson? Drexler? Thomas? Shaq? Mullin? Payton? I'm pretty sure all of those guys were great players that were either in their primes, or playing at a VERY high level at various points in the 90s. And he beat most of those guys in his many playoff runs.

I do think the 90's was a little weaker era than the 80's and 2000's, but it definitely had its fair share of great players. Difference was, talent was much more widespread through the league, as opposed to a few teams being unusually stacked like in the 80s (Lakers, Celtics, Sixers). MJ never played with as top-heavy talented teams as Bird and Magic did. But he did bring out the best in lesser-talented players, and the Bulls utilized the "team" concept on both ends of the court as well as any team in NBA history.

First off remove Hakeem and Shaq from the list of MJ's competiton....or if you don't want to do that then let's go based on relative or similar player position....

In the 80's, MJ was Kevin Garnett, he couldn't pass the first round of the playoffs. When Bird, Magic, and the Pistons got old and begin to hang it up, then and only then did MJ begin to win. In the 90’s he played against pretty empty teams, those which pretty much had one superstar, and that was it. Conversely Kobe lost to a team with multiple HOF’s and All-stars but he also beat that same team in Boston. MJ never did that because he flamed out in the 80's when he had his chance...

Let’s look at MJ’s competition at either guard position during his prime... His prime era was lacking with the exception of 3 players it was relatively light if you ask me. He also faced pretty much weak 1:1 defenders on a nightly basis. He was a better defender by virtue of playing inferior players. If Kobe had to defend MJ’s competition of the 90’s he’d be in a constant wet state. :lol


John Stockton, Tim Hardaway, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Dominique Wilkens, Kevin Johnson, Tom Chambers, Rolondo Blackman, Fat Lever, Chris Mullin, Hersey Hawkins, Ricky Pierce, Alvin Robertson, Clyde Drexler, Jeff Hornacek, Dan Majerele, Terry Porter, Sean , Kenny Anderson, Mark Price, John Starks, Mookie Blaylock, Mitch Richmond, Glen Rice, Terrell Brandon, Christian Laettner, Steve Smith, Kenny Smith, Bobby Phils, Craig Ehlo, Muggsy Bouges etc etc…

Kobe has always dealt with competition at the guard spot on both ends of the ball all the fucking time…

Offensive side: Reggie Miller, Allen Iverson, Gary Payton, Grant Hill, T-MAC, Vince Carter, Michael Redd, Jason Kidd, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Paul Pierece, Ray Allen, Derick Rose, Steve Nash, Russell Westbrook, Rondo, Monta Ellis, Mike Bibby, Joe Johnson, Mike Finley, CP3, Baron Davis, etc etc

Defensive side "Kobe Stoppers" :lol: Ron Artest, Bruce Bowen, Arron Afflalo, Thebo Shefalosa, Dahntay Jones, James Posey, Tayshaun Prince, Doug Christie, Rueben Patterson, Matt Barnes, Tony Allen, Shane Battier, Raja Bell, Stephen Jackson, Eric Snow, Andre Igoudala, Nicolas Batum

I dare anyone to make a case that MJ’s competition was stiffer than what Kobe faces on both sides of the ball. So in conclusion the only time MJ had to work hard was during the 80’s in which he flamed out., repeatedly. The Western conference has been very strong for the last decade + with the Mavericks (10 straight 50 + wins), the Spur title yrs, and the Wylie Coyote Suns, along with the Blazers/ Kings in the earlier part of the decade.

MJ- One of the greatest ever, ok fine but “The greatest ever”, hands down? Hell No. He;s not the greatest scorer (a Laker is - Kareem) He’s not the greatest stats guy ( a Laker is Wilt) and he’s not the greatest ring bearer ( a Celtic is – Bill Russell) MJ is called the best because during the 90’s basketball was boring and he brought excitement back to it as it was fading. That’s it and that’s all.

The biggest difference between Kobe & MJ is that Kobe was able to win without another Hall of Famer playing alongside him. MJ couldn't do squat without Pippen, and Kobe went back 2 back without Shaq, and Gasol isn't even a HOF's and barely an All-Star... This should put an end to it all really...

[Koolaid_Man]

and if that doesn't then Marinate on my old faithful baseline response...lol

Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

.430 win %
0 Titles
0 MVPs
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
1-9 playoff record
0 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year




Kobe without Snaq (6 seasons):

.611 win %
3 Finals appearances
2 Championships
1 MVP (Reg season)
2 MVP (Finals)
5 NBA All Defense 1st Team
81 points in 1 game
62 points in 3 quarters (outscored Mavs all by himself)
4 straight 50+ pt games
30 straight 40+ games averaged 40 for a month



Kobe 3 Seasons without Shaq and Gasol:
.492 win %
0 Titles
1 Regular Season MVP
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
4-8 playoff record
3 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

[stretch]

Jerk is not the word...the word is bad guy....and as far as your mentally weak arguement...GTFO.....so helping Pippen, Paxson, and Hodges to become better players is the same as helping Chucky Atkins, Smush Parker, and Kwame Brown to reach prime mental levels...GTFO...MJ had a ton to work with....great shooters, great defenders, etc etc....nothing you say justifies punching at teammate in the eye...or belittle them to the point you call them flaming faggots....like Cartwright I would gotten into MJ's ass....no pun intended...:lol I don't care how fucking bad he wanted it his behavior is a bad model to follow...even though Magic could be a muthafucker at times give me him over MJ....MJ was not a team player...If it wasn't for Phil he would have destroyed that team...

:cry :cry MJ was a meanie weenie! :cry :cry

:rolleyes

More coulda woulda shoulda garbage.

All that matters in the end, is what you did, not what you could have done. If Tracy McGrady gave a shit, he could have been the best basketball player ever. If Shaq gave effort to shooting FTs, he could have been the greatest basketball player ever. But they didnt, so its irrelevant.

In the end, what MJ did, worked. And it didnt work with just one group of guys, he was able to do so with another completely different group, aside from Pippen, and succeeded again.

[lefty]

First off remove Hakeem and Shaq from the list of MJ's competiton....or if you don't want to do that then let's go based on relative or similar player position....

In the 80's, MJ was Kevin Garnett, he couldn't pass the first round of the playoffs. When Bird, Magic, and the Pistons got old and begin to hang it up, then and only then did MJ begin to win. In the 90’s he played against pretty empty teams, those which pretty much had one superstar, and that was it. Conversely Kobe lost to a team with multiple HOF’s and All-stars but he also beat that same team in Boston. MJ never did that because he flamed out in the 80's when he had his chance...

Let’s look at MJ’s competition at either guard position during his prime... His prime era was lacking with the exception of 3 players it was relatively light if you ask me. He also faced pretty much weak 1:1 defenders on a nightly basis. He was a better defender by virtue of playing inferior players. If Kobe had to defend MJ’s competition of the 90’s he’d be in a constant wet state. :lol


John Stockton, Tim Hardaway, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Dominique Wilkens, Kevin Johnson, Tom Chambers, Rolondo Blackman, Fat Lever, Chris Mullin, Hersey Hawkins, Ricky Pierce, Alvin Robertson, Clyde Drexler, Jeff Hornacek, Dan Majerele, Terry Porter, Sean , Kenny Anderson, Mark Price, John Starks, Mookie Blaylock, Mitch Richmond, Glen Rice, Terrell Brandon, Christian Laettner, Steve Smith, Kenny Smith, Bobby Phils, Craig Ehlo, Muggsy Bouges etc etc…

Kobe has always dealt with competition at the guard spot on both ends of the ball all the fucking time…

Offensive side: Reggie Miller, Allen Iverson, Gary Payton, Grant Hill, T-MAC, Vince Carter, Michael Redd, Jason Kidd, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Paul Pierece, Ray Allen, Derick Rose, Steve Nash, Russell Westbrook, Rondo, Monta Ellis, Mike Bibby, Joe Johnson, Mike Finley, CP3, Baron Davis, etc etc

Defensive side "Kobe Stoppers" :lol: Ron Artest, Bruce Bowen, Arron Afflalo, Thebo Shefalosa, Dahntay Jones, James Posey, Tayshaun Prince, Doug Christie, Rueben Patterson, Matt Barnes, Tony Allen, Shane Battier, Raja Bell, Stephen Jackson, Eric Snow, Andre Igoudala, Nicolas Batum

I dare anyone to make a case that MJ’s competition was stiffer than what Kobe faces on both sides of the ball. So in conclusion the only time MJ had to work hard was during the 80’s in which he flamed out., repeatedly. The Western conference has been very strong for the last decade + with the Mavericks (10 straight 50 + wins), the Spur title yrs, and the Wylie Coyote Suns, along with the Blazers/ Kings in the earlier part of the decade.

MJ- One of the greatest ever, ok fine but “The greatest ever”, hands down? Hell No. He;s not the greatest scorer (a Laker is - Kareem) He’s not the greatest stats guy ( a Laker is Wilt) and he’s not the greatest ring bearer ( a Celtic is – Bill Russell) MJ is called the best because during the 90’s basketball was boring and he brought excitement back to it as it was fading. That’s it and that’s all.

The biggest difference between Kobe & MJ is that Kobe was able to win without another Hall of Famer playing alongside him. MJ couldn't do squat without Pippen, and Kobe went back 2 back without Shaq, and Gasol isn't even a HOF's and barely an All-Star... This should put an end to it all really...

http://www.sadanduseless.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/667.jpg

[Koolaid_Man]

:cry :cry MJ was a meanie weenie! :cry :cry

:rolleyes

More coulda woulda shoulda garbage.

All that matters in the end, is what you did, not what you could have done. If Tracy McGrady gave a shit, he could have been the best basketball player ever. If Shaq gave effort to shooting FTs, he could have been the greatest basketball player ever. But they didnt, so its irrelevant.

In the end, what MJ did, worked. And it didnt work with just one group of guys, he was able to do so with another completely different group, aside from Pippen, and succeeded again.

So did Kobe...:lol and what's really funny is he's going to do it yet again with a 3rd set of different guys...listen I shit all over you with my points...it's more than just Kobe 5 Duncan 4 or Kobe 5 and Dirk 1 and done....Kobe's about to run down MJ in rings and when that day happens bring ya ass nigga....:lol

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First off remove Hakeem and Shaq from the list of MJ's competiton....or if you don't want to do that then let's go based on relative or similar player position....

In the 80's, MJ was Kevin Garnett, he couldn't pass the first round of the playoffs. When Bird, Magic, and the Pistons got old and begin to hang it up, then and only then did MJ begin to win. In the 90’s he played against pretty empty teams, those which pretty much had one superstar, and that was it. Conversely Kobe lost to a team with multiple HOF’s and All-stars but he also beat that same team in Boston. MJ never did that because he flamed out in the 80's when he had his chance...

Let’s look at MJ’s competition at either guard position during his prime... His prime era was lacking with the exception of 3 players it was relatively light if you ask me. He also faced pretty much weak 1:1 defenders on a nightly basis. He was a better defender by virtue of playing inferior players. If Kobe had to defend MJ’s competition of the 90’s he’d be in a constant wet state. :lol


John Stockton, Tim Hardaway, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Dominique Wilkens, Kevin Johnson, Tom Chambers, Rolondo Blackman, Fat Lever, Chris Mullin, Hersey Hawkins, Ricky Pierce, Alvin Robertson, Clyde Drexler, Jeff Hornacek, Dan Majerele, Terry Porter, Sean , Kenny Anderson, Mark Price, John Starks, Mookie Blaylock, Mitch Richmond, Glen Rice, Terrell Brandon, Christian Laettner, Steve Smith, Kenny Smith, Bobby Phils, Craig Ehlo, Muggsy Bouges etc etc…

Kobe has always dealt with competition at the guard spot on both ends of the ball all the fucking time…

Offensive side: Reggie Miller, Allen Iverson, Gary Payton, Grant Hill, T-MAC, Vince Carter, Michael Redd, Jason Kidd, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Paul Pierece, Ray Allen, Derick Rose, Steve Nash, Russell Westbrook, Rondo, Monta Ellis, Mike Bibby, Joe Johnson, Mike Finley, CP3, Baron Davis, etc etc

Defensive side "Kobe Stoppers" :lol: Ron Artest, Bruce Bowen, Arron Afflalo, Thebo Shefalosa, Dahntay Jones, James Posey, Tayshaun Prince, Doug Christie, Rueben Patterson, Matt Barnes, Tony Allen, Shane Battier, Raja Bell, Stephen Jackson, Eric Snow, Andre Igoudala, Nicolas Batum

I dare anyone to make a case that MJ’s competition was stiffer than what Kobe faces on both sides of the ball. So in conclusion the only time MJ had to work hard was during the 80’s in which he flamed out., repeatedly. The Western conference has been very strong for the last decade + with the Mavericks (10 straight 50 + wins), the Spur title yrs, and the Wylie Coyote Suns, along with the Blazers/ Kings in the earlier part of the decade.

MJ- One of the greatest ever, ok fine but “The greatest ever”, hands down? Hell No. He;s not the greatest scorer (a Laker is - Kareem) He’s not the greatest stats guy ( a Laker is Wilt) and he’s not the greatest ring bearer ( a Celtic is – Bill Russell) MJ is called the best because during the 90’s basketball was boring and he brought excitement back to it as it was fading. That’s it and that’s all.

The biggest difference between Kobe & MJ is that Kobe was able to win without another Hall of Famer playing alongside him. MJ couldn't do squat without Pippen, and Kobe went back 2 back without Shaq, and Gasol isn't even a HOF's and barely an All-Star... This should put an end to it all really...


Not reading any of this trash. im not going to get into yet another MJ vs. Kobe debate like you want to keep starting. both are great, amazing players. They both have almost identical skillsets, Kobe being more polished and skilled, MJ being more disciplined and controlled. But in the end, they both are top 5 basketball players ever. End of story.

[BlackSwordsMan]

Dirk to Kobe: ''SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH''

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So did Kobe...:lol and what's really funny is he's going to do it yet again with a 3rd set of different guys...listen I shit all over you with my points...it's more than just Kobe 5 Duncan 4 or Kobe 5 and Dirk 1 and done....Kobe's about to run down MJ in rings and when that day happens bring ya ass nigga....:lol

I'm not here to debate MJ vs. Kobe. Never once did I bring up anything Kobe related. But all this nonsense trying to say Jordan was a "bad guy" and whatever... sure, its true. But the other truth is he was a successful player.

So you really aren't shitting on me with any points, because you are attempting a Kobe vs. MJ debate, and I'm not. You just shit on yourself, and make yourself look like an even bigger buttfuck than we already knew you were.

[lefty]

At least MJ didnt get shitted on by a Euro

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At least MJ didnt get shitted on by a Euro

lefty, with the bads

[Koolaid_Man]

Dirk to Kobe: ''SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH''


An 8 seed to a 1 seed....:lol

[BlackSwordsMan]

8

[Koolaid_Man]

I'm not here to debate MJ vs. Kobe. Never once did I bring up anything Kobe related. But all this nonsense trying to say Jordan was a "bad guy" and whatever... sure, its true. But the other truth is he was a successful player.

So you really aren't shitting on me with any points, because you are attempting a Kobe vs. MJ debate, and I'm not. You just shit on yourself, and make yourself look like an even bigger buttfuck than we already knew you were.

I never said he wasn't successful dipshit....but if you agree that he was bad guy then that's where you should have shut your fucking mouth...

I just wanted you sissy's to admit he was a bad guy....the media loves him and spins it but I won't let you get away with implying Kobe was a bad teammate and ignore MJ's calling his faggots, punching them in their eyes, and getting threatened because he berated them so bad....I told you Kool is gonna bring da troof!!!

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I never said he wasn't successful dipshit....but if you agree that he was bad guy then that's where you should have shut your fucking mouth...

then whats your point in stating he is a bad guy?


I just wanted you sissy's to admit he was a bad guy....the media loves him and spins it but I won't let you get away with implying Kobe was a bad teammate and ignore MJ's calling his faggots, punching them in their eyes, and getting threatened because he berated them so bad....I told you Kool is gonna bring da troof!!!

I think pretty much everyone admitted Jordan was a total jerk. again, what is your purpose in this thread? Just to see people admit that?

People admitting that means....... what exactly?

[Koolaid_Man]

then whats your point in stating he is a bad guy?



I think pretty much everyone admitted Jordan was a total jerk. again, what is your purpose in this thread? Just to see people admit that?

People admitting that means....... what exactly?

Why? Because it tickles my ass to hear you say it....:lmao

what a cathartic moment for us all....:lol

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Why? Because it tickles my ass to hear you say it....:lmao

what a cathartic moment for us all....:lol

okay

[lefty]

lefty, with the bads
Stretch butthurt because Dirk would have been bukkaked by Jordan

[ambchang]

the point is MJ was more than a Jackass as you so lightly put it :lol...He was an extremely extremely bad teammate, so much so that he was threatened with physical violence by some of the older guys on the team. How many times did Phil kick him out of practice we'll never know...He punched them in the eyes, called them faggots, and other deamaning things and all you can say is he was a jackass...:lol

NBA refs helped him cheat on his wife..I posted links to those stories numerous times...this is more than cheating and worse than what Kobe did because it calls into question the integrity of the game and some of his titles...if the refs would bring you chics to bang what in the hell do you think would prevent them from cheating for you in your title quest.

and last but not least if you think his gambling addictions didn't result in what happned to his dad and his retiring 2 times from the leauge then I have prime real estate I want to sell you Afghanistan....:lol

Now marinate on that for a min...

So how does the refs bringing question to the integrity of the game relate to Jordan as a bad guy?

The thing is, Jordan's antics to his teammates has never, at least directly, led to him failing his teammates. Unlike Shaq-gate, parking-lot rant, rape trial during playoffs, and refusing to shoot in Game 7.

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Stretch butthurt because Dirk would have been bukkaked by Jordan

how does that make me butthurt?

[ambchang]

First off remove Hakeem and Shaq from the list of MJ's competiton....or if you don't want to do that then let's go based on relative or similar player position....

In the 80's, MJ was Kevin Garnett, he couldn't pass the first round of the playoffs. When Bird, Magic, and the Pistons got old and begin to hang it up, then and only then did MJ begin to win. In the 90’s he played against pretty empty teams, those which pretty much had one superstar, and that was it. Conversely Kobe lost to a team with multiple HOF’s and All-stars but he also beat that same team in Boston. MJ never did that because he flamed out in the 80's when he had his chance...

Let’s look at MJ’s competition at either guard position during his prime... His prime era was lacking with the exception of 3 players it was relatively light if you ask me. He also faced pretty much weak 1:1 defenders on a nightly basis. He was a better defender by virtue of playing inferior players. If Kobe had to defend MJ’s competition of the 90’s he’d be in a constant wet state. :lol


John Stockton, Tim Hardaway, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Dominique Wilkens, Kevin Johnson, Tom Chambers, Rolondo Blackman, Fat Lever, Chris Mullin, Hersey Hawkins, Ricky Pierce, Alvin Robertson, Clyde Drexler, Jeff Hornacek, Dan Majerele, Terry Porter, Sean , Kenny Anderson, Mark Price, John Starks, Mookie Blaylock, Mitch Richmond, Glen Rice, Terrell Brandon, Christian Laettner, Steve Smith, Kenny Smith, Bobby Phils, Craig Ehlo, Muggsy Bouges etc etc…

Kobe has always dealt with competition at the guard spot on both ends of the ball all the fucking time…

Offensive side: Reggie Miller, Allen Iverson, Gary Payton, Grant Hill, T-MAC, Vince Carter, Michael Redd, Jason Kidd, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Paul Pierece, Ray Allen, Derick Rose, Steve Nash, Russell Westbrook, Rondo, Monta Ellis, Mike Bibby, Joe Johnson, Mike Finley, CP3, Baron Davis, etc etc

Defensive side "Kobe Stoppers" :lol: Ron Artest, Bruce Bowen, Arron Afflalo, Thebo Shefalosa, Dahntay Jones, James Posey, Tayshaun Prince, Doug Christie, Rueben Patterson, Matt Barnes, Tony Allen, Shane Battier, Raja Bell, Stephen Jackson, Eric Snow, Andre Igoudala, Nicolas Batum

I dare anyone to make a case that MJ’s competition was stiffer than what Kobe faces on both sides of the ball. So in conclusion the only time MJ had to work hard was during the 80’s in which he flamed out., repeatedly. The Western conference has been very strong for the last decade + with the Mavericks (10 straight 50 + wins), the Spur title yrs, and the Wylie Coyote Suns, along with the Blazers/ Kings in the earlier part of the decade.

MJ- One of the greatest ever, ok fine but “The greatest ever”, hands down? Hell No. He;s not the greatest scorer (a Laker is - Kareem) He’s not the greatest stats guy ( a Laker is Wilt) and he’s not the greatest ring bearer ( a Celtic is – Bill Russell) MJ is called the best because during the 90’s basketball was boring and he brought excitement back to it as it was fading. That’s it and that’s all.

The biggest difference between Kobe & MJ is that Kobe was able to win without another Hall of Famer playing alongside him. MJ couldn't do squat without Pippen, and Kobe went back 2 back without Shaq, and Gasol isn't even a HOF's and barely an All-Star... This should put an end to it all really...


Gasol barely an allstar? Which planet did you live on? Gasol is a sure fire HoFer, there is no question about that.

as for competition:

Wade, Iverson, Carter, T-Mac, Ray Allen, Stackhouse, Bowen, Finley, Houston, Eddie Jones, Spree, Payton, Francis, Pierce, Artest, Redd, Ginobili, Arenas, Hamilton, Joe Johnson.

Drexler, Iverson, Richmond, Dumars, Blackman, Gervin, Moncrief, Jeff Malone, Lever, Alvin Robertson, Miller, Hornacek, Marjele, Starks, Payton, Sprewell, Penny, Hill, Rice, Eddie Jones, Finley, Houston.

I would say they are similar. On top of that, the rule changes that make the game a more perimeter friendly game has certainly enhanced some of the production of the players in the 00s.

[lefty]

how does that make me butthurt?
I'll let you think about it

Take your time

[Koolaid_Man]

Gasol barely an allstar? Which planet did you live on? Gasol is a sure fire HoFer, there is no question about that.

as for competition:

Wade, Iverson, Carter, T-Mac, Ray Allen, Stackhouse, Bowen, Finley, Houston, Eddie Jones, Spree, Payton, Francis, Pierce, Artest, Redd, Ginobili, Arenas, Hamilton, Joe Johnson.

Drexler, Iverson, Richmond, Dumars, Blackman, Gervin, Moncrief, Jeff Malone, Lever, Alvin Robertson, Miller, Hornacek, Marjele, Starks, Payton, Sprewell, Penny, Hill, Rice, Eddie Jones, Finley, Houston.

I would say they are similar. On top of that, the rule changes that make the game a more perimeter friendly game has certainly enhanced some of the production of the players in the 00s.

So you steal A.I but won't give me Reggie Miller....you're argument is as softcake as you are....:lol and no...right now Gasol is not a HOF and like i said he's barely an All-Star....this should be irrefutable to those of us with right minds.

[Koolaid_Man]

So how does the refs bringing question to the integrity of the game relate to Jordan as a bad guy?

The thing is, Jordan's antics to his teammates has never, at least directly, led to him failing his teammates. Unlike Shaq-gate, parking-lot rant, rape trial during playoffs, and refusing to shoot in Game 7.


gotdam homie...you have the comprehension skills of a gnat. the fact that Refs were bringing Ho's to MJ's hotel room regardless of his marital status is a huge fucking question mark as for integrity. Pussy is sacred and special :lol and if they'd bring him pussy then cheating for him in basketball ( i.e calls and special treatment) would be a literal pebble drop in the ocean...

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So you steal A.I but won't give me Reggie Miller....you're argument is as softcake as you are....:lol and no...right now Gasol is not a HOF and like i said he's barely an All-Star....this should be irrefutable to those of us with right minds.

Gasol is only an HOF because he was second fiddle to Kobe on a multi-championship run.

Same for Pippen. I have a hard time believing someone who averages 16/6/5 for his career would be an HOF deserving player otherwise.

Argument goes both ways, moron.

[Koolaid_Man]

Gasol is only an HOF because he was second fiddle to Kobe on a multi-championship run.

Same for Pippen. I have a hard time believing someone who averages 16/6/5 for his career would be an HOF deserving player otherwise.

Argument goes both ways, moron.


Gasol is not a HOF....Jordan proved he couldn't win without Pippen....

and for the record this is the worse thing Kobe has ever done to a teammate..He pushed Gasol and said loudly "MOVE"....Gasol set a pick on Kobe while Kobe was trying to D up his man....:lol

Dqu5m6qSfEA

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*glug**glug* too much *glug* kobe dick *glug**glug**glug* in my *glug* mouth *glug**glug*

[Koolaid_Man]

So glug...glug....if MJ shits on Kobe at 6>5 what does he do to Dirk....Scat in his mouth...:lol

[lefty]

So glug...glug....if MJ shits on Kobe at 6>5 what does he do to Dirk....Scat in his mouth...:lol
What'S the point of this post?


MJ shits on everybody anyway

[Koolaid_Man]

What'S the point of this post?


MJ shits on everybody anyway


not exactly bro...everyone plays their role in this process...lemme explain...:lol

MJ is the asshole that shits, Kobe is the toilet seat (for now), while everyone else makes up the toilet. He sits on the toilet seat but shits in the toilet...the shit never touches Kobe but it's all in Dirk, Duncan, and Lebron's face. :lol

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So glug...glug....if MJ shits on Kobe at 6>5 what does he do to Dirk....Scat in his mouth...:lol

I have no problem with that. Dirk simply is not as good as MJ. Not many people ever has been. :rolleyes

[Koolaid_Man]

I have no problem with that. Dirk simply is not as good as MJ. Not many people ever has been. :rolleyes

there's only been one to be compared to and actually have the opportunity to bypass him and it's the toilet seat guy....:lol

My point is if 6>5 means getting shitted on what does 5>1 mean? :lmao

[ambchang]

So you steal A.I but won't give me Reggie Miller....you're argument is as softcake as you are....:lol and no...right now Gasol is not a HOF and like i said he's barely an All-Star....this should be irrefutable to those of us with right minds.

Gasol will most definitely make the HoF, no question. He has been a top 3 big man in the league for the last few years.

Miller's prime pretty much ended in 01, so having him as Kobe's competition doesn't really help too much, as there is very little overlap in the two players' prime.

AI started to play in 96, and he played well right away, so he does have a 3 year overlap with MJ's prime.

[Koolaid_Man]

Gasol will most definitely make the HoF, no question. He has been a top 3 big man in the league for the last few years.

Miller's prime pretty much ended in 01, so having him as Kobe's competition doesn't really help too much, as there is very little overlap in the two players' prime.

AI started to play in 96, and he played well right away, so he does have a 3 year overlap with MJ's prime.


If Kobe came into the league in 96 and Millers prime end in 01 then what are we talking...Apples to Apples or Apples to Orange Juice...

you seem like a genuinely stupid guy...but no disrespect...

[ambchang]

gotdam homie...you have the comprehension skills of a gnat. the fact that Refs were bringing Ho's to MJ's hotel room regardless of his marital status is a huge fucking question mark as for integrity. Pussy is sacred and special :lol and if they'd bring him pussy then cheating for him in basketball ( i.e calls and special treatment) would be a literal pebble drop in the ocean...

It has to do with the integrity of the league and controls of the league, not with MJ.

What, you think MJ trying to get favours from the league for asking refs to pimp for him?

[ambchang]

If Kobe came into the league in 96 and Millers prime end in 01 then what are we talking...Apples to Apples or Apples to Orange Juice...

you seem like a genuinely stupid guy...but no disrespect...

Kobe didn't start hitting his prime until at least 00, some would argue 01 or 99. Now I do know you slurp off of Kobe quite a bit, but please don't tell me how his 7.6 ppg in 96 would make him the greatest SG in the history of the league.

[Koolaid_Man]

It has to do with the integrity of the league and controls of the league, not with MJ.

What, you think MJ trying to get favours from the league for asking refs to pimp for him?


fyi- The word stupid in Hebrew implies being insensible to moral truth...

[Koolaid_Man]

Kobe didn't start hitting his prime until at least 00, some would argue 01 or 99. Now I do know you slurp off of Kobe quite a bit, but please don't tell me how his 7.6 ppg in 96 would make him the greatest SG in the history of the league.

your post reminds me of a prostitute ad...nothing but bait-n-switch...:lol

So when did Prime and Productivity become synonymous....


what did Darko avg in his prime...:lol

ahh fuck it I'm talking to a fucking idiot...

[ambchang]

fyi- The word stupid in Hebrew implies being insensible to moral truth...

fyi- the phrase guilty by association in English implies people going witchhunt on others to prove a flawed point.

[ambchang]

your post reminds me of a prostitute ad...nothing but bait-n-switch...:lol

So when did Prime and Productivity become synonymous....


what did Darko avg in his prime...:lol

ahh fuck it I'm talking to a fucking idiot...

I wouldn't call Reggie Miller Kobe's competition since they have very little overlap in their primes. When did I ever mention productivity?

[Koolaid_Man]

fyi- the phrase guilty by association in English implies people going witchhunt on others to prove a flawed point.


flawed point or not you're going to be fucked up after the hunt is over....

[Koolaid_Man]

I wouldn't call Reggie Miller Kobe's competition since they have very little overlap in their primes. When did I ever mention productivity?


you posted Kobe's rookie numbers..gotdam listen to yourself man...and I wouldn't call A.I and MJ 'prime' competitors either...but fact is Kobe played Miller in the finals...

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there's only been one to be compared to and actually have the opportunity to bypass him and it's the toilet seat guy....:lol

My point is if 6>5 means getting shitted on what does 5>1 mean? :lmao

You keep acting as if I'm trying to compare Kobe and MJ, or discredit MJ. I'm not. I don't. I am a big fan of both players. And you keep bringing Dirk into the conversation, and I have never even mentioned him, and don't care to.

You keep making points that have no point.

[ambchang]

flawed point or not you're going to be fucked up after the hunt is over....

Explain ...

And this is what my first response was:



First off remove Hakeem and Shaq from the list of MJ's competiton....or if you don't want to do that then let's go based on relative or similar player position....

In the 80's, MJ was Kevin Garnett, he couldn't pass the first round of the playoffs. When Bird, Magic, and the Pistons got old and begin to hang it up, then and only then did MJ begin to win. In the 90’s he played against pretty empty teams, those which pretty much had one superstar, and that was it. Conversely Kobe lost to a team with multiple HOF’s and All-stars but he also beat that same team in Boston. MJ never did that because he flamed out in the 80's when he had his chance...

Let’s look at MJ’s competition at either guard position during his prime... His prime era was lacking with the exception of 3 players it was relatively light if you ask me. He also faced pretty much weak 1:1 defenders on a nightly basis. He was a better defender by virtue of playing inferior players. If Kobe had to defend MJ’s competition of the 90’s he’d be in a constant wet state. :lol


John Stockton, Tim Hardaway, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Dominique Wilkens, Kevin Johnson, Tom Chambers, Rolondo Blackman, Fat Lever, Chris Mullin, Hersey Hawkins, Ricky Pierce, Alvin Robertson, Clyde Drexler, Jeff Hornacek, Dan Majerele, Terry Porter, Sean , Kenny Anderson, Mark Price, John Starks, Mookie Blaylock, Mitch Richmond, Glen Rice, Terrell Brandon, Christian Laettner, Steve Smith, Kenny Smith, Bobby Phils, Craig Ehlo, Muggsy Bouges etc etc…

Kobe has always dealt with competition at the guard spot on both ends of the ball all the fucking time…

Offensive side: Reggie Miller, Allen Iverson, Gary Payton, Grant Hill, T-MAC, Vince Carter, Michael Redd, Jason Kidd, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Paul Pierece, Ray Allen, Derick Rose, Steve Nash, Russell Westbrook, Rondo, Monta Ellis, Mike Bibby, Joe Johnson, Mike Finley, CP3, Baron Davis, etc etc

Defensive side "Kobe Stoppers" :lol: Ron Artest, Bruce Bowen, Arron Afflalo, Thebo Shefalosa, Dahntay Jones, James Posey, Tayshaun Prince, Doug Christie, Rueben Patterson, Matt Barnes, Tony Allen, Shane Battier, Raja Bell, Stephen Jackson, Eric Snow, Andre Igoudala, Nicolas Batum

I dare anyone to make a case that MJ’s competition was stiffer than what Kobe faces on both sides of the ball. So in conclusion the only time MJ had to work hard was during the 80’s in which he flamed out., repeatedly. The Western conference has been very strong for the last decade + with the Mavericks (10 straight 50 + wins), the Spur title yrs, and the Wylie Coyote Suns, along with the Blazers/ Kings in the earlier part of the decade.

MJ- One of the greatest ever, ok fine but “The greatest ever”, hands down? Hell No. He;s not the greatest scorer (a Laker is - Kareem) He’s not the greatest stats guy ( a Laker is Wilt) and he’s not the greatest ring bearer ( a Celtic is – Bill Russell) MJ is called the best because during the 90’s basketball was boring and he brought excitement back to it as it was fading. That’s it and that’s all.

The biggest difference between Kobe & MJ is that Kobe was able to win without another Hall of Famer playing alongside him. MJ couldn't do squat without Pippen, and Kobe went back 2 back without Shaq, and Gasol isn't even a HOF's and barely an All-Star... This should put an end to it all really...


Gasol barely an allstar? Which planet did you live on? Gasol is a sure fire HoFer, there is no question about that.

as for competition:

Wade, Iverson, Carter, T-Mac, Ray Allen, Stackhouse, Bowen, Finley, Houston, Eddie Jones, Spree, Payton, Francis, Pierce, Artest, Redd, Ginobili, Arenas, Hamilton, Joe Johnson.

Drexler, Iverson, Richmond, Dumars, Blackman, Gervin, Moncrief, Jeff Malone, Lever, Alvin Robertson, Miller, Hornacek, Marjele, Starks, Payton, Sprewell, Penny, Hill, Rice, Eddie Jones, Finley, Houston.

I would say they are similar. On top of that, the rule changes that make the game a more perimeter friendly game has certainly enhanced some of the production of the players in the 00s.

So it seems we were talking about competition all along, not sure when productivity comes in. You were talking about something a gnat?

[ambchang]

you posted Kobe's rookie numbers..gotdam listen to yourself man...and I wouldn't call A.I and MJ 'prime' competitors either...but fact is Kobe played Miller in the finals...

Since when did I say that has anything to do with productivity, it only has to do with demonstrating 96-97 was not Kobe's prime. I am not sure how you ran into that conclusion, perhaps you were too butthurt by someone posting less than stellar numbers of Kobe's rookie season?

Kobe played Miller in the finals, so? Kidd played Wade in the finals too, I wouldn't say the two are necessarily prime competitors. AI had a 3 year lap with MJ in their respective primes.

[ambchang]

You keep acting as if I'm trying to compare Kobe and MJ, or discredit MJ. I'm not. I don't. I am a big fan of both players. And you keep bringing Dirk into the conversation, and I have never even mentioned him, and don't care to.

You keep making points that have no point.

He did mention bait and switch though, so he may be on to something.

And Dirk > Kobe tbh. Dirk destroyed Kobe in their lone face to face match in the playoffs, and that's all it counts.

[Koolaid_Man]

Explain ...

And this is what my first response was:


So it seems we were talking about competition all along, not sure when productivity comes in. You were talking about something a gnat?


ok...let me try this again dumbass...when you posted Kobe's rookie numbers it's a direct correlation to productivity...it's measurable and quantifiable...in the sub context of the competition argument I originally posted you could subtly imply productivity as well by simple virtue of those players ultimately being great competition because of their stats...but my main point or argument wasn't numbers focused you tied in numbers to try and prove an argument that I quickly shot down which was A.I was not prime competition to MJ more so for Kobe...reality is Kobe played against both Miller and A.I in the NBA finals...so you lose this argument DAWG!!!:lol

[Koolaid_Man]

He did mention bait and switch though, so he may be on to something.

And Dirk > Kobe tbh. Dirk destroyed Kobe in their lone face to face match in the playoffs, and that's all it counts.

Dirk and Duncan Combined might equal Kobe...

here is what the facts show:

Kobe 5

Duncan and Dirk 5

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Dirk and Duncan Combined might equal Kobe...

here is what the facts show:

Kobe 5

Duncan and Dirk 5

here is what the facts show:

Horry 6

Kobe 5

[Ghazi]

:lol 122-86
:lol swept
:lol Kool_aid Man

[Koolaid_Man]

:lol 122-86
:lol swept
:lol Kool_aid Man


the old and feeble minded tend to think in linear terms...:lol

[pass1st]

Kobe might not be the best player in the league anymore, but he sure is the most talked about. :wakeup

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Kobe might not be the best player in the league anymore, but he sure is the most talked about. :wakeup

Kobe is still stupid good. While I'm not sure he is the best anymore, he is still the most versatile and skilled offensive player in the league.

[DMC]

here is what the facts show:

Horry 6

Kobe 5

Horry has 7

[spizzle_tronk]

u mad

[ambchang]

ok...let me try this again dumbass...when you posted Kobe's rookie numbers it's a direct correlation to productivity...it's measurable and quantifiable...in the sub context of the competition argument I originally posted you could subtly imply productivity as well by simple virtue of those players ultimately being great competition because of their stats...but my main point or argument wasn't numbers focused you tied in numbers to try and prove an argument that I quickly shot down which was A.I was not prime competition to MJ more so for Kobe...reality is Kobe played against both Miller and A.I in the NBA finals...so you lose this argument DAWG!!!:lol
Ok...let me try this again numbnut…when I posted Kobe’s rookie numbers it’s directly about Kobe and Miller not having overlapped primes, it’s not even correlation or anything…I never subtly or directly implied anything about productivity, it’s you misinterpreting what was said, and acting all butthurt. I had Iverson as competition against Kobe AND Jordan, because there was an overlap. Reality is played against someone in the Finals have NOTHING to do being prime competition, competing against each other during their primes have. You are the first person on this planet to say Kidd is prime competition against Lebron and Wade…so you lost this argument CAT!!!:lol


Dirk and Duncan Combined might equal Kobe...

here is what the facts show:

Kobe 5

Duncan and Dirk 5

Here is what the facts show:

Horry 7

Kobe and Gasol 7

LOL getting butthurt over Kobe's rookie numbers
LOL can't read
LOL jumping to conclusions and shoving words in my mouth (I know you like to shove things in your mouth, but please)

[InTheCrust]

crofl lakerfag.... it's one thing to defend kobe, but to go after mj is ridiculous considering 36 is barely a month old.

keep eating that bean dick, and chugging that jizz. or you could imagine about it in the shower, because we all know that's how you roll... :lol