Pacers have traded this pick to the Spurs for George Hill sources say

[Spurs Brazil]

chadfordinsider:
Pacers have traded this pick to the Spurs for George Hill sources say.

[Mal]

Wojno confirmed

[objective]

Boom

I was among several pointing out the Pacers as a trade partner for Hill the past few days

I like Singleton more, but hey . . .

Here it is.

YES.

[MaNu4Tres]

Props to objective on calling this one out a few weeks ago. :tu

It made too much sense.

[blizz]

Anything else to this?

[baseline bum]

A 6'7" power forward? I'm not a huge Hill fan by any stretch and the Spurs are pretty loaded at the backup 2, but do the Spurs need another undersized power forward? CROFL Hill homers at least though.

[objective]

Props to objective on calling this one out a few weeks ago. :tu

It made too much sense.

yep.

Can't pay both Parker and Hill big money when Hill comes up, as many including yourself have noted.

Now will the Spurs do my other hope . . . Mack at 29?

[Spurs Brazil]

Hill can't play PG. Neal and Anderson can play at SG. We got a real SF who cant play defense.

I like this trade. I hope we can sign a real PG now.

Thanks Hill and good luck

[da_suns_fan]

He'll play the 3 and do everything Richard Jefferson was suppose to do for a tenth of the price.

Nice move by Spurs.

[Spurs Brazil]

Physicals Positions Rankings Salary Misc
H: 6' 7"
W: 225 lbs
Bday: 06/29/1991
(19 Years Old)
Current: SF
NBA: SF
Possible: SF
Round: 1 Pick: 14 in 2011 Mock Draft
Rank 10 in Top 100 Prospects
Rank 5 in NCAA Sophomores
Rank 1 in 2011 Wings
RSCI: 48
Agent: Brian Elfus
DRAFT ELIGIBLE
High School: King High
Hometown: Riverside, Calif
Best Case: Shawn Marion
Worst Case: Luc Richard Mbah A Moute

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kawhi-Leonard-5821/#ixzz1Q9SR48Td
http://www.draftexpress.com

[Sigz]

He's better than RJ.

[baseline bum]

I hope they didn't give up the #29: I'd like to see the Spurs take a gamble on Selby there.

[Mal]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
The Pacers will also send the 42nd pick in this draft to the Spurs as part of the package to get George Hill, source says.

[timtonymanu]

With Gary Neal's emergence and James Anderson's potential, Hill became expendable. I'm not angry at this. But I do appreciate everything George did here. I hope he reaches his full potential in Indiana. Class act, hard worker :toast

[Arc]

"The Pacers don't get the Spurs 29th pick in the trade."

yay

[ducks]

maybe hill will not twitter about spur bandwagoner fans now

[ducks]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174813

the thread that had three post in it is who spurs got:lol

[Spurminator]

Best of luck to Hill. I was a big fan. Sad it didn't work out.

[noob cake]

Pacers just got ripped off

[spurs1990]

Who did the Spurs get? The big hands guy?

[TheChillFactor]

Best of luck to George Hill.

[Arc]

"Pacers also sent the 42nd pick and the right to Erazem Lorbek to the Spurs in that George Hill deal.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz1Q9UgefDA
http://www.draftexpress.com "

[flox]

lorbek should be a steal

[ernest787]

i'm a fan of the move


We now have size at 3. Get him working with Chip ASAP

[Kori Ellis]

Good deal for the Spurs. TP trade rumors floating helped bump up GHill's value.

[itzsoweezee]

Don't know why they took Leonard over Singleton. Anyone have any idea?

[MannyIsGod]

Looks like a damn good trade for the Spurs to be quite honest. I liked Hill a lot but he was fairly redundant and not going to be affordable in a year.

[baseline bum]

Good deal for the Spurs. TP trade rumors floating helped bump up GHill's value.

CIA Pop? Or just luck that Valaciunas fell through?

[objective]

Don't know why they took Leonard over Singleton. Anyone have any idea?

i don't know . . .

I had heard today that Singleton had added close to 20 pounds to his college playing weight while building his body . . . maybe there was concern he was getting too big or slow to cover SFs?

[ernest787]

no idea, but the FO deserves a hand clap

this was a great move, and we still have the 29th pick. I like it

[MannyIsGod]

I also got to see Leonard play quite a bit last year since SDSU is in the MWC and I can tell you I loved what I saw. He definitely was a beast against my Lobos.

[Spurs Brazil]

Erazem Lorbek

On August 18, 2009 he was transferred to Liga ACB club FC Barcelona for an undisclosed fee.[3] He signed a three-year contract with the possibility to leave and join NBA after his second year.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erazem_Lorbek

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The Spurs also received the 42nd pick and the draft rights to Erazem Lorbek from the Pacers.

[blizz]

Can this guy shoot?

[MannyIsGod]

Just a damn good trade. 2 prospects, a draft pick, and they keep their first for a guy they were going to have to overpay to keep in a year.

The more I sit on this trade the more I really like it. Well done.

[TacoCabanaFajitas]

Assholes here scoffed at me when I said I wanted Mario Chalmers in that draft. So much for Hill being the future pg.

[Landon Donofag]

Can this guy shoot?

He's not a good shooter.

[Gino2882]

Can this guy shoot?

Not yet. He definitely isn't a true wing player yet. Looks like a great defender from the SF spot, but his perimeter game needs serious work.

[ernest787]

no he cannot

but he's 6'9" and will play the SF position. He is very long as well, and a tough defender

Spurs will get in working with Chip and improve his shot. He fits more in the Spurs system than RJ ever did

Love the move

[MannyIsGod]

Can this guy shoot?

Definitely not a great shooter.

[NickiRasgo]

Hoping that he could develop those jumpers. If you're going to choose, Sam Young or this guy?

[ShoogarBear]

So is Blair on the block now?

[angel_luv]

"Pacers also sent the 42nd pick and the right to Erazem Lorbek to the Spurs in that George Hill deal.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz1Q9UgefDA
http://www.draftexpress.com "

Lorbek!!!!!!

Yes! :)

[wut]

So is Blair on the block now?

must be....also, who is backup pg? /sigh This trade just makes me say wtf.

[blizz]

Looks like were gonna get a good player at 29 too

[ducks]

heard he is bruce bowen jr

[MannyIsGod]

The biggest factor is that Leonard has the potential to be the best perimeter defender we've had since Bowen. Of course not on Bowen level (remains to be seen if he can elevate it that high) but defending and rebounding is his skillset.

Young Ron Artest maybe but without the drama.

[NRHector]

Can this guy shoot?better yet, can this guy spread the floor?

[angel_luv]

Guess Express Lube will be looking for a new spokesman.

[NickiRasgo]

So how about Da'Sean Butler? Please move RJ, Spurs, with Bonner.

[Spurminator]

Assholes here scoffed at me when I said I wanted Mario Chalmers in that draft. So much for Hill being the future pg.

Chalmers is still worse than Hill and would not have gotten us this much in a trade.

[Landon Donofag]

Young ron artest? Bowen Jr? :lmao

[flox]

Lorbek will be a beast for us book it!

[MannyIsGod]

@DeJuan45
DeJuan Blair
IM SICK SWEAR IMMA MISS MY BRO!! @George_Hill3

:lmao

[itzsoweezee]

Glad for Hill. He gets to go home and gets to be a big part of an up-and-coming team that has a bright future.

[BackHome]

The guy has a freakin 7'3 wing span which is longer then some centers! I like the trade and though I am sad to see Hill go I am glad that he gets to go to his hometown state.

[benefactor]

Just a damn good trade. 2 prospects, a draft pick, and they keep their first for a guy they were going to have to overpay to keep in a year.

The more I sit on this trade the more I really like it. Well done.
Well said. :tu

[baseline bum]

Glad for Hill. He gets to go home and gets to be a big part of an up-and-coming team that has a bright future.

He can probably start next to Collison there. I hope he does well as a Pacer.

[Mugen]

Spurs weren't going to be able to keep hill past this year anyways. George isn't really a guy you can consider a building block for the future.

Spurs probably keep TP and get a solid defensive prospect at a need position, a good Euro pick and a extra draft pick thats not guaranteed.

Great trade IMO, gonna miss Hill though. good luck playing at home.

[objective]

I put on the draft thread that Bob Kemp, who's on the air right now doing live draft coverage (http://azsportstalk.com/listenlive/), named sportstalk radio host of the decade by SI, loves Leonard for the Spurs.

Called Leonard "the perfect Spur" and also said he was "Bruce Bowen Jr."

Kemp has a damn good track record with this stuff and watches as much NCAA ball as anyone (doesn't watch international ball though). When Hill was drafted, Kemp talked about Hill during that night and actually had watched IUPUI more than once and said that night that Hill could play some. Didn't like him strongly, and not so much as a point, but liked him.

Kemp also loved Anderson and lobbied for him as a player of the year candidate at OKS. Really loved him for the Spurs.

[Arc]

this guy is the next jordan.

joking aside, it was a great trade. we've all been wanting a good perimeter defender and rebounder. this is that guy.

george hill had three years to show us something more, but i think he hit his ceiling here in SA. i'm gonna miss him, but we're not losing much since neal performed so well in his first season. i like what we've got. now if only we could get rid of bonner and rj.

[MannyIsGod]

Its definitely good for Hill as well. And for Indiana if he blossoms there. I'd probably say odds are against him becoming more than a 12-5 player on a consistent basis but maybe he'll surpass that.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Assholes here scoffed at me when I said I wanted Mario Chalmers in that draft. So much for Hill being the future pg.

Chalmers wouldn't have been the future either. Dude sucks.

[MannyIsGod]

Young ron artest? Bowen Jr? :lmao


I put on the draft thread that Bob Kemp, who's on the air right now doing live draft coverage (http://azsportstalk.com/listenlive/), named sportstalk radio host of the decade by SI, loves Leonard for the Spurs.

Called Leonard "the perfect Spur" and also said he was "Bruce Bowen Jr."

Kemp has a damn good track record with this stuff and watches as much NCAA ball as anyone (doesn't watch international ball though). When Hill was drafted, Kemp talked about Hill during that night and actually had watched IUPUI more than once and said that night that Hill could play some. Didn't like him strongly, and not so much as a point, but liked him.

Kemp also loved Anderson and lobbied for him as a player of the year candidate at OKS. Really loved him for the Spurs.

Bad trolls are bad.

[TacoCabanaFajitas]

Chalmers is still worse than Hill and would not have gotten us this much in a trade.

That's a matter of debate. At least Chalmers can drain his open 3s and do it in a pressure packed game. We may have been able to use him this year while Conley was mouthfucking our PG.

[K-State Spur]

Assholes here scoffed at me when I said I wanted Mario Chalmers in that draft. So much for Hill being the future pg.

Chalmers wouldn't have been the best Spurs player in a series that saw the Spurs get the Mavs' monkey off their back.

He also wouldn't have netted the 15th (and possibly more) overall pick in this draft.

Hill's value, be it an end, has already been more than Chalmers ever would have.

[DPG21920]

How does this help the Spurs win now or rebuild

[LegendaryFan44]

Ummm..just read the scouting report on him..HE CANT SHOOT TO SAVE HIS LIFE..omg...glad we traded Hill..but not for this!!!!

[Spurologist]

Good Luck Hill!

Here's my last

HHhhhhhiiiiiiiiillllllllllllllllll 3333333333333333333333333333333333333

[MannyIsGod]

Depending on what kind of player Leonard turns out to be they could definitely be better with him over hill.

[Spursnlego]

Its just a proposed trade which means it hasn't gone through yet right?

[Landon Donofag]

He can't spread the floor aka Sp:lolrs=F:lolcked

[VI_Massive]

Good thing about the trade: We drafted a young athletic wing who can defend and rebound.

Bad thing about the trade: Pop plans to play him at the 4.

[ducks]

Ummm..just read the scouting report on him..HE CANT SHOOT TO SAVE HIS LIFE..omg...glad we traded Hill..but not for this!!!!

he can defend better then hill

he is much cheaper
not going to whine if he does not get playing time because he wants a big contract next year

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Hopefully this guy can be a Sam Young type. I don't care if they can't shoot, I want to go back to defensive spurs basketball.

[Russo21]

Spurs are fucked if that's the only move they pull.

I've heard they were trying to trade tony but were trying to include RJ in the deal but that turned all the other teams off.

Why did we overpay Dick Jefferson so much. 8.4 million for someone who sucked so bad in his first year, averaged only 12pts and played sucky defense and we still payed him like 40 million for 4 years? Thats the dumbest F/O decision ever.

Now we're fucked

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I just hope this will allow us to keep Parker. I also love the fact this young buck is a superb wing defender with a tenacious 7'3 wingspan. Something this team desperately needs.

[I. Hustle]

Depending on what kind of player Leonard turns out to be they could definitely be better with him over hill.

You can say that about ANY player.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Ummm..just read the scouting report on him..HE CANT SHOOT TO SAVE HIS LIFE..omg...glad we traded Hill..but not for this!!!!

Seriously? All he needs to do is work with Chip and get to where he can hit from either corner at a semi-consistent clip, and we're set.

[ernest787]

^^^^^

exactly

Chip will get this kid a decent shot from the corner

this was a great trade

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Seriously? All he needs to do is work with Chip and get to where he can hit from either corner at a semi-consistent clip, and we're set.

Exactly, he just needs to hit corner 3's (which are usually wide open) and he'll be fine. Plus he averaged nearly 16 ppg without an outside a shot so if he tends to attack the rim more than most, I'm okay with that :tu

[DPG21920]

Unless the Spurs move RJ, this guy likely won't have a chance to do anything
Hill was a very good rotation player. I'm not against trading Hill, but why for this?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Seriously? All he needs to do is work with Chip and get to where he can hit from either corner at a semi-consistent clip, and we're set.

Haha, I knew this trade would get AHF outta the woodworks.

[NRHector]

Unless the Spurs move RJ, this guy likely won't have a chance to do anything
Hill was a very good rotation player. I'm not against trading Hill, but why for this?

I feel your pain

[DPG21920]

Seriously? All he needs to do is work with Chip and get to where he can hit from either corner at a semi-consistent clip, and we're set.

Ya, it's so easy which is why James Gist is just lighting it up.

[gospursgojas]

Good thing about the trade: We drafted a young athletic wing who can defend and rebound.

Bad thing about the trade: Pop plans to play him at the 4.

Fear this

[MannyIsGod]

You can say that about ANY player.

Well yeah - but the point is that if he lives up to even modest expectations of what he can achieve we'll be better. Every player also carries the chance of being a complete bust but considering that Hill is redundant on this team the trade has a damn good risk/reward ratio.

[Russo21]

Fuck you RJ. You've fucked the whole franchise you useless overpaid piece of trash

[ShoogarBear]

Maybe the best thing about the trade is it may signal that Pop is through dicking around and going back to first principles.

[Solid D]

Wow, the coveted long 3 that plays D. Da'Sean Butler may be showing signs of sticking... for the Spurs to give up Hill. Plus, I have always liked Lorbek...if that report is true. He is a very skilled and experienced player. I'm on board big-time with this deal!!!

[MannyIsGod]

DPG complains all year about RJ. The Spurs make a trade for someone who can take over RJ's minutes and DPG says RJ will play. SMH.

[ManuTastic]

I like the trade. Hill had stopped improving, and was normally solid but with some truly terrible games at the worst times. Don't know anything about this new guy, but he has some size and apparently some defense in his game, so that works for me.

[NRHector]

fuck you rj. You've fucked the whole franchise you useless overpaid piece of trash+1

[benefactor]

Maybe the best thing about the trade is it may signal that Pop is through dicking around and going back to first principles.
My thoughts completely.

[loveforthegame]

Good news to come home to. Sad to see Hill go but excited about what Leonard can do at the 3.

[MannyIsGod]

Definitely a signal about making defense a priority again. I don't see how anyone could say otherwise.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Maybe the best thing about the trade is it may signal that Pop is through dicking around and going back to first principles.

tru dat mah brotha

[MaNu4Tres]

Well yeah - but the point is that if he lives up to even modest expectations of what he can achieve we'll be better. Every player also carries the chance of being a complete bust but considering that Hill is redundant on this team the trade has a damn good risk/reward ratio.

Manny gets it. :tu

If Spurs weren't so deep at the 2 spot with Neal and Anderson ( who the Spurs both love and who both make relatively nothing) then I could see why some fans are skeptical about this trade.

Hill's production can easily be replaced (Neal and Anderson are that good).

Plus, Spurs weren't going to pay Hill, a back-up combo guard, 6-7 million anyway. Makes no sense to pay him when they have Neal and Anderson for cheap for a few more years and when they have Parker on the new deal.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Everyone bitches if the Spurs do and bitches if the Spurs don't.

I like this. I loved George Hill, but this shows that we're gonna play some freaking D now.

Sam Young v2.0 baby

[ALVAREZ6]

I like the move. Bring in a potential tough minded SF version of Udonis Haslem. Seems like an energetic, solid SF who will play some defense for us. Allows us to have a decent SF right away and ship RJs ass the fuck out of here....we just need someone to fucking take that guy, no matter what we get in return. Free up some salary space.

[Russo21]

Hey ive got an idea. Lets go into next season with Bonner and RJ as our starting PF and SF. Awesome! Here comes the championship baby.

On a serious note. Fuck you RJ. And fuck the F/O for not getting rid of those two shitheads

[ALVAREZ6]

Sam Young v2.0 baby

SF Udonis Haslem


http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/wiretap/photos/2006/Leonard_Kawhi_ncaa_101213.jpg

[ChuckD]

Well, we're on the clock.

[ducks]

lol comerical

[Borosai]

After the season I felt Hill was the guy to move. He's good but inconsistent. Ginobili, Anderson and Neal can handle the SG duties easily.

This is a great deal for the Spurs. Fill a need without creating one.

Backup PG at 29?

[ChuckD]

The bad news: Kahwi can't shoot.

The worse news: Lorbek shoots 37% from long.

:lol

[AFBlue]

How many posters wanted to see the Spurs acquire Gerald Wallace over the past few years? Well...here he is at 1/5th the price.

[MaNu4Tres]

Cory Joseph wow. Bad value pick. Could have drafted him at 42.

[fraga]

Hopefully they'll trade him???

[DPG21920]

DPG complains all year about RJ. The Spurs make a trade for someone who can take over RJ's minutes and DPG says RJ will play. SMH.

When people post things like this it makes me hate them. I'm not the only one who questions this deal. If you have learned anything from watching ball in general it's that you shouldn't be dead set on your opinions so early bc things don't ways go as one would think.

What the fuck does drafting someone who plays the same position as RJ have anything to do with my question or the fact I hate RJ? Me hating RJ has no fucking bearing on the fact hes still on the roster with a massive contract. There were guys who could have played over RJ all year last year as well, so drafting a guy who plays SF does not guarantee that he will play.

[Russo21]

Great a sf who cant shoot, or handle the ball.

RJ Jnr then :lmao

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Who gives a flying fuck about shooting

Did any of you see the team that throttled the Spurs in the first round?

[objective]

who needs shooting when Bonner's spreading the floor?

[DesignatedT]

Cory Joseph wow. Bad value pick. Could have drafted him at 42.

Same was said about George Hill who we just flipped around for a lottery pick and a 2nd rounder.

If the Spurs liked him enough then that's fine.

[Russo21]

Boner and RJ have to go. They just bloody have to go:(

[Russo21]

He is a much better rebounder and can be a very good defender but something tells me he may play the 4 a bunch this year. Vommmmit:bang

true that:bang

[FkLA]

Unless the Spurs move RJ, this guy likely won't have a chance to do anything
Hill was a very good rotation player. I'm not against trading Hill, but why for this?

:tu

Unless yall are ready to rebuild, why in the world are Spur fans celebrating this? Even if this nigga developes into a stud it wont be an immediate thing, and Manu & Tim dont necessarily have enough time left to wait for that.

If youre ready to rebuild then continue your celebration. Although honestly trading a 23 yr old talented player doesnt make much sense either.

[NASpurs]

Hopefully the Spurs will go big this year and not use this guy for small ball or some stupid shit.

[Hoops Czar]

Spurs FO has their heads in a fox hole. Indiana stole Hill for practically nothing. The Spurs can't possibly be done making trades or the Spurs are looking five years down the line and canning the present.

Just pathetic!!!!

[Russo21]

fuck you bonner and RJ. RJ basically single handedly destroyed our franchise.

Shouldn't RJ go to prison for grand larceny? He basically stole 15 million from the spurs last year and then stole 8.4 million this year. And he's going to steal more next season.

If anyone else steals that much $$$ they'll land themselves in prison. Call the fucken cops

[Agloco]

Cory Joseph wow. Bad value pick. Could have drafted him at 42.

I would have liked to see Shelvin Mack myself. I loved his play in the NCAA tournament.

[cheguevara]

Young ron artest? Bowen Jr? :lmao

Lol these r some of d same ppl that said Anderson would be Bowens replacement

[cheguevara]

And lol at ppl saying at least he's better than Rj. 99% of NBA players are

[FkLA]

Spurs FO has their heads in a fox hole. Indiana stole Hill for practically nothing. The Spurs can't possibly be done making trades or the Spurs are looking five years down the line and canning the present.

Just pathetic!!!!

Nope. This ensures that 3-time NBA champion, multiple time All-Star, and Finals MVP Tony Parker stays on the team. This is an absolute steal for the Spurs who cares about the fact that this pretty much signifies that the Spurs have canned the present.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Haha, I knew this trade would get AHF outta the woodworks.

Heck yeah, it gives me a glimmer of hope that we go back to Spurs basketball. Kid can play some D.

[Hoops Czar]

Who gives a flying fuck about shooting

Did any of you see the team that throttled the Spurs in the first round?

Yeah, they got throttled because they didn't have a poor shooting complimentary small forward.

Hill is no gem but they could have gotten more value than a crap shooting undersized hope and pray small forward. A complete joke of a trade.

[ducks]

YOU CAN TEACH SHOOTING
D is harder

[NRHector]

Heck yeah, it gives me a glimmer of hope that we go back to Spurs basketball. Kid can play some D.sorry to rain in your parade but that doesn't mean shit if we still have RJ and Bonner because they have corporate knowledge and Pop will send the rookie to the NBADL or the end of the bench for the next 2 years

[pawe]

fuck you bonner and RJ. RJ basically single handedly destroyed our franchise.

Shouldn't RJ go to prison for grand larceny? He basically stole 15 million from the spurs last year and then stole 8.4 million this year. And he's going to steal more next season.

If anyone else steals that much $$$ they'll land themselves in prison. Call the fucken cops


RJ Jnr then :lmao


Boner and RJ have to go. They just bloody have to go:(


Fuck you RJ. You've fucked the whole franchise you useless overpaid piece of trash


Hey ive got an idea. Lets go into next season with Bonner and RJ as our starting PF and SF. Awesome! Here comes the championship baby.

On a serious note. Fuck you RJ. And fuck the F/O for not getting rid of those two shitheads


OK!!! we get it now, you hate RJ.
Shut the fuck up already you weirdo!

[Supergirl]

I hope Kawhi is good, cuz right now I'm bummed about losing Hill. He was one of my favorite players. And one of our most talented with a lot of upside. And if we traded for this Kawhi because he's good defensively, why did we trade Hill, who is arguably our best wing defender?

[ogait]

:tu

Unless yall are ready to rebuild, why in the world are Spur fans celebrating this? Even if this nigga developes into a stud it wont be an immediate thing, and Manu & Tim dont necessarily have enough time left to wait for that.

If youre ready to rebuild then continue your celebration. Although honestly trading a 23 yr old talented player doesnt make much sense either.

I'm actually surprised how consensual this trade is for most Spurs fans.

Spurs aren't rebuilding because their trading away their best young player and are keeping their veterans core.

They're also not improving for next year. They get a rookie who can't shoot, and even if he's a decent defender he will certainly not be able to guard at NBA level in his first year, and yet we have people proclaiming him as Bruce Bowen Jr.

If there was a thing the Spurs lacked was someone outside the big 3 who could perform in the playoffs. Hill was the only guy, now we have no one.

Basically the Spurs don't improve for next year, but also don't make a move for rebuilding.

[Russo21]

OK!!! we get it now, you hate RJ.
Shut the fuck up already you weirdo!

First amendment says i can say whatever the fuck i want to say. And i am just reiterating what others in here are thinking. So shut the fuck up already you weirdo

[gameFACE]

Good trade. This pick won't see much past summer league and camp. It's really De'Sean Butler who could be the diamond in the rough if he comes back. Now if they could only unload RJ for a big.

[SpurCharger]

I live In San Diego, And I got Alot of Opportunity To See Kahwi Leonard Play...... He Is A Good Talent, Great Athletism, He has Huge Hands, a Good Wingspan, Plays Great defense(better then RJ OR Ghill), In College He was able to guard anyone from the point to the power forward.... He Is not A superstar.... But He will Be A solid Player in the NBA for along time....

[Supergirl]

Upon second thought, SF has been a weakness for us ever since Bowen left - and one could argue, even before, since Bowen was often a weakness offensively - and back up PGs are a lot easier to come by.

If Kawhi turns out to be what he is rumored to be - solid defensively with some size for a SF, and coachable to improve his offense - then this will be OK. Even though I'm sad to see Hill go.

If Kawhi can adjust quickly - which some scouting reports suggest he may be able to - we will have a very young, athletic starting line up, even post Manu and Tim.

PG Parker
SG Neal
SF Kawhi
PF Blair
C Splitter

[FkLA]

I'm actually surprised how consensual this trade is for most Spurs fans.

Spurs aren't rebuilding because their trading away their best young player and are keeping their veterans core.

They're also not improving for next year. They get a rookie who can't shoot, and even if he's a decent defender he will certainly not be able to guard at NBA level in his first year, and yet we have people proclaiming him as Bruce Bowen Jr.

If there was a thing the Spurs lacked was someone outside the big 3 who could perform in the playoffs. Hill was the only guy, now we have no one.

Basically the Spurs don't improve for next year, but also don't make a move for rebuilding.

Nicely put.

Im not too surprised by the consensus though, most of them are so enamored with Parker theyre just glad this ensures he isnt going anywhere. For alot of Spur fans its the player before the team it seems.

[Fabbs]

I live In San Diego, And I got Alot of Opportunity To See Kahwi Leonard Play...... He Is A Good Talent, Great Athletism, He has Huge Hands, a Good Wingspan, Plays Great defense(better then RJ OR Ghill), In College He was able to guard anyone from the point to the power forward.... He Is not A superstar.... But He will Be A solid Player in the NBA for along time....
When it counted in the tournament:
Moved like a snail, cement feet, ballhog (many bricks and worse very ill advised shots at that), pouter, easily duped into a stupid costly tech vs UConn. Looked like he was reefed up.

Please tell me he had some uncharacteristic games.
The guy the Lakers got from SDSU looked wayy more impressive.

[Hoops Czar]

Nope. This ensures that 3-time NBA champion, multiple time All-Star, and Finals MVP Tony Parker stays on the team. This is an absolute steal for the Spurs who cares about the fact that this pretty much signifies that the Spurs have canned the present.

A contradiction right there. Leonard isn't going to supply instant stability at the small forward position. Hell, he isn't even going to see the court his first few seasons. Parker is as good as gone when Duncan retires which could come as soon as next season. They traded away a starting SG, who even with his ups and downs, was the one and only valuable trade chip the Spurs had at their disposal who could have brought in proven talent. They pissed it all away on a future maybe, a future shawn Marion :lmao best case scenario. Shawn Marion BLOWS!!!

[Russo21]

They really should have traded tony instead of george hill for kahwi leonard. we would have saved heaps of cash and kept george as our starting PG: when parker was injured last year and hill started we beat the mavs in the playoffs. But parker earns like 13 million dollars more.

[easjer]

First amendment says i can say whatever the fuck i want to say. And i am just reiterating what others in here are thinking. So shut the fuck up already you weirdo

The pinnacle of all debates, citing first amendment rights. :rolleyes

You are re-iterating your own views, certainly. At length. Repetitively.

The point has been made. While you certainly are allowed to continue posting, perhaps you could move on for the sake of inspiring or contributing to actual relevant discussion.

-o0o-

Regarding the trade, I am sad to see Hill go, but it sounds like a great situation for him in Indy. More importantly than that though, it sounds like the best possible outcome for the Spurs - a defensive 3 with upside, rights to a solid Euro and an extra pick, without creating a hole. Awesome, can't wait to see how the kid pans out.

[ashbeeigh]

I'm not reading all 6 pages of this...all I have to say is "nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!"

[Obstructed_View]

They really should have traded tony instead of george hill for kahwi leonard. we would have saved heaps of cash and kept george as our starting PG: when parker was injured last year and hill started we beat the mavs in the playoffs. But parker earns like 13 million dollars more.

:vomit:

[anakha]

Nicely put.

Im not too surprised by the consensus though, most of them are so enamored with Parker theyre just glad this ensures he isnt going anywhere. For alot of Spur fans its the player before the team it seems.

I take it you weren't around in the Church of Manu days, eh?

[Supergirl]

Hill is not starting PG material. He's a decent PG, but he can't play PG all the time. Just because he had a couple good games when Parker was out doesn't change that fact. There have been many times when Hill was on the floor and Parker was out, and Manu was the one running point. I'm not saying Hill won't be missed - he will be. But Parker would be missed even more.

[Russo21]

But is Parker 13 million dollars better then George Hill?

[SpurCharger]

When it counted in the tournament:
Moved like a snail, cement feet, ballhog (many bricks and worse very ill advised shots at that), pouter, easily duped into a stupid costly tech vs UConn. Looked like he was reefed up.

Please tell me he had some uncharacteristic games.
The guy the Lakers got from SDSU looked wayy more impressive.
He had one Bad Game in the tourney.... He Had A off night against the College Champs.... it Happens.... I think he will make Spurs fans Happy..... He is Actually A good character guy, well spoken, And A hard worker.

[benefactor]

I think we are also forgetting that this guy averaged over 10 boards per game.

Defense. Rebounding. Yes please.

[Hoops Czar]

Hill is not starting PG material. He's a decent PG, but he can't play PG all the time. Just because he had a couple good games when Parker was out doesn't change that fact. There have been many times when Hill was on the floor and Parker was out, and Manu was the one running point. I'm not saying Hill won't be missed - he will be. But Parker would be missed even more.

Hill will only be missed because he isn't being replaced. I'm not sorry Hill is gone. I'm just sorry it was for a bullshit player.

[Hoops Czar]

I think we are also forgetting that this guy averaged over 10 boards per game.

Defense. Rebounding. Yes please.

Which will come in handy with all the clanks.

[benefactor]

Which will come in handy with all the clanks.
Spurs have plenty of shooters...or would you rather just run and gun again like last year and get axed in the first round again?

[Doe]

Going to miss Hill even though he was a love/hate player for me. Hope he blossoms in Indiana. Don't know a thing about any of these players, but with RC's track record I certainly can't question them

[JR3]

I'm actually surprised how consensual this trade is for most Spurs fans.

Spurs aren't rebuilding because their trading away their best young player and are keeping their veterans core.

They're also not improving for next year. They get a rookie who can't shoot, and even if he's a decent defender he will certainly not be able to guard at NBA level in his first year, and yet we have people proclaiming him as Bruce Bowen Jr.

If there was a thing the Spurs lacked was someone outside the big 3 who could perform in the playoffs. Hill was the only guy, now we have no one.

Basically the Spurs don't improve for next year, but also don't make a move for rebuilding.
I disagree.. Hill has not had any balls in the playoffs... its the one reason I am not sad to see him go. I liked him, but he was too inconsistent. He was a late pick and we just got a lottery pick and second rounder plus for him. Not a bad trade at all. Time will tell more, but its hard to call that a bad trade.

[NRHector]

Which will come in handy with all the clanks.:lol especially if Bonner is shooting

[Russo21]

:lol especially if Bonner is shooting
:lmao

[NRHector]

I disagree.. Hill has not had any balls in the playoffs... its the one reason I am not sad to see him go. I liked him, but he was too inconsistent. He was a late pick and we just got a lottery pick and second rounder plus for him. Not a bad trade at all. Time will tell more, but its hard to call that a bad trade.

really? RJ and Bonner have some?

[ducks]

But is Parker 13 million dollars better then George Hill?

hill is wanting a big contract next year
trading him for something is better then letting him walk for nothing

[Hoops Czar]

Spurs have plenty of shooters...or would you rather just run and gun again like last year and get axed in the first round again?

Yeah, shooters that die in the clutch. Leonard won't see the court during the regular season let alone the playoffs. By the time he sees the court regularly, you won't have to worry about getting bounced in the first round. The Spurs will be playing the role of spoilers.

[pawe]

They really should have traded tony instead of george hill for kahwi leonard. we would have saved heaps of cash and kept george as our starting PG: when parker was injured last year and hill started we beat the mavs in the playoffs. But parker earns like 13 million dollars more.


But is Parker 13 million dollars better then George Hill?

sigh these GNSFs....

You want the FO to trade TP, a vet pg who knows the spurs' system like the back of his hand just for draft picks?
TP can be a cornerstone for a franchise and a finals MVP, Hill is not. Hill is not even a PG. TP deserves his money whether he's trade bait or not.

[Russo21]

Not a 13 million dollar contract though ducks

[benefactor]

He might not...but I don't see the Spurs as contenders anymore anyway. Hill was expendable because his rookie deal was going to run out and the Spurs needed to trade him while his value was high. It's a risk, but a risk in the right direction IMO.

[FkLA]

I disagree.. Hill has not had any balls in the playoffs... its the one reason I am not sad to see him go. I liked him, but he was too inconsistent. He was a late pick and we just got a lottery pick and second rounder plus for him. Not a bad trade at all. Time will tell more, but its hard to call that a bad trade.

Your missing his point entirely.



TP can be a cornerstone for a franchise and a finals MVP, Hill is not. Hill is not even a PG. TP deserves his money whether he's trade bait or not.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Kori Ellis]

Nicely put.

Im not too surprised by the consensus though, most of them are so enamored with Parker theyre just glad this ensures he isnt going anywhere. For alot of Spur fans its the player before the team it seems.

Maybe it's not that. Maybe most people (including Spurs brass) actually think that Parker is a far better option than Hill as a starting point guard. You, TJastal, etc were so dead sure that the Spurs were grooming Hill as the starting PG when they weren't. They gave up that idea awhile ago when Hill wasn't showing the type of improvement that they wanted. They didn't write off Parker after one bad playoff series. The Spurs weren't shopping Parker this week. Teams were approaching them about Parker, and they were basically saying that they weren't dealing Parker (or Manu) unless it was an amazing deal that also got rid of RJ.

Hill wasn't worth keeping around for the Spurs because they weren't going to pay him to be the backup SG next year. He will probably flourish in Indy. Good luck to him.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Maybe it's not that. Maybe most people (including Spurs brass) actually think that Parker is a far better option than Hill as a starting point guard. You, TJastal, etc were so dead sure that the Spurs were grooming Hill as the starting PG when they weren't. They gave up that idea awhile ago when Hill wasn't showing the type of improvement that they wanted. They didn't write off Parker after one bad playoff series. The Spurs weren't shopping Parker this week. Teams were approaching them about Parker, and they were basically saying that they weren't dealing Parker (or Manu) unless it was an amazing deal that also got rid of RJ.

Hill wasn't worth keeping around for the Spurs because they weren't going to pay him to be the backup SG next year. He will probably flourish in Indy. Good luck to him.

:toast, +1

[Russo21]

Pawe you can say that cause it isn't your money being spent. Peter Holt is one of the 'poorest' owners in the NBA.

And no i wasnt saying i wanted them to trade TP for picks at all. A big or a good SF maybe. I didnt say i wanted him gone for picks at all

[JsnSA]

I like George Hill. I really do. But I felt he was very inconsistent last year. He never seemed to play well on the road and most of the season he was just kind of there. He never had the breakout season that most of us expected from him.

From what I saw last year there is no way he is ready to replace Tony as our starting PG. I really think this trade will benefit both the Spurs and George. I am not sure why he was so average this season but I get the feeling that on the Pacers he will have more of an opportunity to step up and help lead the team. And with Kawhi Leonard we will get some added defensive play that is much needed on this team.

My only concern is that Kawhi will actually show some promise next season yet Pop will refuse to play him for some reason only he can fathom.

[anakha]

Finally, some sanity in this thread.

[ElNono]

Yeah, shooters that die in the clutch. Leonard won't see the court during the regular season let alone the playoffs. By the time he sees the court regularly, you won't have to worry about getting bounced in the first round. The Spurs will be playing the role of spoilers.

Step back from the ledge. This was a weak draft, and all things considered the Spurs did pretty good. At least they have a couple of prospects they can work on that value playing defense. The Spurs might not contend next season, but having Hill or not doesn't change that. We were loaded at the 2 spot, and very thin at SF. This trade allows the team to gain some balance, get younger and get a couple of defensive-minded players. Plus there was a real chance that Hill could've walked out for nothing after next season.

[Hoops Czar]

He might not...but I don't see the Spurs as contenders anymore anyway. Hill was expendable because his rookie deal was going to run out and the Spurs needed to trade him while his value was high. It's a risk, but a risk in the right direction IMO.

Which is my point. Hill had value and their was no need to rush into a trade now when he could have been shipped at the deadline for proven talent. This was a waste of a trade and now the Spurs have no way to improve the team going forward.

[benefactor]

lol Spurfan. You want a long, defensive-minded SF for years and when they roll the dice on one all you can do is nitpick.

[ElNono]

Which is my point. Hill had value and their was no need to rush into a trade now when he could have been shipped at the deadline for proven talent. This was a waste of a trade and now the Spurs have no way to improve the team going forward.

What proven talent are you getting for $2m???

[benefactor]

Which is my point. Hill had value and their was no need to rush into a trade now when he could have been shipped at the deadline for proven talent. This was a waste of a trade and now the Spurs have no way to improve the team going forward.
That value could have decreased by the deadline too.

As I said, it's a calculated risk...one I am comfortable with if it means getting better defensively.

[ducks]

Not a 13 million dollar contract though ducks

parker has a good contract

[pgardn]

Ginobili is a better PG than Hill. We shorten our rotation with Neal being the 3rd guard. Hill CANNOT handle any sort of pressure with the ball. Hill plays good D when his head is right but he also makes some horrible mistakes rotating and losing focus.

Personally glad Parker remains.

[ElNono]

Personally glad Parker remains.

I don't think Parker is off the hook yet if some team comes around and is willing to eat RJ's contract to get him. The thing is, the prospect of that happening seems fairly low at the moment.

[jjktkk]

Which is my point. Hill had value and their was no need to rush into a trade now when he could have been shipped at the deadline for proven talent. This was a waste of a trade and now the Spurs have no way to improve the team going forward.

Like what proven talent? Your overvaluing Hill.

[carina_gino20]

I was hoping things would work out for Hill in SA. But after last season, seeing him still inconsistent, especially on the road, I had a feeling he has met his ceiling in SA. I hope he flourishes in Indiana and plays well, just not when he's playing us. :lol

[Russo21]

jjktkk: wicked vid of timmeh blocking bynum!! That was awesome live i nearly jumped out of my seat with that play lol

[Drewlius]

Absolutely love this trade. There was no way we could have shipped out Tony unless we got another star big man in return. Sadly, almost every trade possibility I saw was for another decent PG, and random pieces, it just wasn't going to be worth it. Hill also was simply not going to be able to be a starting point guard on this team. The only valid reason to trade a pg like Tony would have been to get a very solid big man, and go back to getting a nonathletic pg who could just simply run the offense. I love that we picked up this freak of nature, and the upside seems very, very good.

[DesignatedT]

Also gives Anderson a chance to play his natural position more (2) and then leaves Kawhi as the 3.

[ogait]

I disagree.. Hill has not had any balls in the playoffs... its the one reason I am not sad to see him go. I liked him, but he was too inconsistent. He was a late pick and we just got a lottery pick and second rounder plus for him. Not a bad trade at all. Time will tell more, but its hard to call that a bad trade.

I'm not a Hill homer by any means but going back to the last playoff round victory the Spurs had he was the one who stepped up aside from the big 3 and made the team win.

What bothers me about the trade is that he doesn't lead us to nowhere. It doesn't indicate rebuilding and it also doesn't make us better for the near future.

I didn't want TP traded for a bag of peanuts like many here, but in my view it was either break the big 3 and go for rebuilding now or keep the best players and go for one last try. They didn't did the first one and while the second it's still theoretically possible it just got a lot harder after dealing their best player outside the big 3.

[FkLA]

Maybe it's not that. Maybe most people (including Spurs brass) actually think that Parker is a far better option than Hill as a starting point guard. You, TJastal, etc were so dead sure that the Spurs were grooming Hill as the starting PG when they weren't. They gave up that idea awhile ago when Hill wasn't showing the type of improvement that they wanted. They didn't write off Parker after one bad playoff series. The Spurs weren't shopping Parker this week. Teams were approaching them about Parker, and they were basically saying that they weren't dealing Parker (or Manu) unless it was an amazing deal that also got rid of RJ.

Hill wasn't worth keeping around for the Spurs because they weren't going to pay him to be the backup SG next year. He will probably flourish in Indy. Good luck to him.

I never said Hill was a better PG than Parker. I said Hill was more than capable of taking over the reins, and that the Spurs performance didnt suffer much when Parker was injured and he started. The notion that the Spurs as a team would be a disaster with Hill running the point had no basis from the sample size we had.

Parker had enough value to net us a player that might make an immediate impact and give us one last run next year. Hill didnt have that value, which is why we ended up with a player who might turn out to be good...but likely wont have much of an impact his rookie season. The only way you celebrate this trade is if youre ready to rebuild. I wasnt ready to so Im disgusted by it.

[pawe]

Pawe you can say that cause it isn't your money being spent. Peter Holt is one of the 'poorest' owners in the NBA.

And no i wasnt saying i wanted them to trade TP for picks at all. A big or a good SF maybe. I didnt say i wanted him gone for picks at all

Listen, Im glad you do know this is a business. And since this is a business, the FO will not trade TP/Manu if the other team is not willing to absorb RJ's contract too.

What are they trying to accomplish by trading just TP without the poor performing highly paid RJ tagging along, right?

[Fingaroll44]

So far i like the deal...i will hold back final judgement until i see him with my own eyes on the court...some are concerned w/his lack of shooting ability but that can be improved with hard work. I have been wanting a player similar to Ginobili and this is why i like the deal. By similar i mean he has a motor that runs constantly. He can't shoot but he can defend, handle the rock and finish around the basket w/ a 7 footers wingspan...An opposing coach said he is a special player simply because you rarely see a motor that high strung in guys w/his size and athleticism...its usually seen only in little guards (JJ Barea)...it may sound silly but i became very optimistic when i read this because that sounds like a game changer to me...energy....constant, relentless energy. I'll keep my fingers crossed

[Hoops Czar]

What proven talent are you getting for $2m???

I was all in on Hill and Blair for Love. It might have been more costly, but it gives them an inside presence when Duncan retires after this season.

Who knows what would have opened up at this years deadline.

[pgardn]

I don't think Parker is off the hook yet if some team comes around and is willing to eat RJ's contract to get him. The thing is, the prospect of that happening seems fairly low at the moment.

Hopefully off the hook for a bad draft choice though.

[Spurtacus]

I look at it this way. Hill for Leonard/Joseph. I'm flipping Bertans for Joseph since I think Spurs chose to gamble that way after having the extra pick. A great trade especially since Hill likely would have been gone after next season.

[JsnSA]

I really don't see how some people are so sure we won't contend next season. As long as Manu's play does not drop off drastically (which is a possibility due to age/injury) I think we have a very good shot.

Tony will be just as good and hopefully will have a chip on his shoulder due to the All-Star snub and poor playoff performance. Splitter will have a camp under his belt and will be better integrated into the Spurs system. Splitter will be better. Neil will be better. Blair hopefully will be better? That might go either way. But at the very least he should be as good as he has been. Anderson should get some run as well. Tim will lose another step but he will still be a sold big man though not the Tim Duncan we are used to.

I really didn't feel like Hill did anything last year to make me think the Spurs will be hurting without him next year. Considering we had the best record in the west last season I see no reason whey we would not end up among the top half of the western bracket this time.

I just want to see us play RJ and Bonner more then if they go on any sort of hot streak (Bonner does every year) we should trade them for whatever the hell we can get. Anything..just to get rid of them.

[Supergirl]

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2011-06-23/breaking-down-the-winners-and-losing-of-the-2011-nba-draft

Ouch. They didn't even review anyone other than the Bobcats and the Cavs, yet bother to lob an opinion on the Spurs.

Spurs FO has proven the naysayers wrong more than the naysayers have proved the Spurs FO wrong. So I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.

[Russo21]

Listen, Im glad you do know this is a business. And since this is a business, the FO will not trade TP/Manu if the other team is not willing to absorb RJ's contract too.

What are they trying to accomplish by trading just TP without the poor performing highly paid RJ tagging along, right?

True that. There is no point trading tony without RJ included. I can't remember who the trade was for... But i woke up this morning and read that some other team rejected a parker trade because the spurs insisted on RJ being included in the deal:bang

[ElNono]

I was all in on Hill and Blair for Love.

You're just trolling, right?

[Drewlius]

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2011-06-23/breaking-down-the-winners-and-losing-of-the-2011-nba-draft

Ouch. They didn't even review anyone other than the Bobcats and the Cavs, yet bother to lob an opinion on the Spurs.

Spurs FO has proven the naysayers wrong more than the naysayers have proved the Spurs FO wrong. So I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Awful article, "cap-friendly" George Hill? This guy has no idea what he's talking about.

[Mugen]

good trade for Indy as well. I'd continue to explore what i'd get for Granger and you got a nice young team that can do some damage in the East

Collison
Hill
Granger/George
Hansborough
Hibbert

they're better than they were last year and they were an 8th seed....

[Russo21]

think it was spurs and blazers

parker, RJ and #29
for
Batum, Miller and #21

But RJ's contract screwed that deal over

(which is crap cause the blazers owner is a freakin mega billionaire)

[DPG21920]

It's a combo of not seeing a true direction from the front office right now along with people liking Hill personally.

[DPG21920]

Also, RJs shit is still on this roster as well so that sucks.

[SpursFanFirst]

Glad for Hill. He gets to go home and gets to be a big part of an up-and-coming team that has a bright future.

I agree. If I can't watch him with the Spurs, then I'm glad he's back here in Indy.

[ElNono]

I really don't see how some people are so sure we won't contend next season. As long as Manu's play does not drop off drastically (which is a possibility due to age/injury) I think we have a very good shot.

Tony will be just as good and hopefully will have a chip on his shoulder due to the All-Star snub and poor playoff performance. Splitter will have a camp under his belt and will be better integrated into the Spurs system. Splitter will be better. Neil will be better. Blair hopefully will be better? That might go either way. But at the very least he should be as good as he has been. Anderson should get some run as well. Tim will lose another step but he will still be a sold big man though not the Tim Duncan we are used to.

I really didn't feel like Hill did anything last year to make me think the Spurs will be hurting without him next year. Considering we had the best record in the west last season I see no reason whey we would not end up among the top half of the western bracket this time.

I just want to see us play RJ and Bonner more then if they go on any sort of hot streak (Bonner does every year) we should trade them for whatever the hell we can get. Anything..just to get rid of them.

We need to get bigger inside. Every indication is that Pop won't play TD and Splitter together. That means we're going to be rolling out with TD/Blair (or Bonner) and Splitter/Bonner (or Blair).
On the perimeter, I expect RJ to get the bulk of the minutes at SF. Leonard might be his backup (if he doesn't miss training camp :rolleyes).

IMO, in order to have a shot the Spurs need at least to improve in two areas: First, one of Bonner or Blair has to go and we need a guy with size coming in. I still think the Spurs can make a move with one of those two and Dice's contract and pull it off. Second, we need to find a way to move Richard. Even if we get an older guy on a relatively shit contract, and we need to send money and some 2nd round picks to get it done. Richard just doesn't fit. Everybody knows he doesn't fit here. You bring somebody else and there's the odd chance that he might find a niche or be able to help somehow. Keeping RJ is accepting we're dead in the water there. It helps to have Leonard in that he should have a legitimate opportunity to develop playing the backup minutes, plus you don't sacrifice size or having to play somebody else out of position.

[ChumpDumper]

It's a combo of not seeing a true direction from the front office right now along with people liking Hill personally.You don't think the Spurs could use a player like Leonard?

[jjktkk]

It's a combo of not seeing a true direction from the front office right now along with people liking Hill personally.

The direction is trying to contend, while also getting younger. Theres still free agency, so I'm sure we won't see the finished product till November.

[Russo21]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6e3t4qf

something like that woulda been nice. jefferson would thrive playing alongside chris paul in new orleans.

Spurs perimeter defense would have been light years better then it was this passed year

[Hoops Czar]

You're just trolling, right?


Disfrute de la temporada última de Duncan y tome muchas fotografías. Ellos último más largo. Adivino que perderán a dos jugadores (Hill + Parker) en vez de uno porque Parker es ido por fin de temporadas.

[DPG21920]

You don't think the Spurs could use a player like Leonard?

Not sure, don't know enough about him. In theory, yes, but what does it mean "use a player like ...". Losing Hill and getting doesnt really help the spurs contend next year and doesnt quicken the rebuilding process either. I also know that RJ is not going to be glued to the bench with that contract, so how much use can/will you get from Leonard?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6e3t4qf

something like that woulda been nice. jefferson would thrive playing alongside chris paul in new orleans.

Spurs perimeter defense would have been light years better then it was this passed year

The Grizz would never ever agree to that.

[DPG21920]

.

[Spurtacus]

Also, RJs shit is still on this roster as well so that sucks.

Hopefully for not much longer whenever the new CBA is agreed upon.

[DPG21920]

We also know hill is a legit NBA player. Does no one have any concerns about Leonard?

[ElNono]

Not sure, don't know enough about him. In theory, yes, but what does it mean "use a player like ...". Losing Hill and getting doesnt really help the spurs contend next year and doesnt quicken the rebuilding process either. I also know that RJ is not going to be glued to the bench with that contract, so how much use can/will you get from Leonard?

Keeping Hill wouldn't have really helped the Spurs contend next year either. I didn't think the Spurs would make their best improvements through the draft seeing this class was fairly weak, and that the Spurs wouldn't be able to pick in the top 3. Improvement is going to have to come from a trade in the offseason after the new CBA is in place.

[kobyz]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=62jre8l

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=69fzqnw

[jjktkk]

We also know hill is a legit NBA player. Does no one have any concerns about Leonard?

Hill's departure measns more more oppotunities for Neal, and Anderson.

[ElNono]

We also know hill is a legit NBA player. Does no one have any concerns about Leonard?

They play different positions. We know the guy that is going to take the bulk of Hill minutes is a legit NBA player (Neal). So we took a gamble on SF where we were depleted anyways.

[ChumpDumper]

Not sure, don't know enough about him. In theory, yes, but what does it mean "use a player like ...". Losing Hill and getting doesnt really help the spurs contend next year and doesnt quicken the rebuilding process either. I also know that RJ is not going to be glued to the bench with that contract, so how much use can/will you get from Leonard?OK, so you have no idea what's going on.

I respect your candor.

[ALVAREZ6]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6e3t4qf

something like that woulda been nice. jefferson would thrive playing alongside chris paul in new orleans.

Spurs perimeter defense would have been light years better then it was this passed year

That trade honestly only benefits the Spurs. The other two teams, not so much.

[DPG21920]

Do you, Chump? What are the Spurs plans? How good will Leonard be compared to Hill.

[VI_Massive]

I'm fairly happy with this move. I think Leonard could be a very good player and just the kind of physical, defense and rebounding 3 the Spurs need. Hollinger's draft stat rated him very high, and Hollinger's numbers are usually very good. I think he can become a better shooter, as many players have, especially after working with Chip Engelland.

My biggest concern is the stuff I've read about him not having the lateral quickness to guard small forwards and being kind of a "tweener" between the 3 and 4 positions. If he can't guard on the perimeter I fear he would struggle greatly. This also makes me worry Pop would play him too much as a 4. We know Pop likes to go small and maybe this guy supposedly being a great rebounder for his size would invite that approach. I hope not.

[Hoops Czar]

We also know hill is a legit NBA player. Does no one have any concerns about Leonard?

Not the Spurs FO. They never make bad trades.

[DMX7]

The Spurs organization has never ever made a mistake. Book it!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ChumpDumper]

Do you, Chump? What are the Spurs plans? How good will Leonard be compared to Hill.I think they play different positions.

Do you think they play the same position?

[elemento]

The Spurs organization has never ever made a mistake. Book it!!!!!!!!!!!!
Scola says hi

39m Dick Jefferson also says hi

[ChumpDumper]

This is insane. Why draft anyone if you are afraid you aren't sure how they will play?

Did you immediately question the Hill pick this way?

[DesignatedT]

I'll always love Ghill but I'm not too concerned about losing him, especially when we have guys like Neal and Anderson in the fold. Also excited about maybe getting a true backup PG instead of watching Hill attempt to play the position. I think Anderson and Neal can definitely bring what George did offensively and defensively he was vastly overrated and Kawhi will be an excellent defender.

[DPG21920]

Keeping Hill wouldn't have really helped the Spurs contend next year either. I didn't think the Spurs would make their best improvements through the draft seeing this class was fairly weak, and that the Spurs wouldn't be able to pick in the top 3. Improvement is going to have to come from a trade in the offseason after the new CBA is in place.

Agreed on the trades, but as of right now, the Spurs seem closer to going backwards than forwards with this Hill deal with regards to contending. Whether there's others to step up or not, spurs gave a known NBA talent up for a questionable one.

I'm not saying that's bad, just pointing out the reality of that particular situation.


Hill's departure measns more more oppotunities for Neal, and Anderson.

That doesn't really answer my question though.


They play different positions. We know the guy that is going to take the bulk of Hill minutes is a legit NBA player (Neal). So we took a gamble on SF where we were depleted anyways.

[DPG21920]

I think they play different positions.

Do you think they play the same position?

Answer my questions and I'll answer yours.

[thekingrobert]

Assholes here scoffed at me when I said I wanted Mario Chalmers in that draft. So much for Hill being the future pg.
Chalmers avg 6 points a game and 7.4 in 28 starts he is trash, I live in Miami believe me.

[ALVAREZ6]

lol Spurfan. You want a long, defensive-minded SF for years and when they roll the dice on one all you can do is nitpick.

lol so true

I'm really hyped about Leonard, I think he has what it takes to become a solid role player in this league. He's a long (wingspan longer than Bynum's), athletic defensive-minded SF who seems like he has the right attitude. He likes to bang in the paint, and his high energy, length, and decent athleticism really helps him for that. He doesn't have a very good shot, but interviews show he's been working on his jumper all summer long, every day. He will only continue to improve in that area throughout the rest of summer and hopefully Chip can help him some as well. Even if he doesn't improve his jumper significantly, he still has many qualities that translate to the NBA game: defense, rebounding, length, work rate/effort. So what if he doesn't have the best offense, that isn't our biggest priority right now. I like the kid's attitude, we got a good prospect in Leonard.

[silverblackfan]

So it sounds like my Hill jersey is a collectors item, but I like this trade. Let RJ feel some heat at his position if he doesn't play defense like Pop is paying him to.

[DPG21920]

This is insane. Why draft anyone if you are afraid you aren't sure how they will play?

Did you immediately question the Hill pick this way?

That doesn't make sense and is not at all what I meant. Did the Spurs give up a proven player in a trade to get Hill?

The point is this move, at this point, caused the Spurs to go backwards from a contending standpoint and didn't do anything to improve rebuilding efforts.

Do you understand that particular aspect?

[ChumpDumper]

Do you, Chump?Not in their entirety. Have you ever known their plans in their entirety?
What are the Spurs plans?This draft? Probably to play Leonard and Joseph and leave the Euros in Europe. Is it that difficult for you to figure out?
How good will Leonard be compared to Hill.I think they play different positions. Do you think they play the same position?

[ChumpDumper]

That doesn't make sense and is not at all what I meant. Did the Spurs give up a proven player in a trade to get Hill?

The point is this move, at this point, caused the Spurs to go backwards from a contending standpoint and didn't do anything to improve rebuilding efforts.

Do you understand that particular aspect?I understand you want to put the trade in the worst possible light possible. That's OK.

[DPG21920]

So you don't know their plans either. I appreciate your honesty as well.

[DPG21920]

Link?

[DPG21920]

I understand you want to take what I said and not understand it just like you don't understand the Spurs plans and put it in the worst light possible. For what reasons I don't know however.

[HankChinaski]

Honestly, i'm surprised by people getting upset with the trade of Hill. We had way too many combo guards getting minutes in the rotation as is. If anything he potential helps fill a need with Leonard taking minutes at the 3. Not to mention potentially more minutes for someone like Anderson and Neal. With Danny Green and DaSean Butler also walking into training camp with Joseph as well i'm already a bit excited to see the season start with the spurs.

Not to mention we haven't even gotten in the off season signings and trades further yet. They may not do anything spectacular with signings or trades on further but they did a bang up job drafting tonight I think with level of talent in the draft.

[ChumpDumper]

Link?Link to your not understanding and trying to shit on the trade?

Last page.

[Spurtacus]

That doesn't make sense and is not at all what I meant. Did the Spurs give up a proven player in a trade to get Hill?

The point is this move, at this point, caused the Spurs to go backwards from a contending standpoint and didn't do anything to improve rebuilding efforts.

Do you understand that particular aspect?

Hill was horseshit in the playoffs. How does a backup regular season PG help our team win. I think getting Leonard/Joseph is much better prospect for next season and beyond then having Hill. I don't believe we went backwards with the trade.

[Hoops Czar]

That doesn't make sense and is not at all what I meant. Did the Spurs give up a proven player in a trade to get Hill?

The point is this move, at this point, caused the Spurs to go backwards from a contending standpoint and didn't do anything to improve rebuilding efforts.

Do you understand that particular aspect?

You know they didn't. How can you be proven if you haven't played an NBA minute. This was a bogus trade, which some think was in an effort to prolong Parker's stay of execution. Parker's gone in the next offseason when Duncan retires and you lose two proven talents instead of one.

Although, I could be all wrong. This could be the beginning stages to lure Dwight Howard over from the Magic for Bonner and Splitter.

[Hoops Czar]

Hill was horseshit in the playoffs. How does a backup regular season PG help our team win. I think getting Leonard/Joseph is much better prospect for next season and beyond then having Hill. I don't believe we went backwards with the trade.

I'm setting the over/under for Leonard's playing time next season at :30 sec/game. How does that help the Spurs next season? How does Hill's play in one playoff series against the Grizz where no Spur played up to expectations have to do with anything?

[ElNono]

Agreed on the trades, but as of right now, the Spurs seem closer to going backwards than forwards with this Hill deal with regards to contending. Whether there's others to step up or not, spurs gave a known NBA talent up for a questionable one.

A trade doesn't always have to be player A is replacing player B. We're shipping Hill because out of the bunch of 2 guards we had that were expendable (Hill/Neal/Anderson), Hill was the one that would bring back more value in return. So we used that value to relax the logjam at the 2 and shore up a bit the very thin 3 position.

IMO, the backcourt rotation right now most likely would be: Tony/Neal start, Manu/Anderson backup. If Anderson is not really cutting it, you could play Corey/Manu as backup for small stretches, and we're likely to close games with Tony/Manu. I only see Corey playing if Manu/Tony need some extended rest or somebody is hurt.

I think that's still as good a backcourt rotation as any that included Hill. It might be a bit weaker on defense, but you also don't get a ball stopper in Hill.

The difference now though is at the 3. Richard will likely get the bulk of the minutes, but when he sits down we can actually play a legit SF instead of having to trot another guard out there. It's not going to be for a lot of minutes, but it allow our other players to play in the positions they play best at. You're also bringing somebody that seemingly can contribute without needing to get touches on the ball.

As I indicated above, Spurs still need to retool further if they want to be contenders. This move doesn't get them closer. I don't think it takes them farther either. They basically got seemingly better than D-League talent and more financial flexibility. There's just more work to do in the offseason.

[Hoops Czar]

A trade doesn't always have to be player A is replacing player B. We're shipping Hill because out of the bunch of 2 guards we had that were expendable (Hill/Neal/Anderson), Hill was the one that would bring back more value in return. So we used that value to relax the logjam at the 2 and shore up a bit the very thin 3 position.

IMO, the backcourt rotation right now most likely would be: Tony/Neal start, Manu/Anderson backup. If Anderson is not really cutting it, you could play Corey/Manu as backup for small stretches, and we're likely to close games with Tony/Manu. I only see Corey playing if Manu/Tony need some extended rest or somebody is hurt.

I think that's still as good a backcourt rotation as any that included Hill. It might be a bit weaker on defense, but you also don't get a ball stopper in Hill.

The difference now though is at the 3. Richard will likely get the bulk of the minutes, but when he sits down we can actually play a legit SF instead of having to trot another guard out there. It's not going to be for a lot of minutes, but it allow our other players to play in the positions they play best at. You're also bringing somebody that seemingly can contribute without needing to get touches on the ball.

As I indicated above, Spurs still need to retool further if they want to be contenders. This move doesn't get them closer. I don't think it takes them farther either. They basically got seemingly better than D-League talent and more financial flexibility. There's just more work to do in the offseason.

It should have been Anderson in that trade.

[DPG21920]

Link to your not understanding and trying to shit on the trade?

Last page.

Link, and I want it highlighted or underlined where I said I was mad or where I said I'm shitting on the trade.

If not, I want a formal written apology in comic sans double spaced that is 456 words long.

[ElNono]

It should have been Anderson in that trade.

Maybe. But that's $600K less, and Indy most likely doesn't know what they're getting with Anderson, thus they don't do the trade. Then we're stuck with the same logjam at 2 and no backup at 3. Sometimes you just need to take a gamble and see if it pays off.

[DPG21920]

El Nono, I get the logic of moving something bc there's a log jam. What I'm not seeing is anything close to a direction overall. Like I said, it's not colossal in either direction giving up Hill foe Leonard, it's just a move that in isolation doesn't actually move the team anywhere either way at the moment

[ElNono]

I also should add that financially speaking, Anderson makes more sense to keep. The Spurs had to extend a qualifying offer to Hill after next season and then match if somebody offered more. With the Spurs having a lot of money already guaranteed there's a real possibility they couldn't keep him.

[Spurtacus]

I'm setting the over/under for Leonard's playing time next season at :30 sec/game. How does that help the Spurs next season? How does Hill's play in one playoff series against the Grizz where no Spur played up to expectations have to do with anything?

I'm banking on RJ being gone with the new CBA's amnesty clause. Leonard could potentially be our starting SF. If not, he comes off the bench for Butler. Hill/Anderson will also play more minutes with Hill gone.

[jjktkk]

Agreed on the trades, but as of right now, the Spurs seem closer to going backwards than forwards with this Hill deal with regards to contending. Whether there's others to step up or not, spurs gave a known NBA talent up for a questionable one.

I'm not saying that's bad, just pointing out the reality of that particular situation.



That doesn't really answer my question though.

But the way your coming across is that Leanard is replacing Hill, which is not the case, because Hill's replacement is already on the roster in Neal and Anderson. Hill is a solid player, but because of Neal, his loss is not a huge detriment imo. How much better do you think Hill is than Neal? Hill's a better defender, but Neal at least competes hard on the defensive end. Your not losing anything on the offensive end with Hill either. Anderson will also benefit with the departure of Hill.

[ChumpDumper]

Link, and I want it highlighted or underlined where I said I was mad or where I said I'm shitting on the trade.

If not, I want a formal written apology in comic sans double spaced that is 456 words long.lol backwards

[ChumpDumper]

El Nono, I get the logic of moving something bc there's a log jam. What I'm not seeing is anything close to a direction overall. Like I said, it's not colossal in either direction giving up Hill foe Leonard, it's just a move that in isolation doesn't actually move the team anywhere either way at the momentYou said it was moving backward.

lol backtracking from backward

[jjktkk]

El Nono, I get the logic of moving something bc there's a log jam. What I'm not seeing is anything close to a direction overall. Like I said, it's not colossal in either direction giving up Hill foe Leonard, it's just a move that in isolation doesn't actually move the team anywhere either way at the moment

Where you expecting a "colossal" move?

[I Heart Ginobili]

its a lateral move that will eventually clear some cap space and increase depth at the 3. makes sense to me

[ElNono]

El Nono, I get the logic of moving something bc there's a log jam. What I'm not seeing is anything close to a direction overall. Like I said, it's not colossal in either direction giving up Hill foe Leonard, it's just a move that in isolation doesn't actually move the team anywhere either way at the moment

I think the direction is trying to get lucky and find another gem that can help an aging core make it over the top. To do that you need to bring new prospects that have the potential to grow and make a quality jump within our team's environment.

I think Hill reached his ceiling as far as what he could give to our team. He wasn't going to be that gem. In Indiana he's going to have a different opportunity, and perhaps he'll grow further as a player into whatever role he's going to have there.

[ChumpDumper]

Where you expecting a "colossal" move?He sure made a movement on this board.