George Hill traded to the pacers

[djohn2oo8]

According to @Adrian Wojnarowski (http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA) and @Chad Ford (http://twitter.com/chadfordinsider), the Pacers will trade Kawhi Leonard to the Spurs in a deal that involves George Hill. now (http://twitter.com/TheHoopsReport/statuses/84064362372923392)

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1Q9RIEVqd

[noob cake]

Spurs just got a top 10 talent for George Hill. Hopefully there is more to this than just a Hill for Kawhi swap.

[VBM]

And RJ becomes the most overpaid bench player in Texas...

[Amarelooms]

Good news for the Mavs...Hill killed us

:elephant

[BevoMav]

Gee, I thought the Spurs already had a player that can't shoot in Jefferson..Hill was a good young player and this is a panic move.

Someone please tell me how to edit my team..

:lobt2:Go Mavs :lobt2:

[VBM]

Jon Barry hates...per the usual

[lefty]

lol JB

fag

[VBM]

Wonder if this makes Gary Neal the de facto backup PG (aside from Manu)

[NRHector]

fuck that shit

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

Another future all star to pair with the Great Tito and Andersen.... In all seriousness
LOL spurs.... Irrelevant

[lefty]

Wonder if this makes Gary Neal the de facto backup PG (aside from Manu)
I fucking hope not

RMJ was playing well before the backup PG experiment

[Ghazi]

Good news for the Mavs...Hill killed us

:elephant

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170550

:lol :lol :lol :lol

[Landon Donofag]

LOL Spurs
Trading for a guy that can't shoot 3's
:lmao:lmao

Can't shootPERIOD

:lmao

[Nathan89]

We Staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacked!!!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

LOL Spurs
Trading for a guy that can't shoot 3's
:lmao:lmao

Can't shootPERIOD

:lmao
:lmao

[Frenzy]

Well at least I won't hear bill say "iupui" any more.

[ALVAREZ6]

later pussy ass phaggot, go cry about tweets from fans in Indiana

[BlackSwordsMan]

Amazing. Spurs FO in shit the bed mode. WHAT CAN WE GET FOR PARKER, HILL, BONNER, POPOVICH, THE COYOTE PLEASE TRADE WITH US

[BlackSwordsMan]

for future reference in case this player is the next MJ and someone bumps this thread I was only kidding

[BlackSwordsMan]

http://twitter.com/#!/George_Hill3/status/84078739675287553

[lefty]

Wonder if this makes Gary Neal the de facto backup PG (aside from Manu)
Now we know

[JJ Hickson]

The spurs just got a whole lot classier.

[cheguevara]

CIA pop full tank mode.

I guess Timmy will play in 2013

[FkLA]

This guy is Bruce Bowen Jr and will get the Spurs black to playing D according to the folk upstairs, seems like a great move to me. Plus it ensure that 3-time NBA Champion, multiple time All-Star, and 2007 Finals MVP Parker isnt going anywhere.

[ginobili's bald spot]

This guy is Bruce Bowen Jr and will get the Spurs black to playing D according to the folk upstairs.


Seems like a credible source to me

[Fabbs]

This guy is Bruce Bowen Jr and will get the Spurs black to playing D according to the folk upstairs, seems like a great move to me.
MultiTroll doesn't know squat. :lol

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

The spurs just got a whole lot classier.

:lol

[4>0rings]

yE-GOC4dJLU

Daa Paaceeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrsss!!!!

C ya bitch! Go get some real twitter fans in Whiteyville.

[mystargtr34]

Sucks to see George go.. he has come along way since the Spurs drafted him as an unknown in 2008.. But its a good move with all the backcourt guys the Spurs have.

Hopefully Kawhi is the long defensive 3 the Spurs have missed since Bruce left.

[Isitjustme?]

What a shitty trade. Hill is like 23 and makes jack shit yet he gets traded for an unproven talent in a shitty draft.

[Isitjustme?]

Fuck me.

[FkLA]

Disgusting trade. I hope Hill flourishes in Indy.

[ChumpDumper]

Disgusting trade. I hope Hill flourishes in Indy.Just change your team already, ploto.

[Ditty]

Just change your team already, ploto.

I know really these GNSF have been butthurt all night. I don't see how you get 3 guys under 20 years old with huge upsides for a 25 year old inconsistent, weak minded,undersized shooting guard.

I don't get it. :lol

[Isitjustme?]

Any time you can trade a legit starter level talent in this league for a mid first round pick in the shittiest draft of all time you gotta do it.

[mavsfan1000]

Any time you can trade a legit starter level talent in this league for a mid first round pick in the shittiest draft of all time you gotta do it.
:lol

[Ditty]

Any time you can trade a legit starter level talent in this league for a mid first round pick in the shittiest draft of all time you gotta do it.

So your telling me that Leonard shouldn't have been in the lottery, yet in many other drafts in past years, he still would of been a lottery talent. Yet you let a player go ,who is going to demand about at least $3 million more a year, then Leonard, when Hill becomes a free agent. I don't know I always thought it was never a bad thing when one of the oldest teams in the league got younger. Sounds like a "Hill is a great point guard" homer.

[TDMVPDPOY]

So your telling me that Leonard shouldn't have been in the lottery, yet in many other drafts in past years, he still would of been a lottery talent. Yet you let a player go ,who is going to demand about at least $3 million more a year, then Leonard, when Hill becomes a free agent. I don't know I always thought it was never a bad thing when one of the oldest teams in the league got younger. Sounds like a "Hill is a great point guard" homer.


wouldnt give 3m to ghill, but willing to pay bonner 3m a season and rj 30/3 remaining on his contract...both players who did shit all in the playoffs and the time they been here....

okay this is fail

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Good trade for the Spurs. Hill had plateaued and wasn't gonna make any more progression. The 2010 Dallas series completely got to his head and made it so he was no longer a defense-first type guy who always hustled. Classic example of a guy who develops a jumper and then gets lazy at everything else.

[hater]

Well I don't like it. Hill was improving every year. Although he did plateau last year and he did some stupid mistakes in the playoff series. Still he was our best young guy, nobody can deny that. I would have traded him for a real NBA player and not an unknown that we have to start from ZERO again. what a waste.

[dunkman]

The Spurs could have signed a proven FA talent in Prince, Kirilenko or Battier, while keeping Hill who's also NBA proven.

[Muser]

The Spurs could have signed a proven FA talent in Prince, Kirilenko or Battier, while keeping Hill who's also NBA proven.

Yeah let's sign more fossils :rolleyes

[Booharv]

tbh when a pg gets traded for a non-pg you know what DoK's take is gonna be.

[jjktkk]

Well I don't like it. Hill was improving every year. Although he did plateau last year and he did some stupid mistakes in the playoff series. Still he was our best young guy, nobody can deny that. I would have traded him for a real NBA player and not an unknown that we have to start from ZERO again. what a waste.

So why be butthurt about it? I like Hill, hes a solid player, but once he proved he couldn't handle the pg duties, he became a jag.

[jag]

Any time you can trade a legit starter level talent in this league for a mid first round pick in the shittiest draft of all time you gotta do it.

Things we know:
-Hill was too good to be a back up PG.

-Hill is not better than Tony Parker

-The Spurs defense was porous

-Hill was not a great defender against small guards

-Hill is a good 1v1 defender but will always be fighting an uphill battle defending players 4 to 7 inches taller than him at the SG and SF spot.

-The Spurs were best when Parker, Manu and Hill were on the floor together. But this led to defensive issues.

-Hill was too good to sit the bench. But not better than Tony or Manu. He was being wasted. The Spurs needed to get better defensively, especially in the top 3 positions, SF, PF and C.

-The Spurs just got better defensively at SF.

Things we probably know:
-Even with all of Hill's upside, Gary Neal can still contribute similar offensive numbers in the role Hill previously had.

-The Spurs didn't see an available big man in the draft that was better than Ryan Richards. I hope that's a good thing.

-Regardless of the supporting cast, the Spurs wont win anything unless Duncan is capable of putting up 15-20ppg and 10rpg in the postseason.

[davethedope]

-Regarless of the supporting cast, the Spurs wont win anything unless Duncan is capable of putting up 15-20ppg and 10rpg in the postseason.

Playoffs?!? Playoffs?!? Who said anything about Playoffs?

[Hooks]

This was a great trade, Leonard is going to be a pretty darn good player, imo he's another Gerald Wallace.

Losing Hill you get:
-More Minutes for Anderson/Neal. Anderson has a pretty high ceiling, better size, skill set, potential etc. while Neal is going to be a 16-18 PPG guy next year.

-A bunch of young players with a lot of potential in the draft

-Better on defense, if you watched the Spurs this year you'd know that Hill really fell off, his defense was getting really sloppy, TONS of late rotations as well as being unable to get past a damn screen.

-The Spurs got BIGGER. Leonard is a really long SF, he can play defense especially in the passing lanes, rebound like a beast, he's got a really high motor, he's a gym rat (always working to get better), he changed his shot mechanics, he can score in the paint, he was projected by many mock drafts to go in the top 10 (7-10). As I said before they opened up playing time for Anderson at SG, which means the Spurs got bigger. No more teams posting up our Guards/Forwards or rebounding on them at will like Memphis did last year. Leonard has an 8'10 standing reach and a 7'3 wingspan, he's got the potential to turn into a lock down NBA defender.

[Muser]

while Neal is going to be a 16-18 PPG guy next year.


:lmao

[hater]

funny ppl treat Neal like a young promising rookie.

Dude is 28 next season. He's clutch. But he won't be getting much better.

DISCLAIMER: If he becomes the next Chauncey Billups I was kidding about that ^

[Prime1]

:lmao

qft.

[jag]

This was a great trade, Leonard is going to be a pretty darn good player, imo he's another Gerald Wallace.

Losing Hill you get:
-More Minutes for Anderson/Neal. Anderson has a pretty high ceiling, better size, skill set, potential etc. while Neal is going to be a 16-18 PPG guy next year.

-A bunch of young players with a lot of potential in the draft

-Better on defense, if you watched the Spurs this year you'd know that Hill really fell off, his defense was getting really sloppy, TONS of late rotations as well as being unable to get past a damn screen.

-The Spurs got BIGGER. Leonard is a really long SF, he can play defense especially in the passing lanes, rebound like a beast, he's got a really high motor, he's a gym rat (always working to get better), he changed his shot mechanics, he can score in the paint, he was projected by many mock drafts to go in the top 10 (7-10). As I said before they opened up playing time for Anderson at SG, which means the Spurs got bigger. No more teams posting up our Guards/Forwards or rebounding on them at will like Memphis did last year. Leonard has an 8'10 standing reach and a 7'3 wingspan, he's got the potential to turn into a lock down NBA defender.

Gary Neal can occasionally go off for 20 points but if he becomes a 16-18 ppg guy this season then he's probably doing it because Parker and/or Manu are injured. Anderson hasn't looked all that great since his injury. Hopefully he gets back to where he was pre-injury.

This is one of the weakest drafts in the past 10 years.

The Spurs got bigger and got better on defense, which is what they needed.

[ohmwrecker]

Well I don't like it. Hill was improving every year. Although he did plateau last year and he did some stupid mistakes in the playoff series. Still he was our best young guy, nobody can deny that. I would have traded him for a real NBA player and not an unknown that we have to start from ZERO again. what a waste.

Real NBA players usually have Real contracts. Leonard is going to be better than Hill sooner than you think.

[BlackSwordsMan]

lol 4>1 rings

[hater]

Leonard is going to be better than Hill sooner than you think.

ppl say shit like this about rookies every year. truth is nobody fucking knows. we'll see

[Hooks]

:lmao


Yeah, one of the best shooters in the NBA that scored 10 PPG in his rookie season in 21 MPG doesn't have a chance to put up those numbers :lmao. Especially with Hill leaving, he'll be getting a lot more touches, but of course he won't be able to score 6 more points in 10 minutes, great logic there.

[Dex]

I'm fine with it. Hill had his moments (okay, he had a good series against Dallas), but as a marginally good player, he is far from irreplaceable. You can't just grapple onto every decent player that puts on a uniform. Besides, this was the last year of his rookie contract and the Spurs weren't going to be able to pay him going forward anyways, so at least they got some return value out of him this way.

Clears up the log-jam at SG, gets more minutes for Neal and Anderson. Adds a defensive forward and a couple other prospects down the line. Shows some sort of willingness by the front office to shake things up for a change.

And Spurs, classy as always, sending Hill back to his hometown. :cry

[ohmwrecker]

ppl say shit like this about rookies every year. truth is nobody fucking knows. we'll see

Nobody fucking knows anything. It's basketball, not existentialism.

[Hooks]

Gary Neal can occasionally go off for 20 points but if he becomes a 16-18 ppg guy this season then he's probably doing it because Parker and/or Manu are injured. Anderson hasn't looked all that great since his injury. Hopefully he gets back to where he was pre-injury.

This is one of the weakest drafts in the past 10 years.

The Spurs got bigger and got better on defense, which is what they needed.


He's pretty much guaranteed to get more minutes, more plays will be ran for him and he'll get a lot more touches. He scored 10 PPG last year averaging just 21 MPG in his rookie season, this year he's coming back more experienced and much more comfortable. We saw his ability to drive it and shoot those crazy floaters, his great shooting from all over the court etc.

Leonard isn't a scoring machine either, again leading to more touches for Neal.

[cheguevara]

what the fuck you fuckers smoking??? Gary neal average 18 a game??? :lmao

wake up

[InRareForm]

lol

[Ace]

Crofl Hill traded

[Hooks]

what the fuck you fuckers smoking??? Gary neal average 18 a game??? :lmao

wake up


I don't see why not, he was scoring 10 PPG in 21 MPG in his rookie season, and that was without any set plays, nearly everything was just catch and shoot. The Spurs will surely create a lot of plays for him, he'll be getting around 10 more minutes a game, you've seen his offensive arsenal which is pretty impressive, not only is he one of the best shooters in the NBA but he can drive as well that floater is deadly. The absence of Hill and addition of Leonard will make him the primary ball handler off the bench.

You act as if Neal is some sort of scrub lmao.

[ohmwrecker]

I doubt Neal will get 10 more minutes a game. 5, 7 tops.

[cheguevara]

he's 28. he ain't a true rookie.

no way in hell he will almost double his point production next season :rolleyes

[Hooks]

he's 28. he ain't a true rookie.

no way in hell he will almost double his point production next season :rolleyes


That's why I said 16-18 ppg, 18 being his ceiling while 16 being more realistic.

I know he's not a true rookie, it's just that his comfort level playing with other guys in the 2nd year the Spurs using him a lot more will lead to him scoring around 16PPG, especially with him handling the ball a lot more.

[Muser]

Yeah, one of the best shooters in the NBA that scored 10 PPG in his rookie season in 21 MPG doesn't have a chance to put up those numbers :lmao. Especially with Hill leaving, he'll be getting a lot more touches, but of course he won't be able to score 6 more points in 10 minutes, great logic there.

You said he could average 18 points, so you think Gary Neal could be the top scorer next year? rofl.

[Hooks]

I doubt Neal will get 10 more minutes a game. 5, 7 tops.


I think he might play some PG, we saw Pop move RMJ to PG and I think he'll do the same with Neal a bit especially with Joseph as the only backup PG. I'm pretty sure the Spurs will have to play him 10 more mpg.

When you have a bench that consists of:

-Splitter/Bonner/Blair (Splitter might be starting if Dice leaves)
-Leonard (IMO he's the #1 SF off the bench)
-Anderson
-Neal
-Joseph/???

Nearly all of the scoring will be coming from Anderson/Neal, the other guys aren't really scorers.

[Hooks]

You said he could average 18 points, so you think Gary Neal could be the top scorer next year? rofl.


Refer to the post above yours.

[Muser]

I think he might play some PG, we saw Pop move RMJ to PG and I think he'll do the same with Neal a bit especially with Joseph as the only backup PG. I'm pretty sure the Spurs will have to play him 10 more mpg.

When you have a bench that consists of:

-Splitter/Bonner/Blair (Splitter might be starting if Dice leaves)
-Leonard (IMO he's the #1 SF off the bench)
-Anderson
-Neal
-Joseph/???

Nearly all of the scoring will be coming from Anderson/Neal, the other guys aren't really scorers.

That's not going to be the bench the Spurs go with next year.

[ogait]

This trade while not horrible certainly isn't going to have any short term pay out either so I'm kind of indifferent to it now.

They got a bunch of prospects who aren't going to contribute any time soon, for a player who was good but far from being a difference maker.

Basically the Spurs remain in the limbo, they don't blow up their core to start rebuilding but also don't improve for the next season.

Pretty much what Parker said on his interview. Still a good team, no longer a contender.

[Spurtacus]

This trade while not horrible certainly isn't going to have any short term pay out either so I'm kind of indifferent to it now.

They got a bunch of prospects who aren't going to contribute any time soon, for a player who was good but far from being a difference maker.

Basically the Spurs remain in the limbo, they don't blow up their core to start rebuilding but also don't improve for the next season.

Pretty much what Parker said on his interview. Still a good team, no longer a contender.

How would you have improved the Spurs team short term with the 29th pick?

[Indazone]

George Hill say's thank you for the memories San Antonio and thank you for sending me back home.

[frodo]

spurs got robbed imo, at least they should've demanded an extra bonus like hibert

future all-star for an obscure unproven #15 draft :lol

[ogait]

How would you have improved the Spurs team short term with the 29th pick?

With a 29 pick is hard to improve the team for the short term ofc, although the Mavs manage to do it with a 26, but that's not the point.

By trading a vital part of the rotation it's arguable that the Spurs actually got worse for the next season.

As I said maybe not significantly worse, but forgive me if I'm not convinced that this rookie is the second coming of Bruce Bowen or that he is even going to play significant minutes in his first year like most Spurs fans.

[Cessation]

I'd say neal will average around 13 a game next season. Probably minutes increase to 25 a game.