International Prospect: Erazem Lorbek

[Bruno]

Where does he think the money will come from?

Well, he is just relaying what his sources are telling him. After that, it's up to you to speculate about it.

I can see 3 realistic scenarios:
1) Givony's sources are wrong and Spurs aren't that close of getting Lorbek.
2) Lorbek is Spurs first target with the MLE.
3) Lorbek is fine with a LLE contract.

[yavozerb]

Well, he is just relaying what his sources are telling him. After that, it's up to you to speculate about it.

I can see 3 realistic scenarios:
1) Givony's sources are wrong and Spurs aren't that close of getting Lorbek.
2) Lorbek is Spurs first target with the MLE.
3) Lorbek is fine with a LLE contract.

In no way should Lorbek recieve anything more than LLE. In my opinion Splitter was the more hyped younger Euro coming to the NBA so his contract should set the precedent for Lorbek.

[mountainballer]

Speaking of the final: Olympiacos came back from 34-53 at the 2:04 mark in the 3rd quarter to come back and win 62-61 thanks to a Printezis floater with 0.7 seconds left:

http://live.euroleague.net/gamesjs.aspx?ig=euro_188&st=20&dp=CUTPCF167AE22Q27N5NPC4636&z=1

Spurs should have drafted that Printezis guy.
oh, they did.

history wrote an interesting story for that pick. Spurs turn Printezis into the pick that lands us Dragic, who lands us the pick that lands us Blair. story shouldn't be finished yet. let's speculate that upcoming draft Blair lands us a pick that lands us...no idea, but it will happen.

[GuillermoDiazFan]

Soft as the womb of a marshmallow mermaid. Defensive sieve. The Spurs need to start rebuilding soon, so this is a good acquisition for a tanking season.

[coyotes_geek]

Spurs should have drafted that Printezis guy.
oh, they did.

history wrote an interesting story for that pick. Spurs turn Printezis into the pick that lands us Dragic, who lands us the pick that lands us Blair. story shouldn't be finished yet. let's speculate that upcoming draft Blair lands us a pick that lands us...no idea, but it will happen.

It's all part of RC's plan to replace Tim Duncan by turning the #58 pick from the 2007 draft into the #1 pick in the 2015 draft. :king

[dunkman]

The BAE (LLE), no longer exists in the '11 CBA. Given Duncan's age, no way the Spurs pass on Diaw and Lorbek.

[Mel_13]

The BAE (LLE), no longer exists in the '11 CBA. Given Duncan's age, no way the Spurs pass on Diaw and Lorbek.

There are new limits on the use of the BAE, but it does exist under the new CBA.

[angelbelow]

The BAE (LLE), no longer exists in the '11 CBA. Given Duncan's age, no way the Spurs pass on Diaw and Lorbek.

It'll be very difficult to sign both.

Duncan deserves the 10 million + hes getting his way and depending on how Green performs he may be in for a 4-5 million per year salary.

That doesn't leave much to work with for both Diaw AND Lorbek.

[yavozerb]

It'll be very difficult to sign both.

Duncan deserves the 10 million + hes getting his way and depending on how Green performs he may be in for a 4-5 million per year salary.

That doesn't leave much to work with for both Diaw AND Lorbek.

I can gurantee you that Green will not get 4-5 mil from the spurs..Cannot see the spurs going over the 3 mil offer.

[elemento]

I agree with yavozerb.

We thought Splitter would get the full MLE and in the end we got him for 3y/11m. That's the most money i see San Antonio offering Green.

If he doesn't like the offer and doesn't get a contract he likes in the off-season, he simply takes the QO and play 1 more year with us.

If he gets the full MLE from a dumb team, i'd say we should just let him go. He isn't worth it.

[angelbelow]

I can gurantee you that Green will not get 4-5 mil from the spurs..Cannot see the spurs going over the 3 mil offer.

I agree, 3 million would be ideal. But that still doesn't leave much room for Lorbek and Diaw.

If Duncan gets 10 million and Green gets 3, we're looking at 63 million spent. Since we'll be over the cap, we just have our MLE to work with. With that figure being below the tax, we have 5 million to work with for both Diaw and Lorbek.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I agree, 3 million would be ideal. But that still doesn't leave much room for Lorbek and Diaw.

If Duncan gets 10 million and Green gets 3, we're looking at 63 million spent. Since we'll be over the cap, we just have our MLE to work with. With that figure being below the tax, we have 5 million to work with for both Diaw and Lorbek.

We'd have the LLE or whatever it is now called too, but it likely won't be enough for Lorbek. Might just fit de Colo in it, though.

[Hooks]

What are the chances the Spurs get rid of both Blair/Bonner to free up cap space for Lorbek, is that possible?

Blair getting 0 playing time in these playoffs both this and last year, and Bonner continuing to disappear year after year, I wouldn't be surprised if they're gone this off season. I could definitely see Blair requesting a trade.

[picnroll]

What does Lorbek bring that Bonner doesn't and vice versa Bonner bring that Lorbek doesn't? Post ups? Defense? Rebounding? Other?

[Texas_Ranger]

Lorbek is a much better post player than Bonner is, he can shoot threes, probably not as good as Matt, but solid. On defense Lorbek can play good, but this year Bonner wasn't really that bad so I can't say who's better and rebounding is pretty much the same, I'd say Lorbek would get more rebounds, but he can't really jump that high. Overall Lorbek would be a great addition, but he won't come here to play 10 minutes a game, so Blair, Bonner or even both need to go. A lineup of Tim, Boris, Tiago and Lorbek would make one of the best frontlines in the NBA.

[Uriel]

There are new limits on the use of the BAE, but it does exist under the new CBA.

Mel_13, I would really appreciate it if you can explain in layman's terms how the BAE works under the new CBA. Thanks. :toast

[Mel_13]

Mel_13, I would really appreciate it if you can explain in layman's terms how the BAE works under the new CBA. Thanks. :toast

Short answer:

The Bi-Annual Exception is a small (2 yrs/4M) salary cap exception. Teams may not be more than 4M above the luxury tax line, inclusive of the BAE itself, in order to use the BAE. The BAE may not be used in consecutive seasons.

For future reference, Larry Coon's FAQ is the definitive source for all CBA-related questions. For example, the section on salary cap exceptions can be found here:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25

[BackHome]

What does Lorbek bring that Bonner doesn't and vice versa Bonner bring that Lorbek doesn't? Post ups? Defense? Rebounding? Other?

All the above...:lol

[bluebellmaniac]

Short answer:

The Bi-Annual Exception is a small (2 yrs/4M) salary cap exception. Teams may not be more than 4M above the luxury tax line, inclusive of the BAE itself, in order to use the BAE. The BAE may not be used in consecutive seasons.

For future reference, Larry Coon's FAQ is the definitive source for all CBA-related questions. For example, the section on salary cap exceptions can be found here:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25

Thanks Mel_13! The BAE comes with some serious handcuffs.... if we use it, it could limit how much we pay TD next year and thus could affect how we prepare for the '13-'14 season, salary-wise. TIMVP had a post where he suggested we could give TD a big contract this next year then pay a much smaller amount in the '13-'14 season to free up $$$ for FA's. Using the BAE this year could throw a serious wrench into any such plan...

[Uriel]

Short answer:

The Bi-Annual Exception is a small (2 yrs/4M) salary cap exception. Teams may not be more than 4M above the luxury tax line, inclusive of the BAE itself, in order to use the BAE. The BAE may not be used in consecutive seasons.

For future reference, Larry Coon's FAQ is the definitive source for all CBA-related questions. For example, the section on salary cap exceptions can be found here:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25

Thank you, I appreciate it. :toast


Thanks Mel_13! The BAE comes with some serious handcuffs.... if we use it, it could limit how much we pay TD next year and thus could affect how we prepare for the '13-'14 season, salary-wise. TIMVP had a post where he suggested we could give TD a big contract this next year then pay a much smaller amount in the '13-'14 season to free up $$$ for FA's. Using the BAE this year could throw a serious wrench into any such plan...

Not really. $2 million per season isn't that big of a deal. In fact, I'm hoping the Spurs can somehow manage to retain Green via their QO, re-sign Diaw with the MLE, use their BAE on Lorbek, trade Blair and / or Neal for a first round pick in a very deep draft to nab a backup PG, and still manage to re-sign Duncan. Obviously that would be rather difficult to do, but I'm hoping the lure of a championship is enough incentive for these players to sign for below their marker value.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

Thank you, I appreciate it. :toast



Not really. $2 million per season isn't that big of a deal. In fact, I'm hoping the Spurs can somehow manage to retain Green via their QO, re-sign Diaw with the MLE, use their BAE on Lorbek, trade Blair and / or Neal for a first round pick in a very deep draft to nab a backup PG, and still manage to re-sign Duncan. Obviously that would be rather difficult to do, but I'm hoping the lure of a championship is enough incentive for these players to sign for below their marker value.why a PG? would rather have them trade & draft for an athletic project big to spend a couple of season in Austin.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

why a PG? would rather have them trade & draft for an athletic project big to spend a couple of season in Austin.

You don't need a first rounder for that. Project bigs are always available.

[elemento]

Well,

To be fair with S&B, we also don't need to spend another 1st round pick in a backup PG. We already have one to develop and we can always find a vet for cheap that will more reliable than anyone we can find with a late 1st or an early 2nd.
If we get a late 1st or an early 2nd, I prefer to see the Spurs getting a good young Euro prospect and let him develop in Europe. Someone like Furkan for example.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

You don't need a first rounder for that. Project bigs are always available.
If the kid has high potential (say like Anthony Randolph) but needs alot of developing then i say its worth using a late 1st round pick on. That or a solid SF to play back up to Kawhi.

[tesseractive]

Even if Lorbek is just the next Matt Bonner, at least there's a chance he might be able to hit shots in the playoffs. Let's do this.

[BackHome]

I don't care what we do just as long as Ginger is not with us next year!!

[Bruno]

Lorbek was very good in game 1 of the Spanish league final against Madrid (18 pts)

The end of the game is a must see:
http://acbtv.acb.com/video/5092-lacb-20112012-playoff-43-prodigioso_triple_victorioso_de_marcelinho

[naico]

Lorbek was very good in game 1 of the Spanish league final against Madrid (18 pts)

The end of the game is a must see:
http://acbtv.acb.com/video/5092-lacb-20112012-playoff-43-prodigioso_triple_victorioso_de_marcelinho

Wow, what a finish! Marcelinho, if i remember well played a couple of really good games in the last WC, including against the U.S. Good player, has a lot of heart.

[Bruno]

Spanish league final is tied 2-2. Last game of the series will be Saturday at 11am CST.

Lorbek was huge in game 4 with 24 points scored (Barcelona won 81-75). It's crazy how skilled he is. He is a true joy to watch.

[justinandimcool]

This guy is 28 already? I'm excited for him, but damn that's disappointing.

[ace3g]

Bruno any boxscores for these games want to check out his rebounding #s, etc.

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Nevermind found it:

http://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/Spain/2012/0613_86_100.asp

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I think I have mentioned this before but if he did sign with the Spurs, fans won't cringe when he posts up and goes for a hook shot. Another thing (again if signed), Pop should test his big shot ability early on in the season, draw up some game winning shots for him, see how he handles the pressure.


This guy is 28 already? I'm excited for him, but damn that's disappointing.

Well since we are dealing with the end of the Duncan era; might as well add players that are near or at their prime in basketball.

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Also if we can't sign both Lorbek and Diaw, I'm on the fence on which I would want more. I would like to add De Colo to the team as well because back up PG is still a missing link. So if it comes down to both Lorbek/Diaw and no De Colo or vice versa, I'd go with choosing 1 big with the PG.

[BackHome]

Well the word on the street is that De Colo is about 90% a Spurs the only reason I don't see him if some major trade comes up. So that gives us our backup PG and between Lobrek and Diaw I want the guy who can play defense and give us offense when Duncan is sitting...so sign LOBREK>

[SamoanTD]

Well the word on the street is that De Colo is about 90% a Spurs the only reason I don't see him if some major trade comes up. So that gives us our backup PG and between Lobrek and Diaw I want the guy who can play defense and give us offense when Duncan is sitting...so sign LOBREK>

Lorbek plays defense? This I gotta see.

[ace3g]

http://acbtv.acb.com/video/5110-lacb-20112012-playoff-46-bievenidos_a_una_leccion_mas_del_maestro_erazem_lo rbek

From the game today, that quickstep move in the paint and dunk was pretty impressive.

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Wouldn't mind seeing more of this:

http://www.solobasket.com/fotos/42228_11.jpg

and less of:

http://hoopsbetting.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/matt_bonner_spurs_missing_hero.png

[Uriel]

Bruno, if Lorbek were to sign with the Spurs, do you think he would be the 2nd best bigman in our rotation as soon as next season?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Spanish league final is tied 2-2. Last game of the series will be Saturday at 11am CST.

Lorbek was huge in game 4 with 24 points scored (Barcelona won 81-75). It's crazy how skilled he is. He is a true joy to watch.

Is there any site to watch game 4 in its entirety? And is there a way to watch Saturday's game live?

[Bruno]

Bruno, if Lorbek were to sign with the Spurs, do you think he would be the 2nd best bigman in our rotation as soon as next season?

It's hard to tell. The thing with Lorbek is that, while he is a heck of player, the NBA transition doesn't seem that simple for him. He is awfully skilled but he is too very limited athletically. I don't have a clue what part will emerge once in the NBA: his talent or his lack of athleticism.

Spurs bigmen under contract are Duncan, Splitter, Bonner and Blair. If you add Lorbek to these players, it's taking a risk because he might turn into a bust in NBA or at least need a year to make the transition and Spurs bigmen rotation will suck. So, while I would really like to see Spurs adding Lorbek, it would be way better if they add too another solid proven bigman like Diaw.

[Bruno]

Is there any site to watch game 4 in its entirety? And is there a way to watch Saturday's game live?

Streams of game 5 should be available on the traditional websites that provide illegal streams.

[SamoanTD]

No need for him this season we need athletic big's who can play defense we can score enough points we need to get more stops.

[yavozerb]

No need for him this season we need athletic big's who can play defense we can score enough points we need to get more stops.

Ya, cause the Spurs are the only team looking for athletic bigs these days...:rolleyes

[SamoanTD]

Ya, cause the Spurs are the only team looking for athletic bigs these days...:rolleyes

Your right but I don't think settling for a big who is not very athletic and doesn't fit one of the GREATEST needs on the team. This is not a bashing of Lorbek but honestly the spurs don't need a guy like this they need a defensive big we have plenty of ways to score we need stops.

[yavozerb]

Your right but I don't think settling for a big who is not very athletic and doesn't fit one of the GREATEST needs on the team. This is not a bashing of Lorbek but honestly the spurs don't need a guy like this they need a defensive big we have plenty of ways to score we need stops.

I will gladly settle for Lorbek over Blair or Bonner..An athletic big would be nice, but since they do not grow on trees you make do with whats actually available to go from there..LAst I checked the Spurs have done very well without a so called "athletic big" on the roster.

[smaka]

Lorbek played awesome yesterday, could've scored even more if it wasn't for the bad FT shooting (2/6). He has great technique, far better than Bonner, and I would have nothing against seeing him instead of Matt next season.

[SamoanTD]

I will gladly settle for Lorbek over Blair or Bonner..An athletic big would be nice, but since they do not grow on trees you make do with whats actually available to go from there..LAst I checked the Spurs have done very well without a so called "athletic big" on the roster.

I'm not saying that we suck without one sure we win games but when it counts we cannot protect the basket that's all I'm saying. There are a lot of bigs in the draft that we can actually go after in the draft. For exp( Kyle O'Quinn, Bernard James) we could move pieces like Neal, Blair, and bonner to move up in the 2nd round where these bigs are in visioned to go. We saw it in these playoffs when Duncan wasn't in there it was a layup/dunk line on the spurs. Nothing against lorbek I'm sure he's a good player but he can't do what we need to get further than where we did. We have way more than enough fire power.

[stxspurs]

Lorbek played awesome yesterday, could've scored even more if it wasn't for the bad FT shooting (2/6). He has great technique, far better than Bonner, and I would have nothing against seeing him instead of Matt next season.

bad free throw shooter...well he is on the team then

[BackHome]

Getting rid of Blair is not bid deal but getting rid of Bonner or Neal you give up a lot of offense be that in the regular season. That is why I like Lobrek he can produce in both areas. Sure I am game to replace Blair with a shot blocking rebounding TALL project but I want Lobrek to replace Booner.

[Spurs da champs]

I will gladly settle for Lorbek over Blair or Bonner..An athletic big would be nice, but since they do not grow on trees you make do with whats actually available to go from there..LAst I checked the Spurs have done very well without a so called "athletic big" on the roster.

That was then this is now, the league has defiantly changed & is more suited to having athletic bigs then those traditional bangers.

[T Park]

No need for him this season we need athletic big's who can play defense we can score enough points we need to get more stops.


Awesome, who ya gonna sign?

[SamoanTD]

Awesome, who ya gonna sign?

read posts in the thread.

[ace3g]

Game should start in about 8-10 minutes

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Halftime, Barcelona leads Real Madrid: 39-34

Boxscore: http://jvbeta.acb.com/jornada/LACB/56/47

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Lorbek in foul trouble, picked up his 3rd foul a couple minutes into the 3rd quarter had to be taken out; pretty low key game for him so far: 2 pts, 4 boards

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Anytime Barcelona goes up 8-9 pts, Real makes a run to get back within 2-3, probably end up being a close game

[Spursfanfromafar]

Some terrific moves by Lorbek in the 4th quarter of the final game of the Liga Endesa.. After surviving through foul trouble.

[ace3g]

Barcelona wins 73-69

Lorbek finishes with 10 pts and 6 boards

[Spursfanfromafar]

Great win for Barca and Lorbek.

Deserved after the first game Huertas miracle and solid play by the bigs Lorbek and Vazquez in the games that mattered.

[Bruno]

Lorbek final MVP. He also was in the first Euroleague and first Spanish league teams. What a great season he has had.

In game 5, he was relatively quiet until a couple of big baskets he made in the clutch. I haven't liked at all his rebounding effort.

[ace3g]

They also gave Reyes a trophy wasn't sure what that was for, thought maybe for MVP, since it was bigger than trophy Lorbek got, lol

[Kuestmaster]

Really hoping Erazem comes to the spurs next season. I've watched him all season here in Barcelona and under Pop system he can play better than Splitter I think. Especially in offense

[sisibilio]

They also gave Reyes a trophy wasn't sure what that was for, thought maybe for MVP, since it was bigger than trophy Lorbek got, lol
It's the trophy they give to the finalist team, Reyes received it as the captain of Real madrid.

[ace3g]

Really hoping Erazem comes to the spurs next season. I've watched him all season here in Barcelona and under Pop system he can play better than Splitter I think. Especially in offense

That is the question mark; if he replaces Matt Bonner in rotation would Pop give him minutes even when his 3 point shot isn't falling (like it did today)? Obviously Lorbek has better post moves than both Bonner and Splitter but how much patience would Pop have in Lorbek when 3 isn't falling? Would he allow him to mix in his post moves to make up for nights shots aren't falling?

[loveforthegame]

I'm really warming up to him again.

I hope both sides can work it out and get him in a Spurs uniform this season.

[Bruno]

We should get some news about his future in the coming few days now that his season is finished. Hopefully the rumors linking him with Spurs will be confirmed.

[tesseractive]

That is the question mark; if he replaces Matt Bonner in rotation would Pop give him minutes even when his 3 point shot isn't falling (like it did today)? Obviously Lorbek has better post moves than both Bonner and Splitter but how much patience would Pop have in Lorbek when 3 isn't falling? Would he allow him to mix in his post moves to make up for nights shots aren't falling?
It's not even that his post moves have to be so amazing... it's the combination of a post game and a perimeter game that could be so interesting.

Consider OKC. He's not going to be able to do anything against Perkins in the post, because Perkins is a beast. Ibaka is really quick, and can probably chase him around the perimeter all game long. But if Lorbek is good enough to beat Perkins on the perimeter and to beat Ibaka in the post, then he's a potential mismatch to either defender.

So in addition to general spot-up duty spreading the floor, you have the potential to run specific plays to take advantage of whichever mismatch he can get against a defender.

[ace3g]

It's not even that his post moves have to be so amazing... it's the combination of a post game and a perimeter game that could be so interesting.

Consider OKC. He's not going to be able to do anything against Perkins in the post, because Perkins is a beast. Ibaka is really quick, and can probably chase him around the perimeter all game long. But if Lorbek is good enough to beat Perkins on the perimeter and to beat Ibaka in the post, then he's a potential mismatch to either defender.

So in addition to general spot-up duty spreading the floor, you have the potential to run specific plays to take advantage of whichever mismatch he can get against a defender.

This is true but you still have to factor in his poor rebounding skills and what kind of defender he is. I'm still on the fence between him and Diaw. Still trying to decide which would be the better fit.

Which is why whoever the Spurs get between Diaw and Lorbek; they still need to get an athletic PF that can defend and rebound. Plus must be comfortable to guard on the perimeter.

[sendman]

Consider OKC. He's not going to be able to do anything against Perkins in the post, because Perkins is a beast. Ibaka is really quick, and can probably chase him around the perimeter all game long.

He, he, he, dude you don't know nothing about Lorbek.
Guys like Perkins are his bread and butter. Lorbek doesn't try to out muscle his opponents, he tries to outsmart them. And guys like Perkins usually look silly when they play against him.

[tesseractive]

He, he, he, dude you don't know nothing about Lorbek.
Guys like Perkins are his bread and butter. Lorbek doesn't try to out muscle his opponents, he tries to outsmart them. And guys like Perkins usually look silly when they play against him.

I hope you're right, but Duncan's about as smart as anybody you'll find playing the post, and he wasn't able to get anything going against Perkins, so consider me skeptical until he can prove it.

[tesseractive]

This is true but you still have to factor in his poor rebounding skills and what kind of defender he is. I'm still on the fence between him and Diaw. Still trying to decide which would be the better fit.

Which is why whoever the Spurs get between Diaw and Lorbek; they still need to get an athletic PF that can defend and rebound. Plus must be comfortable to guard on the perimeter.

If there's a way we can find a player like that, I'm all for it. Not sure where he's coming from, though.

[ace3g]

http://media.acb.com/web/fotos/8/5/4/9/6/85496_81_vic_81.jpg

http://media.acb.com/web/fotos/8/5/5/0/3/85503_81_88186_81.jpg

[BackHome]

Well one of the main reason we lost to OK is everyone got gun shy. It wasn't defense it was turning the ball over and nobody having the balls to take the open shot. That is why I don't want Diaw for a game six the series on the line and you I think..have 2pts the whole game...FCK that...SIGN LOBREK

[maverick1948]

I am not going to knock any of our present players but Lorbek looks like he is better than any option we have now. Scores inside and can knock down the 3 when needed. As for his rebounding, he gets about 4 or so in 20 to 25 mins. Add in 14 points and I would not mind having him along side Duncan. The biggest plus for Lorbek is, he can play both PF and C. If he were here, our front court would look solid on paper. Tim Duncan, MVP NBA, Tiago Splitter MVP Euro, Erazam Lorbek MVP Euro. Add in the back court, Manu Ginobili, Euro MVP and Tony Parker, MVP NBA Finals and you have a group stars.

[ace3g]

ACB just posted this vid, highlight of his MVP series:

http://acbtv.acb.com/video/5118-lacb-20112012-playoff-47-erazem_lorbek_mvp_orange_del_playoff_final_de_la_l iga_endesa

[BackHome]

I am not going to knock any of our present players but Lorbek looks like he is better than any option we have now. Scores inside and can knock down the 3 when needed. As for his rebounding, he gets about 4 or so in 20 to 25 mins. Add in 14 points and I would not mind having him along side Duncan. The biggest plus for Lorbek is, he can play both PF and C. If he were here, our front court would look solid on paper. Tim Duncan, MVP NBA, Tiago Splitter MVP Euro, Erazam Lorbek MVP Euro. Add in the back court, Manu Ginobili, Euro MVP and Tony Parker, MVP NBA Finals and you have a group stars.

Good post...A lot of ways our team can get better and bringing him over is one of them. You add him and then do some trading maybe SJ to GS for Okafor or who knows but we can make this team faster, stronger, better....just get players who have LARGE HUEVOS..........

[timvp]

That's officially the lamest trophy I have ever seen.



P.S.

Are these games online anywhere?

[timvp]

Nevermind, got the games. Guess I'll watch Game 4 first . . . :wakeup

[Bruno]

ACB just posted this vid, highlight of his MVP series:

http://acbtv.acb.com/video/5118-lacb-20112012-playoff-47-erazem_lorbek_mvp_orange_del_playoff_final_de_la_l iga_endesa

Beautiful. :toast

[ace3g]

Nevermind, got the games. Guess I'll watch Game 4 first . . . :wakeup

any chance I can see Games 1,2 and 4?

[Spursfanfromafar]

Whatever questions are there about Lorbek's athleticism and his rebounding effort and intensity, there is no question that he is more skilled than Bonner and not too far away from his 3 pt abilities either. And his clutch play shows that he is far far far better than Bonner in one respect - performing when it matters.

I don't know if this is possible at all. But I think if the Spurs could replace Bonner with Lorbek (with a reduced salary in the first year atleast), get KG for the veteran's minimum to replace Blair and somehow coax Diaw to get somewhere close to the MLE and get TD on a reduced salary close to $10mil.. they will be set to win a championship with a superb big lineup in Duncan, Garnett, Splitter, Diaw and Lorbek. Pipedream?

Bruno, you are the expert here. Can you concoct a reasonable scenario if this is possible with TD on a 10mil contract? (Bonner's ass amnestied and KG willing to play for vet's min)

[Harry Callahan]

He looks to have a pretty diverse offensive game in those few highlights.

Looks OK to me - not a great athlete, but could add more than just a 3 point shot like Bonner.

[DesignatedT]

Looks like he might be better than advertised down low on the block. Something the Spurs desperately need.

[Harry Callahan]

^ Yup. A low post threat to help out 21 and 22 wouldn't be so bad. Besides, the Spurs don't have a #1 at the moment, the Euro stashes may be the only way to bolster the bench.

I'm about ready for Matty B. to be amnestied. His regular season good, playoffs season bad act is just a little old for me.

[ace3g]

Found YT of video link I posted above:

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[CGD]

Well the guy has a quicker release from range than does bonner that's for sure. Unlike tiago this guy WILL be able to play next to td. The more I see the more I like. Looking more and more like we schooled the pacers in that trade last summer.

[Bruno]

After reading today's Spanish articles, some comments:
- Lorbek was sick for the game 5. He fainted the morning of the game and had dizziness during the games. He didn't participate in the post game celebration and was bring home by the team doctor because he hasn't been cleared to drive.
- When asked about his future after the game, Lorbek declined to comment.
- Rumors are still strong that eh would join Spurs: http://www.marca.com/2012/06/17/baloncesto/nba/noticias/1339919336.html

[racm]

Well the guy has a quicker release from range than does bonner that's for sure. Unlike tiago this guy WILL be able to play next to td. The more I see the more I like. Looking more and more like we schooled the pacers in that trade last summer.

Except for that Jefferson trade RC has outsmarted nearly every front office (though you could argue getting rid of the zombies on the roster was the master plan)

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Except for that Jefferson trade RC has outsmarted nearly every front office (though you could argue getting rid of the zombies on the roster was the master plan)

The thing about the Spurs is that they always clean up their mistakes. See: Rose, Malik; Nesterovich, Rasho; Jefferson, Richard.

[Seventyniner]

After reading today's Spanish articles, some comments:
- Lorbek was sick for the game 5. He fainted the morning of the game and had dizziness during the games. He didn't participate in the post game celebration and was bring home by the team doctor because he hasn't been cleared to drive.
- When asked about his future after the game, Lorbek declined to comment.

At least he choked before the game and not during, like Bonner.

[SenorSpur]

From the highlights, he certainly appears to be as skilled offensively as has been advertised. Though, he looks weak physically and defensively. Yet if he can push Bonner off the Spurs roster for good, bring him on.

[BackHome]

We all know the are 3 truths and those are Death, Taxes, and Bonner sucks. This guy is way better then Bonner and our second unit needs players that can hit the open shot and create their own shots he can do both. Sign him and somehow get a good second round pick by trading Neal or Blair, Bonner and pick up a legit big with potential......God though I hate the word potential when describing a player.

[DPG21920]

He reminds me very much of Okur. I think that overall, that is about as best as you could hope for if he translates well. He moves very slow on the low block - similar to a Marc Gasol, but he doesn't seem to possess the strength of Gasol.

He looks to obviously be a talented player, but I have strong concerns about his ability to translate his game - especially defensively. Haven't seen a lot, but I can only imagine his stuggles trying to defend the PnR.

Don't get me wrong - for the price he would have to take to come over, I'll take him. I will take guys who are winners at any level - especially a level at which he is currently playing.

[ace3g]

Looks like Plan A, B, and C to replace Lorbek is Mirza Teletović

http://encestando.es/?p=33310&utm_source=encestando&utm_medium=twitter

[Ozzy]

I don't think Lorbek will stay in Barcelona anyway as supposedly there budget should go down this year. But there were rumors about a month ago that Armani Jeans Milano was very interested in Lorbek's services. However, the MVP award might change a lot in how he is viewed in Barcelona.

Also, in a brief interview with Slovene online news portal SiOL Lorbek said that he has no idea yet where his future lies and that he has not talked with the management staff of Barcelona about this yet. He also said that NBA is one of the options he is considering and that he will have to make a decision soon. (In Slovenian language - http://www.siol.net/sportal/kosarka/legionarji/2012/06/lorbkova_dilema_evropski_kralj_ali_vrnitev_v_zda.a spx )


Here is an interesting analysis of actions set up for centers in Barcelona - first part is mostly about Lorbek

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[Redshadows]

How is Loberk's athleticism compared to Kurt Thomas and Marc Gasol?

[sendman]

How is Loberk's athleticism compared to Kurt Thomas and Marc Gasol?

He is equal to Marc Gasol,...











when Marc was 10.:p:

[wildbill2u]

Lorbek is having a great season, especially in the Euroleague:
http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=BWL

I would say he has been the second best Euroleague big behind Krstic. I would rather have Lorbek than Blair and Bonner.

You and I agree that our main need is for a good PF who can play with Duncan. My preference is that he should be athletic, can play defense and rebound and able to roam the perimeter to help space the floor. (don't want much do I?)

Everything I've read about Lorbeck seems to focus on his offensive skills. But what about his defense? I read about very slow foot speed and resulting poor defense.

It seems he's like Splitter but with worse defensive skills.

If we can't play Splitter with Duncan, why would we be able to play Lorbeck with Duncan.

[Bruno]

You and I agree that our main need is for a good PF who can play with Duncan. My preference is that he should be athletic, can play defense and rebound and able to roam the perimeter to help space the floor. (don't want much do I?)

Well, then your preference isn't Lorbek.



Everything I've read about Lorbeck seems to focus on his offensive skills. But what about his defense? I read about very slow foot speed and resulting poor defense.

Lorbek is a solid defender in Europe but isn't dominant on that side of the court. It's sure that he could struggle in the NBA against quick/athletic bigs.



It seems he's like Splitter but with worse defensive skills.

If we can't play Splitter with Duncan, why would we be able to play Lorbeck with Duncan.

Lorbek isn't at all like Splitter. The reason why Pop hasn't played more Duncan with Splitter is because he thinks they can't mesh offensively. He shouldn't have this concern with Lorbek given his great offensive versatility.

[dylankerouac]

Yeah I was looking at a highlight video for Lorbek 2012 and he had a lot of jumpers in it plus some close to the basket shots, not dunks.

I then went back to look at some Tiago highlights and I saw mostly dunks and close to the basket shots. Tiago has no mid-range game or jumper that I know of or have seen.

Unlike Lorbek, Tiago does not shoot jumpers or mid-range shots. After seeing Lorbek's highlight video I will be excited if we can pick up Lorbek. We will have the option to play Duncan with Lorbek and play Splitter with Lorbek. If we can keep Diaw we will be looking good. If we can't keep Diaw hopefully we can get another big with some sort of mid-range game and good defense.

[yavozerb]

Yeah I was looking at a highlight video for Lorbek 2012 and he had a lot of jumpers in it plus some close to the basket shots, not dunks.

I then went back to look at some Tiago highlights and I saw mostly dunks and close to the basket shots. Tiago has no mid-range game or jumper that I know of or have seen.

Unlike Lorbek, Tiago does not shoot jumpers or mid-range shots. After seeing Lorbek's highlight video I will be excited if we can pick up Lorbek. We will have the option to play Duncan with Lorbek and play Splitter with Lorbek. If we can keep Diaw we will be looking good. If we can't keep Diaw hopefully we can get another big with some sort of mid-range game and good defense.

You had to go back and look at Euro footage to figure out that Tiago has no jump shot...:wow

[dylankerouac]

I was hoping it was more of a once-used long lost skill set.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

I was hoping it was more of a once-used long lost skill set.

Right. The Spurs suppressing a big man's jump shot.


:lol:rollin:lol:rollin:lol:rollin:lol:rollin:lol

[racm]

Homestly if he contributes anyting better than Bomner's spot up 3s and shyhook Lorbek will be an amazing upgrade

[Bruno]

The latest rumor is that CSKA, with their new coach Messina, has madea an offer to Lorbek:
http://encestando.es/?p=33689

If it's true, it isn't a good news at all for Spurs. CSKA is pretty much the team in Europe with the most money.

[racm]

Dors he value money more than a ring and a chance to play with a hall of famer and two potential candidates?

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Dors he value money more than a ring and a chance to play with a hall of famer and two potential candidates?

I'm not sure that's even the real issue. This may be his last chance to play in the NBA. Guys rarely come over after 30. I can only think of Oberto, who had Manu here already, and Sabonis. He can come over and try the NBA, and if he doesn't like it, or the money isn't forthcoming, he can always go back. If he signs with CSKA, that's pretty much it for any NBA career for him.

[lmbebo]

I think prior posts made it sound like Lorbek values his finances more than the allure of playing in the NBA.

[Redshadows]

He is bargaining, I guess.
Whoever offered him the most would get him.

[racm]

Spurs should be more aggressive with getting him tbh

Can't let Bonner taking more minutes in the playoffs.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

He is bargaining, I guess.
Whoever offered him the most would get him.

If money is what he is basing this on, he'll be in Moscow next year.

The Spurs don't throw big money at NBA unknowns. Manu took $1.4M/yr for 2 years when he signed, the amount of the LLE in 2002. You have to show SA something at the NBA level to get paid.

[loveforthegame]

I figure we're just being used again. No surprise.

The only thing worse than that is another season of Blair and Bonner.

[BackHome]

Yeah that is the problem when drafting overseas players that if they start getting good then you could loose them to a team with bigger pockets. That is why I hope they could bring Adam Hanga over this year...he is going to be good..

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Yeah that is the problem when drafting overseas players that if they start getting good then you could loose them to a team with bigger pockets. That is why I hope they could bring Adam Hanga over this year...he is going to be good..

Hanga is young, though. He can make some dough in Europe, and still come over in his mid twenties like Manu did. Lorbek is way past that point. It's shit or get off the pot time, Razzy. What's it gong to be?

[racm]

Hanga is young, though. He can make some dough in Europe, and still come over in his mid twenties like Manu did. Lorbek is way past that point. It's shit or get off the pot time, Razzy. What's it gong to be?

Plus, Hanga can build his resume for a few more years like Manu, who basically won a silver medal at Indianapolis before coming over

[TD 21]

The latest rumor is that CSKA, with their new coach Messina, has madea an offer to Lorbek:
http://encestando.es/?p=33689

If it's true, it isn't a good news at all for Spurs. CSKA is pretty much the team in Europe with the most money.

It is if Diaw/Lorbek is the either/or proposition the vast majority have expected it to be for some time. I'd rather Diaw, if that's the case. Now, if their plan is for Splitter to be the centerpiece of a trade for an athletic, starting power forward, then I'd prefer Lorbek. But as it stands, I'll take the starting power forward, who's a virtual seamless fit over the third center, who's a questionable fit.

With how small teams play now, I can't see Lorbek being able to defend power forwards in the NBA. This is why he's not the fit next to Duncan some think he is. The reason Pop doesn't play Duncan and Splitter together often is twofold. One is, as you said, the lack of spacing. But the other is he's clearly not comfortable with Splitter defending power forwards with any degree of consistency; and Splitter is more mobile than Lorbek. Even if he was comfortable with this idea, who would be the starting power forward? Blair? Then there's the whole adapting to the NBA game, learning the Spurs system, teammates and opponents tendencies, etc. It's not worth it, not at the expense of Diaw.

[Mel_13]

It is if Diaw/Lorbek is the either/or proposition the vast majority have expected it to be for some time. I'd rather Diaw, if that's the case. Now, if their plan is for Splitter to be the centerpiece of a trade for an athletic, starting power forward, then I'd prefer Lorbek. But as it stands, I'll take the starting power forward, who's a virtual seamless fit over the third center, who's a questionable fit.

With how small teams play now, I can't see Lorbek being able to defend power forwards in the NBA. This is why he's not the fit next to Duncan some think he is. The reason Pop doesn't play Duncan and Splitter together often is twofold. One is, as you said, the lack of spacing. But the other is he's clearly not comfortable with Splitter defending power forwards with any degree of consistency; and Splitter is more mobile than Lorbek. Even if he was comfortable with this idea, who would be the starting power forward? Blair? Then there's the whole adapting to the NBA game, learning the Spurs system, teammates and opponents tendencies, etc. It's not worth it, not at the expense of Diaw.

Sums it up.

Seems clear that Lorbek won't sign the below market value contract represented by the BAE. Spurs can only get one of Diaw/Lorbek with the MLE. Diaw is the obvious choice.

[yavozerb]

Sums it up.

Seems clear that Lorbek won't sign the below market value contract represented by the BAE. Spurs can only get one of Diaw/Lorbek with the MLE. Diaw is the obvious choice.

Do you know how much CSKA offered?

[Mel_13]

Do you know how much CSKA offered?

No idea.

I'm making an assumption based on the respective reputations of Lorbek, Barca, and CSKA. If he's fielding offers from those teams, the 2yr/4M BAE won't get him to leave Europe.

[yavozerb]

Your assumption is probably correct but I can also remember this with Tiago and he signed for much less than most here thought possible.

[Bruno]

CSKA have a shitload of money. They gave $4M per year last summer to Kristic. Lorbek should get about the same.

At the end, it will depend on what is Lorbek priority. If it's money, he will go to CSKA (if the rumor of CSKA wanting him is real). If it's comfort, he will stay with Barcelona. If it's the basketball challenge, he will go to Spurs.

[Mel_13]

I can imagine Lorbek passing on more money (CSKA), and more comfort (Barca), in order to accept a Splitter-sized deal to take on the challenge of the NBA. I can't imagine him passing on those things for the BAE.

[TD 21]

Sums it up.

Seems clear that Lorbek won't sign the below market value contract represented by the BAE. Spurs can only get one of Diaw/Lorbek with the MLE. Diaw is the obvious choice.

Yeah and unlike Splitter, Lorbek has never given the impression that the NBA was his first priority. He wasn't interested in coming period until the Spurs acquired his rights and even then, the interest has seemed lukewarm.

And I take back the part where I said this: "Now, if their plan is for Splitter to be the centerpiece of a trade for an athletic, starting power forward, then I'd prefer Lorbek." I'd still take Diaw, because said athletic power forward could serve as the backup center at times and because the ideal role for Diaw is third big anyway. Plus, there's serviceable enough backup center options available in free agency.

[DPG21920]

He is obviously very talented, but I am not thrilled with him coming over. I have serious concerns about his game translating and he is a risk for the money likely involved. Spurs need to take risks, but I'd prefer it to be on someone atheltic and a little younger.

I wouldn't be upset if he comes, but I am not super thrilled about it.

[BackHome]

Well we have to do something cause Boner sure as hell going to lead us to the promise land...

[pad300]

Regarding how much it will cost to sign him, consider this

http://twitter.com/DraftExpress/statuses/217958150333145090
"Sign of the times: Both teams that earned promotion to Spanish 1st divison (ACB) will decline for financial reasons. Tough summer in store."

Teams are declining promotion for financial reasons! I don't see anyone getting large offers in Europe this summer, and getting paid in US$ is looking much more attractive than Euros...

[smaka]

Regarding how much it will cost to sign him, consider this

http://twitter.com/DraftExpress/statuses/217958150333145090
"Sign of the times: Both teams that earned promotion to Spanish 1st divison (ACB) will decline for financial reasons. Tough summer in store."

Teams are declining promotion for financial reasons! I don't see anyone getting large offers in Europe this summer, and getting paid in US$ is looking much more attractive than Euros...

CSKA has a lot of money.........

[ace3g]

Not sure if this helps/hurts Lorbek's chances but CSKA signed Zoran Erceg (PF/C)

http://www.cskabasket.com/news/?id=11323&lang=en

--

Not sure what roster size restrictions are for INT teams, but currently, CSKA has 13 (they had 15 for '11-'12 season).

[BackHome]

Then they are going to have to give him a shit load because it won't be worth much..pesos....

[ace3g]

Emiliano Carchia ‏@SportandoBasket

Ettore Messina said that the rumors about a €44M budget for CSKA are not true but he confirmed that CSKA will have one of the best budgets

[CGD]

Per Chad Ford: "Confirmed. 3 yrs, $15.675M Using MLE RT @HowardBeckNYT: Nets have reached deal in principle with Mirza Teletovic, source says.”

Is this guy comparable to Lorbek? If so, it looks like the market price may have been set for Lorbek -- full MLE.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

dammit the Nets ruins so many things.

[CGD]

Is it odd thAt we are a few days in to free agency and that we havent heard anything about this guy?

[BackHome]

Hell the Nets will be trading him and half their team to Orlando of Dwight and their next three number one draft picks.

[tav1]

Per Chad Ford: "Confirmed. 3 yrs, $15.675M Using MLE RT @HowardBeckNYT: Nets have reached deal in principle with Mirza Teletovic, source says.”

Is this guy comparable to Lorbek? If so, it looks like the market price may have been set for Lorbek -- full MLE.

This doesn't set the market on Lorbek. Splitter's deal is a better gauge because Lorbek isn't a true free agent. If he wants to play in the NBA, he must play with San Antonio. The Spurs are not bidding against anyone else in the Association, which should allow them to keep Lorbek at a reasonable number.

[Pero]

That only applies if he wants to play in the NBA real bad. I doubt he does.

[wildbill2u]

Tough economic times in Europe right now with possibly worse to come later this year according to most economists. Euro is in peril. Spain is particularly hurting right now with high un-employment so basketball may be a luxury Spaniards will not be able to afford.

[pad300]

It has been revealed that Teletovic didn't get the full MLE, he got the "taxpayers" MLE, which means roughly $3M not $5M per year. So we can quit panicking about this deal setting the market.

[Texas_Ranger]

Barcelona just signed Ante Tomič, a center from Real...

[Vic Petro]

Apparently the Spurs are trying to find a real center before turning their attention to Lorbek.

http://www.esport3.cat/noticia/1795332/basquet/Lorbek-valora-la-segona-oferta-del-Barca-pero-es-mante-a-lespera-dels-San-Antonio-Spurs

[stxspurs]

That doesn't sound good. Lorbek might just say screw it and sign overseas.

[Libri]

But it does say that he is still waiting on the Spurs, even though he is second choice.

[Bruno]

Tomorrow's Spanish newspaper "Mundo Deportivo" is saying that Barcelona offered Lorbek the biggest contract of their history on its cover:
http://twitpic.com/a53u58

If it's true, Spurs won't get Lorbek unless he really wants to play in NBA. Few years ago, Barcelona signed Navarro to a huge contract. If their offer to Lorbek is even a little bigger, it will makes tons of money.

Anyway, we will surely know more tomorrow when the newspaper will be available.

[Libri]

Tomorrow's Spanish newspaper "Mundo Deportivo" is saying that Barcelona offered Lorbek the biggest contract of their history on its cover:
http://twitpic.com/a53u58

If it's true, Spurs won't get Lorbek unless he really wants to play in NBA. Few years ago, Barcelona signed Navarro to a huge contract. If their offer to Lorbek is even a little bigger, it will makes tons of money.

Anyway, we will surely know more tomorrow when the newspaper will be available.

How much did Navarro get? I have only found that he signed an extension through 2015.

[Bruno]

How much did Navarro get? I have only found that he signed an extension through 2015.

IIRC, it was something like €10M/4 years. It's quite difficult to compare it euro contracts to NBA contracts with the whole tax issues.

[mountainballer]

How much did Navarro get? I have only found that he signed an extension through 2015.

reports say it's 5 years 12.5 mio EUR net. (currently 15.5 mio $)

[venitian navigator]

anybody knows if ther's an nba escape clause in that contract ?

[Wild Cobra Kai]

anybody knows if ther's an nba escape clause in that contract ?

He's 28 1/2 years old and just signed a contract for 5 years in Europe. Move on. He certainly has.

The next Javtokas, tbh.

[venitian navigator]

...we're gonna contend for the championship with our three main players that are all older than Lorbek...
We are not going to need rookies (kawhi has been a wonderful exception) for competing for the championship...we need veterans.
This year we just had no space for signing Lorbek...next year will be different and at the MLE o something less price (that's probably more of the per year amount he signed in Spain) Lorbek could still be one the best market options for us...

[stxspurs]

Never thought he was gonna be anything

[Wild Cobra Kai]

...we're gonna contend for the championship with our three main players that are all older than Lorbek...
We are not going to need rookies (kawhi has been a wonderful exception) for competing for the championship...we need veterans.
This year we just had no space for signing Lorbek...next year will be different and at the MLE o something less price (that's probably more of the per year amount he signed in Spain) Lorbek could still be one the best market options for us...

Doubtful ANY team would sign him to a 5 year contract with any reasonable buyout after year one.

I don't think he's too old now, but he will be by the time he can get free. Also, by that time, Tim will be gone, and we'll be in full on re-build mode, and have no use for a 30-something Euro big.

Razzy had his chance, and he chose Europe again. He's pretty much a write off, at this point. Keep hoping if it makes you feel better.

[venitian navigator]

Doubtful ANY team would sign him to a 5 year contract with any reasonable buyout after year one.

I don't think he's too old now, but he will be by the time he can get free. Also, by that time, Tim will be gone, and we'll be in full on re-build mode, and have no use for a 30-something Euro big.

Razzy had his chance, and he chose Europe again. He's pretty much a write off, at this point. Keep hoping if it makes you feel better.


I share your some doubts about the chance to have him in our team next year as I share your considerations about the fact that he will probably be too old when he'll have the chance to escape from his contract...but all these are things we can only suppose.
So, I was just asking if someone had some accurate informations about his contract... 'cause the chance to have him for next year, also if is a small chance, is, imho, intriguing enough to be worth some kind of attention and consideration...

[admiralsnackbar]

I was just asking if someone had some accurate informations about his contract... 'cause the chance to have him for next year, also if is a small chance, is, imho, intriguing enough to be worth some kind of attention and consideration...

Do you have a reason for suspecting this post (submitted just a few posts above your first) is inaccurate?


reports say it's 5 years 12.5 mio EUR net. (currently 15.5 mio $)

[venitian navigator]

Do you have a reason for suspecting this post (submitted just a few posts above your first) is inaccurate?

No. But that post doesn't say nothing about the existence of an nba escape clause...that's the only point I was asking about.

[admiralsnackbar]

No. But that post doesn't say nothing about the existence of an nba escape clause...that's the only point I was asking about.
Fair enough, although it would seem the question is moot given the Spurs' cap situation (and the fact that we didn't sign him when we had the chance).

[Bruno]

Lorbek signed a 3 years contract:
http://www.fcbarcelona.es/baloncesto/barca-regal/detalle/noticia/acuerdo-para-la-renovacion-de-erazem-lorbek

I haven't followed news about him once it was clear it would stay in Barcelona so I don't know if there are some NBA out options in his new contract.

[venitian navigator]

Lorbek signed a 3 years contract:
http://www.fcbarcelona.es/baloncesto/barca-regal/detalle/noticia/acuerdo-para-la-renovacion-de-erazem-lorbek

I haven't followed news about him once it was clear it would stay in Barcelona so I don't know if there are some NBA out options in his new contract.

Thanks, Bruno!

[mountainballer]

No. But that post doesn't say nothing about the existence of an nba escape clause...that's the only point I was asking about.

btw. "that post" was an answer to a question about the contract Navarro got from Barcelona. not to mistake with the Lorbek contract numbers.

[ace3g]

Lorbek and FC Barcelona are playing the Mavs right now on NBATV

[ChuckD]

Why are people still talking about this clown? He made his choice, and locked himself in in Europe until long past the age he could make the jump. He was borderline that age this summer before choosing.

[ABC]

I'm assuming Lorbek is never going to be a Spur, but... does anyone know if he has an NBA out option for this summer? If so, does anyone think the Spurs still have interest?

[Bruno]

Lorbek is having a very disappointing season. I'm sure Barcelona would welcome freeing him of his contract instead of having to give Lorbek a huge salary for his poor production.

Saying that, I don't see why Spurs would be interested in giving Lorbek the big contract it would take for him to leave Barcelona. After his bad season, they likely think they dodged a bullet with Lorbek deciding to stay in Spain last summer.

[ABC]

Thanks Bruno. I didn't follow him, but his numbers definitely looked worse this year. Seems like he might have been playing for a contract last year and once he got it lost his motivation.

[Penya]

I believe he has lost all his motivation to play basketball. It's kind of funny how Jawai lost a lot of weight through the season and Lorbek got fatter. Probably that wouldn't have happened if he had signed a contract with the Spurs, but that's something we'll never know.

[Drom John]

From tdunk21 in Spurs Forum free agency thread:

According to Sportando.com, Slovenian center Erazem Lorbek and FC Barcelona are in the process of a contract buyout with Lorbek entering the final year of his contract.
Though he was originally drafted by the Indiana Pacers, Lorbek’s draft rights are held by the San Antonio Spurs, as they acquired Lorbek’s rights in the draft night trade for Kawhi Leonard, when the Spurs sent George Hill to the Indiana Pacers in 2011.
http://projectspurs.com/2014-article...ct-buyout.html

[CGD]

Forgot all about this guy. Probably trying to get a better co tract with another euro club. At 30 his shot at the nba seems slim.

[spurraider21]

turned the page on him once Bertans was drafted. this guy is 30...

[smaka]

turned the page on him once Bertans was drafted. this guy is 30...
And becoming injury prone, at least it looks like. Last year it was the knee, this year it is the ankle.

[Chinook]

turned the page on him once Bertans was drafted. this guy is 30...

They were acquired in the same draft.

[spurraider21]

They were acquired in the same draft.
i stand corrected then. lorbek is considerably older, and i just think his window has passed

[Chinook]

i stand corrected then. lorbek is considerably older, and i just think his window has passed

Sure, and I agree. Was just clarifying that most of us didn't even know that Lorbek was part of the Hill trade until after Bertans was drafted.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

i stand corrected then. lorbek is considerably older, and i just think his window has passed

I agree. And isn't this proof that draft and stash is wasteful? are Manu/Splitter the exception or the rule?

[stnick2261]

I agree. And isn't this proof that draft and stash is wasteful? are Manu/Splitter the exception or the rule?

For Splitter it's the rule of a first rounder being successful, developing, and making it over to an open roster spot.

For Manu it's the exception for a 2nd to last pick in the draft to develop and make it over.

It may be wasteful when a foreign pick doesn't pan out... but it may be because:
1) they weren't good enough for the NBA
2) they were good enough for the NBA, but not good enough to beat out a player already on the NBA roster
3) they don't like the US or team/FO culture
4) they can make more money or be a star overseas rather than fight for playing time in the NBA

For the case that they are good enough for the NBA, but not good enough to make the team (that holds their rights)... I'd love to see a rule change.
After 3 years, the drafted player is no longer bound by rookie scale (applies only to 1st round picks)... but I'd like to see them add to that... if a player is not added to the team by the player's age of 30, he becomes a free agent and available to all teams.

[spurraider21]

I agree. And isn't this proof that draft and stash is wasteful? are Manu/Splitter the exception or the rule?
draft and stash is a viable strategy if your roster/cap situation doesn't really want rookie guaranteed deals. with 2nd round picks, you might as well. most 2nd rounders don't make final rosters, and most are d-league fodder that don't get called up. if thats the case, you're better off taking an international with more upside, who might take 3-5 years to come over instead of burning it on a guy like jack mcclinton

[Darkwaters]

Erazem Lorbek Agrees To Buyout With Barcelona
Aug 28, 2014 9:57 AM EDT

Erazem Lorbek and Barcelona have agreed upon a contract buyout.

Lorbek was originally drafted by the Indiana Pacers, but his draft rights were dealt to the San Antonio Spurs as part of the Kawhi Leonard trade in 2011.

The Spurs have just one remaining roster spot available.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/234740/Erazem-Lorbek-Agrees-To-Buyout-With-Barcelona

[Uriel]

Project Spurs is reporting Lorbek is hoping to join the Spurs.

http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/report-erazem-lorbek-hoping-to-join-the-spurs.html

What a douchebag. He spurned us 2 years ago in favor of Europe because he wanted to earn more money. But now that his career is in shambles, he comes crying back to us, hoping that we'll take him back? :lol

[exstatic]

Project Spurs is reporting Lorbek is hoping to join the Spurs.

http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/report-erazem-lorbek-hoping-to-join-the-spurs.html

What a douchebag. He spurned us 2 years ago in favor of Europe because he wanted to earn more money. But now that his career is in shambles, he comes crying back to us, hoping that we'll take him back? :lol

No room at the inn. Maybe he and Boursis can get together to discuss who is the biggest idiot for not signing here.

[Uriel]

No room at the inn. Maybe he and Boursis can get together to discuss who is the biggest idiot for not signing here.
I totally forgot about that guy. :lmao Kill_Bill_Pana.

[sinok]

Wait for spanoulis to join the dance :downspin: