Well, Well, Well....

[pancakechef]

Interesting moves for the Spurs. Preface by saying that this was ultimately the worst draft (player-wise) I have ever seen.

I was glad to see TP not shipped for the Sacramento rumors. Let him play the first few weeks get the value high again then move him at the beginning of the season. I would like to see him packaged with RJ, Bonner to give us something.

I was glad to see Hill moved. I liked the kid and the effort that he brought. But his demeanor off the court was sketchy and he had no offensive game so-to-speak.

Lets get into the draft-

Leonard: Do we really need another tweener? SDSU requires a high tempo game. If our "coach" tries to push the tempo he will be a decent fit. But he has limited post moves. To me, this is another Blair without the girth. The best part of his game is rebounding, similarly so is Blair's.

If the tempo is high like it was IN THE REGULAR SEASON and we are shopping Blair (in a package) this could be a great pick. If we play half court BS because our coach thinks that Tim and McDyess can dominate the post like we did in the PLAYOFFS it was a tremendous waste. Although we did get rid of some garbage in Hill.

Joseph- Ultimate FAIL. Has trouble getting off a shot and doesnt dribble well. Being a G he passes at best like Hill. Floor vision problems in an uptempo style of play..... need I go further? Sure. He doesnt shoot free throws well and compared to Daniel Gibson (YIKES). I have no idea about this pick.

I would say that this draft went well for us because we got rid of Hill and DID NOT settle for garbage players for TP. There is nothing we have acquired that is great.

Goes back to coaching. Play the young guys this year, get rid of Parker. Get into the lottery. Draft Sullinger.

[Buddy Holly]

Goes back to coaching. Play the young guys this year, get rid of Parker. Get into the lottery. Draft Sullinger.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_gWQaU40PH24/TKkxGtHTpXI/AAAAAAAAJcI/Yn7xpfYz8uk/s1600/wh-double-facepalm%25252525255B1%25252525255D.jpg

Btw, never post again.

[jimo2305]

lol @ sullinger..

[hater]

If we play half court BS because our coach thinks that Tim and McDyess can dominate the post like we did in the PLAYOFFS it was a tremendous waste. Although we did get rid of some garbage in Hill.

http://nerdnirvana.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/facepalm-baby.jpg

[pancakechef]

Epic fail why? Because none listed can play half court offense. Notice the people on here who have watched either two of them play. Answer: slim to none.

[Cessation]

^ lol, nice one

[Mr. Body]

One of the worst threads I'VE EVER SEEN.

[Cessation]

^ Quite so, I hope the op was trolling, for his sake.

[manufan10]

The level of trolling on this board is getting lower and lower. C'mon trolls, raise the bar!!

[Stalin]

this guy is a disgrace to trolls everywhere,

[baseline bum]

Drafting Sullinger is a lot better idea than trading Parker to draft fucking Klay Thompson. The bar for bad ideas has been set really low by the Hill homers the last couple of days.

[SpurCharger]

This Is Bad..... And you compared Kawhi Leonard to Dejuan Blair.... Trust me.... They will Be total Opposites...

[cutewizard]

it seems we get bowen 2.0

hehe

[cutewizard]

good moves by the Spurs so far, but WE NEED A BIG!!!!

[cutewizard]

or a couple of bigs!

[pancakechef]

This guy is athletic that has only an elbow J. Need I say more?

I will: Taking into consideration THAT HE PLAYED AT SDSU. A run and gun offense with no half court play.... HOW exactly does he fit here?
MAybe the steal of the 2011 draft. Would not be drafted 2012.
IT WONT MATTER IF WE STILL PLAY HALF COURT tempo how athletic he is.

Gotta love the Homers.

[pancakechef]

Sullinger is the best big coming out next year. Unless you want a HS kid who is 80lbs lighter

[5in10]

Pretty sure I read that sdsu actually had the slowest paced offense in the whole NCAA. Why do people make threads like this without research. Clearly ur pulling everyhing out of your ass.

[GSH]

Pretty sure I read that sdsu actually had the slowest paced offense in the whole NCAA. Why do people make threads like this without research. Clearly ur pulling everyhing out of your ass.

You are correct, sir.

[pancakechef]

Not true at all....

They avg'd 71+ ppg and 57+ FGA per game

FAR FROM LAST.

In the Mountain West Conference..... BLAH

[Leetonidas]

No one gives a shit about your random thoughts on the Spurs' moves

[Leetonidas]

Especially because they're fucking stupid. lol draft Sullinger :lmao

[Mel_13]

I will: Taking into consideration THAT HE PLAYED AT SDSU. A run and gun offense with no half court play.... HOW exactly does he fit here?
MAybe the steal of the 2011 draft. Would not be drafted 2012.
IT WONT MATTER IF WE STILL PLAY HALF COURT tempo how athletic he is.

Gotta love the Homers.

Leonard played on one of the slowest-paced teams in college basketball, likely due to his team's mediocre guard play.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kawhi-Leonard-5821/

SDSU: 271st in tempo among all 345 NCAA teams.

http://kenpom.com/stats.php?s=RankAdjTempo


Gotta love the ill-informed.

[pancakechef]

Leonard played on one of the slowest-paced teams in college basketball, likely due to his team's mediocre guard play.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kawhi-Leonard-5821/

SDSU: 271st in tempo among all 345 NCAA teams.

http://kenpom.com/stats.php?s=RankAdjTempo


Gotta love the ill-informed.

HAHAHAHAHAHA please READ the ARTICLE THAT YOU POSTED. Points PER POSSESSION, INABILITY TO CREATE SHOT, NOT GETTING TO FT LINE, ISOLATION %, INABILITY TO FINISH.....

Sounds like he really played a half court game.... Nice try though.


First I would recommend you watch the game in addition to taking these "stats" into consideration. If you havent seen him play other than youtube its best you keep your mouth shut.

[Mel_13]

THAT HE PLAYED AT SDSU. A run and gun offense with no half court play


Leonard played on one of the slowest-paced teams in college basketball, likely due to his team's mediocre guard play.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kawhi-Leonard-5821/

SDSU: 271st in tempo among all 345 NCAA teams.

http://kenpom.com/stats.php?s=RankAdjTempo


Gotta love the ill-informed.

[pancakechef]

LOOK AT HOW HE SCORED. Just because they didnt use transition effectively doesnt mean they did not run the ball.

The Aztecs can play a few different ways, excelling in an up-tempo early offense and transition style, while also scoring efficiently in the halfcourt in the post and off of cuts.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/article/209942#ixzz1QXpGIWM5

Gay on Temple trying to slow down San Diego State's fast tempo: "We definitely try and play an uptempo game, try to speed it up. When teams try to slow it down on us, we might come out more aggressive on the defensive end

Again you need to watch the games. Then comment. They sped the game up and tried to be extremely aggressive on defense to turn it into transition offense.

[Mel_13]

THAT HE PLAYED AT SDSU. A run and gun offense with no half court play




SDSU: 271st in tempo among all 345 NCAA teams.

http://kenpom.com/stats.php?s=RankAdjTempo

[tp2021]

You should stick to pancakes.

[dbestpro]

To understand Leonard's game, he is the anti-Jefferson. He will do everything he needs to do without the ball in his hands. Avatar is not coming here to play iso and take people off the dribble. He is here to be a junkyard dog and cleanup other people's mistakes. For our team, he is the perfect fit.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Epic fail why? Because none listed can play half court offense. Notice the people on here who have watched either two of them play. Answer: slim to none.

I've seen Leonard play. I can't figure out what's more comical:

That you're worried about his post moves, or that you think Sulliinger is the key to our future and worth tanking for.

[TJastal]

To understand Leonard's game, he is the anti-Jefferson. He will do everything he needs to do without the ball in his hands. Avatar is not coming here to play iso and take people off the dribble. He is here to be a junkyard dog and cleanup other people's mistakes. For our team, he is the perfect fit.

Who is gonna clean up "avatar's" mistakes?

[pancakechef]

I've seen Leonard play. I can't figure out what's more comical:

That you're worried about his post moves, or that you think Sulliinger is the key to our future and worth tanking for.


I guess the most comical thing about it is that you think we dont need a big and that Parker is OUR FUTURE.

Impressive.

[Mr. Body]

Is it too early to vote pancakechef as Worst Newcomer/Worst Poster of the Year?

[pancakechef]

And Again the no opinionated "everything the spurs do is right" shows up...

Great work. Maybe pop needs a yes man

[Man In Black]

This guy is athletic that has only an elbow J. Need I say more?

I will: Taking into consideration THAT HE PLAYED AT SDSU. A run and gun offense with no half court play.... HOW exactly does he fit here?
MAybe the steal of the 2011 draft. Would not be drafted 2012.
IT WONT MATTER IF WE STILL PLAY HALF COURT tempo how athletic he is.

Gotta love the Homers.


Seriously admit it...you didn't even know the team was Aztecs much less you don't realize that they're not a run & gun team. YOU'RE A LOSER!

[Mr. Body]

Wasn't SDSU a pretty slow-paced team?

[5in10]

And Again the no opinionated "everything the spurs do is right" shows up...

Great work. Maybe pop needs a yes man

His back is really against the wall now.

[pancakechef]

So you are telling me that even though the coach says they push the pace, and the PG states that they are a fast paced team, AND the opposing players are questioned about how they SLOW DOWN SDSU

they play a possession half court offense?

Nicely done. You guys are all idiots. Just because YOU CANT SCORE IN A HALF COURT SET doesnt make you a half court team. That was the whole reason they are considered a running team. They blew at half court.

WOW. dumbest fans in america right here

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Not true at all....

They avg'd 71+ ppg and 57+ FGA per game

FAR FROM LAST.

In the Mountain West Conference..... BLAH


Yes, the Mountain West is a horrible basketball conference. Another good call. Stick to making the pancakes.


Final NCAA Conference RPI Rankings
Rank Conference Avg. RPI Avg. SOS SOS Rank Teams
1 Big East 0.5796 0.5769 1 16
2 Big Ten 0.5748 0.5725 2 11
3 Big 12 0.5725 0.5628 3 12
4 Mountain West 0.5601 0.5573 4 9
5 Atlantic Coast 0.5554 0.5505 6 12
6 Southeastern 0.5530 0.5533 5 12
7 Pacific-10 0.5443 0.5474 7 10
8 Conference USA 0.5366 0.5304 8 12
9 Atlantic 10 0.5256 0.5285 9 14
10 Colonial Athletic 0.5240 0.5218 10 12
11 Horizon League 0.5137 0.5134 11 10
12 Missouri Valley 0.5118 0.5120 12 10
13 Western Athletic 0.5107 0.5045 14 9
14 West Coast 0.5012 0.5084 13 8
15 Ivy League 0.4990 0.4924 16 8
16 Metro Atlantic Athletic 0.4909 0.4928 15 10
17 Atlantic Sun 0.4734 0.4746 19 11
18 Northeast 0.4726 0.4757 18 12
19 Southern 0.4699 0.4723 20 12
20 Mid-American 0.4689 0.4764 17 12
21 Summit 0.4687 0.4694 23 10
22 Big South 0.4666 0.4706 22 10
23 Sun Belt 0.4657 0.4712 21 12
24 Big Sky 0.4650 0.4652 24 9
25 Patriot League 0.4631 0.4611 27 8
26 Big West 0.4627 0.4640 25 9
27 Ohio Valley 0.4617 0.4581 28 10
28 America East 0.4596 0.4620 26 9
29 Southland 0.4526 0.4516 29 12
30 Mid-Eastern 0.4305 0.4387 30 11
31 Southwestern Athletic 0.4089 0.4189 32 10
32 Independents 0.3986 0.4261 31 13

[Mr. Body]

I've never seen a poster get owned in multiple threads the way this pancake guy is getting.

[Mel_13]

I've never seen a poster get owned in multiple threads the way this pancake guy is getting.

He's got a long way to go:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157895

[sexinthatsx]

Newbcakes you should seriously considering leaving the thread alone... you're digging yourself a deeper grave

[pancakechef]

And you should stop drinking the Kool Aide of the Mountain West being a power basketball factory.

The fun stopped with the RPI rolling out. Joke is on you

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I guess the most comical thing about it is that you think we dont need a big and that Parker is OUR FUTURE.

Impressive.

Where did I say we don't need a big?

I hate watching Bonner let this team down postseason after postseason and average as many rebounds per game as me. I guess you're thinking we were going to find a good big man in the draft? :lol

And where did I say Parker is the future?

I'd like to trade him, but not for the dogshit that teams were offering prior to the draft.

[pancakechef]

You insinuated that trading Parker for Sullinger would be a waste, or make us less of a team.

No, I didnt think we were going to find a good big man in the draft. Which is why I stated that we should give up Parker for a top pick next year. I am with you on the offers for Parker. But the reality is when he BLOWS multiple playoffs in a row we arent getting much more than dog shit for him anyway.

My name on another site was TradeTp. I posted this would happen two years ago. Once Duncan hit the "average" Parker would be exposed, MUCH LIKE POP. If we traded Parker two years ago, we would have had something. Now we have to pray he goes off the first 20 games double-double style, then trade his french ass.

Additionally, the rate of good players in the NBA is dropping. We will never find another big that fits our standards.

[Stalin]

5 star thread, would read again, and recommend to friends and family

[pancakechef]

Get the view count up and I can start advertising SDSU basketball camp.

Here's what we do next year. Trade all of our players and Just draft the whole team.

Why not? They were coached by Steve Fisher. You know, the greatest college coach of all time!

If SDSU can make it to the sweet 16 once every thousand years there is no way they couldnt beat the Memphis Grizzlies!

[Stalin]

Get the view count up and I can start advertising SDSU basketball camp.

Here's what we do next year. Trade all of our players and Just draft the whole team.

Why not? They were coached by Steve Fisher. You know, the greatest college coach of all time!

If SDSU can make it to the sweet 16 once every thousand years there is no way they couldnt beat the Memphis Grizzlies!

It is posts like this, that make me feel you deserve a medal.

[pancakechef]

thank you

[jjktkk]

He's got a long way to go:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157895

:lol

[pancakechef]

the RMJ comment was not nearly as funny as those who favored McDyess for 2 years... And continued to sing his praises.... And still think he is better than anyone on the team

[Calispursfan11]

Can you make the mickey mouse pancakes? My kids love those.

[pancakechef]

Can you make the mickey mouse pancakes? My kids love those.

Hilarious you have kids and are on a "message board"

[Buddy Holly]

Hilarious you have kids and are on a "message board"

...
.....
.......
.........

That insult was too dumb for words.

[pancakechef]

why because the thought of a 40 year old man with kids on a message board is normal?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You insinuated that trading Parker for Sullinger would be a waste, or make us less of a team.

It would. It would go down as the worst trade in the history of the NBA. Teams would view whichever team got him as getting over on us like LA got over on Memphis for Pau.

Anyway, enough feeding the pancake troll...

[pancakechef]

Well I guess you are confused with what we need then?

WE dont need a pg who CANT pass the ball, create for wings, defend, or come up big in playoffs.

WE DO need a big who can score and is physical.

Maybe Sullinger would be a bust. But Parker has proven he isnt a leader, a piece to build around, or a top PG in the league without all the correct pieces around him.

Back to teaching the masses

[ohmwrecker]

So, the Spurs need a rookie project big at the expense of a starting top 10 PG? Really?

[pgardn]

Hilarious you have kids and are on a "message board"

Yes it clearly states in the FAQ and board rules that men with children ARE NOT allowed on a pro basketball discussion site.

christ....

[pancakechef]

Ohm: When we get a top 10 PG you let me know.

PG: It doesnt say so in the FAQ but all grown men know not to patrol a message board.

Its okay though, I make enough so that taxes can pay for your kids meals..... and internet

[jjktkk]

Ohm: When we get a top 10 PG you let me know.

This is just too easy. Here yea go ihop:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/359430-top-10-point-guards-in-the-nba-today.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/2010-11-nba-preview-top-10-point-guards

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=12&ved=0CB4QFjABOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsports.yahoo.com%2Fnba%2Fblog%2Fb all_dont_lie%2Fpost%2FRanking-the-point-guards-10-through-No-1%3Furn%3Dnba-263267&ei=n0cKTsnPNbPZiAKP86DWAQ&usg=AFQjCNGRJvkRF5KgtGiIfRXlvz8R2F662Q

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=16&ved=0CDsQFjAFOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.nesn.com%2F2011%2F03%2Ftop-10-point-guards-in-nba%2F&ei=n0cKTsnPNbPZiAKP86DWAQ&usg=AFQjCNFARrJ7ioAvUqoACGAKWOswDp2SRQ

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=12&ved=0CB4QFjABOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsports.yahoo.com%2Fnba%2Fblog%2Fb all_dont_lie%2Fpost%2FRanking-the-point-guards-10-through-No-1%3Furn%3Dnba-263267&ei=nEgKTrHpL9PUiALvgr3fAQ&usg=AFQjCNGRJvkRF5KgtGiIfRXlvz8R2F662Q

It sure seems that the majority of the NBA world, not to mention knowledgable ST posters know that Parker is easily a top ten pg. But keep voicing your expert opinion.

[Calispursfan11]

Hilarious you have kids and are on a "message board"

I didn't know making flapjacks was part of the message board police academy curriculum. Good to know!

[pancakechef]

This is just too easy. Here yea go ihop:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/359430-top-10-point-guards-in-the-nba-today.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/2010-11-nba-preview-top-10-point-guards

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=12&ved=0CB4QFjABOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsports.yahoo.com%2Fnba%2Fblog%2Fb all_dont_lie%2Fpost%2FRanking-the-point-guards-10-through-No-1%3Furn%3Dnba-263267&ei=n0cKTsnPNbPZiAKP86DWAQ&usg=AFQjCNGRJvkRF5KgtGiIfRXlvz8R2F662Q

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=16&ved=0CDsQFjAFOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.nesn.com%2F2011%2F03%2Ftop-10-point-guards-in-nba%2F&ei=n0cKTsnPNbPZiAKP86DWAQ&usg=AFQjCNFARrJ7ioAvUqoACGAKWOswDp2SRQ

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=12&ved=0CB4QFjABOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsports.yahoo.com%2Fnba%2Fblog%2Fb all_dont_lie%2Fpost%2FRanking-the-point-guards-10-through-No-1%3Furn%3Dnba-263267&ei=nEgKTrHpL9PUiALvgr3fAQ&usg=AFQjCNGRJvkRF5KgtGiIfRXlvz8R2F662Q

It sure seems that the majority of the NBA world, not to mention knowledgable ST posters know that Parker is easily a top ten pg. But keep voicing your expert opinion.

I actually wanted to see what kind of stupidity you came up with. So I clicked the first link. IT WAS WRITTEN pre-playoffs 2010.

Im sure if you get an article written from his MVP days you would find a similar article.

Great job!!! you definitely proved me wrong.

Dumb

[Calispursfan11]

"...Starting a thread with short titles like "So" or "Did you see" or anything such as this doesn't help anyone."

"5. Being Lame - There are several things that I personally think are lame and don't like here. If you repeatedly do some of these things, I'll warn you about it.

A. Starting too many threads about topics not related to the Spurs in the Spurs forum. This is alright every once in a while, but shouldn't be all the time.
B. Starting threads about every thought that pops into your head without looking around to find a topic on the same subject. This is usually done by drama queen posters who need some attention."

-SpursTalk FAQ-

[pancakechef]

I actually wanted to see what kind of stupidity you came up with. So I clicked the first link. IT WAS WRITTEN pre-playoffs 2010.

Im sure if you get an article written from his MVP days you would find a similar article.

Great job!!! you definitely proved me wrong.

Dumb

Sorry you cant justify TP being a top ten...

HOMERS