View Full Version : The most overrated player in NBA history
Nathan89
06-28-2011, 07:22 PM
2000 Finals-36.7%
2001 Finals-41.5%
2002 Finals-51%
2004 Finals-38%
2008 Finals-40.5%
2009 Finals-43%
2010 Finals-40.5%
2000vsPor-43.9%
2002vsSac-41.8%
redzero
06-28-2011, 07:27 PM
Hmm, which player could this thread POSSIBLY be about?
mindcrime
06-28-2011, 07:52 PM
2000 Finals-36.7%
2001 Finals-41.5%
2002 Finals-51%
2004 Finals-38%
2008 Finals-40.5%
2009 Finals-43%
2010 Finals-40.5%
2000vsPor-43.9%
2002vsSac-41.8%
Kobe may not have the best shooting percentage, but damn 7 finals appearances in an 11 year period really says something. I can't stand the douche but still have to give him his props.
ElNono
06-28-2011, 07:53 PM
Derek Fisher?
Jodelo
06-28-2011, 07:59 PM
This percentages are horrible!
Hooks
06-28-2011, 08:04 PM
2000 Finals-36.7%
2001 Finals-41.5%
2002 Finals-51%
2004 Finals-38%
2008 Finals-40.5%
2009 Finals-43%
2010 Finals-40.5%
2000vsPor-43.9%
2002vsSac-41.8%
Hmmm.. those are the #'s of a chucker...but who could it be?
baseline bum
06-28-2011, 08:31 PM
Looks like this mystery man was a tired shitbag even before getting old.
Greg Oden
06-28-2011, 08:32 PM
Kobe may not have the best shooting percentage, but damn 7 finals appearances in an 11 year period really says something. I can't stand the douche but still have to give him his props.
It says he's been on some stacked teams.
IronMexican
06-28-2011, 08:34 PM
:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt:
Without class. I'll take it.
KobeOwnsDuncan
06-28-2011, 08:36 PM
Most overrated player in NBA History? Tim Duncan, without a question
ElNono
06-28-2011, 08:51 PM
Jerome James?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_HvnrtGqYrfY/Ryl9fCN5VnI/AAAAAAAAAtk/JVVwyQxIsp4/s400/Jerome%2BJames.jpg
Lebron James
No one with hardware comes close.
Amaso
06-28-2011, 09:25 PM
Could someone post me Kobe's FG% against SA (never seen them before).
ALVAREZ6
06-28-2011, 09:50 PM
lmao those FG%s aren't even that bad given each year individually represents a small number of games and against some of the better teams in the league.
dunkman
06-28-2011, 09:57 PM
Kobe was lucky to play with Shaq, Gasol / Bynum / Odom, otherwise would have won nothing.
lefty
06-28-2011, 10:22 PM
Shaq
Venti Quattro
06-28-2011, 11:19 PM
Jim Dunan lol 10/27
pass1st
06-28-2011, 11:21 PM
Lebron didn't have 7 final appearances....
Venti Quattro
06-28-2011, 11:22 PM
Lebron didn't have 7 final appearances....
He wasn't playing on stacked teams :cry
GoodOdor
06-28-2011, 11:51 PM
2000-2003 the de facto finals were against the spurs. Would be interesting to see kobe's stats in those series.....if memory serves, he played really well in almost each one(possible exception 2003 where bowen outscored him in game6).
ElNono
06-28-2011, 11:54 PM
TJ Ford?
dunkman
06-29-2011, 12:14 AM
In '00 the championship was decided in the Lakers vs. Blazers series. During the "meltdown" there were goaltendings, no called fouls and other details that benefited the Lakers. The refs sucked too much, it was strange, but there is no information to think it was rigged, the Blazers were also unable to make jumpers. Duncan was injured, and the Spurs were out in first round against the Suns if I recall well.
In '01 the Lakers were much better than any other team, it was the most dominant playoffs run ever. Horace Grant was a very significant upgrade over AC Green, also Kobe started playing much better. Juwan Howard injured Derek Anderson vs Dallas. He was the Spurs second scorer and third best player. Undersized Daniels had to guard Kobe and the bench was left anemic. DA never fully recovered.
In '02 the Kings vs. Lakers series was the most contested. One of the refs said the NBA made the Kings lose game 6 (the Kings were to close out the Lakers), there is not much to talk there. However the Lakers were better than the Spurs that year.
NewcastleKEG
06-29-2011, 03:32 PM
Kobe may not have the best shooting percentage, but damn 7 finals appearances in an 11 year period really says something. I can't stand the douche but still have to give him his props.
He plays for the Yankees of the NBA.....with Shaq, Gasol, Bynum & Odom
Kobe = Jeter
cesare borgia
06-29-2011, 03:46 PM
What about the TS%?
Roger Freemason Jr.
06-29-2011, 04:19 PM
Why do you people do this? Kobe is a freaking legend, & he's an amazing basketball player, there's no disputing that. He would have done it big with or without Gasol (can't say Shaq) But I'm sorry, for those of you who say he's better than Duncan, that's just not correct.
NewcastleKEG
06-29-2011, 04:45 PM
Why do you people do this? Kobe is a freaking legend, & he's an amazing basketball player, there's no disputing that. He would have done it big with or without Gasol (can't say Shaq) But I'm sorry, for those of you who say he's better than Duncan, that's just not correct.
Without Gasol = Kobe doesn't win any post Shaq titles
My link, source, evidence is the 4 seasons after Shaq left......Kobe was missing the playoffs, losing in 1st Rounds and quitting on his team mates in Game 7's of a playoff series
Nathan89
06-29-2011, 04:50 PM
Without Gasol = Kobe doesn't win any post Shaq titles
My link, source, evidence is the 4 seasons after Shaq left......Kobe was missing the playoffs, losing in 1st Rounds and quitting on his team mates in Game 7's of a playoff series
Without Gasol, Kobe might be playing for the Bulls.
namlook
06-29-2011, 07:37 PM
The most overrated players are those who get lots of praise and never win when it matters.
namlook
06-29-2011, 07:40 PM
Without Gasol = Kobe doesn't win any post Shaq titles
My link, source, evidence is the 4 seasons after Shaq left......Kobe was missing the playoffs, losing in 1st Rounds and quitting on his team mates in Game 7's of a playoff series
What's the point? Everyone needs great players around them to win. Jordan put up numbers but lost every year he played without Pippen. Jordan would have kept losing without Pippen or another similarly great player joining him.
Spurtacus
06-29-2011, 08:13 PM
What's the point? Everyone needs great players around them to win. Jordan put up numbers but lost every year he played without Pippen. Jordan would have kept losing without Pippen or another similarly great player joining him.
2003 Duncan says hi. Manu's rookie year, Parker's 2nd year, and Robinson was way past his prime at 37 years old.
dunkman
06-29-2011, 08:58 PM
What about the TS%?
It should be better than what it looks the FG%, since he shots 3's and goes to the FT line frequently, but I don't think it's on par with other all time greats. Kobe played on teams with a lot of talent and he wasn't the main reason why the Lakers won 5 titles (or 4 really, since it's a fact the '02 WCF was rigged).
KobeOwnsDuncan
06-29-2011, 08:59 PM
2003 Duncan says hi. Manu's rookie year, Parker's 2nd year, and Robinson was way past his prime at 37 years old.
Steven Jackson, Bruce Bowen, and a clutch Steve Kerr say hi
joshdaboss
06-29-2011, 09:00 PM
Steven Jackson, Bruce Bowen, and a clutch Steve Kerr say hi
Look up their statistics. LOL @ this. Poor trolling; not even close to being plausible.
namlook
06-30-2011, 05:01 PM
2003 Duncan says hi. Manu's rookie year, Parker's 2nd year, and Robinson was way past his prime at 37 years old.
Duncan is one of the best players in NBA history but he also had plenty of talent around him. Robinson is a Hall Of Famer and while not in his prime was still one of the better defensive big men at that time. One of the major reasons the Lakers lost to the Spurs in 2003 was Robinson's defense on a slightly slowed down Shaq. Manu will be a HOF. He was an NBA rookie but he was no 21 year old fresh out of college. He was an older rookie with plenty of international experience and was a Euroloeague MVP before joining the NBA. Parker also has a shot at the HOF depending on how the rest of his career goes. So you are talking two and possibly three HOFers Duncan had around him. Then Bowen who is one of the best perimeter defenders in NBA history. Stephen Jackson who was a clutch shooter and with increased playing time went on to be a 20 PPG scorer. Kerr: one of the top clutch shooting role players in NBA history. Collectively as a group, that's a lot of talent around Duncan.
Look up their statistics. LOL @ this. Poor trolling; not even close to being plausible.
You don't measure things like David Robinson's or Bruce Bowen's defensive impact with stats although you could look Bowen's 44% 3 PT FGs if you wants stats (He was #1 in 3PT shooting in the NBA in 2002-2003.)
namlook
06-30-2011, 05:22 PM
It should be better than what it looks the FG%, since he shots 3's and goes to the FT line frequently, but I don't think it's on par with other all time greats. Kobe played on teams with a lot of talent and he wasn't the main reason why the Lakers won 5 titles (or 4 really, since it's a fact the '02 WCF was rigged).
This type of attitude is so lacking in objectivity or balance or common sense it's pointless to even try to engage with BS like this. To downplay a guy who has won five rings and is so talented he has won multiple league and finals MVPs and scored 81 points in a game is just laughable and absurd. One guy in NBA history has scored more points in a game (and that was against inferior competition compared to the modern game.) That's just a ridiculous level of talent. Every NBA all-time great player deserves their due and Kobe is clearly one of them. That issue is not even open to debate anymore. It's an open and shut case.
Spurtacus
06-30-2011, 05:31 PM
Duncan had plenty of talent around him. Robinson is a Hall Of Famer and while not in his prime was still one of the better defensive big men at that time. One of the major reasons the Lakers lost to the Spurs in 2003 was Robinson's defense on a slightly slowed down Shaq. Manu will be a HOF. He was an NBA rookie but he was no 21 year old fresh out of college. He was an older rookie with plenty of international experience and was a Euroloeague MVP before joining the NBA. Parker also has a shot at the HOF depending on how the rest of his career goes. So you are talking two and possibly three HOFers Duncan had around him. Then Bowen who is one of the best perimeter defenders in NBA history. Stephen Jackson who was a clutch shooter and with increased playing time went on to be a 20 PPG scorer. Kerr: one of the top clutch shooting role players in NBA history. Collectively as a group, that's a lot of talent around Duncan.
You don't measure things like David Robinson's or Bruce Bowen's defensive impact with stats although you could look Bowen's 44% 3 PT FGs if you wants stats (He was #1 in 3 PT shooting in the NBA in 2002-2003.)
Talent is one thing, but this was the quote I responded to: "Everyone needs great players around them to win. "
Other then Robinson there were no GREAT players on the Spurs 2003 roster. Parker and Manu were young with no rings, no AS appearances, and nothing to indicate they could be future HOFers and be who they are now. Robinson was still a good player even in his final season but nothing like Gasol or Shaq was to Kobe or Pippen to Jordan in their championships. You are looking at the NOW instead of looking back at how it was in 2003. Duncan had talent and a great assortment of role players but he didn't have that great #2 wingman in 2003.
joshdaboss
06-30-2011, 05:35 PM
Talent is one thing, but this was the quote I responded to: "Everyone needs great players around them to win. "
Other then Robinson there were no GREAT players on the Spurs 2003 roster. Parker and Manu were young with no rings, no AS appearances, and nothing to indicate they could be future HOFers and be who they are now. Robinson was still a good player even in his final season but nothing like Gasol or Shaq was to Kobe or Pippen to Jordan in their championships. You are looking at the NOW instead of looking back at how it was in 2003. Duncan had talent and a great assortment of role players but he didn't have that great #2 wingman in 2003.
Robinson wasn't even playing for them in 2003. The corpse of David Robinson was.
namlook
06-30-2011, 05:36 PM
Talent is one thing, but this was the quote I responded to: "Everyone needs great players around them to win. "
Other then Robinson there were no GREAT players on the Spurs 2003 roster. Parker and Manu were young with no rings, no AS appearances, and nothing to indicate they could be future HOFers and be who they are now. Robinson was still a good player even in his final season but nothing like Gasol or Shaq was to Kobe or Pippen to Jordan in their championships. You are looking at the NOW instead of looking back at how it was in 2003. Duncan had talent and a great assortment of role players but he didn't have that great #2 wingman in 2003.
Players who end up being Hall of Famers simply can't be denied when you look at talent level even if they are playing reduced roles for the good of the team or they aren't at their peak. Also sometimes talent on a roster is top heavy (as was case with Kobe and Shaq and a bunch of role players in the early 2000s) and sometimes it is more evenly spread out (as was the case for the Spurs in 2003) but the overall level of talent is still undeniable in either case.
dunkman
06-30-2011, 05:53 PM
This type of attitude is so lacking in objectivity or balance or common sense it's pointless to even try to engage with BS like this. To downplay a guy who has won five rings and is so talented he has won multiple league and finals MVPs and scored 81 points in a game is just laughable and absurd. One guy in NBA history has scored more points in a game (and that was against inferior competition compared to the modern game.) That's just ridiculous level of talent. Every NBA all-time great player deserves their due and Kobe is clearly one of them. That issue is not even open to debate anymore. It's an open and shut case.
Kobe won his only MVP award and the two finals MVP's after the Gasol trade, which was very controversial at time. No team could match with the Lakers bigs, that would create huge rebounding differences, clog the line and have highly efficient offense. Kobe wasn't the problem.
His finals MVP's came as a result of the difference between Kobe's FGA's and that of his team mates, but he wasn't the main reason why the Lakers won it all in their 200x ship' runs. While Kobe was very important for those teams, Shaq and Gasol/Bynum/Odom made the differences.
Also it's a fact that game 6 of the '02 WCF was rigged, so it can't be said Kobe has 5 championships, he has 4. The game 7 of the '00 WCF and the game 7 of the '10 finals are also suspicious but there no evidence emerged yet those games were rigged.
And while arguments can be made that is easier to score for a backcourt player then when MJ or Drexler and others prolific SG's played, the 81 record is remarkable, as are his +40 and +50 streaks. No question about. Kobe has remarkable athletic ability and great stamina, however he doesn't consistently shot well as other all time greats. He shot average during most of his playoffs runs (if we talk about efficiency, not volume), and various times abysmally.
Shaq never had a bad game in playoffs during his prime. The Gasol/Odom/Bynum combo is extremely consistent too. Kobe not so much.
dunkman
06-30-2011, 06:10 PM
Robinson was only serviceable in '03, it's the equivalent of saying something like Duncan had Rasho in '04. The Spurs tended to play better with Malik Rose at C in '03. For every great shot S-Jax made he committed turnovers that resulted in fast break points with broken defense. Parker was quick in '03 but struggled in the finals and Speedy had to run the point down the stretch. The Spurs used to build and easily lose leads. Manu wasn't even as good as Parker. Kerr was done it was his last season and basically never played. As desperate measure Pop put him in and Kerr made 4 consecutive 3's to win a key game against the Mavs, but he didn't do much else during the '03 run.
Cessation
06-30-2011, 07:33 PM
Damn, those are some shitty percentages, for the most glorified chucker ever.
Keyser soze
06-30-2011, 07:38 PM
He plays for the Yankees of the NBA.....with Shaq, Gasol, Bynum & Odom
Kobe = Jeter
I'm a Yankee fan and even I'll admit that Kobe has been a significantly more dominant player in his sport than Jeter has in his. The irrational Kobe hatred on this message board knows no bounds.
I'm a Yankee fan and even I'll admit that Kobe has been a significantly more dominant player in his sport than Jeter has in his. The irrational Kobe hatred on this message board knows no bounds.
Original user name bro...
Stalin
06-30-2011, 08:23 PM
Original user name bro...
How's your daughter doing?
How's your daughter doing?
As well as your social life: non-existent.
Venti Quattro
07-01-2011, 07:02 AM
Shaq never had a bad game in playoffs during his prime. The Gasol/Odom/Bynum combo is extremely consistent too. Kobe not so much.
:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao
Maybe you were just watching Lakers vs Spurs games back then? :lmao
Tbh Shaq was so used to owning San Antonio and maybe you got accustomed to it :hat
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