Life Without Mexicans

[vato loco]

In 2004, a film called "A Day Without a Mexican" explored a thought experiment: what would happen if all of California's Mexican population suddenly vanished? The "mockumentary" was based on the premise of a magical-realist pink fog that descends on the state and takes away all residents with blood ties to Mexico. The result? The state's economy grinds to a screeching halt.

This year's immigration fight is showing the prescience of this farcical film. With states pushing draconian immigration measures to scare away undocumented immigrants, and congressional Republicans introducing additional enforcement measures with no offer of legalization for workers already here, we are beginning to see just how economically damaging these policies can be. Nowhere is this truer than in Georgia, where farmers are finding it nearly impossible to replace the immigrant workers--not all Mexicans, to be sure--who are fleeing the state in fear of draconian new legislation.

Georgia's law, HB 87, mirrors provisions of Arizona's controversial SB 1070, by empowering local police officers to check the immigration status of anyone suspected of violating any law (including a traffic violation). Among other harsh provisions, the law also follows an earlier Arizona law by mandating that businesses use a federal electronic verification system (E-Verify) to check that all their workers have legal authorization. It also dictates sentences of up to 15 years for workers who use false identification to get hired.

The law is problematic for several reasons. It infringes on the federal government's exclusive authority to enforce immigration law. It also raises serious concerns about racial profiling and public safety; police forces have limited resources and need trust from the communities in which they work, both of which HB 87 will erode.

This week, a federal judge issued a preliminary injunction against the most controversial sections of HB 87, but the law is already having an impact: the economic devastation caused by scaring away immigrants. Georgia is an agricultural heartland, producing peaches, Vidalia onions, berries, and a host of other produce--all of which need human hands to pick. In recent decades, native-born Americans have turned their backs on such daunting, seasonal, outdoor work; immigrant laborers have picked up the slack. But now these workers are fleeing Georgia, leaving the state with an estimated 11,000-worker shortfall. The estimated price tag for farmers' lost production: approximately $300 million.

Farmers and other business leaders warned Governor Nathan Deal and state legislators about this likely outcome. But Deal and company refused to listen, instead heeding dubious estimates by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), a restrictionist organization deemed a "hate group" by the Southern Poverty Law Center for its ties to eugenicists and white separatists.

Now, the restrictionists' economic arguments are being laid bare as the crops rot in immigrant workers' absence. Not only will agricultural profits decline; so too will tax revenues from this sector of the economy. Governor Deal, belatedly realizing the law's consequences, has tried to encourage unemployed probationers to take the farm jobs. This, too, appears to be failing--in a pilot effort, only half of the few probationers who showed up lasted more than one day, and the potential universe of only 2,000 probationers falls well short of the 11,000 needed laborers.

Now, pro-immigrant groups in Georgia are planning to reinforce the extent of the state economy's dependence on immigrants. The Georgia Latino Alliance for Human Rights (GLAHR) is planning a Day Without Immigrants for July 1st, the day HB 87 is scheduled to take effect. In an effort to build momentum to push back against the law, GLAHR and its allies are asking immigrants and Latinos not to work or purchase or sell goods to demonstrate the community's economic importance to the state. If enough people heed the call, it could be a powerful statement to Georgia's legislators.

But this issue extends beyond Georgia. States like Alabama, Indiana, and South Carolina have passed similar legislation. Moreover, leading congressional Republicans--notably Rep. Elton Gallegly (California), Rep. Lamar Smith (Texas), and Sen. Chuck Grassley (Iowa)--are pushing a mandatory federal E-Verify bill. Their rhetoric mirrors Governor Deal's; they deny the likely economic devastation wrought by clamping down on undocumented workers without offering any new path to citizenship. They have even taken offense at the notion that hard-working American citizens would not want these jobs.

This may be a popular talking point, but Georgia offers just the latest data point to confirm what Smith and King don't want to accept: virtually no native-born Americans or naturalized citizens are willing to go pick our strawberries. State growers' associations and the United Farm Workers (UFW) have known this for years, after launching extensive campaigns to recruit workers to no avail. As comedian Stephen Colbert remarked after spending one day on a farm last year, "This brief experience gave me some small understanding of why so few Americans are clamoring to begin an exciting career as seasonal migrant fieldworker."

As members of Congress consider implementing another enforcement-only measure, E-Verify, with no concomitant effort to retain workers already in this country, they would do well to consider the nightmare "Day Without a Mexican" scenario unfolding in Georgia. In addition to tearing communities and families apart and jeopardizing all of our civil rights, enforcement-only policies put our economy in grave danger.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-altschuler/a-day-without-immigrants-_b_888413.html

lazy ass obese white people :lol

[DMC]

Talk about the ones who smuggle drugs and others people into the country, and who leave many of them dead in boxcars or shallow graves. Those are the ones I like.

[Nick Manning]

m5TwT69i1lU

[vato loco]

Talk about the ones who smuggle drugs and others people into the country, and who leave many of them dead in boxcars or shallow graves. Those are the ones I like.

take the good wit the bad unless u want your crops to rot and ur economy to take a huge hit whitey

even homies straight out prison on parole won't take the jobs americans sure are lazy fatasses :lol

[DMC]

take the good wit the bad unless u want your crops to rot and ur economy to take a huge hit whitey

even homies straight out prison on parole won't take the jobs americans sure are lazy fatasses :lol
You ignant fucks make up your minds. Am I chink, whitey or nig?

Ya just don't know.

also... here's some freebies:

.,;:'"!

Feel free to scatter them about your senseless meandering trolls.

If you are going to pretend to be another race, why pick a beaner? Don't they get fucked with enough? "hey dats foooked aaaaaaap"

[vato loco]

who's pretending dumbass? and u seem like a honkey based on ur first response

[Cessation]

:corn:

[DMC]

who's pretending dumbass? and u seem like a honkey based on ur first response
Your name says it all. It like me using "Pierre" and saying I am French.

Shitty troll just doing what shitty troll is supposed to do.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

lol bringing up a shitty movie meant for hidden propoganda

[BlackSwordsMan]

Parker wouldn't have been distracted and won a 4th

[Proxy]

beaners add nothing to society

You live as an idiot. You'll die as an idiot. Enjoy your false popularity on these boards, because I'm sure that's all you have.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You live as an idiot. You'll die as an idiot. Enjoy your false popularity on these boards, because I'm sure that's all you have.
:lmao

looks like we have one angry beaner!

[DMC]

Jumping bean

[Proxy]

:lmao

looks like we have one angry beaner!

Not necessarily... but if you want to add on to the display of idiocy portrayed on this thread, in an attempt to troll a predominantly Hispanic fan base, then by my guest. I hope one day, you can graduate from the 1st grade mentality that your ignorant parents brought you up with.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lmao angry spic

[Isitjustme?]

DoK with some strong work ITT

[DMC]

Not necessarily... but if you want to add on to the display of idiocy portrayed on this thread, in an attempt to troll a predominantly Hispanic fan base, then by my guest. I hope one day, you can graduate from the 1st grade mentality that your ignorant parents brought you up with.
http://www.thesahara.info/movies/pulp_fiction_sam_wallet.JPG

[Cessation]

Not sure why beaner is an insult. Beans are very healthy, unless of course you referring to cutting the cheese.

[DMC]

Not sure why beaner is an insult. Beans are very healthy, unless of course you referring to cutting the cheese.
You've sucked since I got here. Did I catch you on a bad year?

[Proxy]

http://www.thesahara.info/movies/pulp_fiction_sam_wallet.JPG
:toast

[Big Empty]

not necessarily... But if you want to add on to the display of idiocy portrayed on this thread, in an attempt to troll a predominantly hispanic fan base, then by my guest. I hope one day, you can graduate from the 1st grade mentality that your ignorant parents brought you up with.
+1

[Cessation]

You've sucked since I got here. Did I catch you on a bad year?

What are you babbling about? Your're regular top 5 worst poster.

[DMC]

What are you babbling about? Your're regular top 5 worst poster.

Yeah, but I was giving you an out that you are obviously too stupid to take.


Anytime you post it's like someone puked alphabet soup onto a shag carpet.

[NRHector]

beaners add nothing to society

thanks to the Bracero program U.S. won WWII but nobody mentions that

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

^:lmao what the fuck are you talking about? Mexico had an agreement with Hitler to allow him to station troops in Mexico for an invasion of America that America found out about. Mexico was just as bad with the Nazis as Argentina was.

[NRHector]

^:lmao what the fuck are you talking about? Mexico had an agreement with Hitler to allow him to station troops in Mexico for an invasion of America that America found out about. Mexico was just as bad with the Nazis as Argentina was.

ignorance at it's best, why do you think women were testing airplanes and working factories during WWII?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Are you denying the fact Mexico was had a secret agreement with Hitler?

[Cessation]

Yeah, but I was giving you an out that you are obviously too stupid to take.


Anytime you post it's like someone puked alphabet soup onto a shag carpet.

I'd like to believe you dmc, but since you're a top5 worst poster, your claims hold little credibility, tbh.

[vato loco]

Your name says it all. It like me using "Pierre" and saying I am French.

Shitty troll just doing what shitty troll is supposed to do.

r u fucking retarded it's not like i'm dissin mexicans this thread is pro-immigration dumbass

i ain't trollin noone or pretending to be something i'm not homie

[pass1st]

If there weren't Mexicans then another minority would take up the underpaid work.

[NRHector]

Are you denying the fact Mexico was had a secret agreement with Hitler?you are one dumbass ignorant and that's a fact

[vato loco]

If there weren't Mexicans then another minority would take up the underpaid work.

like how all the minorities in georgia including parolees r taking up the underpaid wrk there right :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

you are one dumbass ignorant and that's a fact
So you aren't denying it :lol

[Cessation]

I agree, unskilled labour wouldn't be hard to replace.

[NRHector]

So you aren't denying it :lolMexico was neutral during WWII but yet Mexico helped with Squadron 42 and the bracero program was created because U.S. was sending all the men to the war so U.S. asked Mexico for man power to work the crops because the women were not capable to work the land.

[DeadlyDynasty]

thanks to the Bracero program U.S. won WWII but nobody mentions that

what the fuck?

Nazi sympathizer trying to skew history :rollin

The bracero program was helpful, much like the women were in the Spanish-American War...but won us the war?

How fucking vacant and devoid of history is your heritage that you have to conjure up bullshit?:lmao

Here's a quick rundown of Mexico you stupid beaner:

-raped by the Spanish

-raped by the Americans.

Btw, thanks for Texas and California. :tu

[vato loco]

I agree, unskilled labour wouldn't be hard to replace.

did u even read the article/

[Proxy]

did u even read the article/

he doesn't know how :(

anyone who says that doesn't have a clue how the structure of our economy works.

[pass1st]

like how all the minorities in georgia including parolees r taking up the underpaid wrk there right :lol

no....:rolleyes

the chinese would be the people of choice to fill in the role. built our railroads y'know. usa has been switching up their sources of cheap labor a lot in the past.

[Cessation]

did u even read the article/

I read it. Sounds like the new legistlature has caused some labour shortages, there was bound to be a transition period. Do you need university education to be a labourer? What about a high school diploma? Speak english? In each case, no. Maybe increase wages, or open borders for immigrants in other countries. I'm sure they would love to settle in the US.

[frodo]

Talk about the ones who smuggle drugs and others people into the country, and who leave many of them dead in boxcars or shallow graves. Those are the ones I like.

and who stole millions of engineering jobs from american people

[Proxy]

I read it. Sounds like the new legistlature has caused some labour shortages, there was bound to be a transition period. Do you need university education to be a labourer? What about a high school diploma? Speak english? In each case, no. Maybe increase wages, or open borders for immigrants in other countries. I'm sure they would love to settle in the US.

You have no idea what you're talking about. You project your own upbringing upon everyone, and expect the same things of people that had/have disadvantages you couldn't even fathom. You have no sense of empathy or intellect. You are a great example of someone that is close minded, which is the absolute worst kind of person, and what keeps this species from moving forward.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

^:lmao "we've had disadvantages :cry"

You spics came over here and CHOSE to have disadvantages

[Muser]

:corn:

[vato loco]

I read it. Sounds like the new legistlature has caused some labour shortages, there was bound to be a transition period. Do you need university education to be a labourer? What about a high school diploma? Speak english? In each case, no. Maybe increase wages, or open borders for immigrants in other countries. I'm sure they would love to settle in the US.

real talk ur a complete buffoon

u dnt need an education for manual labor but this pretty much throws out anti-immigration supremacist's idiotic claim that illegals r taking americans jobs out the window. american's dnt want these jobs plain and simple, even the most desperate of people like parolees who have a hard time finding employment wnt no part of "easy unskilled labor".

and lmao at increasing wages or opening borders for other immigrants...were r u gna get these other immigrants from, canada? u gna fly them in from africa?europe?the carribean? y go thru that trouble and have this cycle begin again cus u kno for a damn fact that soon enough americans will be complaining about those immigrants the way their complaining about mexicans right now. y not just recognize mexican's wrk and importance to that part of the economy by giving them legal status (seasonal atleast) instead of alienating them wit these laws?

probably should've asked before writing all that but r u british? if not wats up wit writing labor as "labour"?

[hater]

Btw, thanks for Texas and California. :tu

texas and cali have already been taken back by the mexis and other spics. They are currently working on the other 48 states: :lol

This year could be the "tipping point" when the number of babies born to minorities will outnumber that of babies born to whites, demographers said Wednesday.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/10/minority-births-track-outnumber-white-births#ixzz1RKwdZf77

[hater]

welcome to the new USA. If you ain't brown you on the way down.

[vato loco]

texas and cali have already been taken back by the mexis and other spics. They are currently working on the other 48 states: :lol

This year could be the "tipping point" when the number of babies born to minorities will outnumber that of babies born to whites, demographers said Wednesday.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/10/minority-births-track-outnumber-white-births#ixzz1RKwdZf77

:tu



^:lmao "we've had disadvantages :cry"

You spics came over here and CHOSE to have disadvantages

yea that's like saying jews chose to be gassed by nazis, u would never say that to a jew would u? mexicans dnt really have a choice idiot it's done out of necessity.

[hater]

Johnson explained there are now more Hispanic women of prime childbearing age who tend to have more children than women of other races. More white women are waiting until they are older to have children, but it is not yet known whether that will have a noticeable effect on the current trend of increasing minority newborns.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/10/minority-births-track-outnumber-white-births#ixzz1RKy3tS00


:lmao latinas be fucking

[Spur_Fanatic]

The ones claiming mexicans are nazis, sure sound like nazis themselves.

[ambchang]

I really never understood the Spurstalk culture, where it's somehow supposed to be funny to act all macho and degrade some other cultures.

Oh well, I guess some here just have to release the inner racist.

[Nick Manning]

I really never understood the Spurstalk culture, where it's somehow supposed to be funny to act all macho and degrade some other cultures.

Oh well, I guess some here just have to release the inner racist.

I agree it gets played out from time to time, but shitting on mexicans is not exclusive to spurstalk. It's an American pasttime, tbh.

[Spur_Fanatic]

It's not really just against mexicans. Check Koolaid, he is a wigger and we make fun of him too.
Is a trend. A few years back, it was against whites (not kidding), asians and the middle-east.

[JJ Hickson]

Newsflash for all the fat beaners ITT. You aren't the first group of immigrants to come to this country and be used as a cheap source of labor. Your presence here is not necessary. You take jobs that anyone can do that is why they pay shit. There will always be a lowest class to fill the void and pick our crops if you don't.

[DisAsTerBot]

Newsflash for all the fat beaners ITT. You aren't the first group of immigrants to come to this country and be used as a cheap source of labor. Your presence here is not necessary. You take jobs that anyone can do that is why they pay shit. There will always be a lowest class to fill the void and pick our crops if you don't.

yeah, there's always black people

[JayTheClown]

yeah, there's always black people

Wont be be anything from your trailer park field. :lol

[Cessation]

You have no idea what you're talking about. You project your own upbringing upon everyone, and expect the same things of people that had/have disadvantages you couldn't even fathom. You have no sense of empathy or intellect. You are a great example of someone that is close minded, which is the absolute worst kind of person, and what keeps this species from moving forward.

Your powers of analysis need work scro. You're clearly a butthurt beaner getting emotional. I actually have nothing against mexicans, since there aren't any where I live. I'm also an immigrant, my parents moved from europe 18 years ago. I was speaking from experience. I did my share of shitty manual labor when I was younger. That's why I went to college, so I don't have to that kind of work anymore. Try again, son.

[cheguevara]

Newsflash for all the fat beaners ITT. You aren't the first group of immigrants to come to this country and be used as a cheap source of labor. Your presence here is not necessary. You take jobs that anyone can do that is why they pay shit. There will always be a lowest class to fill the void and pick our crops if you don't.

:lmao thinking illegals log in to spurstalk to read your stupidity. :lol thinking they can even read english

[z0sa]

farmers wouldnt have shit anyway without HUGE help from the government

[DMC]

Your powers of analysis need work scro. You're clearly a butthurt beaner getting emotional. I actually have nothing against mexicans, since there aren't any where I live. I'm also an immigrant, my parents moved from europe 18 years ago. I was speaking from experience. I did my share of shitty manual labor when I was younger. That's why I went to college, so I don't have to that kind of work anymore. Try again, son.

Scro, son... butthurt...


you're fully indoctrinated into the shit clan it seems.

You could switch user names with other shit clan members and not even a post expert could tell the difference between you proud few.

[Cessation]

real talk ur a complete buffoon

u dnt need an education for manual labor but this pretty much throws out anti-immigration supremacist's idiotic claim that illegals r taking americans jobs out the window. american's dnt want these jobs plain and simple, even the most desperate of people like parolees who have a hard time finding employment wnt no part of "easy unskilled labor".

and lmao at increasing wages or opening borders for other immigrants...were r u gna get these other immigrants from, canada? u gna fly them in from africa?europe?the carribean? y go thru that trouble and have this cycle begin again cus u kno for a damn fact that soon enough americans will be complaining about those immigrants the way their complaining about mexicans right now. y not just recognize mexican's wrk and importance to that part of the economy by giving them legal status (seasonal atleast) instead of alienating them wit these laws?

probably should've asked before writing all that but r u british? if not wats up wit writing labor as "labour"?

I'm usually not one to complain about grammar, it's the internets afterall, but yours is plain horrid. I can barelly understand what you wrote, tbh. I don't even care about this illegal immigration debate, it has little affect on me. All I was saying is that manual labor is far from irreplacable. If it was chinks or irish, I'd still say the same. You're taking some random article at face value, because you want to believe its true. I'm sure if the shortage of workers was that acute, the governemnt would think twice before deporting them. Apparently, it isn't, since they are.

[Spur_Fanatic]

farmers wouldnt have shit anyway without HUGE help from the government

Yeah, I mean, jeez. Stupid farmers. Food is not needed anyway. :rolleyes

[Spur_Fanatic]

I'm usually not one to complain about grammar, it's the internets afterall, but yours is plain horrid. I can barelly understand what you wrote, tbh. I don't even care about this illegal immigration debate, it has little affect on me. All I was saying is that manual labor is far from irreplacable. If it was chinks or irish, I'd still say the same. You're taking some random article at face value, because you want to believe its true. I'm sure if the shortage of workers was that acute, the governemnt would think twice before deporting them. Apparently, it isn't, since they are.

Yet fact remains that white people just don't want those jobs. Sure, they may do it if better paid, but then farmers would need much more money.

[Cessation]

Scro, son... butthurt...


you're fully indoctrinated into the shit clan it seems.

You could switch user names with other shit clan members and not even a post expert could tell the difference between you proud few.

I find those words amusing, so I use them, seems like anything and everything gives you asshurt, bro. As I said before, get that shit checked out, before it gets out of hand.

[z0sa]

Yeah, I mean, jeez. Stupid farmers. Food is not needed anyway. :rolleyes

... which isn't even why the government subsidizes them. someone doesn't know why his vegetables aren't 100$ a pound.

[JJ Hickson]

:lmao thinking illegals log in to spurstalk to read your stupidity. :lol thinking they can even read english


The laughing smilies can't mask your pain. The truth hurts doesn't it you worthless beaner? You're a perfect example of what happens when an ignorant mexican gets internet access.

[DMC]

I find those words amusing, so I use them, seems like anything and everything gives you asshurt, bro. As I said before, get that shit checked out, before it gets out of hand.
I find wearing my pants below the crack of my ass amusing, so I do it. I didn't even notice others were doing it. :sleep

[vato loco]

I'm usually not one to complain about grammar, it's the internets afterall, but yours is plain horrid. I can barelly understand what you wrote, tbh. I don't even care about this illegal immigration debate, it has little affect on me. All I was saying is that manual labor is far from irreplacable. If it was chinks or irish, I'd still say the same. You're taking some random article at face value, because you want to believe its true. I'm sure if the shortage of workers was that acute, the governemnt would think twice before deporting them. Apparently, it isn't, since they are.

*your's
*effect
*irreplaceable

Would some newly imported immigrants take those jobs?Sure. But again that would just begin a new cycle, and soon enough Americans would be complaining about those new immigrants in the same way they're currently complaining about Mexicans.

My point though was that Americans themselves cannot fill that void. The notion that illegals are taking Americans' jobs has been proven to be false with this Georgia experiment. And that's only one state homie, that has already lost $300 mill as a result according to the article...do this nationwide and you can bet the losses would be significant enough to where the government would intervene. That isn't happening though, the government knows this nation benefits alot from illegals' cheap labor. They're not going to kick them out as long as they're useful.

[DMC]

You also have to consider, that white people get sunburn much easier. Clearly, mexicans have a genetic advantage, when it comes to farming.
You are stupid.

White men have cabbed tractors with AC. If the Mexicans have an advantage, you wouldn't see a John Deere, you would see a Jose Martinez dually 4x4 plowing fields.

[Cessation]

I find wearing my pants below the crack of my ass amusing, so I do it. I didn't even notice others were doing it. :sleep

I never said I didn't notice others doing it, and whats wrong with using words, that you find funny, that others also use? I've seen you use "butthurt", does that mean you're part of the shit clan too? Seems like you're reaching for anything to complain about. Carry on...

[Cessation]

You are stupid.

White men have cabbed tractors with AC. If the Mexicans have an advantage, you wouldn't see a John Deere, you would see a Jose Martinez dually 4x4 plowing fields.


I'll give you that one. I was trying too hard with that joke, hence I erased it, but you were too quick dmc, nothing gets by you on st.

[vato loco]

DMC discuss the subject at hand or shut the fuck

you ruin every thread with your pointless shit

[DMC]

DMC discuss the subject at hand or shut the fuck

you ruin every thread with your pointless shit

I didn't read your OP.

:lol

[z0sa]

*your's

:lol

[DMC]

I never said I didn't notice others doing it, and whats wrong with using words, that you find funny, that others also use? I've seen you use "butthurt", does that mean you're part of the shit clan too? Seems like you're reaching for anything to complain about. Carry on...
Why you mad tho?

[Cessation]

*your's
*effect
*irreplaceable

Would some newly imported immigrants take those jobs?Sure. But again that would just begin a new cycle, and soon enough Americans would be complaining about those new immigrants in the same way they're currently complaining about Mexicans.

My point though was that Americans themselves cannot fill that void. The notion that illegals are taking Americans' jobs has been proven to be false with this Georgia experiment. And that's only one state homie, that has already lost $300 mill as a result according to the article...do this nationwide and you can bet the losses would be significant enough to where the government would intervene. That isn't happening though, the government knows this nation benefits alot from illegals' cheap labor. They're not going to kick them out as long as they're useful.

It is "yours" not "your's", lol. I didn't use the word "effect" in my post. Well done, you've found one error in my paragraph, "irreplacable". It's apparent, grammar isn't one of your strengths, but I appreciate the effort in your last post. I agree, if those shortages are as bad as you claim, sure give them citizenship, as I said, it doesn't matter to me.

[vato loco]

:lol

good shit, you learn something new every day :lol


It is "yours" not "your's", lol. I didn't use the word "effect" in my post. Well done, you've found one error in my paragraph, "irreplacable". It's apparent, grammar isn't one of your strengths, but I appreciate the effort in your last post. I agree, if those shortages are as bad as you claim, sure give them citizenship, as I said, it doesn't matter to me.

You used affect when it should've been effect dumbass. I could care less about grammar though, I just thought it was pretty weak that you responded with that grammar nazi bullshit saying you couldn't understand my other post.

Reading the article could've helped you realize the severity of the shortages. Which would've in turn helped you avoid looking like an idiot.

[Cessation]

good shit, you learn something new every day :lol



You used affect when it should've been effect dumbass. I could care less about grammar though, I just thought it was pretty weak that you responded with that grammar nazi bullshit saying you couldn't understand my other post.

Reading the article could've helped you realize the severity of the shortages. Which would've in turn helped you avoid looking like an idiot.

lol your whole post was garbage, it looked like a 5 year old wrote it. Does that equate to a couple of grammar mistakes that I made over multiple posts? You certainly would like to think so. If you trying to make a serious point, and not trolling, then grammar helps, tbh. Who's that cutie on the right in your sig, bro? Got anymore?

[vato loco]

just some random slut, don't know her name :(

people say she looks like jailbait but that ass doesn't look underage to me lol

[jimo2305]

well after reading the original article then finding my way thru all the bullshit spewing in this thread i can say as usual a lot of people are still missing the point and don't even have an idea of what's being fought for / against as far as immigration goes..

the legislative proposal is targeting individuals who came in as minors and are still here without proper legal status.. as in.. they were brought in by parents and guardians who came here illegally.. there's been amendments to the original proposition saying that these minors have to have good standing with the law, graduated high school and gotten a college education for x amount of years, you even have to fall within a certain age even be considered.. and upon all that, it's all for permanent resident status.. not citizenship.. it almost has nothing even to do with someone who literally snuck across the border themselves..

but as usual.. all i hear from the opposition is the idea that the government is looking for some sort of way to give current illegal aliens citizenship.. we're not even talking about job situation yet..

yes.. if you got rid of the actual illegal workers who do the strenuous labor the article was talking about, yea there'll be a hit to the economy.. because they already know the legal citizens won't want to take their spot.. but losing them is and should be a reality that the legal residents and citizens are all going to have to live with anyway.. but as an illegal migrant worker, if you can't pass the requirements, you're not qualified.. so fuck all the bullshit about checking someone's skin color and having that be an indicator to ask for their legal status.. if that's not racism, i dont know what is.. that's purely unnecessary and it doesn't make it alright just because it's not your race

if it's jobs we're worried about.. then dont' hire illegals.. auditing can be done for each registered businesses' employees figuratively over night.. it's no issue.. but it starts to become one when you have an american educated person who grow up here most of his life and you're telling him to go back to his country which is more foreign to him than the USA..

[DMC]

There's no reason to make someone legal just because they got away with being illegal for so long and prospered. So they have all the education, good, go back to that shithole you came from and clean it up.

But, a couple ass clowns here have melted down to grammar and spelling smack anyhow. Gee I wonder who the immigrants are.

[JayTheClown]

well after reading the original article then finding my way thru all the bullshit spewing in this thread i can say as usual a lot of people are still missing the point and don't even have an idea of what's being fought for / against as far as immigration goes..

the legislative proposal is targeting individuals who came in as minors and are still here without proper legal status.. as in.. they were brought in by parents and guardians who came here illegally.. there's been amendments to the original proposition saying that these minors have to have good standing with the law, graduated high school and gotten a college education for x amount of years, you even have to fall within a certain age even be considered.. and upon all that, it's all for permanent resident status.. not citizenship.. it almost has nothing even to do with someone who literally snuck across the border themselves..

but as usual.. all i hear from the opposition is the idea that the government is looking for some sort of way to give current illegal aliens citizenship.. we're not even talking about job situation yet..

yes.. if you got rid of the actual illegal workers who do the strenuous labor the article was talking about, yea there'll be a hit to the economy.. because they already know the legal citizens won't want to take their spot.. but losing them is and should be a reality that the legal residents and citizens are all going to have to live with anyway.. but as an illegal migrant worker, if you can't pass the requirements, you're not qualified.. so fuck all the bullshit about checking someone's skin color and having that be an indicator to ask for their legal status.. if that's not racism, i dont know what is.. that's purely unnecessary and it doesn't make it alright just because it's not your race

if it's jobs we're worried about.. then dont' hire illegals.. auditing can be done for each registered businesses' employees figuratively over night.. it's no issue.. but it starts to become one when you have an american educated person who grow up here most of his life and you're telling him to go back to his country which is more foreign to him than the USA..

I have a question for you. Would you be for or against the government creating a law that would make the hiring of illegals a criminal act. In other words, if a company is caught hiring illegal immigrants at a high rate. The Charmian or CEO of that said company could face an extremely large fine or possibly jail time. Now, the law would probably never pass federally, but I could see a state like Arizona or Georgia considering such law. I would be against, considering I feel the country is to a point where we need cheap labor. We created a monster we have to live with like it or not.

[DMC]

I have a question for you. Would you be for or against the government creating a law that would make the hiring of illegals a criminal act. In other words, if a company is caught hiring illegal immigrants at a high rate. The Charmian or CEO of that said company could face an extremely large fine or possibly jail time. Now, the law would probably never pass federally, but I could see a state like Arizona or Georgia considering such law. I would be against, considering I feel the country is to a point where we need cheap labor. We created a monster we have to live with like it or not.
Here's the problem with your conclusion:

You are saying the US must have illegal aliens in our country in order to survive. That's akin to saying being legal makes you useless.

We cannot ignore illegal status. Doing so makes the entire concept of legality a moot point. Why get a driver's license? If you are an illegal driver, you still have to get to work and no one else wants to do your job, so you shouldn't be held to any legal standards.

It's economic terrorism that we are bringing onto ourselves by handcuffing our ability to police our own immigrants under the guise of "cheap labor". Sorry mom and pop, you either make it or you don't.

There's no good reason that people should be allowed to fly under the radar. You cannot have national security if you cannot control your borders.

Allowing illegals to work here is making illegal legal.

[JayTheClown]

Here's the problem with your conclusion:

You are saying the US must have illegal aliens in our country in order to survive. That's akin to saying being legal makes you useless.

We cannot ignore illegal status. Doing so makes the entire concept of legality a moot point. Why get a driver's license? If you are an illegal driver, you still have to get to work and no one else wants to do your job, so you shouldn't be held to any legal standards.

It's economic terrorism that we are bringing onto ourselves by handcuffing our ability to police our own immigrants under the guise of "cheap labor". Sorry mom and pop, you either make it or you don't.

There's no good reason that people should be allowed to fly under the radar. You cannot have national security if you cannot control your borders.

Allowing illegals to work here is making illegal legal.

I'm not saying its a good thing. I'm saying its a necessary evil. If we were to just deport all the illegal workers back to Mexico (or wherever) its a fact that our economy will suffer. Prices will rise and many legal Americans will their lose jobs.

[vato loco]

I have a question for you. Would you be for or against the government creating a law that would make the hiring of illegals a criminal act. In other words, if a company is caught hiring illegal immigrants at a high rate. The Charmian or CEO of that said company could face an extremely large fine or possibly jail time. Now, the law would probably never pass federally, but I could see a state like Arizona or Georgia considering such law. I would be against, considering I feel the country is to a point where we need cheap labor. We created a monster we have to live with like it or not.

When immigration was a big topic, before the economy took a shit and all the focus shifted towards that...Obama actually had a really interesting plan which would've been the best route in my opinion. It met both sides somewhere in the middle, it wasn't full blown amnesty but it also wasn't immediate deportation. I'm probably missing some details but basically:

Illegals who had been here a certain amount of time could qualify for a 5-10 (i forget) yr trial period were they had to meet certain requirements (crime free, employed, learn english, etc)...after that they would qualify for permanent residence/green card. Than after another 5-10 years they would be eligible for citizenship. This held them accountable for any crimes they committed and rewarded them for their contributions, while maintaining their cheap manual labor. I'm Mexican and I would've been more than ok with that, get rid of the bad seeds that give the hard working illegals a bad name.

[vato loco]

But, a couple ass clowns here have melted down to grammar and spelling smack anyhow. Gee I wonder who the immigrants are.

shut the fuck up u piece of shit

atleast 90% of ur 8000 posts are complete garbage

[jimo2305]

I have a question for you. Would you be for or against the government creating a law that would make the hiring of illegals a criminal act. In other words, if a company is caught hiring illegal immigrants at a high rate. The Charmian or CEO of that said company could face an extremely large fine or possibly jail time. Now, the law would probably never pass federally, but I could see a state like Arizona or Georgia considering such law. I would be against, considering I feel the country is to a point where we need cheap labor. We created a monster we have to live with like it or not.

why would it be a "criminal act"? it shouldn't.. it's bad enough you hand out penalties for hiring illegals.. at worse the business could would lose it's license and it can go down that path.. but making it a criminal act in itself is unnecessary.. you're paying your taxes and running a business.. not smuggling illegals..

the government is working on a mandate that requires all businesses to verify their employee's legal status electronically before they're hired.. it hasn't passed thru all states yet.. but a good number of states have adapted this already.. it's the "smart" approach to addressing the issue about job situation.. the "stupid" approach is 'yer taillight's broken boi... what? your name is Jeezus?? where's yer green card boi?"

so yea i'd be against it..

[JayTheClown]

When immigration was a big topic, before the economy took a shit and all the focus shifted towards that...Obama actually had a really interesting plan which would've been the best route in my opinion. It met both sides somewhere in the middle, it wasn't full blown amnesty but it also wasn't immediate deportation. I'm probably missing some details but basically:

Illegals who had been here a certain amount of time could qualify for a 5-10 (i forget) yr trial period were they had to meet certain requirements (crime free, employed, learn english, etc)...after that they would qualify for permanent residence/green card. Than after another 5-10 years they would be eligible for citizenship. This held them accountable for any crimes they committed and rewarded them for their contributions, while maintaining their cheap manual labor. I'm Mexican and I would've been more than ok with that, get rid of the bad seeds that give the hard working illegals a bad name.

Well if your looking for the government to do anything about illigel immigration dont hold your breath. Obama and all the other talking heads in congress want status quo when it comes to this issue. You notice your not hearing about the bill your referring to anymore. For capitalism to work efficiently a society needs a poor class of people to do the menial jobs the other classes don't want to do. Which means making illegals legal is not in the best interest to the government and the fortune 500 commonalities who own the government.

[jimo2305]

There's no reason to make someone legal just because they got away with being illegal for so long and prospered. So they have all the education, good, go back to that shithole you came from and clean it up.

But, a couple ass clowns here have melted down to grammar and spelling smack anyhow. Gee I wonder who the immigrants are.

i'll be honest.. sometimes i can't tell if you're trolling.. even though you do most of the time.. i have seen some serious posts from you..

but for what it's worth.. you can ask any illegal resident in the USA if they've "live long and prospered".. im willing to bet 100% will laugh at the absurdity of that question..

[jimo2305]

Well if your looking for the government to do anything about illigel immigration dont hold your breath. Obama and all the other talking heads in congress want status quo when it comes to this issue. You notice your not hearing about the bill your referring to anymore. For capitalism to work efficiently a society needs a poor class of people to do the menial jobs the other classes don't want to do. Which means making illegals legal is not in the best interest to the government and the fortune 500 commonalities who own the government.

as funny as it seems.. i really dont' get involved in politics that much so there's alot i dont know of it.. but it amazes me how this issue has been floating in the air since the bush administration.. that's as far back as i can remember.. but they prioritize other things like cutting education budgets and legalizing gay marriage..

[JayTheClown]

as funny as it seems.. i really dont' get involved in politics that much so there's alot i dont know of it.. but it amazes me how this issue has been floating in the air since the bush administration.. that's as far back as i can remember.. but they prioritize other things like cutting education budgets and legalizing gay marriage..

It goes way further than that. You will hear the issue spring up again during campaign time.

[Cessation]

shut the fuck up u piece of shit

atleast 90% of ur 8000 posts are complete garbage

You're being generous with that percentage, tbh. The sad part is, he actually believes he makes sense.

[DMC]

I'm not saying its a good thing. I'm saying its a necessary evil. If we were to just deport all the illegal workers back to Mexico (or wherever) its a fact that our economy will suffer. Prices will rise and many legal Americans will their lose jobs.
Then the economy must suffer. If all illegal drug trade stopped today there would be a hit to the economy of many a small rural town across the Midwest USA, but it should stop. We shouldn't allow wrong things to continue in the name of profit.

If everyone deserves to be legal, legalize them. Do away with the borders. Do away with immigration laws. Don't have laws and turn a blind eye to them in the name of profit.

[DMC]

i'll be honest.. sometimes i can't tell if you're trolling.. even though you do most of the time.. i have seen some serious posts from you..

but for what it's worth.. you can ask any illegal resident in the USA if they've "live long and prospered".. im willing to bet 100% will laugh at the absurdity of that question..

That's the defense that's being used. This person got a degree and is running a successful business, but their parents were here illegally so they are not legal citizens of the US. If the same person was holding a "will work for food" sign, no one would give a shit if they were deported (Sean Penn might). So it's about the success they've had, the work they've put in to get where they are.

Illegal is illegal. I don't support banishing people to the far reaches of the globe just for a token stance, but the government must either enforce the laws or change them. They cannot (should not) ignore them. I know it's been done, but that doesn't make it the right thing to do. Change laws that don't make sense, and enforce the rest.

[DMC]

You're being generous with that percentage, tbh. The sad part is, he actually believes he makes sense.
You two ass monkeys spent two pages arguing over spelling and grammar. I wouldn't be here grading post quality if I were you, Mr "Cool story bro".

[Stalin]

You two ass monkeys spent two pages arguing over spelling and grammar. I wouldn't be here grading post quality if I were you, Mr "Cool story bro".

you tell them

[Proxy]

Your powers of analysis need work scro. You're clearly a butthurt beaner getting emotional. I actually have nothing against mexicans, since there aren't any where I live. I'm also an immigrant, my parents moved from europe 18 years ago. I was speaking from experience. I did my share of shitty manual labor when I was younger. That's why I went to college, so I don't have to that kind of work anymore. Try again, son.

Again... the ethnic remarks and name calling. What is the point of you calling me a butthurt beaner? You are extremely immature, and need to grow up.

So you came as an immigrant... good for you. You're white. You came from a developed country, and you spoke English already. You grew up with a structured educational system.

You come to another developed country in which the white man succeeds. You did the same manual labor jobs that tons of american kids do anyways. You're "experience" on the matter is not only biased, but also easy in relative terms.

[Proxy]

Newsflash for all the fat beaners ITT. You aren't the first group of immigrants to come to this country and be used as a cheap source of labor. Your presence here is not necessary. You take jobs that anyone can do that is why they pay shit. There will always be a lowest class to fill the void and pick our crops if you don't.

I've seen you post on 4chan before.

[ezau]

I'd pick 100 Mexicans over one Jew.

[jimo2305]

That's the defense that's being used. This person got a degree and is running a successful business, but their parents were here illegally so they are not legal citizens of the US. If the same person was holding a "will work for food" sign, no one would give a shit if they were deported (Sean Penn might). So it's about the success they've had, the work they've put in to get where they are.

Illegal is illegal. I don't support banishing people to the far reaches of the globe just for a token stance, but the government must either enforce the laws or change them. They cannot (should not) ignore them. I know it's been done, but that doesn't make it the right thing to do. Change laws that don't make sense, and enforce the rest.

it's not even about financial status.. it's simple.. if the business owner can't pass the proposed requirements to be rendered legal then it's game over.. it's just more likely that the business owner would have a better education and good moral status compared to the 'will work for food' guy..

yes illegal IS illegal and this issue will still be dealt with.. but if the activists for deporting all illegals continue with the blasphemy.. you're digging a deeper hole with problems like the ones that had been stated in the article by the OP.. it isn't something that will be solved over night neither.. there are a lot of thing the government needs to go back and address.. it's not just this issue alone.. but at as far as this issue is concerned, why not look for a way to soften the impact of losing so many illegals by keeping the ones that are already educated and in good standing with the law? provided they pass whatever proposed requirements are given to be of legal status?

but if more states continue to adopt these draconian laws of arizona and georgia, the government is just not enforcing the issue.. they're going overboard to a point of hypocrisy.. also forcing the illegals to really start abusing government loopholes like false marriages for example..

[Stalin]

I'd pick 100 Mexicans over one Jew.

Co sign

[jimo2305]

Co sign

i lol'd

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'd pick 100 Mexicans over one Jew.
And that's why you're unemployed and engaged to someone who works at Walgreens :lol

[cheguevara]

The laughing smilies can't mask your pain. The truth hurts doesn't it you worthless beaner? You're a perfect example of what happens when an ignorant mexican gets internet access.

:lol I aint even mexican. Fuck mexicans and fuck trailer park trash like JJ Dickson :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I aint even mexican.
You're Cuban which is just as bad if not worse.

[cheguevara]

You're Cuban which is just as bad if not worse.

wrong again, but that is not surprising. More like the norm. You being wrong I mean.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So what are you exactly? God knows you're not white and you're from some dirty brown country south of the US.

[Spur_Fanatic]

I'd pick 100 Mexicans over one Jew.

I'd take 1 for 1. But mainly because with them I can play soccer for hours, and when they want to go secretive on me, they don't just start talking on a weird-ass language. (or maybe the jews I know are douches).

[cheguevara]

:lol dying to know where I'm from

[Spur_Fanatic]

So what are you exactly? God knows you're not white and you're from some dirty brown country south of the US.

Some countries south of the US are whiter than the US. :lol
If I have to guess, if he is white, and he is not argentinian... from Uruguay or Chile. Could be Brazil, but the Che as a brazilian's avatar?

[DAF86]

che I know where you're from, tbh.

[cheguevara]

che I know where you're from, tbh.

congrats. instantly makes you a better man.

[DAF86]

Neat, and I was pretty good to begin with.

[jag]

I'd take 1 for 1. But mainly because with them I can play soccer for hours, and when they want to go secretive on me, they don't just start talking on a weird-ass language. (or maybe the jews I know are douches).

I never really knew any Jews until I got to college. But even before then (No racist) I always respected their business sense and work ethic. Generally speaking of course.

Mexicans are much more unpredictable. They cover such a wide range of stereotypes. No racist

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Tbh I actually wish I had my mom's last name rather than my dad's, if I did then when I interviewed for future accounting jobs/internships they'd see my mom's name and instantly think, "Oh, we have a real Jewish accountant on our hands!" instead I have a last name that does nothing to show I'm Jewish

[DMC]

it's not even about financial status.. it's simple.. if the business owner can't pass the proposed requirements to be rendered legal then it's game over.. it's just more likely that the business owner would have a better education and good moral status compared to the 'will work for food' guy..

yes illegal IS illegal and this issue will still be dealt with.. but if the activists for deporting all illegals continue with the blasphemy.. you're digging a deeper hole with problems like the ones that had been stated in the article by the OP.. it isn't something that will be solved over night neither.. there are a lot of thing the government needs to go back and address.. it's not just this issue alone.. but at as far as this issue is concerned, why not look for a way to soften the impact of losing so many illegals by keeping the ones that are already educated and in good standing with the law? provided they pass whatever proposed requirements are given to be of legal status?

but if more states continue to adopt these draconian laws of arizona and georgia, the government is just not enforcing the issue.. they're going overboard to a point of hypocrisy.. also forcing the illegals to really start abusing government loopholes like false marriages for example..

The illegals abuse every loophole that exists already.

There needs to be a clearly defined set of criteria for who should be considered "legal" that isn't considered that now.

Again, time in grade for the illegal status shouldn't earn you reward points toward amnesty. Some laws are stupid, but Arizona and others are simply enforcing existing federal immigration laws.

Laws: enforce or change

[cheguevara]

The american companies that hire illegals abuse every loophole that exists already.


fify

[jag]

Tbh I actually wish I had my mom's last name rather than my dad's, if I did then when I interviewed for future accounting jobs/internships they'd see my mom's name and instantly think, "Oh, we have a real Jewish accountant on our hands!" instead I have a last name that does nothing to show I'm Jewish

That's a tough situation to be in, Broman Polanski. You can't really just come out and say "Hey, I'm a Jew. I will guard your money." Should have worn a kippa and started using Yiddish words and phrases. I'd hire the shit out of an Orthodox Jew accountant.

[hater]

:lol accountant

just go to hollywood and become a millionaire like all the others

[DMC]

fify

The companies that hire illegally should be dealt with.

Illegals are already illegal.

The streets are full of homeless people who could pick fruit. They won't because they get by better than a working man in Mexico.

[JJ Hickson]

I'd pick 100 Mexicans over one Jew.



That means a lot coming from an unemployed mexican.

[vato loco]

The streets are full of homeless people who could pick fruit. They won't because they get by better than a working man in Mexico.

Did you not read the article, idiot? There have been numerous campaigns by Farmers associations trying to attract employees. There has been involvement from the government were they offer the most desperate of people (like parolees) these jobs. Neither has worked. Yet you're suggesting that homeless people, most of whom are in that position due to drug problems/lack of work ethic or a combination of both, could fill that void? Why not suggest that the NBA fill the void left by the lockout with professional chess players while you're at it you idiotic faggot.

[cheguevara]

Did you not read the article, idiot?

of course he didn't. I'd be surprised if he even read half the garbage he writes

[Spur_Fanatic]

Did you not read the article, idiot? There have been numerous campaigns by Farmers associations trying to attract employees. There has been involvement from the government were they offer the most desperate of people (like parolees) these jobs. Neither has worked. Yet you're suggesting that homeless people, most of whom are in that position due to drug problems/lack of work ethic or a combination of both, could fill that void? Why not suggest that the NBA fill the void left by the lockout with professional chess players while you're at it you idiotic faggot.

LOL

In all seriousness, if anyone here truly thinks that getting rid of illegals is so easy, and that doing so will solve a lot of stuff in America... you people are delluded.
If not just plain idiots. Hell, in 100 years we'll be the minority anyway.

[jimo2305]

The illegals abuse every loophole that exists already.

There needs to be a clearly defined set of criteria for who should be considered "legal" that isn't considered that now.

Again, time in grade for the illegal status shouldn't earn you reward points toward amnesty. Some laws are stupid, but Arizona and others are simply enforcing existing federal immigration laws.

Laws: enforce or change

what i'm saying is the thing that's wrong with those laws is you can't just say 'lets wipe every illegal off the face of this country'.. if the whole country did this, the aftermath would be too much of an impact to overcome, considering it's already been proven that those jobs are going to be very hard to fill..

the illegals that were brought here without their own power.. yes the ones that were brought in as minors i was referring to earlier.. they grew up here and basically have the identity of an american.. deporting them to their country of origin is pretty much sending them to a country that's more foreign to them than the USA.. it's getting rid of a set of people that were more beneficial than harmful to the US economy.. yes there's a percentage of illegals in that scenario..

the whole notion of these illegals coming to the usa and sucking workforce employment opportunities out of the american's hands is so overblown.. and so is the notion that all these illegals come in and pick up strawberries from the floor.. there are employed nurses out there that dont' have full legal status in Texas..

if the georgia / arizona approach were the right one, work employment would've increased dramatically by now.. i understand their aim is to flush out the illegals but there's always that portion of them that i've been referring to.. those are the ones that get screwed the most out of everything.. what about if they themselves have kids that were born here? are we going to start deporting american citizens by birth then because their parents came here illegally or even came here as minors? i'm all for solving the problem but not with that kind of barbaric approach..

[DMC]

LOL

In all seriousness, if anyone here truly thinks that getting rid of illegals is so easy, and that doing so will solve a lot of stuff in America... you people are delluded.
If not just plain idiots. Hell, in 100 years we'll be the minority anyway.
Non-Sequitur

The immigration laws aren't about who's the majority race, but about having documenting the people living within our borders.

So because it's not easy to get rid of them, we should just ignore it? We cannot get rid of crime, should we ignore it?

[DMC]

Did you not read the article, idiot? There have been numerous campaigns by Farmers associations trying to attract employees. There has been involvement from the government were they offer the most desperate of people (like parolees) these jobs. Neither has worked. Yet you're suggesting that homeless people, most of whom are in that position due to drug problems/lack of work ethic or a combination of both, could fill that void? Why not suggest that the NBA fill the void left by the lockout with professional chess players while you're at it you idiotic faggot.
Most of you are too stupid to have a real debate. You just sling anecdotes and hearsay.

Speaking of not reading:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5338441&postcount=76

You have a reading comprehension problem. I said the same thing you just said: Homeless people could do it, but they wont.

Could /= will

[z0sa]

Why not suggest that the NBA fill the void left by the lockout with professional chess players while you're at it you idiotic faggot.

ROFL

you honestly think homeless people doing low wage, hard-ass backbreaking work with little recognition at all compares with pro chess players filling in pro basketball shoes?

fucking retard

you honestly need to get into the fields and callus those pussy hands of yours up before you act like the homeless not wanting to do this nation's shittiest jobs has anything to do with their ability to do them

[DMC]

ROFL

you honestly think homeless people doing low wage, hard-ass backbreaking work with little recognition at all compares with pro chess players filling in pro basketball shoes?

fucking retard

you honestly need to get into the fields and callus those pussy hands of yours up before you act like the homeless not wanting to do this nation's shittiest jobs has anything to do with their ability to do them

tbh, I think we are all saying the same things.

Homeless people are too fucking lazy to work.

Run them off the streets. Don't feed them They will work or starve.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The problem with the homeless is that they are 90% mentally ill. Go to a homeless shelter and it becomes quickly apparent.

[DMC]

The problem with the homeless is that they are 90% mentally ill. Go to a homeless shelter and it becomes quickly apparent.
Shit, meet my wife's sisters and you would think the same. They have jobs.

[Spur_Fanatic]

Doubt 90% of them are mentally ill, lol. And don't berate randomly at them, who knows, you could be one of them in 10 years.


Non-Sequitur

The immigration laws aren't about who's the majority race, but about having documenting the people living within our borders.

So because it's not easy to get rid of them, we should just ignore it? We cannot get rid of crime, should we ignore it?

Fair enough, was ment as a joke. What I do say, though, is that getting rid of them is impractical, and most likely would end up being counter productive.

[DMC]

Doubt 90% of them are mentally ill, lol. And don't berate randomly at them, who knows, you could be one of them in 10 years.



Fair enough, was ment as a joke. What I do say, though, is that getting rid of them is impractical, and most likely would end up being counter productive.

Not everything is about production. We have three distinct branches of government, and it's the job of the legislative branch to enact, kill or change laws. The executive branch is responsible for enforcement and the judicial interprets. If we just start having the executive branch ignore laws, we are usurping the power of the legislative branch, and at the same time relieving them of responsibility. They will never make changes if we work around the problems.

[Spur_Fanatic]

Then the question should be, we want those laws enforced, and will this help the economy and the unemployed americans?

[DMC]

Then the question should be, we want those laws enforced, and will this help the economy and the unemployed americans?

We want all laws enforced or we want them changed.

It's not about employment.

[vato loco]

I said the same thing you just said: Homeless people could do it, but they wont.

Could /= will

Yet you followed that up by saying "they don't because they get by better than the working man in Mexico". Maybe I misinterpreted, but that to me seems like you're basically saying they don't because the Mexican immigrants are more desperate for those jobs than the homeless people are. Illegals being more desperate isn't necessarily false, but that's certainly not the reason homeless people don't do those jobs. Even with the illegal immigrants out of the picture homeless people aren't going fill that void.


ROFL

you honestly think homeless people doing low wage, hard-ass backbreaking work with little recognition at all compares with pro chess players filling in pro basketball shoes?

fucking retard

you honestly need to get into the fields and callus those pussy hands of yours up before you act like the homeless not wanting to do this nation's shittiest jobs has anything to do with their ability to do them

Are you fucking kidding me? :lol

Only a true dumbass would think I was comparing the skill required, glamour, or difficulty of the two jobs. I was strictly speaking about how ineffective both scenarios would be dumbass, nothing more. Replacing illegals with homeless in the farms would work out as well as replacing basketball players with chess players would. They're not made for those professions considering their backgrounds...chess players being unathletic retards and the homeless being drug addicts/people with poor work ethic. The majority of them anyways.

[vato loco]

We want all laws enforced or we want them changed.

It's not about employment.

Who's we?

[Spur_Fanatic]

ROFL

you honestly think homeless people doing low wage, hard-ass backbreaking work with little recognition at all compares with pro chess players filling in pro basketball shoes?

fucking retard

you honestly need to get into the fields and callus those pussy hands of yours up before you act like the homeless not wanting to do this nation's shittiest jobs has anything to do with their ability to do them

What? :lmao

[Spur_Fanatic]

I agree with DMC on that the law should be changed or enforced (truly enforced, and not Arizona-racist enforced, whcih would have been called racist as it was written had it been directed at the other minority.

I also agree with vato, no one will ever take those jobs if they are suddenly available.
If black parolees and the homeless don't want those jobs, no one will ever want them. Which means, unless the farmers improve the working conditions and wages, and the gov increase the subs, and food costs go up, things will remain the same.

[DAF86]

I'd pick 100 Mexicans over one Jew.

Is it safe to say that in your opinion one jew more or less equals 100 mexicans?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

DAF, nailin' that unemployed, walgreens employee loving Mexican to the tree of woe

[ezau]

Is it safe to say that in your opinion one jew more or less equals 100 mexicans?

I dunno man, I've never heard of Mexicans getting shoved into ovens. Jews on the other hand....

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Son idk how many times we have to say it, the Holocaust was a small price to pay for our own country in the middle east to regulate and bully Arabs at will.

[DAF86]

I dunno man, I've never heard of Mexicans getting shoved into ovens. Jews on the other hand....

I was just trying to interpret what you said, tbh.

[GoodOdor]

Son idk how many times we have to say it, the Holocaust was a small price to pay for our own country in the middle east to regulate and bully Arabs at will.

Sons we also secretly rule the world, don't forget. So basically 6 mil jews for ruling the world. Pretty good deal imho.

[ezau]

Son idk how many times we have to say it, the Holocaust was a small price to pay for our own country in the middle east to regulate and bully Arabs at will.

:rolleyes

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Sons we also secretly rule the world, don't forget. So basically 6 mil jews for ruling the world. Pretty good deal imho.
Tbh it's not even a secret :lol. Wall street, the legal system, etc. All controlled by Jews, and everyone knows it.

[frodo]

DMCunt doing utmost to act like a mexican when he actually isn't :lol

[DMC]

Yet you followed that up by saying "they don't because they get by better than the working man in Mexico". Maybe I misinterpreted, but that to me seems like you're basically saying they don't because the Mexican immigrants are more desperate for those jobs than the homeless people are. Illegals being more desperate isn't necessarily false, but that's certainly not the reason homeless people don't do those jobs. Even with the illegal immigrants out of the picture homeless people aren't going fill that void.



Are you really as dense as you make yourself out to be?

If the Mexican (not Mexican-American) could live as well as the American homeless, they would never come to the US to pick fruit. The reason the homeless will not do those jobs is the same reason they won't do any job, because unlike people in many other countries, they aren't required to work in order to survive. The social welfare system in the US will allow a person to survive if they accept meager living, without working a minute. Sure they might hold a cardboard sign and parade around on a corner with a fake limp, but they don't even have to do that. That's just for alcohol and drug money.

Don't you think that plenty Mexicans would love to not have to lift a finger to get fed and sheltered? Our homeless would starve to death in Mexico.

So no, the homeless don't defer to the Mexicans, that's not what I was saying. I think most anyone with actively firing synapses understood that already.

[cheguevara]

If the Mexican (not Mexican-American) could live as well as the American homeless, they would never come to the US to pick fruit. The reason the homeless will not do those jobs is the same reason they won't do any job, because unlike people in many other countries, they aren't required to work in order to survive. The social welfare system in the US will allow a person to survive if they accept meager living, without working a minute. Sure they might hold a cardboard sign and parade around on a corner with a fake limp, but they don't even have to do that. That's just for alcohol and drug money.

:lmao this poor guy is living in another planet. Open your eyes, plenty of ppl all over the world are jobless, homeless, etc and they still manage to survive. The US is not the only country where homeless can survive :lol



Don't you think that plenty Mexicans would love to not have to lift a finger to get fed and sheltered? Our homeless would starve to death in Mexico.

There are millions of mexicans IN mexico that don't lift a finger and survive. :lol mexico has tons of homeless and they do just as well or better than US homeless



So no, the homeless don't defer to the Mexicans, that's not what I was saying. I think most anyone with actively firing synapses understood that already.

you really need to travel or at least watch the travel channel or some international news. You will see that ppl are not dropping dead overseas because they have nothing to eat. :lol

ppl do fine. Some ppl just want a better life for their kids thus why they cross the border. A few dollars they make does wonders for their family back home.

Let me stress my point once again cause it seems you did not have breakfast today. Illegals come to this country because they want to improve their conditions. They can get by in their countries. But a few dollars saved up can do wonders.

[DMC]

:lmao this poor guy is living in another planet. Open your eyes, plenty of ppl all over the world are jobless, homeless, etc and they still manage to survive. The US is not the only country where homeless can survive :lol

I didn't say it was. We are referring to Mexico.


There are millions of mexicans IN mexico that don't lift a finger and survive. :lol mexico has tons of homeless and they do just as well or better than US homeless
Not true. If it were true, people wouldn't be dying in Texas fields with empty water jugs in their hands. My game cameras wouldn't have pics of Mexican hordes walking through my lease with gallons of water. Funny, I haven't noticed any American homeless people traveling to Mexico.

Wealthier nations have better standards of living even at the lowest level.


you really need to travel or at least watch the travel channel or some international news. You will see that ppl are not dropping dead overseas because they have nothing to eat. :lol
I am sure I travel more than you.

Nearly a billion people worldwide are starving, UN agency warns

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/10/hunger-population-un-food-environment

But you were saying?



ppl do fine. Some ppl just want a better life for their kids thus why they cross the border. A few dollars they make does wonders for their family back home.
Why does it do wonders for Mexicans but not for Americans? (jeopardy theme here)


Let me stress my point once again cause it seems you did not have breakfast today. Illegals come to this country because they want to improve their conditions. They can get by in their countries. But a few dollars saved up can do wonders.Wonders.... like feeding the kids.

[cheguevara]

wake up and try to see the world. Too much texas bbq is clogging up your brain. :lol

Out of the millions and millions of poor/homeless mexicans. Only a handful actuallly decide to risk it and come to the US. and a handful don't make it.

no homeless in US do not have it better than homeless in Mexico. That is a fairy tale you made up.

:lol bringing up stats from africa and india. that is a totally different topic. :rolleyes

and the answer to your question is easy. Cost of living.

[DMC]

wake up and try to see the world. Too much texas bbq is clogging up your brain. :lol

Nothing wrong with Texas BBQ, but I see the world far more often than I would like. Also, I am married to a Mexican woman and visit Mexico very frequently.


Out of the millions and millions of poor/homeless mexicans. Only a handful actuallly decide to risk it and come to the US. and a handful don't make it.

How big are those hands? You seem inclined to use nebulous terms far too often.


no homeless in US do not have it better than homeless in Mexico. That is a fairy tale you made up.

Really? When you have overweight homeless people dressing in khakis and polos, that's probably better than Mexico has.

The charities in the US are richer than those in Mexico.


:lol bringing up stats from africa and india. that is a totally different topic. :rolleyes

You mentioned "world", not me. If you want to go there, don't get upset at the scenery.


and the answer to your question is easy. Cost of living.
Cost of living...

Why is it so cheap to live in Mexico?

[cheguevara]

:lol charities

yes, homeless in US usually overwheight and wear polos. talk about nebulous terms. :rolleyes

I think we pretty much agree except on the fairy tale of yours that homeless ppl in the US have better quality of living that in Mexico :elephant

[DMC]

Overweight isn't a nebulous term.

[spursncowboys]

When I opened this post, I assumed I was going to see pictures of sunny skies and rainbows. People walking down the street smiling. No one ever having to press 2 for english. I completely misinterpreted where the OP was going with the title.

[jimo2305]

http://all-that-is-interesting.com/post/4921001615/a-view-of-the-us-mexican-border

[vato loco]

Are you really as dense as you make yourself out to be?

If the Mexican (not Mexican-American) could live as well as the American homeless, they would never come to the US to pick fruit. The reason the homeless will not do those jobs is the same reason they won't do any job, because unlike people in many other countries, they aren't required to work in order to survive. The social welfare system in the US will allow a person to survive if they accept meager living, without working a minute. Sure they might hold a cardboard sign and parade around on a corner with a fake limp, but they don't even have to do that. That's just for alcohol and drug money.

Don't you think that plenty Mexicans would love to not have to lift a finger to get fed and sheltered? Our homeless would starve to death in Mexico.

So no, the homeless don't defer to the Mexicans, that's not what I was saying. I think most anyone with actively firing synapses understood that already.

Homie I said I might have misinterpreted, which apparently I did. Your point was not clear at all to be fair. It could've been interpreted in more than one way. You still are and will always be a bitch made faggot though.


When I opened this post, I assumed I was going to see pictures of sunny skies and rainbows. People walking down the street smiling. No one ever having to press 2 for english. I completely misinterpreted where the OP was going with the title.

You're a fag too.

[myhc]

You're a fag too.

so what do you call the fag (you) who calls other people fags? the pillow biter fuckface? :toast :rollin

[it's me]

http://blog.chron.com/texaspolitics/2011/02/texas-demographer-its-basically-over-for-anglos/

[it's me]

You whites go back to Europe where you belong to.

No racist.

[DMC]

You whites go back to Europe where you belong to.

No racist.
No racist to

[Pelicans78]

Son idk how many times we have to say it, the Holocaust was a small price to pay for our own country in the middle east to regulate and bully Arabs at will.

Thats true. Its sad how a small country can regulate an entire region despite those countries having as much resources as anyone. Arabs are pathetic. They should kill themselves. Oh wait, they already do.