Death Penalty

[I. Hustle]

Since they executed that Mexican guy last night I want to know what you guys think about the death penalty. Do you believe that as long as somone kills another person that they deserve to be executed? Do you think that it's something that has no place in society? Are you angry that someone can kill another person and then spend the rest of their lives in jail costing the tax payer close to 40K a year or more than double TC's and Pegs salaries put together?

[Blake]

a death-penalty trial costs $1 million more than one in which prosecutors seek life without parole.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/27/just-cost-death-penalty-killer-state-budgets/#ixzz1RWpDDBKQ

[I. Hustle]

something about $1,000,000 more for trial yadda yadda yadda

I am not arguing for either case, I am just asking your opinion. If a guy spends 20 years in prison he gets pretty close to that millin dollar mark anyway. Some guys go in just out of their teenage years and spend the rest of their lives locked up. So if a guy spends 30 years he surpasses that million dollar mark.
Personally I think that when their is sufficient evidence that a person killed another (like that Malik Hasan guy) person(s) then they should just string them up right away. You did it, people saw you do it, we got it on camera... ok you die tomorrow. NEXT!

[hehateme]

Wouldn't have to spend more money if there was a sentence carried out directly after the verdict. I'm pretty sure if we went back to the old days and bought a noose, chair (or drop hole) and a bag for the head it would save us more than trying to be the moral police and easing their pain through injections/gas.

I seriously believe our country has the worst judicial system and those that do multiple tours in the system speak volumes to that point.

[Wild Cobra]

I think the use of the death penalty needs to be increased for all who act like animals against others. Cut the waiting time, and just get it over with. Good riddens to people who have no respect for others.

[BlackSwordsMan]

Public executions are needed

[boutons_deux]

"Public executions are needed"

That's Entertainment!

btw, the self-proclaimed meanest (and most corrupt) fucking cop in America is going to make a spectacle of his prisoners as the All-Start game:

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Arpaio.gif

Joe Arpaio Turning the All Star Game Into a Embarrassing Spectacle

Arpaio is going to have one of his chain gangs picking up trash outside next week’s Major League Baseball All-Star Game.

http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2011/07/07/263012/joe-arpaio-turning-the-all-star-game-into-a-embarrassing-spectacle/

[Crookshanks]

We'd spend far less money if we cut down the time from the sentencing to the actual execution. Why should these animals get 15+ years to file appeal after appeal? Like the case of this Mexican - there was no doubt as to his guilt, yet he spent 16 years filing appeals. One judge said he'd never seen such a convoluted stream of appeals. The guy was guilty - he was tried and convicted and sentenced to death. He should've been executed years ago!

[coyotes_geek]

I've found myself backing away from my support of the death penalty over the years. I'm not to the point of being outright against it, but I do wish Texas wouldn't be so gung ho about implementing it. IMO, the DP shouldn't be used unless the following conditions are all met.

1. The victim's family supports it.
2. There are multiple eyewitness and/or video evidence to the crime. No one should be put to death for a crime no one saw, or on the word of one individual.
3. In capital crimes involving multipe defendants, only the trigger man can get the DP.

[boutons_deux]

... aka, the sentiment of a hard-core Old Testament-thumper masqerading as a loving "Christian".

The law tries to be conscientiously accurate, as least pro forma, by following a set of rules, regulations, procedures. They were not followed in his case, violating the procedures America insists are to be applied to Americans arrested in other countries.

Don't do as we exceptional Americans do, do as we say y'all must do.

[MannyIsGod]

There's no doubt in the guilt of every case that has been overturned by appeal. Thats kind of what they mean by Guilty beyond all reasonable doubt. Its expensive because those are the lengths we must go to in order to avoid innocent people dying. You can't cut cornes considering the current system likely isn't 100% effective either.

[Saddam]

I'd hate to be on death row and left hanging and waiting.

[ChumpDumper]

It's the one sentence that can't be reversed, so I'm against it.

I suppose the counter argument is "but what if you're really, really, really sure?"

Don't care. We were "really, really, really sure" Anthony Graves was guilty and had to die and we were really, really, really wrong.

[MannyIsGod]

If you want to read up on the most likely case of an innocent man being murdered by the Texas Government - look up the Willingham case. Its very fucked up.

[bus driver]

If you want to read up on the most likely case of an innocent man being murdered by the Texas Government - look up the Willingham case. Its very fucked up.

so Texas is wrong once and a while, nobody's perfect.....so who's next we need to get the show on the road.

[Spurminator]

It's government-sanctioned revenge killing. It doesn't deter crime, it doesn't bring victims back, and it serves no purpose beyond making the families of the victims, and other parties interested in the case, feel somehow emotionally satisfied that the criminal has met the same end as the victim. There's no virtue in that.

[Drachen]

We'd spend far less money if we cut down the time from the sentencing to the actual execution. Why should these animals get 15+ years to file appeal after appeal? Like the case of this Mexican - there was no doubt as to his guilt, yet he spent 16 years filing appeals. One judge said he'd never seen such a convoluted stream of appeals. The guy was guilty - he was tried and convicted and sentenced to death. He should've been executed years ago!

So do we then have different levels of guilty? Something like, "oh no, you are guilty one of capital murder, we are going to smother you with a down pillow tomorrow." or " well you ARE guilty 3 of murder one, so you get 1.5 appeals, but you better file them in the next 2 years". How do we decide this, especially with all of this new dna evidence setting free inmates who have been on death row for a while.

[MannyIsGod]

so Texas is wrong once and a while, nobody's perfect.....so who's next we need to get the show on the road.

Exactly - perfection is impossible which is why the death penalty is pretty dumb to use and why the appeals process is so long.

Also, there's absolutely no evidence that the death penalty serves any sort of deterrence factor in criminal behavior.

So, whats the point?

[Trainwreck2100]

Its been overused for sure but there are some people in this world that should be put down.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

he was garbage and was killed. bid deal
the real story is how Tejas scoffed Obama

[bus driver]

Exactly - perfection is impossible which is why the death penalty is pretty dumb to use and why the appeals process is so long.

Also, there's absolutely no evidence that the death penalty serves any sort of deterrence factor in criminal behavior.

So, whats the point?

neither does building prisons or housing criminals, so as a society based off your logic we should stop building and convicting people. plus the dumb mexican should have gotten a better lawyer, that is how you really get off.

[MannyIsGod]

he was garbage and was killed. bid deal
the real story is how Tejas scoffed Obama

And GWB since he asked for the same thing. Some story.

[ChumpDumper]

neither does building prisons or housing criminals, so as a society based off your logic we should stop building and convicting people. plus the dumb mexican should have gotten a better lawyer, that is how you really get off.Specious.

[Frenzy]

It's easy to say "hey yeah dude is a nut kill him" or at least let some one else do it. This is indeed a grey area for me. It's hard to almost be "god like" and say yeah this guy deserves to die. Much more if you found out later the guy was innocent,which I'm sure has happened. To many factors can play a part and its exhausting to sit here and decide. So I'm not. Where's the sand so I can put my head in it.

[MannyIsGod]

neither does building prisons or housing criminals, so as a society based off your logic we should stop building and convicting people. plus the dumb mexican should have gotten a better lawyer, that is how you really get off.

There is plenty of evidence that prison serves as a deterrent. I actually misspoke though. There is evidence that the DP serves as a deterrent its just that it doesn't do so at a greater rate than prison.

I don't care about the Mexican or the vast majority of people on death row. I won't weep when they're gone because quite frankly most of them are horrible examples of humanity. The point I am trying to make is for those that are innocent - such as Willingham - who are executed. That case as a whole - from the prosecution relying on bad evidence and a lying criminal as a witness to Rick Perry changing political boards in our state in order to make sure an innocent man was given the need - is flat out disgusting.

When you throw in the extra cost then I don't see a reason to even have the death penalty. Its expensive, ineffective, and can cause innocent people to die.

[Drachen]

he was garbage and was killed. bid deal
the real story is how Tejas scoffed Obama

The real story is how Texas scoffed at Americans (including Texans).

[desflood]

If you want to read up on the most likely case of an innocent man being murdered by the Texas Government - look up the Willingham case. Its very fucked up.
While I agree that that case in particular was a major screw job from the very beginning, I never was completely convinced the man was innocent for one specific reason: As a parent, there's no fucking way that I leave a burning house without at least one of my kids. Nope. I'll die a horrible death searching through the smoke for them before I'll run outside to save my worthless ass while they burn. Because that's the thing about having kids that you actually wanted to have; parental instinct trumps survival instinct.

[Drachen]

BTW I am against the death penalty because (as I put in the other thread), I think it is far too easy of a punishment for the crimes that these guys are convicted of. Screw that.

[redzero]

BTW I am against the death penalty because (as I put in the other thread), I think it is far too easy of a punishment for the crimes that these guys are convicted of. Screw that.

Lots of criminals on death row disagree with you.

[boutons_deux]

The fundamental problem with the death penalty is that corrupt, racist, career-padding prosecutors, experts, law enforcement convict innocents, and that's in addition to simple mistakes.

Only a ignorant Useful Idiot of a bubba tool like dubya would say the of the 500+ executed when he was governor of US Champion Executioner TX, that every one was truly guilty (iow, TX's criminal justice system is perfectly accurate with executions)

[I. Hustle]

Ok then how about this idea. We take all these guys on death row and put them on an island and provide them with food and water by plane. Then when we are training guys to be in green berets or seals or whatever we drop them on the island and see if they can survive for x amount of days. Those that kick ass get out and those that can't... well they don't.

[Blake]

I am not arguing for either case, I am just asking your opinion.

you don't seem to have the costs of incarceration correct, so I was just pointing you down a path filled with costs.

No need to get butthurt that I didn't give my opinion off the bat.


If a guy spends 20 years in prison he gets pretty close to that millin dollar mark anyway. Some guys go in just out of their teenage years and spend the rest of their lives locked up. So if a guy spends 30 years he surpasses that million dollar mark.

It goes beyond the $1 million per trial. I've seen sufficient evidence myself that it costs more on any number of levels to hand down a death penalty sentence than life without parole (LWOP).

I've waivered back and forth on the moral side, but the costs pretty much end the waivering for me.


Personally I think that when their is sufficient evidence that a person killed another (like that Malik Hasan guy) person(s) then they should just string them up right away. You did it, people saw you do it, we got it on camera... ok you die tomorrow. NEXT!

So you want to scrap the legal system.

Not a very well thought out opinion, in my opinion.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

some good points being made, but anybody that hasnt read the story or know the facts should, before defending this monster.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

And GWB since he asked for the same thing. Some story.

after we bitched out on the TSA bill, ill take what i can get

[Blake]

Lots of criminals on death row disagree with you.

a number of criminals placed in the general population would disagree with that.

[redzero]

The criminals who hate being locked up for life could kill themselves if they really want to get out.

[I. Hustle]

you don't seem to have the costs of incarceration correct, so I was just pointing you down a path filled with costs.

No need to get butthurt that I didn't give my opinion off the bat.



It goes beyond the $1 million per trial. I've seen sufficient evidence myself that it costs more on any number of levels to hand down a death penalty sentence than life without parole (LWOP).

I've waivered back and forth on the moral side, but the costs pretty much end the waivering for me.



So you want to scrap the legal system.

Not a very well thought out opinion, in my opinion.


Do I want to scrap the legal system? No, I want them to change it so that murderers like Hasan just get caught then executed. Why is that not a good opinion in your opinion? Cutting time and energy, not to mention money, wasted on these individuals that are guilty without a doubt? I'm not talking about a guy suspected of murder but of someone who was actually out in the open and doing it in front of others.
If cost is the deciding factor for you then this way is pretty favorable in these cases then.

[I. Hustle]

The criminals who hate being locked up for life could kill themselves if they really want to get out.

That is an excellent alternative.

[Blake]

The criminals who hate being locked up for life could kill themselves if they really want to get out.

Interesting idea. Can you give an example of how someone can kill him/herself in the pen?

[redzero]

Interesting idea. Can you give an example of how someone can kill him/herself in the pen?

1.) Steal utensil.
2.) Make shiv.
3.) Use on self.

[ManuBalboa]

I'm against it. In cases of rape/murder they should cut off their dicks and hook them up to a constant IV drip of liquid viagra. Have fun with it. Hammurabi was just getting the ball rolling.

[I. Hustle]

Interesting idea. Can you give an example of how someone can kill him/herself in the pen?


I don't want to tell you because I don't want you to hurt yourself trying.

[I. Hustle]

I'm against it. In cases of rape/murder they should cut off their dicks and hook them up to a constant IV drip of liquid viagra. Have fun with it. Hammurabi was just getting the ball rolling.

I am all for that. These serial rapists guys or the ones that prey on little kids need something more than just a couple of years in jail and a piece of paper telling them to stay away from schools and churches.
They just need to strap them down and go Lorena Bobbit on them.

[jack sommerset]

There have been, on average, 34 executions in the US each year since 1977.

45 murders are committed each day in the U.S.

[I. Hustle]

For instance this chick would go straight to the front of the line.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/2-kids-found-dead-in-Colorado-were-smothered-1458015.php

[Blake]

Do I want to scrap the legal system? No, I want them to change it so that murderers like Hasan just get caught then executed. Why is that not a good opinion in your opinion? Cutting time and energy, not to mention money, wasted on these individuals that are guilty without a doubt? I'm not talking about a guy suspected of murder but of someone who was actually out in the open and doing it in front of others.
If cost is the deciding factor for you then this way is pretty favorable in these cases then.

There honestly is no such thing as "Without a doubt" no matter how hard you think the evidence might be.

Therefore, it's not a good opinion in my opinion because having the right to appeal is a good thing.

[Drachen]

Lots of criminals on death row disagree with you.

Well lucky for them they got the easy way out (the light punishment), they don't have to think about it anymore as soon as their sentence is carried out.

[Drachen]

Interesting idea. Can you give an example of how someone can kill him/herself in the pen?

why would they do that? As it stands now they get the easy way, someone else does it for them (and it hurts a lot less).

[z0sa]

The main problem with the life sentence is the costs of lifelong incarceration, as anyone educated on the matter will point out

the reality is, this nation needs to imprison less people (cough drug offenders cough)

[Drachen]

I realize I sound like a dick about this so I will try to stop sounding that way. I recognize that I see things differently than those who want to kill em all and those who don't want to for moral reasons and it is an unpopular way of looking at things, but there it is. Anyway, sorry for sounding like such a dick.

[Drachen]

The main problem with the life sentence is the costs of lifelong incarceration, as anyone educated on the matter will point out

the reality is, this nation needs to imprison less people (cough drug offenders cough)

It was said upstream that the costs of a deathrow inmate far outweigh those of a LWOP inmate.

[redzero]

(the light punishment)

Says you. Obviously, many people disagree with death being a lighter sentence.

[z0sa]

It was said upstream that the costs of a deathrow inmate far outweigh those of a LWOP inmate.

further proof of why we shouldn't have it

we could afford to hold all of these truly dangerous fuckers in prison if less people were being incarcerated for stupid shit like a 20 of coke

[Drachen]

Says you. Obviously, many people disagree with death being a lighter sentence.

You are right, it is "in my opinion". However, I will say this: there is a reason that suicide is a thing.

[Ghandi]

An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind.

[redzero]

You are right, it is "in my opinion". However, I will say this: there is a reason that suicide is a thing.

People who want to die commit suicide. If every prisoner on death row wanted to die, you would have a point.

[I. Hustle]

There honestly is no such thing as "Without a doubt" no matter how hard you think the evidence might be.

Therefore, it's not a good opinion in my opinion because having the right to appeal is a good thing.

When someone is seen by multiple reliable witnesses killing someone else then there is no doubt they did it. So I think it's dumb for you to say my opinion is not a good opinion in your opinion in my opinion.

[HoratioCain]

When someone is seen by multiple reliable witnesses killing someone else then there is no doubt they did it. So I think it's dumb for you to say my opinion is not a good opinion in your opinion in my opinion.

You do know that eye witness testimony is not always reliable. Believe me, I've been a witness to it.

[z0sa]

When someone is seen by multiple reliable witnesses killing someone else then there is no doubt they did it. So I think it's dumb for you to say my opinion is not a good opinion in your opinion in my opinion.

multiple witnesses of the same crime often tell quite a different story, homie

[Ignignokt]

multiple witnesses of the same crime often tell quite a different story, homie

faggot!!!

[MannyIsGod]

further proof of why we shouldn't have it

we could afford to hold all of these truly dangerous fuckers in prison if less people were being incarcerated for stupid shit like a 20 of coke

Yup

[z0sa]

faggot!!!

juvenile fantasy attack

[I. Hustle]

multiple witnesses of the same crime often tell quite a different story, homie

Like in the Hasan case?

[z0sa]

Like in the Hasan case?

just sayin'

[Drachen]

People who want to die commit suicide. If every prisoner on death row wanted to die, you would have a point.

Maybe they don't have the balls to do that, or they know that there is an easy, painless way out right around the corner, or maybe they are hoping that their next appeal gets them out. A life is (or can be) a long time. There may not be any remorse today, or tomorrow, maybe even never, but give I want to give the chance for the nightmares to start, for them to feel really sick about what they did and then have to live with that. Additionally, most of the guys there wouldn't be as well received in GP and so death row is a refuge.

[Phillip]

I don't agree with death penalty. I think life without parole in a shithole prison is much worse to deal with than the death penalty anyways. If I had the choice between either, I would probably take death.

[Drachen]

further proof of why we shouldn't have it

we could afford to hold all of these truly dangerous fuckers in prison if less people were being incarcerated for stupid shit like a 20 of coke

While I agree with you, I do want to say that the point was that DR inmates cost more, so your statement could even be changed to say that "we could afford to hold all of these truly dangerous fuckers in prison if less people were being put on DR and sent for execution."

[redzero]

Maybe they don't have the balls to do that, or they know that there is an easy, painless way out right around the corner, or maybe they are hoping that their next appeal gets them out. A life is (or can be) a long time. There may not be any remorse today, or tomorrow, maybe even never, but give I want to give the chance for the nightmares to start, for them to feel really sick about what they did and then have to live with that. Additionally, most of the guys there wouldn't be as well received in GP and so death row is a refuge.

Lot's of maybes. If people would truly rather die than spend the rest of their time life in prison, they can alleviate that problem.

[z0sa]

While I agree with you, I do want to say that the point was that DR inmates cost more, so your statement could even be changed to say that "we could afford to hold all of these truly dangerous fuckers in prison if less people were being put on DR and sent for execution."

no, if i haven't made it clear in my tone, I'm 100% against the death penalty

it isn't about saving money, it's about locking up the people who need to be locked up and letting the people who aren't dangerous to anyone but "society" live their lives

[z0sa]

learned in economics of crime that most economists actually support legalization of drugs or at least decriminalization.

it's a big joke, bro, because legalizing "soft" drugs like marijuana and cocaine would not only bring a shit ton of magically created revenue to the federal/state governments in the form of taxation, it'd actually increase AND save jobs at the same time

not only that, without marijuana and cocaine busts, where would the war on drugs be? ultimately, way less money would be appropriated towards down that futile, wasteful avenue, because they'd have a small fraction of the busts to show for their huge operating costs

[Blake]

1.) Steal utensil.
2.) Make shiv.
3.) Use on self.

Not really that easy to commit suicide in jail, tbh.

[Blake]

why would they do that? As it stands now they get the easy way, someone else does it for them (and it hurts a lot less).

assuming every death row and LWOP inmate feel exactly the same way about death vs LWOP.

[redzero]

Inmates could also try to hang themselves, provoke other inmates into killing them, etc. They could probably get it done if they really want to die.

[ManuBalboa]

Why even talk of costs. Since when have costs meant anything in this great country lolololol.

If it costs 2 billion to execute each inmate it wouldn't make any difference. Oh no, we might have to cut back on state food stamp cards being used in Hawaii. The horror.

[Drachen]

Lot's of maybes. If people would truly rather die than spend the rest of their time life in prison, they can alleviate that problem.

unless they are cowards.

[Blake]

When someone is seen by multiple reliable witnesses killing someone else then there is no doubt they did it.

that's a terrible assumption.


So I think it's dumb for you to say my opinion is not a good opinion in your opinion in my opinion.

based on your terrible assumption, your opinion is still not a good opinion in my opinion

[Blake]

it's actually very easy to kill yourself in prison and you'd be surprised how easy it is for an inmate to make a shank.


have you ever killed yourself in prison? how easy was it for you?


they confiscate hundreds of these makeshift shanks daily.

exactly.


but it's besides the point really.

agreed.

[Blake]

If it costs 2 billion to execute each inmate it wouldn't make any difference.


After decades of moral arguments reaching biblical proportions, after long, twisted journeys to the nation's highest court and back, the death penalty may be abandoned by several states for a reason having nothing to do with right or wrong:

Money.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29552692/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/execute-or-not-question-cost/

[Blake]

don't be stupid bro. if it's that easy to make a shank in prison, inmates have all the opportunity in the world to kill themselves. with all the shankings that go on in prison, it would be that much easier to shank yourself.

Most stats I've seen around the country and even England show around 90+% of prison suicides are from hangings.

Really not worth discussing though.

[Isitjustme?]

Jesus Christ another death penalty discussion?

This has to be like the 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000th such discussion about this on the internet at this point. Maybe next you guys can break down which party is better; Republican or Democrat.

[Blake]

Jesus Christ another death penalty discussion?

This has to be like the 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000th such discussion about this on the internet at this point. Maybe next you guys can break down which party is better; Republican or Democrat.

I'd like to see another God discussion, tbh.

[Drachen]

Besides, if they kill themselves, I really don't have a problem with that. They were tormented enough that their only option was to end it themselves. Punishment served.

[Isitjustme?]

I'd like to see another God discussion, tbh.

tbh since I'm an atheist I always like to see it when religious people get asshurt. But I know for a fact without reading this thread that the arguments made in here have been made countless times over and over and over and over again already.

[I. Hustle]

Jesus Christ another death penalty discussion?

This has to be like the 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000th such discussion about this on the internet at this point. Maybe next you guys can break down which party is better; Republican or Democrat.

How many of them have you commented on? Did you really count or is that a ballpark figure? What was your opinion on all the ones that you commented on? Or do you just see a thread and go in to bitch about it because other people have or are discussing it already?

I go independant btw tbqh

[I. Hustle]

tbh since I'm an atheist I always like to see it when religious people get asshurt. But I know for a fact without reading this thread that the arguments made in here have been made countless times over and over and over and over again already.

Give me an example of a thread that hasn't been done "over and over and over and over again already". Do you think that because an argument has already been made that it makes it less valid?
You do know that history repeats itself right? This is not the first time this topic has been discussed and no way it will be the last time.
What you should do is remove yourself from the internet that way you prevent having to read shit over again and again and again and again...

[Gordon Hayward]

Does Blake purposefully act like a not-as-smart homeless man's version of Chumpdumper, or is it unintentional?

[MannyIsGod]

Jesus Christ another death penalty discussion?

This has to be like the 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000th such discussion about this on the internet at this point. Maybe next you guys can break down which party is better; Republican or Democrat.

Are YOU really going to critique the originality of threads made by others?

[Drachen]

I'd like to see another God discussion, tbh.

How about a thread entitled "If god exists, would she be a democrat or republican, and would that political leaning have any effect whatsoever on her opinion on abortion?"

[I. Hustle]

How about a thread entitled "If god exists, would she be a democrat or republican, and would that political leaning have any effect whatsoever on her opinion on abortion?"

And what would her favorite ice cream be?

[Blake]

Does Blake purposefully act like a not-as-smart homeless man's version of Chumpdumper, or is it unintentional?

Ive been posting on this board for several years now in pretty much the same manner.

My only guess to these types of posts is butthurt.

[Phillip]

Does Blake purposefully act like a not-as-smart homeless man's version of Chumpdumper, or is it unintentional?

That's pretty much exactly what Blake has been his entire time here.

[Blake]

How about a thread entitled "If god exists, would she be a democrat or republican, and would that political leaning have any effect whatsoever on her opinion on abortion?"

So god was a lesbian?

I wonder who the immaculate sperm donor was.

[Gordon Hayward]

Ive been posting on this board for several years now in pretty much the same manner.

My only guess to these types of posts is butthurt.

It was a sincere question. I have no reason to be butthurt. You probably just assumed that because you didn't like the nature of my question.


That's pretty much exactly what Blake has been his entire time here.

Oh ok. I thought that maybe I was the only one who had noticed that.

[Isitjustme?]

Are YOU really going to critique the originality of threads made by others?

Yes, yes I am. Most of my threads are just breaking news stories or commenting on things that are happening atm. I wouldn't start a "Abortion: Good or bad?" thread. Aside from one "Random Thoughts" thread I started I can't imagine anything I started that would be considered tired or derivative. Great original arguments ITT btw. I didn't read them fwiw I just know whatever you said it has been said 4 trillion times already.

[I. Hustle]

Yes, yes I am. Most of my threads are just breaking news stories or commenting on things that are happening atm. I wouldn't start a "Abortion: Good or bad?" thread. Aside from one "Random Thoughts" thread I started I can't imagine anything I started that would be considered tired or derivative. Great original arguments ITT btw. I didn't read them fwiw I just know whatever you said it has been said 4 trillion times already.

Kind of like complaining about shit that's been said a trillion times before huh?

[Koolaid_Man]

whenever i took a criminal justice course we learned that it costs either 2 or 3 times as much (can't remember) to execute someone as it does to house them in prison for 50 years. also, there is strong evidence that it's not actually a deterrent at all, in fact the states with capital punishment also have the highest murder rates. there is a theory that if the state sets an example of violence, psychologically it teaches people that this is the way to behave. that some people deserve to die and maybe that has something to do with it. either way, im not sympathetic toward shitheads, and while they probably do deserve to die, what's the point if it's only going to cost a shit ton of taxpayer money and set the precedent for more people to die?

Don't be scared to pull da trigga dawg. Break into my crib or try a jack move its goodbye world :lol

I'm a firm believer in the death penalty once there's DNA proof and overwhelming circumstantial evidence. I would have given Casey the death penalty based on her not reporting her kid missing and knowing all the while she was dead. When a kid goes missing panic sets in within seconds for parents. This is all the circumstantial evidence I need. Furthermore, to add insult to injury she hit the stupid fucking jury with Zanny the Nanny :lmao and those asshole morons bought it hook, line, and sinker.

You gotta have some balls to handle your business when its time to. Stop being afraid to take a life when its warranted. You don't sound like you got no heart to me. Don't flinch man don't be scared do the right thing, pull the fucking trigger...and if that's too much for you then stick that fucking needle in that bitches arm.

[Blake]

don't be scared do the right thing

welsher

[Blake]

It was a sincere question. I have no reason to be butthurt. You probably just assumed that because you didn't like the nature of my question.

my guess here is that you are a sock puppet troll of a butthurt Tyson_Chandler.


Oh ok. I thought that maybe I was the only one who had noticed that.

You aren't the only one whose butt has become swollen because of something I've said.

[mingus]

I don't know if it doesn't or does deter crime. I think there is an argument to be made for both sides (for or against). I say leave it as an option and let the jury decide. For me personally I wouldn't do it.

[MannyIsGod]

Yes, yes I am. Most of my threads are just breaking news stories or commenting on things that are happening atm. I wouldn't start a "Abortion: Good or bad?" thread. Aside from one "Random Thoughts" thread I started I can't imagine anything I started that would be considered tired or derivative. Great original arguments ITT btw. I didn't read them fwiw I just know whatever you said it has been said 4 trillion times already.

Actually that was my bad. I confused you with someone else. Carry on with your unoriginal bitching about unoriginal threads as I was wrong. :toast

[Gordon Hayward]

my guess here is that you are a sock puppet troll of a butthurt Tyson_Chandler.



You aren't the only one whose butt has become swollen because of something I've said.

I can assure you I'm not Tyson_Chandler. But if it makes you feel better to think that, then go right on ahead.

I asked a simple question and received a simple answer. And you're doing an impressive job of reinforcing my original observation. Please continue talking about butts with your exceedingly clever wordplay, while you show off your rapier wit.

[Koolaid_Man]

the death penalty has absolutely nothing to do with the right to defend yourself, your family, or your home. you better believe that if a sucker comes through that door im blasting that ass with the mossberg, but that ain't got shit to do with the fact that the death penalty costs an asston of taxpayer dollars that we dont have, as well as the fact that states with the death penalty have the highest murder rates. having the death penalty in your state actually makes people more inclined to commit murder, the proof is in the pudding on that one. I say let em rot in jail, save some money, but if they really want the death penalty and must insist then they can come see me, I'll blast that ass to Kingdom Come with no remorse.


Listen you're trying to bring the cost element into this. Listen if you kill them for coming into your home that's called the death penalty. If the state kills them for coming into your home and killing you that's also called the death penalty. If I'm somehow unlucky to kill them first and they end up killing me then l'd hope either my family gets to them or the state carries out capital punishment. It's the same concept dude. You can throw cost in there if you like to justify your position but you know dam well that if someone killed your mama or daughter and the state caught them you'd be screaming for their head on a platter. If not I don't know what kind of Indian blood you carrying.

[mingus]

it's a big joke, bro, because legalizing "soft" drugs like marijuana and cocaine would not only bring a shit ton of magically created revenue to the federal/state governments in the form of taxation, it'd actually increase AND save jobs at the same time

not only that, without marijuana and cocaine busts, where would the war on drugs be? ultimately, way less money would be appropriated towards down that futile, wasteful avenue, because they'd have a small fraction of the busts to show for their huge operating costs

I'm all for legalizing weed, but when you get to shot like coke it's taking it too far. We live in an impulse fulfilling, quick gratification society. People can't seem to help themselves. I don't trust people enough. Don't trust their self discipline to have unfettered access to coke. Coke is just too easy to get addicted to and to corrosive when addiction does happen.

[Blake]

I can assure you I'm not Tyson_Chandler. But if it makes you feel better to think that, then go right on ahead.

so you're a clone of some other butthurt poster.

I feel no better/no worse over that revelation.


I asked a simple question and received a simple answer. And you're doing an impressive job of reinforcing my original observation. Please continue talking about butts with your exceedingly clever wordplay, while you show off your rapier wit.

butthurt sock puppet with 75 posts will be butthurt

lol

[Gordon Hayward]

so you're a clone of some other butthurt poster.

I feel no better/no worse over that revelation.



butthurt sock puppet with 75 posts will be butthurt

lol

I'm not surprised that your reasoning leads you to believe me saying I'm not Tyson, is me saying I'm some other "butthurt" poster.

I'm not sure why someone would need to be "butthurt" to think you're a bootleg version of Chumpdumper.

The more you talk about butts, the more I can't help but think Chumpdumper would have much better retorts in this situation.

[Blake]

I'm not surprised that your reasoning leads you to believe me saying I'm not Tyson, is me saying I'm some other "butthurt" poster.

76 posts with 4 or 5 of them out of nowhere talking about me leads me to believe you are a butthurt sock puppet.


I'm not sure why someone would need to be "butthurt" to think you're a bootleg version of Chumpdumper.

You being butthurt is definitely not a requirement for you to attempt a troll job on me. You could have any number of reasons for this lame attempt.

My guess is still "butthurt".


The more you talk about butts, the more I can't help but think Chumpdumper would have much better retorts in this situation.

The more you talk about me, the more I really believe you are just a butthurt sock puppet.

good conversation :tu

[Booharv]

tbh I'm against the death penalty but I think prisoners should be made to do some work that produces goods worth enough to offset their incarceration fees. I know it would hypothetically take away some jobs from regular citizens, but the tax money saved from having to pay for their incarceration could be pumped back into the economy theoretically and that would offset it (?)

[TDMVPDPOY]

how much does it cost per execution compared to life sentence...

seriously execution shouldnt cost much, a bullet is worth shit all anyway, hence rope and shovel how cheap can that be

why waste money going through courts and appeals...

[Gordon Hayward]

76 posts with 4 or 5 of them out of nowhere talking about me leads me to believe you are a butthurt sock puppet.



You being butthurt is definitely not a requirement for you to attempt a troll job on me. You could have any number of reasons for this lame attempt.

My guess is still "butthurt".



The more you talk about me, the more I really believe you are just a butthurt sock puppet.

good conversation :tu

"Attempt" a troll job? You think I'm a troll yet you're determined to convince everyone I'm a "butthurt sock puppet"? I guess it's safe to assume you're easily trolled.

Regardless, it's hard to argue with someone who so convincingly proves their point by using terms like "butthurt sock puppet".

Chumpdumper would be faring much better right about now.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm all for legalizing weed, but when you get to shot like coke it's taking it too far. We live in an impulse fulfilling, quick gratification society. People can't seem to help themselves. I don't trust people enough. Don't trust their self discipline to have unfettered access to coke. Coke is just too easy to get addicted to and to corrosive when addiction does happen.

Um, I hate to let you in on this secret but we already live in that society. Anyone who wants coke is not going to have any problems getting it.

[Prime1]

Um, I hate to let you in on this secret but we already live in that society. Anyone who wants coke is not going to have any problems getting it.

I don't think its that easy, I've had periods when shit got dry out there. This is for other drugs, coke is too expensive. Also when you move its not always so easy to just find drugs when you don't know anybody.

[Vici]

I don't think its that easy, I've had periods when shit got dry out there. This is for other drugs, coke is too expensive. Also when you move its not always so easy to just find drugs when you don't know anybody.

I know someone who is a recovering addict. From time to time she will go on her binges and the one thing that always gets me is she knows exactly where to look. Doesn't matter if it's a new city or a country town, she can get high anywhere.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

We'd spend far less money if we cut down the time from the sentencing to the actual execution. Why should these animals get 15+ years to file appeal after appeal?
Because they might be innocent you stupid fuck

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'm all for legalizing weed, but when you get to shot like coke it's taking it too far. We live in an impulse fulfilling, quick gratification society. People can't seem to help themselves. I don't trust people enough. Don't trust their self discipline to have unfettered access to coke. Coke is just too easy to get addicted to and to corrosive when addiction does happen.
Great point! That way people who are addicted to coke will commit crimes and kill to get it illegally rather than visit a corner store to buy it legally!

[Prime1]

Because they might be innocent you stupid fuck

Like that would ever happen... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution)

[DMC]

Death penalty needs to exist. I am all for any method of clearing someone however.

[Blake]

"Attempt" a troll job? You think I'm a troll yet you're determined to convince everyone I'm a "butthurt sock puppet"? I guess it's safe to assume you're easily trolled.

:lol I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.

you're a butthurt sock puppet "attempting" a troll job.


Regardless, it's hard to argue with someone who so convincingly proves their point by using terms like "butthurt sock puppet".

:lol there's nobody arguing that you are or aren't. Just my opinion.


Chumpdumper would be faring much better right about now.

one way to find out. I think you should go for it! :tu

[Blake]

Dammit blake why do you have to act gay as fuck we were all having a discussion about the death penalty and you just come in here adding a bunch of homosexuality to the atmosphere.

Nobody but you is stopping you from pulling your skirt up and getting back on the topic.

[mingus]

Great point! That way people who are addicted to coke will commit crimes and kill to get it illegally rather than visit a corner store to buy it legally!

How does legalizing coke eliminate crimes related to obtaining it? People who are addicted to coke won't hold jobs if they have an addiction to it. For the majority of people, they won't be able TP keep a job while addicted. So where do they get the money then. You live in fantasy land. Hang around some real coke addicts. Then were going to have to pay taxes for all the people that develop heart problems because of usage.

[Blake]

skirt up? skirt down was the reason your wife left your fat mcdonald's eating ass, ED is a common complication resulting from diabetes you know. stfu already you're annoying.

Lol you're a dumb fuck that gets his pussy swollen too easily

[Blake]

too bad you couldn't make your wife's pussy swell up nice and fat, she found someone who did though

So you complain about getting off topic but still can't figure out how to pull that skirt back up.

The swelling in your crotch is severe.

[Gordon Hayward]

It's amusing watching a defeated man act like he's regulating people by talking about their swollen crotches and butts.

[silverblk mystix]

On one hand; Against it. It just doesn't make sense to say, "you murdered someone...so now we are going to murder you."

On the other hand; If you guys had any experience in dealing with some of these heinous criminals...you might have a new perspective. As much as I hate to hear of someone innocent getting screwed...I also see these killers who have done the most horrible unthinkable acts...and, I'm sorry...they need to die.

Statistics are always used to try and support your OWN argument. If you are against the death penalty...of course the statistic you will trot out is that X state which supports the death penalty-has a higher homicide rate...blah-blah...

BULL-FUCKIN'-SHIT!

Criminals are keenly aware of what they are doing and how much they are risking---unless they are mentally ill. A murderer will know exactly which states have the death penalty and believe me...if they think they will get fried...they DO think twice about committing a capital murder. Statistics are bullshit. Only college students and people who live their lives vicariously through books and see the world through classroom discussions trot out statistics.

In the real fucking world these statistics don't mean shit when you interact with dirtbags on a daily basis and see how they see the world. When you see how a lifelong criminal comports himself and how these so-called tough guys out on the street become little jailhouse lawyers using the system, abusing their friends,family,counselors,etc....

When you see this...you will not waste your time on statistics.

To the idiot that said that suicide is not easy to do in jail...you are a stupid dumb fuck...how fucking hard is it to wrap a fuckin sheet around your neck and hang yourself? It happens a lot. It happens when an inmate really wants to...but the fact of the matter is that they won't most of the time because they are tough in the outside world when they can pick on weak prey...on the inside they are the biggest pussies in the world. Except for a few who are dangerous,unstable and have incredible strength. Those guys are just dangerous anywhere and will always be a menace to society.

The death penalty is absolutely a deterrent to killing. Criminals are keenly aware that if they kill...they will also be killed. This is something that they can understand. This is something that somehow does not escape their comprehension. Opportunists are keenly aware of what is and isn't at stake. Only experience can help you see and understand this--not this fuckin' classroom libertarian pussyfootin' about reality by viewing it through a goddamn filtered idealism.

[Gordon Hayward]

not like your ex wife's pussy right about now though. she must feel rejuvenated and young again, free from that shitty relationship.

playa advice: if you ever want to find a new wife, the first step is to stop eating breakfast at mcdonalds every day.

":lol more crotch swelling butthurtedness. The only reason people think I'm pathetic is because they're butthurt from me owning them."

-Blake

[boutons_deux]

Death Penalty, Still Racist and Arbitrary

LAST week was the 35th anniversary of the return of the American death penalty. It remains as racist and as random as ever.

Several years after the death penalty was reinstated in 1976, a University of Iowa law professor, David C. Baldus (who died last month), along with two colleagues, published a study examining more than 2,000 homicides that took place in Georgia beginning in 1972. They found that black defendants were 1.7 times more likely to receive the death penalty than white defendants and that murderers of white victims were 4.3 times more likely to be sentenced to death than those who killed blacks.

In Texas, though, they do come close. In 2008, the district attorney of Harris County, Chuck Rosenthal, resigned after news emerged that he had sent and received racist e-mails. His office had sought the death penalty in 25 cases; his successor has sought it in 7. Of the total 32 cases, 29 involve a nonwhite defendant.

Since 1976, Texas has carried out 470 executions (well more than a third of the national total of 1,257). You can count on one hand the number of those executions that involved a white murderer and a black victim and you do not need to use your thumb, ring finger, index finger or pinkie.

Well, you might need the pinkie. On June 16, Texas executed Lee Taylor, who at age 16 beat an elderly couple while robbing their home. The 79-year-old husband died of his injuries. Mr. Taylor was sentenced to life in prison; there he joined the Aryan Brotherhood, a white gang, and, four years into his sentence, murdered a black inmate and was sentenced to death. When Mr. Taylor was executed, it was reported that he was the second white person in Texas executed for killing a black person. Actually, he should be counted as the first. The other inmate, Larry Hayes, executed in 2003, killed two people, one of whom was white.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/09/opinion/09dow.html?pagewanted=print

[boutons_deux]

Death Penalty, Still Racist and Arbitrary

LAST week was the 35th anniversary of the return of the American death penalty. It remains as racist and as random as ever.

Several years after the death penalty was reinstated in 1976, a University of Iowa law professor, David C. Baldus (who died last month), along with two colleagues, published a study examining more than 2,000 homicides that took place in Georgia beginning in 1972. They found that black defendants were 1.7 times more likely to receive the death penalty than white defendants and that murderers of white victims were 4.3 times more likely to be sentenced to death than those who killed blacks.

In Texas, though, they do come close. In 2008, the district attorney of Harris County, Chuck Rosenthal, resigned after news emerged that he had sent and received racist e-mails. His office had sought the death penalty in 25 cases; his successor has sought it in 7. Of the total 32 cases, 29 involve a nonwhite defendant.

Since 1976, Texas has carried out 470 executions (well more than a third of the national total of 1,257). You can count on one hand the number of those executions that involved a white murderer and a black victim and you do not need to use your thumb, ring finger, index finger or pinkie.

Well, you might need the pinkie. On June 16, Texas executed Lee Taylor, who at age 16 beat an elderly couple while robbing their home. The 79-year-old husband died of his injuries. Mr. Taylor was sentenced to life in prison; there he joined the Aryan Brotherhood, a white gang, and, four years into his sentence, murdered a black inmate and was sentenced to death. When Mr. Taylor was executed, it was reported that he was the second white person in Texas executed for killing a black person. Actually, he should be counted as the first. The other inmate, Larry Hayes, executed in 2003, killed two people, one of whom was white.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/09/opinion/09dow.html?pagewanted=print

[Ignignokt]

blake wears a bicycle helmet when playing the drums.

[silverblk mystix]

:lmao yeah, science and facts don't mean shit!

Yeah, statistics and facts are one and the same...:lmao

[MannyIsGod]

Yes, they are.

:lmao

[MannyIsGod]

The statistic that says Texas murder rate is the highest is NOT a fact. Its a statistic.

Oh shit man.

:lmao

[silverblk mystix]

The statistic that says Texas murder rate is the highest is NOT a fact. Its a statistic.

Oh shit man.

:lmao

Get out in the real world...

anyone can use statistics for their agenda...

the death penalty is not the only thing that factors into whether a murder is committed or not...

but if your life is lived vicariously through books and data...you would be gullible enough to base your view of the world by what any statistics POINT TO.

[silverblk mystix]

:lmao




Statistics are like women; mirrors of purest virtue and truth, or like whores to use as one pleases. ~Theodor Billroth


Do not put your faith in what statistics say until you have carefully considered what they do not say. ~William W. Watt


Then there is the man who drowned crossing a stream with an average depth of six inches. ~W.I.E. Gates


There are two kinds of statistics, the kind you look up and the kind you make up. ~Rex Stout, Death of a Doxy


I always find that statistics are hard to swallow and impossible to digest. The only one I can ever remember is that if all the people who go to sleep in church were laid end to end they would be a lot more comfortable. ~Mrs. Robert A. Taft


Satan delights equally in statistics and in quoting scripture.... ~H.G. Wells, The Undying Fire


The average human has one breast and one testicle. ~Des McHale


While the individual man is an insoluble puzzle, in the aggregate he becomes a mathematical certainty. You can, for example, never foretell what any one man will be up to, but you can say with precision what an average number will be up to. Individuals vary, but percentages remain constant. So says the statistician. ~Arthur Conan Doyle


A statistical analysis, properly conducted, is a delicate dissection of uncertainties, a surgery of suppositions. ~M.J. Moroney


Statistics may be defined as "a body of methods for making wise decisions in the face of uncertainty." ~W.A. Wallis

[MannyIsGod]

I never said statistics (or facts) are the end all be all. Thats your mistake, not mine. Every form of analysis requires appropriate context. That has nothing to do with your stupid assertion that statistics aren't facts.

[rascal]

I am against it. No man has the right to kill another for any crime he commits. Let God sort it out in the end.

The cost has no bearing on anything. More money is wasted on other things less important.

[rascal]

On one hand; Against it. It just doesn't make sense to say, "you murdered someone...so now we are going to murder you."

On the other hand; If you guys had any experience in dealing with some of these heinous criminals...you might have a new perspective. As much as I hate to hear of someone innocent getting screwed...I also see these killers who have done the most horrible unthinkable acts...and, I'm sorry...they need to die.

Statistics are always used to try and support your OWN argument. If you are against the death penalty...of course the statistic you will trot out is that X state which supports the death penalty-has a higher homicide rate...blah-blah...

BULL-FUCKIN'-SHIT!

Criminals are keenly aware of what they are doing and how much they are risking---unless they are mentally ill. A murderer will know exactly which states have the death penalty and believe me...if they think they will get fried...they DO think twice about committing a capital murder. Statistics are bullshit. Only college students and people who live their lives vicariously through books and see the world through classroom discussions trot out statistics.

In the real fucking world these statistics don't mean shit when you interact with dirtbags on a daily basis and see how they see the world. When you see how a lifelong criminal comports himself and how these so-called tough guys out on the street become little jailhouse lawyers using the system, abusing their friends,family,counselors,etc....

When you see this...you will not waste your time on statistics.

To the idiot that said that suicide is not easy to do in jail...you are a stupid dumb fuck...how fucking hard is it to wrap a fuckin sheet around your neck and hang yourself? It happens a lot. It happens when an inmate really wants to...but the fact of the matter is that they won't most of the time because they are tough in the outside world when they can pick on weak prey...on the inside they are the biggest pussies in the world. Except for a few who are dangerous,unstable and have incredible strength. Those guys are just dangerous anywhere and will always be a menace to society.

The death penalty is absolutely a deterrent to killing. Criminals are keenly aware that if they kill...they will also be killed. This is something that they can understand. This is something that somehow does not escape their comprehension. Opportunists are keenly aware of what is and isn't at stake. Only experience can help you see and understand this--not this fuckin' classroom libertarian pussyfootin' about reality by viewing it through a goddamn filtered idealism.

Disagree. The death penalty is not an effective deterrent. Most people who kill are not rational and don't care about much other then committing the crime at the moment it happens.

[silverblk mystix]

Disagree. The death penalty is not an effective deterrent. Most people who kill are not rational and don't care about much other then committing the crime at the moment it happens.

Disagree. The murderers that are insane/drugged out-yeah maybe.

There are far more murderers that plan out an act than you would think. I talk to them every day, I interact with them every day, I pick their brains and 9 out of 10 definitely tell me that the death penalty matters-a lot.

[silverblk mystix]

I never said statistics (or facts) are the end all be all. Thats your mistake, not mine. Every form of analysis requires appropriate context. That has nothing to do with your stupid assertion that statistics aren't facts.

Here's a statistic for you...

98% of all adult males jerk off...



the other 2%?









No arms....:lmao

[rascal]

88% of the country's top criminologists believe the death penalty is not a deterrent to homicide study published in Journal of Criminal Law & Criminology. Yet I am supposed to believe you.

The murder rate in non death penalty states is lower than states with the death penalty.

Yet you want to dismiss all the stats because they go against your logic.

[silverblk mystix]

88% of the country's top criminologists believe the death penalty is not a deterrent to homicide study published in Journal of Criminal Law & Criminology. Yet I am supposed to believe you.

The murder rate in non death penalty states is lower than states with the death penalty.

Yet you want to dismiss all the stats because they go against your logic.

Believe whatever you want. I choose to believe things that I learn firsthand-instead of from some book or from statistics.

I am not disputing the murder rates in states with or without the death penalty. I am trying to point out that the death penalty is just one factor to consider when trying to find the causes of killings and how it affects the murder rate.

There are other factors to consider besides just the state being a death penalty state or not.

I never said dismiss all the stats...I pointed out that if all you are going by is stats...then that is pretty narrow-minded in itself.

[Xevious]

I don't believe any form of punishment we currently use is a deterrent for crime. If somebody is of the mind to commit murder, rape, etc... they are going to do it regardless of whether they live in a death penalty state or not. I really don't view imprisonment or death as a punishment anyway. It's a means to remove you from society. Not only do I like the death penalty, I think we should kill some of these guys serving consecutive life sentences too. Why let them continue to be a leach with three meals and bed for the rest of their lives? Line up all of those guys and anybody sitting on death row and end it already. Save prison for the lesser criminals who might actually get to see the light of day again.

[I. Hustle]

I think the best quote for the stats versus facts argument is

The average human has one breast and one testicle. ~Des McHale

That one cracked me up.
Not that I am arguing for anyone but if I wanted to argue using a quote it would have just been that one alone.

[Blake]

It's amusing watching a defeated man act like he's regulating people by talking about their swollen crotches and butts.

how did your confrontation with ChumpDumper go?

[Blake]

not like your ex wife's pussy right about now though. she must feel rejuvenated and young again, free from that shitty relationship.

I feel rejuvenated and free, tbh. :tu


playa advice: if you ever want to find a new wife, the first step is to stop eating breakfast at mcdonalds every day.

lol playa advice from you

[Blake]

I never said dismiss all the stats...I pointed out that if all you are going by is stats...then that is pretty narrow-minded in itself.

It's pretty narrow-minded to assume that anyone else is going strictly off of stats.

[Blake]

well damn you're just wrecking some shit up in here huh

lol loser that's telling me

lol playa advice from a loser

[Blake]

loser :lmao

that's telling me

Loser is you telling you. :lmao :lmao