um, what? Slavery language removed from group’s marriage pledge for candidates

[RandomGuy]

So, black people were better off as slaves than under Obama? and Bachmann signed onto this?




Iowa conservative Bob Vander Plaats and his advocacy group, The Family Leader, removed a reference to slavery from their anti-gay-marriage pledge.

The pledge, part of a trend to pin down politicians on a variety of issues, has the backing of two Republican presidential candidates.

“Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA’s first African-American President.”

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/07/11/social-conservative-cuts-bit-about-slavery-from-pledge-against-gay-marriage

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/11/gop-candidates-caught-in-slavery-controversy/

If you start blindly signing on to oaths of fealty to ideas, you should read the fine print.

Given that I think a lot of conservatives seem to have trouble with critical thinking and reading comprehension, this just falls into my confirmation bias. Prove I'm wrong. :p

[elbamba]

Its kind of sad when people who put their signature and vote to particular documents don't actually read them. I wonder how many bills she has actually read.

[boutons_deux]

"Christians" and right-wingers aren't racist, never! couldn't happen.

[Wild Cobra]

Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA’s first African-American President.
It's sad that what I see in society makes me believe this statement. However, us whites aren't much better when it comes to having children raised by both parents.

[spursncowboys]

Her statement is more of a negative towards the black community as a whole than a positive towards slavery. However, a white anti affirmative action person said it so it must be racist.

[spursncowboys]

It is sad how effective and efficient the left is at using the race card. It's funny how most of them are rich whites who lived in suburbs 'segregated' with all whites. Bachmann on the other hand has fostered 30+ children, with some of those kids being black.

[Spurminator]

It's funny how most of them are rich whites who lived in suburbs 'segregated' with all whites.

Source?

[Wild Cobra]

Source?
Wow...

Do you live in somebody's basement?

Get out and see life for yourself. You will see it's essentially true. You see very few blacks in richer neighborhoods.

[spursncowboys]

Source?
Sorry. How about I say "In my life experiences"

[Spurminator]

Wow...

Do you live in somebody's basement?

Get out and see life for yourself. You will see it's essentially true. You see very few blacks in richer neighborhoods.


No shit. Source that most liberals live there?

[Spurminator]

Sorry. How about I say "In my life experiences"

Such as where?

[Wild Cobra]

No shit. Source that most liberals live there?
When I was a mail carrier, I delivered to a richer neighborhood. There were so few blacks there, I don't recall seeing any there.

[Spurminator]

Yes, I get that. That is not the nugget I'm asking for a source on.

[Wild Cobra]

Yes, I get that. That is not the nugget I'm asking for a source on.
I did notice one interesting tidbit. I would say about 90% of the voter registration cards I delivered were of democrat registration.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Nuggets. Not tidbits. :nope

[DarrinS]

The most "progressive" cities are Lilly white.

http://www.newgeography.com/content/001110-the-white-city

[DarrinS]

But it is extremely stupid to sign your name to something before reading it. Like Obamacare.

[Wild Cobra]

The progressive paragon of Portland is the whitest on the list, with an African American population less than half the national average. It is America's ultimate White City. The contrast with other, supposedly less advanced cities is stark.
Hey...

I've been right calling Portland the capital of the North-Left coast!

[Spurminator]

The most "progressive" cities are Lilly white.

http://www.newgeography.com/content/001110-the-white-city

Wow look at all the suburbs in that article!

Anyway, so what exactly is the point you guys are driving at? If these cities had higher black populations, they'd skew more conservative? Why would that be?

[spursncowboys]

Such as where?
Seriously? How about the majority of the Dem leadership neighborhoods they grew up in.

[spursncowboys]

Wow look at all the suburbs in that article!

Anyway, so what exactly is the point you guys are driving at? If these cities had higher black populations, they'd skew more conservative? Why would that be?

:lmao My point was clear.

[DarrinS]

Wow look at all the suburbs in that article!

Anyway, so what exactly is the point you guys are driving at? If these cities had higher black populations, they'd skew more conservative? Why would that be?

Progressive whites love minorities. They just don't want to live next to them.

[Spurminator]

:lmao My point was clear.

Your point seems to be that the left isn't exposed to a lot of black people. As if to imply conservatives know black people better.

[Spurminator]

Progressive whites love minorities. They just don't want to live next to them.

That explains all those liberal rich suburban areas.

[ElNono]

Progressive whites love minorities. They just don't want to live next to them.

As opposed to hating minorities and not wanting to live with them either?

[Wild Cobra]

Well, it didn't break down a party registration by the same area they displayed other statistics, but I found this of interest:

Oregon Mapper (http://216.55.182.132/FairData/OR_Registration/map.asp)

I won't bother explaining the data. Just that the center section was where I delivered mail, almost to a tee. The east, west, and south of the map section were the same as my carrier route. However, north stopped at Carlton from 28th, down 32nd, and then across Tolman to 34th.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Politics/EastMoreland1999Income.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Politics/EastMorelandBlacks.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Politics/EastMorelandNoHSDeploma.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Politics/EastMorelandRentals.jpg

[DarrinS]

As opposed to hating minorities and not wanting to live with them either?

That's what libs have been selling for years. Unfortunately, their non-neighbors (a.k.a. guaranteed voters) have been lapping that shit up.

[DarrinS]

At least Dems aren't racist

bc6CgzpTu4k

[ElNono]

That's what libs have been selling for years.

I don't follow. Dems have been selling 'hating minorities'?

[ElNono]

The most "progressive" cities are Lilly white.
http://www.newgeography.com/content/001110-the-white-city

You don't think cost of living has anything to do with that?

[Spurminator]

Well Darrin has just obliterated the argument we've all been making that racist liberals don't exist anywhere. Truly the Czar of the YouTube, he.

[DarrinS]

Well Darrin has just obliterated the argument we've all been making that racist liberals don't exist anywhere. Truly the Czar of the YouTube, he.

When the meme that conservatives = racists is obliterated, so will the Dems.

[ElNono]

When the meme that conservatives = racists is obliterated, so will the Dems.

What are you doing to empower minorities so one day they can afford to live alongside the Lilly white?

[ChumpDumper]

How many liberals lived on flaglots?

Otherwise, WC and Darrin need to figure out what the hell they are trying to say.

[RandomGuy]

It is sad how effective and efficient the left is at using the race card. It's funny how most of them are rich whites who lived in suburbs 'segregated' with all whites. Bachmann on the other hand has fostered 30+ children, with some of those kids being black.

I find this less indicative of racism on anyone's part than of general stupidity.

As for "most of the left" bit, do you have some source for that, or was it something you pulled out of your ass?

You have expressed here a commonly held idea on the part of most of the "right" about what/who "the left" is in this country.

The word for this is: stereotype.

This makes your bitching about the "race card", just a *bit* ironic.

"Man those Group X are too quick to use stereotyping of my Group Y. I mean you know it is only because everybody in Group X share the same common trait that makes them hypocritical."

[spursncowboys]

I was definitely generalizing. But it wasn't on a whole group so I wouldn't classify it as stereotyping. Also I did add In my personal experience...

[spursncowboys]

What are you doing to empower minorities so one day they can afford to live alongside the Lilly white?
Me personally... going against affirmative action. Voting against any candidate who treats groups of people as victims and thinks welfare as we have used in this country for the past 70 years works.

[ElNono]

Me personally... going against affirmative action. Voting against any candidate who treats groups of people as victims and thinks welfare as we have used in this country for the past 70 years works.

More generalization.

We're not all the same. Some people do need more help than others in order to be productive members of society that end up benefiting us all. There's simply no denying that, among other things, socioeconomic factors have a huge influence in the availability of opportunities.

Sure, there's poor people that game the system, as there are super rich that game the system too. They're both scum, but you simply can't pack everybody into the same bag.

[spursncowboys]

I agree. I just don't see the welfare system working. Growing up in an area surrounded by people in Section 8 housing and growing up around people who either grew up with some form of welfare to seeing so many friends get trapped into it I don't see the pro's outweighing the cons. I definitely see it creating more dependency on govt money than a short term helping hand. People are smart. If they are given money to live off of for free, they will get used to that. They will also, in my experience, avoid losing that money even if it means missing out on a higher income in the future if they took low risk chances. People under the poverty level with children get free housing, food, and college, just to name a few.

[spursncowboys]

Have you ever been in a welfare office? It sucks. The people there treat you very bad. They know they don't have to worry about being fired for poor customer service skills. The kids in there all have Jordans, Ipods, PSP, etc. I don't know if the fact that our 'poor' class living so well is a slap in the face or reason to celebrate. Once again this is just my experience.

[ElNono]

I agree. I just don't see the welfare system working. Growing up in an area surrounded by people in Section 8 housing and growing up around people who either grew up with some form of welfare to seeing so many friends get trapped into it I don't see the pro's outweighing the cons. I definitely see it creating more dependency on govt money than a short term helping hand. People are smart. If they are given money to live off of for free, they will get used to that. They will also, in my experience, avoid losing that money even if it means missing out on a higher income in the future if they took low risk chances. People under the poverty level with children get free housing, food, and college, just to name a few.

I understand your frustration. I've seen both sides of the fence: people that need the welfare, be it for chronic or temporary disability, and scum that make an attempt to live off it. The problem there isn't with the welfare though, but the controls that are in place or the regulations that allow the improper use of the different programs. I'm skeptic you can actually reduce the abuse to zero, but I think we could do a lot better than now.
On the other hand, removing welfare completely isn't really a solution. There's people out there with legitimate long-term or temporary needs.

But I also have to make a distinction here. Affirmative action is not welfare. It's simply a better opportunity. People don't live off affirmative action. They either take the opportunity that's given to them and make the best of it, or lose it.


Have you ever been in a welfare office? It sucks. The people there treat you very bad. They know they don't have to worry about being fired for poor customer service skills. The kids in there all have Jordans, Ipods, PSP, etc. I don't know if the fact that our 'poor' class living so well is a slap in the face or reason to celebrate. Once again this is just my experience.

I have been both in Texas and NJ actually. My experience in Texas was more embarrassing than anything, since the lady took us to an office to do the paperwork, and she started hitting on me (:lol my wife was there with us).
As far as what the poor have, there's everything out there. I'm sure you don't get to see some of the disabled that we're also supporting and are nailed to a bed.

But shitty attitude isn't just a hallmark of social security. I get treated just as bad in the local DMV, and even by the prick on the local gas station (yes, I'm in NJ, mandated full-service).

[Wild Cobra]

Have you ever been in a welfare office? It sucks. The people there treat you very bad. They know they don't have to worry about being fired for poor customer service skills. The kids in there all have Jordans, Ipods, PSP, etc. I don't know if the fact that our 'poor' class living so well is a slap in the face or reason to celebrate. Once again this is just my experience.
That's one thing that gets me. Why do children of welfare recipients have more than the kids of many hard working Americans?

Do they think the are entitled, or something?

[ElNono]

That's what gets me. Why do children of welfare recipients have more than the kids of many hard working Americans?

Do you have video or a transcript?

Because I don't buy that on a general basis, tbh.

[Wild Cobra]

Do you have video or a transcript?

Because I don't buy that on a general basis, tbh.
LOL...

I've seen it too. Haven't you?

Maybe you need to visit other parts of town, outside your cozy high class Brownstone. Just see for yourself.

[ElNono]

LOL...

I've seen it too. Haven't you?

Maybe you need to visit other parts of town, outside your cozy high class Brownstone. Just see for yourself.

Is the Rio Grande Valley high class?

What you see is irrelevant. Do you have hard numbers backing up your contention or not? video? transcript?

I'm just merely setting the evidence bar no higher than you normally do.

[spursncowboys]

I understand your frustration. I've seen both sides of the fence: people that need the welfare, be it for chronic or temporary disability, and scum that make an attempt to live off it. The problem there isn't with the welfare though, but the controls that are in place or the regulations that allow the improper use of the different programs. I'm skeptic you can actually reduce the abuse to zero, but I think we could do a lot better than now.
On the other hand, removing welfare completely isn't really a solution. There's people out there with legitimate long-term or temporary needs.

But I also have to make a distinction here. Affirmative action is not welfare. It's simply a better opportunity. People don't live off affirmative action. They either take the opportunity that's given to them and make the best of it, or lose it.



I have been both in Texas and NJ actually. My experience in Texas was more embarrassing than anything, since the lady took us to an office to do the paperwork, and she started hitting on me (:lol my wife was there with us).
As far as what the poor have, there's everything out there. I'm sure you don't get to see some of the disabled that we're also supporting and are nailed to a bed.

But shitty attitude isn't just a hallmark of social security. I get treated just as bad in the local DMV, and even by the prick on the local gas station (yes, I'm in NJ, mandated full-service).
Yeah I am not talking about disabled, except maybe ones who get labeled disabled for making themselves obese. I am also not talking about getting rid of welfare altogether. Just that I don't think it is helping the majority of people using it.

[ElNono]

Why do children of welfare recipients have more than the kids of many hard working Americans?

This is your statement. How much more they have? What do you base this statement on?

[ElNono]

Yeah I am not talking about disabled, except maybe ones who get labeled disabled for making themselves obese. I am also not talking about getting rid of welfare altogether. Just that I don't think it is helping the majority of people using it.

Supposedly $125 billion was identified as abuse. That would be a good start to investigate and stop losing that money. The question is what is actively being done about it.

[RandomGuy]

Supposedly $125 billion was identified as abuse. That would be a good start to investigate and stop losing that money. The question is what is actively being done about it.

That wasn't quite "abuse". That figure was more clerical errors than anything else, from what I was reading, and fully didn't encapsulate outright fraud, which the study was not designed to detect.

[boutons_deux]

FAMiLY Leader Blames ‘Leftist Blog ThinkProgress’ For Having To Retract Slavery Claim From Pledge

But what happened is that the leftist blog ThinkProgress they said that what what were saying is that slavery is better for families than they are today. And that’s absurd.

Contrary to Vander Plaats’ accusations, ThinkProgress never reported that the group wanted to bring back the institution of slavery. We argued that the group’s contention that African American children were born into wedlock during the period of slavery was historically inaccurate. As Zack Ford wrote in a July 8 post, “slaves were property and could not be party to a contract, including a marriage contract” and were thus not legally married in the eyes of the government.

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/07/18/271841/family-leader-blames-leftist-blog-thinkprogress-for-having-to-retract-slavery-claim-from-pledge/

[ChumpDumper]

So they wish they could leave the slavery language in the pledge?

Nice.

[RandomGuy]

So they wish they could leave the slavery language in the pledge?

Nice.

Funniest thing is that the group blamed Think Progrss for saying they were racists, scapegoating them essentially for the whole shit storm.

TP merely pointed out, with some relish, that the people who advocate a child raised under legally married couples used, as an example, children being raised by people (slaves) who could not legally marry, as being more preferable than today's single mom raised populations.

The Family people missed the point of the article entirely. Other people ran with it as being just a touch stupid and seemingly racist.

The funny thing is that if you actually listen to the interview the presumedly friendly host re-phrases what the group says "the welfare state has done to African American families what not even slavery could do"

So again, I am left with

"We're not saying slavery was good, but we are saying that African Americans are worse off than they were then."

Directly implying the inverse, i.e. modern African Americans were better off under slavery.

It isn't the fact that they said something stupid that bothers me, its that they don't even see that it *is* stupid.

[Wild Cobra]

The fathers couldn't abandon their children like they do today.

[ElNono]

The fathers couldn't abandon their children like they do today.

So you're in the 'bring back slavery' bandwagon?

If they get out of line, you can always whip them back into place, right?

[Wild Cobra]

So you're in the 'bring back slavery' bandwagon?

Not at all. Just what is probably a sad fact.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Have you ever been in a welfare office? It sucks. The people there treat you very bad. They know they don't have to worry about being fired for poor customer service skills. The kids in there all have Jordans, Ipods, PSP, etc. I don't know if the fact that our 'poor' class living so well is a slap in the face or reason to celebrate. Once again this is just my experience.

I've never been in a welfare office but I have a hard time believing that many of the kids have jordans and ipods....


my dad would qualify as poor and he does not live well. You are wrong when you make that claim because I know , and have known, poor people and I can GUARANTEE it that they do not live well.

Your full of crap.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Not at all. Just what is probably a sad fact.

you're a sad fact

[ElNono]

Not at all. Just what is probably a sad fact.

What sad fact?

[Blake]

LOL...

I've seen it too. Haven't you?

Maybe you need to visit other parts of town, outside your cozy high class Brownstone. Just see for yourself.

The welfare recipients in my neighborhood are the ones living in the cozy high class Brownstone.

My daughter sees their kids take their food stamp cards to the convenience store to buy slushees and she gets jealous.

[hater]

It's sad that what I see in society makes me believe this statement.

:lmao

so somehow Obama's election changed the way black children are raised in america? wow :wow

[CosmicCowboy]

Poverty is a relative term

http://global.nationalreview.com/dest/2011/07/18/special_amenities_and_poor_list.jpg

[baseline bum]

Wow, people still have VCRs? Can you even buy one in Best Buy anymore?

[hater]

the survey is from 2005. in technology terms it's ancient and irrelevant today

[CuckingFunt]

How dare poor people want to have the creature comforts we as a society stress as requirements of a normal life.

[boutons_deux]

here we go again: the old Heritage Inst "they ain't poor if they have TV and cellphone and electricity" bullshit.

For Heritage, when Human-Americans have none of those (and VRWC/Heritage is working hard impoverish the poor further), then maybe Heritage might consider them "poor".

[CuckingFunt]

The fathers couldn't abandon their children like they do today.

And why would they?



Children were especially valuable property to the white slave owners who'd raped their mothers.

[ChumpDumper]

How dare poor people want to have the creature comforts we as a society stress as requirements of a normal life.How dare they wear shoes to the welfare office!

[ElNono]

Poverty is a relative term

http://global.nationalreview.com/dest/2011/07/18/special_amenities_and_poor_list.jpg

At the very least, misleading. I did not purchase the Refrigerator, Stove and oven and Air Conditioning where I rent.

[ChumpDumper]

Do you own shoes?

[ElNono]

Do you own shoes?

Sandals ok?

[ChumpDumper]

Richer.

[CosmicCowboy]

At the very least, misleading. I did not purchase the Refrigerator, Stove and oven and Air Conditioning where I rent.

Did your landlord furnish your computer and internet access too?

[ChumpDumper]

He could be at a library.

[CosmicCowboy]

He could be at a library.

31,000 posts at the library?

[ChumpDumper]

He has NBA TV too...do they have that at the library?Over the internets, I wouldn't doubt there is a feed somewhere.

Computers and internets can be stolen as well tbh.

[LnGrrrR]

Poverty is a relative term

http://global.nationalreview.com/dest/2011/07/18/special_amenities_and_poor_list.jpg

I'd say A/C down south is damn near mandatory. I hate Biloxi heat.

Those motherfuckers with jacuzzis need to get slapped though.

I think the problem is that there's "poor", and then there's destitute. You can be poor but still have some creature comforts. I don't think poor necessarily means you're barely getting by week to week.

[CosmicCowboy]

The amenities of the 2011 "poor" are better than the 1960 "middle class".

[hater]

The amenities of the 2011 "poor" are better than the 1960 "middle class".

2 words:

credit cards

[boutons_deux]

So when the Human-Americans get down to Indian or Chinese or African rural standards, will Heritage and you sociopaths allow them to be called poor?

[coyotes_geek]

The amenities of the 2011 "poor" are better than the 1960 "middle class".

True, but I would be careful about what kind of conclusions one would draw from that. Just because John D. Rockefeller didn't have a cell phone doesn't mean that anyone who has one now can't be poor.

[LnGrrrR]

The amenities of the 2011 "poor" are better than the 1960 "middle class".

And the amenities of the poor in 1960 were probably better than the "middle class" of 1910, 1850, or any other time in the past.

Technology is wonderful.

[Blake]

Poverty is a relative term

http://global.nationalreview.com/dest/2011/07/18/special_amenities_and_poor_list.jpg

I always find it interesting that people see A/C as an amenity but not heat.

[ElNono]

Did your landlord furnish your computer and internet access too?

No. I'm looking at the list you posted, and I'm pointing out it's misleading. Me having internet access or a computer doesn't really change that point.

[ElNono]

The amenities of the 2011 "poor" are better than the 1960 "middle class".

Cost of the amenities for the 2011 "poor" are much lower than the 1960 "middle class".

And :lol @ having NBA TV... I really cannot comment on my television service arrangement, but let's just say that in some cases corporate welfare can be just as good as the government for certain individuals :D

[Wild Cobra]

you're a sad fact
Even before our great social experiment of the current welfare state, black families actually maintained a family structure.

What has happened?

Slavery had nothing to do with this. It's the loss of responsibility.

I ask, how has that happened?

[Wild Cobra]

Poverty is a relative term

http://global.nationalreview.com/dest/2011/07/18/special_amenities_and_poor_list.jpg
That's why I say we need to stop paying so much in social programs.

Why should tho poor live better than some who work hard?

[ChumpDumper]

That's why I say we need to stop paying so much in social programs.

Why should tho poor live better than some who work hard?Nice generalization there.

[Wild Cobra]

And why would they?



Children were especially valuable property to the white slave owners who'd raped their mothers.
They maintained a sense of family that too many don't have today. That was my point. Even if people weren't blood relationships, they took care of each other like family.

[Wild Cobra]

At the very least, misleading. I did not purchase the Refrigerator, Stove and oven and Air Conditioning where I rent.
Misleading? How do relative numbers mislead you?

Look at the lines individually. How many people not on social program, have more than one refrigerator, a big screen TV, separate freezer, etc.

If we allow the welfare state to provide people with this high of a comfort of living, why should they want tom work?

[ChumpDumper]

Misleading? How do relative numbers mislead you?

Look at the lines individually. How many people not on social program, have more than one refrigerator, a big screen TV, separate freezer, etc.

If we allow the welfare state to provide people with this high of a comfort of living, why should they want tom work?Where is the number of those not working at all owning those things listed?

[LnGrrrR]

Even before our great social experiment of the current welfare state, black families actually maintained a family structure.

What has happened?

Source?

[ElNono]

Misleading? How do relative numbers mislead you?

Look at the lines individually. How many people not on social program, have more than one refrigerator, a big screen TV, separate freezer, etc.

You didn't read what you replied to, did you?

[ElNono]

They maintained a sense of family that too many don't have today. That was my point. Even if people weren't blood relationships, they took care of each other like family.

And what does color has to do with that? How many white people used to divorce back then compared to now? The sense of family values has decreased across the entire spectrum.

[Wild Cobra]

Source?
How do you source something seen and understood decades ago? Probably before you were born!

[Wild Cobra]

And what does color has to do with that? How many white people used to divorce back then compared to now? The sense of family values has decreased across the entire spectrum.
I never said it was different or the same for whites. Did I?

[ChumpDumper]

How do you source something seen and understood decades ago? Probably before you were born!personal anecdote > anything

[LnGrrrR]

How do you source something seen and understood decades ago? Probably before you were born!

So you don't have any facts. Thanks for admitting that.

You know, I once saw a unicorn.

[ElNono]

I never said it was different or the same for whites. Did I?

Well, the conversation was about slaves and slavery. Keep up.

[Wild Cobra]

Well, the conversation was about slaves and slavery. Keep up.
I know that. Not my fault that's what I responded to.

Maybe you should keep up instead of assuming.

[ElNono]

I know that. Not my fault that's what I responded to.

How many white slaves were there back then?
Thank you for making my point for me.

[Wild Cobra]

How many white slaves were there back then?
Thank you for making my point for me.
LOL...

I never was arguing against things you though I was now, was I?

Just take slavery away, both blacks and whites maintained better family units before government made the welfare state.

[ElNono]

Just take slavery away, both blacks and whites maintained better family units before government made the welfare state.

How so? You haven't made a connection between those two yet.
IE: Do rich people divorce less than poor people?

[Trainwreck2100]

How so? You haven't made a connection between those two yet.
IE: Do rich people divorce less than poor people?

percentage wise probably they are less likely to get married cause they don't want to lose half their shit

[Wild Cobra]

How so? You haven't made a connection between those two yet.
IE: Do rich people divorce less than poor people?
I didn't know it was my job to make a connection. Divorce? Who knows. However, less richer people have children out of wedlock, and the black community seems to be the largest percentage of having bastard children.

During this thread I indicated that:

I see a degradation of both races:

It's sad that what I see in society makes me believe this statement. However, us whites aren't much better when it comes to having children raised by both parents.

That SnC is correct:

It's funny how most of them are rich whites who lived in suburbs 'segregated' with all whites.
Source?
Wow...

Do you live in somebody's basement?

Get out and see life for yourself. You will see it's essentially true. You see very few blacks in richer neighborhoods.
Then followed up with a incomplete sample demographics and experience.

Went on with a statement of welfare in response to SnC. I have dated several single mothers on welfare. I have seen my fair share of women who just collect a government check, and have nice section 8 houses, plenty of children's items, and no financial worries. Most couples of moderate means cannot afford to rent or buy a house in the Portland metro area. Someone who lives off their tax dollars shouldn't have one.

Does the banter really matter much that went on after that?

[Wild Cobra]

As for the cited study:

The Consequences of Marriage
for African Americans: A Comprehensive Literature Review (http://www.americanvalues.org/Consq_ExSumm_cover.pdf)

This is just the summary, the whole 2005 material is $8 if someone is interested.

Major New Study:
The Consequences of Marriage for African Americans (http://www.americanvalues.org/html/consequences.htm)

[ElNono]

percentage wise probably they are less likely to get married cause they don't want to lose half their shit

True enough :lol

[ElNono]

I didn't know it was my job to make a connection. Divorce? Who knows.

You make the claim, you back it up. And if you're talking about 'family structure' (your words, not mine), then yeah, divorce is just as bad as anything else, even more so when there's kids in the middle.


However, less richer people have children out of wedlock, and the black community seems to be the largest percentage of having bastard children.

How large a percentage compared to other races?
If you take actual numbers instead of percentages, which race has the most bastard children?

[spursncowboys]

At the very least, misleading. I did not purchase the Refrigerator, Stove and oven and Air Conditioning where I rent.

I think his point of the definition of poor is still a good one.

[spursncowboys]

I'd say A/C down south is damn near mandatory. I hate Biloxi heat.

Those motherfuckers with jacuzzis need to get slapped though.

I think the problem is that there's "poor", and then there's destitute. You can be poor but still have some creature comforts. I don't think poor necessarily means you're barely getting by week to week.

Surprisingly there are a lot of elderly in san antonio that dont have a/c. if you buy a 20 fan from walmart and take to any of the firestations around s.a. they will deliver them. it's something i would do once a year when i lived in sa.

[spursncowboys]

Well, the conversation was about slaves and slavery. Keep up.
The original conversation was about the idea that Bachmann wants blacks to go back into slavery. Which is a ludicrious leap from her comparison.

[RandomGuy]

Surprisingly there are a lot of elderly in san antonio that dont have a/c. if you buy a 20 fan from walmart and take to any of the firestations around s.a. they will deliver them. it's something i would do once a year when i lived in sa.

Not a bad idea. Thanks.

[ElNono]

The original conversation was about the idea that Bachmann wants blacks to go back into slavery. Which is a ludicrious leap from her comparison.

Exactly. And sure, I can agree is ludicrous.