damn it i've come to a conclusion

[MannyIsGod]

bush is going to win. and you know what/ i'm going to vote for the mother fucker.

[Nbadan]

You know, when it comes down to it we all have to vote our conscious. W. has been a piss-poor president and his buddies have looted the treasury, but if your willing to over-look all that just because your under the mistaken impression that W. has kept us safe here at home, there isn't much we can do for you Manny.

[DeSPURado]

I'm gonna laugh at you when Kerry bounces back. Its already started in places like Ohio. Bush's lead is a shift in the breeze from the crushing defeat he is going to suffer.

The more I look at the numbers the more certain I am of it. Take the primaries. Every single record was blown away by the democrats. Voter registration has sky rocketed amongst teens and overseas. As much as 30,000 people overseas who didn't vote in the 2000 election have requested ballots.

Kerry is a late campaigner. Look at the primaries again. He didn't do well until the game is on the line.

Gore was doing far worse in the polls and still managed a few million more votes in the popular vote. Democrats have won the popular vote in the last 3 elections in a row.

Florida is not doing a voter wipe. Those 70,000 people aren't going to be too happy about what happened to them last time.

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But like Dan said. You do what you need to do to feel confident about the next four years. Personally I don't trust Bush farther than I can smell a fart.

[Nbadan]

Here you go Manny..

Kerry Rising

Rumors of John Kerry's demise have been greatly exaggerated -- too often by doomsaying Dems themselves. A host of new polls suggest it's the president who should be trembling.

Sept. 17, 2004 | To listen to certain Democrats these days is to learn that the presidential election is all but over, apparently because John Kerry slipped behind George W. Bush in a few national polls last week. These sad doomsayers whine constantly that Kerry "isn't tough enough," when what they are really talking about are their own mental weaknesses. Much of the anger and determination displayed by liberals over the past year seems suddenly to have deflated into fear and resignation.

At such moments, a once-important Democratic functionary inevitably pipes up to get his or her name in the newspaper by attacking the party's candidate or campaign. Even if this person happens to be a thoroughly discredited figure like Tony Coelho, a washout as Al Gore's campaign manager, his remarks get ink because "it's a story" when Democrats criticize each other. What would really be a story is a Republican behaving with the same lack of discipline endemic among Democrats just now.


The liberal tendency to assume the fetal position upon hearing any bad news not only creates a damaging psychological environment for those who indulge it, but also repels undecided and independent voters who are seeking strong, confident leadership. Nobody wants to join a team that obsesses more about losing than winning.

And there is no reason to give up, regardless of any flaws in the Kerry-Edwards campaign or the Bush-Cheney convention "bounce." That bounce has fallen flat, returning the presidential race to a virtual dead heat, according to several new polls.

The new Harris Interactive/Wall Street Journal poll, completed on Sept. 13, shows Kerry with 48 percent, Bush with 47 percent and Ralph Nader with 2 percent. Those results were nearly identical to the last Harris poll, taken before the Republican Convention, when Kerry was ahead by 1 point. The most noticeable shift in this poll's results is that the 10-point lead Bush enjoyed last June is gone. More than half of the respondents think Bush "doesn't deserve to be reelected [sic]."

The most recent poll by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press shows the Bush lead falling precipitously during the past week. Between Sept. 8 and Sept. 10, Bush was ahead of Kerry by 54 to 38 among "likely voters" -- but between Sept. 11 and Sept. 14, that gap diminished to Bush 47 versus Kerry 46.

Today, the Economist released a new YouGov poll, which employs online technology developed by a British survey firm, and found Bush ahead of Kerry by a single point, 47 to 46. To the magazine's editors this represents an "impressive" result for Bush because more than 56 percent of the voters polled by YouGov say they are "dissatisfied with the way things are going in the United States at this time."

Democracy Corps, run by James Carville and Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg, completed a new poll of 1,003 voters on Sept. 14, which also showed Bush one point ahead, 49 to 48 percent. Greenberg's poll includes lots of data suggesting that voters want a new direction -- and that independents, in particular, are deeply dissatisfied with Bush.

The latest survey by Investor's Business Daily and the Christian Science Monitor, completed Sept. 12, actually shows Kerry ahead by two points among registered voters and tied with Bush among "likely" voters. (For a useful discussion of this distinction and why it may not be meaningful at this stage, consult Ruy Teixeira's Donkey Rising blog, which provides smart, professional and duly skeptical analysis of media polls.)

As Gallup polling director Frank Newport said last week when Bush was riding high on a post-convention wave, the presidential election remains in flux and unpredictable.

"In all presidential elections there has been at least some movement between Gallup's Labor Day poll and the final outcome on Election Day," Newport explained. "The general tendency is toward a closing of whatever gap exists on Labor Day. Certainly, the race is close enough at this point to suggest that while it is possible that George Bush may maintain his lead or expand it, it is also quite possible that John Kerry will gain and move into the lead himself."

(Of course, placing too much confidence in horse-race polls is a mistake. In the final weeks of the 2000 election, major polls showed Bush ahead of Al Gore by three to 13 points -- and then Gore won the popular vote tally by more than 500,000.)

Aside from Newport's observation, there are other reasons for Bush to worry about voters souring permanently on him before Nov. 2. The most salient is the war in Iraq. A growing majority of people now understand that they were misled by the Bush administration, that the war is going poorly, and that the White House has no viable exit strategy. As public focus returns to the consequences of this administration's incompetence, John Kerry can still seize the opportunity to regain his lead -- if he dares.

Salon (http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/09/17/polls/index.html)

[Yonivore]

Salon. :rollin

[Hook Dem]

Manny makes a decision based on his research and you guys laugh at him? Go figure! He did not say he was in love with Bush. I gather he is just going to vote for the lesser of two evils. He certainly has the right to do that.

[exstatic]

Manny was drunk, coming back from Kori's GTG. He probably doesn't even remeber posting this.

[Tommy Duncan]

I think those who responded to Manuel need to lay off the sauce.

[Yonivore]

It's more lucid than any other post he's made in the past 6 months. ;o) (j/k Manny.)

[spurster]

Maybe Manny will give us his reasons rather than us speculating that either he was drunk or he's seen the light (I suppose both are possible).

[exstatic]

Check the club. He left himself logged in at Kori's house at the GTG. Someone posted a fake "I got a DWI thread" with his account. :rollin

[SpursWoman]

Actually, I think it was my "Deck of Weasles" cards that did the trick.


:wink :lol

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Another one buys the Dubya BS.

[Yonivore]

Another one sees the light.

[Hook Dem]

Johnny....you're the "idiot" thats gonna be exposed in November.:lol

[Joe Chalupa]

Regardless of who one votes for...Just vote!

And don't let nobody tell you that you are an idiot because you voted for the wrong candidate because as long as you vote for who you wanted you did your duty!

"Damn right I voted for Bill Clinton" is what I tell folks.

[MannyIsGod]

lmao, bush couldn't buy my vote with all of his evil money.

i do however think it's funny how seriously nbadan and despurado took it. you guys are diehard, and i respect that, but it's a bit much at times.

badernik is getting my vote. it's been decided. on november 2nd i'll be driving people to the polls.

[Yonivore]

Better learn how to spell his name then, Manny.

[ClintSquint]

No need to know how his name is spelled, he doesn't have a prayer.

[Spurminator]

A vote for Badnarek is not about winning the election.

[Nbadan]

I can respect Manny for launching a protest vote on the two majority party candidates. Still, I think time will show that he is going to regret not voting yeah or nay on the W. administration's war on terrorism and in Iraq.

[Tommy Duncan]

Um he's not voting for W genius.

[spurster]

I might consider voting for Badnarik if he wasn't a kook.

www.libertyunbound.com/ar...horse.html (http://www.libertyunbound.com/archive/2004_08/bradford-dark_horse.html)

Badnarik believes that the federal income tax has no legal authority and that people are justified in refusing to file a tax return until such time as the IRS provides them with an explanation of its authority to collect the tax. He hadn't filed income tax returns for several years. He moved from California to Texas because of Texas' more liberal gun laws, but he refused to obtain a Texas driver's license because the state requires drivers to provide their fingerprints and Social Security numbers. He has been ticketed several times for driving without a license; sometimes he has gotten off for various technical legal reasons, but on three occasions he has been convicted and paid a fine. He also refused to use postal ZIP codes, seeing them as "federal territories."
If he is not going to pay taxes, why should he have any say? I suppose the anarchist branch of the Liberatarians view these actions as positives, though.

[Yonivore]

I do think that position is untenable, however, there is a body of evidence that suggests the 16th amendment was never ratified properly by several states.

Some day, one of their court cases is going to make it to the federal level...

[SpursWoman]

LMFAO @ Badnarik



:lol :lol

[Yonivore]

It's why I never vote Libertarian...even though I agree with most of their platform.

They nominate kooks.

[Nbadan]

He hadn't filed income tax returns for several years

A tax evader over W. and Kerry? That's about right.


:lol

[Tommy Duncan]

Well he's just engaging in his own protest against the IRS then.

[Joe Chalupa]

If I protested that way my ass would have a tax lien.

[Tommy Duncan]

I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't gotten one already. Perhaps the IRS hasn't gotten around to him.

Of course if his employer has been withholding taxes then he at least has been paying some income tax.

Wait, according to his campaign site he's been an 'independent consultant' since 2001. Prior to that he was supposedly working for a firm in Austin starting in 1997.

An anarchist and a libertarian might have similiar angst towards the government and use of said government by various 'elites' but other than that I would say they two would hold significantly different views.

[Hook Dem]

Back to the topic....who gives a flying **** what Manny does one way or the other. :moon

[Joe Chalupa]

Well, I don't give a **** who anybody votes for...as long as they vote baby!!!!!

[MannyIsGod]

yes, i'm going to regret not throwing my vote away on kerry one day because it's not like bush is up by 20 points here in texas.

dan, is it possible to breathe normaly with your head so far up your ass or do you need scuba gear/

gary nolan was a much better cantidate, but he didn't get the nomination. the libertarian convention works as an actual nominating convention, and i forgot how exactly but it went down in a very weird way.

[Tommy Duncan]

Most people who vote for a 3rd party ticket are voting more for the ideals it represents than the individual candidate so nominated.

Frankly I am not surprised that danny advocates supporting the two party oligarchical monster which controls our government.

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao !!!!!!!!!