What if we flooded...

[Wild Cobra]

What if we flooded Death Valley?

Would the new inland sea have enough surface area to make a dramatic climate change?

Any thought by the educated climatologists among us?

[baseline bum]

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[Wild Cobra]

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Yes, we know your mind is blank.

[baseline bum]

Go shoot some Mexicans.

[baseline bum]

Then send them to a black doctor after.

[Wild Cobra]

Then send them to a black doctor after.
Why shoot Mexicans, and why a black doctor? Are you a racist?

[baseline bum]

They'd need a surgeon.

[Wild Cobra]

Stop derailing this thread with your personal hatred of me.

Want to talk about me, start an appropriate thread.

[baseline bum]

This stupid thread is appropriate enough.

[baseline bum]

What if we nuked the sun?

[baseline bum]

What if we slowed down the rotation of the iron in the core of the planet to weaken the magnetic field? Then the solar wind could blow all the CO2 away.

[MannyIsGod]

Great idea. We should leave all the hoses running in Death Valley until it floods.





































































I feel dumber for having read this thread.

[Spurminator]

Great idea. We should leave all the hoses running in Death Valley until it floods.

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/butters1_1206.jpg

:lol

[Wild Cobra]

Any intelligent thoughts?

[Drachen]

Any intelligent thoughts?

It don't think so, it looks like everyone is taking a cue from the op.

[Wild Cobra]

It don't think so, it looks like everyone is taking a cue from the op.
OK, explain then why the thought is unintelligent.

[ElNono]

Wouldn't that turn it into the River Valley?

[baseline bum]

What if we set off a bunch of H-bombs to try to knock earth into a father orbit?

[Wild Cobra]

Wouldn't that turn it into the River Valley?
I don't know. Any idea how many square miles are below sea level?

[ElNono]

Does it matter?

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao why does it matter how much of it is below sea level? Its not near an ocean, its in the middle of the fucking Mojave desert.

[MannyIsGod]

Any intelligent thoughts?


What if we flooded Death Valley?

Would the new inland sea have enough surface area to make a dramatic climate change?

Any thought by the educated climatologists among us?


I don't know. Any idea how many square miles are below sea level?

LOL x 09483048304809483

[Jacob1983]

Is this what the new DLC for Fallout New Vegas is going to be?

[CuckingFunt]

Stop derailing this thread with your personal hatred of me.

Want to talk about me, start an appropriate thread.

Derailing a thread implies there was at some point a train of thought.

You merely threw an inoperable steam engine on blocks out on the track and asked everyone to look at it.

[ChumpDumper]

Man, WC is on one hell of a bender.

[boutons_deux]

Yeah, right! There's lots of excess water in the Colorado River, wastefully being dumped into the Pacific. :) The Rocky Mountain snow fall is more abundant than ever!!

What if we asked the farmers to pay the same price for Colorado river water as San Diego pays? Some of these decades-old water agreements, like the ones for TX rice farmers using river water, need to be renegotiatiated. Really, does water-intensive rice farming in semi-desertic, drought-stricken TX make any sense now that we now water TX water is a diminishing resource?

We know from the loss of ice cap in the Arctic that ice reflects energy back into space, while exposed water retains it. I suppose the white, light colored DV desert reflects solar energy also, so flooding it would probably capture more of it.

[Wild Cobra]

We know from the loss of ice cap in the Arctic that ice reflects energy back into space, while exposed water retains it. I suppose the white, light colored DV desert reflects solar energy also, so flooding it would probably capture more of it.
Yes, flooding it would capture slightly more heat than than sand does. Sand is already a pretty absorptive material though of solar heat though.

You see, I think a large inland lake or sea would capture this solar energy and create more precipitation in the surrounding region, reverting much of the desert to usable land. Possible fix some water shortage issues with more rainfall.

[DarrinS]

Wow. What a bunch of immature dickheads you guys are. As if there aren't a miriad of geoenineering proposals out there aimed at halting so-called "climate change".

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[DarrinS]

Discovery Channel had a short-lived series on this same issue

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/project-earth/highlights/highlights.html

[DarrinS]

OMHO, these geoengineering projects, however well intended, have too many unknown consequences.

And they may only be as effective at stopping climate change as these people are effective at saving whales.

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[boutons_deux]

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Death+Valley,+CA&hl=en&ll=35.817813,-116.394653&spn=3.941579,8.453979&sll=33.614619,-116.586914&sspn=4.047941,8.453979&t=p&z=8

DV is not very big compared to the surrounding desert wasteland. I don't think evaporation from Lake Wild Cobra would be enough difference. Moot because there's not enough water to do it.

I saw a program on DV. It get rain every 40 or 50 years. But when there is rain, always a little, the desert plants, flowers, grasses, explode for a day or two. Their seeds are very hardy and last decades without water. Sorta like bermuda grass. :)

[MannyIsGod]

Wow. What a bunch of immature dickheads you guys are. As if there aren't a miriad of geoenineering proposals out there aimed at halting so-called "climate change".

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How many are there to flood a desert basin? :lmao

Most of those proposals are pretty stupid too, in any event. Just not as stupid as trying to flood a dry desert basin.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah, right! There's lots of excess water in the Colorado River, wastefully being dumped into the Pacific. :) The Rocky Mountain snow fall is more abundant than ever!!

What if we asked the farmers to pay the same price for Colorado river water as San Diego pays? Some of these decades-old water agreements, like the ones for TX rice farmers using river water, need to be renegotiatiated. Really, does water-intensive rice farming in semi-desertic, drought-stricken TX make any sense now that we now water TX water is a diminishing resource?

We know from the loss of ice cap in the Arctic that ice reflects energy back into space, while exposed water retains it. I suppose the white, light colored DV desert reflects solar energy also, so flooding it would probably capture more of it.

That river doesn't even reach the Pacific anymore. Hoover, Glen Canyon, and all the other damns on that river in the US have made sure of that.

Completely agree about water prices though. Pheonix and Las Vegas are fucking horrible examples of how our society wastes shit so badly. Those two cities have no business being where they are.

[MannyIsGod]

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Death+Valley,+CA&hl=en&ll=35.817813,-116.394653&spn=3.941579,8.453979&sll=33.614619,-116.586914&sspn=4.047941,8.453979&t=p&z=8

DV is not very big compared to the surrounding desert wasteland. I don't think evaporation from Lake Wild Cobra would be enough difference. Moot because there's not enough water to do it.

I saw a program on DV. It get rain every 40 or 50 years. But when there is rain, always a little, the desert plants, flowers, grasses, explode for a day or two. Their seeds are very hardy and last decades without water. Sorta like bermuda grass. :)

Evaporation would certainly be a huge issue. The evaporation off Lake Mead is already at huge numbers. The evaporation off of Lake Wild Cobra would be even worse so then you'd need a source of water equivilant of the Colorado River to replenish it on a regular basis.

LOL Darrin calling us immature over this. LOL

[MannyIsGod]

yes, flooding it would capture slightly more heat than than sand does. Sand is already a pretty absorptive material though of solar heat though.

You see, i think a large inland lake or sea would capture this solar energy and create more precipitation in the surrounding region, reverting much of the desert to usable land. Possible fix some water shortage issues with more rainfall.

lol?

[MannyIsGod]

LOL WC saying he understands climate sciences. I guess there are no Lake Wild Cobra (lol boutons - genius naming) blog graphics for him to copy and post here.

[boutons_deux]

Las Vegas red-state NV exists because of the government's overreaching socialistic stimulus of Hoover dam.

[baseline bum]

How about if every American scraped out their freezer and we dumped it all to create the Death Valley Glacier?

[ChumpDumper]

What if we flooded Death Valley?With what water?


Would the new inland sea have enough surface area to make a dramatic climate change?Enough to change a 150 inch/year evaporation rate?

Doubtful.


Any thought by the educated climatologists among us?Manny thinks the idea sucks.

[redzero]

What if we slowed down the rotation of the iron in the core of the planet to weaken the magnetic field? Then the solar wind could blow all the CO2 away.

What a retarded idea. Did you not see The Core?

[CosmicCowboy]

Damn. That would take more water than the Superdome...

[ChumpDumper]

Really, what do you think used to be in Death Valley in the past?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Lake_Manly_system.png

Somebody can shop "Wild Cobra" over the word "Manly" in the picture.

[MannyIsGod]

On the other hand, the fact that it dried up is proof that climate change occurred in the past so that if its happening today it can't be because of CO2.

[baseline bum]

What a retarded idea. Did you not see The Core?

Nah, I'll leave that for people like WC who love science fiction but not science nonfiction.

[Wild Cobra]

With what water?

Enough to change a 150 inch/year evaporation rate?

Evaporation is what I'm counting on to reform the desert region climate. Create precipitation in the area. It would be a massive project, probably require tunnels and channels from the Pacific Ocean.

[ChumpDumper]

On the other hand, the fact that it dried up is proof that climate change occurred in the past so that if its happening today it can't be because of CO2.That's probably the entire purpose of the thread.

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao

[scott]

I think I successfully pulled this off on SimCity2000. Definitely doable.

[ChumpDumper]

Evaporation is what I'm counting on to reform the desert region climate. Create precipitation in the area. It would be a massive project, probably require tunnels and channels from the Pacific Ocean.Ask Manny what a virga is.

[MannyIsGod]

You would have thought all the swimming pools in Vegas and Phoenix could have turned the areas around them into rain forests by now according to WC logic.

[MannyIsGod]

Ask Manny what a virga is.

The amount of water we're talking about here wouldn't even fuel virga. WC understands the sciences but for some odd reason doesn't understand the amount of water it takes for rain.

[Wild Cobra]

You would have thought all the swimming pools in Vegas and Phoenix could have turned the areas around them into rain forests by now according to WC logic.
Wow...

I know you aren't that ignorant. What can't you guys be serious for once.

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao

WC you are the best troll in the history of ST. I want to know who made you. I really do.

[Wild Cobra]

The amount of water we're talking about here wouldn't even fuel virga. WC understands the sciences but for some odd reason doesn't understand the amount of water it takes for rain.
What I'm missing is I don't know how many square miles the new salt lake(s) would be. I haven't found how much area us below sea level yet. It would have to be a real large area to work.

[ChumpDumper]

What if we flooded Glen Canyon?

[baseline bum]

You would have thought all the swimming pools in Vegas and Phoenix could have turned the areas around them into rain forests by now according to WC logic.

How do you know they aren't rainforest? When was the last time you were in Las Vegas or Phoenix? Spare me the lies the liberal media has been feeding you.

[Wild Cobra]

:lmao

WC you are the best troll in the history of ST. I want to know who made you. I really do.
This ought to be good...

Who's my maker?

[MannyIsGod]

What if we flooded Glen Canyon?

:lol

[Agloco]

Any intelligent thoughts?

I find it ironic that you'd ask such a question after starting a thread such as this.

[Wild Cobra]

I find it ironic that you'd ask such a question after starting a thread such as this.
I would be off base here if the water created would have little surface area. Do you know about how many square miles would be flooded? If not, your criticism is premature.

[Agloco]

I would be off base here if the water created would have little surface area. Do you know about how many square miles would be flooded? If not, your criticism is premature.

Well, can't you get a surface contour map at zero elevation? I'm sure you could piece one together just from zooming around Google Earth.

[baseline bum]

Well, can't you get a surface contour map at zero elevation? I'm sure you could piece one together just from zooming around Google Earth.

Even better, USGS topo maps:

http://www.topoquest.com/

[Winehole23]

Well, can't you get a surface contour map at zero elevation? I'm sure you could piece one together just from zooming around Google Earth.
:lol

[boutons_deux]

go to google maps link I gave above. Go to street view on the road that runs along the eastern edge.

You see that DV floor is very flat so it would be much wider than deep, about 6 miles at max width, but open at both ends, needing two dams.

Many $10Bs. "We're broke!"

And the evaporation would be horrendous, maybe loss of a foot per week. Swimming pools in SA can lose 1"/week on hottest, driest days. And who knows where it would come down again. With that desert air being so dry, it would suck it up and probably never have enough vapor density reach precipitation.

Figure how many foot-acres steady inflow to keep it topped up.

Anyway, there ain't no water available anyway. It's all (over-)spoken for, and becoming more unreliable as the snow pack becomes more unreliable.

[Agloco]

Even better, USGS topo maps:

http://www.topoquest.com/

:tu
You see WC? You've got multiple people helping out in this asinine endeavour now. I think Mannys right. You're master troll. :LOL

[Wild Cobra]

:tu
You see WC? You've got multiple people helping out in this asinine endeavour now. I think Mannys right. You're master troll. :LOL

Oh come on, give me a break. Have you tried to use those maps?

[Wild Cobra]

OK, I found a source that lists Death Valley as having 550 square miles below sea level. Not really close to enough to do as I was hoping.

Thank you all for the help... NOT!

[ChumpDumper]

Dude, I gave you a map of the lake that used to be there. Can't you figure this shit out?

[Wild Cobra]

Dude, I gave you a map of the lake that used to be there. Can't you figure this shit out?
Always the Chumpmonkey...

Are all lakes below sea level? If I remember correctly, very, very few are. I see you are ignorant as to why I ignored your comment.

[baseline bum]

Oh come on, give me a break. Have you tried to use those maps?

Yeah, they're the top of the line when it comes to elevation profiles in the US. The contour interval is only 40 feet for the vast majority of their 7.5" quads. On occasion a quad with a really prominent peak (such the Grand Teton quad or the Mount McKinley one) might need to use 80' intervals. What more could you possibly want though? 1' intervals? A continuous function?

[CuckingFunt]

Are all lakes below sea level? If I remember correctly, very, very few are.

Then why would you give such an urgent fuck about how much of Death Valley is below sea level?

[MannyIsGod]

You could flood all of Death Valley and it would not have the effect you wanted. Do you know how big some of the largest reservoirs in the world are? You're just a moron.

LOL Lake Mead turned Vegas into a rain forest!!!!

[ChumpDumper]

Always the Chumpmonkey...

Are all lakes below sea level? If I remember correctly, very, very few are. I see you are ignorant as to why I ignored your comment.You're an idiot.

I see you don't understand why I call you an idiot.

[ChumpDumper]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Lake_Manly_system.png

Tell me, WC: Where do you think the lowest points on this map would be?

Serious question.

[Agloco]

Oh come on, give me a break. Have you tried to use those maps?

Let's see......

You have an old map from Chump.

You have detailed topographical data courtesy of Bumster.

You have a medium within which to do a comparative analysis courtesy of many.

You also have a reasonable supposition as to what your null hypothesis should be courtesy of Manny.

You're akin to a lazy graduate student. You got all of the tools, but you still want someone to build the thesis for you.

[DarrinS]

I see a lot of you arguing about the specific geographical location, but not the idea.

[Agloco]

I see a lot of you arguing about the specific geographical location, but not the idea.

Pray tell, where else would you implement such an idea?

Northern Central Siberia? :lol

[MannyIsGod]

I see a lot of you arguing about the specific geographical location, but not the idea.


You could flood all of Death Valley and it would not have the effect you wanted. Do you know how big some of the largest reservoirs in the world are? You're just a moron.

LOL Lake Mead turned Vegas into a rain forest!!!!

[ChumpDumper]

I see a lot of you arguing about the specific geographical location, but not the idea.


What if we flooded Glen Canyon?

[Wild Cobra]

Yeah, they're the top of the line when it comes to elevation profiles in the US. The contour interval is only 40 feet for the vast majority of their 7.5" quads. On occasion a quad with a really prominent peak (such the Grand Teton quad or the Mount McKinley one) might need to use 80' intervals. What more could you possibly want though? 1' intervals? A continuous function?
My God. Are you really that dense? Take to long with those small area screens to figure out where seal level is, and the total area.

Stop being so lame.

[Wild Cobra]

Then why would you give such an urgent fuck about how much of Death Valley is below sea level?
I already explained the purpose.

[Wild Cobra]

You could flood all of Death Valley and it would not have the effect you wanted. Do you know how big some of the largest reservoirs in the world are? You're just a moron.

LOL Lake Mead turned Vegas into a rain forest!!!!
No shit Sherlock...

See post #67.

[Wild Cobra]

Let's see......

You have an old map from Chump.

You have detailed topographical data courtesy of Bumster.

You have a medium within which to do a comparative analysis courtesy of many.

You also have a reasonable supposition as to what your null hypothesis should be courtesy of Manny.

You're akin to a lazy graduate student. You got all of the tools, but you still want someone to build the thesis for you.
See post #67.

[Wild Cobra]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Lake_Manly_system.png

Tell me, WC: Where do you think the lowest points on this map would be?

Serious question.
Why the stupid question? Are you purposely ignoring my intent of the OP? It doesn't matter that the lakes are probably the lowest points. That doesn't tell me with any accuracy the total area below sea level. They can be above or below sea level. in such a situation.

[CubanMustGo]

I see a lot of you arguing about the specific geographical location, but not the idea.

Lake Mead (250 sq. mi.) didn't do dick to change the climate in NV/AZ. The idea sucks.

[Wild Cobra]

I'll leave this thread for you ankle biters. The idea is a bust.

[baseline bum]

The idea is a bust.

Then get a fucking shovel.

[scott]

tbqh just look at the veritable oasis wonderland that the Salton Sea has created in the Colorado Desert.

[Agloco]

See post #67.

What was your source?

[ChumpDumper]

Why the stupid question?It's quite a serious question.
Are you purposely ignoring my intent of the OP?No, idiot. I was telling you where Lake Wild Cobra would be. Your stupid ass couldn't figure any of it out or use any of the clues I gave you to actually, you know, look up things like Lake Manly which would help you flesh out your idiotic theory.
It doesn't matter that the lakes are probably the lowest points.Why not? That's exactly where Lake Wild Cobra would be. You pump the water in, that's where it's going to go. It's the entire point of your stupid thread.
That doesn't tell me with any accuracy the total area below sea level. They can be above or below sea level. in such a situation.Why would they need to be above or below sea level? What the holy hell are you talking about?

Explain your hare-brained scheme for once so we can properly mock it.

Thanks in advance.

[DarrinS]

Lake Mead (250 sq. mi.) didn't do dick to change the climate in NV/AZ. The idea sucks.

Fair enough. I suspect that a lot of geoengineering ideas are bad ones. My personal favorite is wrapping Greenland in a giant Snuggie.

[Drachen]

Damn. That would take more water than the Superdome...
LMAO

Nah, I'll leave that for people like WC who love science fiction but not science nonfiction.
LOL

I think I successfully pulled this off on SimCity2000. Definitely doable.

and LMAO!

[boutons_deux]

"Lake Mead (250 sq. mi.) didn't do dick to change the climate in NV/AZ."

excellent reference.

[MannyIsGod]

Its amazing that most of Baja California is a desert considering its on the Pacific. I mean all that determines a climate is how close it is to water, right?

[boutons_deux]

"Baja California is a desert considering its on the Pacific"

yes, it is amazing, but not unique.

another one: the Namibian desert in s/w Africa, desert sand right to the water line.

[MannyIsGod]

There's a well understood reason for why these deserts occur and it happens at a scale much larger than a freaking man made reservoir will be able to solve. The only reason the SE US (and SE Asia - same principle - different body of water but also VERY large) isn't a desert is due to the Gulf of Mexico. So if you can make a reservoir of that size you might actually get somewhere with this idea.

When the air at the equator is heated up it rises in the atmosphere and then moves poleward. It cools as it does this and then sinks. Sinking air heats up and dries out immensely which is why you have such large swaths of low latitude deserts all over the world. Ever heard of a tiny sandy place on Earth called the Sahara?

Tell me again, WC, how well you understand the sciences around these situations better than anyone here. Please?

[Phenomanul]

"Baja California is a desert considering its on the Pacific"

yes, it is amazing, but not unique.

another one: the Namibian desert in s/w Africa, desert sand right to the water line.

If I'm not mistaken both of those deserts are located on the leeward side of cold ocean currents that have less evaporative potential than what a warmer current would produce (deductively obvious).

Not that I condone the OP's geoengineering proposal (kind of left-field)... just figured I would point that out...

[MannyIsGod]

If I'm not mistaken both of those deserts are located on the leeward side of cold ocean currents that have less evaporative potential than what a warmer current would produce (deductively obvious).

Not that I condone the OP's geoengineering proposal (kind of left-field)... just figured I would point that out...

The water just gets colder as you move up into the Northern Pacific but there is plenty of precipitation through the coastal regions of that area.

[Phenomanul]

The water just gets colder as you move up into the Northern Pacific but there is plenty of precipitation through the coastal regions of that area.

Obviously there are more factors involved...

My point was more along the lines of suggesting that if the currents along North America's western coast were warmer that the areas not currently seeing much rainfall would probably see some....

By proxy those in the Pacific Northwest you pointed out would likely see much more...

[MannyIsGod]

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/jetstream/global/circ.htm

Hadley cell - Low latitude air movement toward the equator that with heating, rises vertically, with poleward movement in the upper atmosphere. This forms a convection cell that dominates tropical and sub-tropical climates.

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/jetstream/global/climate.htm

B - Dry Climates
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/jetstream/global/images/b.jpgThe most obvious climatic feature of this climate is that potential evaporation and transpiration exceed precipitation. These climates extend from 20°-35° North and South of the equator and in large continental regions of the mid-latitudes often surrounded by mountains.

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/jetstream/global/climate_max.htm

There are belts of deserts across the world at these latitudes because of this.

More on the Hadley Cell:

Having lost most of its water vapor to condensation and rain in the upward branch of the circulation, the descending air is dry. Low relative humidities are produced as the air is adiabatically (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiabatic_lapse_rate) warmed due to compression as it descends into a region of higher pressure. The subtropics are relatively free of the convection, or thunderstorms, that are common in the equatorial belt of rising motion. Many of the world's deserts are located in these subtropical latitudes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadley_Cell

[MannyIsGod]

Obviously there are more factors involved...

My point was more along the lines of suggesting that if the currents along North America's western coast were warmer that the areas not currently seeing much rainfall would probably see some....

By proxy those in the Pacific Northwest you pointed out would likely see much more...

The predominant factor is not the temperature of the water at all but rather the atmospheric circulation and regions of low pressure associated with the large scale patterns.

Lift is far more important than warm water in producing precipitation. This is why orographic features can be the biggest promoters of rain - its a way of "creating" lift without relying on atmospheric lift. The rainiest place on earth is due to the lift provided by the Himalayas.

You would likely see an increase in precipitation if the Pacific off the coast of the PACNW was warmer but its just not even close to as big a player as the circulation patterns I mentioned.

[jacobdrj]

I like the idea of flooding a desert.

But not to make a wildlife refuge, or to 'change the climate'.

At the base of the Dead Sea Valley is the dead sea itself. It is one of the richest mining areas for rare elements that had been dissolved in fresh water recovered in the form of salts and sediment, on Earth.

The basin acts as a massive solar powered evaporator. However, because of the fresh water demands placed on the inflowing rivers into the Dead Sea, the Dead Sea is shrinking at an alarming rate...

What I propose is not to flood the area with fresh water. That is an irresponsible waste of a preciously scarce resource. (The evaporation rate is too high, the water would become brackish if not downright salty on it's own, and that vapor is not guaranteed to precipitate anywhere near the surrounding area.)

However, if you flooded the basin with SEA WATER from either the Red Sea or the Mediterranean (an already super salty ocean whose evaporation exceeds the inflow of 'fresh' seawater from the Atlantic at the Straights of Gibraltar, you can use the natural evaporation of the basin/sun to continue mining the sea at a nice rate...

So to with Death Valley. Flood it with sea water from the Sea of Cortez. Make another 'Salton Sea'. Turn it into a massive mining center.

There is no guarantee that any water vapor will precipitate anywhere within in North America, let alone Texas. But you will have a great mining reserve.

However, the difference may be with the underlying aquifer becoming contaminated (Ogallala perhaps?) and the native flora and fauna going extinct... There is less of a risk of this happening in the Dead Sea, as there are only a few types of microbes living there right now.

[DarrinS]

If I'm not mistaken both of those deserts are located on the leeward side of cold ocean currents that have less evaporative potential than what a warmer current would produce (deductively obvious).

Not that I condone the OP's geoengineering proposal (kind of left-field)... just figured I would point that out...


You are correct. I'm not sure why Manny is arguing with you about this.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_shadow

[jacobdrj]

The predominant factor is not the temperature of the water at all but rather the atmospheric circulation and regions of low pressure associated with the large scale patterns.

Lift is far more important than warm water in producing precipitation. This is why orographic features can be the biggest promoters of rain - its a way of "creating" lift without relying on atmospheric lift. The rainiest place on earth is due to the lift provided by the Himalayas.

You would likely see an increase in precipitation if the Pacific off the coast of the PACNW was warmer but its just not even close to as big a player as the circulation patterns I mentioned.

(or the Rockies in Seattle, for that matter...)

[jacobdrj]

"Baja California is a desert considering its on the Pacific"

yes, it is amazing, but not unique.

another one: the Namibian desert in s/w Africa, desert sand right to the water line.

Dryest place on Earth is Chile's Atacama Desert, located right on the Pacific Coast... There has never been rainfall recorded there...

[DarrinS]

Dryest place on Earth is Chile's Atacama Desert, located right on the Pacific Coast... There has never been rainfall recorded there...

Another leeward desert.

[MannyIsGod]

You are correct. I'm not sure why Manny is arguing with you about this.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_shadow

Not arguing, discussing.

However, he didn't even mention a rain shadow.

:lol

He was talking about potential precipitate water due to the water temperature of the nearby ocean.

[DarrinS]

Not arguing, discussing.

However, he didn't even mention a rain shadow.

:lol

He was talking about potential precipitate water due to the water temperature of the nearby ocean.

What do you think he was talking about when he said "leeward side"?


By the way, the Atacama desert recently received a massive snowfall.

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[jacobdrj]

In fairness, the 'whole' Atacama isn't the driest place on Earth, just 'parts' of it... There was rain in the 1970's too if I am not mistaken...

[Winehole23]

Cool factoid.

[MannyIsGod]

Another leeward desert.

Yes, thats a complete rain shadow due to the Andes. However, thats not at all the reason for Baja being dry nor is it the reason for the Namib being dry nor is it the reason Phenomanal brought up. You read "leeward" and your brain stopped working.

Rain shadows happen on the leeward side of mountain ranges. He said OCEAN CURRENTS.

[MannyIsGod]

What do you think he was talking about when he said "leeward side"?




Do you know what leeward means? It means downwind. He was talking about being downwind for a cold ocean current. Its right there in plain English, Darrin.

Leeward does not mean rain shadow.

Good lord who's next with their dose of stupid for this thread?

[jacobdrj]

No thoughts on the resource reclamation potential of a rapidly evaporating body of water?

[MannyIsGod]

If I'm not mistaken both of those deserts are located on the leeward side of cold ocean currents that have less evaporative potential than what a warmer current would produce (deductively obvious).

Not that I condone the OP's geoengineering proposal (kind of left-field)... just figured I would point that out...

Darrin, next time read it before you quote it.

[MannyIsGod]

No thoughts on the resource reclamation potential of a rapidly evaporating body of water?

I don't know about what the minerals are that are extracted from such types of dry lake beds but I am 99% sure that its not worth what it would cost to undertake such a process. Thats completely aside from the fact that Death Valley is a national park and not able to be developed in such a way.

The SW US has major issues regarding moving water for human consumption at this time and its going to get far worse in the future. Resources will go into solving that so I can promise you no one is going to make an efford to make a giant salt lake before first finding a way to move more fresh water into the region.

[DarrinS]

Darrin, next time read it before you quote it.

You're right. I didn't read it carefully.

[ElNono]

What if we let this thread die the undignified death it deserves?

[ElNono]

Or we can flood it with water...

[jacobdrj]

I think it is an interesting mental exercise. However, It probably should be in a different forum, other than political...

[MannyIsGod]

Or we can flood it with water...

This thread : Intellectual thought as death valley : rain

[MannyIsGod]

I think it is an interesting mental exercise. However, It probably should be in a different forum, other than political...

The political forum is a jack of all trades.

[Agloco]

Another leeward desert.

Is Antarctica also a leeward desert?

[scott]

What if we flooded the entire Politics Forum with intelligent posts and well thought-out thread topics?

Would boutons, Wild Cobra, DarrinS, et. al cease to exist?

[MannyIsGod]

Is Antarctica also a leeward desert?

LOL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB

Antartica is cold, how could it be a desert?



















































:toast

[Winehole23]

What if we flooded the entire Politics Forum with intelligent posts and well thought-out thread topics?For better and for worse, it has never been tried.

[Winehole23]

During the period of my membership,etc,..

[Winehole23]

That i know of, etc,....Parker? You lurkin?

[Agloco]

For better and for worse, it has never been tried.


During the period of my membership,etc,..


That i know of, etc,....Parker? You lurkin?

:lol

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao Lake Wild Cobra

[mouse]

What if we flooded the entire Politics Forum with intelligent posts

Politics and intelligent shouldn't be in the same sentence.

[mouse]

:lmao Lake Wild Cobra

Is That close to Cosmic Cowboy Creek?

[Wild Cobra]

Is That close to Cosmic Cowboy Creek?
That's now flooded.

[Agloco]

:lmao Lake Wild Cobra

http://hannahsarahlewis.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/no-colored-allowed-black-americana-cast-iron-sign-10x4_220665307171.jpg?w=890

[Wild Cobra]

http://hannahsarahlewis.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/no-colored-allowed-black-americana-cast-iron-sign-10x4_220665307171.jpg?w=890I'm curious. Why do you think that applies? My current girlfriend is "colored." Did you know that?

I thought you were above believing how other people paint a person.

[ChumpDumper]

Did you ever figure out where the water would go?

[Agloco]

I'm curious. Why do you think that applies? My current girlfriend is "colored." Did you know that?

Simply put, I don't believe you.



I thought you were above believing how other people paint a person.

I see the pun here, and it's quite tasteless IMO.

[Wild Cobra]

Simply put, I don't believe you.

Sorry you feel that way. I have no need to lie about it. Met her at a friends birthday party in October. Been seeing her off and on since, and we are together since earlier this month.

[Agloco]

Sorry you feel that way. I have no need to lie about it. Met he at a friends birthday party in October. Been seeing her off and on since, and we are together since earlier this month.

Fair enough. Perhaps the picture above overstepped a bit. The sentiment is a monster of your own creation though.

[Wild Cobra]

Fair enough. Perhaps the picture above overstepped a bit. The sentiment is a monster of your own creation though.
Just because I am not politically correct? Say things like in see them?

[Agloco]

Just because I am not politically correct? Say things like in see them?

That's certainly part of the problem. You're also no doubt aware that there's more to it.

You've gone on record as saying that one should avoid blacks. Now we're to believe that you date a woman of color? I seriously doubt that she's aware of your worldview(s).

Simply because you'd allow her to swim at Lake Wild Cobra doesn't make this go away. Would you allow folks from the Lower 9th Ward to swim in your flooded paradise?

[Wild Cobra]

That's certainly part of the problem. You're also no doubt aware that there's more to it.

Yes, peoples prejudice paints me a certain way.


You've gone on record as saying that one should avoid blacks.
You are either mistaken or lying. I challenge you to show me where.

Now we're to believe that you date a woman of color?
Again, it's your bias keeping you from believing that.

I seriously doubt that she's aware of your worldview(s).

Not all of them, but she is in agreement with the things I have said.

Are you implying that no black people think similar to me?

Maybe you are the racist...


Simply because you'd allow her to swim at Lake Wild Cobra doesn't make this go away. Would you allow folks from the Lower 9th Ward to swim in your flooded paradise?

I see you're going off the deep end.