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Hook Dem
09-19-2004, 06:13 PM
Vietnam POWs Slam Kerry in Documentary
By Jeff Gannon
Talon News
September 10, 2004

WASHINGTON (Talon News) -- The presidential campaign of Democratic Sen. John Kerry suffered another blow Thursday with the release of a new documentary. The 45-minute film features 13 former Vietnam prisoners of war who tell of how they were physically tortured by their communist captors and threatened with execution for war crimes. The evidence against them was based on the testimony of Navy Lieutenant John Kerry before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971.

"Stolen Honor: Wounds That Never Heal" was produced by Carlton Sherwood, a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist and decorated Vietnam veteran. He reduced over 20 hours of vivid accounts of physical and psychological abuse suffered in North Vietnamese prison camps to a powerful indictment of the most prominent leader of the anti-war movement, John Kerry.

One by one, the men tell their horrific stories of torture at the hands of the North Vietnamese while Kerry and his cohorts paraded through the streets of Washington, DC carrying the flag of their captors. Several of their wives appear in the film to describe the impact of their husbands' prolonged absence and their reaction to the vilification of their imprisoned spouses.

The veterans in the film make the case that Kerry's public statements and antiwar activities along with Jane Fonda and Tom Hayden delayed the end of the war and postponed their release from the prison camps. While the North Vietnamese were losing the war in Southeast Asia, they say Kerry's words helped them "win the war in the streets of America."

Several members of Congress made statements prior to a screening of the film Thursday at the Marine Officers Reserve Building. One of them, Rep. Joseph Pitts (R-PA), who flew 116 missions over Southeast Asia during the war, said that the documentary would help to dispel the "falsehoods that have prevailed over truth for 30 years."

Pitts suggested that while it was perhaps too late for an apology from Kerry, "it's never too late to correct the record."

The group of highly decorated veterans in the film has impeccable credentials; two of them are Medal of Honor recipients. One of them, Col. George "Bud" E. Day, was held captive for nearly 6 years. He criticized Kerry for masquerading as a war hero and "casting the longest shadow" over the reputations over all who served.

He said, "Every wound and every death after Kerry's testimony in 1971 could somehow be attributed to him."

Sherwood briefly mentions in the documentary that the American media played a key role in amplifying Kerry's claims of atrocities committed by U.S. troops and failing to investigate his shocking accusations. He says that the three networks in existence in 1971 all refused his repeated requests for permission to use their footage in his film.

He said, "It's time for the press to allow these men to speak. For 30 years this story has been there, for 30 years they've kept it inside."

Sherwood referred to his work as "the story the media hasn't told you and surely this is the story that John Kerry never wanted to be told."

Talon News asked if Sherwood and the men who appeared in the documentary are prepared for a smear campaign against them.

He replied, "We are all aware of what happened to the Swift Boats Veterans for Truth and the price they had to pay for their honesty and courage. We know it's coming, in fact it's already started."

Sherwood continued, "It's disgraceful that anyone would try to impeach the credibility of these fine distinguished veterans. These are among the bravest men we have alive in our country today."

He pointed out that the men associated with the project have diverse political backgrounds.

Sherwood said, "This is not political, it's deeply personal."

The producer declared, "John Kerry ran on this, John Kerry brought this up. John Kerry has built his campaign and the foundation of his entire political career on this and we want him to be accountable."

NBC's David Shuster accused Sherwood of misrepresenting Kerry's words in the editing.

Sherwood shot back, "Why wouldn't NBC allow us to use their footage?"

NBC also denied Sherwood's requests to use footage from Kerry's appearances on "Meet the Press."

Noting that Kerry hasn't held a press conference in over a month, Sherwood told Shuster, "We're asking Kerry to explain what he did and rather than have you explain and defend him."

One member of the media had a document from a source he refused to name entitled, "5 tough questions to ask those behind Stolen Honor."

More information on the documentary is available at www.stolenhonor.com/ (http://www.stolenhonor.com/)


It may be that the mainstream media is just too corrupt at this point in history to be trusted for any relevant news reporting.

"Congressmen who willfully take action during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged."
Abraham Lincoln

To view a sample of each Vietnam POW’s comments go to View Sample Clips on the Stolen Honor website and scroll down that page til you start seeing the pictures and video clips. Be prepared to spend several minutes watching each video clip. Click on each one and listen to what these Medal of Honor recipients (two of them) and highly decorated veterans had to say about John Kerry and his anti-war statements made while they were being held in captivity. Many of them were tortured further (some until they died) because they refused to sign a statement that they had committed the atrocities that LT. JOHN FORBES KERRY said to the world that they had... They have kept quiet, for the most part, while rebuilding their lives, until Kerry decided to run for President. Now they are speaking out, and the DNC, Kerry campaign, mainstream media and TV networks are doing all they can to prevent this from coming out.

Hook Dem
09-19-2004, 11:22 PM
Bump

Nbadan
09-20-2004, 05:11 AM
Now the man behind "Stolen Honor" is Carlton Sherwood, producer of the documentary and president of the shadowy group (sorry, I just love when Scott McClellan uses that term) Red, White and Blue Productions. Sherwood also happens to be a former reporter for the Rev. Sun Myung Moon's Washington Times and was, well, according to PBS's Frontline (http://www.mediachannel.org/originals/moontranscript.shtml), a bit of a shill for the Unification Church.

And, perhaps of more interest, Sherwood has some pretty close ties to Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge. Here's Ridge speaking before the National Press Club (http://usembassy-australia.state.gov/hyper/2002/0208/epf511.htm) in February 2002:


And the other Marine -- I do have a couple Marines that are friends. (Laughter.) Everybody ought to have a couple Marines as friends. Then your homeland would definitely be secure -- is Carlton Sherwood (phonetic), who headed up my commonwealth media services when I was privileged to serve the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. A decorated Vietnam veteran, a prizewinning journalist himself. So, Carlton, I would like you to stand up and be recognized. (Applause.)

And *cough* surprise, surprise (http://www.insiderpa.com/archive/insider6-2003.htm)


And speaking of homeland security, a former Ridge confidant and administration official, Carlton Sherwood, is now executive vice president of the WVC3 Group, a well-connected anti-terrorism, security firm headquartered in Reston, VA. (www.wvc3.com). Sherwood directed then-Gov. Ridge's award-winning broadcast TV and radio operations in Harrisburg. Sherwood has been tapped to create and manage a new Fed website- www.firstresponder.gov-a key Bush Administration public outreach program directed to the more than 8 million police, fire, EMS and emergency management personnel nationwide. The new "professional" internet site, scheduled to go on-line later this year, will feature an array of training and educational components in addition to news and information tailored to the interests of the first responder community.

That article was dated June 2003 and according to this document (http://www.apwa.net/Documents/GovtAffairs/WashingtonReport/wash_report_112003.pdf) (PDF file) the site was supposed to go live on March 2004, but so far ... nada. But it's not like we're in any hurry or anything. Take your time. You've got documentaries to produce. And a whole bunch of history to cover up.

Yonivore
09-20-2004, 11:17 AM
You're just having a hard time accepting that there's a whole hell of a lot of Vietnam Veterans that would rather see Kerry feeding worms than sitting in the White House.

Ever stop to think that maybe these people are partisan Republicans because of Kerry?

Nbadan
09-20-2004, 03:32 PM
Right. I'm sure that Mr. Sherwoods connection to Tom Ridge and the Homeland Security Department had nothing to do with his book attacking John Kerry.

:lol

Yonivore
09-20-2004, 03:34 PM
Debunk the content.

How it got published is irrelevant.

Nbadan
09-20-2004, 03:35 PM
Just like the CBS documents right?

Yonivore
09-20-2004, 04:35 PM
The CBS documents were forged...there's no content to debunk, it was all made up.

Nbadan
09-20-2004, 04:47 PM
Right. So those 1972 Bush National Guard documents through themselves in the trash, and that 30 year old micro-fiche backup that is supposed to last 400 years was really just 'accidentally' destroyed. No cover-up here.

:rolleyes

Tommy Duncan
09-20-2004, 04:48 PM
Why is it that you can question Bush's official honorable discharge but the Swift Vets cannot do the same to Kerry's naval records?

Nbadan
09-20-2004, 04:51 PM
Why is it you believe the Swift boat liars and not Dan Rather?

LandSharkII
09-20-2004, 04:53 PM
Why is it you believe the Swift boat liars and not Dan Rather?
Maybe you haven't been following the news lately, but it's Dan Rather who is the liar.

Tommy Duncan
09-20-2004, 04:57 PM
Why is it you believe the Swift boat liars and not Dan Rather?

When have I ever said I believed them?

Again, answer the question:


Why is it that you can question Bush's official honorable discharge but the Swift Vets cannot do the same to Kerry's naval records?

Yonivore
09-20-2004, 05:31 PM
"Why is it you believe the Swift boat liars and not Dan Rather?"
Dan Rather? Are you sure you don't want to rephrase that question?

And, again, debunk the content of the Swiftboat ads or the book.

We've already debunked Rather's rather biased -- and impotent -- attempt to affect the outcome of this year's election.

Tommy Duncan
09-20-2004, 05:33 PM
It just seems like a Rather convenient double standard.

Nbadan
09-20-2004, 05:45 PM
Maybe you haven't been following the news lately, but it's Dan Rather who is the liar.

So what did Dan Rather lie about? That he thought the documents were vetted and authenticated? Nope. That he thought that Burkett had been the original source of the document? Nope. That is was absolutely convinced by the White Houses inaction and apathy toward the documents that they were in fact originals? Nope. That Ms. Knox's confirmation that the content in the documents were indeed accurate unsubstantiated the legitimacy of the documents? Nope.

Will someone tell me where Dan Rather lied?

Yonivore
09-20-2004, 05:46 PM
Now, you're trying to tell us that Dan Rather had no idea who Bill Burkett was and that it was possible anything that came from that man was suspect?

Tommy Duncan
09-20-2004, 05:46 PM
danny, he "intentionally misled."

Nbadan
09-20-2004, 05:47 PM
Like the administration did on Iraq?

Yonivore
09-20-2004, 05:48 PM
No, the Administration didn't mislead.

Tommy Duncan
09-20-2004, 05:50 PM
At worst that was unintentionally misled.

Tommy Duncan
09-20-2004, 05:51 PM
Anyways, back to the question danny refuses to answer:


Why is it that you can question Bush's official honorable discharge but the Swift Vets cannot do the same to Kerry's naval records?

Nbadan
09-20-2004, 05:58 PM
Kerry's Naval Records have been scrutinized over and over again. There is simply no smoking gun there so the Neocon attack machines want to dig further. What are they looking for? They haven't a clue.

Tommy Duncan
09-20-2004, 06:03 PM
Bush's National Guard Records have been scrutinized over and over again. There is simply no smoking gun there so the Leftist attack machines want to dig further. What are they looking for? They haven't a clue.

Yonivore
09-20-2004, 06:20 PM
"Kerry's Naval Records have been scrutinized over and over again."
Then why did the Navy disclose, day before yesterday, that Kerry had failed to file a form 180 that would have allowed them to release the final 31 pages of his military records?

I thought Kerry said he'd released all his records?

Hook Dem
09-20-2004, 06:40 PM
I posted an article on that a couple of days ago if you will go back and look.

Nbadan
09-20-2004, 07:00 PM
I thought Kerry said he'd released all his records?

Where are the rest of W's records? The AP has every right to all of W's service records under the freedom of information act, and yet the adminstration keeps stalling.

Here we have a smoking gun that W. skirted his military duty to our country, and the Repugs are too distracted in looking for dirt on kerry when they have nothing to point at to say, "This is why we think these final 31 pages should be released".

Tommy Duncan
09-20-2004, 07:04 PM
So it's ok for Kerry to not release all of his records but it is ok to hound Bush about releasing his? Perhaps I am mistaken but I believe Bush has signed a form 180.

Yonivore
09-20-2004, 09:53 PM
"Where are the rest of W's records?"
Who said there are any more? The Pentagon has a form 180, the President has officially, verbally, and every-other-ly given permission for the military to release everything they have on him.

"The AP has every right to all of W's service records under the freedom of information act, and yet the adminstration keeps stalling."
Where's your proof the administration is stalling or that the Associated Press is not getting everything to which they are entitled?

"Here we have a smoking gun that W. skirted his military duty to our country,..."
Where? What smoking gun?

"...and the Repugs are too distracted in looking for dirt on kerry..."
I've not seen the RNC, the administration, or the Bush campaign bringing up anything new on Kerry, everything dirty has been brought up by independent 527 groups.

"...when they have nothing to point at to say, "This is why we think these final 31 pages should be released".
Actually, they have Kerry's own words, that he'd release all of his records, to which they can point.

exstatic
09-20-2004, 10:50 PM
...there's no content to debunk, it was all made up.

Speaking of double standards, Yoni apparently believes the old woman when she says they aren't originals, but not when she says the content is correct.

Yonivore
09-20-2004, 10:52 PM
We didn't need the old woman to tell us the memos were fake, and you're right, I don't believe the old bag who, just a week before, couldn't remember Bush during his service but sure as hell remembered the Demoncratic party line that he had stolen the 2000 election and was "selected not elected."

Yep, she's a lying bitch in my book. Or just senile.

Nbadan
09-21-2004, 05:14 AM
Yep, she's a lying bitch in my book. Or just senile.

This is pretty much the crust of what people like Yonivore think about people who don't think like he does. Everybody is out to get them, everyone has a motive, everyone is to be watched, scrutinized and if need be held down and flogged. This is also exactly the sort of thing that supporters of W have turned their backs on at Guantanamo and Abu Gharib. The torture, abuse and sexual humiliation of human beings has poisoned our countries moral authority in the eyes of God.

Don't think that they don't have a plan for dissenters in the future either. This is the sort of things supporters of W. are voting for.

Tommy Duncan
09-21-2004, 08:48 AM
This is pretty much the crust of what people like Yonivore think about people who don't think like he does. Everybody is out to get them

Pot meet the fucking Kettle. :lol

Yonivore
09-21-2004, 11:04 AM
Well, how do you resolve that just a week before, she could barely recall Bush?

Hook Dem
09-21-2004, 12:13 PM
As you pointed out before, she's senile and we all know what that equates to. She remembers only what she is told to.

Nbadan
09-21-2004, 12:19 PM
She seemed pretty poignant to me during the interview with Dan Rather. By the way, I like how some people like to point out that CBS News ratings are in the crapper since allegations of the forged documents surfaced. What they fail to mention is that 60 minutes ratings have never been better since Rather broke the Bush failing to show up for guard duty service. 60 minutes even beat the Emmy awards Sunday night finishing at number 1 in its time slot.

Tommy Duncan
09-21-2004, 12:25 PM
Ok that was utterly irrelevant.

Yonivore
09-21-2004, 01:04 PM
"She seemed pretty poignant to me during the interview with Dan Rather."
She seemed pretty coached to everyone else.

"By the way, I like how some people like to point out that CBS News ratings are in the crapper since allegations of the forged documents surfaced. What they fail to mention is that 60 minutes ratings have never been better since Rather broke the Bush failing to show up for guard duty service. 60 minutes even beat the Emmy awards Sunday night finishing at number 1 in its time slot."
Everyone is waiting for Dan Rather's head to explode on national T.V.; who wants to miss that? Then, we'll move on to better programming.