Beck compares Norwegian youth camp to Hitler Youth

[EVAY]

Just when we all thought that we couldn't get any more embarrassed, this story shows up:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43895169/ns/world_news-europe/

[EVAY]

You know, I had happily forgotten about Beck (like most other rational Americans, I assume) when I came across the article above while looking for something on the European debt markets.

The ignorance here is genuinely astounding. Apparently Beck doesn't even know about things like "The Model UN" here in America, or that talented youth all over the U.S. are invited to participate in week or month-long events in Washington, D.C. to prepare them for roles in politics and civil responsibility. That is more like what the kids in Norway were attending.

And the kids in Norway were, by and large, the children of the ruling political party in Norway, which the gunman held responsible for being too lenient in their immigration and racial policies!

This is just embarrassing.

[Wild Cobra]

This is just embarrassing.
Why?

Do you relate?

[Drachen]

Why?

Do you relate?

I saw the thread and thought we would be talking about my time being a piece of was, fallin on a termite, who's chokin on a splinter, or a devils haircut.

[EVAY]

I saw the thread and thought we would be talking about my time being a piece of was, fallin on a termite, who's chokin on a splinter, or a devils haircut.

??

[EVAY]

Why?

Do you relate?

Do I relate to what? To a popular American showing his backside to the world?

I relate to being a thoughtful American. As such, I am embarrassed when people who garner lots of attention in America and have lots of support for his positions makes such a complete ass of himself. It embarrasses me for the rest of us Americans who may be mistaken for people who think he has anything worthwhile to say.

Aren't you?

[ElNono]

The best you can do with ignorant people like Beck is the same thing you do with AIDS' threads: stop wasting your time paying attention to them.

[EVAY]

The best you can do with ignorant people like Beck is the same thing you do with AIDS' threads: stop wasting your time paying attention to them.

Fair enough and good advice.

I was just so shocked that I wanted to bring it to people's attention.

never mind.

[Wild Cobra]

Do I relate to what? To a popular American showing his backside to the world?

I relate to being a thoughtful American. As such, I am embarrassed when people who garner lots of attention in America and have lots of support for his positions makes such a complete ass of himself. It embarrasses me for the rest of us Americans who may be mistaken for people who think he has anything worthwhile to say.

Aren't you?
If I felt embarrassment for the things other people say and do in our free nation me, then I would always be embarrassed.

[Drachen]

??

Well he is a loser baby.

[Winehole23]

http://the912-project.com/2011/06/utah-launches-patriot-camp-in-july/

[boutons_deux]

Google "christian boot camp"

[EVAY]

http://the912-project.com/2011/06/utah-launches-patriot-camp-in-july/

I read this. I wish Beck had read before he opened his big mouth.

[Winehole23]

Opening his big mouth is what he does well.

[boutons_deux]

As if anybody but Glen BecKKKs devotees needed more evidence what a liar and slanderer BecKKK is:

Glenn Beck's 'Hitler Youth' Slur on Norway Victims Confuses WWII Sides

The young people who gathered at the camp on the Norwegian island of Utoya [4] were the opposite of Hitler Youth. In fact, they were the direct descendants, individually and ideologically, of the courageous young socialists who played such a vital role in the Norwegian resistance to the Nazis.

The campers who were attacked were members of the Norway’s Arbeidernes Ungdomsfylking (AUF), the Workers’ Youth League [5] that is the youth wing of the country’s social democratic Labour Party [6]. In the aftermath of World War II, the Oslo Trade Union Confederation purchased the island and given as a gift to the AUF in recognition of the sacrifices that young socialists had made in the struggle against fascism.

When Hitler’s Nazi armies invaded and occupied Norway in 1940, they banned the AUF and imprisoned its leader, Gunnar Sand. His successor as head of the AUF, Trygve Bratteli [7], led the Labour Party’s crisis committee following the Nazi invasion of Norway before his arrest by the Germans in 1942. Imprisoned in a series of concentration camps, he was liberated in April, 1945, Bratteli returned to Norway as a hero who led the AUF in the postwar years and eventually became Norway’s prime minister.

So Beck has got things exactly wrong with his reference to “Hitler Youth.”


http://www.thenation.com/print/blog/162287/glenn-becks-hitler-youth-slur-norway-victims-confuses-wwii-sides

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Of course, the ignorant bubbas and red-state sheeple will believe BecKKK as an excellent historical reference and consummate anti-socialist.

[cheguevara]

don't be embarrassed. nobody outside the US knows who that fat piece of shit is.

[EVAY]

don't be embarrassed. nobody outside the US knows who that fat piece of shit is.

From your lips to God's ears.

[Wild Cobra]

don't be embarrassed. nobody outside the US knows who that fat piece of shit is.
Doh...

They do now...

[Wild Cobra]

In all fairness to Beck, the camp is of the Socialist mindset. One that the liberals in the USA would probably like to send their kids to. It isn't just any camp, and I'm sure he doesn't oppose conservative minded camps.

[ChumpDumper]

In all fairness to Beck, the camp is of the Socialist mindset. One that the liberals in the USA would probably like to send their kids to. It isn't just any camp, and I'm sure he doesn't oppose conservative minded camps.In all fairness to Beck, it's nothing like a Hitler Youth camp and Beck was stupid to characterize it as such.

[Wild Cobra]

In all fairness to Beck, it's nothing like a Hitler Youth camp.
Do you know that as a fact? Can't you even give him the benefit of doubt that he might be right? Talk about fail, you state that as fact. You should leave open the possibility.

I wish I could read the language. I have looked and found several articles, but can't read them.

[ChumpDumper]

Do you know that as a fact? Can't you even give him the benefit of doubt that he might be right?No, he's wrong -- and he's lied enough about enough things to lose the benefit of doubt. It's a benefit to doubt him.
Talk about fail, you state that as fact. You should leave open the possibility.By your own definition, he's wrong.

You failed again and you don't even realize it.


I wish I could read the language. I have looked and found several articles, but can't read them.You're looking for Norwegian articles explaining how this was a Hitler Youth camp?

Good luck.

[boutons_deux]

"Can't you even give him the benefit of doubt that he might be right?"

BecKKK is a liar, slanderer, racist. Even Fox Repug Progaanda network and its ignorant bubba audience dropped him. Why should anybody give his slander the benefit of any doubt?

How do you know that BecKKK knows the socialist party summer camp does Nazi-like indoctrination?

Did you read: http://www.thenation.com/print/blog/162287/glenn-becks-hitler-youth-slur-norway-victims-confuses-wwii-sides

[Wild Cobra]

"Can't you even give him the benefit of doubt that he might be right?"

BecKKK is a liar, slanderer, racist. Even Fox Repug Progaanda network and its ignorant bubba audience dropped him. Why should anybody give his slander the benefit of any doubt?

I see.

You know this as fact...


How do you know that BecKKK knows the socialist party summer camp does Nazi-like indoctrination?

I never said that.


Did you read: http://www.thenation.com/print/blog/162287/glenn-becks-hitler-youth-slur-norway-victims-confuses-wwii-sides

Another one of your slanderous sources... Give me a break.

[LnGrrrR]

Do you know that as a fact? Can't you even give him the benefit of doubt that he might be right? Talk about fail, you state that as fact. You should leave open the possibility.

Just because something "might" be right doesn't mean we should give it the benefit of the doubt.

For instance, if I claimed I could make spaghetti blindfolded, using only my feet, you'd probably want some sort of proof before you'd give me the benefit of the doubt.

[Wild Cobra]

Just because something "might" be right doesn't mean we should give it the benefit of the doubt.
I agree. But to claim, as fact, that he is making it up...

For instance, if I claimed I could make spaghetti blindfolded, using only my feet, you'd probably want some sort of proof before you'd give me the benefit of the doubt.
Well...

I wouldn't eat it.

[ChumpDumper]

Another one of your slanderous sources... Give me a break.What specifically do you think is wrong in the article?

[Wild Cobra]

What specifically do you think is wrong in the article?
Stop being an intellectual asshole. I am not saying the article itself is false. That organization does have a history of putting out wrong information. My point is he is using it as a "factual" source to discredit Beck.

His information is every bit as partisan, and is not proof.

[LnGrrrR]

I agree. But to claim, as fact, that he is making it up...

It's shorthand. It would be quite stupid if we had to preface every opinion we had as, "I'm not sure this is fact, but"... when we didn't believe something.


Well...

I wouldn't eat it.

I would wash them beforehand, of course. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Stop being an intellectual asshole. I am not saying the article itself is false. That organization does have a history of putting out wrong information. My point is he is using it as a "factual" source to discredit Beck.

His information is every bit as partisan, and is not proof.
Do you know that as a fact? Can't you even give him the benefit of doubt that he might be right? Talk about fail, you state that as fact. You should leave open the possibility.

[xeromass]

Or in other words:

Why does Glenn Beck, self professed rodeo clown, with history of putting out wrong information get benefit of doubt, but The Nation "the oldest continuously published weekly magazine in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)" (via Wiki) doesn't?

Who's stupid troll here?

[RandomGuy]

Do you know that as a fact? Can't you even give him the benefit of doubt that he might be right? Talk about fail, you state that as fact. You should leave open the possibility.

I wish I could read the language. I have looked and found several articles, but can't read them.

Really? That's what you are going with?

"It could be like a Hitler Youth Camp for all we know".

"Its possible that a country of socialists would suddenly rise up and send their kids to fascist youth camps"

??? Really?

Give me the link. German is close enough to Norwegian that I can glimmer some meaning.

[Drachen]

Really? That's what you are going with?

"It could be like a Hitler Youth Camp for all we know".

"Its possible that a country of socialists would suddenly rise up and send their kids to fascist youth camps"

??? Really?

Give me the link. German is close enough to Norwegian that I can glimmer some meaning.

RG, sprichst du auch Deutsch?? Ich hatte keine Idee.

[RandomGuy]

RG, sprichst du auch Deutsch?? Ich hatte keine Idee.

Ich hab' mein Diplom auf Germanistik von UT bekommen. Lieder ist meine Deutsch ausgeroestet, aber uebe ich, wenn ich kann.

Not many accountants have undergrad degrees in German, but I went that route thinking I would go on to law school, originally. Still might go that route eventually.

[Wild Cobra]

Give me the link. German is close enough to Norwegian that I can glimmer some meaning.
Here's a couple. My history is very big today, and haven't found the others:

Arbeidernes Ungdomsfylking (http://auf.no/-/sandbox/show)

Utøya (http://home.online.no/~jon-o2/index.cfm)

Here's an article also:

Større AUF varsler kamp mot oljeboring i nord (http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/norsk-politikk/artikkel.php?artid=593267)

[ChumpDumper]

Isn't "Hitler" the same in Norwegian?

You'd think the kids would at least dress up like Hilter Youth.

Beck/WC response: "They're very clever."

[Drachen]

Ich hab' mein Diplom auf Germanistik von UT bekommen. Lieder ist meine Deutsch ausgeroestet, aber uebe ich, wenn ich kann.

Not many accountants have undergrad degrees in German, but I went that route thinking I would go on to law school, originally. Still might go that route eventually.

Ja, ich war Austauschueler im Schuljahr 96-97. Wie du, ich habe mein Deutsch verlernt in dem letzten 15 Jahren. Ich uebe auch wenn ich kann.

[RandomGuy]

Here's a couple. My history is very big today, and haven't found the others:

Arbeidernes Ungdomsfylking (http://auf.no/-/sandbox/show)

Utøya (http://home.online.no/~jon-o2/index.cfm)

Here's an article also:

Større AUF varsler kamp mot oljeboring i nord (http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/norsk-politikk/artikkel.php?artid=593267)

The first link appears to be the party's main site.

http://auf.no/-/page/show/utoya?sandbox_id=1063610

It still lists the itinerary of the youth get together. I understand a lot more than I thought I might.

Talks on international politics, soccer games, etc.


Politisk verksted
Gjennom hele uken kommer forskjellige personer med masse erfaring innen politikk for å snakke om ulike temaer. Så er du interessert i inkluderingsspørsmål, likestilling, miljø, skolepolitikk eller internasjonale saker – eller bare interessert i å lære hvordan man blir en god taler og debattant, så er Utøya det rette stedet for deg.

Inclusive(ness?), equality, environment (had to look that up), education politics, for those interested this should be a good time.

Roughly, my best guess, but that is close.

Hardly "Norway ueber alles".

[Drachen]

Last link:
Labour Party's youth organization AUF received a record number of members in 2009. The organization will use his strength to try to prevent the parent party is in favor of oil drilling in Lofoten and Vesterålen.
AUF now has the highest membership in the modern era. I do not think it's coincidental that it happens while the oil in the north is the most important environmental issue. The resistance is high among young people, and this should be a wakeup call for those who want oil drilling in Lofoten, said AUF leader Martin Henriksen.

He makes it clear that the AUF will make 2010 a kampår the oil in the north.

- We will not accept oil drilling, and together with the Nature and Youth and others make it impossible to open or impact study this area without any trouble, says AUF leader.

AUF was in 2009 9.540 members. Over the last two years there were around 1,500 new members, and membership has increased every year for the past six years.

[Drachen]

The middle link only seems to have a pic of the island, and the first link is blocked at work

Yes it is all familiar looking and yes I cheated.

[RandomGuy]

Here's a couple. My history is very big today, and haven't found the others:

Arbeidernes Ungdomsfylking (http://auf.no/-/sandbox/show)

Utøya (http://home.online.no/~jon-o2/index.cfm)

Here's an article also:

Større AUF varsler kamp mot oljeboring i nord (http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/norsk-politikk/artikkel.php?artid=593267)

Norwegian - detected to English translation

AUF now has the highest membership in the modern era. I do not think it's coincidental that it happens while the oil in the north is the most important environmental issue. The resistance is high among young people, and this should be a wakeup call for those who want oil drilling in Lofoten, said AUF leader Martin Henriksen.

He makes it clear that the AUF will make 2010 a kampår the oil in the north.

- We will not accept oil drilling, and together with the Nature and Youth and others make it impossible to open or impact study this area without any trouble, says AUF leader.

AUF was in 2009 9.540 members. Over the last two years there were around 1,500 new members, and membership has increased every year for the past six years.


Google translate got the second link fairly well.

Center left environmentalism.

Again, hardly a "Hitler Youth".

The biggest hole in that "it could be a Hitler Youth" is that the party does not have a cult of charisma based around a singular leader, from what I have read here and elsewhere. Kind of hard to have a Hitler Youth without the Hitler.

Sorry. Beck was, as we all know he was, talking out his ass.

You may have taken the Devil's Advocate role here, but sorry counselor, your case is weak.

[RandomGuy]

The first link appears to be the party's main site.

http://auf.no/-/page/show/utoya?sandbox_id=1063610

It still lists the itinerary of the youth get together. I understand a lot more than I thought I might.

Talks on international politics, soccer games, etc.



Inclusive(ness?), equality, environment (had to look that up), education politics, for those interested this should be a good time.

Roughly, my best guess, but that is close.

Hardly "Norway ueber alles".

Norwegian - detected to English translation


political yard
Throughout the week is different people with lots of experience in politics to talk about various topics. So are you interested in inclusion issues, gender equality, environment, education policy or international affairs - or just interested in learning how to become a good speaker and debater, then Utøya the right place for you.

Go Google translate. Thing seems to be pretty good.

[Drachen]

Norwegian - detected to English translation



Go Google translate. Thing seems to be pretty good.

GOOD SPEAKER!!! My GOD! HITLER was a good speaker!!!!!! HE WAS ALSO A MASTER DEBATER, HE WON EVERY TIME. HIS RETORT was always BANG!!!! You're dead!!!!!!

[DarrinS]

Beck and Olberman are from the same cloth.

[RandomGuy]

Beck and Olberman are from the same cloth.

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Beck and Olberman are from the same cloth.:lol

[cheguevara]

Do you know that as a fact? Can't you even give him the benefit of doubt that he might be right? Talk about fail, you state that as fact. You should leave open the possibility.


:lmao

retard

It's a fact that it's nothing like a Hitler camp because Hitler is fucking dead and has been for years.

It's like calling a summer basketball camp in 2080 a Tim Duncan camp after Duncan has been dead for 20 years. :lmao

[Viva Las Espuelas]

:lmao

retard

It's a fact that it's nothing like a Hitler camp because Hitler is fucking dead and has been for years.

It's like calling a summer basketball camp in 2080 a Tim Duncan camp after Duncan has been dead for 20 years. :lmao

Hmmm. I guess there's no more Marxists because Karl Marx is dead. <shrugs>

[Drachen]

:lmao

retard

It's a fact that it's nothing like a Hitler camp because Hitler is fucking dead and has been for years.

It's like calling a summer basketball camp in 2080 a Tim Duncan camp after Duncan has been dead for 20 years. :lmao

Yeah, I am sorry, this isnt very good.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

And he names himself over some stupid dead genocidal prick :lmao

[Wild Cobra]

Do you guys even know what Hitler was like before he became a mad-man?

[baseline bum]

Do you guys even know what Hitler was like before he became a mad-man?

He didn't trust black surgeons?

[Wild Cobra]

He didn't trust black surgeons?
Link.

[cheguevara]

Do you guys even know what Hitler was like before he became a mad-man?

From my research, he became a full blown mad-man somewhere during World War I. Before that he was just some poor half-mad bastard. what's your point?

[cheguevara]

Hmmm. I guess there's no more Marxists because Karl Marx is dead. <shrugs>

you are getting it. Marxists = an ideology. Hitler != ideology.

what beck should have said is Nazi Youth Camp. But then it would have sounded even more retarded.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I guess Hitler being a libertarian just threw everything off. Mea culpa.

[cheguevara]

I guess Hitler being a libertarian just threw everything off. Mea culpa.

now you are getting confused.

Libertarian != Hitler != Nazi

[baseline bum]

Link.

He wanted to shoot Jewish women and children to keep them out of his country?