The difference between Martial Arts and Fighting.

[xellos88330]

It is in my opinion that fighting and the practice of martial arts are two completely different things. The only thing that people can really bring back home with them from studying martial arts is the principles of human anatomy; i.e: This elbow joint isn't meant to bend this way. If it is bent like this, it will hurt.

As for the actual practice of these learned techniques, it is often more difficult than one initially understands it to be while engaged in a fight. I do not understand why a majority of martial artists believe they will win a fight just because they have a black belt or something similar.

Here is an example of what I mean: (this is from a movie I recently watched.)

o2VwnBU1-iU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2VwnBU1-iU


So fellow clubbers, what is your view of this subject?

[Cyrano]

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[ALVAREZ6]

cool story

[thispego]

How can you watch movies like that without triggering your PTSD, xellos?

[Wild Cobra]

anEuw8F8cpE
There's an interesting story behind that scene. Anyone know the link?

[Sisk]

How can you watch movies like that without triggering your PTSD, xellos?

Shouldn't you know these things without having to ask?

[BlackSwordsMan]

Let me get this right the OP is saying a dancer can beat a trained martial artist who takes kicks,punches,elbows,knees to various parts of the body on a daily basis and trains himself to push his body past a breaking a point of a normal human being incase said person is caught in a submission that would make a normal person tap? Makes sense.

[BlackSwordsMan]

this thread reminded me of this -- please watch took me like 10 mins to find it
i8UKDzVmzt8

[fraga]

Congratulations brah...you just beat up an 80 year old man...

[BlackSwordsMan]

Do you not understand the context of the video?

[BlackSwordsMan]

dumb fuck

[thispego]

Shouldn't you know these things without having to ask?

I'm asking for the less educated, such as yourself, I'm sure you're curious ya fuckin tool :lol

[Trainwreck2100]

There's an interesting story behind that scene. Anyone know the link?

harrison ford was sick didn't want to fight,said to spielberg "can't i just shoot him." Spielberg said "lol great idea"

the end

[koriwhat]

i like mma & i love boxing but i hate san antonio mma because no one trains the way they should. at that gym i was going to we'd have some mma people come in to train and they couldn't even hang with the 11 yr old's on situps and pushups, it was pretty pathetic. granted that gym is boss in sa as far as the limits they push you to become a fighter.

[symple19]

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wonder if a martial artist could knock the highlights off your faggoty head

[Libri]

this thread reminded me of this -- please watch took me like 10 mins to find it
i8UKDzVmzt8

Students: "Master, use the force!"
Kiai Master: "I'm trying dammit! Shit ain't working!"

[symple19]

i like mmgay

bet all the dudes love your "ground game"

[koriwhat]

bet all the dudes love your "ground game"

ok, maybe i should reword that to... i like muay thai and jujitsu, not necessarily everything about mma.

btw, i've never ever trained in any martial arts so i have no ground game. don't quit your day job homie, comedy definitely isn't your forte.

[Sisk]

I'm asking for the less educated, such as yourself, I'm sure you're curious ya fuckin tool :lol

Sure you were.

[GoodOdor]

ok, maybe i should reword that to... i like muay thai and jujitsu, not necessarily everything about mma.

btw, i've never ever trained in any martial arts so i have no ground game. don't quit your day job homie, comedy definitely isn't your forte.

If someone grabbed your dirty long hippy hair and pulled hard, what technique would you use to get away?

[koriwhat]

If someone grabbed your dirty long hippy hair and pulled hard, what technique would you use to get away?

punch them in their fuckin' gut and then when they flinch go up top and give them a couple jabs, then hopefully catch them off guard and hit them with a cross.

btw, they'd have to be real fast considering i keep my hair tied in a bun about 95% of the time.

[symple19]

btw, they'd have to be real fast considering i keep my hair tied in pigtails about 95% of the time.

[xellos88330]

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wonder if a martial artist could knock the highlights off your faggoty head

:lmao

Awww... did I hurt your widdle feewings? Poor baby. Cry some more bitch! I love it!!!

[xellos88330]

How can you watch movies like that without triggering your PTSD, xellos?

:lol

[symple19]

:lmao

don't laugh, it's a serious question

[wannabe Moderator]

i keep my hair tied in a bun about 95% of the time.


This could be the gayest post of the month.

Mouse I have a new Sig for you :lmao

[BlackSwordsMan]

Do you want hair in your mcdonalds burger? What's so funny?

[xellos88330]

don't laugh, it's a serious question

No he cannot knock the highlights out of my hair. He can kick me in the head, but won't knock the highlights out.

[symple19]

solid edit xellos, i'm impressed

[symple19]

No he cannot knock the highlights out of my hair. He can kick me in the head, but won't knock the highlights out.

:rollin:rollin


wow

[symple19]

Thanks for clearing that up

[BlackSwordsMan]

http://www.gina-carano.org/wp-content/gallery/gifs/3.gif

[xellos88330]

:rollin:rollin


wow

Well, it answered your question. :lol

[SnakeBoy]

this thread reminded me of this -- please watch took me like 10 mins to find it
i8UKDzVmzt8

That's fucked up. MMA dude should have let the old man keep his fantasies.

[xellos88330]

Thanks for clearing that up

I am in no way saying that a martial artist couldn't whoop my ass. What this thread is mostly about is the fact that many people use the fact that they know martial arts as a way to intimidate or impress.

I have taken numerous martial arts classes from Krav Maga, to Kuk Sool Won. They all seem to just repeat themselves. It is all basically stuff that you can learn in Anatomy classes. Well, training your body to be strong, flexible and fast was something else you can take from it aside from that.

A fight isn't a huge "if, then" scenario, but more of a "how" kind of thing. Thinking if he does this, then I will do this is always a terrible thing to do in a fight. You waste so much time planning everything and when it doesn't go according to how you envisioned it, you could very well be fucked.

[symple19]

^What the fuck are you babbling about? Are you pounding 4loko's again? Or has the hair dye seeped into your small, pea shaped brain?

Martial arts, emphasis on the word arts, is a choreographed discipline, while fighting is me taking a crowbar and smashing your face until it looks like goo.

Stop trying to think, you may hurt yourself

[thispego]

Sure you were.

dude why are you so threatened by people who are smarter than you?

[koriwhat]

Martial arts, emphasis on the word arts, is a choreographed discipline, while fighting is me taking a crowbar and smashing your face until it looks like goo.

tell that to someone training in muay thai... you'd get the shit kicked out of you for sure, exactly what you need anyhow.

[symple19]

drop that knowledge, KW. Tell us how it is

[BlackSwordsMan]

I am in no way saying that a martial artist couldn't whoop my ass. What this thread is mostly about is the fact that many people use the fact that they know martial arts as a way to intimidate or impress.

I have taken numerous martial arts classes from Krav Maga, to Kuk Sool Won. They all seem to just repeat themselves. It is all basically stuff that you can learn in Anatomy classes. Well, training your body to be strong, flexible and fast was something else you can take from it aside from that.

A fight isn't a huge "if, then" scenario, but more of a "how" kind of thing. Thinking if he does this, then I will do this is always a terrible thing to do in a fight. You waste so much time planning everything and when it doesn't go according to how you envisioned it, you could very well be fucked.
Why not try taking a legit martial arts and not this shit the jews invented to take away guns from the arabs? Like BJJ or muay thai.

[BlackSwordsMan]

the fuck is kuk sool won? I've never heard of any MMA guy with a background of kuk sool won.

[Sisk]

dude why are you so threatened by people who are smarter than you?

How's minimum wage going for you? The only poster you might have some intellectual edge over is mouse.

[koriwhat]

The only poster you might have some intellectual edge over is mouse.

:tu

[xellos88330]

^What the fuck are you babbling about? Are you pounding 4loko's again? Or has the hair dye seeped into your small, pea shaped brain?

Martial arts, emphasis on the word arts, is a choreographed discipline, while fighting is me taking a crowbar and smashing your face until it looks like goo.

Stop trying to think, you may hurt yourself

You just said the same thing I have been trying to explain. Just better word choice. :lol

And, I will have to be already drunk to have another one of those 4Lokos. The hair dye, maybe. :lol

[xellos88330]

the fuck is kuk sool won? I've never heard of any MMA guy with a background of kuk sool won.

It isn't an MMA kind of thing. Kuk Sool Won is rather new on the martial arts scene. It is an obscure (by other Martial arts standards) korean discipline.

[BlackSwordsMan]

If you're not trained in muay thai/wrestling/bjj you're not gonna win against an mma fighter.
Closet that MMA has to diversity besides those main three is karate which got one fighter a couple of wins until people figured out his gimmicky shit and a couple of judo dudes.

[I am Tom]

Do you want hair in your mcdonalds burger? What's so funny?

:lmao

[thispego]

How's minimum wage going for you? The only poster you might have some intellectual edge over is mouse.

:lol why you so jealous brah? I should have never revealed my situation on here, now all the haters that already hated me hate me even more :lmao bro, don't hate me cause I'm better off than you. I probably just paid a lot more dues than you have.

[DarkReign]

i like mma & i love boxing but i hate san antonio mma because no one trains the way they should. at that gym i was going to we'd have some mma people come in to train and they couldn't even hang with the 11 yr old's on situps and pushups, it was pretty pathetic. granted that gym is boss in sa as far as the limits they push you to become a fighter.

http://detnews.com/article/20110722/OPINION03/107220330/Writer-lives-%28barely%29-to-tell-of-MMA-workout

Watch the video in the link.

[koriwhat]

http://detnews.com/article/20110722/OPINION03/107220330/Writer-lives-%28barely%29-to-tell-of-MMA-workout

Watch the video in the link.

i know they train hard but the ones that came into the gym i was at couldn't hang with us at all... granted, that gym is a total sauna and the workout's there are insane!

[DarkReign]

i know they train hard but the ones that came into the gym i was at couldn't hang with us at all... granted, that gym is a total sauna and the workout's there are insane!

Then the MMA guys who were being brought in were amateur at best. The writer in that video is a 3 time marathon runner.

He didnt make it 18 minutes with a pro MMA gym.

[koriwhat]

ok i finally watched that video... what a pussy!

do that times 10 for 3 hrs, 6 days a week. 3 mins jump roping, seriously? try 4 rounds @ 12 mins straight with no breaks in between, so more like 14 mins straight, plus a shit load of other workouts and sparring. shit was intense, i threw up quite a few times in the beginning when i first started and i'm sure i'd instantly throw up again if i walk into that gym today. at 100+ degrees in the gym, plus working out for 3 hrs and sparring, you're about dead come time to leave.

[I. Hustle]

http://bigstickcombat.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/bruce-lee.jpg

[koriwhat]

wish that dude didn't pass at such an early age... what could've been...

[I. Hustle]

:lol why you so jealous brah? I should have never revealed my situation on here, now all the haters that already hated me hate me even more :lmao bro, don't hate me cause I'm better off than you. I probably just paid a lot more dues than you have.

I don't hate you brother.

[DarkReign]

ok i finally watched that video... what a pussy!

do that times 10 for 3 hrs, 6 days a week. 3 mins jump roping, seriously? try 4 rounds @ 12 mins straight with no breaks in between, so more like 14 mins straight, plus a shit load of other workouts and sparring. shit was intense, i threw up quite a few times in the beginning when i first started and i'm sure i'd instantly throw up again if i walk into that gym today. at 100+ degrees in the gym, plus working out for 3 hrs and sparring, you're about dead come time to leave.

How can he be a pussy when he didnt throw up?

The point was/is this, MMA workouts kick your ass. Unless youre a) a pro athlete in some capacity or b) have only grown accustomed to the workout through blood and sweat over time, the workout is going to fuck you up.

A marathon runner is just that. A distance runner. Not a power-lifter, a sprinter or even used to explosive, high intensity workouts. The writer is in great shape by any measure, he's just not in the same kind of shape required to compete.

Also, I dont know if the trainer/fighter was trying to make the buy feel better or anything, but even he was saying "This is where everyone else either pukes or quits" (to paraphrase).

Meaning, I am quite sure you (or me, for that matter) would either puke or quit going through this routine at some point. Unless of course you think you are in better shape than a guy who can run 26 miles straight consistently.

[koriwhat]

Meaning, I am quite sure you (or me, for that matter) would either puke or quit going through this routine at some point. Unless of course you think you are in better shape than a guy who can run 26 miles straight consistently.

had i stuck with the gym i was at... i most def could hack that 18 min workout and more in that video. that shit was like 2% of the workout that i had to endure 6 days a week, 3 hrs a day. i wish i could've stuck with that gym but when i went back to school the gym took a backseat, plus driving damn near an hr (round trip) to and from the gym 6 days a week was killing my wallet.

[Blake]

what a pussy!

i'm sure i'd instantly throw up again if i walk into that gym today.

lmao

[koriwhat]

lmao

http://crossdresserplayground.com/sissyboy/cuckold-tease-3.jpg

[Blake]

I'm sure girls would instantly throw up seeing you with your jorts down.

[koriwhat]

I'm sure girls would instantly throw up seeing you with your jorts down.

and i'm sure you threw up plenty of time thinking about your girl in the next room getting pounded in the ass by some big ol' black dude while you cried your little eyes out on the living room couch.

[ALVAREZ6]

Then the MMA guys who were being brought in were amateur at best. The writer in that video is a 3 time marathon runner.

He didnt make it 18 minutes with a pro MMA gym.



That dude is a straight pussy. The part with the resistance band where he had to push forward and the jumping over the yellow rope was hard to watch, dude was such a pathetic bitch. He must have been in pretty piss poor shape at the time for a marathon runner to struggle that hard with that resistance harness after only a jump rope warm-up, a few suicide sprints, and some push-ups...really was tough to watch.

[ALVAREZ6]

ok i finally watched that video... what a pussy!

do that times 10 for 3 hrs, 6 days a week. 3 mins jump roping, seriously? try 4 rounds @ 12 mins straight with no breaks in between, so more like 14 mins straight, plus a shit load of other workouts and sparring. shit was intense, i threw up quite a few times in the beginning when i first started and i'm sure i'd instantly throw up again if i walk into that gym today. at 100+ degrees in the gym, plus working out for 3 hrs and sparring, you're about dead come time to leave.

Well yeah no shit....even the fittest man on Earth would be dead after 3 hours of intense training in 100+ heat. That shit is seriously dangerous and if you aren't exaggerating (since your post wreaks of exaggeration), I'd be surprised to hear that no one has ever died in that gym.

[thispego]

I don't hate you brother.

Aggy 'Jizz Jar' Sisk does

[thispego]

and it's unwarranted.

[cantthinkofanything]

Aggy 'Jizz Jar' Sisk does

That's a horrible nick name.

[Blake]

and i'm sure you threw up plenty of time thinking about your girl in the next room getting pounded in the ass by some big ol' black dude while you cried your little eyes out on the living room couch.

if that really went down as you said, I might have.

unfortunately for you, calf tats happened.

I'm sure a few posters have thrown up from laughing so hard at those things.

[ManuBalboa]

Can't wait to have a son and force him to train BJJ/Judo/Wrestling at the age of 1 1/2.

[koriwhat]

Well yeah no shit....even the fittest man on Earth would be dead after 3 hours of intense training in 100+ heat. That shit is seriously dangerous and if you aren't exaggerating (since your post wreaks of exaggeration), I'd be surprised to hear that no one has ever died in that gym.

i have yet to lie to any of yall... what the fuck is it with you internet people always trying to claim otherwise?

exaggeration, whatever man, think what you want.

[thispego]

That's a horrible nick name.

no one cares what you think, unfortunately

[koriwhat]

if that really went down as you said, I might have.

unfortunately for you, calf tats happened.

I'm sure a few posters have thrown up from laughing so hard at those things.

seems to me that any comment about you crying your eyes out on the living room couch strikes a nerve with you... poor little faggot having to endure the fact that his pseudo gf is getting plowed in the other room by a real man.

[koriwhat]

no one cares what you think, unfortunately

same goes for you thispedo

[xellos88330]

If you're not trained in muay thai/wrestling/bjj you're not gonna win against an mma fighter.
Closet that MMA has to diversity besides those main three is karate which got one fighter a couple of wins until people figured out his gimmicky shit and a couple of judo dudes.

Well yea. MMA is handled in a confined space. Kinda hard to keep your distance in there. The shape of the ring also makes it harder to keep yourself in a position to not be cornered. MMA favors grapplers. In the real world it is easier to not get backed into a corner because well, there isn't a corner there. If someone lunges at you, you are free to move back if you are fast enough to get away from it. I am not saying that ALL fights take place in wide open spaces, just a good deal of the places are much bigger than an MMA ring.

[thispego]

same goes for you thispedo

Wrong. Too many people care what I think around here :lol

[JimmyCrackCorn]

Wrong. Too many people care what I think around here :lol

Well......jimmy crack corn and I don't care.

[thispego]

rofl

[pawe]

The difference is a martial artist will not remember the techniques they practice when a 6'3 210lb guy is coming straight for their face.

It's the survival instinct and how tough you trained your chin to withstand a punch to the jaw is the only thing that matters. < this is what a fighter does.

[Blake]

seems to me that any comment about you crying your eyes out on the living room couch strikes a nerve with you... poor little faggot having to endure the fact that his pseudo gf is getting plowed in the other room by a real man.

:cry i have yet to lie to any of yall... what the fuck is it with you internet people always trying to claim otherwise?

exaggeration, whatever man, think what you want.:cry

[DeadlyDynasty]

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wonder if a martial artist could knock the highlights off your faggoty head

that pic never gets old :rollin

[thispego]

is that real life?

[GoodOdor]

is that real life?

Definitely gives your overbite, 4 eyed mouthbreathing picture a run for its money, huh?

[Rip-Hamilton32]

I've taken Muay Thai for 5 days a week for 3 years now and too say that some bum who has no experience is going to be able to properly defend himself is just stupid. If i were to kick you in the shin you would probably drop like a girl, I'm not trying to act tough its just my shins are solid and yours are jelly. I'm not even going to go into the rest like clinching or striking.


http://www.youtube.com/user/hmtmma#p/u/1/Y5hb85B1wXE

My instructor in his prime hes close to 60 now but his shin is made of concrete and is still in great condition.

[pawe]

I've taken Muay Thai for 5 days a week for 3 years now and too say that some bum who has no experience is going to be able to properly defend himself is just stupid. If i were to kick you in the shin you would probably drop like a girl, I'm not trying to act tough its just my shins are solid and yours are jelly. I'm not even going to go into the rest like clinching or striking.


http://www.youtube.com/user/hmtmma#p/u/1/Y5hb85B1wXE

My instructor in his prime hes close to 60 now but his shin is made of concrete and is still in great condition.

LOL kicking the shin. That's like a little girl's go to move.

[koriwhat]

:cry i have yet to lie to any of yall... what the fuck is it with you internet people always trying to claim otherwise?

exaggeration, whatever man, think what you want.:cry

:cry this couch is stiff and i can't stand hearing my gf in the other room moaning and groaning because she's getting some real dick from a real man and not a cuckold like myself, blake. :cry


LOL kicking the shin. That's like a little girl's go to move.

little girl's move? hahaha... there's no rules in a fight on the street, just win.

[Blake]

:cry this couch is stiff and i can't stand hearing my gf in the other room moaning and groaning because she's getting some real dick from a real man and not a cuckold like myself, blake. :cry


you're such a fool, does it hurt knowing you're a complete and utter pos who has the iq of a fuckin' 10 yr old? i think i'm being too nice when i say that.

tbh, you're cracking me up with this post and the way you try to crack one lame joke after another... don't quit your day job! oh wait, you don't have one, right? i mean, no self respecting ceo wants to hire some old dude whose resume includes dumpster diving, trolling ST, fixing outdated packard bell's in order to use bryce3d and make shit "art", cracks jokes that only humors his fat ass, or the less cool ron jeremy.

[koriwhat]

:cry this couch is stiff and i can't stand hearing my gf in the other room moaning and groaning because she's getting some real dick from a real man and not a cuckold like myself, blake. :cry

[Blake]

:cry this couch is stiff and i can't stand hearing my gf in the other room moaning and groaning because she's getting some real dick from a real man and not a cuckold like myself, blake. :cry

you're a fag, they're a fag, everyone's a fag fag.

i don't degrade women's "sports", just that crock of shit wnba.

and yes, tattooing a black dude is going to be crazy, it's totally different than tattooing a white dude, a mexican, etc... you just don't understand and i don't expect you to. you're basing your assumptions off your own ignorance. stay dumb, dumbfuck!

[koriwhat]

:cry this couch is stiff and i can't stand hearing my gf in the other room moaning and groaning because she's getting some real dick from a real man and not a cuckold like myself, blake. :cry

[Cane]

Slightly OT but this is pretty bad ass for an umbrella, shame it hardly rains in TX:

bO8G5zsQohg

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

I've taken Muay Thai for 5 days a week for 3 years now and too say that some bum who has no experience is going to be able to properly defend himself is just stupid. If i were to kick you in the shin you would probably drop like a girl, I'm not trying to act tough its just my shins are solid and yours are jelly. I'm not even going to go into the rest like clinching or striking.


http://www.youtube.com/user/hmtmma#p/u/1/Y5hb85B1wXE

My instructor in his prime hes close to 60 now but his shin is made of concrete and is still in great condition.

i went to muay thai last night at the pit and we basically worked the clinch for the entire hour. my neck is feelin it today, not to mention the rash and scratches from the wraps.

[leemajors]

i went to muay thai last night at the pit and we basically worked the clinch for the entire hour. my neck is feelin it today, not to mention the rash and scratches from the wraps.

make sure and pick up some staph

[atxbuttknocker]

make sure and pick up some staph

GPIA. Take it from me; you wouldn't believe all the kind of diseases you can pick up from full mounting around with those fellas! Thats why I always pack protection when I'm planning to be grappling mma style with some young hardbodies!

[ALVAREZ6]

Slightly OT but this is pretty bad ass for an umbrella, shame it hardly rains in TX:

bO8G5zsQohg

lmao that thing is bad ass

[spursncowboys]

Can't wait to have a son and force him to train BJJ/Judo/Wrestling at the age of 1 1/2.
They have some great programs for 3+. It's great for girls too

[Sportcamper]

Martial Arts is for the majority of people on the internet…Guys that did not go out for the team & at age 40 they are trying to prove that they are tough & have what it takes…These folks are pit bull owners…Fighting AKA Boxers are guys who did not settle for just playing the radio when they were in High School…They went out for the team & excelled in sports...Today at age 40 they own Golden Retrievers, ride bicycles and are good fathers to their children…They make good coaches…They already had their day and they are great at encouraging boys & girls to be the best that can be…:tu

[IWantsACuatro]

Damn I remember when symple19 went from nicest poster on the site to complete asshole in one month then stopped posting all together. Wonder what happened to him, tbh?

[Headon]

Are they not both fighting?