AZ Cardinals finally get their QB [Archive]

DUNCANownsKOBE

07-28-2011, 05:48 PM

I think the difference between Kolb and Hall/Anderson, and the new defensive coordinator and Billy Davis, is more than the 2 games they were away from being tied for the division lead.

IMO they still need a new corner, a new free safety, and a playmaking ILB. Rhodes is a good individual player but a horrible fit next to Adrian Wilson. I am fully confident PP7 is a #1 corner and future probowler, Toler would be a solid nickel corner, they need a legit #2 corner. At ILB they have solid role players who aren't liabilities, but a good 3-4 needs a playmaker at ILB.

pawe

07-28-2011, 05:58 PM

The new DC is a cornerback specialist so PP7 will definitely be a future pro-bowler.

They lost Breaston but are targeting Floyd.

Rhodes, Wilson, PP7, DD, Washington, Campbell <<pretty good defense right there.

Plus they have money and can still sign players that were cut...like old guy clements from the 49ers

DUNCANownsKOBE

07-28-2011, 06:03 PM

I'm still pissed Whiz refuses to get an established OC and DC but rather continues to suck Steeler chode. If they don't make the playoffs this season he should be fired.

pawe

07-28-2011, 06:19 PM

If they don't make the playoffs this season he should be fired.

Agreed.
If they wont accomplish anything this year, it will only validate the fact that Warner carried his ass.

Bill_Brasky

07-28-2011, 08:53 PM

Damn they shelled out a lot to him.....hope he pays off for you guys.....

pawe

07-29-2011, 11:04 AM

Damn they shelled out a lot to him.....hope he pays off for you guys.....

If the trade for Kolb makes Fitz sign an extension then Kolb already did his part.
Card's backup QBs are pathetic and if they dont shore up the O-line, Kolb will be maimed by the 4th week.

Hooks

07-29-2011, 07:18 PM

Lmao, Kolb fucking sucks, what the fuck were the Cards thinking?

He can't handle pressure for shit, he panics like crazy when he doesn't have all day to throw in the pocket and winds up either getting sacked for a big loss (he runs back for some reason), throwing a poor pass, or throwing an INT.

He can't be compared to Schaub either, they're nothing alike. Kolb has a really weak arm, unlike Schaub who's got a monster arm. There were so many times last season where Kolb would try to complete like a 20-30 yard pass down field and it'd wind up going over his receivers heads/off target/under thrown. The only time he's done any good were against bad defenses as well. He's pretty good with throwing short passes to his RB/FB (Which he did A LOT of). It's not like he was playing with a bunch of scrubs either, dude was throwing to D-Jax who'd turn a regular 4 yard catch into a TD, Maclin who's a very good receiver, McCoy who's one of the best young RB's in the NFL both rushing and receiving, and finally one of the best TE's in the NFL-Celek.

His receivers were wide open most of the time, he rarely had to make a tight pass.

His O-Line also played outstanding while he was playing, GREAT pass protection, he had all day long to throw against pretty much whoever he played. Of course they couldn't block Matthews though.

So basically what I'm saying is that Kolb had EVERYTHING going good for him, his defense was playing well, great blocking from the O-line, WIDE open receivers, a good running game, one of the best offenses in the NFL etc. It was one of those situations where almost any QB in the NFL could thrive. It was later on in the season when the Eagles' O-Line started playing like shit, a lot of injuries started happening, the Eagles started playing tougher defenses etc.

Vick was playing out of his mind, it was easily one of the best regular season performances by a QB in the history of the NFL. There were so many plays last year where he'd have less than 3 secs to throw, he'd juke a whole bunch of guys and turn a play that would've been a sack into a TD or a big gain.

pawe

07-29-2011, 07:30 PM

Lmao, Kolb fucking sucks, what the fuck were the Cards thinking?

He can't handle pressure for shit, he panics like crazy when he doesn't have all day to throw in the pocket and winds up either getting sacked for a big loss (he runs back for some reason), throwing a poor pass, or throwing an INT.

He can't be compared to Schaub either, they're nothing alike. Kolb has a really weak arm, unlike Schaub who's got a monster arm. There were so many times last season where Kolb would try to complete like a 20-30 yard pass down field and it'd wind up going over his receivers heads/off target/under thrown. The only time he's done any good were against bad defenses as well. He's pretty good with throwing short passes to his RB/FB (Which he did A LOT of). It's not like he was playing with a bunch of scrubs either, dude was throwing to D-Jax who'd turn a regular 4 yard catch into a TD, Maclin who's a very good receiver, McCoy who's one of the best young RB's in the NFL both rushing and receiving, and finally one of the best TE's in the NFL-Celek.

His receivers were wide open most of the time, he rarely had to make a tight pass.

His O-Line also played outstanding while he was playing, GREAT pass protection, he had all day long to throw against pretty much whoever he played. Of course they couldn't block Matthews though.

I didnt really get to see Kolb play with the eagles but if the Cards went after him instead of a much cheaper and proven Orton then I think they are onto something. I mean, Im just a fan and Cardinal talent scouts do this for a living so I'll trust the FO.

Hooks

07-29-2011, 07:45 PM

I didnt really get to see Kolb play with the eagles but if the Cards went after him instead of a much cheaper and proven Orton then I think they are onto something. I mean, Im just a fan and Cardinal talent scouts do this for a living so I'll trust the FO.

I think they bought into his hype.

The way I determine how good of a QB a guy is, is by paying attention to the types of throws they make, how open their receivers are and how good their receivers are, how they handle being rushed and making throws under pressure etc. Pretty much what kind of situation they're in.

I mean just look at Brady last year, he was named MVP. But if you watched his games last year you'd have seen he had ALL day long behind that line, whereas someone like Vick or Rodgers would only have a split second to make a pass. Brady was making very simple short passes to guys like Woodhead and Welker, even when they had Moss, these guys would be wide open, they're one of the best coached teams in the NFL both on offense and defense. Meanwhile Vick would be dodging guys left and right, escaping the clutches of DE's and LB's and making a difficult down field throw for a TD.

Once Brady was finally pressured he went from a guy that was MVP to a guy that looked just average out there.

pawe

07-30-2011, 11:02 AM

PP7 and his agent might hold out.
These two idiots know he's gonna be the #1 CB and is just milking it. I dont even know what to hold out for? They have a set payscale. Just tell your dumbass agent to shut the fuck up already.

Agents are starting to piss me off...specially that asshole Rosenhaus.

DUNCANownsKOBE

07-30-2011, 11:41 AM

The amount of Cardinals fans crying about this trade is stupid. My one complaint is the massive contract Kolb hasn't earned, but they needed to pay him to ensure he doesn't leave after 1 year. It's also a cause for concern that of every Kolb highlight I've seen, he's throwing with perfect pass protection in a pocket that requires 0 ability to buy time. They gave up a lazy corner who was only gonna be motivated by a change of scenery and swapped 2nd round picks.

I woulda preferred they trade for Orton since they woulda given up less for a more proven QB who's had experience throwing with bad pass protection, but they needed to get either Kolb, Orton or McNabb since those were the best 3 options (don't include Palmer since Cinci isn't trading him) and they did. Now it's time for Whisenhunt to prove he and his coaching staff full of assistants the Steelers didn't feel were worth keeping that he decided to hire over coaches like Rob Ryan or Tom Cable are capable of winning without a HOF QB.

symple19

07-30-2011, 12:17 PM

ALVAREZ6

07-30-2011, 12:52 PM

I'm not up to date with NFL contracts in general, but 5 years and $63 million seems a lot for Kolb...he's an unproven QB, he's not a scrub but nothing remotely special. Not a game changer, he'll usually make the right play but doesn't make too many huge plays. Is it because he's a QB that his contract is relatively large (Nnamdi just got the same contract but $3 million less), and that the Cards needed one?

pawe

08-06-2011, 06:28 PM

Not good. ADub injured in practice per PP7 tweet:

ThE_rEaL_P2 What a great practice today, but I will need everyone on twitter to keep my big bro @adrian_wilson24 in their prayers THANKS. #teampeterson

DUNCANownsKOBE

08-06-2011, 07:08 PM

IMO they still need a new corner
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a new free safety
Still a need unless Adrian Wilson returns to form and doesn't need a coverage specialist next to him which is in doubt after PP7's tweet

and a playmaking ILB
Hopefully that's what Stewart Bradley is.

defense = staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacked

Seriously tho, a a new left tackle, a semi-decent #2 receiver and the NFC west is there's.

pawe

08-06-2011, 08:34 PM

People at the camp are saying ADub has torn biceps. Still waiting for the MRI though. Damn if it's true, that's gonna be months to heal and a major blow on the staaacked defense.

- I think FO is content with the tackle with Brown, Bridges and Keith. Colledge will be the new LG.

pawe

08-07-2011, 12:32 AM

Man, sounds like adub is hurt real bad. Hope its not a season ender.
http://mobile.twitter.com/adrian_wilson24/status/100042776745488385

pawe

08-12-2011, 10:34 AM

Beanie Wells and Ryan Williams, damn! One for downhill power run, the other for speed and cutbacks. Good combo!

...And Max Hall with the preseason moxie 4/4 2 minute drive. :elephant:elephant:elephant:elephant:elephant

ginobili's bald spot

08-12-2011, 07:36 PM

Hopefully that's what Stewart Bradley is.

Bradley is pretty good. The problem is, there is a 100% chance he will go down with a season ending injury at some point. It got extremely frustrating after a while.

pawe

08-12-2011, 08:03 PM

Everyone's already getting injured left and right. Fuck that lockout! They werent able to get good conditioning and now we all have to watch an injury riddled football season.

JMarkJohns

08-20-2011, 08:59 PM

And, after committing to a young QB with potential, not surprisingly, the Cardinals also retain their WR.

8 years, 120 overall, 50 guaranteed... Fitz under contract from now through age 35 and year 2018.

pawe

08-22-2011, 11:26 AM

RB Ryan Williams is out for the year.
I feel bad for the rookie, he was already challenging Beanie Wells for the starting spot this early.

Blake

08-23-2011, 09:25 AM

not surprisingly, the Cardinals also retain their WR.

8 years, 120 overall, 50 guaranteed... Fitz under contract from now through age 35 and year 2018.

Hard to believe this day and age that GMs get such hard ons for wide receivers

pawe

08-23-2011, 10:36 AM

Diff case for AZ. Fitzgerald has to be paid the money because if you lose him, you lose the fans. He even has the power to suggest which people to sign and he probably was the one who asked the FO to get Kolb instead of getting other cheaper FA qbs.
...And Michael Bidwill is not cheap like his father.

I hope this deal will fuck up the Eagles and Titans and overpay D Jackson and Chris Johnson.

DUNCANownsKOBE

08-23-2011, 10:43 AM

Yeah exactly^. Anyone who thinks it's as simple as "You don't pay a WR that much money" doesn't understand the situation. Michael Bidwill inherited a 20 year history of cheapness and losing he needs to do everything in his power to put behind the Cardinals. Fitzgerald knew how much leverage he had and like any good businessman used it to get paid. They had two options, let Fitz leave or overpay him, the latter was a MUCH better option.

Compare Bidwill's decision to Robert Sarver. Since Amare himself wasn't worth a fully guaranteed max contract, Sarver thought it was that simple and let Amare leave. He didn't think about the fact there weren't any better options out there and he didn't think about how the fuck the Suns would remain good/relevant if he let Amare leave rather than overpay Amare. It's not like Bidwill coulda signed Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers but instead chose Fitzgerald.

Blake

08-23-2011, 12:32 PM

Losing games loses fans.

This deal sets up losing for the next five years at least.

Blake

08-23-2011, 12:36 PM

The position of wide receiver in the nfl is not even in the same galaxy of importance as pf in the nba

JMarkJohns

08-23-2011, 12:38 PM

Losing games loses fans.

This deal sets up losing for the next five years at least.

Not really. The division is weak, so with a solid offense and defense, they'll be competitive. Maybe towards the end, but who can foresee that far. Plus it's the NFL, so a restructured deal is always a likelihood in the event the production no longer justifies the contract.

What this does is undoes the message that last offseason helped to refoster, that Arizona will resign its proven players. After Dansby and Rolle were allowed to leave, with Boldin shipped out, and with a team payroll 20+ million under the CAP, the notion of the Cardinals being the same ol' cheapskate Cardinals entered the consciousness. This deal, coupled with Kolb shows a commitment not seen last offseason. Arizona still has weaknesses, which will be limited in being filled by the two signings, but it's crucial to have a young QB with potential and the face of your franchise.

pawe

08-23-2011, 01:07 PM

The position of wide receiver in the nfl is not even in the same galaxy of importance as pf in the nba

It really depends on your team and how they scheme.
For a passing team like the Cards, Fitz may only get 7-10 catches, may not sound a lot considering his price but it opens up the whole field. TEs gets open, y and z WRs gets open, even the running game benefits too because the defense will focus more on trying to stop the pass.

Only elite WRs can command this much attention though elites like Fitz and Andre Johnson.

pawe

08-23-2011, 01:13 PM

Losing games loses fans.

This deal sets up losing for the next five years at least.

Fitz and Kolb's salary were frontloaded. With the amount of good draft picks by the cards and the older FAs they signed, they can still sign good FAs in 3-4 yrs from now.

And who knows what the value of WRs will be next year or 2 yrs from now. Im sure as hell Fitzgerald will not be the highest paid WR for long.

DUNCANownsKOBE

08-23-2011, 04:11 PM

The position of wide receiver in the nfl is not even in the same galaxy of importance as pf in the nba
The WR position isn't important if you have Tom Brady or Peyton Manning at QB. When you have shit at QB and need to hope a career backup pans out, You need all the help you can get at receiver.

I'd love to hear who they shoulda signed instead of Fitz.

DUNCANownsKOBE

08-23-2011, 04:12 PM

Losing games loses fans.

This deal sets up losing for the next five years at least.
:lmao:lmao right and I'm sure the fucking Arizona Cardinals woulda been winning for the next 5 years if they let their best player in franchise history leave.

Blake

08-23-2011, 04:27 PM

Not really. The division is weak, so with a solid offense and defense.

Arizona still has weaknesses, which will be limited in being filled by the two signings

do they have a solid defense right now or not?

seems to me that a 5-11 record says no.

but it's crucial to have a young QB with potential and the face of your franchise.

I agree that QB is absolutely crucial.

WR is not.

With as many productive WRs out there you can get on the cheap, there's no reason to overspend and mortgage some of your future on a guy that touches the ball 5-8 times a game.

DUNCANownsKOBE

08-23-2011, 04:30 PM

With as many productive WRs out there you can get on the cheap
Name some of these productive receivers the Arizona Cardinals could have gotten cheap.

DUNCANownsKOBE

08-23-2011, 04:31 PM

do they have a solid defense right now or not?

seems to me that a 5-11 record says no.
Their offense was so bad last year and their defensive coordinator was such a moron it's hard to say what their defense is. When you're on the field 2/3rds of the game and start off defending you're own territory, it's hard to play well.

Blake

08-23-2011, 04:34 PM

It really depends on your team and how they scheme.
For a passing team like the Cards, Fitz may only get 7-10 catches, may not sound a lot considering his price but it opens up the whole field. TEs gets open, y and z WRs gets open, even the running game benefits too because the defense will focus more on trying to stop the pass.

Only elite WRs can command this much attention though elites like Fitz and Andre Johnson.

most Super Bowl teams have gotten there without elite WRs.

They are nice to have but paying that much for guys like Fitz or Marshall is just stupid.

DUNCANownsKOBE

08-23-2011, 04:36 PM

Most superbowl teams have elite QBs. If you don't have an elite QB in today's NFL you need a stud receiver. Most likely it wouldn't even matter tho since elite QBs are kinda must regardless what else you have.

Blake

08-23-2011, 04:37 PM

:lmao:lmao right and I'm sure the fucking Arizona Cardinals woulda been winning for the next 5 years if they let their best player in franchise history leave.

dunno if they woulda been winning or not without Fitz.

I do know now they won't win shit for the next 5.

But at least you can wear your Fitz jert with pride.

DUNCANownsKOBE

08-23-2011, 04:39 PM

dunno if they woulda been winning or not without Fitz.

I do know now they won't win shit for the next 5.
:lol, so they woulda had a better shot at winning a superbowl in the next 5 years if they let Fitz leave?

I'd love to hear how that works. Still waiting on better options they had.

Blake

08-23-2011, 04:41 PM

Name some of these productive receivers the Arizona Cardinals could have gotten cheap.

I don't know who exactly they could get this particular year off the top of my head.

I do know with that kind of money in the next couple of years, there will be several average-above average WRs that would be available plus room to get some help on D.

Blake

08-23-2011, 04:41 PM

:lol, so they woulda had a better shot at winning a superbowl in the next 5 years if they let Fitz leave?

hell yes, imo.

DUNCANownsKOBE

08-23-2011, 04:42 PM

I don't know who
Yeah that's what I thought.

Blake

08-23-2011, 04:43 PM

Blake

08-23-2011, 04:43 PM

Yeah that's what I thought.

I don't know who exactly they could get this particular year off the top of my head.

I do know with that kind of money in the next couple of years, there will be several average-above average WRs that would be available plus room to get some help on D.

DUNCANownsKOBE

08-23-2011, 04:45 PM

how many times has a team won a Super Bowl with an elite WR and a non-elite QB?
You can't go by history when the recent NFL is unlike anything else. You don't even need a good running game or good offensive line anymore, if you don't have a good pass offense you have no shot. When you don't have an elite QB, the only way you can have a good passing offense is surrounding a QB like Kolb with play making receivers. It's a really simple concept you're not getting.

Blake

08-23-2011, 04:45 PM

:lol, so they woulda had a better shot at winning a superbowl in the next 5 years if they let Fitz leave?

I'd love to hear how that works. Still waiting on better options they had.

Fitz contract will be tying up some cap space.

Limiting your future options on a WR is stupid.

DUNCANownsKOBE

08-23-2011, 04:46 PM

I do know with that kind of money in the next couple of years, there will be several average-above average WRs that would be available plus room to get some help on D.
None of which would have had any interest in signing with Arizona after they just got criticized for being cheap with their best player ever and letting him leave.

Blake

08-23-2011, 04:47 PM

You can't go by history when the recent NFL is unlike anything else. You don't even need a good running game or good offensive line anymore, if you don't have a good pass offense you have no shot. When you don't have an elite QB, the only way you can have a good passing offense is surrounding a QB like Kolb with play making receivers. It's a really simple concept you're not getting.

in the most recent of NFL histories, when has a team won or even gotten to a SB with a non-elite QB + elite WR?

DUNCANownsKOBE

08-23-2011, 04:47 PM

Fitz contract will be tying up some cap space.

A front loaded contract will tie up less cap space every year. I also didn't know the Cardinals were a team that ever came close to going over the cap.

Blake

08-23-2011, 04:48 PM

None of which would have had any interest in signing with Arizona after they just got criticized for being cheap with their best player ever and letting him leave.

so the better option is to hamper your ability to sign future players by overpaying on a non-essential position.

neato.

DUNCANownsKOBE

08-23-2011, 04:48 PM

in the most recent of NFL histories, when has a team won or even gotten to a SB with a non-elite QB + elite WR?
When has a team gotten to a SB with a non-elite QB + a non-ellite WR? You act like the Cardinals chose to have an elite WR over an elite QB.

Blake

08-23-2011, 04:50 PM

A front loaded contract will tie up less cap space every year. I also didn't know the Cardinals were a team that ever came close to going over the cap.

k, if youre happy about it and other players think they will get paid now because of the Fitz deal, great, that's all that matters. :tu

I will continue to lol at the Cardinals.

DUNCANownsKOBE

08-23-2011, 04:50 PM

so the better option is to hamper your ability to sign future players by overpaying on a non-essential position.

neato.
You act like Arizona is the mecca of the NFL and the Cardinals have the ability to use free agency as a means to fill essential positions.

And you still haven't given me a specific example of what the Cardinals should have gone after.

DUNCANownsKOBE

08-23-2011, 04:51 PM

I will continue to lol at the Cardinals.
I'm sure if they let Fitz leave you would be loling at the Cardinals anyway

Blake

08-23-2011, 04:51 PM

When has a team gotten to a SB with a non-elite QB + a non-ellite WR? You act like the Cardinals chose to have an elite WR over an elite QB.

except for rare occasions, an elite QB is essential every time.

an elite WR has never been essential.

I'm acting like they are spending stupid money on a WR instead of plugging holes.

DUNCANownsKOBE

08-23-2011, 04:53 PM

If you don't think Fitzgerald was essential to the Cardinals reaching the superbowl a few years ago, or if you don't think Jerry Rice was essential to the 49ers superbowls, I have no idea what to say.

Blake

08-23-2011, 04:55 PM

I'm sure if they let Fitz leave you would be loling at the Cardinals anyway

yeah, they would probably suck any way

Blake

08-23-2011, 04:55 PM

DUNCANownsKOBE

08-23-2011, 04:56 PM

yeah, they would probably suck any way
Huh? I thought letting Fitzgerald leave would give them the best chance at winning!

Blake

08-23-2011, 04:58 PM

You act like Arizona is the mecca of the NFL and the Cardinals have the ability to use free agency as a means to fill essential positions.

lol mecca

And you still haven't given me a specific example of what the Cardinals should have gone after.

I'll look into.

Of course, when other teams sign solid, fair price WRs next year and the Cards can't, I'll be sure to point it out.

DUNCANownsKOBE

08-23-2011, 04:58 PM

I think Warner was on fire.
So you think they reach the superbowl without Fitz having the best playoff run of any receiver in NFL history?

Fitz was playing last year on the 5-11 team, right?
What's your point? Do you think they woulda been better without him?

Blake

08-23-2011, 04:58 PM

Huh? I thought letting Fitzgerald leave would give them the best chance at winning!

best chance at winning =/= automatically winning

DUNCANownsKOBE

08-23-2011, 05:00 PM

But best chance at winning = probably still sucking?

Det's some awesome logic.

DeadlyDynasty

08-23-2011, 05:02 PM

Arizona really had no other choice but to sign him, especially after getting fleeced in the Kolb deal. If they would've let him bolt then that would be a hard sell to the fans. Still though, Fitz is a top 3 wide-out imo, along w/ Dre and Megatron.

It's a lot of money to tie up in a WR, but they need him.

Blake

08-23-2011, 05:17 PM

But best chance at winning = probably still sucking?

Det's some awesome logic.

probably still sucking, tbh.

door shut with Fitz contract, imo.

door cracked open without Fitz and more room to maneuver, imo.

pawe

08-23-2011, 05:20 PM

What Dok said, AZ has to overpay to get players to play for them.
Cardinals doesnt have an elite QB, RB or defensive lineman, if Fitz walked, who's left?

Again, both Kolb and Fitz have front loaded contracts. Kolb will be a 2yr tryout and they can cut him if he doesnt workout.

These are people who think of things in advance and are super smart with money, there's a reason why we are all just in a sports forum and not on a sports team's payroll.

Blake

08-23-2011, 05:22 PM

So you think they reach the superbowl without Fitz having the best playoff run of any receiver in NFL history?

That defense was stacked, sending guys like Delhomme to the t of w.

Edgerrin and Hightower were running pretty good too.

Might have had a hard time winning that Philly game, but I'd say it's very possible.

Without Warner though, forget it.

What's your point? Do you think they woulda been better without him?

I'm saying if a team can go 5-11 with Fitz playing full speed, then why the hell would you want to pay him QB money?

You don't need an elite WR.

You need elite QBs and linemen.

Blake

08-23-2011, 05:26 PM

What Dok said, AZ has to overpay to get players to play for them.
Cardinals doesnt have an elite QB, RB or defensive lineman, if Fitz walked, who's left?

you gotta give the money to the non-skill players.

Again, both Kolb and Fitz have front loaded contracts. Kolb will be a 2yr tryout and they can cut him if he doesnt workout.

These are people who think of things in advance and are super smart with money, there's a reason why we are all just in a sports forum and not on a sports team's payroll.

As of today, Jerry Jones has 4 kickers on the roster.

Not smart, tbh.

Cards looked super smart in 2008. Today they just look lucky.

pawe

08-23-2011, 05:34 PM

Team went 5-11 because they didnt know what their identity is.
-They got 2 decent running back tandems that were not used.
-They have 3 awful QBs who were used a lot.

Fitz is a beast and can catch bad throws but he is not a god who can catch balls sailing 10 feet over his head.

pawe

08-23-2011, 05:38 PM

Of course, when other teams sign solid, fair price WRs next year and the Cards can't, I'll be sure to point it out.

Cardinals outsmarted everyone. You will see that they got a "bargain" for Fitz when the elite RBs and WRs start asking for money.
Cardinals basically fucked everyone else by raising the bar.

Blake

08-23-2011, 06:53 PM

Cardinals outsmarted everyone. You will see that they got a "bargain" for Fitz when the elite RBs and WRs start asking for money.
Cardinals basically fucked everyone else by raising the bar.

lol

The teams that follow the fins and cards lead by over paying for wide receivers and even running backs will be outdumbing themselves, tbh

Blake

08-23-2011, 06:54 PM

Fitz is a beast and can catch bad throws but he is not a god who can catch balls sailing 10 feet over his head.

For that type of cash he should

Reggie Williams

08-23-2011, 07:31 PM

Yeah this is retarded. Its not like Arizona couldve gone and signed Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. They got Fitz, and he's a monster.

If the Cardinals had an ounce of a running game, they could force teams into single high looks that prevent them from double teaming and bracketing Fitz the entire game.

Then Fitz can dominate. But if you have no QB and no Running game, it's going to be hard for any WR to do anything.

pawe

08-23-2011, 08:01 PM

But they have a running game now. Did you see how strong beanie wells is in actual games or are you just basing your comments on replies in this thread?

And Kolb is a QB who is not afraid to make mistakes by forcing everything to Fitz unlike the spineless QBs the Cards have last year. A Larry Fitzgerald will make all your WRs, TEs and RBs better by getting them open.

pawe

10-09-2011, 12:41 PM

21-0 Vikings (0-4) with 7 minutes left in the 1st qtr.

Fire this motherfucking Steeler culture imitating dumbass Ken Whisenhunt already!

JMarkJohns

10-09-2011, 01:43 PM

It's quickly getting to the point where I'm actually pissed they won their season opener.

If that win keeps them from Luck, I don't even know how upset I'll be.

pawe

10-09-2011, 02:01 PM

It's quickly getting to the point where I'm actually pissed they won their season opener.

If that win keeps them from Luck, I don't even know how upset I'll be.

What will probably piss you off more is what if they somehow get the 1st pick. Will they get Luck after overpaying for Kolb...because if this will be the case, they could've just signed any QB and they would've still had a competent CB, 2nd rd pick and cap space for a 2WR.

I just want the whole coaching staff gone now. The moves Whis makes are real head scratchers.

JMarkJohns

10-09-2011, 02:07 PM

You take Luck regardless. I'm not even sure teams like St. Louis, or Detroit opt a different choice. You take Luck and figure it all out later.

I believe the Cardinals draft luck and play Kolb for one more season, then trade him. Chances are Kolb will be better in year two (even Warner was average his first years with the Cardinals). Draft Luck, let him develop a year, showcase Kolb and trade him for a picks.

pawe

10-09-2011, 02:17 PM

True.
Kolb can be cut in his 2nd year. This is basically a 2 yr workout for him. But I dont think it's him that's the problem. It's the poor evaluation of talent by the coaches.

Kolb is a gun slinger, mobile and well coached in philly. It's the lack of movement in the Oline. I mean, how will Kolb bomb his throws to Fitz if he is constantly being chased out of the pocket easily.

And the defensive personnel...lots of holes in that area.

JMarkJohns

10-09-2011, 02:30 PM

You don't cut Kolb. You trade him. He's still a QB and a young one with good mobility and strong arm. He's worth something even if he's replaced by Luck.

DUNCANownsKOBE

10-09-2011, 02:31 PM

When Whiz is fired, Rod Graves should be as well. He's the common denominator of all the shitty decisions Green and Whiz have made, and it's inexplicable to me why he's not even on the hot seat after so many dumb draft choices he's made.

Who they should hire as the new coach is anyone's guess, but it better not be some faggot who's in love with the Steelers organization.

pawe

10-09-2011, 02:40 PM

A college coach is enough for this college level team.

DUNCANownsKOBE

10-09-2011, 02:41 PM

Rod Graves great draft decisions:

#2 overall Leonard Davis
#12 overall Wendell Bryant
Trades a top 10 pick away that coulda been used on Terrell Suggs (who was begging for the Cardinals to draft him) so he could take

#17 overall Bryant Johnson
#10 overall Matt Leinart
#5 overall Levi Brown
#16 overall DRC
#26 overall lazy fatshit Dan Wiliams

affirmative action gone wrong if I've ever seen it

pawe

10-09-2011, 03:08 PM

I'll probably voice my concern by not going to the next home game. Im usually a strong supporter after a tough loss and try to bring in an army of my friends to the following home game even if they dont want to anymore but this one is just a disgusting showing of lack of interest by the players.

If they wont take action then they will lose ticket sales.

JMarkJohns

10-09-2011, 03:13 PM

SUCK FOR LUCK!

I'm on board!

HarlemHeat37

10-09-2011, 03:30 PM

Kolb is terrible, it was evident from the beginning IMO..I still don't understand the hype..

pawe

10-09-2011, 04:12 PM

Im not a Kolb fan but the TO's were not on him. He got picked because a lineman tipped the ball. He lost a fumble because the RG werent able to stop Allen. He got no time in the pocket at all.

Pelicans78

10-09-2011, 04:31 PM

When has affirmative action ever gone right?

Rod Graves great draft decisions:

#2 overall Leonard Davis
#12 overall Wendell Bryant
Trades a top 10 pick away that coulda been used on Terrell Suggs (who was begging for the Cardinals to draft him) so he could take

#17 overall Bryant Johnson
#10 overall Matt Leinart
#5 overall Levi Brown
#16 overall DRC
#26 overall lazy fatshit Dan Wiliams

affirmative action gone wrong if I've ever seen it

DUNCANownsKOBE

10-09-2011, 04:48 PM

pawe

10-09-2011, 05:08 PM

Mike Tomlin

Most black coaches suck, but occasionally there are a few like Mike Tomlin and Raheem Morris who are surrounded with really good assistants who take care of all the actual technical stuff while all the head coach has to worry about is motivating the team with African battle cries.

I wish Tomlin would text this kind of strategy to Whis. Id just like him to leave the playcalling to the OC and just manage the game and players.

DUNCANownsKOBE

10-09-2011, 05:13 PM

Agreed, Whiz's ego is what's killing him. He says moronic things to the press and then entrenches himself in what he says just because he doesn't wanna be proven wrong.

Pelicans78

10-09-2011, 05:44 PM

Agreed, Whiz's ego is what's killing him. He says moronic things to the press and then entrenches himself in what he says just because he doesn't wanna be proven wrong.

Sounds like me.

JMarkJohns

10-09-2011, 05:57 PM

I'm really not sure anything Whiz has ever done has worked out. He was buoyed and then elevated by Warner. Couldn't develop a line, a running game, a young QB and still can't. His defense has never equaled the sum of its parts, and they've regressed significantly each of the last three years.

I said of D'Antoni his litmus test of effective coaching would come without Nash. Similar with Whiz and Warner.

pawe

10-19-2011, 11:02 AM

Fitz is now complaining about the lack of help and the evaluation of talent by mr Whizenhunt. He even subtly rips Roberts and Doucet for their lack of talent.

At the start of the season, Steve Breaston, Braylon Edwards, Lee Evans and Malcom Floyd were available and Whiz brushed them all off saying they are not going to fit in the system. Now, with a 1-4 start and the offense sputtering, Brandon Lloyd became available for a measly 6th rd pick and the Cardinals didnt even inquire about him.

He knows his defense will struggle with a new coach and poor personnel so at least what he could've done was to get Fitz some help and outgun the other team to make up for the points they are going to give up.

I hope they fire this dumb motherfucking stubborn, culture envy coach this season.

ducks

10-19-2011, 11:47 PM

The cards can not draft worth anything
detroit has and it shows
az will never turn it around without firing the scouts

DeadlyDynasty

10-19-2011, 11:56 PM

The cards can not draft worth anything
detroit has

Never thought I'd live to see that.

pawe

10-20-2011, 10:37 AM

Never thought I'd live to see that.

Continuous sucking year after year will eventually make you a good team. I mean, they are drafting in the top 10 for 10 straight years so that will net you good players.

JMarkJohns

10-20-2011, 10:49 AM

Continuous sucking year after year will eventually make you a good team. I mean, they are drafting in the top 10 for 10 straight years so that will net you good players.

Yeah, but half those 1sts were spent on Wide Receivers.

pawe

10-20-2011, 11:07 AM

You throw a handful of shit on the wall and one will stick and that was megatron.

But back to the Cards. Just when the Bidwills got rid of their cheap ways, they've got a coach more stubborn than a 5 yr old.

LT Levi Brown may suck at pass protection but he is a beast these last 4 games on the run protection.
Against the Giants, the team was being successful at the run so what did Whiz do? They passed the ball. I loved it when I saw Levi Brown shouting at Whiz to run the goddamn ball in that game.