Current Superbowl Odds

[DeadlyDynasty]

Future Odds Status
2/5/2012 - Odds to Win 2012 Super Bowl XLVI - Indianapolis IN
NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS 6-1 In Progress
GREEN BAY PACKERS 6-1 In Progress
INDIANAPOLIS COLTS 9-1 In Progress
PHILADELPHIA EAGLES 9-1 In Progress
PITTSBURGH STEELERS 12-1 In Progress
SAN DIEGO CHARGERS 12-1 In Progress
BALTIMORE RAVENS 12-1 In Progress
NEW ORLEANS SAINTS 12-1 In Progress
NEW YORK JETS 12-1 In Progress
ATLANTA FALCONS 12-1 In Progress
NEW YORK GIANTS 15-1 In Progress
DALLAS COWBOYS 18-1 In Progress
DETROIT LIONS 25-1 In Progress
MINNESOTA VIKINGS 30-1 In Progress
CHICAGO BEARS 30-1 In Progress
TAMPA BAY BUCCANNEERS 30-1 In Progress
KANSAS CITY CHIEFS 30-1 In Progress
HOUSTON TEXANS 35-1 In Progress
MIAMI DOLPHINS 40-1 In Progress
SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS 40-1 In Progress
ARIZONA CARDINALS 50-1 In Progress
OAKLAND RAIDERS 50-1 In Progress
ST LOUIS RAMS 50-1 In Progress
WASHINGTON REDSKINS 60-1 In Progress
JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS 60-1 In Progress
CLEVELAND BROWNS 60-1 In Progress
DENVER BRONCOS 60-1 In Progress
TENNESSEE TITANS 60-1 In Progress
SEATTLE SEAHAWKS 80-1 In Progress
CINCINNATI BENGALS 100-1 In Progress
CAROLINA PANTHERS 150-1 In Progress
BUFFALO BILLS 150-1 In Progress


:lol Bills

I love the Jets and Saints at 12-1. Risk is worth the reward, imho. Eagles at 9-1 is looking sexy too.

[lefty]

We staaaaaaaaaaaaaaacked

[slick'81]

yeah this might be the year to put money on phili before the season starts

[DesignatedT]

Eagles/Jets/Falcons

[DeadlyDynasty]

Philly has moved to 6-1...Chargers and Ravens are now 15-1 :wow

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The Philly cock slobbing is ridiculous.

[pawe]

How does one do it if you want to put money in?
I'll be in Vegas this weekend, 50 to 1 is a big payout.

[DeadlyDynasty]

How does one do it if you want to put money in?
I'll be in Vegas this weekend, 50 to 1 is a big payout.

Caesar's Palace has a nice sportsbook...you could go there. I'm a small time bookie, so I'll take your action if you wanna lay some greenbacks on the Cards :D

[pawe]

Like I will trust my money to anyone here in ST after spending time in the NBA forum during the playoffs and the offseason :lol
Thanks for the tip though! :toast

[symple19]

lol. how are the niners 40-1? I imagine that shit will move to 8,000,000,000-1 by the time the season starts

[Girasuck]

lol at the Lions a better favorite than the defending NFC North champions.

[TIMMYtoZO]

How are a proven champion in the Giants not in the top 5 for best odds? WHY ARE PEOPLE CONTINUING TO OVERLOOK THEM? They have such a disgusting D people! They have a sick offense as well. This team is so complete yet 11 teams are ahead of them? :lmao:lmao

Eagles make a few moves and everyone is all on their cocks. Packers made a FLUKE run last year (thanks to the giants beating themselves) and everyone is all up on their cocks. The overrated Patriots sign washed up scrubs and yet everyone thinks they are elite.

JPP is going to be a top 5 defensive end this year if NY can trade OSI. They don't need him anymore. JPP will do more than replace his production.

Go ahead and overlook the Giants. They will go 16-3 this year, sweep the Eagles by double digit victories,have the best D and top 5 O in the NFL.

[symple19]

:rolleyes

[DeadlyDynasty]

How are a proven champion in the Giants not in the top 5 for best odds? WHY ARE PEOPLE CONTINUING TO OVERLOOK THEM? They have such a disgusting D people! They have a sick offense as well. This team is so complete yet 11 teams are ahead of them? :lmao:lmao

Eagles make a few moves and everyone is all on their cocks. Packers made a FLUKE run last year (thanks to the giants beating themselves) and everyone is all up on their cocks. The overrated Patriots sign washed up scrubs and yet everyone thinks they are elite.

JPP is going to be a top 5 defensive end this year if NY can trade OSI. They don't need him anymore. JPP will do more than replace his production.

Go ahead and overlook the Giants. They will go 16-3 this year, sweep the Eagles by double digit victories,have the best D and top 5 O in the NFL.

:lolbut the real question is how will the Broncos finish?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

How are a proven champion in the Giants not in the top 5 for best odds? WHY ARE PEOPLE CONTINUING TO OVERLOOK THEM? They have such a disgusting D people! They have a sick offense as well. This team is so complete yet 11 teams are ahead of them? :lmao:lmao

Eagles make a few moves and everyone is all on their cocks. Packers made a FLUKE run last year (thanks to the giants beating themselves) and everyone is all up on their cocks. The overrated Patriots sign washed up scrubs and yet everyone thinks they are elite.

JPP is going to be a top 5 defensive end this year if NY can trade OSI. They don't need him anymore. JPP will do more than replace his production.

Go ahead and overlook the Giants. They will go 16-3 this year, sweep the Eagles by double digit victories,have the best D and top 5 O in the NFL.
In the event you're a troll, you aren't funny.

[Spursfan092120]

In the event you're a troll, you aren't funny.

I'm telling you...DaCowboysDaBest is doing a Giants troll this year. Gotta be.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I think it's pretty obvious who TimmytoZo is, tbh

[Spursfan092120]

I think it's pretty obvious who TimmytoZo is, tbh

Guess I haven't been here long enough to figure it out.

[TIMMYtoZO]

:rolleyes


Another doubter of the NY Giants. Let me guess...you think the eagles/packers are the class of the NFC? :lmao

[TIMMYtoZO]

In the event you're a troll, you aren't funny.


I am not trying to be funny. I am being dead serious. People keep overlooking the Giants. How can a team with the best defensive line in the league, an elite wr in Nicks, a sick running game and an elite qb in Eli be overlooked?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Well lets see

1) The QB you're calling "elite" led the NFL in interceptions last year and was 17th in passer rating
2) That "sick" running game was also extremely fumble prone and led the NFL in fumbles lost
3) Oh and this one is kinda important, they've missed the playoffs for 2 straight years.

[Lincoln]

:lmao

[Spursfan092120]

Well lets see

1) The QB you're calling "elite" led the NFL in interceptions last year and was 17th in passer rating
2) That "sick" running game was also extremely fumble prone and led the NFL in fumbles lost
3) Oh and this one is kinda important, they've missed the playoffs for 2 straight years.

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0808/smack-bush-olympics-volleyball-demotivational-poster-1218333534.jpg

[TIMMYtoZO]

Well lets see

1) The QB you're calling "elite" led the NFL in interceptions last year and was 17th in passer rating
2) That "sick" running game was also extremely fumble prone and led the NFL in fumbles lost
3) Oh and this one is kinda important, they've missed the playoffs for 2 straight years.


1.)Most of those picks weren't Eli's fault.
2.)Those fumbles are easily correctable mistakes.
3.) They were pretty bad on D in 09, but they threw away their season last year. They relaxed vs Philly and it cost them. That game was the only reason the Packers got in the playoffs.

[Spursfan092120]

1.)Most of those picks weren't Eli's fault.
2.)Those fumbles are easily correctable mistakes.
3.) They were pretty bad on D in 09, but they threw away their season last year. They relaxed vs Philly and it cost them. That game was the only reason the Packers got in the playoffs.
http://troll.me/images/futurama-fry/not-sure-if-trolling-or-just-gay.jpg

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

1.)Most of those picks weren't Eli's fault.
2.)Those fumbles are easily correctable mistakes.
3.) They were pretty bad on D in 09, but they threw away their season last year. They relaxed vs Philly and it cost them. That game was the only reason the Packers got in the playoffs.
1 and 2) Until they prove they aren't a turnover prone team, don't expect them to be taken seriously when they the NFL in turnovers last year
3) The Packers were 10-6. The Eagles were 10-6. If the Giants beat the Eagles, the Eagles finish 9-7, and the Packers take their place in the playoffs. Are you fuckin retarded?

[JoeTait75]

1.)Most of those picks weren't Eli's fault.

?

[TIMMYtoZO]

1 and 2) Until they prove they aren't a turnover prone team, don't expect them to be taken seriously when they the NFL in turnovers last year
3) The Packers were 10-6. The Eagles were 10-6. If the Giants beat the Eagles, the Eagles finish 9-7, and the Packers take their place in the playoffs. Are you fuckin retarded?


All the Giants have to do is take care of the ball, and they will be fine. The D is the best in the NFL. Teams are literally scared of the Giants defensive line.

[TIMMYtoZO]

?

Most of those picks were off Eli's wideouts. They are the results of a majority of Eli's picks.

[mojorizen7]

Eli Manning kinda sucks as a QB...#1 overall pick and all....just sayin

[Spursfan092120]

1 and 2) Until they prove they aren't a turnover prone team, don't expect them to be taken seriously when they the NFL in turnovers last year
3) The Packers were 10-6. The Eagles were 10-6. If the Giants beat the Eagles, the Eagles finish 9-7, and the Packers take their place in the playoffs. Are you fuckin retarded?
I think we know the answer to that question...

[Spursfan092120]

Most of those picks were off Eli's wideouts. They are the results of a majority of Eli's picks.

So then your wide receivers suck? Nice...guaranteed Super Bowl right there.

[Spursfan092120]

Teams are literally scared of the Giants defensive line.

link?

[symple19]

Brannon running a trolling clinic





















































Up In This Bitch

[TIMMYtoZO]

link?

JPP/Tuck/Austin/Canty/Kiwi=fear from any offensive line. You don't need a link. Just watch the games. This is easily the best defensive line in all of football. Hell I didn't even add Osi in there (I expect him to be gone soon with JPP emerging.)

[TIMMYtoZO]

So then your wide receivers suck? Nice...guaranteed Super Bowl right there.

Hakeem Nicks is one of the best receivers in the NFL. Manningham will make a run for the pro bowl this season. The other youngsters are going to make this passing game even more deadly. They just need to focus on catching the ball rather than thinking ahead. That is easily fixable.

[Spursfan092120]

JPP/Tuck/Austin/Canty/Kiwi=fear from any offensive line. This is easily the best defensive line in all of football.


link?

[Spursfan092120]

Hakeem Nicks is one of the best receivers in the NFL. Manningham will make a run for the pro bowl this season. The other youngsters are going to make this passing game even more deadly. They just need to focus on catching the ball rather than thinking ahead. That is easily fixable.

lmao..tell that to Terrell Owens

[TIMMYtoZO]

You don't need a link. Just watch the games.

[TIMMYtoZO]

lmao..tell that to Terrell Owens

Nicks has GREAT hands. Like I said, this is an easy fix.

[BlackSwordsMan]

good to see my 'boys back on top :cry

[TIMMYtoZO]

Eli Manning kinda sucks as a QB...#1 overall pick and all....just sayin


Eli Manning sucks? :lmao

He may not be as great as Brady or his brother but he is easily a top 10 qb in the league and he is elite.

[Spursfan092120]

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/11/15/gal_hakeem_nicks_giants.jpg http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Carolina+Panthers+v+New+York+Giants+p7dEoVhegQ1l.j pg

[TIMMYtoZO]

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/11/15/gal_hakeem_nicks_giants.jpg http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Carolina+Panthers+v+New+York+Giants+p7dEoVhegQ1l.j pg

That won't be happening this year kiddo. :lol

[Spursfan092120]

Eli Manning sucks? :lmao

He may not be as great as Brady or his brother but he is easily a top 10 qb in the league and he is elite.

lol calling a Top 10 QB elite.
lol calling any QB who throws 25 INTs elite
lol fumblin bastards
lol Number 1 pick and 3rd best QB in the division

[Spursfan092120]

That won't be happening this year kiddo. :lol


link?

[TIMMYtoZO]

lol calling a Top 10 QB elite.
lol calling any QB who throws 25 INTs elite
lol fumblin bastards
lol Number 1 pick and 3rd best QB in the division


3rd best in the division?:lmao:lmao

He is the best qb in the division. Vick can't stay healthy, and Tony Romo is a fucking joke. Just 1 playoff win in his career. Eli was a huge part of his team winning the superbowl including a game winning drive vs the Patriots. I won't even mention the other team.

[Spursfan092120]

3rd best in the division?:lmao:lmao

He is the best qb in the division. Vick can't stay healthy, and Tony Romo is a fucking joke. Just 1 playoff win in his career. Eli was a huge part of his team winning the superbowl including a game winning drive vs the Patriots. I won't even mention the other team.

:lmao Only reason Giants won shit is because of a lucky fucking catch by a guy who can't even hack it in the league anymore. Defense was the only reason the Giants were even worth a shit, but that was before Strahan left.

:lol #1 pick who's the 3rd best QB in the division.
:lol being worse than one QB who wasn't even drafted and another who was in prison 2 1/2 years ago
:lol shitty younger brother

[TIMMYtoZO]

:lmao Only reason Giants won shit is because of a lucky fucking catch by a guy who can't even hack it in the league anymore. Defense was the only reason the Giants were even worth a shit, but that was before Strahan left.

:lol #1 pick who's the 3rd best QB in the division.
:lol being worse than one QB who wasn't even drafted and another who was in prison 2 1/2 years ago
:lol shitty younger brother


Lucky catch? Nah that was clutch but you are right that Tyree blows. The D was GREAT, but they also gave up a td that gave the Patriots the lead and it was up to Eli to win the game for them. Eli drove them down the field in amazing fashion. Romo could never do that. He would throw a pick. Again,:lmao@ you putting Romo and a qb who can't stay healthy ahead of Eli in the division.

[Spursfan092120]

Lucky catch? Nah that was clutch but you are right that Tyree blows. The D was GREAT, but they also gave up a td that gave the Patriots the lead and it was up to Eli to win the game for them. Eli drove them down the field in amazing fashion. Romo could never do that. He would throw a pick. Again,:lmao@ you putting Romo and a qb who can't stay healthy ahead of Eli in the division.

You're right..I was wrong about Eli...he's 4th in the division..I'd take Grossman over him too. At least he's not a little bitch... "Oh..wah..I won't play for the Chargers." :lmao

:lol Eli winning shit for the Giants

The guy who won the SB for the Giants shot himself in the foot...literally. Now he's playing for the team with the best defense in NY.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Teams are literally scared of the Giants defensive line.

As opposed to being figuratively scared of them?

[Dr. Gonzo]

Nicks has GREAT hands. Like I said, this is an easy fix.

If he had great hands would they need fixing?

[TIMMYtoZO]

You're right..I was wrong about Eli...he's 4th in the division..I'd take Grossman over him too. At least he's not a little bitch... "Oh..wah..I won't play for the Chargers." :lmao

:lol Eli winning shit for the Giants

The guy who won the SB for the Giants shot himself in the foot...literally. Now he's playing for the team with the best defense in NY.


The Jets have a better D than the Giants? :lmao:lmao

1 playoff win in 15 fucking years..:lmao:lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

"Daddy pwease get me twaded away fwom the chargers :cry:cry:cry"

[TIMMYtoZO]

"Daddy pwease get me twaded away fwom the chargers :cry:cry:cry"

Thank God for Eli doing that. I am so glad we didn't get Rivers.

[Spursfan092120]

http://www.chargersgab.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/eli-manning.jpg http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/08/24/gal_giants-3.jpg

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I am so glad we didn't get Rivers.
:lmao:lmao:lmao yeah, you guys might have multiple superbowls with Rivers, that woulda sucked

[Spursfan092120]

Thank God for Eli doing that. I am so glad we didn't get Rivers.

Oh..definitely..cause then you would have had a QB who throws more TDs than INTs...and God forbid the Giants are worth a shit. If Eli stayed with San Diego and Rivers stayed in NY, San Diego would have become a failure and the Giants probably would have won another 1 or 2 SBs.

:lol shitty little brother
:lol losing to Jon Kitna

[TIMMYtoZO]

Oh..definitely..cause then you would have had a QB who throws more TDs than INTs...and God forbid the Giants are worth a shit. If Eli stayed with San Diego and Rivers stayed in NY, San Diego would have become a failure and the Giants probably would have won another 1 or 2 SBs.

:lol shitty little brother
:lol losing to Jon Kitna


Rivers is a fucking hothead and a loser. Eli is a winner and has a ring to back it up. With Rivers, he throws a pick on that epic game winning drive vs the Patriots. Hell Eli did 2 things that Phillip couldn't do in the postseason, beat the Patriots and win a superbowl.

Oh and that 33-20 loss was a fluke win for you guys. Giants were ripping the league to shreds and decided not to show up that day.

[TIMMYtoZO]

:lmao:lmao:lmao yeah, you guys might have multiple superbowls with Rivers, that woulda sucked


Rivers is a shitty leader. The Giants don't beat the Patriots in that superbowl with Rivers instead of Eli.

[Spursfan092120]

:lol epic defense giving up over 300 yards and 3 TDs to Jon Fucking Kitna
:lol 1st pick dominated by a QB he was traded for, along with 3 fucking draft picks
:lol dumbshit front office moves. And I know about dumbshit front office moves..I'm a fucking Cowboys fan.

[TIMMYtoZO]

:lol epic defense giving up over 300 yards and 3 TDs to Jon Fucking Kitna
:lol 1st pick dominated by a QB he was traded for, along with 3 fucking draft picks
:lol dumbshit front office moves. And I know about dumbshit front office moves..I'm a fucking Cowboys fan.


1 game. The Giants were on a tear and let off the gas pedal and the cowboys played with urgency under JG. Fluke game.

Eli>Rivers

dumbshit office moves? The Giants have had some amazing drafts. JPP is a beast, Tuck is a beast, Austin will be an elite defensive tackle as early as this year. Now the Canty signing was fucking stupid. I'll give you that. Way too much money for that type of player.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol giving up 300 yards to Jon fucking Kitna

[Spursfan092120]

1 game. The Giants were on a tear and let off the gas pedal and the cowboys played with urgency under JG. Fluke game.

Eli>Rivers

dumbshit office moves? The Giants have had some amazing drafts. JPP is a beast, Tuck is a beast, Austin will be an elite defensive tackle as early as this year. Now the Canty signing was fucking stupid. I'll give you that. Way too much money for that type of player.
:lmao saying that Eli Manning is better than Phillip Rivers + Shawne Merriman + Nate Kaeding. Shit...I'd take Merriman alone over Eli. At least Merriman is a grown ass man and doesn't cry to daddy to let him pick his own fucking team. Grow a sack..shit.

[Spursfan092120]

Might even take Kaeding over his whiny ass...especially with our shitty ass kickers.

[TIMMYtoZO]

:lol giving up 300 yards to Jon fucking Kitna

:lol losing in the superbowl to Eli Manning...wait what? :lol

[TIMMYtoZO]

Might even take Kaeding over his whiny ass...especially with our shitty ass kickers.

Tynes>>>>>>>>Kaeding in the postseason. Kaeding folds in the playoffs.

[Spursfan092120]

:lol losing in the superbowl to David Tyree and the Giants D...wait what? :lol

fify

[TIMMYtoZO]

:lmao saying that Eli Manning is better than Phillip Rivers + Shawne Merriman + Nate Kaeding. Shit...I'd take Merriman alone over Eli. At least Merriman is a grown ass man and doesn't cry to daddy to let him pick his own fucking team. Grow a sack..shit.


:lmao:lmao

At least Eli was focused on getting his team to the superbowl unlike Romo who was partying in Mexico during their bye. I mean it is the playoffs so grow a sack...shit.

[Spursfan092120]

Tynes>>>>>>>>Kaeding in the postseason. Kaeding folds in the playoffs.

:lmao needing three chances to make a game winning fucking field goal in the NFC Championship game.

Yeah..he's clutch as shit. :tu

[Spursfan092120]

:lmao:lmao

At least Eli was focused on getting his team to the superbowl unlike Romo who was partying in Mexico during their bye. I mean it is the playoffs so grow a sack...shit.

One QB was partying with hot chicks in Mexico..one cries to daddy when he doesn't get what he wants. Now...who needs to grow a sack?

:lol 4th best QB in the division
:lol worse than Rex Grossman
:lol second most INTs in the NFL since 2004 (guess they haven't been his fault in all 6 years?)

[TIMMYtoZO]

One QB was partying with hot chicks in Mexico..one cries to daddy when he doesn't get what he wants. Now...who needs to grow a sack?

:lol 4th best QB in the division
:lol worse than Rex Grossman
:lol second most INTs in the NFL since 2004 (guess they haven't been his fault in all 6 years?)

:lol Rex Grossman having more playoff wins than Tony Romo
:lol Acting like partying is better than a championship
:lol 1 playoff win in 15 years (America's team my ass)
:lol thinking Romo will ever be a leader

[Spursfan092120]

:lol Rex Grossman having more playoff wins than Tony Romo
:lol Acting like partying is better than a championship
:lol 1 playoff win in 15 years (America's team my ass)
:lol thinking Romo will ever be a leader

Daddy...pwease talk to them..I don't WANT to play for the Chargers... :cry :cry

http://media.commercialappeal.com/media/img/photos/2009/03/10/11manning2_t607.jpeg

[DeadlyDynasty]

Daddy...pwease talk to them..I don't WANT to play for the Chargers... :cry :cry

http://media.commercialappeal.com/media/img/photos/2009/03/10/11manning2_t607.jpeg

tbh, Daddy was right:lol

[Spursfan092120]

tbh, Daddy was right:lol

lol..true...Eli would have killed the Chargers. Thank God for Chargers fans they got Phillip...at least they've gotten to the playoffs a couple of times.

[vander]

lol..true...Eli would have killed the Chargers. Thank God for Chargers fans they got Phillip...at least they've gotten to the playoffs a couple of times.

WE ALREADY FUCKING HAD DREW FUCKING BREES!!! :bang:bang

the Rivers/Manning argument is invalid, Charger fans lost either way

[Spursfan092120]

WE ALREADY FUCKING HAD DREW FUCKING BREES!!! :bang:bang

the Rivers/Manning argument is invalid, Charger fans lost either way

True...Brees is a shitload better than either of these guys..just making the obvious point that Rivers is a MUCH better QB than Manning.

[Spursfan092120]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

This muhfucka's GOTTA be kidding

Eli Manning: I'm in class with Tom Brady

Eli Manning is a top-caliber quarterback. Well, at least he says he is.

Giants QB Eli Manning joins "The Michael Kay Show" about the offensive struggles in the preseason game, cutting down the turnovers this year and where he feel he ranks among the best QB's in the league.

The New York Giants quarterback, who does have a Super Bowl MVP award to his name, said on "The Michael Kay Show" on ESPN New York 1050 on Tuesday that he considers himself to be a top quarterback who belongs in the same class as New England's Tom Brady.

"I consider myself in that class and Tom Brady is a great quarterback, he's a great player and what you've seen with him is he's gotten better every year and he started off winning championships and I think he's a better quarterback now than what he was, in all honesty, when he was winning those championships," Manning said Tuesday. "It's funny, you say well he won championships, but the team, but I think know he's grown up and gotten better every year and that's what I'm trying to do. I kind of hope these next seven years of my quarterback days are my best."

While Manning is regarded as a very good quarterback by most, as he's led the Giants to the playoffs in four of his seven seasons as the full-time starter, there is usually a hesitation to place him among the elite in the game. While Manning was fifth in the league in passing yards with 4,002 yards and fourth in touchdowns with 31 scores last season, his 25 interceptions are the number that jumps out the most.

He did say he didn't feel that too many of his interceptions last year were caused by bad decisions.

When explaining why he feels he's an elite quarterback, Manning said the Giants have an offense that puts him in a good situation and with their stingy run game, it opens the play action, which is a facet of the game that he performs well in. He recalled just one interception on play action and said he's good with the ball on those situations.

"I'm not a 25-interception quarterback, I know that," Manning said. "That's going to be fixed and it should be a good year."

It could be a challenge for Manning to live up to his claim this year, as the Giants swung and missed on their receiving targets this offseason.

Two of Manning's former safety valves, tight end Kevin Boss and wide receiver Steve Smith, have signed with new teams, with Boss heading to Oakland and Smith signing with NFC East rival Philadelphia. It's still unknown who will be the Giants' No. 3 receiver at this point.

The Giants also watched Super Bowl hero Plaxico Burress spurn them to sign with the New York Jets, despite Burress coming to the Giants facility and meeting with former players, organizational members and coach Tom Coughlin. During Burress' brief stay in New York, however, he and Manning never met and Manning said he was busy preparing.

While the two worked well together on the field in their nearly four seasons together, highlighted by their Super Bowl title in 2007, Manning also failed to visit Burress while he was in jail and the quarterback did not have a reason Tuesday for why he didn't. He said he called Burress once he got out of jail, but didn't want to have it be a big deal if he visited Burress.

Manning said Tuesday that he was indecisive on some parts on whether he wanted to reunite with the talented, 6-foot-5 receiver, without saying yes or no as to whether he wanted Burress back. He also reiterated why he didn't publicly lobby for Burress to rejoin the Giants.

"I didn't want to put my owners in a spot, I didn't want to put my other teammates in a spot saying that I thought we needed him because then all of a sudden it would be in the papers that Eli didn't think his receivers were good enough or something like that," Manning said. "It's not my job to go out there and promote for somebody. I'm trying to get better and if they want to bring him in, great, and we'll get back to work and see how we can get better. I didn't know what the circumstances were. It wasn't going to be a case of me going after it and make a decision whether Plaxico is coming to the Giants. It was going to be some other factors."

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/6868654/eli-manning-sees-same-class-new-england-patriots-tom-brady

[Spursfan092120]

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[TIMMYtoZO]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

This muhfucka's GOTTA be kidding

Eli Manning: I'm in class with Tom Brady

Eli Manning is a top-caliber quarterback. Well, at least he says he is.

Giants QB Eli Manning joins "The Michael Kay Show" about the offensive struggles in the preseason game, cutting down the turnovers this year and where he feel he ranks among the best QB's in the league.

The New York Giants quarterback, who does have a Super Bowl MVP award to his name, said on "The Michael Kay Show" on ESPN New York 1050 on Tuesday that he considers himself to be a top quarterback who belongs in the same class as New England's Tom Brady.

"I consider myself in that class and Tom Brady is a great quarterback, he's a great player and what you've seen with him is he's gotten better every year and he started off winning championships and I think he's a better quarterback now than what he was, in all honesty, when he was winning those championships," Manning said Tuesday. "It's funny, you say well he won championships, but the team, but I think know he's grown up and gotten better every year and that's what I'm trying to do. I kind of hope these next seven years of my quarterback days are my best."

While Manning is regarded as a very good quarterback by most, as he's led the Giants to the playoffs in four of his seven seasons as the full-time starter, there is usually a hesitation to place him among the elite in the game. While Manning was fifth in the league in passing yards with 4,002 yards and fourth in touchdowns with 31 scores last season, his 25 interceptions are the number that jumps out the most.

He did say he didn't feel that too many of his interceptions last year were caused by bad decisions.

When explaining why he feels he's an elite quarterback, Manning said the Giants have an offense that puts him in a good situation and with their stingy run game, it opens the play action, which is a facet of the game that he performs well in. He recalled just one interception on play action and said he's good with the ball on those situations.

"I'm not a 25-interception quarterback, I know that," Manning said. "That's going to be fixed and it should be a good year."

It could be a challenge for Manning to live up to his claim this year, as the Giants swung and missed on their receiving targets this offseason.

Two of Manning's former safety valves, tight end Kevin Boss and wide receiver Steve Smith, have signed with new teams, with Boss heading to Oakland and Smith signing with NFC East rival Philadelphia. It's still unknown who will be the Giants' No. 3 receiver at this point.

The Giants also watched Super Bowl hero Plaxico Burress spurn them to sign with the New York Jets, despite Burress coming to the Giants facility and meeting with former players, organizational members and coach Tom Coughlin. During Burress' brief stay in New York, however, he and Manning never met and Manning said he was busy preparing.

While the two worked well together on the field in their nearly four seasons together, highlighted by their Super Bowl title in 2007, Manning also failed to visit Burress while he was in jail and the quarterback did not have a reason Tuesday for why he didn't. He said he called Burress once he got out of jail, but didn't want to have it be a big deal if he visited Burress.

Manning said Tuesday that he was indecisive on some parts on whether he wanted to reunite with the talented, 6-foot-5 receiver, without saying yes or no as to whether he wanted Burress back. He also reiterated why he didn't publicly lobby for Burress to rejoin the Giants.

"I didn't want to put my owners in a spot, I didn't want to put my other teammates in a spot saying that I thought we needed him because then all of a sudden it would be in the papers that Eli didn't think his receivers were good enough or something like that," Manning said. "It's not my job to go out there and promote for somebody. I'm trying to get better and if they want to bring him in, great, and we'll get back to work and see how we can get better. I didn't know what the circumstances were. It wasn't going to be a case of me going after it and make a decision whether Plaxico is coming to the Giants. It was going to be some other factors."

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/6868654/eli-manning-sees-same-class-new-england-patriots-tom-brady


I am on cloud 9. HOLY SHIT! Eli is motivated to be in that class. He is already the 3rd best quarterback in the NFL behind Brady and his brother. I am now dying for this season to start. Eli is going to have an MVP career year.

[Spursfan092120]

I am on cloud 9. HOLY SHIT! Eli is motivated to be in that class. He is already the 3rd best quarterback in the NFL behind Brady and his brother. I am now dying for this season to start. Eli is going to have an MVP career year.

:lol thinking motivation will eliminate complete suckiness.

[TIMMYtoZO]

:lol thinking motivation will eliminate complete suckiness.

Eli just said he is in Brady's class. Those words are going to turn his season into an MVP one. If I were to start a team and Peyton/Brady were taken, give me Eli. Eli also did outshine Brady in the superbowl.

[TIMMYtoZO]

A little late but a great read...

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/29550/camp-confidential-giants

Camp Confidential: Giants (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/29550/camp-confidential-giants)



By Dan Graziano


EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- It's funny to say this about a team that plays where they play, but the New York Giants (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyg/new-york-giants) like it when nobody notices them. They like being forgotten, underestimated, treated as an afterthought. They're OK with the Jets getting all the back-page-tabloid attention and the Eagles being the big offseason story because of their free-agent shopping spree. The Giants believe in their own way of doing things, and if that means lying in the weeds while people on the outside are distracted by other teams that are hot at the moment, that's fine with them.

Camp Confidential: NFC East




"We believe in our organization, and we believe in our coaches," said ninth-year offensive lineman David Diehl (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/4618/david-diehl), who has moved from left tackle to left guard as part of the Giants' offensive line shuffle. "We're not running around doing the free-agency fiasco and all that stuff. Yeah, you hope that, if an opportunity arises, you bring in guys that fit holes. But at the same time, we've got guys that have been here, guys that are a part of this team, guys who know the system."

That's why, even though they lost tight end Kevin Boss (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/10596/kevin-boss) and receiver Steve Smith (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/2622/steve-smith) in free agency and didn't sign new guys the way the Eagles did, the Giants say they're not worried. They have a different way of doing things here. They build through the draft and groom their own players to replace the ones who leave. And they have a few guys they think can fill the holes created by their cuts and free-agent defections. It remains to be seen whether they're right, of course, but the vibe at Giants training camp is clear: Go ahead, underestimate us. We'll see how it turns out in the end.

THREE HOT ISSUES The Giants will have a revamped offensive line that includes William Beatty, left, at left tackle.



1. The new offensive line. When they cut longtime center Shaun O'Hara (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/2410/shaun-o%27hara) and guard Rich Seubert (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/2885/rich-seubert) on the first day of free agency, the Giants signaled a decision to change an aspect of their team that hadn't changed much over the past six or seven years. They signed free-agent center David Baas (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/8447/david-baas) from San Francisco, moved Diehl inside, and gave the starting left tackle job (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/29550/camp-confidential-giants#) to 2009 second-round draft pick William Beatty (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12610/will-beatty). So there are questions that must be answered about how quickly the newly configured group can jell, how smooth the relationship between Baas and quarterback Eli Manning (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5526/eli-manning) will be and, perhaps most importantly, whether Beatty in his third NFL (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/29550/camp-confidential-giants#) season is ready for the responsibility of protecting Manning's blind side.

"In the case of William Beatty, it's time," Giants coach Tom Coughlin said. "We've had him here. He's talented. He's had an opportunity to learn. He's practiced against some of the best. We've had some defensive ends around here that can play. So it's time. It's his turn."

Beatty started four games (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/29550/camp-confidential-giants#) in his rookie season and two last season as he was being groomed for this opportunity. He's perhaps the best example of the Giants' belief in their ability to groom their own replacements for departing veterans rather than having to hit the free-agent market to do so. Now, he must prove that their faith in him was justified.

2. Can Osi Umenyiora (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/4514/osi-umenyiora) be happy? Upset about his contract, the Giants' star defensive end has sat out practice and demanded that the team rework his deal or trade him to a team that will. Neither of those things appears likely to happen, though the Giants have offered an olive branch in the form of some 2011 incentives depending on the number of sacks Umenyiora gets this year. He had his knee checked out last week and there's a sense he could return to practice Monday. The way Jason Pierre-Paul (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13256/jason-pierre-paul) played in Saturday night's preseason opener only helped the Giants' leverage in this situation. They believe Pierre-Paul, their 2010 first-round pick, can be a capable replacement for Umenyiora at the defensive end spot opposite Justin Tuck (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/8488/justin-tuck). Of course, if Umenyiora wants to come back and play, they'll be thrilled to be able to rotate three such weapons at the defensive end spots. It would also enable them to put Mathias Kiwanuka (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/9618/mathias-kiwanuka) at linebacker and leave him there.

3. Manning's safety valves. As the Giants' passing game evolved over the past couple of seasons, Manning relied heavily on Smith and Boss as targets when things broke down. Both are gone. The Giants hope that 2009 third-round pick Travis Beckum (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12532/travis-beckum) is ready to replace Boss. Beckum is a good receiver, but he doesn't have Boss' size or blocking ability. And they're trying everyone from Mario Manningham (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11329/mario-manningham) to Domenik Hixon (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/9716/domenik-hixon) to Victor Cruz (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13553/victor-cruz) in Smith's old slot-receiver role in the hopes that someone can play the position the way Smith did. Top receiver Hakeem Nicks (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12586/hakeem-nicks) appears poised to have another big year, and the Giants can use Manningham on the outside as they did last season. But Manning is justifiably concerned about who will be there for him when a play inevitably breaks down, and tight end and slot receiver are positions that need to be sorted out before camp ends.

"When we've gotten in trouble in the past, we always had Steve in the slot, and that's kind of all we worked on -- Steve's in the slot, there you go, he's got it down," Manning said. "And so last year, when he got hurt, we were in trouble. No one else really knew how to play it. So this year we're putting everybody -- Hakeem is in there, Manningham's getting in here, we're getting a lot of people in there to get them to learn some of it, so that'll probably create some more opportunities for us to move guys around and get some mismatches."

MAN IN THE MIDDLE



Linebacker has been a weak spot for the Giants the past couple of years. Unable to add outside free agents because of cap concerns, they'll address it by moving Kiwanuka there for first and second downs. But much will still fall on the shoulders of Jonathan Goff (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11399/jonathan-goff), who enters his second season as starter at middle linebacker in the Giants' 4-3 defense. "I'll have better composure this year," Goff said. "Last year, being my first year, was a little bit of a learning experience for me. This year, I think we're all on the same page to move forward as a defense and get better. It's just natural now." Goff is responsible for communicating the calls from the sidelines and for making any front-seven checks. (The coverage checks are the responsibility of the safeties.) He knows he'll need to take a stronger on-field leadership role for the defense to play more consistently this season.

AN 'EXPLOSIVE' PHILLIPS

Two years ago, Kenny Phillips (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11265/kenny-phillips) was on the verge of breaking out as one of the top safeties in the NFL. But he lost his 2009 season to a left knee injury, spent the 2009-10 offseason rehabbing the knee and wasn't the same player when he returned in 2010. This year, Phillips said, he was able to condition himself the way he normally would for a season, rather than have to rehab, and believes it has made a huge difference. "Just being more explosive," Phillips said. "Last year, just seeing the field, it was kind of difficult at times, because I'd been away from the game, to be able to break on the ball -- to actually see it and then be able to get to it. But this year, now, everything is just fluid. My technique and everything is sound. I just feel good about everything this year." Phillips said he learned a lot last season playing and working with veteran safety Deon Grant (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/2188/deon-grant) (who remains an unsigned free agent), and that, with his physical ability fully restored, he believes he'll be a better player.

OBSERVATION DECK

Hixon could be a very important player for the Giants if he's recovered from his knee injury. He showed ability to play that slot receiver position when he was healthy, and will get a chance to show it again, though it seems clear the Giants would like to have multiple options there in case something goes wrong.

Linval Joseph (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13281/linval-joseph), the 2010 second-round pick, would seem to have the playing-time edge at defensive tackle over 2011 second-round pick Marvin Austin (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14025/marvin-austin). But each brings impressive size and agility to the position, and between them the Giants should be able to capably replace Barry Cofield (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/9710/barry-cofield), who signed with Washington.

The starting secondary of Phillips, Antrel Rolle (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/8423/antrel-rolle), Terrell Thomas (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11297/terrell-thomas) and Corey Webster (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/8457/corey-webster) looks excellent in practice. The question is whether there's enough depth behind those guys if there's an injury. Cornerbacks Michael Coe (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/10616/michael-coe) and Brian Witherspoon (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11909/brian-witherspoon) and safety Tyler Sash (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14126/tyler-sash) have a chance to earn playing time with Prince Amukamara (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13975/prince-amukamara) hurt and Grant not re-signed. Witherspoon has been impressive on special teams and looked good in Saturday's game. Sash appears to be very athletic, but he needs to play with more discipline.

Kiwanuka at linebacker is a work in progress. No question he has the ability to play it, but he overpursued Saturday at times the way a defensive end might.

Even before he left Saturday's preseason game with a thigh injury, kicker Lawrence Tynes (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/3413/lawrence-tynes) looked as though he might be cause for concern. Having missed a few practices as he recovers from knee surgery, Tynes was unable to boot kickoffs out of the back of the end zone the way it seems every other kicker in the league has so far this preseason. And he missed a couple of field goals (though the first was a 56-yarder he shouldn't have been asked to try). Worth keeping an eye on to see how he looks the rest of August.

As for punters, Matt Dodge (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13356/matt-dodge) has looked better than he did in his difficult rookie season, but it's going to be tough for him to beat out Steve Weatherford (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/10127/steve-weatherford), who's just better at the job.

[Spursfan092120]

Eli just said he is in Brady's class. Those words are going to turn his season into an MVP one. If I were to start a team and Peyton/Brady were taken, give me Eli. Eli also did outshine Brady in the superbowl.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

DeSean Jackson said he's the best receiver and punt returner in the NFL..guess that's true too, right? Cuz anytime anybody says something, it must be true...

:lmao gtfoh....

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if your dumb ass took Eli, tbh.

[Dr. Gonzo]

One QB was partying with hot chicks in Mexico..one cries to daddy when he doesn't get what he wants. Now...who needs to grow a sack?


Manning wins that one. Romo was a bitch for putting a piece of average ass in front of his team.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Timmy is an amusing troll. He sure has 90210 reeled in, but of course that's not difficult.

[Spursfan092120]

Manning wins that one. Romo was a bitch for putting a piece of average ass in front of his team.

sheeit..Romo's been a bitch for a while..I know this...just saying he's better, that's all. And hoping for a better season this year. :hat

[Spursfan092120]

Timmy is an amusing troll. He sure has 90210 reeled in, but of course that's not difficult.

:lol

[Dr. Gonzo]

sheeit..Romo's been a bitch for a while..I know this...just saying he's better, that's all. And hoping for a better season this year. :hat

Saying Eli is better than Romo is highly debatable. It's pretty even if you ask me. They are both pretty average.

[Spursfan092120]

Saying Eli is better than Romo is highly debatable. It's pretty even if you ask me. They are both pretty average.

I'd agree...I think Romo's better, tbh..but yeah..up to date, they've both been average. Romo destroys him in the regular season, but then fucks up in the playoffs, pissing off all us Cowboys faithful...but what can you do? If it's your team, it's your fucking team.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I'd agree...I think Romo's better, tbh..but yeah..up to date, they've both been average. Romo destroys him in the regular season, but then fucks up in the playoffs, pissing off all us Cowboys faithful...but what can you do? If it's your team, it's your fucking team.

That was the gayest fucking argument. I try to discuss the game with you and you come up with fucking faggot shit like that.

[Spursfan092120]

That was the gayest fucking argument. I try to discuss the game with you and you come up with fucking faggot shit like that.
Wtf did you want? Stats? Sorry, I'm not Deuce Bigalow...tbh, Romo is an average QB...Manning is an average QB...Romo has more talent, less focus. If he got his head out of his ass, he'd be a really good QB, imo.

[Dr. Gonzo]

:cry If it's your team, it's your fucking team. :cry

[Spursfan092120]

:cry If it's your team, it's your fucking team. :cry

what I mean is, you cheer for your team, even if they're sucking...especially if you grew up on them.

[Dr. Gonzo]

:cry you cheer for your team, even if they're sucking...especially if you grew up on them. :cry

[symple19]

:lmao