the Black man and the art of bandwagoning

[Axe Murderer]

Agreed.

I'm pickin' the Suns to come out of the West.











I know whence I speak and the Suns during this off-season have conjured the precise
mixture of leavings & gettings. Pushing Amare out was genius. Quietly bringing Childress
back across was genius. Somehow/someway getting the Knicks to give up that gigantic
trade exception to enable Hedo was the crowning touch.He'll transcend Nash. Sky's the limit
for this Suns team.

































Nash & Hedo will be the goods, fortifying each other from the opening bell. Childress will blossom under the tutelage of Nash, as will Warrick. JRich is in his contract year.

[NRHector]

:lol

[Giuseppe]

AZ Central, Philadelphia, PA., where Santa Ana kicked a gringo's ass, I exist.

Unstoppable.

[dirk4mvp]

hey what made you think the Suns would win the west?

[lefty]

THeir high octane offense !

[Giuseppe]

hey what made you think the Suns would win the west?

dirk4, stooping to asking Cubby a question. If that don't beat all I have ever seen.

[dirk4mvp]

explain yourself.

[Leetonidas]

Hakim Warrick :lol


Hedo Turkoglu :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Giuseppe]

explain yourself.

Apologize first for your reprehensible behavior toward me and then I'll explain myself. Otherwise, it's strictly heel & toe.

Let us proceed...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Hakim Warrick :lol


Hedo Turkoglu :lmao :lmao :lmao
Josh Childress :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao



getting rid of Amare was a good move :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Giuseppe]

lmcontrollinao!!!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

that response just shows you have no way to counter the fact you have horrible basketball opinions

[Giuseppe]

lmcontrollinao!!!

[pass1st]

I feel sorry for Nash

[Giuseppe]

I feel sorry for Nash

I've no sympathy for Nash. He tarred & feathered Porter. Rode him hard, put him up wet. Beat him like a cross twixt a red headed step child & Ken Norton hung upside down in "Mandingo" his ass beat like a kettle drum.

No, in Nash's case deserves have everything to do with it.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I feel sorry for Nash
Why? Nash is a pig in shit right now. He's playing for a team where winning isn't expected of him and there's absolutely no pressure. He's being paid 8 figures to go out there, "Do his best", and have fun. That's exactly what Nash wants.

[pass1st]

I've no sympathy for Nash. He tarred & feathered Porter. Rode him hard, put him up wet. Beat him like a cross twixt a red headed step child & Ken Norton hung upside down in "Mandingo" his ass beat like a kettle drum.

No, in Nash's case deserves have everything to do with it.

I don't really know what you said for the latter half, but I never have moral critique or praise when I think about what a player deserves. Nash has been one of the best point guards in the league for years and puts up a solid effort every game at the risk of his health (probably holds the record for most broken noses).

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

puts up a solid effort every game
wrong

[DMC]

I don't really know what you said for the latter half, but I never have moral critique or praise when I think about what a player deserves. Nash has been one of the best point guards in the league for years and puts up a solid effort every game at the risk of his health (probably holds the record for most broken noses).
Nash has a solid talent on one end of the floor, aint got shit on the other. Too bad basketball is full court.

If Nash wanted a ring, all he had to do was say so during his MVP years. Mike D should have been shit canned years earlier and a defensive specialist should have been brought in, but then Nash wouldn't have those MVPs because a bigger PG with less finesse and better defense would have run the show.

[pass1st]

wrong

You're entitled to your own penchant conjecture.


Nash has a solid talent on one end of the floor, aint got shit on the other. Too bad basketball is full court.

If Nash wanted a ring, all he had to do was say so during his MVP years. Mike D should have been shit canned years earlier and a defensive specialist should have been brought in, but then Nash wouldn't have those MVPs because a bigger PG with less finesse and better defense would have run the show.

Defense was always his liability, true. Reason I always felt sorry for Nash is because his prime seemed to be wasted. He isn't really the kind of player that can carry a team, but could lead one well enough. I followed the Suns for a while and it never felt like Nash was in the kind of team that needed him. Suns should have realized that a while ago and moved him somewhere when he was a valuable asset.

[Giuseppe]

Nash is a loser. In a winner's circle. It happens.

[DMC]

You're entitled to your own penchant conjecture.



Defense was always his liability, true. Reason I always felt sorry for Nash is because his prime seemed to be wasted. He isn't really the kind of player that can carry a team, but could lead one well enough. I followed the Suns for a while and it never felt like Nash was in the kind of team that needed him. Suns should have realized that a while ago and moved him somewhere when he was a valuable asset.

Chris Quinn had his prime wasted as well. You know what? Nash had his prime wasted because he wasn't what was needed to win championships. It's the same reason Chris Paul is having his prime wasted, and why all these guys who get franchise money for being a PG are having their primes wasted. He's lucky to have seen any awards at all. J-Kidd with the cast that Nash had, add a decent coach who realizes there's a 24 second shot clock for a reason, and the Suns would have been borderline impossible to stop.

[DMC]

Nash is a loser. In a winner's circle. It happens.
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[dirk4mvp]

Apologize first for your reprehensible behavior toward me and then I'll explain myself. Otherwise, it's strictly heel & toe.

Let us proceed...


You're the wrongest anyone could ever be about a team prediction in any sport. I ain't apologizing for you being a certified retard. Explain yourself.

[Giuseppe]

You're the wrongest anyone could ever be about a team prediction in any sport. I ain't apologizing for you being a certified retard. Explain yourself.

No fucking way. You've talked out of both sides of your mouth toward me. One minute you're kissing my balloon knot, slathering all over it, gently blowing warm breath on it, making it moist & gooey and loosey & goosey. But I digress. The next, you're calling me everything but a white man. I demand satisfaction. I'll have your apology on my desk, or you can go pound salt.

And that is just the way it's goona be.

Now,

Let us proceed...

[pass1st]

Chris Quinn had his prime wasted as well. You know what? Nash had his prime wasted because he wasn't what was needed to win championships. It's the same reason Chris Paul is having his prime wasted, and why all these guys who get franchise money for being a PG are having their primes wasted. He's lucky to have seen any awards at all. J-Kidd with the cast that Nash had, add a decent coach who realizes there's a 24 second shot clock for a reason, and the Suns would have been borderline impossible to stop.

A lot of people have had their primes wasted, and I'm sorry for most of them. I like to believe that it's not all the player's part, but just how the pieces fall together. A pattern that I noticed for a long time is that a team that was built around a PG tends to fail with a few exceptions. I feel sorry for Nash because he's a piece, not the board; he should have been there to compliment a player that's the focus of a team. I believe it had to be a player that's different to Amare.

[dirk4mvp]

No fucking way. You've talked out of both sides of your mouth toward me. One minute you're kissing my balloon knot, slathering all over it, gently blowing warm breath on it, making it moist & gooey and loosey & goosey. But I digress. The next, you're calling me everything but a white man. I demand satisfaction. I'll have your apology on my desk, or you can go pound salt.

And that is just the way it's goona be.

Now,

Let us proceed...

You ain't gettin shit until you explain your retarded opinion about the Suns winning the west.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You're entitled to your own penchant conjecture.
It's not conjecture. Nash quit to get Porter fired and get Shaq traded. He's all but admitted doing such. It's OK, Kobe quit to light a fire under the Lakers' F.O. and trade for Gasol. In the NBA, quitting is the best way to get what you want.

[Giuseppe]

^Duncan, gettin' his fart catcher on.

lmemulatedao!!!

[Giuseppe]

You ain't gettin shit until you explain your retarded opinion about the Suns winning the west.

lmcontrollinao!!!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

^Duncan, gettin' his fart catcher on.

lmemulatedao!!!
I'm not emulating shit. I've never been afraid to shout Nash quit just as loud as you shout it. Nash quitting in 2009 isn't your opinion, it's more or less fact.

[pass1st]

It's not conjecture. Nash quit to get Porter fired and get Shaq traded. He's all but admitted doing such. It's OK, Kobe quit to light a fire under the Lakers' F.O. and trade for Gasol. In the NBA, quitting is the best way to get what you want.

How many games was that out of 1000+ and how does it effect the relative notion of putting on consistent effort?

[DMC]

A lot of people have had their primes wasted, and I'm sorry for most of them. I like to believe that it's not all the player's part, but just how the pieces fall together. A pattern that I noticed for a long time is that a team that was built around a PG tends to fail with a few exceptions. I feel sorry for Nash because he's a piece, not the board; he should have been there to compliment a player that's the focus of a team. I believe it had to be a player that's different to Amare.

Look at Robert Horry's career. There's a guy who knew what chasing a ring meant, and he did it as well if not better than anyone in history.

You either play for money, for the fans or for the ring. Nash should have known when Dallas let him go that he was not seen as a championship level player at his position with his complete lack of defensive skills. Sure he can put on a show, shoot the ball and drive and dish with the best, but he's always been a liability and every other team in the league knew it. Nash knew it. He chose the money and the local venue. He could have gone elsewhere for league minimum and would likely have won a ring like Payton did, like Finley did, like Kidd did, like KG did, like Ray Allen did, but no, so fuck him. He gets what he wanted.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

How many games was that out of 1000+ and how does it effect the relative notion of putting on consistent effort?
It was easily 40+ games during the 2009 season.

I'd also challenge the notion he put in a consistent effort. I think he had plenty of nights where he half assed it on a certain end of the court.

[dirk4mvp]

lmcontrollinao!!!

The only thing you control is your ability to post awful basketball takes.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Look at Robert Horry's career. There's a guy who knew what chasing a ring meant, and he did it as well if not better than anyone in history.

You either play for money, for the fans or for the ring. Nash should have known when Dallas let him go that he was not seen as a championship level player at his position with his complete lack of defensive skills. Sure he can put on a show, shoot the ball and drive and dish with the best, but he's always been a liability and every other team in the league knew it. Nash knew it. He chose the money and the local venue. He could have gone elsewhere for league minimum and would likely have won a ring like Payton did, like Finley did, like Kidd did, like KG did, like Ray Allen did, but no, so fuck him. He gets what he wanted.
This.

Nash signed an extension in the 2009 off season worth $22,000,000. He chose financial security over the ability to chose a team when his contract expired after the 2010 season. He got exactly what he chose. An 8 figure salary on a non-contender.

[pass1st]

It was easily 40+ games during the 2009 season.

I'd also challenge the notion he put in a consistent effort. I think he had plenty of nights where he half assed it on a certain end of the court.

Never said he was a good defender, but then again I said effort in a relative sense. Most star players are told not to put too much effort on defense, especially if they aren't very athletic and would gas quickly in 4 quarters of play.

[Giuseppe]

I'm not emulating shit. I've never been afraid to shout Nash quit just as loud as you shout it. Nash quitting in 2009 isn't your opinion, it's more or less fact.

I struck the templatePERIOD

[Giuseppe]

The only thing you control is your ability to post awful basketball takes.

lmcontrollinao!!!

[Giuseppe]

You either play for money, for the fans or for the ring. Nash should have known when Dallas let him go that he was not seen as a championship level player at his position with his complete lack of defensive skills. Sure he can put on a show, shoot the ball and drive and dish with the best, but he's always been a liability and every other team in the league knew it. Nash knew it. He chose the money and the local venue. He could have gone elsewhere for league minimum and would likely have won a ring like Payton did, like Finley did, like Kidd did, like KG did, like Ray Allen did, but no, so fuck him. He gets what he wanted.

The goods|||comprehensive style.

[dirk4mvp]

I think my posts are interesting!
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[Giuseppe]

^Yet you used to literally beg me to IM with you. I almost thought you were trying to lure and seduce me. And I almost didn't mind.

[dirk4mvp]

I know how to use the internet!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/1/14/20091009163519!Ralph_Wiggum.png

[Stalin]

Picking a team to come out of the west, and they don't even make the playoffs, is a pretty bad prediction, tbh.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Sup Stalin

I know you didn't care for Jews much, but thanks for ending the Holocaust tbh

[Stalin]

I skull fucked those nazis good, tbh.