So...no one else watched the Republican debate last night?

[JoeChalupa]

Didn't see a thread but I watched it. Bachman did pretty well against the attacks from Pawlenty although her touting her "light bulb" bill wasn't a great idea. Romney was solid and Newt was fired up. Huntsman looked out of place and unprepared. Ron Paul was....well Ron Paul. Cain did okay but won't much more support. Santorum was pleading for some air time and then had the gall to say that Iran suppresses gay rights.
Rick Perry even got some airtime and he wasn't even there. :lol

Romney is still clearly the front-runner until Perry officially throws his ten gallon hat in the ring.

[Drachen]

Didn't see a thread but I watched it. Bachman did pretty well against the attacks from Pawlenty although her touting her "light bulb" bill wasn't a great idea. Romney was solid and Newt was fired up. Huntsman looked out of place and unprepared. Ron Paul was....well Ron Paul. Cain did okay but won't much more support. Santorum was pleading for some air time and then had the gall to say that Iran suppresses gay rights.
Rick Perry even got some airtime and he wasn't even there. :lol

Romney is still clearly the front-runner until Perry officially throws his ten gallon hat in the ring.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/entries/icons/original/000/006/026/futuramafry.jpg?1307461431
Can't tell if Punning.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

"had the gall to say that Iran suppresses gay rights"

You do realize they publicly execute gays, right? I understand you're all about the R's and D's, but I just had to break it to you. <shrugs> Sorry.

psssssst. They even tell women to cover themselves.

[coyotes_geek]

No point to watching. It's Perry v. Romney and everybody else is kidding themselves.

[Drachen]

"had the gall to say that Iran suppresses gay rights"

You do realize they publicly execute gays, right? I understand you're all about the R's and D's, but I just had to break it to you. <shrugs> Sorry.

psssssst. They even tell women to cover themselves.

I am honestly not sure, but maybe he was pointing out the hypocrisy of a nation (generally) and a party (specifically) pointing out a specific issue of human rights neglect. If this is Chalupa's point and the republicans (or americans in general) find it despicable that Iran would abuse the human rights of a subset of the population, then perhaps there should be some self reflection. Its easy to make one feel better by saying that "they take their lives, we only make their lives miserable" but the fact remains that taking away one's rights is still taking away one's rights.

All that being said, I didn't see the debate so maybe he said this jokingly or reverently.

[Bender]

Is there some Planetary Law that says every country on the planet has to have the same viewpoints, beliefs and laws as the USA?

[ManuBalboa]

Shit was funny. "AND i fought for America's right to keep their light bulbs..."

lol wut

[ManuBalboa]

Is there some Planetary Law that says every country on the planet has to have the same viewpoints, beliefs and laws as the USA?

Ron Paul 2012!

[Th'Pusher]

I watched a little of it. The best question was directed to Bachman when they asked her if she'd be submissive to her husband as POTUS as she said she was when he asked told her to study tax law even though she didn't want to. Of course she didn't answer the question.

I also liked watching all 8 candidates raise their hand when asked if they'd walk away from a budget deal that had 10 to 1 ratio of cuts to tax rises. Not a single one of those morons would even contemplate a deal even if it was ridiculously lopsided in their favor.

[JoeChalupa]

"had the gall to say that Iran suppresses gay rights"

You do realize they publicly execute gays, right? I understand you're all about the R's and D's, but I just had to break it to you. <shrugs> Sorry.

psssssst. They even tell women to cover themselves.

Yes, I do but Santorum isn't a supporter of gay rights.

[DarkReign]

"Corporations are people, my friend."
-Mitt Romney

[JoeChalupa]

I am honestly not sure, but maybe he was pointing out the hypocrisy of a nation (generally) and a party (specifically) pointing out a specific issue of human rights neglect. If this is Chalupa's point and the republicans (or americans in general) find it despicable that Iran would abuse the human rights of a subset of the population, then perhaps there should be some self reflection. Its easy to make one feel better by saying that "they take their lives, we only make their lives miserable" but the fact remains that taking away one's rights is still taking away one's rights.

All that being said, I didn't see the debate so maybe he said this jokingly or reverently.

:tu Yes, that was my point.

[JoeChalupa]

Santorum actually sounded like a moderate when it came to the debt ceiling. He basically flat out told Bachmann that voting "no" just to prove a point was stupid. She would have rather the US go into default than to compromise and she still thinks things would not be any worse had the US defaulted.

[coyotes_geek]

I also liked watching all 8 candidates raise their hand when asked if they'd walk away from a budget deal that had 10 to 1 ratio of cuts to tax rises. Not a single one of those morons would even contemplate a deal even if it was ridiculously lopsided in their favor.

Meh, you can't really read anything into that. It's an absolute trap question for them.

Yes, it's a fact that it would be stupid to kill a deal with a 10:1 ratio in their favor. Yes, it's also a fact that some of the GOP contenders really are that stupid (hey bachmann, looking at you sweet cheeks!). But it's also a fact that anyone who admitted that they would take that deal would be committing political suicide. They would be branded by their republican opponents, democrats and the media as someone who was okay with raising taxes, and for a republican hopeful, that's the end of your campaign right there. There was only one way for them to answer that question.

That's why debates are bullshit and I can't get in to following them. There's no way to know whether a candidate is telling you what he thinks or what he wants you to hear.

[Th'Pusher]

Meh, you can't really read anything into that. It's an absolute trap question for them.

Yes, it's a fact that it would be stupid to kill a deal with a 10:1 ratio in their favor. Yes, it's also a fact that some of the GOP contenders really are that stupid (hey bachmann, looking at you sweet cheeks!). But it's also a fact that anyone who admitted that they would take that deal would be committing political suicide. They would be branded by their republican opponents, democrats and the media as someone who was okay with raising taxes, and for a republican hopeful, that's the end of your campaign right there. There was only one way for them to answer that question.

That's why debates are bullshit and I can't get in to following them. There's no way to know whether a candidate is telling you what he thinks or what he wants you to hear.

I get that. Though, it's a good talking point for Obama to show his opponent's complete intransigence. Short of the morons in the tea party, there is not a voter in the US that wouldn't take that deal.

[JoeChalupa]

So political suicide is worse than doing what is right and needed. That is one thing I'll give Obama is that while he may know it is political suicide to suggest cuts to SS and medicare he is willing to do it to get the job done and suffer the consequences...even if does mean a one term presidency. Too many in congress are more concerned about getting re-elected and upsetting their constituents than in doing what is best. They are not willing to work together because the other side would get credit and we all know the republicans don't want to give Obama nothing and Mitch even stated his main objective is to make Obama a one term president. Truly sad.

[Drachen]

So political suicide is worse than doing what is right and needed. That is one thing I'll give Obama is that while he may know it is political suicide to suggest cuts to SS and medicare he is willing to do it to get the job done and suffer the consequences...even if does mean a one term presidency. Too many in congress are more concerned about getting re-elected and upsetting their constituents than in doing what is best. They are not willing to work together because the other side would get credit and we all know the republicans don't want to give Obama nothing and Mitch even stated his main objective is to make Obama a one term president. Truly sad.

I am not usually one to defend republicans, but I am generally fair so the paul ryan bill that all of those congressional republicans publicly (if not begrudgingly) support. That bill had specific cuts to medicare.

[boutons_deux]

"bending the curve down" of Medicare/medicaid is not achieved "Christian-ly", death-panel-ly by denying sick-care to the old and poor.

Since it's pretty clear Americans are fully satisfied about inflicting themselves with life-style diseases and being inflicted with disease by UCA (chemicals, shitty food-like substances), we can't expect Americans to take care of themselves as a way of reducing the nation's health bill.

The only way to reduce the fraud, waste, and excess profits of the health-care industry.

I suggest expanding a VA type system to everybody, pay medical education if they remain govt-salaried doctors for 20 years.

[JoeChalupa]

My point is that they would rather see the Country default than compromise. Is not the good of the many more important than the needs of the few?

[CosmicCowboy]

So political suicide is worse than doing what is right and needed. That is one thing I'll give Obama is that while he may know it is political suicide to suggest cuts to SS and medicare he is willing to do it to get the job done and suffer the consequences...even if does mean a one term presidency. Too many in congress are more concerned about getting re-elected and upsetting their constituents than in doing what is best. They are not willing to work together because the other side would get credit and we all know the republicans don't want to give Obama nothing and Mitch even stated his main objective is to make Obama a one term president. Truly sad.

The only medicare reform Obama specifically mentioned was means testing, which was just one more prong of his class warfare bullshit for his hardcore base. Don't go trying to paint that cocksucker as some noble altruist.

[JoeChalupa]

The only medicare reform Obama specifically mentioned was means testing, which was just one more prong of his class warfare bullshit for his hardcore base. Don't go trying to paint that cocksucker as some noble altruist.

My point is he was willing to go there. And leave your cocksucking thoughts to yourself please.

[Th'Pusher]

The only medicare reform Obama specifically mentioned was means testing, which was just one more prong of his class warfare bullshit for his hardcore base. Don't go trying to paint that cocksucker as some noble altruist.

That's not true. He talked about upping the eligibility age.

[ElNono]

I read the cliff notes this morning... nothing new looks like.

[CosmicCowboy]

That's not true. He talked about upping the eligibility age.

Yeah, right. A quid quo pro for raising taxes a trillion dollars. He knew it wasn't going anywhere. Pure political posturing.

[boutons_deux]

"Pure political posturing."

As if the Repugs had the (lower 95% of the) country's best interests as their priority.

[CosmicCowboy]

I didn't say the republicans were any better.

[Th'Pusher]

Yeah, right. A quid quo pro for raising taxes a trillion dollars. He knew it wasn't going anywhere. Pure political posturing.

He was negotiating. In the end the republicans decided it was more important to preserve tax breaks than to address entitlements.

[RandomGuy]

Bachmann 2012!

I want a Bachmann/Palin GOP ticket. That would be awesome!




(for Democrats)



Barring that, I would settle for Perry/Bachmann. Another awesome ticket.


(for Democrats)



We will be served, yet again, a choice between a shit sandwich and a giant douchebag.

The only question is what flavor shit the GOP sandwich is gonig to end up being.

[RandomGuy]

He was negotiating. In the end the republicans decided it was more important to preserve tax breaks than to address entitlements.

Pretty much. It was a punt, and a nod to the power of the Norquistian straightjacket.


"The ship is sinking"

"Well, I signed a pledge not to fix holes, so we will have to keep from sinking by bailing harder!"

[George Gervin's Afro]

The only medicare reform Obama specifically mentioned was means testing, which was just one more prong of his class warfare bullshit for his hardcore base. Don't go trying to paint that cocksucker as some noble altruist.

actually he also mentioned increasing the reitrement age to 67.


ignorant ass

[CosmicCowboy]

actually he also mentioned increasing the reitrement age to 67.


ignorant ass

Actually, he never said it publicly. Anonymous "sources" said he said it.

ignorant ass.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Yeah, right. A quid quo pro for raising taxes a trillion dollars. He knew it wasn't going anywhere. Pure political posturing.

Not only were you lying, you were wrong..nice job

[CosmicCowboy]

Not only were you lying, you were wrong..nice job

Provide a direct quote, bitch.

You can't.

ignorant ass.

[CosmicCowboy]

*crickets*

[RandomGuy]

Actually, he never said it publicly. Anonymous "sources" said he said it.

ignorant ass.


That’s why we need a balanced approach to cutting the deficit. We need an approach that goes after waste in the budget and gets rid of pet projects that cost billions of dollars. We need an approach that makes some serious cuts to worthy programs – cuts I wouldn’t make under normal circumstances. And we need an approach that asks everybody to do their part.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/07/23/weekly-address-bipartisan-approach-strengthening-economy

Raising the age to 67 and other similar changes to reduce the long term liability have been commonly and repeatedly discussed and was certainly presented to him as an option by his advisors.

Given some of his remarks directly seem to speak to that it would not seem all to unreasonable that he put it out there as a possibility he would be willing to accept "cuts I wouldn’t make under normal circumstances."

That was what I could find quickly, without an extensive search.

[CosmicCowboy]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/07/23/weekly-address-bipartisan-approach-strengthening-economy

Raising the age to 67 and other similar changes to reduce the long term liability have been commonly and repeatedly discussed and was certainly presented to him as an option by his advisors.

Given some of his remarks directly seem to speak to that it would not seem all to unreasonable that he put it out there as a possibility he would be willing to accept "cuts I wouldn’t make under normal circumstances."

That was what I could find quickly, without an extensive search.

You are correct. He never said it in public.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Actually, he never said it publicly. Anonymous "sources" said he said it.

ignorant ass.

so you did know about it liar...

[ElNono]

Relevant quotes:

September 6, 2008, Speech to the AARP Convention, C-SPAN

"[John McCain's] campaign has...suggest[ed] that the best answer to the growing pressures on Social Security might be to cut cost-of-living adjustments or raise the retirement age. I will not do either."

October 30, 2007, Democratic Debate and Drexel University [PDF]

“Social Security is not in crisis; it is a fundamentally sound system… The best idea is to lift the cap on the payroll tax, potentially exempting middle-class folks, but making sure that the wealthy are paying more of their fair share, a little bit more.”

September 6, 2007, Democratic Debate at Dartmouth College


Obama: I think that lifting the cap is probably going to be the best option. … My personal view is that lifting the cap is much preferable to the other options that are available.

September 21, 2007, Op-ed in Quad City Times, Iowa

"I do not want to cut benefits or raise the retirement age. I believe there are a number of ways we can make Social Security solvent that do not involve placing these added burdens on our seniors."

November 11, 2007, Meet the Press Interview

“I said I will convene a meeting as president where we discuss all of the options that are available. I believe that cutting benefits is not the right answer; and that raising the retirement age is not the best option, particularly when we’ve got people who are still in manufacturing. … I think that the best way to approach this is to adjust the cap on the payroll tax so that people like myself are paying a little bit more and the people who are in need are protected. That is the option that I will be pushing forward.”

April 6, 2008, Philadelphia Democratic Primary Debate

“What I have proposed is that we raise the cap on the payroll tax, because right now millionaires and billionaires don’t have to pay beyond $97,000 a year. Now most firefighters & teachers, they’re not making over $100,000 a year. In fact, only 6% of the population does.”

October 16, 2008, Obama Campaign Video

"The best way forward is to first look to adjust the cap on the payroll tax... What it does allow us to do is to extend the life of Social Security without cutting benefits or raising the retirement age."

[CosmicCowboy]

so you did know about it liar...


How fucking stupid can you be. If Obama said he would raise the retirement age then provide a direct quote or video or STFU.

You can't because it doesn't exist.

[RandomGuy]

So here’s the truth. Around two-thirds of our budget -- two-thirds -- is spent on Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and national security. Two-thirds. Programs like unemployment
insurance, student loans, veterans’ benefits, and tax credits for working families take up another 20 percent. What’s left, after interest on the debt, is just 12 percent for everything else. That’s 12 percent for all of our national priorities -- education, clean energy, medical research, transportation, our national parks, food safety, keeping our air and water clean -- you name it -- all of that accounts for 12 percent of our budget.

Doesn't sound like a guy who is trying to duck the problem, IMO.

He is in trouble with a lot in his own party because he has proposed just such changes.

"Anonymous sources" they may be, but they do not say anything that appears contradicted by what the man *has* said.

Can I find an exact quote? No.
Does it conflict with what he has said? No.

Not directly confirmed, but not outside the pale. Make of that what you will.

[CosmicCowboy]

Doesn't sound like a guy who is trying to duck the problem, IMO.

He is in trouble with a lot in his own party because he has proposed just such changes.

"Anonymous sources" they may be, but they do not say anything that appears contradicted by what the man *has* said.

Can I find an exact quote? No.
Does it conflict with what he has said? No.

Not directly confirmed, but not outside the pale. Make of that what you will.

You won't even be able to find a direct quote from someone else (like press secretary Carney) who even SAYS he said it.

[RandomGuy]

Relevant quotes:

September 6, 2008, Speech to the AARP Convention, C-SPAN

"[John McCain's] campaign has...suggest[ed] that the best answer to the growing pressures on Social Security might be to cut cost-of-living adjustments or raise the retirement age. I will not do either."

October 30, 2007, Democratic Debate and Drexel University [PDF]

“Social Security is not in crisis; it is a fundamentally sound system… The best idea is to lift the cap on the payroll tax, potentially exempting middle-class folks, but making sure that the wealthy are paying more of their fair share, a little bit more.”

September 6, 2007, Democratic Debate at Dartmouth College


Obama: I think that lifting the cap is probably going to be the best option. … My personal view is that lifting the cap is much preferable to the other options that are available.

September 21, 2007, Op-ed in Quad City Times, Iowa

"I do not want to cut benefits or raise the retirement age. I believe there are a number of ways we can make Social Security solvent that do not involve placing these added burdens on our seniors."

November 11, 2007, Meet the Press Interview

“I said I will convene a meeting as president where we discuss all of the options that are available. I believe that cutting benefits is not the right answer; and that raising the retirement age is not the best option, particularly when we’ve got people who are still in manufacturing. … I think that the best way to approach this is to adjust the cap on the payroll tax so that people like myself are paying a little bit more and the people who are in need are protected. That is the option that I will be pushing forward.”

April 6, 2008, Philadelphia Democratic Primary Debate

“What I have proposed is that we raise the cap on the payroll tax, because right now millionaires and billionaires don’t have to pay beyond $97,000 a year. Now most firefighters & teachers, they’re not making over $100,000 a year. In fact, only 6% of the population does.”

October 16, 2008, Obama Campaign Video

"The best way forward is to first look to adjust the cap on the payroll tax... What it does allow us to do is to extend the life of Social Security without cutting benefits or raising the retirement age."

I expected President Obama to fuck over Candidate Obama somewhat, and took a lot of that for :jack

I think a rather inexperienced guy said a lot of pretty things, and once he got into the White House, the people who actually know most about this shit gave him MUCH better information than he probably had access to as a candidate.

Still, it is galling to me just how much shit he has gone back on. I don't think he has tried very hard at all, Health Care Reform aside, to advance a "liberal" agenda, vacuous Fox "news" blathering notwithstanding.

[ElNono]

I'm just the messenger

[RandomGuy]

You won't even be able to find a direct quote from someone else (like press secretary Carney) who even SAYS he said it.

Nope. He wants to be re-elected.

You would be hard pressed to find a Republican in Congress saying anything similar, although we all know it has to be done at some point.

[CosmicCowboy]

Nope. He wants to be re-elected.

You would be hard pressed to find a Republican in Congress saying anything similar, although we all know it has to be done at some point.

Paul Ryan certainly got flamed for suggesting it.

[CosmicCowboy]

Still, I find it amusing how the media has perpetuated the myth that Obama put the retirement age in play in the inteest of being "fair and balanced" so well that you guys actually believed he said it.

[ElNono]

Paul Ryan certainly got flamed for suggesting it.

Paul Ryan said a lot of things... much like Barry...

[ElNono]

The other problem Barry has if he does raise it is breaking yet another campaign promise. I would actually like to see him come through with raising the cap, but that ain't happening either.

[DarrinS]

Bachmann 2012!

I want a Bachmann/Palin GOP ticket. That would be awesome!

(for Democrats)

We will be served, yet again, a choice between a shit sandwich and a giant douchebag.

The only question is what flavor shit the GOP sandwich is gonig to end up being.


An Obama/Biden ticket would be another disaster

(for Americans)

[SnakeBoy]

Didn't see a thread but I watched it. Bachman did pretty well against the attacks from Pawlenty although her touting her "light bulb" bill wasn't a great idea. Romney was solid and Newt was fired up. Huntsman looked out of place and unprepared. Ron Paul was....well Ron Paul. Cain did okay but won't much more support. Santorum was pleading for some air time and then had the gall to say that Iran suppresses gay rights.
Rick Perry even got some airtime and he wasn't even there. :lol

Romney is still clearly the front-runner until Perry officially throws his ten gallon hat in the ring.

I watched it too and thought it was quite entertaining. I thought Cain did very well but agree that he still won't gain any traction from it. Bachman opened with a mistake by starting off with her tired "Obama will be a one term president" line immediately after Bret Baier had asked them to speak from the heart and not use rehearsed campaign lines. She was bailed out in the debate by Pawlenty's relentless and ineffective attacks. Pawlenty hurt himself badly. Romney looked to be playing in a higher league and it was interesting that no one really tried to challenge him.

Newt attacking Fox News for gotcha questions was pretty funny but Santorum going after Paul on Iran was the most entertaining part of the debate.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm already tired of Michelle Bachmann. I can't imagine having to listen to her for 4 years as President Bachmann. That would be almost worse than listening to Obama whine all the time.

[jack sommerset]

I'm already tired of Michelle Bachmann. I can't imagine having to listen to her for 4 years as President Bachmann. That would be almost worse than listening to Obama whine all the time.

No way. I like Newt the best last night but it doesn't matter cause I'll take anyone that wins the nomination.

[ElNono]

Go Red team

[Blake]

No way. I like Newt the best last night but it doesn't matter cause I'll take anyone that wins the nomination.

No way I can take any of these republican honks for 4-8 years, except for mayyyybe Romney.

[Doug Whiner]

I'm already tired of Michelle Bachmann. I can't imagine having to listen to her for 4 years as President Bachmann. That would be almost worse than listening to Obama whine all the time.

You are quite the whiner yourself. Welcome to the family.

[boutons_deux]

trashin the crazy dominionist bitch:

Bachmann Claims ‘S&P Essentially Proved Me Right’ — S&P Really Disagrees

We just heard from Standard & Poor’s, when they dropped our credit rating and what they said is we don’t have an ability to repay our debt. That’s what the final word was from them. I was proved right in my position. We should not have raised the debt ceiling.

After this performance, it’s blatantly clear that Bachmann has no idea what S&P said, because just about every word out of her mouth regarding the agency’s decision was incorrect. For starters, S&P never said “we don’t have an ability to pay our debt.” After all, the agency still rates the U.S. as AA+, meaning it has a “very strong capacity to meet financial commitments.” One S&P analyst characterized the difference between AA+ and AAA as just “degrees of excellence.”

A Standard & Poor’s director added one more justification

Without specifically mentioning Republicans, S&P senior director Joydeep Mukherji said the stability and effectiveness of American political institutions were undermined by the fact that “people in the political arena were even talking about a potential default,” Mukherji said.

“That a country even has such voices, albeit a minority, is something notable,” he added. “This kind of rhetoric is not common amongst AAA sovereigns.”

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/08/12/294557/bachmann-sp-proved-right/

===

Of course red-state "Christian" idiots who elect and support Bachmann prefer Bachmann's made-up facts and irrationality, won't even admit she's egregriously batshit and wrong.

[Wild Cobra]

I'm already tired of Michelle Bachmann. I can't imagine having to listen to her for 4 years as President Bachmann. That would be almost worse than listening to Obama whine all the time.
Really?

How could it possibly be as bad as Obama?

[Wild Cobra]

No way. I like Newt the best last night but it doesn't matter cause I'll take anyone that wins the nomination.
Same here. I probably won't keep up with the primary. Who ever wins the nomination has my vote against Obama.

[George Gervin's Afro]

No way. I like Newt the best last night but it doesn't matter cause I'll take anyone that wins the nomination.

but he's a cheater and a liar dummy....I thought you hated liars

[Wild Cobra]

but he's a cheater and a liar dummy....I thought you hated liars
How many times has the term "lesser of two evils" been used here?

[Winehole23]

By you, here? Hundreds of times probably.

[Wild Cobra]

By you, here? Hundreds of times probably.
But am I the only one that votes that way?

Tell me... Does your vote always go to someone you agree with completely?

[Winehole23]

zero/one

[boutons_deux]

FactChecking Iowa Debate


Herman Cain denied ever saying that communities have the right to ban mosques. But he did, in fact, say that.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney made the misleading claim that his state's "unemployment was below the federal level three of the four years I was in office." Yes, but the state rate was lower than the national rate before he took office and higher when he left.

Romney also falsely suggested President Obama has never held a job, saying: "I think in order to create jobs, it's helpful to have had a job."

Michele Bachmann wrongly said that raising the debt ceiling gave Obama a "blank check." But the set amount of money will be used to pay obligations Congress has authorized.

Ron Paul said the CIA told him that there is "no evidence" Iran is "working on" a nuclear weapon. There's no solid proof, but the International Atomic Energy Agency says there are "possible military dimensions" to Iran's nuclear program.

Bachmann also said that Tim Pawlenty "wanted" to institute an individual mandate requiring people to buy insurance in Minnesota. Pawlenty said he was "open to" the idea, but that's not the same as wanting to do it.

Newt Gingrich said that one of the moderators was "handpicking" quotes "that fit your premise." But the Fox News anchor quoted Gingrich's comments on Libya accurately.

Rick Santorum exaggerated a bit in saying the U.S. borrows "42 cents of every dollar." The figure is currently 37 cents.

http://factcheck.org/2011/08/factchecking-iowa-debate/

[fraga]

http://videogoneviral.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Bachmann.jpg

Vote for meAH#$%@$!!!

[4>0rings]

"had the gall to say that Iran suppresses gay rights"

You do realize they publicly execute gays, right? I understand you're all about the R's and D's, but I just had to break it to you. <shrugs> Sorry.



Props to Iran for helping the human species. If you can't propagate the humans species, then you are a mistake, an error, something that should be put to death asap as they are not beneficial to helping the species grow. The only reason we exist, and they are not part of it.

[JoeChalupa]

Bachman wins the straw poll. She better enjoy it while she can because just like Palin..she no chance in hell of winning the nomination especially now that the cowboy entered the race.

[DarrinS]

http://videogoneviral.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Bachmann.jpg

Vote for meAH#$%@$!!!

How did Newsweak miss that?

[SnakeBoy]

My man McCotter finished in the top 10...look out.

[boutons_deux]

S & P Downgrades Iowa's IQ


Straw Poll Alarms Ratings Agency

AMES, IOWA (The Borowitz Report) – Calling the results off today's Iowa straw poll “alarming,â€� Standard and Poor’s took the unprecedented action of downgrading Iowa’s IQ.

While the effects of such an extraordinary measure are hard to predict, experts say the IQ downgrade could result in Iowans having difficulty completing sentences or operating a television remote.

“This downgrade would be very upsetting to Republicans in Iowa,� said an S & P spokesman. “Fortunately, there’s no way they’ll understand it.�

The winner in the straw poll, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn), gave a rousing victory speech that was simulcast in English across the state.

But there may be tough sledding ahead for Rep. Bachmann, as a new poll shows her losing support to Texas Governor Rick Perry among voters who describe themselves as morons.

Gov. Perry kicked off his presidential campaign today in South Carolina, unveiling a new stump speech in which he promised to repeal the twentieth century.

[Drachen]

My man McCotter finished in the top 10...look out.

Thats just thad...

[boutons_deux]

Ames straw poll shows how freaky IOWA is (eg, their guy King) and how meaningless IOWA's voter preferences are. What a useless distraction by less than 1% of the US population.

Bachmann, Paul soar in Iowa’s straw poll

AMES, Iowa - Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota won the Republican straw poll here last night, giving her campaign a significant boost while severely clouding the future of her home-state rival, former governor Tim Pawlenty.

Bachmann won 28.6 percent of the votes, becoming the first female candidate to win the informal contest in a state that holds the first-in-the-nation caucuses. Pawlenty came in third, trailing Representative Ron Paul of Texas, which is a severe blow to a campaign that has struggled to show signs of traction.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2011/08/14/bachmann_paul_soar_in_iowas_straw_poll/

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Bachmann and Paul have exactly the same probability of being the candidate: ZERO

[George Gervin's Afro]

Ames straw poll shows how freaky IOWA is (eg, their guy King) and how meaningless IOWA's voter preferences are. What a useless distraction by less than 1% of the US population.

Bachmann, Paul soar in Iowa’s straw poll

AMES, Iowa - Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota won the Republican straw poll here last night, giving her campaign a significant boost while severely clouding the future of her home-state rival, former governor Tim Pawlenty.

Bachmann won 28.6 percent of the votes, becoming the first female candidate to win the informal contest in a state that holds the first-in-the-nation caucuses. Pawlenty came in third, trailing Representative Ron Paul of Texas, which is a severe blow to a campaign that has struggled to show signs of traction.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2011/08/14/bachmann_paul_soar_in_iowas_straw_poll/

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Bachmann and Paul have exactly the same probability of being the candidate: ZERO

Why don't we just give them the nod right now? That's strong ticket for the GOP

[boutons_deux]

Big Oil Pollutes Iowa Straw Poll

The Iowa Energy Forum is an Astroturf effort of the American Petroleum Institute, the big oil lobbying group. “This is the first time the America Petroleum Institute, which sponsors the Iowa Energy Forum and 25 other Energy Forums around the country, has sponsored the Iowa Straw Poll.”

http://thinkprogress.org/green/2011/08/14/295497/big-oil-pollutes-iowa-straw-poll/

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