ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahah

[Blake]

Lets not forget how this all started...


http://www.statesman.com/news/local/ut-tech-to-join-pac-10-742900.html

Blame Nebraska, blame Colorado, blame A&M all you want... there is only 1 school responsible for the demise of this conference. Continue to stick up for them and be their puppet all you want. I'm sure Dodds will make great choices as your commissioner going forward.

Nobody is blaming anyone because the conference isn't finished just yet.

A&M is replacable and will be replaced without a hiccup.

I think OU is the Jenga piece that if pulled will cause it to fall.

[coyotes_geek]

Nobody is blaming anyone because the conference isn't finished just yet.

A&M is replacable and will be replaced without a hiccup.

I think OU is the Jenga piece that if pulled will cause it to fall.

TBH I think Missouri is a bigger jenga piece than OU is. OU will do what Texas does. Missouri OTOH would bolt in an instant if they can ever get that big 10 invite they want.

[Blake]

TBH I think Missouri is a bigger jenga piece than OU is. OU will do what Texas does. Missouri OTOH would bolt in an instant if they can ever get that big 10 invite they want.

Missouri? I think Mizz and any other single north team can be replaced if they are the only one to leave.
If OU always stays with UT, then there will always be a Big XII Conference, imo.

pure speculation of course, but I see it as this:

If OU gets pissed and leaves, then no doubt they will drag OSU along with them.

At that point, it would be UT, Tech, Baylor, Kansas, KST, Iowa St and Mizz which would be beyond crappy. Worse than the finals days of the SWC, imo.

I would think the north schools would then bolt. Big 10 might invite Mizz, MWC would gladly take K and KST, and Iowa St goes to the wgaf.

...leaving UT, Tech and Baylor to either invite the stepkids SMU or Houston or Rice back plus maybe Air Force and BYU......or lol....Texas St and UTSA.....

or Tech goes to the Pac12 and UT goes independent and Baylor goes to the wgaf with Iowa St.

[DMX7]

If Texas leaves, it's over.

[Sisk]

If Texas leaves, it's over.

They can't leave. Thanks for playing.

[ChumpDumper]

They can't leave. Thanks for playing.Why would they? Thanks for leaving but still wanting to play.

[DMX7]

They can't leave. Thanks for playing.

Like Texas A&M can't leave? Thanks for playing. :lol

[Sisk]

Why would they? Thanks for leaving but still wanting to play.

But of course, we're the scared ones.


Like Texas A&M can't leave? Thanks for playing. :lol

Yes, we can.

[ChumpDumper]

But of course, we're the scared ones.lol scared. Unless you're saying UT is afraid of making less money.

Don't bitch when UT doesn't want to do you the favor of playing OOC with you on Thanksgiving in favor of Notre Dame.

Which do you think would make UT more money?

[Sisk]

lol scared. Unless you're saying UT is afraid of making less money.

Don't bitch when UT doesn't want to do you the favor of playing OOC with you on Thanksgiving in favor of Notre Dame.

Which do you think would make UT more money?

Notre Dame plays USC on Thanksgiving next year. Then Stanford. Then USC. You can't just snap your fingers and make a game change dates. I know, it's tough for a sip fan to understand there's a world outside of Austin, but there is. It's doing texas a bigger favor than us. We'll have plenty of great teams to play (Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida, etc.). They'll be playing Iowa State, Kansas State, Baylor, and Tech. We won't need bigger names to have a decent SOS, they will.

Personally, I don't care if we play them anymore after we beat them this year.

If I had to guess, I'd say it will continue immediately.

My second guess, would be that we take a 3-5 year hiatus from playing each other.

Given the choice of staying and playing t.u. every year or moving to the best football conference in the country, you'd be hard pressed to find any Aggie that prefers the former. If they say no, then I really wouldn't care.

[ChumpDumper]

Notre Dame plays USC on Thanksgiving next year. Then Stanford. Then USC. You can't just snap your fingers and make a game change the dates.So just play someone else in the meantime. Aggie thinks because it can't happen in two years means it can never happen.
I know, it's tough for a sip fan to understand there's a world outside of Austin, but there is.Not a fan, I know it's tough for an Aggie to understand there is a world outside of one one-sided college rivalry, but there it is.
It's doing texas a bigger favor than us.:lmao

No, really.

:lmao


We'll have plenty of great teams to play (Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida, etc.). They'll be playing Iowa State, Kansas State, Baylor, and Tech. We won't need bigger names to have a decent SOS, they will.You think UT has trouble scheduling OOC games? :lmao

No, really.

:lmao


Personally, I don't care if we play them anymore after we beat them this year.

If I had to guess, I'd say it will continue immediately.

My second guess, would be that we take a 3-5 year hiatus from playing each other.

Given the choice of staying and playing t.u. every year or moving to the best football conference in the country, you'd be hard pressed to find any Aggie that prefers the former. If they say no, then I really wouldn't care.Yeah, Aggie predictions have been gold in this thread so far.

It may continue. It may not. Whatever happens, A&M will still be obsessed with UT. I think it would be awesome it UT and the rest of the conference just ignored them from now on, but I wouldn't count on it.

[Sisk]

So just play someone else in the meantime. Aggie thinks because it can't happen in two years means it can never happen.Not a fan, I know it's tough for an Aggie to understand there is a world outside of one one-sided college rivalry, but there it is.:lmao


Last 5 years: A&M 3, Texas 2
Last 25: A&M 13, Texas 12
Last 35 years: A&M 18, Texas 17

:lmao



You think UT has trouble scheduling OOC games? :lmao


Did I say that?



Yeah, Aggie predictions have been gold in this thread so far.

Do you honestly believe we aren't leaving to the SEC?



It may continue. It may not. Whatever happens, A&M will still be obsessed with UT. I think it would be awesome it UT and the rest of the conference just ignored them from now on, but I wouldn't count on it.

When a relationship has a person who's madly in love with the other, who breaks up with who? The one who is more interested, or less interested? Try answering that one. We're so obsessed that we're going to leave.

:lmao UTSA logic

[Bruce Wayne]

It's doing texas a bigger favor than us.



:lmao:lmao:lmao More like trying to get out of Texas' shadow.



We'll have plenty of great teams to play (Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida, etc.). They'll be playing Iowa State, Kansas State, Baylor, and Tech. We won't need bigger names to have a decent SOS, they will.


:lmao Like Texas has trouble scheduling OOC games. Who was it that crushed A&M in the last bowl game? BYU was it? :lmao

[DesignatedT]

Who was it that crushed A&M in the last bowl game? BYU was it? :lmao

http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/954-not-sure-if-serious.jpg

[Sisk]

:lmao:lmao:lmao More like trying to get out of Texas' shadow.

You can call it whatever you want, but being in the SEC will be a beautiful thing.

Iowa State
Tech
Baylor
Kansas St.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao


Alabama
Florida
LSU
Auburn



:lmao Like Texas has trouble scheduling OOC games. Who was it that crushed A&M in the last bowl game? BYU was it? :lmao

Are yall both retarded? I didn't say they would have trouble, I said they'd need it more than us. As in, the SOS overall. Following?

The last bowl we played BYU in was in 1990

Texas A&M - 65
BYU - 14

Thanks for the reminder, Batman.

[Fpoonsie]

Alabama
Florida
LSU
Auburn


How does that NOT scare the SHIT outta you?

[Fpoonsie]

*though, looks like LSU's starting QB might be sidelined this coming season after that bar fight, soooo...there's that.

[Sisk]

*though, looks like LSU's starting QB might be sidelined this coming season after that bar fight, soooo...there's that.

I hope he goes to prison, tbh.

[ChumpDumper]

Last 5 years: A&M 3, Texas 2
Last 25: A&M 13, Texas 12
Last 35 years: A&M 18, Texas 17

:lmaoHow many national championships have the Aggies won in the last 35 years?

Would you say the national profile of A&M is equal to that of UT?
Did I say that?
It's doing texas a bigger favor than us. We'll have plenty of great teams to play (Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida, etc.). They'll be playing Iowa State, Kansas State, Baylor, and Tech. We won't need bigger names to have a decent SOS, they will.


Do you honestly believe we aren't leaving to the SEC?Didn't it happen last week like you guys said?


When a relationship has a person who's madly in love with the other, who breaks up with who? The one who is more interested, or less interested? Try answering that one. We're so obsessed that we're going to leave.

:lmao UTSA logicWho said anyone was in love?

:lmao Aggie logic

A&M is still going to be in UT's shadow. The other SEC teams might get some nice Texas high school recruits though. Smart for them.

[Sisk]

How many national championships have the Aggies won?

1



Didn't it happen last week like you guys said?

Roadrunner thinks because it didn't happen last week means it won't happen.



A&M is still going to be in UT's shadow. The other SEC teams might get some nice Texas recruits though. Smart for them.

:lmao

Good luck against Northeastern State!

[ChumpDumper]

1In football? You were talking about football.

What year?


Roadrunner thinks because it didn't happen last week means it won't happen.Aggie thinks Roadrunner was saying it isn't going to happen.


Good luck against Northeastern State!Good luck trying to get out of UT's shadow!

[Sisk]

In football?

What year?

1939



Aggie thinks Roadrunner was saying it isn't going to happen.

So then you believe it will?



Good luck trying to get out of UT's shadow!

Thanks!

[ChumpDumper]

1939:lmao

Aggie thinks 1939 was 35 years ago!

Or, Aggie disingenuously tries to edit Roadrunners question!

Take your pick.


So then you believe it will?Why not?


Thanks!I don't believe that will ever happen, however.

[Sisk]

:lmao

Aggie thinks 1939 was 35 years ago!


Nice edit.



Why not?

Yes or no are the accepted answers.

[Sisk]

Quit editing all of your posts after I quote them.

[ChumpDumper]

?Aggie is confused.


Yes or no are the accepted answers.Aggie laughably tries to dictate the terms of the conversation.

[Sisk]

You've literally edited every one of your posts on this page. How pathetic.

[Sisk]

Aggie is confused.

Aggie laughably tries to dictate the terms of the conversation.

Roadrunner liberal can't answer a yes or no question. No surprise here.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, congrats on the '39 championship. Do you guys still sell t-shirts commemorating it like UT does their last championship?

[ChumpDumper]

Roadrunner liberal can't answer a yes or no question. No surprise here.Aggie nutgrabber doesn't understand connotation of "Why not?"

[Sisk]

Well, congrats on the '39 championship. Do you guys still sell t-shirts commemorating it like UT does their last championship?

I wish. I'd buy one.


Aggie nutgrabber doesn't understand connotation of "Why not?"

Roadrunner... still a roadrunner.

:lmao

Can't answer a yes or no question. What a joke. Have a great day.

Beep beep.

[ChumpDumper]

I wish. I'd buy one.I'm sure you would.


Roadrunner... still a roadrunner.

:lmao

Can't answer a yes or no question.I already did. I can't believe you can't understand it.

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Scratch that.

I do believe you can't understand it.

No edit.

[Bruce Wayne]

http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/954-not-sure-if-serious.jpg


You can call it whatever you want, but being in the SEC will be a beautiful thing.

Iowa State
Tech
Baylor
Kansas St.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao


Alabama
Florida
LSU
Auburn



Are yall both retarded? I didn't say they would have trouble, I said they'd need it more than us. As in, the SOS overall. Following?

The last bowl we played BYU in was in 1990

Texas A&M - 65
BYU - 14

Thanks for the reminder, Batman.

NVM it was 41-24 LSU :lmao

[romad_20]

NVM it was 41-24 LSU :lmao

Don't forget 44-20 vs UGA the year before. :lol

Sorry, for the ball busting but that was the last good game we played :depressed

[Sisk]

Don't forget 44-20 vs UGA the year before. :lol

Sorry, for the ball busting but that was the last good game we played :depressed

:lol

Could win the East this year, though.

[dirk4mvp]

lol mono

lmao arkansas

rofl knile davis

[dirk4mvp]

TiTs

oh my, this is by far the worse made up nickname for a school or team in the history of forever. please kill yourself.

[Axe Murderer]

:lmao

[johngateswhiteley]

this incessant back and forth is juvenile. why anyone would pick on A&M for possibly leaving to the SEC is beyond me. right now they would be competitive; would they win the conference? probably not, but thats not saying much when the SEC winner has won the national title the last 5 years.

A&M has had a rough stretch the last decade, but are currently tracking toward further improvement. more money, exposure, higher level of competition...possibly better recruiting, why is this a bad thing? since when is challenging yourself or having the courage to place yourself in the toughest conference in the country, a point of humor? makes no sense.

challenge is what makes a man, and there is always risk of failure with challenge...

[DMX7]

:cry dose wonghorns keep pickin on us poor ags. we aint retreatin, we attackin in another direction! :cry :cry


poor aggy

:lol

[djohn2oo8]

So what happens when LSU or some other school in the SEC get their own network? Aggies gonna run again?

[Sisk]

So what happens when LSU or some other school in the SEC get their own network? Aggies gonna run again?

:lol

[Axe Murderer]

looks like A&M will probly head to the SEC, good for them.

hopefully Tech bolts to the Pac-whatever sometime soon

[pkbpkb81]

is a&m gone yet

[coyotes_geek]

Missouri? I think Mizz and any other single north team can be replaced if they are the only one to leave.
If OU always stays with UT, then there will always be a Big XII Conference, imo.

pure speculation of course, but I see it as this:

If OU gets pissed and leaves, then no doubt they will drag OSU along with them.

At that point, it would be UT, Tech, Baylor, Kansas, KST, Iowa St and Mizz which would be beyond crappy. Worse than the finals days of the SWC, imo.

I would think the north schools would then bolt. Big 10 might invite Mizz, MWC would gladly take K and KST, and Iowa St goes to the wgaf.

...leaving UT, Tech and Baylor to either invite the stepkids SMU or Houston or Rice back plus maybe Air Force and BYU......or lol....Texas St and UTSA.....

or Tech goes to the Pac12 and UT goes independent and Baylor goes to the wgaf with Iowa St.

Sure, the big12-2-A&M-Mizzou could find a team to take Missouri's place on the schedule, but Mizzou is pretty damn important to the conference in terms of TV's. With Colorado taking the Denver market away, St. Louis is now the only major media market outside of Texas that the conference has.

Texas probably isn't all that worried about the next B12 TV deal, but the rest of the teams in the conference will be. With A&M gone and Texas wanting to put more of their games on their own network, a Missouri defection makes the next tv contract worth that much less.

[Blake]

Sure, the big12-2-A&M-Mizzou could find a team to take Missouri's place on the schedule, but Mizzou is pretty damn important to the conference in terms of TV's. With Colorado taking the Denver market away, St. Louis is now the only major media market outside of Texas that the conference has.

Texas probably isn't all that worried about the next B12 TV deal, but the rest of the teams in the conference will be. With A&M gone and Texas wanting to put more of their games on their own network, a Missouri defection makes the next tv contract worth that much less.

Good points.

I wonder what adding air force and byu would do for contract negotiations.

I've been loling at all the SMU talk. Craig james gets an f for effort

[Blake]

According to Chuck Carlton of the Dallas Morning News, the Big 12 is looking for something in the neighborhood of $28 million from Texas A&M if it wants to leave.

http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/31607833

lol

[coyotes_geek]

Meh. It's a negotiation so it makes sense for the B12 to ask for the sky. Nebraska only had to pay $9 and CU $7, so I don't see any way that A&M would have to pay $28.

[Blake]

Meh. It's a negotiation so it makes sense for the B12 to ask for the sky. Nebraska only had to pay $9 and CU $7, so I don't see any way that A&M would have to pay $28.

seems to me that A&M has little bargaining power.

for pure entertainment sake, I hope the B12 stands firm on the $28M

[coyotes_geek]

seems to me that A&M has little bargaining power.

for pure entertainment sake, I hope the B12 stands firm on the $28M

Wouldn't have thought that Nebraska and Colorado had the bargaining power that they did. We'll see.

They may not be able to get the same exit deal Nebraska & CU got since they're a bigger part of a 10 team conference than they were in a 12 team conference. But my understanding is that they can cut that exit fee in half just by giving two years notice. Would the big 12 want A&M hanging around for an extra year? Don't know. With NU & CU they just wanted to get it over with.

[DesignatedT]

lol guarantee A&M doesn't have to pay 28 mil. IMO i doubt it's anything over 15 mil. Either way, it isn't going to change anything.

[Sisk]

lol guarantee A&M doesn't have to pay 28 mil. IMO i doubt it's anything over 15 mil. Either way, it isn't going to change anything.

All of this.

[Sisk]

No surprise here:



Even though the Big 12 has reached out to the Irish as a possible replacement for Texas A&M should the Aggies bolt for the SEC as is widely assumed, Notre Dame, in all likelihood, is staying put as an independent, its athletic director just told me.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/bohls/entries/2011/08/29/notre_dame_like.html

[Kermit]

Are you guys in the SEC yet?

lol done deal
lol billy liuuuuucci
lol $28 million
lol lhn butthurt

[DesignatedT]

lol thinking were not going
lol Notre dame going to replace us
lol arkansas going to replace us
lol byu going to replace us
lol gunna be stuck with smu or uh

[Blake]

3MyZTPPgsZA

Aggies, tbh

[Sisk]

http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo357/quikaggie/lhnfb.png

KSAT poll last night:

"Would you watch the Longhorn Network if it was available?"

13% Yes
87% No

:lol lhn fail

[Blake]

KSAT poll last night:

"Would you watch the Longhorn Network if it was available?"

13% Yes
87% No

:lol lhn fail

and yet the Aggies remain super butthurt over it

[DMX7]

KSAT poll last night:

"Would you watch the Longhorn Network if it was available?"

13% Yes
87% No

:lol lhn fail

$300,000,000.00 :cry

I noticed the poll posted on Texags. They were circle jerking each other off at the thought of screwing up the poll.

[Sisk]

and yet the Aggies remain super butthurt over it

You aren't very good at reading, are you?


$300,000,000.00 :cry

I noticed the poll posted on Texags. They were circle jerking each other off at the thought of screwing up the poll.

Wait a second... Texas is getting PAID for their network?!

:wow:wow:wow:wow:wow:wow:wow

[Blake]

You aren't very good at reading, are you?


your ass is extremely swole, isnt it.

[coyotes_geek]

New York Times reporting that A&M has notified the big 12 that they're leaving.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/08/29/sports/ncaafootball/AP-FBC-Texas-AM-Big-12-Letter.html?_r=1&ref=ncaafootball

[leemajors]

http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo357/quikaggie/lhnfb.png

KSAT poll last night:

"Would you watch the Longhorn Network if it was available?"

13% Yes
87% No

:lol lhn fail

they'll watch it when the game is on, duh. I believe Uverse is about to announce picking it up.

[Kermit]

So Aggy didn't send the letter yet?

[coyotes_geek]

Apparantely not. The NYT has also changed their story. So, looks like 1) it's not official yet and 2) we can scratch the New York Times off the list of sources to trust on this matter.

That being said, it's just a matter of time.

[Kermit]

Sources to trust....

Billy Liucci? The merkin on his face?

[pkbpkb81]

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6909072/texas-aggies-spokesman-denies-school-sent-withdrawal-letter-big-12

[Sisk]

The NYT laughed at us leaving 2 weeks ago. They don't know anything. Neither does ESPN, who posted a similar story last night.

[Sisk]

Sources to trust....

Billy Liucci? The merkin on his face?

Liucci >>>>>>>>>>>> chip brown

[Kermit]

Liucci >>>>>>>>>>>> chip brown

In being constantly wrong? They're equally shitty and both look like pedophiles.

[pkbpkb81]

per Darren Rovell on twiter the aggies will add no vaule to the sec tv contract

[Kermit]

per Darren Rovell on twiter the aggies will add no vaule to the sec tv contract

You should now expect emails calling you a t-sip faget.

[pkbpkb81]

You should now expect emails calling you a t-sip faget.

lol I could see that happening

[Sisk]

Lol not adding tv money.

[leemajors]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44329182

[Blake]

Lol not adding tv money.

lmao greener pastures

[pkbpkb81]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44329182




While Pilson said it's hard to argue that A&M's addition would dilute the conference, he says the Aggies have "minimal impact." "There are smart people at both ESPN and CBS and I would anticipate that they foresaw this type of contingency," Pilson said. "Based on their record over a period of time, it doesn't appear like Texas A&M is going to be in the top tier of teams in the SEC. So if there's any adjustment to the TV deals, I would anticipate that it would be a very modest adjustment, if anything."

If A&M was added as an equal partner, the TV deals would have to be bumped up by 8.3 percent in order for the SEC members to make the same money they make now off the TV deals. It's not a guarantee that will happen.


lol "minimal impact."


lol sec teams losing money on the deal

[coyotes_geek]

Yeah, the SEC is going to lose money by adding A&M, but they're going to do it anyways just because they like us that much. :rolleyes

[pkbpkb81]

Yeah, the SEC is going to lose money by adding A&M, but they're going to do it anyways just because they like us that much. :rolleyes

If the TV money doesn’t go up or goes up less than 8% the other teams will loses revenue

lol aggies

[coyotes_geek]

If the TV money doesn’t go up or goes up less than 8% the other teams will loses revenue

lol aggies

Obviously the SEC thinks they'll get that 8% or make it up on the next contract. If they didn't, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[Sisk]

So let me get this straight... Negotiations between the SEC and Texas A&M aren't even finalized yet, but they know the dollar amount that this will add in the TV deal? :lol

I'm sure the SEC is looking to add A&M because they're being nice, like coyote said.

[Sisk]

Top 10 Television markets in the U.S.


Rank Metropolitan Market Regions / Areas
1 New York
2 Los Angeles
3 Chicago
4 Philadelphia
5 Dallas-Ft. Worth
6 San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose
7 Boston
8 Atlanta
9 Washington, DC
10 Houston

Coming in at #8, you have the only city in the top 10 currently in the SEC, Atlanta.

Coming in at #5 and #10, you have two cities in Texas.

No way this deal adds TV money.

[Blake]

So let me get this straight... Negotiations between the SEC and Texas A&M aren't even finalized yet, but they know the dollar amount that this will add in the TV deal? :lol

I'm sure the SEC is looking to add A&M because they're being nice, like coyote said.

and you are sure the SEC is ready to add A&M?

you are sure of this how?

[Sisk]

and you are sure the SEC is ready to add A&M?

you are sure of this how?

You're an idiot.

[Thompson]

CBS would have to pay for any increase. The former president of CBS says A&M's addition won't increase revenue that much, and his buddies have this under control.

Shocking.

'A&M would never leave the Big 12, it's just fan rumors... A&M's just bluffing... ok, A&M's not bluffing, but no way the legislature allows this... ok, the legislature is out of session and Branch backed down, but no way the SEC takes them ahahaha... ok it's just a legal maneuver, but we'll just add Notre Dame... ok Notre Dame says get lost, maybe we'll try Arkansas... Pitt... WVU... ok, well A&M won't increase the CBS contract that much according to the former CBS president...'

[Sisk]

'A&M would never leave the Big 12, it's just fan rumors... A&M's just bluffing... ok, A&M's not bluffing, but no way the legislature allows this... ok, the legislature is out of session and Branch backed down, but no way the SEC takes them ahahaha... ok it's just a legal maneuver, but we'll just add Notre Dame... ok Notre Dame says get lost, maybe we'll try Arkansas... Pitt... WVU... ok, well A&M won't increase the CBS contract that much according to the former CBS president...'

:lmao

[pkbpkb81]

Top 10 Television markets in the U.S.



Coming in at #8, you have the only city in the top 10 currently in the SEC, Atlanta.

Coming in at #5 and #10, you have two cities in Texas.

No way this deal adds TV money.

aggies don't have a foot hold in Dallas that is all OU/ut and little tcu

[Sisk]

aggies don't have a foot hold in Dallas that is all OU/ut and little tcu

I forgot. Zero Aggies from the Dallas/FW area.

Also, the SEC is looking to add a team so they can make less money.

You people can't really believe this shit, right?

[ChumpDumper]

So how much money is the SEC going to get from CBS and ESPN to give to A&M?

[Sisk]

So how much money is the SEC going to get from CBS and ESPN to give to A&M?

No one knows for certain.

[ChumpDumper]

No one knows for certain.I'm sure A&M and the SEC have prepared some numbers since they need to prove what A&M adds.

If they haven't done so, the cart has been placed firmly before the horse.

[Kermit]

Top 10 Television markets in the U.S.



Coming in at #8, you have the only city in the top 10 currently in the SEC, Atlanta.

Coming in at #5 and #10, you have two cities in Texas.

No way this deal adds TV money.

Does anyone in those cities watch Aggy? My guess is no.

[DMX7]

Take a guess at who ESPN (one of the only voices that actually matters when it comes to $$$) thinks delivers the DFW & Houston TV Markets.

[Kermit]

Take a guess at who ESPN (one of the only voices that actually matters when it comes to $$$) thinks delivers the DFW & Houston TV Markets.

It's not Aggy? Hell, I remember two years ago when they couldn't get on tv.

[Sisk]

I'm sure A&M and the SEC have prepared some numbers since they need to prove what A&M adds.

I'm sure they have, but nothing has been made public from them as far as numbers go. Nothing will be official for quite some in regards to specific dollar amounts.

[DMX7]

How much longer are we going to have to wait for A&M to just come out and fly the White Flag of Surrender over College Station?

[Sisk]

How much longer are we going to have to wait for A&M to just come out and fly the White Flag of Surrender over College Station?

I love how we're "surrendering" when we've won the last two, and will make it three straight this year. I also love how we're "surrendering" by going to the toughest football conference in the nation.

Fun fact: last 35 years, A&M has the scoreboard.

[Blake]

You're an idiot.

You were the one reporting the poll showing how few people were going to be watching the LHN.

A&Ms apparent reason for leaving is because of the LHN.

If the LHN is such a failure, explain again why A&M still wants to leave.

[Blake]

Fun fact: last 35 years, A&M has the scoreboard.

Almost as fun a fact as A&M winning their one national championship over 70 years ago.

[Sisk]

You were the one reporting the poll showing how few people were going to be watching the LHN.

A&Ms apparent reason for leaving is because of the LHN.

If the LHN is such a failure, explain again why A&M still wants to leave.

If you can't understand why at this point, you don't deserve an explanation. You've been asking to be spoon fed information throughout this whole entire thread, just for the sake of playing dumb.

Sorry you're incapable of having an intelligent conversation.

[Kermit]

If you can't understand why at this point, you don't deserve an explanation. You've been asking to be spoon fed information throughout this whole entire thread, just for the sake of playing dumb.

Sorry you're incapable of having an intelligent conversation.

Because you monkeys (no racist) like to fling shit around and see what sticks. 99% of the time you're wrong. Has one of your "sources" been correct yet? If people are playing dumb, it's to prove the point that you and your fellow Aggy don't know shit. You can't explain why you're leaving because butthurt wouldn't be a logical explanation.

[Sisk]

Because you monkeys (no racist) like to fling shit around and see what sticks. 99% of the time you're wrong. Has one of your "sources" been correct yet? If people are playing dumb, it's to prove the point that you and your fellow Aggy don't know shit. You can't explain why you're leaving because butthurt wouldn't be a logical explanation.

I'll list three reasons that aren't the LHN, since you're too fucking stupid to think for yourself. Not surprising for a sip.

1. More money
2. National exposure
3. Recruiting advantage

[Sisk]

And lol at the guy making a preemptive "lol" thread saying we're the ones that are normally wrong.

[Kermit]

I'll list three reasons that aren't the LHN, since you're too fucking stupid to think for yourself. Not surprising for a sip.

1. More money
2. National exposure
3. Recruiting advantage

1. $18 million is not more than $20 million (not even counting buyout)
2. :lol
3. :lmao

[Sisk]

1. $18 million is not more than $20 million (not even counting buyout)
2. :lol
3. :lmao

1. You don't know the value of the contract yet, whether you want to or not. $20 million guarantee are beebe bucks. Doubt you know what I mean by that, but I'm not educating you.
2. SEC has a network that promotes their teams. B12 could only dream of such a thing. Laugh or not, it's a fact.
3. Multiple recruits have chosen their school based on conference affiliation this year alone. Players like competition. Turns out, Alabama and Auburn are better than Baylor and Iowa State.

[Blake]

I'll list three reasons that aren't the LHN, since you're too fucking stupid to think for yourself. Not surprising for a sip.

1. More money
2. National exposure
3. Recruiting advantage

#1 is no guarantee

#2 A&M already has

#3 is especially silly considering how well A&M has done this year.

no surprise that goose stepping Aggie fan cant accept that the main reason for leaving is sheer butthurt.

[Sisk]

#1 is no guarantee

#2 A&M already has

#3 is especially silly considering how well A&M has done this year.

no surprise that goose stepping Aggie fan cant accept that the main reason for leaving is sheer butthurt.

I would bet you any amount of money you'd like that the Aggies will make more money in the SEC.

A&M will gain much more exposure being in a conference with a TV deal and being in a premiere conference that works together.

It's still an advantage. At the very least it's a difference that could swing a recruit from committing to texas, ou, or tech.

If we were that butt hurt we'd not be offering to keep the rivalry in tact.

[Blake]

3. Multiple recruits have chosen their school based on conference affiliation this year alone. Players like competition. Turns out, Alabama and Auburn are better than Baylor and Iowa State.

Why are Texas, Florida St and Michigan all currently ranked in the top 3 spots?

Why is A&M even in the top ten if they are scheduled to play teams like Baylor and Iowa St?

[Kermit]

1. You don't know the value of the contract yet, whether you want to or not. $20 million guarantee are beebe bucks. Doubt you know what I mean by that, but I'm not educating you.
2. SEC has a network that promotes their teams. B12 could only dream of such a thing. Laugh or not, it's a fact.
3. Multiple recruits have chosen their school based on conference affiliation this year alone. Players like competition. Turns out, Alabama and Auburn are better than Baylor and Iowa State.

1. Beebe bucks? Fucking Aggy. You take from the smaller schools in the Big 12 (Texas does it too) and then bitch that you're not getting paid enough. And then you go to a conference whose television contract stipulates that they don't have to renegotiate. They will, but only to raise you to the level of the others which is $18 million. And then there's that buyout, which for a program already in the red will not be pretty. Did I mention that you are a state school?

2. :lmao The Big 12 would promote you too if you didn't suck every decade. It's hard to promote you when not a single cable channel wants anything to do with you. So what is the SEC to do when you go back to sucking, which judging by Aggy history will be very soon.

3. :lmao Aggy is not Auburn. Aggy is not Alabama. Aggy is not Arkansas. Aggy is not LSU. Aggy is not Florida. Aggy is not Georgia. Aggy is Aggy. They still will not go to your school.

[Blake]

I would bet you any amount of money you'd like that the Aggies will make more money in the SEC.

how much more exactly?

give an educated guess.


A&M will gain much more exposure being in a conference with a TV deal and being in a premiere conference that works together.

the Big 12 has a TV deal and there are no conference games on the LHN.

lol working together

the SEC has not gained a reputation for cutting at each other's throats for nothing.


It's still an advantage. At the very least it's a difference that could swing a recruit from committing to texas, ou, or tech.

if it were really that big a deal, all of the SEC would be in the top 20 recruiting spots.

minimal advantage at best.


If we were that butt hurt we'd not be offering to keep the rivalry in tact.

losing the UT game would hurt A&M more than UT.

A&M is definitely butthurt. No way around it, tbh.

[Blake]

3. :lmao Aggy is not Auburn. Aggy is not Alabama. Aggy is not Arkansas. Aggy is not LSU. Aggy is not Florida. Aggy is not Georgia. Aggy is Aggy. They still will not go to your school.

Vanderbilt's SEC recruiting advantage is well known.

[Kermit]

Vanderbilt's SEC recruiting advantage is well known.

Veritable powerhouse thanks to SEC exposure.

[Sisk]

Why are Texas, Florida St and Michigan all currently ranked in the top 3 spots?

Why is A&M even in the top ten if they are scheduled to play teams like Baylor and Iowa St?

I didn't say that the SEC was a guaranteed top 3 class every year. In fact, I said it could be as little as a difference. But, let's play by your rules.

Top 10 2012 recruiting classes:

5 SEC schools

5 all others combined (one of which will be playing in the SEC in 2012)

[Sisk]

losing the UT game would hurt A&M more than UT.

A&M is definitely butthurt. No way around it, tbh.

Yes, because our SOS will be weaker going to the SEC. We get the same amount of $ for the game.

[Kermit]

I didn't say that the SEC was a guaranteed top 3 class every year. In fact, I said it could be as little as a difference. But, let's play by your rules.

Top 10 2012 recruiting classes:

5 SEC schools

5 all others combined (one of which will be playing in the SEC in 2012)

:lmao

It's Sept.

[Blake]

Top 10 2012 recruiting classes:

5 SEC schools

5 all others combined (one of which will be playing in the SEC in 2012)

but none in the top 3

[Sisk]

:lmao

It's Sept.

It's August.

[Sisk]

but none in the top 3

Let's just crown the longhorns then.

Fun fact: Gilbert was a 5 star recruit. Colt McCoy was a 3 star recruit. I know who I'd rather have running my offense.

People put too much into these rankings, imho. Sure, it's great seeing Texas A&M in the top 10 on that site but it really doesn't mean anything.

[Blake]

Yes, because our SOS will be weaker going to the SEC. We get the same amount of $ for the game.

Assuming automatic sell outs for the games.

[Sisk]

Assuming automatic sell outs for the games.

Well, I can promise you we'll sell out Kyle Field this year.

[Blake]

Let's just crown the longhorns then.

Fun fact: Gilbert was a 5 star recruit. Colt McCoy was a 3 star recruit. I know who I'd rather have running my offense.

People put too much into these rankings, imho. Sure, it's great seeing Texas A&M in the top 10 on that site but it really doesn't mean anything.

then we agree that the recruiting advantage is minimal at best.

Let's get back to money.

How much more do you think A&M will make by being in the SEC?

Has anyone factored in travel costs? No more buses to Austin or Waco for the other sports. Flying will probably be 100% of the time for all sports and band members.

That adds up fast, tbh.

[Blake]

Well, I can promise you we'll sell out Kyle Field this year.

Can you promise a Vanderbilt or Mississippi St sell out in 2020?

South Carolina? Kentucky? Ole Miss?

[Kermit]

Well, I can promise you we'll sell out Kyle Field this year.

Such an incredible accomplishment for college football's most passionate fanbase.

[Sisk]

then we agree that the recruiting advantage is minimal at best.

Let's get back to money.

How much more do you think A&M will make by being in the SEC?

It depends on which number you're going off of. Most estimates are about $21-25mm.



Has anyone factored in travel costs? No more buses to Austin or Waco for the other sports. Flying will probably be 100% of the time for all sports and band members.

That adds up fast, tbh.

Yeah, that's a factor of course. A small sacrifice in the big scheme of things. We'd still drive to Dallas for our Arkansas game and likely drive to LSU for that game. That leaves Auburn, Alabama, Miss. St. and Ole Miss for the SEC west. Travelling to Nebraska (while they were around) and Kansas weren't short trips. A trip to Tuscaloosa is shorter than to Lawrence. A trip to Gainesville is shorter than to Boulder (when they were around).



Can you promise a Vanderbilt or Mississippi St sell out in 2020?

I can't promise anything that far in advance.


Such an incredible accomplishment for college football's most passionate fanbase.

Thanks for recognizing.

[Kermit]

Most estimates are about $21-25mm.

Jesus. Is there anything that you will not pull out of your ass.

[Sisk]

Jesus. Is there anything that you will not pull out of your ass.

BTW it's August.

[Sisk]

Do you think the longhorns will beat UCLA this year?

[Kermit]

Do you think the longhorns will beat UCLA this year?

lol $25 million
lol trying to change the subject from retarded post
lol $25 million

[Sisk]

lol $25 million
lol trying to change the subject from retarded post
lol $25 million

It's an estimate. Not my estimate, but an estimate nevertheless. I've yet to see any estimate below $20mm.

So, do you think that texas will beat UCLA?

[Kermit]

Depends. Is Garrett going to start?

[Sisk]

Depends. Is Garrett going to start?

Let's say yes.

Do you think Case would be the difference between a W and L?

[Kermit]

Let's say yes.

Do you think Case would be the difference between a W and L?

Then they lose. And no, Case is not the answer. David Ash on the other hand....

[Sisk]

Then they lose. And no, Case is not the answer. David Ash on the other hand....

Heard a lot about that guy from a lot of longhorn fans. Tbh I don't know much about him other than he's not Gilbert, which is a good thing. It'll be interesting to see what happens... has mack really not named a starter yet? I thought Gilbert was announced a couple days ago.

[Kermit]

Heard a lot about that guy from a lot of longhorn fans. Tbh I don't know much about him other than he's not Gilbert, which is a good thing. It'll be interesting to see what happens... has mack really not named a starter yet? I thought Gilbert was announced a couple days ago.

Oh he has, but Gilbert is on a very short leash. Although Case is the backup, they're thinking about redshirting Ash, and Woods is transferring. The QB position is a clusterfuck.

[Sisk]

Oh he has, but Gilbert is on a very short leash. Although Case is the backup, they're thinking about redshirting Ash, and Woods is transferring. The QB position is a clusterfuck.

Gilbert should be on a short leash, no doubt about that.

[DirkDoesWork]

You can call it whatever you want, but being in the SEC will be a beautiful thing.

Iowa State
Tech
Baylor
Kansas St.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao


Alabama
Florida
LSU
Auburn



Are yall both retarded? I didn't say they would have trouble, I said they'd need it more than us. As in, the SOS overall. Following?

The last bowl we played BYU in was in 1990

Texas A&M - 65
BYU - 14

Thanks for the reminder, Batman.


lol comparing the bottom-tier of a conference to the top-tier of a conference

That's like me saying:

Kentucky
Vanderbilt

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Texas
Oklahoma

[leemajors]

Oh he has, but Gilbert is on a very short leash. Although Case is the backup, they're thinking about redshirting Ash, and Woods is transferring. The QB position is a clusterfuck.

Redshirt him to be Brewer's backup?

[pkbpkb81]

I'll list three reasons that aren't the LHN, since you're too fucking stupid to think for yourself. Not surprising for a sip.

1. More money
2. National exposure
3. Recruiting advantage

1. where is the more money coming from
2. last place teams don't get exposure
3. yes cause every sec team get's the top players just ask vandy

[pkbpkb81]

Yes, because our SOS will be weaker going to the SEC. We get the same amount of $ for the game.

That’s not why you need it, you need it to still matter in the state of Texas. Aggies are an afterthought in this state even when you have the better football team, not playing any of the big Texas schools each year will make you that much more of an afterthought. Hell if ttu can get close to where they were in 08 (I know big if) they will easily pass Aggies as the number 2 school in the state when it comes to popularity.

[pkbpkb81]

It's an estimate. Not my estimate, but an estimate nevertheless. I've yet to see any estimate below $20mm.

So, do you think that texas will beat UCLA?

a link from cnbc was posted that talked about 18 mil wich is less than 20

[Blake]

a link from cnbc was posted that talked about 18 mil wich is less than 20

Then there's the exit fee that will surely eat into that for a number of years.

[Blake]

a link from cnbc was posted that talked about 18 mil wich is less than 20

What are the aggies scheduled to make in the big xii

[coyotes_geek]

That’s not why you need it, you need it to still matter in the state of Texas. Aggies are an afterthought in this state even when you have the better football team, not playing any of the big Texas schools each year will make you that much more of an afterthought. Hell if ttu can get close to where they were in 08 (I know big if) they will easily pass Aggies as the number 2 school in the state when it comes to popularity.

Yep, A&M is so much an afterthought that the entire Big 12 conference was okay giving them a Texas/OU sized share of the B12's TV revenue...........

[coyotes_geek]

It's official.

http://www.tamu.edu/athletics/conferenceChange.html

[leemajors]

Then there's the exit fee that will surely eat into that for a number of years.

isn't the exit fee $20 mill, which is more than the SEC (current) TV money?

[coyotes_geek]

isn't the exit fee $20 mill, which is more than the SEC (current) TV money?

The exit fee needs to be negotiated. Nebraska & CU ended up paying about half of what the big12 originally said they would owe.

[leemajors]

The exit fee needs to be negotiated. Nebraska & CU ended up paying about half of what the big12 originally said they would owe.

you think the big 12 would want to negotiate this?

[coyotes_geek]

you think the big 12 would want to negotiate this?

I didn't think they'd have negotiated with CU & NU they way they did, so who knows.

My strictly unscientific, pure speculation, finger in the wind guesstimate is that A&M will be able to negotiate the exit fee down into the $12-$15 range.

[Blake]

I didn't think they'd have negotiated with CU & NU they way they did, so who knows.

My strictly unscientific, pure speculation, finger in the wind guesstimate is that A&M will be able to negotiate the exit fee down into the $12-$15 range.

So the aggies were going to get $20m in the big xii

They might end up getting $20m from the sec....minus a one time $12m exit fee.

K.

[coyotes_geek]

So the aggies were going to get $20m in the big xii

They might end up getting $20m from the sec....minus a one time $12m exit fee.

K.

And this is an incredibly relevant point to make, since A&M will only play one season of SEC football and then give up the sport entirely.

[pkbpkb81]

What are the aggies scheduled to make in the big xii

20 mil is what they got when they agreed to stay last year

[pkbpkb81]

Yep, A&M is so much an afterthought that the entire Big 12 conference was okay giving them a Texas/OU sized share of the B12's TV revenue...........

You’re an afterthought in your own state, when it comes to college football in texas it is ut than everyone else.

[pkbpkb81]

It's official.

http://www.tamu.edu/athletics/conferenceChange.html

Is it really official this time or will we here in an hour or so that aggies never sent a letter

[coyotes_geek]

Is it really official this time or will we here in an hour or so that aggies never sent a letter

I won't trust Liucci, Chip Brown, the NYT, or any other talking head, but I will trust an official release from the university on the university's website.

[coyotes_geek]

You’re an afterthought in your own state, when it comes to college football in texas it is ut than everyone else.

Better leverage for us in our negotiations on our exit fee.

[pkbpkb81]

how funny would it be if the sec said well we didn't get a 14th team so we no longer want the aggies

[Blake]

And this is an incredibly relevant point to make, since A&M will only play one season of SEC football and then give up the sport entirely.

It goes back to my question of why A&M is leaving.

Is it butthurt or is it money?

[coyotes_geek]

how funny would it be if the sec said well we didn't get a 14th team so we no longer want the aggies

Something tells me the SEC won't have a problem finding a 14th team. Or a 15th and a 16th whenever they decide they want them.

[coyotes_geek]

It goes back to my question of why A&M is leaving.

Is it butthurt or is it money?

It's both.

[NFO]

They might end up getting $20m from the sec....minus a one time $12m exit fee.

I think with CU & Nebraska they negoitated a lower exit fee, which I beleive was witholding TV revenue equal to the exit fee, so each school didn't actually have to technically pay an exit fee.

Netting it out the 20 mil plus any exit fee/held TV revenue has a net effect to A&Ms bottom line.

[Sisk]

how funny would it be if the sec said well we didn't get a 14th team so we no longer want the aggies

If they don't find a 14th then one season will be played with 13. Crazy, I know.

[Sisk]

The buyout will be negotiated.

[Blake]

It's both.

Still not seeing the money reason.

[DesignatedT]

Still not seeing the money reason.

Nobody is expecting you to. Just wait until the TV contracts are renegotiated.

[coyotes_geek]

Still not seeing the money reason.

That's because you want to believe that A&M doesn't add any value to a conference.

[DesignatedT]

As our President keeps saying "this is a 100 year decision" In the long run A&M will be much better off financially in the SEC, even if that means the first couple years we aren't making much more than we were *promised* in the bevo9. After the SEC Presidents meet next week maybe they will officially release some #s that Commissioner Slive has put together.

[Blake]

Nobody is expecting you to. Just wait until the TV contracts are renegotiated.

Great, then butthurt remains the only reason for leaving.

[pkbpkb81]

Darren Rovell tweets about the aggies have been great

he move to sec will hurt your ticket vaule after 3 years

he said
Fact the only way a&m get's of of ut's shadow is to move out of the state

lol

[DesignatedT]

Great, then butthurt remains the only reason for leaving.

Ok...? C ya later.

[Blake]

That's because you want to believe that A&M doesn't add any value to a conference.

How much extra value does A&M add?

How much more will the aggies really get from the sec than from the big xii?

[Blake]

Ok...? C ya later.

K, c ya

[pkbpkb81]

so are the aggies going to get their own little area to go cry in like utsa did

[leemajors]

Nobody is expecting you to. Just wait until the TV contracts are renegotiated.

and if there are clauses saying there will be no renegotiation in the current contract?

[coyotes_geek]

How much extra value does A&M add?

Apparantely enough to where A&M and the SEC mutually agree that this move is beneficial to everyone involved. Otherwise, it wouldn't be happening.


How much more will the aggies really get from the sec than from the big xii?

See above.

[NFO]

and if there are clauses saying there will be no renegotiation in the current contract?

There is no such clause in the contract with SEC and their TV contract. There is a provision that if there is a significant change in the conference that the TV contract "could" be renegotiated, not that the TV contract "couldn't" be renegotiated if A&M went to the SEC.

I think you and Blake are also failing to realize that "if" and/or "when" A&M leaves the Big 12 that TV contract will most likely be voided and renegoiated. Now depending on what happens with the conference this could either make A&M look briliant or stupid. There are a lot of scenarios that could play out "if" and/or "when" A&M leaves as far as TV contracts go for the rest of that conference if there is a conference left.

[leemajors]

There is no such clause in the contract with SEC and their TV contract. There is a provision that if there is a significant change in the conference that the TV contract "could" be renegotiated, not that the TV contract "couldn't" be renegotiated if A&M went to the SEC.

I think you and Blake are also failing to realize that "if" and/or "when" A&M leaves the Big 12 that TV contract will most likely be voided and renegoiated. Now depending on what happens with the conference this could either make A&M look briliant or stupid. There are a lot of scenarios that could play out "if" and/or "when" A&M leaves as far as TV contracts go for the rest of that conference if there is a conference left.

I haven't read it, and won't but I included the if because I was not sure. I just think relying on CBS and ESPN to consider it in their best interests to renegotiate is pretty big risk. Why would they want to void it and pay more to the SEC?

[NFO]

I haven't read it, and won't but I included the if because I was not sure.

fair enough.



I just think relying on CBS and ESPN to consider it in their best interests to renegotiate is pretty big risk.

I think so too, but sometimes gambles pay off. "IF" A&M goes to the SEC and they don't renegotiate or wait until a 14th team is added then A&M likely makes less money in TV dollars in the short term. I do think that if the SEC gets to 14 teams that the SEC would be able to convinvce the TV folks that a significant change has been made and re-open the negoiation process.

"IF" A&M goes to the SEC and the Big 12 implodes, i.e. Texas goes independent and everyone else is left scrambling then A&M wins pretty big in terms of TV dollars compared to the rest of the Big 12 sans Texas.

Yes, big risk, maybe not so much of a big reward, but that will be determined sometime down the road when the dust settles.



Why would they want to void it and pay more to the SEC?

Well the TV folks wouldn't if just A&M gets in, because the way I understood the contract was that a signioficant chnage had to occur in order to be able to renegotiate the contract and I persoanlly can't see the SEC convincing the TV folks that A&M alone does that, I could be wrong on that, but I think if the SEC were to add A&M and a team outside its current footprint, like a Virginia Tech type I think the SEC would then have the leverage so say the conference has siginficantly changed and added several TV markets and thus more money to the pot then the TV folks would renegotiate.

[Sisk]

I just think relying on CBS and ESPN to consider it in their best interests to renegotiate is pretty big risk. Why would they want to void it and pay more to the SEC?

From what I've read, the contract states that if the conference changes the # of teams within the conference, the contract will be renegotiated. With all the BS flying around, no one will know until the dust settles. Pretty useless speculating on anything right now.

[Blake]

There is no such clause in the contract with SEC and their TV contract. There is a provision that if there is a significant change in the conference that the TV contract "could" be renegotiated, not that the TV contract "couldn't" be renegotiated if A&M went to the SEC.

I think you and Blake are also failing to realize that "if" and/or "when" A&M leaves the Big 12 that TV contract will most likely be voided and renegoiated. Now depending on what happens with the conference this could either make A&M look briliant or stupid. There are a lot of scenarios that could play out "if" and/or "when" A&M leaves as far as TV contracts go for the rest of that conference if there is a conference left.

I realize it.

I don't think the new big xii contract will get worse after negotiations.

When the dust settles and we are ten years down the road, I have a hard time believing this will end up being anything more than a lateral move financially for A&M.

[Sisk]

I realize it.

I don't think the new big xii contract will get worse after negotiations.

When the dust settles and we are ten years down the road, I have a hard time believing this will end up being anything more than a lateral move financially for A&M.

You think that the big 12 will be around in 10 years?

[Blake]

You think that the big 12 will be around in 10 years?

Depends on who the Big XII adds to replace A&M.

I think adding BYU UH and/or even Air Force would solidify the conference enough to last that long.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Maybe there's an answer to this question I don't know about, but why doesn't the idea of TCU joining the Big 12 ever come up?

[Sisk]

Maybe there's an answer to this question I don't know about, but why doesn't the idea of TCU joining the Big 12 ever come up?

They don't add any TVs.

[coyotes_geek]

Maybe there's an answer to this question I don't know about, but why doesn't the idea of TCU joining the Big 12 ever come up?

TCU is already top dog in a BCS conference. No reason to give that up just to move to another BCS conference where they'd have Texas and OU in their way.

[coyotes_geek]

I realize it.

I don't think the new big xii contract will get worse after negotiations.

If anyone in the big 12 believed this, A&M never would have gotten the Texas/OU sized share of the B12's TV deal that they did.


When the dust settles and we are ten years down the road, I have a hard time believing this will end up being anything more than a lateral move financially for A&M.

The big 12 won't be around in 10 years. Or if it is, it won't have Texas and OU in it.

[ChumpDumper]

They don't add any TVs.So conversely, the Big[insert random integer here] doesn't lose any TVs with A&M's departure.

[Blake]

If anyone in the big 12 believed this, A&M never would have gotten the Texas/OU sized share of the B12's TV deal that they did.

So you believe that if the current b12 contract is voided that a school like tech will actually get less money during the re-negotiation?

I don't.




The big 12 won't be around in 10 years. Or if it is, it won't have Texas and OU in it.

as I said before, i believe that OU is the jenga piece, not missouri.

As long as OU and UT stay together, you will always have tech, okie st and baylor.

If houston joins, they will always feed off ut the same as tech and baylor.

Losing mizz would hurt, but I think adding byu and air force would make it alright.

[NFO]

I realize it.

Well you haven't mentioned that specifically in your past arguments, so I can't assume that you actually did realize "it" until you admit that you actually have realized "it".



I don't think the new big xii contract will get worse after negotiations.

That is the million dollar question. Depends on who replaces A&M and how many. If Texas goes independent that would put a huge dent in the Big 12 as a conference.



When the dust settles and we are ten years down the road, I have a hard time believing this will end up being anything more than a lateral move financially for A&M.

Perhaps. I think initially it will be a lateral move financially for A&M. Just depends on what happens to the Big 12 once they leave ten years down the road to make that comparison.

[DMX7]

Big 12 is not adding Houston. Texas will leave if they do, and that'll be the end of the conference.

[Sisk]

http://p.twimg.com/AYNlBCzCQAAgwrf.jpg

[Sisk]

If OU wants the Big 12 to survive, it will. But if the Sooners decide the Big 12 it's not worth salvaging, the league will quickly dissolve.

This time around, Texas does not hold all the cards and the Sooners have fewer obstacles in their path to another conference.

http://espn.go.com/colleges/oklahoma/football/story/_/id/6914409/time-oklahoma-power-conference-realignment

[DMX7]

Actually DeLoss Dodds has a 512 area code but the rest of the number is correct. Maybe that's why no one has called. :lol

[leemajors]

The Sooners were all set to go to the Pac-12 with the Longhorns last summer, until the Texas state legislature reportedly stopped the deal at the final hour.

omg it must have been teh aggiez in the legislature!!

[Sisk]

So conversely, the Big[insert random integer here] doesn't lose any TVs with A&M's departure.

Big [insert random integer here] - 3 teams in Texas

Adding TCU doesn't add a new market. It adds TCU fans, not new markets. Markets are the factor that is important.

[DMX7]

BYU is going to get the invite. ND would have but they aren't joining.

[Sisk]

BYU is going to get the invite. ND would have but they aren't joining.

Seems like BYU fans really want to make the jump. We'll see what their administration decides, though.

http://sinkholes1.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Sinking-Ship.jpg

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Big[insert random integer here]
:rollin

[DesignatedT]

If Texas really wants to keep the conference afloat they need BYU in.

[Sisk]

Neb wants to change conferences for their own sake: Fine
Col wants to change: Fine
Utah wants to change: Fine
Boise State, TCU, etc. etc: All Fine
A&M wants to change: Quick someone put a stop to it!

[coyotes_geek]

So you believe that if the current b12 contract is voided that a school like tech will actually get less money during the re-negotiation?

I don't.

I think the odds of schools like Tech getting equal or greater money out of a renegotiated b12 deal are pretty slim TBH. Contrary to what you want to believe, you can't just replace A&M with anybody and not take a hit to TV marketability. The fact that the conference was okay giving A&M a double share is a pretty big financial acknowledgement by all the member schools that A&M is the 3rd most important school to the league in terms of TV revenue. They sure as shit didn't go along it because they couldn't bear the thought of hurting A&M's feelings.

Not saying that A&M is irreplaceable, but it's not a very long list of teams who are both a) able to deliver the number of TV sets than A&M has the potential to AND b) willing to join the big 12 conference. If you can't find a team that meets both those requirements, it's going to be hard to get a similar deal.

BYU is an obvious choice, but there's a big concern over them beyond simply would they be interested. They're independent and they have their own TV network. Obviously that's not a deal killer since the big 12 is okay with teams having their own networks, but in terms of marketing the conference to a network for a TV deal, the prospect of BYU wanting to put some of their games on their network is going to diminish the attractiveness of adding them.

Not to mention any renegotiation of a big 12 deal is going to take place in a world where Texas actually has their own network as opposed to just wanting one, which is where things stood when the current deal was negotiated. Texas is going to want to put as many games on their network as they can, and a renegotiation gives them the opportunity to expand their ability to do that. Let's also not forget that OU is looking in to getting a Sooner Network and they'll obviously be looking to protect their rights in any tv deal.

So say BYU does come on board. You'd have a big 12 conference where two of the top three draws would have their own networks with the third really, really wanting one. What do you think the odds would be of Texas, OU and BYU wanting to put the games amongst themselves on their respective networks? What do you think a big 12 package without any Texas/OU, Texas/BYU or OU/BYU games is worth?

And obviously all this is assuming that Missouri doesn't bolt which would only magnify the problem by taking away the biggest non-Texas TV market the conference has. Maybe even the second biggest too, depending on whether Kansas City is Mizzou turf or Kansas/K-State turf. I honestly don't know.

There's just way too many variables working against the not-Texas, not-OU teams of the big 12 for there to be a reasonable expectation of them coming out ahead when everything is done shaking out IMO.


as I said before, i believe that OU is the jenga piece, not missouri.

As long as OU and UT stay together, you will always have tech, okie st and baylor.

If houston joins, they will always feed off ut the same as tech and baylor.

Losing mizz would hurt, but I think adding byu and air force would make it alright.

Losing Missouri, IMO, is what makes Texas decide to go independent. There's only so many conference usa teams you can add before you're just conference usa plus texas and ou. It's not like Texas can't go independent and not find any tech's, okie lite's or baylor's to play them.


Big 12 is not adding Houston. Texas will leave if they do, and that'll be the end of the conference.

Texas will inform the big 12 who they will be inviting. OU probably gets a courtesy call to endorse their decision. I think you're right though that it won't be Houston.

[DMX7]

BYU will get the invite and if they accept the Big 12 won't miss a beat. The tv contract may get devalued, but it won't make a big difference because A&M was going to get $20+ million which is more than even SEC teams get. BYU will just get less.

[coyotes_geek]

BYU will get the invite and if they accept the Big 12 won't miss a beat. The tv contract may get devalued, but it won't make a big difference because A&M was going to get $20+ million which is more than even SEC teams get. BYU will just get less.

So what happens when BYU says they want the same $20 mil that A&M was going to get? BYU is looking to join at the Texas-OU membership level, not the Baylor-Iowa State one.

[DMX7]

So what happens when BYU says they want the same $20 mil that A&M was going to get?

lol, they're not even going to ask for that. The only reason A&M got that much is because of its ego and because its athletic department nearly went bankrupt and had to borrow money from the school.

[ChumpDumper]

Big [insert random integer here] - 3 teams in Texas

Adding TCU doesn't add a new market. It adds TCU fans, not new markets. Markets are the factor that is important.Right, so according to your logic losing A&M doesn't lose any markets for the Big12-3+?.

[ChumpDumper]

So what happens when BYU says they want the same $20 mil that A&M was going to get? BYU is looking to join at the Texas-OU membership level, not the Baylor-Iowa State one.I don't see why they wouldn't get it tbh. That and they get to keep their network and be in an AQ conference.

[coyotes_geek]

lol, they're not even going to ask for that. The only reason A&M got that much is because of its ego and because its athletic department nearly went bankrupt and had to borrow money from the school.

You're kidding yourself if you think BYU is going to want to join the big 12 to be treated like Tech.

You're also kidding yourself if you think Texas, OU and the other big 12 schools willingly forked over an extra $10 mil to A&M just to stroke their ego.

[DMX7]

BYU is looking to join at the Texas-OU membership level, not the Baylor-Iowa State one.

No they're not. They've never even been in a BCS conference before.

[Sisk]

lol, they're not even going to ask for that. The only reason A&M got that much is because of its ego and because its athletic department nearly went bankrupt and had to borrow money from the school.

Why wouldn't BYU ask that? They hold all the cards.

And wtf? We got that money from the B12 because of our AD going bankrupt? :lol

Wrong.


Right, so according to your logic losing A&M doesn't lose any markets for the Big12-3+?.

Texas A&M owns the Houston market. TCU is located in Dallas. Dallas is owned by texas and ou.

[coyotes_geek]

I don't see why they wouldn't get it tbh. That and they get to keep their network and be in an AQ conference.

I agree. They'd ask for it and they'd get it. To their benefit and to the detriment of schools like Tech.

[DMX7]

You're also kidding yourself if you think Texas, OU and the other big 12 schools willingly forked over an extra $10 mil to A&M just to stroke their ego.

That's exactly what they did. They knew A&M would leave if they didn't get a Texas-OU size slice of the pie so that was their only play to keep A&M. Didn't work though.



Texas A&M owns the Houston market. TCU is located in Dallas. Dallas is owned by texas and ou.

Texas owns the Texas market.

[ChumpDumper]

Texas A&M owns the Houston market. TCU is located in Dallas. Dallas is owned by texas and ou.You're telling me no one in Houston watches UT.

You're saying the Big12-3+? has lost the entire Houston market.

You're really trying to say that.

[coyotes_geek]

No they're not. They've never even been in a BCS conference before.

What does them having not been in a BCS conference before have to do with them not asking for money they could easily get? Seriously, if BYU turns the big 12 down, who is the big 12 going to go get? Memphis? SMU? New Mexico?

BYU holds the cards here, not the big 12.

[ChumpDumper]

I agree. They'd ask for it and they'd get it. To their benefit and to the detriment of schools like Tech.lol trying to divide and conquer with socialist screeds.

[coyotes_geek]

That's exactly what they did. They knew A&M would leave if they didn't get a Texas-OU size slice of the pie so that was their only play to keep A&M. Didn't work though.

Gee, why was it so important to keep A&M?

[DMX7]

What does them having not been in a BCS conference before have to do with them not asking for money they could easily get? Seriously, if BYU turns the big 12 down, who is the big 12 going to go get? Memphis? SMU? New Mexico?

BYU holds the cards here, not the big 12.

If BYU turns down the DeLoss Dodds, then the Big 12 is over. Texas is fine either way.

[coyotes_geek]

lol trying to divide and conquer with socialist screeds.

Didn't say anything that isn't true.

[DMX7]

Gee, why was it so important to keep A&M?

To keep the conference from falling apart which is currently is doing. Doesn't mean it can't be saved. I think I even read that Iowa State and some of the other lower levels schools were willing to give Texas, OU and A&M their share of the NU-CU exit fee money to stay because they will have no where else to go. They had to keep the three teams that most wanted to leave (tech didn't matter).

[ChumpDumper]

Didn't say anything that isn't true.Nor did I, pinko.

[DMX7]

Nor did I, pinko.

:lol

[coyotes_geek]

If BYU turns down the DeLoss Dodds, then the Big 12 is over. Texas is fine either way.

If Texas wanted the Big 12 to be over they'd just leave instead of cooking up some charade where they pretend they want BYU to join, then don't give BYU what it would take to convince them to join.

[coyotes_geek]

Nor did I, pinko.

If you say so.

Awfully DarrinS of you to go to the socialist card btw.......

[DMX7]

If Texas wanted the Big 12 to be over they'd just leave instead of cooking up some charade where they pretend they want BYU to join, then don't give BYU what it would take to convince them to join.

They don't want the Big 12 to be over. They want BYU to come in as a mid-tier team that doesn't have to be pandered to like A&M. They won't get Texas-OU money because they're not worth it. If they want too much, then Texas goes with Plan B which is to leave. Texas wins either way. Its holding all the cards.

[coyotes_geek]

They don't want the Big 12 to be over. They want BYU to come in as a mid-tier team that doesn't have to be pandered to like A&M. They won't get Texas-OU money because they're not worth it. If they want too much, then Texas goes with Plan B which is to leave. Texas wins either way. Its holding all the cards.

BYU doesn't give a shit whether they're worth it, they just care whether they can get it.

[DMX7]

BYU doesn't give a shit whether they're worth it, they just care whether they can get it.

They can't. They either join a BCS conference or demand more than they're worth and stay in the WCC, lol. Tough choice.

[coyotes_geek]

They can't. They either join a BCS conference or demand more than they're worth and stay in the WCC, lol.

Or they can stay independent and/or wait for the pac-12 to expand.

[DMX7]

Or they can stay independent and/or wait for the pac-12 to expand.

Wait for the Pac-12 to expand? I think it already did, and guess who didn't get an invite. Those west coast schools will never let BYU in because of its religion.

[coyotes_geek]

Wait for the Pac-12 to expand? I think it already did, and guess who didn't get an invite. Those west coast schools will never let BYU in because of its religion.

Well since we know it's simply impossible for there to be more than 12 teams in a football conference I guess BYU to the big-12 is a done deal.

[ChumpDumper]

Well since we know it's simply impossible for there to be more than 12 teams in a football conference I guess BYU to the big-12 is a done deal.Why didn't BYU get an invite last time around?

[DMX7]

Well since we know it's simply impossible for there to be more than 12 teams in a football conference I guess BYU to the big-12 is a done deal.

Numbers has nothing to do with it, Mormonism does.

If BYU doesn't accept an invite, it won't have much to do with money unless they are completely black balled. It will have everything to do with them thinking that Texas isn't going to stay, and thus they will enter a dying conference. That could happen, but the $20+ million dollar tv argument is a fantasy.

[coyotes_geek]

Why didn't BYU get an invite last time around?

No idea. Probably involves TV sets and not having as many as Colorado or Utah though.

[coyotes_geek]

Numbers has nothing to do with it, Mormonism does.

If BYU doesn't accept an invite, it won't have much to do with money unless they are completely black balled. It will have everything to do with them thinking that Texas isn't going to stay, and thus they will enter a dying conference. That could happen, but the $20+ million dollar tv argument is a fantasy.

Stability of the conference is certainly a factor. As for the money, looks like we're at the point of "agree to disagree".

[DMX7]

No idea. Probably involves TV sets and not having as many as Colorado or Utah though.

Try again.

[ChumpDumper]

No idea. Probably involves TV sets and not having as many as Colorado or Utah though.Not as many as Utah?

You're really saying this?

[coyotes_geek]

Try again.


Not as many as Utah?

You're really saying this?

Okay, so apparently you guys are in the know. Why didn't BYU get an invite?

[DMX7]

Why didn't BYU get an invite?

You've got to be kidding me. Is this really going over your head?

[ChumpDumper]

Okay, so apparently you guys are in the know. Why didn't BYU get an invite?DMX7 already alluded to a possible reason -- one that I have heard elsewhere -- but guessing they'd bring fewer TVs than Utah seems either completely illogical or disingenuous.

[coyotes_geek]

You've got to be kidding me. Is this really going over your head?

You caught me. I did not spend last summer keeping tabs on BYU conference realignment scenarios.

[coyotes_geek]

DMX7 already alluded to a possible reason -- one that I have heard elsewhere -- but guessing they'd bring fewer TVs than Utah seems either completely illogical or disingenuous.

Still waiting on one of you two to cough up an answer...........

[ChumpDumper]

Still waiting on one of you two to cough up an answer...........Still waiting for you to read what I told you was already posted....

[DMX7]

You caught me. I did not spend last summer keeping tabs on BYU conference realignment scenarios.

Brigham Young University is owned and operated by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (i.e., the Mormons). Have fun getting the good people of Berkeley, San Francisco, Oregon, etc. to sign onto that. Never going to happen.

[coyotes_geek]

So BYU didn't get an invite because of bigotry?

You guys are really saying that?

If that's the truth, then yeah, you're right. It was going over my head.

[DMX7]

So BYU didn't get an invite because of bigotry?

You guys are really saying that?

If that's the truth, then yeah, you're right. It was going over my head.

The world's a cold place. I know.

[tlongII]

The Pac will not invite secular institutions to join the conference. It's not just BYU. The same would apply to Baylor or TCU.

[ChumpDumper]

The direct link doesn't work, but here is a cached article that could explain some of it.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:yDsg-Kd7kN4J:www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/49830408-82/byu-university-academic-conference.html.csp

[DMX7]

Stanford is there for a reason (Academics & Athletics). BYU is not there for a reason (Mormon).

[coyotes_geek]

Well, there you go. I learned something about the PAC-12 tonight. That certainly does limit BYU's options if they're looking for a bcs conference to join.

[Sisk]

oh and by the way

thanks aggy for blowing up the texas recruitment market to SEC schools fucking aggy

i'm sure aggy being part of SEC won't make more texas recruits srsly consider going to an SEC school that is actually good at football consistently and is in a town that blows less nuts than NorthGateVilleTownShireStationJunction

Who are you a fan anyways? Play in the SEC and stay in your home state. That's what we'll be selling.

[BradLohaus]

Has anyone said on record that the PAC 12 won't take the likes of BYU, Baylor, and so on because of their religious ties? I'm sure that's the reason, but...

Aren't Stanford and USC private schools?

If they took Utah over BYU isn't BYU being obviously discriminated against? Where was the lawsuit?

[ChumpDumper]

Has anyone said on record that the PAC 12 won't take the likes of BYU, Baylor, and so on because of their religious ties? I'm sure that's the reason, but...

Aren't Stanford and USC private schools?

If they took Utah over BYU isn't BYU being obviously discriminated against? Where was the lawsuit?Prove it.