Game 4 of the 2002 WCSF - Kobe outscores the Spurs by himself in the 4th Quarter

[Deuce Bigalow]

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4th Quarter
Kobe - 12
Spurs - 10

boxscore: http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200205120SAS.html

he also hit the game winner with 5.1 sec remaining to give the Lakers a 3-1 lead

[Deuce Bigalow]

the game before that (gm 3) Kobe scored 11 points in the 4th quarter on 5/5 shooting

[Deuce Bigalow]

when was the last time one player outscored a team in the 4th quarter by himself in a PLAYOFF game?

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

o yea those where the games where shaq was pulling double & triple teams. i remember those games.

[Deuce Bigalow]

o yea those where the games where shaq was pulling double & triple teams. i remember those games.

lol and kobe going 5/5 in the 4th quarter, outscoring the spurs in the 4th by himself, dropping 45 vs them in 01, hitting a gamewinner on them, averaging 33.3/7/7 in 01 WCF series, sweeping their ass
i remember those games

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

lol and kobe going 5/5 in the 4th quarter, outscoring the spurs in the 4th by himself, dropping 45 vs them in 01, hitting a gamewinner on them, averaging 33.3/7/7 in 01 WCF series, sweeping their ass
i remember those games

last time kobe only shot 5 shots in a quarter was when shaq was the main man. makes sense but still those where great watching shaq pulling 2 or defenders at a time. o yea that doesnt matter because it cant be put into a form of stat. i forgot srry. only stats matter. ok i get it now. :lmao

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

lol funny seeing kobes best years where from when shaq was the most the most unstoppable post player ever. really hard to score when the whole defense is focused on defensive rotations for shaq.

[Deuce Bigalow]

last time kobe only shot 5 shots in a quarter was when shaq was the main man. makes sense but still those where great watching shaq pulling 2 or defenders at a time. o yea that doesnt matter because it cant be put into a form of stat. i forgot srry. only stats matter. ok i get it now. :lmao

explain the 2008 WCF then
:lmao

[Deuce Bigalow]

lol funny seeing kobes best years where from when shaq was the most the most unstoppable post player ever. really hard to score when the whole defense is focused on defensive rotations for shaq.

35.4 PPG in 2005-06 season (only the 4th player to ever average 35+ PPG)
31.6 PPG in 2006-07 season
32.8 PPG in 2007 Playoffs
30.2 PPG in 2008 Playoffs
30.1 PPG in 2009 Playoffs
32.4 PPG and 7.4 APG in the 2009 NBA Finals

who knows how many 40pt, 50pt, 60pt games he dropped without Shaq
do i need to go on?

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

explain the 2008 WCF then
:lmao

the one where duncan was trying to fend off gasol and bynum with fransico elson. i remember those games. lol no matter what kobe has always had a dominate frontline. no stat ever will overpower that. :lmao

its really funny to see you try tho.

[ElNono]

0-4 in 2011 Playoffs when Gasol had heart troubles

tee hee

[Deuce Bigalow]

the one where duncan was trying to fend off gasol and bynum with fransico elson. i remember those games. lol no matter what kobe has always had a dominate frontline. no stat ever will overpower that. :lmao

its really funny to see you try tho.

OMG you are the biggest idiot ever
oh man this is sad
:lmao

btw, Bynum didnt play a single playoff game in 2008
:lol

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

35.4 PPG in 2005-06 season (only the 4th player to ever average 35+ PPG)
31.6 PPG in 2006-07 season
32.8 PPG in 2007 Playoffs
30.2 PPG in 2008 Playoffs
30.1 PPG in 2009 Playoffs
32.4 PPG and 7.4 APG in the 2009 NBA Finals

the 40pt games, 50pt games, 60pt games, 81....
do i need to go on?

06-07 playoffs i remember those. what happened again? early playoff exit? lol ppg is your only argument. whoa didnt see the 1 assist stat you had their at the end.

[ElNono]

What happened the year after (2003)? Did Kome outscore the Spurs too? :lol

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

OMG you are the biggest idiot ever
oh man this is sad
:lmao

btw, Bynum didnt play a single playoff game in 2008
:lol

o yea thats right but didnt they have that other guy. oh whats his name lamar odom. lol still having a PF that most teams would kill to have as their starting PF coming off the bench still makes your stats looking meaningless.

[Deuce Bigalow]

06-07 playoffs i remember those. what happened again? early playoff exit? lol ppg is your only argument. whoa didnt see the 1 assist stat you had their at the end.

this is your quote

lol funny seeing kobes best years where from when shaq was the most the most unstoppable post player ever. really hard to score when the whole defense is focused on defensive rotations for shaq.

thats why i posted PPG

again, your an idiot
:lol

[ElNono]

How many did Kome score in the 122-86 loss when Dallas swept them last playoffs?

crofl

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

real question. can you make 1 real argument without using PPG or the only real argument a laker fan his in team achievments?

[Deuce Bigalow]

0-4 in 2011 Playoffs when Gasol had heart troubles

tee hee

what happened to dUNCAN IN 2008-2011

destroyed by LA in 2008
swept by the suns in 2010
lost to the 8th seed in 2011
:lol

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

this is your quote


thats why i posted PPG

again, your an idiot
:lol

why didnt you post the percentages? i can score 30 a game if im the only player shooting.

[ElNono]

what happened to dUNCAN IN 2009-2011

swept by the suns in 2010
lost to the 8th seed in 2011
:lol

At least Jim made the playoffs... crofl 2005

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

what happened to dUNCAN IN 2008-2011

destroyed by LA in 2008
swept by the suns in 2010
lost to the 8th seed in 2011
:lol

damn straight won as many games in the 2nd round as lakers this playoffs too.

[Deuce Bigalow]

real question. can you make 1 real argument without using PPG or the only real argument a laker fan his in team achievments?

you dont make sense, you fist say that its kinda hard to score when you dont have shaq and the defense is focused on you
and i posted PPG
then you say thats stats, cant used that, makes duncan look bad
:lmao

[ElNono]

How many did Kome score in the 122-86 loss when Dallas swept them last playoffs?

crofl

[Deuce Bigalow]

why didnt you post the percentages? i can score 30 a game if im the only player shooting.

45+%, depends on which season/playoffs

2008 playoffs kobe averaged 48%

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

u gonna cry when duncan breaks magic record of most consecutive playoff appearances or does that stat not matter because kobe couldnt do?

[Deuce Bigalow]

how many points did duncan score in game 4 of the 2010 WCSF vs the Suns?
:lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

u gonna cry when duncan breaks magic record of most consecutive playoff appearances or does that stat not matter because kobe couldnt do?

but but but but but thats a team accomplishemt:lmao

[Deuce Bigalow]

kobe has as much rings as magic
u mad?

[ElNono]

how many points did duncan score in game 4 of the 2010 WCSF vs the Suns?
:lol

More than Kome in the 2007 WCF

tee hee

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

45+%, depends on which season/playoffs

2008 playoffs kobe averaged 48%
found the key words

lol at using his career stat when it includes his years with shaq. :nopenice try

[ElNono]

kobe has as much rings as magic
u mad?

and less than horry
u mad brah?

lol

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

kobe has as much rings as magic
u mad?

mad that nash has as more mvps than kobe?

[ElNono]

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lol closer

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

lol this guy really is fun to mess with. you really should have chosen the name stats or ppg. fits you perfect

[ElNono]

lol this guy really is fun to mess with. you really should have chosen the name stats or ppg. fits you perfect

lol, you don't know who this troll is?

[Deuce Bigalow]

spurs fans are worse than i thought

i thought you guys were cool, but you actually are the worst fans

[Deuce Bigalow]

mad that nash has as more mvps than kobe?

mad that kobe has more rings than duncan?

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

lol, you don't know who this troll is?
nope really havnt posted in the nba forum till the lockout. not familiar with most of the nba forum trolls.

[ElNono]

:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry spurs fans are worse than i thought :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry

:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry i thought you guys were cool, but you actually are the worst fans:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry

:lmao

[Deuce Bigalow]

all this kobe hatred built up from kobe beating you guys year after year

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

spurs fans are worse than i thought

i thought you guys were cool, but you actually are the worst fans

lol says the guy who rides on the dick of a rapist

[ElNono]

all this kobe hatred built up from shaq and gasol beating you guys year after year

fify

[Deuce Bigalow]

lol says the guy who rides on the dick of a rapist

i dont ride on no dick faggot

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

all this kobe hatred built up from kobe beating you guys year after year

no respect for a crybaby who bitched on draft day & got his HOF career handed to him. yes it was handed to him.

[Deuce Bigalow]

no respect for a crybaby who bitched on draft day & got his HOF career handed to him. yes it was handed to him.

u mad about it?
:lol

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

u mad about it?
:lol

never said i was mad just have no respect. kobe would be looked at the same as lebron today if had stayed on the hornets. hell i have more respect for lebron for how long he stayed on the cavs.

[Deuce Bigalow]

never said i was mad just have no respect. kobe would be looked at the same as lebron today if had stayed on the hornets. hell i have more respect for lebron for how long he stayed on the cavs.

jerry west traded vlade for kobe

man u fail hard

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

jerry west traded vlade for kobe

man u fail hard

not shit. did i not mention kobe staying on the hornets. go back to using stats.

[Venti Quattro]

Man this thread is interesting.

[Deuce Bigalow]

not shit. did i not mention kobe staying on the hornets. go back to using stats.

he couldnt stay on the hornets, he got traded

:lol

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

Man this thread is interesting.

o thank you god. a laker fan that can make a real argument without stats.

[ElNono]

Man this thread is interesting.

sup venti

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

he couldnt stay on the hornets, he got traded

:lol

you keep failing. this goes back to my main point of having his career handed to him. he would have gone sooner in the draft if he wasnt bitching on draft day. teams passed on him due to that.

[Deuce Bigalow]

you keep failing. this goes back to my main point of having his career handed to him. he would have gone sooner in the draft if he wasnt bitching on draft day. teams passed on him due to that.

man u fail

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

man u fail
what no argument? just u fail because you cant make an argument. forgot this doesnt involve stats.

[Deuce Bigalow]

please stop talking

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

please stop talking

:lol u mad bro?

[Deuce Bigalow]

:lol u mad bro?

why would i be mad at a spurs fan

lakers have owned you guys

:lol

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

why would i be mad at a spurs fan

lakers have owned you guys

:lol

no not really being the most consitant team in the nba. only shaq dominated us.:lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

no not really being the most consitant team in the nba. only shaq dominated us.:lol

2008 WCF

:rollin

and it was kobe who dominated the spurs

and the lakers won more championships and been to more finals
and have more playoff wins the last decade

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe vs Spurs in the Playoffs
2008 WCF: 29.2 PPG and 3.8 APG on 53%
2004 WCSF: 26/6/6 on 46%
2002 WCSF: 26/5/4 on 46&
2001 WCF: 33.3/7/7 on 51%

[daslicer]

This guy is Deuce

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[Venti Quattro]

o thank you god. a laker fan that can make a real argument without stats.
lol Have I even made any argument? Well except that Deuce Bigalow, no matter how big of a deucebag he is, has so far posted correct stats.


sup venti
Busy with football scrah (lol soccer). Going to be fun to watch Barca take a dump on RMou. Even more fun to read joshdaboss (leave Cristiano aloneeee :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry) rant about how Messi=GOD is overrated (31/0 :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry).

[ElNono]

Busy with football scrah (lol soccer). Going to be fun to watch Barca take a dump on RMou. Even more fun to read joshdaboss (leave Cristiano aloneeee :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry) rant about how Messi=GOD is overrated (31/0 :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry).

lol gaynaldo

RMAO

[Killakobe81]

o yea those where the games where shaq was pulling double & triple teams. i remember those games.

Why would you double triple team shaq when you have two legit 7 footers to protect the paint? that makes no sense, Pop is a HOF coach .... that would be stupid. I agree shaq was the focus of most defenses back then, but no need to exaggerate to argue an obvious troll attempt.

[lefty]

Kobe shits on the Spurs and tired old dirtbag Jim Dunan

[z0sa]

The Spurs aren't making the playoffs this season. That was the last hoorah last season. Like a dying man gasping for his last breath.

That dying man finished ahead of Kobe in the standings.

6-24 and Shaq's dominance, the things every non-Lakerfan will remember Kobe for. :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

That dying man finished ahead of Kobe in the standings.

6-24 and Shaq's dominance, the things every non-Lakerfan will remember Kobe for. :lol

:lol

Game 7s

Duncan - 25 points on 27 shots

4th quarter points in game 7
Manu - 11
Horry - 5
Duncan - 5

Kobe - 23 points on 24 shots

4th quarter points in game 7
Kobe - 10
Gasol - 9

also Kobe had 15 rebounds, Duncan had 11

[Killakobe81]

:lol

Game 7s

Duncan - 25 points on 27 shots

4th quarter points in game 7
Manu - 11
Horry - 5
Duncan - 5

Kobe - 23 points on 24 shots

4th quarter points in game 7
Kobe - 10
Gasol - 9

also Kobe had 15 rebounds, Duncan had 11

Fair points ... TBH, but Kobe haters love to throw 6-24 around ... so these stats won't matter.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Fair points ... TBH, but Kobe haters love to throw 6-24 around ... so these stats won't matter.

but isnt 10-27 for a 7 footer just as bad?
to me it is

kobe makes up for that by out-rebounding the big 3 combined
rebounds
Kobe - 15
KG + Peirce + Allen - 15

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

o yea those where the games where shaq was pulling double & triple teams. i remember those games.
Not picking on you per se, because I've seen this argument before. I watched the video to see how many times in this case Kobe scored off a Shaq double team. Not saying this is the norm, you would have to research all Kobe's points against the Spurs with Shaq on team in all playoff games to prove your point, but it doesn't hold up in this example. The rotations the Spurs used were horrible.

Finally, I saw a Kobe score off a double team of Shaq example, at the 2:49 mark. Kobe is defended by Bowen at the 3 point line, and passes in to Shaq, who is guarded by Duncan. Can't see DRob anywhere. Two Spurs are at free throw line, kind of guarding some non-threats, and either could have rotated to double Shaq. Instead, Bowen leaves Kobe open by 15 feet to double up Shaq. Kobe sinks an easy 3, his first in the series with assist to Shaq.

At the 3:46 mark, Shaq has ball in the post and is again guarded by Duncan with Robinson in the vicinity. 2 Lakers are not even on the screen, one is Kobe. Two Spurs are standing near free throw line, top of key. Those missing Lakers are their responsibility. One Spur finds a guy to defend, the other, Antonio Daniels, leaves Kobe open by 15 feet to run toward Shaq. Shaq passes to Kobe for another 3. Tim and David had Shaq covered just fine, a triple team was not needed.

At the 4:22 mark, ball goes into Shaq in the post, 12 feet out and single covered by DRob. Shaq isn't even looking to make a move, he's looking to pass, and does twice. On secnd Shaq posession, Bowen leaves Kobe again to think about doubling Shaq, but only by 5 feet. Another 3 by Kobe, assist to Shaq. Bowen contested, Kobe just made a clutch shot. Tie game, 85-85 with 2 minutes left.

Score remained same until last play starting with 25 seconds left and Kobe rebounded a Fisher miss for the win. Shaq was a spectator the entire play.

I think the post at the top of the You Tube page says it all nicely:


Where are the Kobe haters? They like to pretend like Kobe doesn't play good in the playoffs. The Lakers would have lost this game if it wasn't for Kobe. Kobe and Shaq were equally important to this team. This video doesn't say anything different. If anybody replies to this trying to change my mind, then you're just gonna get embarrassed with facts.


csikkmusic (http://www.spurstalk.com/user/csikkmusic) 2 years ago 47 http://www.spurstalk.com//s.ytimg.com/yt/img/pixel-vfl3z5WfW.gif
Anyway, I invite both Lakers and Spurs fans to prove or disprove the theory that Kobe scored so well against the Spurs because Shaq required all the attention. Right now, it isn't looking good.

[LkrFan]

At least Jim made the playoffs... crofl 2005

:lol

[LkrFan]

Not picking on you per se, because I've seen this argument before. I watched the video to see how many times in this case Kobe scored off a Shaq double team. Not saying this is the norm, you would have to research all Kobe's points against the Spurs with Shaq on team in all playoff games to prove your point, but it doesn't hold up in this example. The rotations the Spurs used were horrible.

Finally, I saw a Kobe score off a double team of Shaq example, at the 2:49 mark. Kobe is defended by Bowen at the 3 point line, and passes in to Shaq, who is guarded by Duncan. Can't see DRob anywhere. Two Spurs are at free throw line, kind of guarding some non-threats, and either could have rotated to double Shaq. Instead, Bowen leaves Kobe open by 15 feet to double up Shaq. Kobe sinks an easy 3, his first in the series with assist to Shaq.

At the 3:46 mark, Shaq has ball in the post and is again guarded by Duncan with Robinson in the vicinity. 2 Lakers are not even on the screen, one is Kobe. Two Spurs are standing near free throw line, top of key. Those missing Lakers are their responsibility. One Spur finds a guy to defend, the other, Antonio Daniels, leaves Kobe open by 15 feet to run toward Shaq. Shaq passes to Kobe for another 3. Tim and David had Shaq covered just fine, a triple team was not needed.

At the 4:22 mark, ball goes into Shaq in the post, 12 feet out and single covered by DRob. Shaq isn't even looking to make a move, he's looking to pass, and does twice. On secnd Shaq posession, Bowen leaves Kobe again to think about doubling Shaq, but only by 5 feet. Another 3 by Kobe, assist to Shaq. Bowen contested, Kobe just made a clutch shot. Tie game, 85-85 with 2 minutes left.

Score remained same until last play starting with 25 seconds left and Kobe rebounded a Fisher miss for the win. Shaq was a spectator the entire play.

I think the post at the top of the You Tube page says it all nicely:

Anyway, I invite both Lakers and Spurs fans to prove or disprove the theory that Kobe scored so well against the Spurs because Shaq required all the attention. Right now, it isn't looking good.

Great post. Thanks. :tu

[LkrFan]

Deuce Bigalow (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=26995) with the goods. :tu

[namlook]

That dying man finished ahead of Kobe in the standings.

6-24 and Shaq's dominance, the things every non-Lakerfan will remember Kobe for. :lol

Even haters will always remember 81 points.

[midnightpulp]

The Spurs aren't making the playoffs this season. That was the last hoorah last season. Like a dying man gasping for his last breath.

RIP, tired old shit bag.

Kind of like what I reduced your played out ass to here on Spurstalk.