Ranked 33rd in career points & 22nd in rebounds, yet this clown is "the best PF"?

[BRHornet45]

LOL sons give me a fucking break. I always knew that Duncan's stats were absolutely nowhere near the top, but I had no idea just how low they truly were until actually looking up the facts. The guy isn't even a top 30 all time scorer or not even a top 20 rebounder, yet some of you still believe that he is the greatest power forward of all time? ... seriously?

I mean really just what the fuck is going on here sons? are some of you too homerish or just too damn ignorant to admit the truth about Duncan? the dude was a badass player from about 1998 until 2007ish, and nothing more and nothing less. Hall of famer? of course (considering they allow just about anyone in there now days) ... but greatest of all time? LMAO!!! Tim Duncan was never a standout player who made you say "wow that guy is good!". he was just the boring 6'11, goofy looking guy who could hit a bank shot and was just blessed to play on defensively stacked teams his entire career with hall of fame coaching, and solid scorers all around him.

I can think of at least 10-12 big men who had more impact on the game than Duncan ever did. all of which had better numbers than him as well.

Kareem Abdul Jabbar: Total Points - 38,387 - 24.6 PPG 11.2 RPG

Karl Malone: Total Points - 36,928 - 25.0 PPG 10.1 RPG

Wilt Chamberlain: Total Points - 31,419 - 30.1 PPG 22.9 RPG

Moses Malone: Total Points - 29,580 - 20.3 PPG 12.3 RPG

Shaq: Total Points - 28,596 - 23.7 PPG 10.9 RPG

Elvin Hayes: Total Points - 27,313 - 21.0 PPG 12.5 RPG

Hakeem: Total Points- 26,946 - 21.8 PPG 11.1 RPG

Charles Barkley: Total Points - 23,757 - 22.1 PPG 11.7 RPB

Dirk: Total Points - 22,792 - 23.0 PPG 8.4 RPG

Bill Russell: Total Points - 14,522 - 15.1 PPG 22.5 RPG

[Sean Cagney]

0 titles for your franchise with no HOF player............ Get off his dick already SONS.

[BRHornet45]

no sons I mean really wtf ... 32 players have scored more points than Duncan and 21 players have grabbed more rebounds than Duncan.

[Dunc n Dave]

lol Dirk having "more impact on the game" just because of his career points.

[BRHornet45]

0 titles for your franchise with no HOF player............ Get off his dick already SONS.

ahh the typical Spur fan defense ... just ignore the facts

[BRHornet45]

lol Dirk having "more impact on the game" just because of his career points.

no ... because he can actually take over a game and put his team on his back. Duncan's goofy, giraffe looking ass just stood around and could hit a bank shot or layup every now and then. LOL at Spurs fans thinking rings is all that matters when it comes to ranking players.

Horry the greatest ever according to Spur fan!

[Dunc n Dave]

no ... because he can actually take over a game and put his team on his back. Duncan's goofy, giraffe looking ass just stood around and could hit a bank shot or layup every now and then. LOL at Spurs fans thinking rings is all that matters when it comes to ranking players.

Horry the greatest ever according to Spur fan!

Who said rings are all that matters? I didn't....

But nice try. You're making yourself look stupid. Keep it up!:toast

[BRHornet45]

Who said rings are all that matters? I didn't....

But nice try. You're making yourself look stupid. Keep it up!:toast

no son I ask you to argue the case here. don't bash a bastard, red headed step child franchise like the Hornets in order to ignore the issue at hand. we are talking about Tim Duncan being terribly overrated because he was just the best player on the best teams at the time. therefor the media crowned him, yet his stats prove otherwise. please son state your reasons as to why you disagree with my post and how can a player who isn't even in the top 30 in scoring or the top 20 in rebounding be considered the best ever at his position?

[Dunc n Dave]

no son I ask you to argue the case here. don't bash a bastard, red headed step child franchise like the Hornets in order to ignore the issue at hand. we are talking about Tim Duncan being terribly overrated because he was just the best player on the best teams at the time. therefor the media crowned him, yet his stats prove otherwise. please son state your reasons as to why you disagree with my post and how can a player who isn't even in the top 30 in scoring or the top 20 in rebounding be considered the best ever at his position?

lol at saying "spurs fans claim rings are all that matters" when your whole argument against Duncan is based on ONLY "career points scored"

I guessthat Alex English, and Adrian Dantley are better than Larry Bird by your standards? (or should I say they "had more impact on the game.":lol

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTamlaLwlU_K6U5QozHv_P9DmGljnLJK nSRy2dFsrfrp7Phw7pN

[Sean Cagney]

COME ON SONS! GIve the man his due from time to time bruh.... Just do it!

[BRHornet45]

lol at saying "spurs fans claim rings are all that matters" when your whole argument against Duncan is based on ONLY "career points scored"

I guessthat Alex English, and Adrian Dantley are better than Larry Bird by your standards? (or should I say they "had more impact on the game.":lol

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTamlaLwlU_K6U5QozHv_P9DmGljnLJK nSRy2dFsrfrp7Phw7pN

lol ignorance is bliss

son did you even read the title of this thread???

I stated that Duncan is not only nowhere near the top in points scored, but also in rebounding where many of you idiots claim he is one of the best ever. when in reality, Duncan isn't even a top 20 rebounder. how pathetic is that for your argument now?

[BRHornet45]

COME ON SONS! GIve the man his due from time to time bruh.... Just do it!

son I did. I said that Duncan is going into the hall of fame because the qualifications of getting into the NBA hall of fame nowadays is about as easy as getting kicked in the head by an LSU football player. god bless

[Nathan89]

Charles Barkley and I are big Spurs homers who think that TIMMY is the greatest PF to ever play the game.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

where does david west rank?

[Hooks]

"defensively stacked" :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

son I did. I said that Duncan is going into the hall of fame because the qualifications of getting into the NBA hall of fame nowadays is about as easy as getting kicked in the head by an LSU football player. god blessThere is no NBA hall of fame.

[Sean Cagney]

where does david west rank?

Toward JUWAN HOWARD TYPE and average as FUCK!

[lefty]

BR's knowledge of the game never ceases to amaze me

[Lincoln]

also, how the fuck did this pussy only put up 13/8 :lmao :lmao last year? he is deteriorating fast and has no longevity crofl

[Sean Cagney]

also, how the fuck did this pussy only put up 13/8 :lmao :lmao last year? he is deteriorating fast and has no longevity crofl

LOL your man has one ring faggot, 4 rings for him faggot........... :lol:lol LAUGH at that. LOL at Dallas fans now talking like they are elite from one title!

[BRHornet45]

as usual Spurs fans result to attacking other teams instead of confronting the truth. LOL at their "ring" argument ... Horry is da best according to them

[4>0rings]

LMAO @ N.O. Hornets owner inline downtown on the first and fifteenth

[BRHornet45]

lol mad

[fevertrees]

1999*

[Deuce Bigalow]

Player with a Championship, Finals MVP, MVP, 10 All-NBA teams, 10 All-Defensive teams:

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan

[djohn2oo8]

LOL your man has one ring faggot, 4 rings for him faggot........... :lol:lol LAUGH at that. LOL at Dallas fans now talking like they are elite from one title!

Trollage casualty

[LkrFan]

:corn:

[boutons_deux]

Brh, gfy.

[Leetonidas]

BRHornet is a fucking faggot. Always has been a little dyke-loving cuck piece of shit in his shitty swamp state. All butthurt and constantly trying to troll gnsf because Tim Duncan fucked his team in their asses for many years. lol wnba loving faggot

[Leetonidas]

Fuck!

[Leetonidas]

Shit piss anal cunt stain fucking asshole bitch tits faggot!

[Leetonidas]

:makeout

[djohn2oo8]

Lee is goin HAM :rolleyes

[Leetonidas]

and cheese nigga!!!!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

upgrade from bologna

[Leetonidas]

upgrade from bologna

:depressed

[djohn2oo8]

upgrade from bologna
:lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:depressed
:elephant:elephant:elephant:downspin::downspin::ma rried::sleep:lol:lmao:lmao:nope:nope:nope:elephant :elephant:elephant

[Leetonidas]

http://marcamos.com/ha/i-aint-even-mad.jpg

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

http://www.dlisted.com/files/16255969.jpg

[Axe Murderer]

http://englishvg1.wikispaces.com/file/view/Ralph-with-ipod-ralph-wiggum-93830_420_371.jpg/33559113/Ralph-with-ipod-ralph-wiggum-93830_420_371.jpg

Not even top 30 in scoring or top 20 in rebound = hall of fame in my book!

[BlackSwordsMan]

Everyone knows Dirk is the best PF.

[Namundy]

Poster begins with saying Duncan is not the all time best power forward then lists centers as evidence. Logic fail. Also clearly just went down the NBA all time scorer list. Grade A research.

[Leetonidas]

Be nice man, he's "trolling"

[Namundy]

Yes, but somewhere deep down, he actually thinks he has a valid point.

[Dex]

Too bad none of those chumps are the Best PF of All Time.

[Leetonidas]

I got both Barkley and Malone over Jim.

But you're a Naruto loving asian faggot so your opinion is invalid.

Also lol having a guy who has claimed Duncan the best PF over him

[Lincoln]

Lol pot smoking dumbfuck

[z0sa]

pot smoking

what an insult!

br you are sad dude, pick either Kobe or Duncan to hate on cause hating on both makes you sound whiny as fuck

[Lincoln]

:cry I sound whiny as fuck :cry what an insult :cry :cry

[z0sa]

it wasn't an insult, it was a statement of fact, unlike your post unfortunately :lol

[Lincoln]

Tbh just answer why at the age of 35 tim Duncan is putting up shitty ass numbers

[Lincoln]

it wasn't an insult, it was a statement of fact, unlike your post unfortunately :lol

Prove it

[Koolaid_Man]

Prove it


Dallas fan should not be talking shit to Spur fan......only Laker fans are allowed to tax that Spur fan ass...

Dallas is one and done :lol

[z0sa]

prove what? that you're such a dumbass you call someone a potsmoker as an insult while the dude in your avatar/sig is prolly cuttin up some phillies right now? lol

these st kids

[Lincoln]

Damn Brah, why you getting so defensive :cry Roll up too many joints today?

[Lincoln]

Dallas fan should not be talking shit to Spur fan......only Laker fans are allowed to tax that Spur fan ass...

Dallas is one and done :lol

122-86

Sup kevin

[z0sa]

pulling that card won't save you from everyone now knowing you're a fuckin loser who hasn't ever puffed on a joint in his life because his mommy told him it's bad for his wittle lungs.

but plz, carry on acting hard on the interwebz kid :lol

[Lincoln]

Lol thinking you're hard for smoking a joint

And tbh I have multiple times but it's lame IMO, getting drunk is >

[Axe Murderer]

pulling that card won't save you from everyone now knowing you're a fuckin loser who hasn't ever puffed on a joint in his life because his mommy told him it's bad for his wittle lungs.

but plz, carry on acting hard on the interwebz kid :lol

tell us more!

[Koolaid_Man]

Lol thinking you're hard for smoking a joint

And tbh I have multiple times but it's lame IMO, getting drunk is >


second hand smoke doesn't count you imbecile...:lol

[Lincoln]

second hand smoke doesn't count you imbecile...:lol

Tbh only used a joint once seein how it wastes bud. All otter times was a pipe. But it's lame as fuck

But when your life consists of white water rafting, guess you have to smoke to have fun :lmao

[Lincoln]

Zosa is still getting defensive as fuck over his idol averaging 13/8 at 35. Asshurt about pot smoking too apparently :lmao

[Leetonidas]

Lol pot smoking dumbfuck

Ouch! My feelings have been crushed :cry :cry

[Lincoln]

Sup lee

[Leetonidas]

Sup MD

[Calf Tats]

Most overrated player in NBA history imo. Can't win shit without multiple HOF ers around him.

[Lincoln]

Nm nigga, writin a paper for college tbqh. :(

[Koolaid_Man]

Tbh only used a joint once seein how it wastes bud. All otter times was a pipe. But it's lame as fuck

But when your life consists of white water rafting, guess you have to smoke to have fun :lmao


I don't smoke...:hat

[Leetonidas]

Nm nigga, writin a paper for college tbqh. :(

Same here bro, fucking college

[Dex]

I got both Barkley and Malone over Jim.

That's cool. Go ahead and continue to convince yourself that your opinion matters.

[joshdaboss]

Everyone, in their heart of hearts, knows that Duncan is the best PF of all-time and the best player post-Jordan.

[Namundy]

You all call Duncan a PF, but he was the Spurs center. Also, Barkley, and Malone are on that list. Hakeem also started his career as a PF.

I think it would be appropriate to go by the position he has played for the majority of his career and what shows up in box scores. That's official.

[Lincoln]

namundy, with the lurkin forever and rarely posting but drops niggas when he does 1billups1 goods

[DeadlyDynasty]

Everyone, in their heart of hearts, knows that Duncan is the best PF of all-time and the best player post-Jordan.

Can't believe you just shafted LeBron like that, tbh.

[Donkeybong]

I agree that Duncan isnt the all time best PF

[joshdaboss]

Can't believe you just shafted LeBron like that, tbh.

LeBron is right up there, considering he plays both ends of the floor, but Duncan has the accomplishments.

[Deuce Bigalow]

people overrate him when they say hes better than shaq and kobe

[BRHornet45]

sons you can hate on me all you want, you can hate on the Hornets all you want, and you can hate on other players like Kobe and LeBron all you want ... but the truth is the truth and you can't deny the facts.

Tim Duncan who is supposed to be considered "the greatest power forward of all time" or "one of the greatest big men of all time" is ranked 33rd in total career points scored and ranked 22nd in total career rebounds. those are the facts and for someone who some consider to be the best at his position or one of the best big men ever, those numbers are absolutely pathetic when compared to other all time greats. then if you mix in the fact that he started declining at such a young age (around 30 years old) it makes him look even more weaker when compared to other greats.

[BRHornet45]

at 34 years old ...

Duncan put up 13 and 8



Malone put up 27 and 10

Jordan put up almost 29 and won a title

Wilt put up 20 and 18

Elvin put up 23 and 11

Kareem put up 24 and 8

Barkley put up 15 and 11

Hakeem put up 23 and 9

Moses put up 19 and 10

Bird put up 19 and 8

need anymore?

[Koolaid_Man]

at 34 years old ...

Duncan put up 13 and 8



Malone put up 27 and 10

Jordan put up almost 29 and won a title

Wilt put up 20 and 18

Elvin put up 23 and 11

Kareem put up 24 and 8

Barkley put up 15 and 11

Hakeem put up 23 and 9

Moses put up 19 and 10

Bird put up 19 and 8

need anymore?


You keep propping up Kobe and and denigrating Duncan and I just may be forced to re-evaluate our relationship....:lol

[BRHornet45]

son its not about picking favorites or hating on players for no reason. the truth is the truth. both Duncan and Kobe are terribly overrated, but more so Duncan.

[Koolaid_Man]

son its not about picking favorites or hating on players for no reason. the truth is the truth. both Duncan and Kobe are terribly overrated, but more so Duncan.


Well BR when you challenge me you need facts not emotions...

Facts:

Kobe is # 6 all-time scoring...passed Hakeem, Moses Malone, and Elvin Hayes this past season and will pass Shaq next season...

Kobe is # 50 all-time in assists...quite a feat for a 2 guard.

He did all of this while playing with the the most ball-dominant big man in history. You would think that Shaq's presence would have prevented Kobe from achieving this... Now I could have accepted your argument had he not rang twice post Shaq...but he did and now has 5 titles...Kobe has made the case that Shaq needed him more than he needed Shaq...he proved it by ranging twice more...so I need something from you more than just emo....:lol

[Namundy]

I can see where you are arguing from, and obviously I'm a Spurs homer, but your logic is flawed.

A.) Duncan's minutes are FAR FAR less than any of those guys. (But you're right, his value drops since he's not on the court). However, on a per 48 min. basis he is still close to 20-10. He played 28 minutes a game last year and took on a diminished role instead of trying to dominate past his prime (cough Kobe cough).

B.) Duncan's career is not over, whereas most of the people you listed are retired. Granted, he only has 1-3 years left in his career. You are not accounting for where he will end up.

C.) Defense. Duncan's defensive presence in his prime was uncanny. He could guard anyone and coupled with Robinson they formed a towering front line that opposing teams had to counter with excellent outside shooting.

D.) Playoff performances. Too many times to count Duncan has come up big in the playoffs. Excluding the last year where Memphis waxed his ass.

E.) Passing. One of the best big men to share the ball when double teamed.

I think when Spurs fans argue for Duncan, it's because we have watched every dimension of his game. He was EXCELLENT at everything he did. He may not be the best PF of all time but he certainly deserves to be mentioned. But every Spurs fan will think he's the best because we were blessed with the opportunity to watch him day in and day out.

The only thing Timmy really did sub-par was free throws.

[Koolaid_Man]

Plus BR I have these opinions:

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[BRHornet45]

Well BR when you challenge me you need facts not emotions...

Facts:

Kobe is # 6 all-time scoring...passed Hakeem, Moses Malone, and Elvin Hayes this past season and will pass Shaq next season...

Kobe is # 50 all-time in assists...quite a feat for a 2 guard.

He did all of this while playing with the the most ball-dominant big man in history. You would think that Shaq's presence would have prevented Kobe from achieving this... Now I could have accepted your argument had he not rang twice post Shaq...but he did and now has 5 titles...Kobe has made the case that Shaq needed him more than he needed Shaq...he proved it by ranging twice more...so I need something from you more than just emo....:lol

son Kobe is a superstar, Duncan never was.

Kobe is an outstanding individual player, but doesn't make his team better

Duncan is a solid teammate who fits into Pop's system about as good as any player can.

Kobe can't lead a team without another superstar on the team

Duncan can't lead a team without playing on defensively stacked teams

Kobe gets the nod over Duncan simply because he can take over a game and score at will. Duncan has never ever made anyone say "wow". Kobe has and that is why he gets the nod over Duncan.

remember sons we are talking about individual players, not team success.

[BRHornet45]

sons the "minutes" argument for Duncan is pure ignorance and a downright stupid excuse. if anything it just goes to show you how out of shape, fallen off, and weak Duncan is if he can no longer play a decent amount of minutes at such a young age.

[Sean Cagney]

LOL still hating on the great one I see..... Keep it up my man it will not give your team one fucking title nor a HOF player near his caliber in your franchise history.

Over 20,000 points, 10k boards and top ten blocks, how many are there? Yeah fuck you bruh...... Great one .

[joshdaboss]

at 34 years old ...

Duncan put up 13 and 8



Malone put up 27 and 10

Jordan put up almost 29 and won a title

Wilt put up 20 and 18

Elvin put up 23 and 11

Kareem put up 24 and 8

Barkley put up 15 and 11

Hakeem put up 23 and 9

Moses put up 19 and 10

Bird put up 19 and 8

need anymore?

These are empty stats. What are their PERs? How many more shots did it take them to get those PPG averages? How many minutes were they playing? What was the pace during that particular era? How many games did their teams win?

[Sean Cagney]

These are empty stats. What are their PERs? How many more shots did it take them to get those PPG averages? How many minutes were they playing? What was the pace during that particular era? How many games did their teams win?

Don't bring logic to this faggot! Him and Lakaluva should have been banned already with their tired acts, both are nothing but idiot trolls. SONS!

[Koolaid_Man]

son Kobe is a superstar, Duncan never was.

Kobe is an outstanding individual player, but doesn't make his team better

Duncan is a solid teammate who fits into Pop's system about as good as any player can.

Kobe can't lead a team without another superstar on the team

Duncan can't lead a team without playing on defensively stacked teams

Kobe gets the nod over Duncan simply because he can take over a game and score at will. Duncan has never ever made anyone say "wow". Kobe has and that is why he gets the nod over Duncan.

remember sons we are talking about individual players, not team success.



Let's take some of these 1 by 1..



Kobe is an outstanding individual player, but doesn't make his team better

What does it mean to say that he doesn't make his teammates better...seriously the only people that say this are people who've never played (non-street) competitive ball.

Practice is where you make your teammates better...by pushing them, yelling at and encouraging them. Fact is Kobe made every single teammate better by simple virtue of demanding excellence from them, by putting pressure on them to step up and perform. Gasol and Odom are classic examples at the highest level of Kobe making his teammates excel and they admit as much.


Kobe can't lead a team without another superstar on the team

Fact is no player in the history of the league with the exception of Hakeem won titles without help. You have to have good and decent and sometimes even hall of fame players to help you win...Ala MJ and Pippen...MJ proved he couldn't win without Pippen...and getting Rodman was a dozey...

Fact also is that Gasol is not a superstar, he's a star but hardly a superstar. Not hype but fact...



remember sons we are talking about individual players, not team success.

Actually we're talking both...Kobe's a great individual talent who transformed that into a great team success for quadrillion of titles

[BRHornet45]

Over 20,000 points, 10k boards and top ten blocks, how many are there? Yeah fuck you bruh...... Great one .

son did you even bother reading the thread title? see that's the problem with most Spur fan defending Duncan. they are just too ignorant and homerish to understand the facts.

son to answer your questions ... there are 32 players who have scored more than "the great one" as you call him. and there are 21 players who have grabbed more boards than him as well. the dude isn't anywhere near the top in either main category.

[BoricuaCJA]

Duncan is 8th all time in blocks. What about that BRHobbit?

[BRHornet45]

Duncan is 8th all time in blocks. What about that BRHobbit?

son no he isn't. he is 10th in blocks overall and 9th in the NBA only.

at least get your facts straight, but LOL at you bragging about blocks and ignoring the bigger stats that actually matter like rebounds and points.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/blk_career.html

[TE]

BR is mad pissed right now.

[midnightpulp]

I know BR is trolling GNSF, but I'll take the bait:

The only stats that matter, playoff stats:

Duncan:

28th all-time PPG
14th all-time in RPG
5th all-time BPG
6th all-time PER
.502 FG% while BR's lover, Karl Malone, shot a pathetic .463 from the field in playoffs. Terrible for a big man. And BR, I know you're an efficiency guy, so you have to find Malone's drop off to that number unacceptable, especially considering Malone played half his career in the "no defense" 80s and early 90s.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I know BR is trolling GNSF, but I'll take the bait:

The only stats that matter, playoff stats:

Duncan:

28th all-time PPG
14th all-time in RPG
5th all-time BPG
6th all-time PER
.502 FG% while BR's lover, Karl Malone, shot a pathetic .463 from the field in playoffs. Terrible for a big man. And BR, I know you're an efficiency guy, so you have to find Malone's drop off to that number unacceptable, especially considering Malone played half his career in the "no defense" 80s and early 90s.

:lmao

[midnightpulp]

:lmao

All it does is combine individual stats, adjusts them for pace, and arrives at number.

But I understand you laugh because Kobe's playoff PER is relatively low for a "superstar."

[BRHornet45]

lol trying to twist and spin the facts around as many ways as possible .... "but but but! his per is good when he plays! so is Blair's per right now and that is why he is the best big man in the NBA today!!" - typical Spur fan

[midnightpulp]

lol trying to twist and spin the facts around as many ways as possible .... "but but but! his per is good when he plays! so is Blair's per right now and that is why he is the best big man in the NBA today!!" - typical Spur fan

lol at Karl Malone's awful .463 shooting percentage in the playoffs. In his first significant playoff run that saw him reach the finals for the first time, he shot a pathetic .435, and often deferred in the clutch to Stockton. You can't have so many INDIVIDUAL playoff failures and be called the greatest PF of all time.

God bless, son.

[midnightpulp]

The great Karl Malone:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199606020SEA.html

Now, BR, how in the hell do you go 8-22 and only grab 5 rebounds in the most important game of your life up to this point against a front line of Shawn Kemp, who was an average to slightly above average overall defender, and an over the hill Sam Perkins?

He even missed 6 fts in game that was decided by 4 points!

Oh, Karl had no help, right? Lol, Stockton went 9-15 and even out rebounded Malone 8 to 5.

Karl :cry "He didn't win a ring because he had to face Jordan" Malone.

[DeadlyDynasty]

The great Karl Malone:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199606020SEA.html

Now, BR, how in the hell do you go 8-22 and only grab 5 rebounds in the most important game of your life up to this point against a front line of Shawn Kemp, who was an average to slightly above average overall defender, and an over the hill Sam Perkins?

He even missed 6 fts in game that was decided by 4 points!

Oh, Karl had no help, right? Lol, Stockton went 9-15 and even out rebounded Malone 8 to 5.

Karl :cry "He didn't win a ring because he had to face Jordan" Malone.

I remember that game (and that series)...Sonics should've won it in 5.

[midnightpulp]

I remember that game (and that series)...Sonics should've won it in 5.

Yeah, Kemp manhandled Karl Malone, out performed him in pretty much every game, prompting Jordan to call Kemp the best power forward in the league. It was indeed Malone's David Robinson/Hakeem Olajuwon moment.

[DeadlyDynasty]

True...that was back when he was The Rainman, and not some washed-up, overweight cokehead. Those Sonics teams were loaded and fun to watch...too bad they blew their best chance in '93 with the Nuggets choke. What could've been.

[LkrFan]

These are empty stats. What are their PERs? How many more shots did it take them to get those PPG averages? How many minutes were they playing? What was the pace during that particular era? How many games did their teams win?

PER? :lol

[LkrFan]

lol Big Shitty

:lol

[Namundy]

Well it's nice to know that according to the genius BRHornet, Kareem Abdul Jabar is the greatest basketball player ever. Personally I think it's Michael Jordan but the STATS DON'T LIE!

Sound logic from a twelve year old behind a keyboard. Next.

[lefty]

I don't know many PF's who schooled Shaq the way DUncan did in the 2002 (Spurs lost the series, but still Shaq had no answer) and 2003 playoffs

BRHornet :lmao

[ambchang]

In other news, Larry Bird was ranked 51st in total rebounds, 34th in assists, 32nd in points, and not even ranked in 3PTers made.

Dude, no way is Larry Bird the best SF/F of all time.

[lefty]

In other news, Larry Bird was ranked 51st in total rebounds, 34th in assists, 32nd in points, and not even ranked in 3PTers made.

Dude, no way is Larry Bird the best SF/F of all time.
No fucking way, he should have been 1st in every statistical category

[ambchang]

No fucking way, he should have been 1st in every statistical category

It's true I tell you, stats don't lie.

Like Isiah Thomas said, if he wasn't white, he would have been just another above-average SF.

[Bito Corleone]

This shit still works?

>Take a 2 month break
>Come back to see any news about the lockout
>See the same exact troll threads
>See the same exact idiots falling for the same exact troll threads
>Shakes head and leaves

[cantthinkofanything]

Fify


this shit still works?

>take a 2 month break
>come back to see any news about the lockout
>see the same exact troll threads
>see the same exact idiots falling for the same exact troll threads
> reminds everyone what a pompous douchebag his is
>shakes head and leaves

[BRHornet45]

the stats don't lie like you do ...

33rd in career points
22nd in career rebounds

lol this guy is supposed to be the best?

[BRHornet45]

This shit still works?

>Take a 2 month break
>Come back to see any news about the lockout
>See the same exact troll threads
>See the same exact idiots falling for the same exact troll threads
>Shakes head and leaves

ignorance is bliss. son I have been posting in here every week. what 2 month break are you talking about you bitch ass cuckold?

[TheRealCB]

ignorance is bliss. son I have been posting in here every week. what 2 month break are you talking about you bitch ass cuckold?
Lol reading comprehension fail

[lefty]

ignorance is bliss. son I have been posting in here every week. what 2 month break are you talking about you bitch ass cuckold?
Lol reading comprehension fail

[dbreiden83080]

Barkley and Malone are clearly way better than Duncan.. Not even close..:depressed

[The Principal]

Barkley and Malone are clearly way better than Duncan.. Not even close..:depressed

That's bullshit. You are so fucking off base that it would be laughable if it wasn't so disrespectful to Tim Duncan. You obviously have never watched TD play or maybe never even seen a game before. How can you say that Charles "fat pun" Barkley and Karl "Snailman" Malone are better. "way" better. LMAO at your stupid basketball knowledge. Dumbass.

[Blake]

the stats don't lie like you do ...

33rd in career points
22nd in career rebounds

lol this guy is supposed to be the best?

02-03:

7th in scoring
3rd in rebounding

lol this guy was the MVP?

[lefty]

Stockton never won a ring BECAUSE of Karl Malone

Stock = clutch
Malone = choker

[Deuce Bigalow]

All it does is combine individual stats, adjusts them for pace, and arrives at number.

But I understand you laugh because Kobe's playoff PER is relatively low for a "superstar."

no, thats stat is BS

David Robinson is the 4th greatest of alltime according to that stat, lebron #2, wade #6 alltime, and Paul #8 alltime

kareem, magic, kobe, bird, hakeem are not even top 10 in PER alltime

[DMC]

Barkley and Malone can be argued, but Barkley has said that Tim is the best PF ever, so that takes Barkley out of it imo.

Utah Jazz coach Jerry Sloan called Tim the best to ever play the PF position how he plays it. Take what you will from that.

Kobe Bryant called Tim the best PF/Center to ever play the game.

Personally I never saw all that in Tim, although he was always doing the right things when others weren't, and was a 20/10 guy for most of his career (and could still be if he got the minutes).

Tim destroyed the Lakers in the Forum. Shut that bitch down. Malone was a perennial playoff choke artist. Barkley never had the team around him to get there while he was in his prime, plus the Jordan era was a shitty time for other great players.

Call it whatever you like, Tim is believed to be the best PF to ever play the game by a large majority of basketball pundits. Homers tend to differ depending on their motives.

Tim is also the classiest PF to ever play the game.

Anyhow, the OP is too fixated on intramural basketball with bull dyke players to know anything about the last 12 years in the NBA.

[DMC]

This shit still works?

>Take a 2 month break
>Come back to see any news about the lockout
>See the same exact troll threads
>See the same exact idiots falling for the same exact troll threads
>Shakes head and leaves

lol at people who respond to troll threads laughing at others for responding to the same thread...


wait...


nm

[Koolaid_Man]

Barkley and Malone can be argued, but Barkley has said that Tim is the best PF ever, so that takes Barkley out of it imo.

Utah Jazz coach Jerry Sloan called Tim the best to ever play the PF position how he plays it. Take what you will from that.

Kobe Bryant called Tim the best PF/Center to ever play the game.

Personally I never saw all that in Tim, although he was always doing the right things when others weren't, and was a 20/10 guy for most of his career (and could still be if he got the minutes).

Tim destroyed the Lakers in the Forum. Shut that bitch down. Malone was a perennial playoff choke artist. Barkley never had the team around him to get there while he was in his prime, plus the Jordan era was a shitty time for other great players.

Call it whatever you like, Tim is believed to be the best PF to ever play the game by a large majority of basketball pundits. Homers tend to differ depending on their motives.

Tim is also the classiest PF to ever play the game.

Anyhow, the OP is too fixated on intramural basketball with bull dyke players to know anything about the last 12 years in the NBA.


O really? How is it classy to call the dress code rules implemented by Stern "Retarded"...Tim Duncan is the first and only player that I know of to use such abusive and disrespectful language towards the rules of the nba...i mean come on dude..."Retarded" really...and you call that class :lol

[Stalin]

in addition to scoring and rebounding, duncan also played elite defence, unlike malone/barkley
thats why he's got 4 championships, to their 0

[Koolaid_Man]

in addition to scoring and rebounding, duncan also played elite defence, unlike malone/barkley
thats why he's got 4 championships, to their 0


3 times in the same game..now that's elite defense

mrfElBT_BOY

[midnightpulp]

no, thats stat is BS

David Robinson is the 4th greatest of alltime according to that stat, lebron #2, wade #6 alltime, and Paul #8 alltime

kareem, magic, kobe, bird, hakeem are not even top 10 in PER alltime

Like any other stat, you have to use it in conjunction with common sense. Obviously Lebron and Chris Paul's stats are going to be inflated right now because their careers aren't over yet, so their sample size is still relatively small, while on the other hand, Kareem and Hakeem had lengthy careers, so their declining output at the twilight of their careers will lower their overall number.

David Robinson is without a doubt a top ten regular season player of all-time, but that's ultimately meaningless when you constantly under perform in the post-season, as he did. As for Bird and Magic, one of PER's flaws is that it slightly undervalues assists, thus the lower number compared to other all-time greats.

To me, PER is a much more effective way to measure a player's statistical impact than simply stating per game stats, primarily because it adjusts for pace. If it didn't, we'd be inclined to overrate too many players from faster paced, less defensive oriented eras.

I don't understand why so many fans balk at PER. It simply takes into consideration all the box score stats people love to quote so much, adjusts them for pace, and spits out a number. There's nothing unfair or inconsistent about it, aside from slightly undervaluing assists, which some people (like DoK) might actually agree with. That said, I guess I understand why Kobe fans balk at it. He's still in the prime of his career, and his PER, both regular season and playoff, is very underwhelming when compared to some other all-time greats.

[midnightpulp]

3 times in the same game..now that's elite defense

mrfElBT_BOY

Regular season :sleep

[Stalin]

3 times in the same game..now that's elite defense

mrfElBT_BOY

lol cherry picking

i guess it means kobe>jordan because he never scored 81 :lol

[Koolaid_Man]

Like any other stat, you have to use it in conjunction with common sense. Obviously Lebron and Chris Paul's stats are going to be inflated right now because their careers aren't over yet, so their sample size is still relatively small, while on the other hand, Kareem and Hakeem had lengthy careers, so their declining output at the twilight of their careers will lower their overall number.

David Robinson is without a doubt a top ten regular season player of all-time, but that's ultimately meaningless when you constantly under perform in the post-season, as he did. As for Bird and Magic, one of PER's flaws is that it slightly undervalues assists, thus the lower number compared to other all-time greats.

To me, PER is a much more effective way to measure a player's statistical impact than simply stating per game stats, primarily because it adjusts for pace. If it didn't, we'd be inclined to overrate too many players from faster paced, less defensive oriented eras.

I don't understand why so many fans balk at PER. It simply takes into consideration all the box score stats people love to quote so much, adjusts them for pace, and spits out a number. There's nothing unfair or inconsistent about it, aside from slightly undervaluing assists, which some people (like DoK) might actually agree with. That said, I guess I understand why Kobe fans balk at it. He's still in the prime of his career, and his PER, both regular season and playoff, is very underwhelming when compared to some other all-time greats.


Listen I can tell you why the Lakers got swept...but the real question is why did the an almost 70 win team lose to an 8th seed...they fucking said they wanted to play you, tanked to play you and proceeded to kick your ass...

[midnightpulp]

Listen I can tell you why the Lakers got swept...but the real question is why did the an almost 70 win team lose to an 8th seed...they fucking said they wanted to play you, tanked to play you and proceeded to kick your ass...

Only in your fuckin' retarded negro brain is 61 wins "almost 70."

And you got swept, because Kobe was garbage and Dirk got in that ass something fierce.

[Koolaid_Man]

Only in your fuckin' retarded negro brain is 61 wins "almost 70."

And you got swept, because Kobe was garbage and Dirk got in that ass something fierce.


Garbage...:lol sure...look at Lebron who's in his prime and compare his finals avg to Kobe's avg vs dallas....

You get my point...:lol

[midnightpulp]

Garbage...:lol sure...look at Lebron who's in his prime and compare his finals avg to Kobe's avg vs dallas....

You get my point...:lol

This isn't about Lebron. It's about Kobe. And the so called best player in the world, who your dumbass was convinced was going to dominate all that stood in his way between him and number 6, shouldn't be averaging 17 points on 40% shooting in the final two games of the series.

Lol, Jason Kidd ate the Mamba whole. Didn't even chew. Just swallowed that fucker right up.

Holla!

BQJPHAuctMY

[Leetonidas]

"almost 70"

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[Koolaid_Man]

Only in your fuckin' retarded negro brain is 61 wins "almost 70."

And you got swept, because Kobe was garbage and Dirk got in that ass something fierce.


after 3 straight trips to the finals + an Olympics...what's Timmy's excuse...He came into the league after Kobe and doesn't have nearly the mileage yet he's caput...

now as for Dirk...he didn't beat LA it was Terry going off for 3's...Kobe will never lose at the hands of solely a white boy...you guys should be thanking Turtle Terry for the time being he saved it from being

Kobe 6
Timmy 4

[Koolaid_Man]

"almost 70"

:lmao :lmao :lmao


The target was the Bulls record of 72 wins so yes they were closer to 70 than 50 so yes almost 70....it's just like Kobe scoring 81 compared to Wilt's record...so yes scoring 81 is almost 100...

[midnightpulp]

after 3 straight trips to the finals + an Olympics...what's Timmy's excuse...He came into the league after Kobe and doesn't have nearly the mileage yet he's caput...

now as for Dirk...he didn't beat LA it was Terry going off for 3's...Kobe will never lose at the hands of solely a white boy...you guys should be thanking Turtle Terry for the time being he saved it from being

Kobe 6
Timmy 4

Lol. "Not nearly the mileage." Yeah, Kobe having 2400 more regular season minutes (the equivalent of about 60 games) and 1200 more post-season minutes (about 30 games), is so much more mileage, about a season's worth in total! In addition, big men tend to wear down quicker and Duncan is 2 and half years older than Kobe.

Seriously, no trolling here, why are you so fuckin' stupid?

And Terry didn't save shit. Sure, he had an amazing game 4, but that fuckin' series was over anyhow. The Turtle getting in that ass just added insult to injury, like someone slapping your face with his dick after he got done wrecking your asshole.

And don't give me that shit about "3 straight finals." What, professional athletes can't recover after a 4 month off-season? Oh, I know, they were "mentally" drained. :lol

Lakers just blew this year. Pau turned into a pussy, Derek Fisher is a corpse, Andrew Bynum showed off his bitch tits, and Kobe played like an over the hill Latrell Spreewell. No excuses necessary.

[lefty]

the target was the bulls record of 72 wins so yes they were closer to 70 than 50 so yes almost 70....it's just like kobe scoring 81 compared to wilt's record...so yes scoring 81 is almost 100...

- 19

[BoricuaCJA]

Barkley and Malone are clearly way better than Duncan.. Not even close..:depressed(This is all sarcasm by the way)



That's bullshit. You are so fucking off base that it would be laughable if it wasn't so disrespectful to Tim Duncan. You obviously have never watched TD play or maybe never even seen a game before. How can you say that Charles "fat pun" Barkley and Karl "Snailman" Malone are better. "way" better. LMAO at your stupid basketball knowledge. Dumbass.

[BoricuaCJA]

after 3 straight trips to the finals + an Olympics...what's Timmy's excuse...He came into the league after Kobe and doesn't have nearly the mileage yet he's caput...

now as for Dirk...he didn't beat LA it was Terry going off for 3's...Kobe will never lose at the hands of solely a white boy...you guys should be thanking Turtle Terry for the time being he saved it from being

Kobe 6
Timmy 4
Then aint it Kobe's fault for letting Terry go off b/c it's Kobe's job to guard Terry since he is the 2 guard. How can he be on the 1st team all defense but let his man do that?

[DMC]

O really? How is it classy to call the dress code rules implemented by Stern "Retarded"...Tim Duncan is the first and only player that I know of to use such abusive and disrespectful language towards the rules of the nba...i mean come on dude..."Retarded" really...and you call that class :lol

Tim is the classiest PF to ever play the game. That's an indisputable fact.

[DJ Mbenga]

sons the facts are the facts. except the clown part.

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

My goodness I'm glad I read through the pages of this thread. Seeing Koolaid and BR get eaten alive can really transform a shitty day into a decent one. Mad props to midnight, good stuff.

[joshdaboss]

3 times in the same game..now that's elite defense

mrfElBT_BOY

Hilarious, showing a blatant goaltending 'block'.

[Jodelo]

after 3 straight trips to the finals + an Olympics...what's Timmy's excuse...He came into the league after Kobe and doesn't have nearly the mileage yet he's caput...

now as for Dirk...he didn't beat LA it was Terry going off for 3's...Kobe will never lose at the hands of solely a white boy...you guys should be thanking Turtle Terry for the time being he saved it from being

Kobe 6
Timmy 4

Was this post made before the Playoffs?

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

Was this post made before the Playoffs?

no hes just retarded

[z0sa]

The target was the Bulls record of 72 wins so yes they were closer to 70 than 50 so yes almost 70....it's just like Kobe scoring 81 compared to Wilt's record...so yes scoring 81 is almost 100...

:donkey

[LnGrrrR]

TBH, I'm not sure why BRHornet is a free agent that hasn't been courted by either of the "Krewes".

[lefty]

TBH, I'm not sure why BRHornet is a free agent that hasn't been courted by either of the "Krewes".
Each krew has to have a village idiot

[Nathan89]

TBH, I'm not sure why BRHornet is a free agent that hasn't been courted by either of the "Krewes".

Because he always looks like a jackass. No respectable crew would ever recruit him. He just to damaging to a respectable crew's image.

[LnGrrrR]

Because he always looks like a jackass. No respectable crew would ever recruit him. He just to damaging to a respectable crew's image.

Wait, krewes are respectable now? :)

[z0sa]

Wait, krewes are respectable now? :)

what are "krewes"? :wakeup

[LnGrrrR]

what are "krewes"? :wakeup
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krewe

[Koolaid_Man]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krewe


How is your wife doing? Give her my best if you can...:hat

[LnGrrrR]

How is your wife doing? Give her my best if you can...:hat

Kid is frigging 3 days overdue... slacker. The other one was four days overdue. My kids are lazy.

[Rick Carlisle]

HIsometardM

[LnGrrrR]

HIsometardM

lol lilho'mo/thispedo

[Ashy Larry]

Player with a Championship, Finals MVP, MVP, 10 All-NBA teams, 10 All-Defensive teams:

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan


pretty good stat ....... money stats

[Killakobe81]

You all call Duncan a PF, but he was the Spurs center. Also, Barkley, and Malone are on that list. Hakeem also started his career as a PF.

Let's be real duncan deserves best PF status based on the fact he is great player and one of the best winners in recent NBa history. But even though this was BR's obvious trolling ... his post did open my eyes to some things in order:

1. Wow, Elvin Hayes is pretty damn underrated in the PF argument considering I believe he does have a ring (IIRC) but didnt watch ball in his day and too lazy to look it up.

2. Shaq's rebounding numbers are pretty sad considering he never played with a rodman or thorpe type PF. With his size and speed (before he got fat) his rebound/block numbers should be better.

3. Man as BR has mentioned even with his hang-on season with Lakers, Malone (I guy I never liked cuz he chokes) maintained a high level of play that maybe only Kareem and few others have been able to match.

and come on now We all know duncan is really a center. He could not guard elite PF's consistently for most of his career ...great player great defensive anchor ...and best PF I have ever seen. But the man is a center and in that case I would have him behind Kareem, Hakeem and just above shaq and Moses. At PF he gets the edge over Dirk, KG and Malone but if Malone had two rings I might think differently.

[Killakobe81]

Everyone, in their heart of hearts, knows that (1) Duncan is the best PF of all-time and (2) the best player post-Jordan.

1.Yes
2. Nice try ...

[BRHornet45]

32 players have out scored Duncan
21 players have out rebounded Duncan

yet some think he is the best? dude isn't even remotely close to the top of any stat list that is relevant.

those are the facts

[Killakobe81]

not trying to take BR's side. But my theory on ranking great players is that if the "numbers" are close than rings should decide the matter. and if a player has no rings, hard to argue they are the best at their position.

I give Duncan the edge at PF over Malone, Mchale and KG because the numbers are close with KG and Mchale and Tim has more rings. Malone has better numbers but being ringless rules him out. But the other guys BR posted have much better numbers than Duncan ...so if they have rings like Shaq, Hakeem Kareem and Moses hard to argue Tim is better.

[Koolaid_Man]

32 players have out scored Duncan
21 players have out rebounded Duncan

yet some think he is the best? dude isn't even remotely close to the top of any stat list that is relevant.

those are the facts


plus he has a diamond studded tongue ring.. nasty ass.:lol

[BRHornet45]

not trying to take BR's side. But my theory on ranking great players is that if the "numbers" are close than rings should decide the matter. and if a player has no rings, hard to argue they are the best at their position.

I give Duncan the edge at PF over Malone, Mchale and KG because the numbers are close with KG and Mchale and Tim has more rings. Malone has better numbers but being ringless rules him out. But the other guys BR posted have much better numbers than Duncan ...so if they have rings like Shaq, Hakeem Kareem and Moses hard to argue Tim is better.

Malone was easily the better player and his numbers prove it. Malone had John Stockton and that was it. LOL Jeff Hornaceck .....

Duncan on the other hand has been blessed to play on stacked teams his entire career and has had numerous All Star superstars around him. not to mention Pop's system. Duncan fit into his role, but never stood out as an individual star. Malone did. Also ... Malone never really fell off until his final joke of a season with the Lakers whenever he was 40 years old. Duncan started falling off 4-5 years ago at 30 years old.


Duncan at age 34 ... 13 and 8

Malone at age 34 ... 27 and 10
Malone at age 40 .... 13 and 8

[BRHornet45]

Malone

Career Points - 2nd
Career Rebounds - 7th


Duncan

Career Points - 33rd
Career Rebounds - 22nd


but hey! since one was lucky enough to play on stacked teams and win 3 championships lets just say that he is better and ignore the facts!

[Koolaid_Man]

Malone

Career Points - 2nd
Career Rebounds - 7th


Duncan

Career Points - 33rd
Career Rebounds - 22nd


but hey! since one was lucky enough to play on stacked teams and win 3 championships lets just say that he is better and ignore the facts!

:lol gotdam homie...when you not fucking with them wnba bull dykes you fucking alright... I mean straight bringing the goods...no trolling you straight stcking and moving with the FACTS....I look at you differently now BR I will take back about 5 of my insults towards you..they're now stricken from the record...:lol

[midnightpulp]

Malone

Career Points - 2nd
Career Rebounds - 7th


Duncan

Career Points - 33rd
Career Rebounds - 22nd


but hey! since one was lucky enough to play on stacked teams and win 3 championships lets just say that he is better and ignore the facts!

Karl Malone - .463 shooting in the playoffs.

He was a regular season stat padder who won the genetic lottery in terms of longevity, enabling him to amass an impressive resume of regular season career stats. Nothing more, nothing less.

I'll say it again:


The great Karl Malone:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...606020SEA.html

Now, BR, how in the hell do you go 8-22 and only grab 5 rebounds in the most important game of your life up to this point against a front line of Shawn Kemp, who was an average to slightly above average overall defender, and an over the hill Sam Perkins?

He even missed 6 fts in game that was decided by 4 points!

Oh, Karl had no help, right? Lol, Stockton went 9-15 and even out rebounded Malone 8 to 5.

Karl "He didn't win a ring because he had to face Jordan" Malone.

[BRHornet45]

lol Spur fan getting mad when the facts are in front of him

[midnightpulp]

lol Spur fan getting mad when the facts are in front of him

Lol Karl Malone fan has no rebuttal when shown facts demonstrating how much Karl Malone choked in the real season.

Lol 5 rebounds in game 7 of the Western Conference finals.

[BRHornet45]

33rd in points
22nd in rebounds

nough said ... now son try and spin that shit

[midnightpulp]

33rd in points
22nd in rebounds

nough said ... now son try and spin that shit

Regular season :sleep

Karl Malone: .463 shooting in the playoffs, down over 50 percentage points from his regular season average of .516.

Try and spin that.

[BRHornet45]

lol Spur fan always ragging on Laker fan for them saying that "regular season doesn't count" ... but now all of a sudden you're using the same excuse when it is convenient for you?

pot meet kettle

[midnightpulp]

lol Spur fan always ragging on Laker fan for them saying that "regular season doesn't count" ... but now all of a sudden you're using the same excuse when it is convenient for you?

pot meet kettle

Show me a post of mine where I ragged on Laker fan for that?

You won't find one because I agree the regular season doesn't count.

lol .463. That's a shooting guard's percentage, BR. No great power forward should average that for a career in the real season.

McHale: .561

Barkley: .513

Duncan: .501

Jeff Hornacek: .469 (not a power forward obviously, but I find it beyond amusing that his number is higher than Karl Malone's. Karl had no help, right?)





Malone: .463

Lol Karl Malone. Regular season stat padder. Nothing more, nothing less.

[BRHornet45]

yet Malone still put up 800 more points in his playoff career than Duncan did. lol "Regular season doesn't count" .... lol ranked 33rd in points and 22nd in rebounds, yet he is da best!

[midnightpulp]

yet Malone still put up 800 more points in his playoff career than Duncan did. lol "Regular season doesn't count" .... lol ranked 33rd in points and 22nd in rebounds, yet he is da best!

So? Malone is better scorer than Duncan. On the other hand, Duncan averages more RPG, APG, and BPG in the playoffs than that regular season stat padder.

Lol .463.

Maybe it would be better if you compared Malone to other shooting guards, since that's how he played in the real season.

[BRHornet45]

LOL "Regular season doesn't count" argument

[Stalin]

lol br getting shit on, in his own thread

[Bill_Brasky]

Malone

Career Points - 2nd
Career Rebounds - 7th
Rings - 0


Duncan

Career Points - 33rd
Career Rebounds - 22nd
Rings - 4


but hey! since one was lucky enough to play on stacked teams and win 3 championships lets just say that he is better and ignore the facts!

lol

[BRHornet45]

1999 * ... bogus "Tournament Style" exhibition season. most teams weren't developed, prepared, or trying

2007 - Parker and Manu won that title. Duncan was nothing more than a role player on their team.

[Koolaid_Man]

1999 * ... bogus "Tournament Style" exhibition season. most teams weren't developed, prepared, or trying

2007 - Parker and Manu won that title. Duncan was nothing more than a role player on their team.


BR Hornet you're a fine young man...:toast

[DMC]

Malone was easily the better player and his numbers prove it. Malone had John Stockton and that was it. LOL Jeff Hornaceck .....

Duncan on the other hand has been blessed to play on stacked teams his entire career and has had numerous All Star superstars around him. not to mention Pop's system. Duncan fit into his role, but never stood out as an individual star. Malone did. Also ... Malone never really fell off until his final joke of a season with the Lakers whenever he was 40 years old. Duncan started falling off 4-5 years ago at 30 years old.


Duncan at age 34 ... 13 and 8

Malone at age 34 ... 27 and 10
Malone at age 40 .... 13 and 8

lol duncan finished college, fell off at age 30 and still destroyed the field.

Way to kick your own ass.

[Leetonidas]

I wish Irene had hit New Orleans :cry

[ambchang]

I never realized Duncan played with a player as good as John Stockton in his prime.

Let's see, Robinson was getting up there in age and suffered two career altering injury when Duncan joined the Spurs.

Parker and Ginobili, as much as I love them, is nowhere close to as good as Stockton was in his prime. You are talking about the alltime leader in assist (and steals?), a deadly outside shooter and floor leader. You are talking about one of the best PG of all time (top 5 no doubt). Him alone is about as good as any supporting cast Duncan has ever had.

And then just writing off Jeff Hornacek as some nobody. They guy averaged 12 to 16 points every year playing in Utah, great shooter (that we all know is essential in complimenting a big man).

If course there is Jeff Malone, or the 3rd greatest Malone of all time, who managed to average about 20ppg playing in Utah.

Mark Eaton, as much as a defensive liability as he was, was a monster on D. You are talking a guy who once AVERGAED 5.6 blocks per game for the whole bloody season. 5.6! That number is about as incredible as Wilt's 50.4ppg season. The next highest BPG number for the whole season was 5bpg by some 7-7 freak named Manute Bol, and Eaton was 12% better! You are talking about a 2time DPoY.

Then there is Adrian Dantley, about one of the most efficient scorers in the history of the leaguea guy who can put up 30 points with ease, and he played 3 seasons with Malone.

Thurl Bailey, another 20 ppg scorer

There Dr. Dunkenstein, a high flying SG who can give you 15ppg. The list goes on and on.

But these facts would just fly over BR's head, because you just be trolling.

[mavs>spurs]

I wish Irene had hit New Orleans :cry

yeah i wished the same :depressed

[Bill_Brasky]

1999 * ... bogus "Tournament Style" exhibition season. most teams weren't developed, prepared, or trying

2007 - Parker and Manu won that title. Duncan was nothing more than a role player on their team.

Spin it any way you want, it's still:

Duncan: 4
New Orleans: Katrina

[TD4THREE]

Malone

Career Points - 2nd
Career Rebounds - 7th


Duncan

Career Points - 33rd
Career Rebounds - 22nd


but hey! since one was lucky enough to play on stacked teams and win 3 championships lets just say that he is better and ignore the facts!Here's another one.

NBA all-time regular season games played

Karl malone, 4th most

Tim Duncan 74th most

[Fabbs]

Here's another one.

NBA all-time regular season games played

Karl malone, 4th most

Tim Duncan 74th most
:lol
Has BRButthurt brought up defense in this thread?

[BRHornet45]

sons the truth bombs hurt don't they? typical Spur fan resulting to name calling and other insults such as wishing the hurricane hit New Orleans instead of accepting the pure facts. nothing I stated was false.

33rd in career points
22nd in career rebounds

yet this guy is the best PF of all time? explain

[Bill_Brasky]

sons the truth bombs hurt don't they? typical Spur fan resulting to name calling and other insults such as wishing the hurricane hit New Orleans instead of accepting the pure facts. nothing I stated was false.

33rd in career points
22nd in career rebounds

yet this guy is the best PF of all time? explain


Here's another one.

NBA all-time regular season games played

Karl malone, 4th most

Tim Duncan 74th most

you done yet?

Also, didn't realize it but DAMN that nigga Kobe is in 6th for points right now, I realize he has a couple of extra years on most dudes but DAMN.

[BRHornet45]

lol sons some of you should be criminal defense attorneys by the way you attempt to spin everything around .... lame

even if Duncan played another 10 years in the NBA he still wouldn't reach Malone's numbers. Duncan had a nice little 8 year run putting up damn good numbers, but that's it. he fell off so young that he would never have a chance to put up top player of all time types of numbers. that's just the cold hard truth. how do you explain him putting up such lousy and pathetic numbers this past season at the tender, young age of only 34 whenever other "greats" at his position and any other were steady cruising and not falling off? .... oh that's right! now you spin it by saying "he played less minutes! if only he played regular minutes he would still put up Hakeem type numbers!" ... ignorance is bliss .... sons the minutes excuse is even more pathetic because it shows you just how out of shape and fallen off Duncan has become for not being able to play a respectable amount of minutes anymore.

[Bill_Brasky]

lol sons some of you should be criminal defense attorneys by the way you attempt to spin everything around .... lame

even if Duncan played another 10 years in the NBA he still wouldn't reach Malone's numbers. Duncan had a nice little 8 year run putting up damn good numbers, but that's it. he fell off so young that he would never have a chance to put up top player of all time types of numbers. that's just the cold hard truth. how do you explain him putting up such lousy and pathetic numbers this past season at the tender, young age of only 34 whenever other "greats" at his position and any other were steady cruising and not falling off? .... oh that's right! now you spin it by saying "he played less minutes! if only he played regular minutes he would still put up Hakeem type numbers!" ... ignorance is bliss .... sons the minutes excuse is even more pathetic because it shows you just how out of shape and fallen off Duncan has become for not being able to play a respectable amount of minutes anymore.

The fact of the matter is that he showed up in the PO's when it counted and got 4 rings for his efforts, something Malone wouldn't know anything about.

Also he's ranked 21st in rebounds you lying little hoe.:downspin:

EDIT: Also he's ranked 28th, not 33rd in points. Your credibility is no more.

[BRHornet45]

son no he isn't. he is ranked 22nd all time

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/trb_career.html

stop trying to make it look better. the facts are the facts. you can't just not count the ABA numbers to try and make him look better whenever you're arguing that he is the best PF ever.

[Bill_Brasky]

son no he isn't. he is ranked 22nd all time

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/trb_career.html

stop trying to make it look better. the facts are the facts. you can't not just count the ABA numbers when arguing that one player is the best ever.

:lol ABA

Last time I checked that league is dead and has been for 40 or so years.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/default_all_time_leaders/AllTimeLeadersTREBQuery.html?topic=4&stat=3

21st.

[BRHornet45]

lol attempting to spin the facts

lol ignoring the fact that he is ranked 33rd in points and 22nd in rebounds

[Bill_Brasky]

Maybe we should include euroleague too when comparing players. Doesn't matter if they got their stats in some barn in Germany, they count too!

[midnightpulp]

.463

[Bill_Brasky]

.463

Also

NEVER ACKNOWLEDGED HIS SON'S EXISTANCE

http://deadspin.com/384616/karl-malones-son-is-no-son-of-his

[BRHornet45]

Maybe we should include euroleague too when comparing players. Doesn't matter if they got their stats in some barn in Germany, they count too!

no son this is about American basketball the only country that counts. anyone who understands sports will count their numbers especially when one is trying to argue that a player is the best ever. how can you ignore them? you want to ignore what DR. J did?

lol some of you kids coming up are really entertaining to listen to. yea lets just ignore the facts of what other players have done in the past before you were even born so that it will push Timmy's ranking one spot closer at #21!!!!

[midnightpulp]

no son this is about american basketball the only country that counts. Anyone who understands sports will count their numbers especially when one is trying to argue that a player is the best ever. How can you ignore them? You want to ignore what dr. J did?

Lol some of you kids coming up are really entertaining to listen to. Yea lets just ignore the facts of what other players have done in the past before you were even born so that it will push timmy's ranking one spot closer at #21!!!!

.463

[Bill_Brasky]

no son this is about american basketball the only country that counts. Anyone who understands sports will count their numbers especially when one is trying to argue that a player is the best ever. How can you ignore them? You want to ignore what dr. J did?

Lol some of you kids coming up are really entertaining to listen to. Yea lets just ignore the facts of what other players have done in the past before you were even born so that it will push timmy's ranking one spot closer at #21!!!!

.463

fuckin midnight, lol

[BRHornet45]

lol yall mad at Malone

why not bring up the other dozens upon dozens of players who have dominated Duncan and have better career numbers? yall hate on Malone because deep inside you .... you know the truth.

[midnightpulp]

lol yall mad at Malone

why not bring up the other dozens upon dozens of players who have dominated Duncan and have better career numbers? yall hate on Malone because deep inside you .... you know the truth.

If he ranks 33rd and 22nd all-time in those respective categories, how in the hell are there supposed to be "dozens and dozens" of players with better stats than him?

It's not like we're talking about David West here.

[lefty]

lol yall mad at malone

why not bring up the other dozens upon dozens of players who have dominated duncan and have better career numbers? Yall hate on malone because deep inside you .... You know the truth.
63-121?

[BRHornet45]

If he ranks 33rd and 22nd all-time in those respective categories, how in the hell are there supposed to be "dozens and dozens" of players with better stats than him?

It's not like we're talking about David West here.

Son in case you don't understand...

1 dozen = 12

There are 32 players who have dominated Duncan in scoring aka nearly 3 dozen

There are 21 players who have dominated Duncan in rebounding aka nearly 2 dozen

This shit is simple son. Please pay attention

[midnightpulp]

Son in case you don't understand...

1 dozen = 12

There are 32 players who have dominated Duncan in scoring aka nearly 3 dozen

There are 21 players who have dominated Duncan in rebounding aka nearly 2 dozen

This shit is simple son. Please pay attention

Sorry, bro. Dozens and dozens implies a lot more than 50.

Don't matter anyhow. Career totals are a retarded thing to cite when comparing players or judging a player's all time great status. I don't think Larry Bird has one top 30 career total stat on his sheet, yet he is without a doubt the best SF of all time.

[BRHornet45]

LOL!

So Spur fan is still using the ignorant and childish argument that "the regular season doesn't count" ... yet when measuring individual players greatness in ANY professional or college sport has always been documented by regular season stats.

Son I guess guys like Dan Marino was just a scrub according to your logic ...same for any other all time greats in any sport who weren't lucky enough to play on stacked teams.

[midnightpulp]

LOL!

So Spur fan is still using the ignorant and childish argument that "the regular season doesn't count" ... yet when measuring individual players greatness in ANY professional or college sport has always been documented by regular season stats.

Son I guess guys like Dan Marino was just a scrub according to your logic ...same for any other all time greats in any sport who weren't lucky enough to play on stacked teams.

By your logic, Larry Bird isn't even a top 30 great.

BR, if you're going to cite regular season stats, cite AVERAGES, not career totals. Your retarded mentality would have a player who played 30 years and averaged 10 points a game above a player who played 10 years and averaged 20 points a game.

[Koolaid_Man]

By your logic, Larry Bird isn't even a top 30 great.

BR, if you're going to cite regular season stats, cite AVERAGES, not career totals. Your retarded mentality would have a player who played 30 years and averaged 10 points a game above a player who played 10 years and averaged 20 points a game.


BR got your panties in a twist...and it is a delight to watch....


crawl gayfucker crawl :lol

[Fabbs]

Clutchness in the Championship.

1998 Jazz leading 86-85 with 14 seconds left and ballhog Malone with the ball. He not only fails to get a shot off or better yet pass, the dumbass gets stripped. Jordan scores with 5 seconds left. Loser Malone.

2007 Finals game on the line and Timmy Duncan comes out to the front court on D and steals the ball from LeBron. 4th Championship.

But BRButthurt doesn't value defense, only who scores more points when the game is not on the line.

[Ron Popeil]

Clutchness in the Championship.

1998 Jazz leading 86-85 with 14 seconds left and ballhog Malone with the ball. He not only fails to get a shot off or better yet pass, the dumbass gets stripped. Jordan scores with 5 seconds left. Loser Malone.

2007 Finals game on the line and Timmy Duncan comes out to the front court on D and steals the ball from LeBron. 4th Championship.

But BRButthurt doesn't value defense, only who scores more points when the game is not on the line.

:lmao comparing playing Jordan's Bulls to playing the worst Finals participant in NBA history :lmao

[DMC]

I often dip my balls in white chocolate and then in a confection and sprinkles. BR loves them.

[Fabbs]

:lmao comparing playing Jordan's Bulls to playing the worst Finals participant in NBA history :lmao
:lmao should we compare the Detroit Finals?
:lmao punking the Marketing Lakers in 2003 en route to the title?

:lmao :lmao

[joshdaboss]

1.Yes
2. Nice try ...

I guess you haven't been watching since Jordan retired then. Only explanation I could possibly come up with. Unless you want to make the argument for LeBron based on pure talent alone.

[bus driver]

LOL!

So Spur fan is still using the ignorant and childish argument that "the regular season doesn't count" ... yet when measuring individual players greatness in ANY professional or college sport has always been documented by regular season stats.

Son I guess guys like Dan Marino was just a scrub according to your logic ...same for any other all time greats in any sport who weren't lucky enough to play on stacked teams.


dan marino did suck

[Killakobe81]

I guess you haven't been watching since Jordan retired then. Only explanation I could possibly come up with. Unless you want to make the argument for LeBron based on pure talent alone.

LOL Duncan 2nd best to Jordan ....
maybe for the 1999 season ...maybe, maybe you could also argue 2003-2005 but every other year since MJ ...Shaq, Kobe, Lebron, dirk and others have all clearly been better.

shaq had a better peak, Kobe has been conisistently great for a longer period ...same for Dirk. Lebron obviously has the talent to pass them all. But there is only a short window where any reasonable basketball fan can argue that Duncan was the best.

[midnightpulp]

LOL Duncan 2nd best to Jordan ....
maybe for the 1999 season ...maybe, maybe you could also argue 2003-2005 but every other year since MJ ...Shaq, Kobe, Lebron, dirk and others have all clearly been better.

shaq had a better peak, Kobe has been conisistently great for a longer period ...same for Dirk. Lebron obviously has the talent to pass them all. But there is only a short window where any reasonable basketball fan can argue that Duncan was the best.

And you could also argue that Duncan, Shaq, Dirk, and Lebron have all been better than Kobe at one time or another aside from the '08 and '09 seasons (the years I felt Kobe was the clear top dog in the league. And no, I don't think he was the best during his '06 chuckfest. In the playoffs against the Suns, he really didn't make too much noise in that series outside of that one 50 point game. He had a strong series, but Wade and Dirk and even Duncan were having a better playoffs).

From '99 to '05, Duncan was either the best or second best player in the league. Six years being the best or second best player in the NBA when a peak Shaq is also in the same league hardly qualifies as a "short window."

[Killakobe81]

And you could also argue that Duncan, Shaq, Dirk, and Lebron have all been better than Kobe at one time or another aside from the '08 and '09 seasons (the years I felt Kobe was the clear top dog in the league. And no, I don't think he was the best during his '06 chuckfest. In the playoffs against the Suns, he really didn't make too much noise in that series outside of that one 50 point game. He had a strong series, but Wade and Dirk and even Duncan were having a better playoffs).

From '99 to '05, Duncan was either the best or second best player in the league. Six years being the best or second best player in the NBA when a peak Shaq is also in the same league hardly qualifies as a "short window."

I didnt say he (duncan) was best I said you could argue the fact. Look Im not one of the Laker fans who will tear tim down to raise Kobe or even shaq who I never liked ...

duncan to me was the best player from 2003-2005 .... but prior to that shaq was clearly better ...Kobe and others had a case (though I still thought tim was better) and by 2006 duncan was not better than Kobe, chuckfest or not.

Being an elite player for 7 years and the best player in the NBA for 3 is not a short window for a typical HOF'er ...but when you compare Duncan to Kobe and MJ which this thread did (best player since MJ) or look at the peak of the guys BR mentioned (all time great HOf'ers) duncan falls short. doesnt mean he is not great but he is wanting when it comes up to elite numbers and I dont feel it was enough to pass Kobe who is far closer to elite than duncan is for over the past 4 seasons ...and was to me just a notch behind him for most of the years that duncan was the best player.

[davethedope]

Steve Nash has two MVPs and no rings.

This should answer a lot of questions people might have about the past decade in ball.

There's a lot of overrating going on.

Shaq and Kobe have been the best players in the league, every year since 1999.

Up to LeBron

[Killakobe81]

Steve Nash has two MVPs and no rings.

This should answer a lot of questions people might have about the past decade in ball.

There's a lot of overrating going on.

Shaq and Kobe have been the best players in the league, every year since 1999.

Up to LeBron

I would give duncan the edge for at least 2 of the 3 seasons between 2003-2005 ...

Lebron has been the best the past two seasons definitely ...

But for most of the last decade it was shaq to start Duncan a small time in the middle and Kobe to close. Kobe was the only one that stayed elite the whole decade that is why I have him over duncan and shaq ...yes you can argue that Shaq especially were more dominat, hell they are big men they should be. But Kobe wa sin the convo starting in 2001 and was still in it in 2010 ... neither duncan or shaq can say that.

[midnightpulp]

I didnt say he (duncan) was best I said you could argue the fact. Look Im not one of the Laker fans who will tear tim down to raise Kobe or even shaq who I never liked ...

duncan to me was the best player from 2003-2005 .... but prior to that shaq was clearly better ...Kobe and others had a case (though I still thought tim was better) and by 2006 duncan was not better than Kobe, chuckfest or not.

Being an elite player for 7 years and the best player in the NBA for 3 is not a short window for a typical HOF'er ...but when you compare Duncan to Kobe and MJ which this thread did (best player since MJ) or look at the peak of the guys BR mentioned (all time great HOf'ers) duncan falls short. doesnt mean he is not great but he is wanting when it comes up to elite numbers and I dont feel it was enough to pass Kobe who is far closer to elite than duncan is for over the past 4 seasons ...and was to me just a notch behind him for most of the years that duncan was the best player.

Duncan put up elite big man numbers in the playoffs for 11 seasons straight, nearly every one of those seasons were better than Karl Malone's single best playoff season. How does Duncan fall short again? Oh, because he didn't stat whore during the regular season for the majority of his career?

Duncan detractors or critics would be wise to dismiss his regular season output. Ever since '06, Duncan has been on cruise control during the regular season.

[Killakobe81]

Duncan put up elite big man numbers in the playoffs for 11 seasons straight, nearly every one of those seasons were better than Karl Malone's single best playoff season. How does Duncan fall short again? Oh, because he didn't stat whore during the regular season for the majority of his career?

Duncan detractors or critics would be wise to dismiss his regular season output. Ever since '06, Duncan has been on cruise control during the regular season.

Im not either one. but that kind of cruise control is why I dont have shaq on the same level with Hakeem or Kareem. sure the playoffs matter more. But 82 games of excellence is far more data than a 30 game playoff run.

I think you have to count both to be honest ...Why would you dismiss 75% of the season?! :lol

[midnightpulp]

Im not either one. but that kind of cruise control is why I dont have shaq on the same level with Hakeem or Kareem. sure the playoffs matter more. But 82 games of excellence is far more data than a 30 game playoff run.

I think you have to count both to be honest ...Why would you dismiss 75% of the season?! :lol

I think you misunderstood me. He wasn't on cruise control with regard to his drive or motivation, but with his intensity. Big men are typically more prone to breaking down than guards, so it wouldn't make any sense for a team with depth like the Spurs to ride Duncan into the ground over 82 games. I agree that sometimes Pop gets obsessive about managing Duncan's minutes, but ultimately, it's the right move.

[nowhereman523]

Props to Duncan not being a stat whore, and being smart enough to pick his spots.

Undisputed best Power Forward of all time.

[midnightpulp]

I got Barkley over Jim all day. He was a better rebounder, better scorer, better ball handler, and better passer than Jim. Jim was great at nothing. His stats prove so.

I guess I see your point there. I don't agree with it, but I understand your point of view.

It's similar to how Kobe's stats are relatively unimpressive for the so-called greatest scorer in the game. You'd think the "greatest scorer in the game" would lead the league in scoring more than 2 times over a 15 year career. And when we look at his shooting percentage, his lack of scoring effectiveness as compared to his reputation is even more pronounced. A true great scorer can fill up the PPG stat and shoot a high percentage. Kobe's never been able to do both, because he's a chucker.

[midnightpulp]

I got Mj, Wilt and Kareem ahead of Kobe as greater scorers. Kobes average shooting percentage is a direct result of his poor shot selection, which may be the worst of all time. You are wasting your time knocking his shooting percentage when Ray Allen shoots about the same percentage, yet gets credit for being the greatest shooter ever. Kobe has earned status of the greatest player of his era, and a top five spot all time. For years the establishment was against him, but now hes in his golden years and the fans and writers will honor him for his efforts.

Fair enough.

Oh, and where's my money?

[nowhereman523]

You have Kobe as the 4th greatest scorer of all time in an argument predicated on stats? He is 14th all time in Career Playoffs PPG and that number will drop as he ages, meaning he's gonna end up behind Alex English, Dr. J, Paul Arizin, and a bunch of other guys. Career PPG? Guys like West, Iverson, Pettit, Baylor, Robertson all squash him. He has never led the league in offensive win shares or PER. Post merger, his highest ever playoffs PPG is below the high mark of several players, including James, Wade, Arenas, McGrady, Jordan, Olajuowon, Bernard King, and George Gerwin. Kobe's scoring stats aren't as good as you think.

[ElNono]

But he dropped 81 on Jalen Rose!

[nowhereman523]

Yah he was really good for those 3 years, except when he disappeared in the playoffs. 13-33 in one elimination game they lost, and intentionally disappeared in the elimination game loss the year before that.

[RandomGuy]

LOL!

So Spur fan is still using the ignorant and childish argument that "the regular season doesn't count" ... yet when measuring individual players greatness in ANY professional or college sport has always been documented by regular season stats.

Son I guess guys like Dan Marino was just a scrub according to your logic ...same for any other all time greats in any sport who weren't lucky enough to play on stacked teams.

Actually that is *your* logic.

The best player in the world isn't going to do well in the stats from the OP if the line-up and plays aren't structured to make the numbers.

It's a bit like saying that you can't count a lambourghini as one of the "best cars of all times" because it doesn't have a lot of trunk space.

The car wasn't designed to have a lot of trunk space.

Being a good, or hell great, player is about a *bit* more than two stats. That is limiting the definition way too narrowly, and unrealistically.

[Agloco]

Lmfao...BR in full butthurt mode.

Come on scrah.

[BRHornet45]

some people just can't handle truth bombs when it pertains to their childhood hero

[midnightpulp]

some people just can't handle truth bombs when it pertains to their childhood hero

You mean the truth bomb that your childhood hero, Louisiana Tech's own Karl Malone, shot a pathetic .463 over his playoff career?

.463

That said, son, I still loves ya. In addition to your Duncan hate, you at least understand that Kobe Bryant is an overrated pile of shit, a "glorified Devin Brown" as you once called him, so that makes you all right in my book.

God bless you and your family, son.

[DMC]

some people just can't handle truth bombs when it pertains to their childhood hero

You are the guy who put a Breathe Right strip on his asshole and claimed to then have an open mind, correct?

[Killakobe81]

I got Mj, Wilt and Kareem ahead of Kobe as greater scorers. Kobes average shooting percentage is a direct result of his poor shot selection, which may be the worst of all time. You are wasting your time knocking his shooting percentage when Ray Allen shoots about the same percentage, yet gets credit for being the greatest shooter ever. Kobe has earned status of the greatest player of his era, and a top five spot all time. For years the establishment was against him, but now hes in his golden years and the fans and writers will honor him for his efforts.

I agree on him being behind those guys and Kobe's shot selection is shitty ...too much ego. But imagine his shooting/scoring numbers if he eliminated the hero shots?

but yet he still is the best player of his era ...

[DMC]

I agree on him being behind those guys and Kobe's shot selection is shitty ...too much ego. But imagine his shooting/scoring numbers if he eliminated the hero shots?

but yet he still is the best player of his era ...

Imagine how few nut riders he would have with his name tattooed on their bodies if he was actually a team player. He wouldn't be in LA, that's for sure.

[Killakobe81]

You are the guy who put a Breathe Right strip on his asshole and claimed to then have an open mind, correct?

LOL sure you got that somewhere, but not bad.

[Killakobe81]

Imagine how few nut riders he would have with his name tattooed on their bodies if he was actually a team player. He wouldn't be in LA, that's for sure.

Kobe is a team player he just has a huge ego that makes him take dumb shots ...

[DMC]

Kobe is a team player

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao


"I won't coach this team next year if he is still here. He won't listen to anyone. I've had it with this kid."

Jackson became exasperated with the feuding between Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal (http://fantasybasketball.usatoday.com/index.php?sport=pbkball&hssport=&type=profile&name=422).
"At times the pettiness between the two of them can be unbelievably juvenile," he wrote.
Jackson wrote that Bryant was angry that O'Neal received allowances from the Lakers organization, but that "nobody this year, or in any year I've coached, has received more 'allowances' than Kobe Bryant (http://fantasybasketball.usatoday.com/index.php?sport=pbkball&hssport=&type=profile&name=514)."
Among those allowances was the Lakers organization's partial payment for the private jets Bryant took to Colorado for the hearings in his rape case.
Bryant complained about the kind of plane he was given to fly to Colorado, Jackson wrote, adding "He should feel fortunate that he's not footing the bill himself."
Jackson said he became conditioned to blame Bryant, even when it wasn't the player's fault.
The sexual assault charge against Bryant was dismissed last month at his accuser's request, but he still faces a lawsuit filed in Denver by the woman.
Bryant told Jackson that O'Neal's presence on the team would affect his decision to stay with the Lakers, adding, "I'm tired of being a sidekick," Jackson wrote.





http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/2004-10-12-jackson-book_x.htm


Kobe admitting he was a side kick during the 3 rings. He was Robin.

/Kobe

[DMC]

LOL sure you got that somewhere, but not bad.
No it's mine unless proven otherwise (I haven't checked).

[Killakobe81]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao


"I won't coach this team next year if he is still here. He won't listen to anyone. I've had it with this kid."

Jackson became exasperated with the feuding between Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal (http://fantasybasketball.usatoday.com/index.php?sport=pbkball&hssport=&type=profile&name=422).
"At times the pettiness between the two of them can be unbelievably juvenile," he wrote.
Jackson wrote that Bryant was angry that O'Neal received allowances from the Lakers organization, but that "nobody this year, or in any year I've coached, has received more 'allowances' than Kobe Bryant (http://fantasybasketball.usatoday.com/index.php?sport=pbkball&hssport=&type=profile&name=514)."
Among those allowances was the Lakers organization's partial payment for the private jets Bryant took to Colorado for the hearings in his rape case.
Bryant complained about the kind of plane he was given to fly to Colorado, Jackson wrote, adding "He should feel fortunate that he's not footing the bill himself."
Jackson said he became conditioned to blame Bryant, even when it wasn't the player's fault.
The sexual assault charge against Bryant was dismissed last month at his accuser's request, but he still faces a lawsuit filed in Denver by the woman.
Bryant told Jackson that O'Neal's presence on the team would affect his decision to stay with the Lakers, adding, "I'm tired of being a sidekick," Jackson wrote.





http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/2004-10-12-jackson-book_x.htm


Kobe admitting he was a side kick during the 3 rings. He was Robin.

/Kobe

I could post all kinds of stories of kobe working with: team-mates such as Ariza, Fisher, Devean George to help them improve or even the tips he gave Wesbrook and OJ mayo or the example e set in the 2008 Olympics ... but youd rather hold on to a book from 5 years ago ..so why bother?

[DMC]

These aren't anecdotes. These are the words of coaching legend Phil Jackson.

Those are the words of Kobe Bryant: Sidekick

It is what it is.


Duncan: MVP

Kobe: Sidekick


Tim has never been a sidekick

[Killakobe81]

Since Phil's words are gospel according to DMC, I am adding back the * to 1999 because you know Jackson the legend, is never wrong about anything ...

So know it's

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 3 ... let us proceed.

[BRHornet45]

no son the truth is ...

Duncan: 1.5 (99 doesn't count to anyone outside of S.A., 05 he received .5 credit for co-leading with Parker, and 07 was Parker and Manu's team)

Kobe: 1 (.5 credit for being co-leader twice with Gasol / zero credit for riding Shaq)

[DMC]

Since Phil's words are gospel according to DMC, I am adding back the * to 1999 because you know Jackson the legend, is never wrong about anything ...

So know it's

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 3 ... let us proceed.

Phil's opinions on Kobe supercede yours in the minds of any rational person.

Your red herring doesn't change that.

[BRHornet45]

2003 was truly the only year that Duncan put the Spurs on his back and led them. the other two championships he was never the clear cut star and had ridiculous amounts of help around him

[Killakobe81]

Phil's opinions on Kobe supercede yours in the minds of any rational person.

Your red herring doesn't change that.

Yep he was so horrible he came back ...and what about all the lovely PJ quotes since then? I guess THOse don't count either, right? That book is like 6 years ago but I know Spur fans love to travel in their time machines ...back to a time when Tim was a better player than Kobe.

Was right about the same time back in 2005 ...no wonder you remember that book so well ...

[Killakobe81]

2003 was truly the only year that Duncan put the Spurs on his back and led them. the other two championships he was never the clear cut star and had ridiculous amounts of help around him

I dont even mind if folks want to knock points off teh shaq led teams ...whatever. Dont get me wrong Pau is a damn good player, but Pau was getting punked by Carl freaking Landry ...

Pau cant co-lead shit. he a #2 a damn good one, but a #2 never the less ...

[DMC]

Yep he was so horrible he came back ...and what about all the lovely PJ quotes since then? I guess THOse don't count either, right? That book is like 6 years ago but I know Spur fans love to travel in their time machines ...back to a time when Tim was a better player than Kobe.

Was right about the same time back in 2005 ...no wonder you remember that book so well ...

Phil had a Pau deal in his sights, and knew it was happening. He wouldn't come back to just a Kobe team. He left one, fwiw.

What Phil said after the reconciliation does not change what occurred during the 3 rings. Stop revising history to suit your user name.

My argument is that Kobe was not a team player, as indicated by own coach. He was a selfish, pampered prick and openly admitted being a sidekick to Shaq.

[DMC]

I dont even mind if folks want to knock points off teh shaq led teams ...whatever. Dont get me wrong Pau is a damn good player, but Pau was getting punked by Carl freaking Landry ...

Pau cant co-lead shit. he a #2 a damn good one, but a #2 never the less ...
Who are you fucking kidding. He took the Lakers from one game and done to 3 straight Finals appearances.

Kobe was getting punked by the Suns.