Bill Byrne is an awesome AD

[Blake]

AUSTIN, Texas (AP)—Texas A&M could have been a partner with Texas in a lucrative television network but wasn’t interested in joining the Longhorns when the idea was hatched, Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds said Thursday.

Dodds told The Associated Press he first met with Texas A&M athletic director Bill Byrne about the idea of an Aggies-Longhorns network about four years ago but Byrne didn’t seem interested. At the time, the Longhorns weren’t sure they could carry a network on their own.

Byrne tried to re-open discussions about a year ago, but by then it was too late, Dodds said.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-big12-texassquabble

[Sisk]

Three or four years ago we talked about doing a joint flagship channel. I liked the idea, but our fans should know me better than to think I would pass on a $150 million deal for Texas A&M. That never happened.

/thread

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yeah I find it funny this story randomly surfaces when A&M is about to go to the SEC

[Sisk]

Yeah I find it funny this story randomly surfaces when A&M is about to go to the SEC

This, too.

[DMX7]

Yeah I find it funny this story randomly surfaces when A&M is about to go to the SEC

Random? Isn't this one of the reasons all their fans cite for them wanting to go to the SEC? Doesn't seem that random to me.

[Sisk]

Random? Isn't this one of the reasons all their fans cite for them wanting to go to the SEC? Doesn't seem that random to me.

He's saying Random in regards to the timing of this story, not in regards to the subject matter.

Bill Byrne is known as Dollar Bill among Aggies because he's all about making money. Raising ticket prices constantly. No way he would've turned down $150mm.

[DMX7]

Sounds like he's trying to coverup for his lack of forsight on the value of the network. He probably had no clue at the time that Texas was going to get $300 million for the network since bidding didn't even start until earlier this year on it. How would he have known he was turning down $150 million to begin with? Seems to me he's just saying that to make Aggy fans think that turning down the network is so stupid he couldn't have possibly done it when in fact he actually did.

[ChuckD]

He's saying Random in regards to the timing of this story, not in regards to the subject matter.

Bill Byrne is known as Dollar Bill among Aggies because he's all about making money. Raising ticket prices constantly. No way he would've turned down $150mm.

He didn't turn down $150M, because by the time the figure of $300M was announced last year, UT had turned down his late attempt to gravy train on their 3 years of hard work putting the channel together. He did, however, turn down a chance, at some dollar figure that we will never know, to partner in a network with UT four years ago. He was probably just too dumb to know how much money was at stake.

This whole thing gives me MUCH better picture of Rick Perry, The Secessionist. I guess if things aren't going your way, and you're an Aggie, you just take your marbles and run away.

[ChuckD]

Sounds like he's trying to coverup for his lack of forsight on the value of the network. He probably had no clue at the time that Texas was going to get $300 million for the network since bidding didn't even start until earlier this year on it. How would he have known he was turning down $150 million to begin with? Seems to me he's just saying to make Aggy fans that turning down the network is so stupid he couldn't have possibly done it when in fact he actually did.

This. He should be fired for this fuckup, compounded with setting his team on a virtual Bataan Death march in the SEC West to cover his stupidity.

[DesignatedT]

lol this thread
lol were already gone
lol i thought noone cared

[DirkDoesWork]

lol this thread
lol were already gone
lol i thought noone cared


lol you
lol poor grammar
lol poor grammar, again

[DesignatedT]

lol you
lol poor grammar
lol poor grammar, again

:lmao

[benefactor]

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[Blake]

"This is Bill Byrne, I'm the athletic director at Texas A&M.

I just got an email from someone named Roger Roge, or something like that, asking if I still have my tongue up DeLoss Dodds' [asshole]

I'm 65-years-old and people don't say those kinds of things to me.

Someone who has no guts to write something like that needs to have their ass kicked."

http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/96517329.html

still as awesome today as it was last year

[Kermit]

I don't think Byrne suffers from lack of business acumen. It's from lack of foresight. I understand why he probably said no at the time. The thought process at the time was that the two schools would have to share the start-up costs, something that Aggy couldn't afford to do. Byrne probably did his due dilegence and discovered that start ups cost tens of millions of dollars. Hell, they can't afford to leave the conference now, but they're going to. Byrne and Dodds had no way of knowing that ESPN would swoop in and front the costs. But Byrne should have piggy-back anyway. He really didn't have anything to lose as betting against Dodds right now is futile. I think $Bill is a great AD, but he really screwed the pooch on this one.

[Blake]

/thread

It was an investment opportunity, Byrne played it safe and said no. I don't really blame him for it.

What I blame him/Aggies for is crying about it now and picking up their things and moving to the SEC because of it.

The Aggie level of butthurt is phenomenal.

[johngateswhiteley]

this is stupid. both sides are clearly stubborn ...case closed. all that matters is this: while each is seeking to do what is best for them, is t.u. so butt-hurt they will refuse to play A&M on an annual basis?

...indications point to yes.

[Kermit]

this is stupid. both sides are clearly stubborn ...case closed. all that matters is this: while each is seeking to do what is best for them, is t.u. so butt-hurt they will refuse to play A&M on an annual basis?

...indications point to yes.

Question. Why should they? I would like to see the game continue, but why should Texas play Aggy? After everything that has happened in the last year between the two, why would Dodds schedule the two to play? A&M's butthurt has led to them running to the SEC, blaming Texas every step of the way. So, Texas should just say "We know you guys are raging faggots, but let's still play every year. We want you to have your cake, eat it, and puke it back in our face."

[johngateswhiteley]

Question. Why should they? I would like to see the game continue, but why should Texas play Aggy? After everything that has happened in the last year between the two, why would Dodds schedule the two to play? A&M's butthurt has led to them running to the SEC, blaming Texas every step of the way. So, Texas should just say "We know you guys are raging faggots, but let's still play every year. We want you to have your cake, eat it, and puke it back in our face."

that's certainly one perspective. but, imo, not very accurate of the entire picture.

[Kermit]

that's certainly one perspective. but, imo, not very accurate of the entire picture.

I'm sure that the only way Texas is going to play Aggy is if it's on the LHN.

[Sisk]

I'm sure that the only way Texas is going to play Aggy is if it's on the LHN.

We both know that will never be agreed to.

[DesignatedT]

Only three national championships in team sports in the 100+ years prior to BB's arrival.

We've seen dozens of conference championships and eight national championships In team sports since he took over as A.D., and there will be more conference titles and NC's to come.

Ten years ago, almost none of A&M's program were ranked. Some, like men's and women's basketball and men's and women's track & field were essentially on life support.

Today, almost all of A&M's athletic programs in EVERY men's and women's sport are ranked in the top 20.


So yes, he has been an awesome AD for us. Thanks for noticing.

[Harry Callahan]

I heard some of the details on this today on 1310 The Ticket.

This network thing had been in the works five years ago, but the idea at that time was to have some kind of Texas network (UT and A&M in partnership) where the schools would share production costs. At the time (according to the 1310 Ticket morning show), Mr. Byrne was not comfortable footing that kind of expense at that time.

In hindsight, maybe Aggie missed out on an opportunity, but who knew ESPN would do what they did and foot the bill.

It's going to be sad when my Thanksgiving day in the very near future will only have a Cowboy game. I liked having both games on Thanksgiving - as a Texas grad this whole episode is kind of sad. There may be a day when Texas and tamu play after next year, but I don't think it will be in the next 10-15 years. Aggie has chosen its path - there's benefits and costs with that path. The Turkey Day game gets sacrificed.

It's too bad cooler heads did not prevail, but egos and feelings got hurt among the movers and shakers and now a traditional game that's over 100 years old will go up in smoke.

If A&M had been more effective in Football in from 2000-2010, maybe things would have been different, but when the Big 12 became a 2 horse race for the most part, I think the animosity grew tremendously.

[Blake]

So yes, he has been an awesome AD for us. Thanks for noticing.

He's certainly done his part to give what the fans want: a membership in the SEC.

Enjoy the next decade of beatdowns in football, just like the last.

[DesignatedT]

He's certainly done his part to give what the fans want: a membership in the SEC.

Enjoy the next decade of beatdowns in football, just like the last.

:lmao talk about butthurt. The irony in every single one of your posts is priceless.

[Blake]

:lmao talk about butthurt. The irony in every single one of your posts is priceless.

:lmao :lmao what exactly do I have to be butthurt about?

[johngateswhiteley]

I heard some of the details on this today on 1310 The Ticket.

This network thing had been in the works five years ago, but the idea at that time was to have some kind of Texas network (UT and A&M in partnership) where the schools would share production costs. At the time (according to the 1310 Ticket morning show), Mr. Byrne was not comfortable footing that kind of expense at that time.

In hindsight, maybe Aggie missed out on an opportunity, but who knew ESPN would do what they did and foot the bill.

It's going to be sad when my Thanksgiving day in the very near future will only have a Cowboy game. I liked having both games on Thanksgiving - as a Texas grad this whole episode is kind of sad. There may be a day when Texas and tamu play after next year, but I don't think it will be in the next 10-15 years. Aggie has chosen its path - there's benefits and costs with that path. The Turkey Day game gets sacrificed.

It's too bad cooler heads did not prevail, but egos and feelings got hurt among the movers and shakers and now a traditional game that's over 100 years old will go up in smoke.

If A&M had been more effective in Football in from 2000-2010, maybe things would have been different, but when the Big 12 became a 2 horse race for the most part, I think the animosity grew tremendously.



takes 2 to tango. thanksgiving does not have to go without...

[johngateswhiteley]

He's certainly done his part to give what the fans want: a membership in the SEC.

Enjoy the next decade of beatdowns in football, just like the last.

many are quick to make this claim. we shall see, we shall see.

...keep in mind. A&M has a larger fan-base, more money and more resources than Arkansas. I think they will be just fine. But thanks everyone, for taking an interest.

Edit: I find the amount of backlash telling ...very telling.

[Blake]

many are quick to make this claim. we shall see, we shall see.

you're quick to straddle the fence


Edit: I find the amount of backlash telling ...very telling.

here? who is backlashing?

[johngateswhiteley]

you're quick to straddle the fence



here? who is backlashing?

granted, assumption is your repertoire. i think we do better than expected. perform well, in a valid amount of time.

backlash? ...most.

[ChumpDumper]

many are quick to make this claim. we shall see, we shall see.

...keep in mind. A&M has a larger fan-base, more money and more resources than Arkansas. I think they will be just fine. But thanks everyone, for taking an interest.Then A&M should've had a better record that Arkansas last season, right?

[Sisk]

here? who is backlashing?

You haven't shut your mouth in weeks.

[Sisk]

Then A&M should've had a better record that Arkansas last season, right?

We were in the SEC last season? News to me.

Good luck tomorrow.

[leemajors]

lol clean slate

[Blake]

granted, assumption is your repertoire. i think we do better than expected.

what does 'better than expected' mean? a light beatdown instead of a heavy one?


perform well, in a valid amount of time.

what is the 'valid amount of time?'

either take a shit or get off the pot

[Blake]

You haven't shut your mouth in weeks.

As a fan, I think losing the Tech/A&M game will suck, but I'm not mad about it.

me laughing at you and the other aggie nutgrabbers is not backlash. it's nothing more than lol aggies.

[Sisk]

As a fan, I think losing the Tech/A&M game will suck, but I'm not mad about it.

me laughing at you and the other aggie nutgrabbers is not backlash. it's nothing more than lol aggies.

:lol spending weeks talking about how little you care

[Fpoonsie]

Lulz. I still remember driving down Rock Prairie in College Station and passing 2 12 year old Tech fans on the corner outside a McDonald's, decked out in TT jerseys and wearing similarly themed towels as capes, with a "Gun Up" in one hand and a middle finger raised in the other.

Pretty sure that's when my utter disdain for Tech really took off.

[Blake]

We were in the SEC last season? News to me.

Good luck tomorrow.

you haven't shut your mouth in weeks talking about how much better the SEC is than the Big XII.

after going 0-4 against Arky, Georgia and LSU the last couple of years, seriously, what makes any of you believe that you won't continue to get slobberknocked?

[Blake]

:lol spending weeks talking about how little you care

when you've asked me how little I care, I've told you.

everything else in between is lol aggie.

[Sisk]

you haven't shut your mouth in weeks talking about how much better the SEC is than the Big XII.

after going 0-4 against Arky, Georgia and LSU the last couple of years, seriously, what makes any of you believe that you won't continue to get slobberknocked?

This involves my school and my team. Of course I'm interested in it. I don't know where tech comes in........................

I bet we beat Arky this year.

Here's some advice for you, blake. Remember when tech was #2 and a very good team? College football and college sports in general are cyclical. History very rarely means a damn thing.

See: texas going from BCS championship game to 5-7.

[leemajors]

This involves my school and my team. Of course I'm interested in it. I don't know where tech comes in........................

I bet we beat Arky this year.

Here's some advice for you, blake. Remember when tech was #2 and a very good team? College football and college sports in general are cyclical. History very rarely means a damn thing.

See: texas going from BCS championship game to 5-7.

yet you squawk about winning the last two vs UT endlessly.

[Blake]

Lulz. I still remember driving down Rock Prairie in College Station and passing 2 12 year old Tech fans on the corner outside a McDonald's, decked out in TT jerseys and wearing similarly themed towels as capes, with a "Gun Up" in one hand and a middle finger raised in the other.

Pretty sure that's when my utter disdain for Tech really took off.

Aggies are weird. I think that's why other fans like to fuck with them.

This last decade has gone something like this:

Tech: "lol A&M, I beat the crap out of you this past decade, but you know.....we've got a pretty good rivalry going on, imo. Hopefully it continues."



A&M: "Fuck you tekkie, you insolent fuck. You have no business stepping on the same field as me and t.u.
I don't want any kind of relationship with t.u., but we are both the flagships universities that bring rich tradition and excellence in sports to the great state of Texas.
You are nothing but an off-shoot of our royal sperm that landed in a field of tortillas. Stupid peasant.

Bevo, please tell this tekkie inbred just how beneath us he is.




UT: "huh? I need both of you idiots just shut the fuck up for a minute. I'm on the phone with ESPN. They want to give me my own show.....pretty cool, huh?"



A&M: "WHAT?!!?!? The audacity and outrage! Who do you think you are? We are leaving.




UT: "dammit.....sorry ESPN.....lemme call you back in a minute....

really aggy? you're gonna take off just like that? I even offered to get you in on the gig with me at ESPN but you turned it down. goddamm youre an idiot. Whatever. Just dont expect us to meet up any more around the holidays any more.......butthurt pussy.




Tech: uhhh...hey man, I'm still ok staying here, right? Can I have aggy's old room?



UT: eh, I dunno just yet, we'll see.
In the meantime, tell Baylor to get his ass off the couch and get to work this year..... He never does shit around here..... I wish we could ditch him, but I just know his mom would bitch if I kicked him out.

Speaking of which, we may or may not have been invited to a party on the west side. You, me and the two Okies can go, but they were pretty adamant that we not bring Baylor......so if we do get the invite, we have to keep our lips sealed about it.



Tech: sweeeeeet....I'll bring tortillas and liquor.




A&M: [mumbling while stomping down the street] That asshole. I should have cut his horns while he was asleep. I'll show him. Even though I've been beat senselessly on a few trips through the east side, I know that's the place for me.
Surely they'll see what a great, smart and handsome military guy I am and stop beating me down so much.
I can't wait to get there!

[ChumpDumper]

We were in the SEC last season? News to me.You weren't.

You were in a shitty, inferior Big12.

Why didn't you have a better record than Arkansas?


Good luck tomorrow.We'll need it.

[Fpoonsie]

Aggies are weird. I think that's why other fans like to fuck with them...

[shrug] I'm nervous as FUCK about this transition and not nearly as confident about TAMU's potential success in the SEC.

Still. I hate Tech...but I'll grantchoo that TT is more of a rival than any number of Inspiration's/Aggie Outfitter's shirts wanna admit.

[Blake]

This involves my school and my team. Of course I'm interested in it. I don't know where tech comes in........................

Tech doesnt really come in at all on this.

This is entertaining stuff. Of course I'm interested in it.


I bet we beat Arky this year.

cool. 1-4 is muuuch better than 0-5.


Here's some advice for you, blake. Remember when tech was #2 and a very good team? College football and college sports in general are cyclical. History very rarely means a damn thing.

See: texas going from BCS championship game to 5-7.

so you are saying since A&M was up last year and this year that it won't be long before they go back down again...

not really advice, but ok.

[Blake]

Still. I hate Tech...but I'll grantchoo that TT is more of a rival than any number of Inspiration's/Aggie Outfitter's shirts wanna admit.

Generic Aggie has made it crystal clear they only have one rival whether the other school agrees it's a rivalry or not.

a true shame.

[DesignatedT]

Aggies are weird. I think that's why other fans like to fuck with them.

This last decade has gone something like this:

Tech: "lol A&M, I beat the crap out of you this past decade, but you know.....we've got a pretty good rivalry going on, imo. Hopefully it continues."



A&M: "Fuck you tekkie, you insolent fuck. You have no business stepping on the same field as me and t.u.
I don't want any kind of relationship with t.u., but we are both the flagships universities that bring rich tradition and excellence in sports to the great state of Texas.
You are nothing but an off-shoot of our royal sperm that landed in a field of tortillas. Stupid peasant.

Bevo, please tell this tekkie inbred just how beneath us he is.




UT: "huh? I need both of you idiots just shut the fuck up for a minute. I'm on the phone with ESPN. They want to give me my own show.....pretty cool, huh?"



A&M: "WHAT?!!?!? The audacity and outrage! Who do you think you are? We are leaving.




UT: "dammit.....sorry ESPN.....lemme call you back in a minute....

really aggy? you're gonna take off just like that? I even offered to get you in on the gig with me at ESPN but you turned it down. goddamm youre an idiot. Whatever. Just dont expect us to meet up any more around the holidays any more.......butthurt pussy.




Tech: uhhh...hey man, I'm still ok staying here, right? Can I have aggy's old room?



UT: eh, I dunno just yet, we'll see.
In the meantime, tell Baylor to get his ass off the couch and get to work this year..... He never does shit around here..... I wish we could ditch him, but I just know his mom would bitch if I kicked him out.

Speaking of which, we may or may not have been invited to a party on the west side. You, me and the two Okies can go, but they were pretty adamant that we not bring Baylor......so if we do get the invite, we have to keep our lips sealed about it.



Tech: sweeeeeet....I'll bring tortillas and liquor.




A&M: [mumbling while stomping down the street] That asshole. I should have cut his horns while he was asleep. I'll show him. Even though I've been beat senselessly on a few trips through the east side, I know that's the place for me.
Surely they'll see what a great, smart and handsome military guy I am and stop beating me down so much.
I can't wait to get there!

This guy clearly doesn't care. :lmao

[Kermit]

This guy clearly doesn't care. :lmao

Pointing out how stupid the decision is and the butthurt that led to the decision doesn't mean he lies awake at night cutting himself. He's making fun of you. That shit was funny. Enjoy people making fun of you because this time next year you will be irrelevant. No one will care enough to laugh.

[johngateswhiteley]

Then A&M should've had a better record that Arkansas last season, right?

why would you ask such a ridiculous question? there are ups and downs with all teams, happens all the time... in fact its part of the game.

i think A&M is on their way back.


Blake,

You are an infant and I do not have time for your nonsense.

[johngateswhiteley]

Pointing out how stupid the decision is and the butthurt that led to the decision doesn't mean he lies awake at night cutting himself. He's making fun of you. That shit was funny. Enjoy people making fun of you because this time next year you will be irrelevant. No one will care enough to laugh.

nobody is saying that. but people in texas obviously care, as do many outside the state. the reaction and ongoing rants prove as much. its right there in front of you, do not deny it.

whats more, its done. i am only concerned with the A&M vs. t.u. rivalry continuing.

[Sisk]

Enjoy people making fun of you because this time next year you will be irrelevant. No one will care enough to laugh.

:lol

[Blake]

why would you ask such a ridiculous question? there are ups and downs with all teams, happens all the time... in fact its part of the game.

i think A&M is on their way back.

for having the resources that A&M has supposedly had, they sure have been down a long time.



Blake,

You are an infant and I do not have time for your nonsense.

you do know I started this thread, right?

If you don't want to or can't answer such simple elementary level questions and would rather play the part of arrogant ass, no skin off my back.

Imo, you have no answer and are a dumbfuck until proven otherwise.

[Blake]

:lol

:lol:lol

[Sisk]

for having the resources that A&M has supposedly had, they sure have been down a long time.

http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com/.a/6a00e54f7fc4c588330147e154fdbb970b-320wi

[Blake]

whats more, its done. i am only concerned with the A&M vs. t.u. rivalry continuing.

if the concern was really that high, maybe A&M should have slowed down and thought this out a little more before jumping ship.

lol "100 year decision" that flip flopped from last year to this year

[Blake]

http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com/.a/6a00e54f7fc4c588330147e154fdbb970b-320wi

Byrne brought him in, right?

more awesomeness from $Bill.

[Sisk]

Byrne brought him in, right?

more awesomeness from $Bill.

He also brought in Sherman. And a vast array of coaches that have brought in multiple national championships.

[leemajors]

is Sherman a good coach?

[ChumpDumper]

why would you ask such a ridiculous question?Because you made a ridiculous comparison to Arkansas.

[Sisk]

is Sherman a good coach?

It's looking that way.

[Blake]

It's looking that way.

There were a couple of years that fran looked good.

[johngateswhiteley]

Because you made a ridiculous comparison to Arkansas.

not at all. but thanks for thinking of us..

[ChumpDumper]

not at all.Then my question wasn't ridiculous either.
but thanks for thinking of us.Thanks for contradicting yourself.

[johngateswhiteley]

Then my question wasn't ridiculous either.Thanks for contradicting yourself.

its funny how limited you are. and its funny how A&M's move has incited such nonsense. Compared to Arkansas...

1) A&M has more all-time wins
2) A&M has a better all-time winning %
3) A&M has as many national titles
4) A&M has more conference titles
5) A&M has a better bowl record
6) A&M has more Heisman winners


However, they have the better record head to head.

A&M has struggled the last decade for a variety of reasons. lest we forget, t.u.'s stretch in the 80s & 90s, not to mention USC before that.

fuck off already.

[ChumpDumper]

its funny how limited you are. and its funny how A&M's move has incited such nonsense. Compared to Arkansas...

1) A&M has more all-time wins
2) A&M has a better all-time winning %
3) A&M has as many national titles
4) A&M has more conference titles
5) A&M has a better bowl record
6) A&M has more Heisman winners


However, they have the better record head to head.

A&M has struggled the last decade for a variety of reasons. lest we forget, t.u.'s stretch in the 80s & 90s, not to mention USC before that.

fuck off already.lol so sensitive

[johngateswhiteley]

no, this forum just sucks after a while. too many posters that are either:

a) stupid

b) not funny

[ChumpDumper]

no, this forum just sucks after a while. too many posters that are either:

a) stupid

b) not funnyYou are being pretty sensitive though.

Sorry I turned your logic on you. That was unfair of me.

[Blake]

no, this forum just sucks after a while. too many posters that are either:

a) stupid

b) not funny

You're quite funny.

I have no doubt you'll come back and show off how smart you are if A&M finishes higher than arkansas next year.....bowl bid or not.

[Kermit]

USC fan with the butthurt.

[leemajors]

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1261679


The Southeastern Conference presidents met Tuesday night and voted to admit Texas A&M. But the vote came with a stipulation that still must be worked out.
The SEC presidents voted to admit Texas A&M as the 13th member of that league so long as each individual member of the Big 12 waives its right to litigation against the SEC.



Looks like Baylor may file suit.

[DMX7]

The member presidents of the Southeastern Conference unanimously voted to accept Texas A&M Tuesday night as the league's 13th member, but the Aggies' official acceptance has been delayed by the potential threat of legal action.

The SEC's presidents want assurances that no individual Big 12 school will sue for contractual interference over Texas A&M's departure. Baylor has not given that assurance to this point, according to sources.

"We were notified yesterday afternoon that at least one Big 12 institution had withdrawn its previous consent and was considering legal action," University of Florida president and SEC chairman Dr. Bernie Machen said in a statement released Wednesday. "The SEC has stated that to consider an institution for membership, there must be no contractual hindrances to its departure. "

The SEC received written assurance from the Big 12 on Sept. 2 that it was free to accept Texas A&M as a member, Machen said.

Texas A&M had planned a celebration and news conference at the College Station campus for Wednesday but that is now on hold.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6939017/texas-aggies-accepted-sec-legal-threat-delays-move

Sounds like Aggy fate is in the hands of Baylor, lol. If true, then extra LMAO.

[Blake]

"We were notified yesterday afternoon that at least one Big 12 institution had withdrawn its previous consent and was considering legal action,"

lol


Texas A&M had planned a celebration and news conference at the College Station campus for Wednesday but that is now on hold.


lmao

I can't blame Baylor or Iowa St if they want to sue the fuck out of everyone in sight.

....this stuff is so good. :lmao

[DMX7]

Baylor can only sue if it suffers damages, but of course it will if it ends up in the Mountain West or the WAC... tee-hee.

[Blake]

Baylor can only sue if it suffers damages

yeah, A&M followed the instructions for leaving that they were given. Don't really know what Baylor could base a claim on.

it'd be really funny if the school that threatened to sue was actually UT....

[DMX7]

yeah, A&M followed the instructions for leaving that they were given. Don't really know what Baylor could base a claim on.

it'd be really funny if the school that threatened to sue was actually UT....


The instructions issued by the league office for withdrawing are irrelevant to Baylor's claim.

Baylor would probably argue that because A&M left, it triggered the collapse of the conference, and therefore they suffered damages because they lost money from the TV contracts with Fox and ESPN. It's the SEC that would most likely get sued because Baylor would claim they tampered with the Big XII's contractual relationships. This is what I've heard.

[Axe Murderer]

Does anybody else find the whole Baylor thing ironic?

This is the same school that threw Rice, Houston, SMU, and TCU under the bus just to get into the Big XII

[coyotes_geek]

Baylor isn't going to sue anybody, they just want to be bought off.

[Blake]

The instructions issued by the league office for withdrawing are irrelevant to Baylor's claim.

Baylor would probably argue that because A&M left, it triggered the collapse of the conference, and therefore they suffered damages because they lost money from the TV contracts with Fox and ESPN. It's the SEC that would most likely get sued because Baylor would claim they tampered with the Big XII's contractual relationships. This is what I've heard.

They would be relevant to Baylor's claim because the contract that A&M got out of was between A&M and the Big 12......not directly between A&M and Baylor.

There has also been no indication that the current B12 TV money has been affected in any way by the departure of A&M, so I still don't see what Baylor will be basing a claim on.

[Blake]

Baylor isn't going to sue anybody, they just want to be bought off.

I think the bigger picture is that they don't want to get left out in the cold

[coyotes_geek]

I think the bigger picture is that they don't want to get left out in the cold

Certainly true, but they know it's inevitable so they're just looking to get what they can. Bigger cut of A&M's exit fee, agreements by A&M and/or SEC to have some non conference games, whatever else.

There's no scenario where going through with a lawsuit works out to Baylor's advantage.

[DMX7]

They would be relevant to Baylor's claim because the contract that A&M got out of was between A&M and the Big 12......not directly between A&M and Baylor.


Not really, that's why the SEC is asking each school individually to waive its right to sue in addition to the league office. The league office has already waived that right reportedly, but not one or more individual schools (probably Baylor).

[Kermit]

Not really, that's why the SEC is asking each school individually to waive its right to sue in addition to the league office. The league office has already waived that right reportedly, but not one or more individual schools (probably Baylor).

Yeah, no school in their right mind is going to waive any right to sue.

[DMX7]

The SEC also released the aforementioned letter, which was sent by Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe to SEC commissioner Mike Slive. "We both agreed," Beebe wrote, "it is in the best interests of each of our conferences and our member institutions of higher education to waive any and all legal actions by either conference and its members resulting from admission of Texas A&M into the SEC, as long as such admission is confirmed publicly by September 8, 2011."

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/09/07/texasam.sec/index.html#ixzz1XHhnxj7T

Beebe is the best in the business. :lol

[DMX7]

http://twitter.com/#!/danbeebe

[Kermit]

The SEC also released the aforementioned letter, which was sent by Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe to SEC commissioner Mike Slive. "We both agreed," Beebe wrote, "it is in the best interests of each of our conferences and our member institutions of higher education to waive any and all legal actions by either conference and its members resulting from admission of Texas A&M into the SEC, as long as such admission is confirmed publicly by September 8, 2011."

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/09/07/texasam.sec/index.html#ixzz1XHhnxj7T

Beebe is the best in the business. :lol

:lmao

[Blake]

Not really, that's why the SEC is asking each school individually to waive its right to sue in addition to the league office. The league office has already waived that right reportedly, but not one or more individual schools (probably Baylor).

I'm not talking about Baylor waiving the right to sue.

I'm talking about "if Baylor does decide to sue".

[coyotes_geek]

Yeah, no school in their right mind is going to waive any right to sue.

You think? I would think this would be pretty much standard practice. It's not like A&M is the first school to ever leave a conference. Nor do I think the SEC is the first conference to ever want to protect themselves against getting sued by a new member's former conference mates.

[Blake]

It's not like A&M is the first school to ever leave a conference.

or even the first to leave this conference

[pkbpkb81]

didn't the big east schools sue the acc when the u, bc, and the hokies took off? If so it didn't work cause there all i nthe acc not the big east.

[coyotes_geek]

didn't the big east schools sue the acc when the u, bc, and the hokies took off? If so it didn't work cause there all i nthe acc not the big east.

Google tells me they did. I'd be willing to bet that lawsuit started a trend of conferences requiring the legal waivers as a condition for admission.

[coyotes_geek]

The SEC also released the aforementioned letter, which was sent by Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe to SEC commissioner Mike Slive. "We both agreed," Beebe wrote, "it is in the best interests of each of our conferences and our member institutions of higher education to waive any and all legal actions by either conference and its members resulting from admission of Texas A&M into the SEC, as long as such admission is confirmed publicly by September 8, 2011."

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/09/07/texasam.sec/index.html#ixzz1XHhnxj7T

Beebe is the best in the business. :lol

Pretty good grounds for A&M and/or the SEC to sue Baylor and the Big 12 if Baylor is able to wreck the deal.

[DMX7]

Pretty good grounds for A&M and/or the SEC to sue Baylor and the Big 12 if Baylor is able to wreck the deal.

Why? Beebe speaks for the conference, not Baylor individually. The conference has waived it's right to sue, but Baylor sees itself personally being damaged and has not yet (reportedly at least) waived its right. LOL at the SEC suing Baylor though.

[Blake]

Pretty good grounds for A&M and/or the SEC to sue Baylor and the Big 12 if Baylor is able to wreck the deal.

I don't see it.

The SEC is the one that is denying A&M, not baylor.

[coyotes_geek]

Why? Beebe speaks for the conference, not Baylor individually. The conference has waived it's right to sue, but Baylor sees itself personally being damaged and has not yet (reportedly at least) waived its right. LOL at the SEC suing Baylor though.

I don't think anybody is going to get sued here. Baylor wants a pay off, not a legal battle. But for discussion sake, say Baylor does get the deal killed. A&M has then been personally damaged by Baylor and can sue them. A&M could also sue the Big 12 for misleading the SEC about the Big 12 conference's ability to speak for the conference as a whole.

You already said if Baylor sues anyone they'd sue the SEC, so why do you think it's LOL that the SEC would sue Baylor if Baylor sues them?


I don't see it.

The SEC is the one that is denying A&M, not baylor.

The SEC isn't denying A&M. They accepted A&M under the belief that all the big 12 schools had agreed to waive their rights to sue.

[elbamba]

I agree that Baylor will probably not sue. Their dean is one of the best lawyers of the last 30 years imho. Love him or hate him.

[DesignatedT]

I don't see it.

The SEC is the one that is denying A&M, not baylor.

:lol the SEC isn't denying A&M. Actually them and the Presidents of the schools in the SEC going public with all this information about unanimous vote and Baylor threatening litigation is their way of backing A&M up in this right now. Putting pressure on Baylor through the media and sorts. If Baylor doesn't budge on this stance then the SEC will still take A&M but it would definitely save a headache by seeing if it can be resolved without litigation first.

Baylor is fucking pathetic, the conference is already gone and A&M is not going to stay. They are just ruining relationships and their chance at staying relevant once the big12 dissolves at this point. Texas and 0U are not happy with them either for doing this.

[leemajors]

i am glad this shit has revived this forum tbh

[coyotes_geek]

Texas and 0U are not happy with them either for doing this.

You can add Mizzou, Okie state Tech and Kansas to that list. Maybe even Kansas State. Everyone knows the big 12 is about to die and nobody wants to set a precedent of Baylor being able to take options away from them.

[Blake]

I don't think anybody is going to get sued here. Baylor wants a pay off, not a legal battle. But for discussion sake, say Baylor does get the deal killed. A&M has then been personally damaged by Baylor and can sue them. A&M could also sue the Big 12 for misleading the SEC about the Big 12 conference's ability to speak for the conference as a whole.

You already said if Baylor sues anyone they'd sue the SEC, so why do you think it's LOL that the SEC would sue Baylor if Baylor sues them?



The SEC isn't denying A&M. They accepted A&M under the belief that all the big 12 schools had agreed to waive their rights to sue.

The only ones saying the SEC can't go ahead and invite A&M is the SEC.

[Blake]

:lol the SEC isn't denying A&M. Actually them and the Presidents of the schools in the SEC going public with all this information about unanimous vote and Baylor threatening litigation is their way of backing A&M up in this right now. Putting pressure on Baylor through the media and sorts. If Baylor doesn't budge on this stance then the SEC will still take A&M but it would definitely save a headache by seeing if it can be resolved without litigation first.

Baylor is fucking pathetic, the conference is already gone and A&M is not going to stay. They are just ruining relationships and their chance at staying relevant once the big12 dissolves at this point. Texas and 0U are not happy with them either for doing this.

Great, explain how A&M might be able to sue baylor.

[DesignatedT]

Great, explain how A&M might be able to sue baylor.

I never said that would happen genius....

[DesignatedT]

Statement from Dr. Bernie Machen, Chair, Southeastern Conference Presidents and Chancellors:

"After receiving unanimous written assurance from the Big 12 on September 2 that the Southeastern Conference was free to accept Texas A&M to join as a new member, the presidents and chancellors of the SEC met last night with the intention of accepting the application of Texas A&M to be the newest member of the SEC. We were notified yesterday afternoon that at least one Big 12 institution had withdrawn its previous consent and was considering legal action. The SEC has stated that to consider an institution for membership, there must be no contractual hindrances to its departure. The SEC voted unanimously to accept Texas A&M University as a member upon receiving acceptable reconfirmation that the Big 12 and its members have reaffirmed the letter dated September 2, 2011."

And here is the text of the enclosed letter:

September 2, 2011
Mike Slive
Commissioner
Southeastern Conference
2201 Richard Arrington Boulevard North
Birmingham, AL 35203

Dear Mike:

This is to confirm our discussion yesterday during which I informed you that the Big 12
Conference Board of Directors unanimously authorized me to convey to you and their colleagues
in the Southeastern Conference that the Big 12 and its members will not take any legal action for
any possible claims against the SEC or its members relating to the departure of Texas A&M
University from the Big 12 and the admission of Texas A&M into the SEC; provided, however,
that such act by the SEC to admit Texas A&M is publicly confirmed by 5:00 p.m. (CDT) on
September 8, 2011.

Such admission of Texas A&M will result in the withdrawal of Texas A&M from the Big 12
Conference effective June 30, 2012. We both agreed it is in the best interests of each of our
conferences and our member institutions of higher education to waive any and all legal actions
by either conference and its members resulting from admission of Texas A&M into the SEC, as
long as such admission is confirmed publicly by September 8, 2011.

If any of your presidents and chancellors have concerns about this commitment of the Big 12
Conference, they may contact me or Brady Deaton, Big 12 Board of Director chairman and
chancellor of the University of Missouri, Columbia.

Sincerely,
Dan Beebe
Commissioner

[DesignatedT]

That wouldn't necessarily bode well for BU in a courtroom. Also, if there is any other sorts of documentation showing Baylor agreed to waive it's rights of litigation against the SEC then a lawsuit wouldnt go very far.

Of course 1st step would be to try and talk BU out of suing before taking the other road.

[Kermit]

Statement from Dr. Bernie Machen, Chair, Southeastern Conference Presidents and Chancellors:

"After receiving unanimous written assurance from the Big 12 on September 2 that the Southeastern Conference was free to accept Texas A&M to join as a new member, the presidents and chancellors of the SEC met last night with the intention of accepting the application of Texas A&M to be the newest member of the SEC. We were notified yesterday afternoon that at least one Big 12 institution had withdrawn its previous consent and was considering legal action. The SEC has stated that to consider an institution for membership, there must be no contractual hindrances to its departure. The SEC voted unanimously to accept Texas A&M University as a member upon receiving acceptable reconfirmation that the Big 12 and its members have reaffirmed the letter dated September 2, 2011."

And here is the text of the enclosed letter:

September 2, 2011
Mike Slive
Commissioner
Southeastern Conference
2201 Richard Arrington Boulevard North
Birmingham, AL 35203

Dear Mike:

This is to confirm our discussion yesterday during which I informed you that the Big 12
Conference Board of Directors unanimously authorized me to convey to you and their colleagues
in the Southeastern Conference that the Big 12 and its members will not take any legal action for
any possible claims against the SEC or its members relating to the departure of Texas A&M
University from the Big 12 and the admission of Texas A&M into the SEC; provided, however,
that such act by the SEC to admit Texas A&M is publicly confirmed by 5:00 p.m. (CDT) on
September 8, 2011.

Such admission of Texas A&M will result in the withdrawal of Texas A&M from the Big 12
Conference effective June 30, 2012. We both agreed it is in the best interests of each of our
conferences and our member institutions of higher education to waive any and all legal actions
by either conference and its members resulting from admission of Texas A&M into the SEC, as
long as such admission is confirmed publicly by September 8, 2011.

If any of your presidents and chancellors have concerns about this commitment of the Big 12
Conference, they may contact me or Brady Deaton, Big 12 Board of Director chairman and
chancellor of the University of Missouri, Columbia.

Sincerely,
Dan Beebe
Commissioner

I think you're in over your head here. Baylor is allowed to withdraw it's consent.

[Kermit]

That wouldn't necessarily bode well for BU in a courtroom. Also, if there is any other sorts of documentation showing Baylor agreed to waive it's rights of litigation against the SEC then a lawsuit wouldnt go very far.

Of course 1st step would be to try and talk BU out of suing before taking the other road.

If they had done that, Aggy wouldn't be sweating so hard right now.

[DesignatedT]

I think they are just posturing. I don't believe there is a real case here. It is definitely not helping the fact of keeping the big12 together, which is why im so confused why Baylor is doing this.

Texas A&M will not play football in the big12 in 2012. It will not happen regardlesss.

Baylor should have let us go as quick as possible and let Dodds attempt to save the conference with other members, not keep dragging this out and letting OU set up there exit.

[Kermit]

I think they are just posturing. I don't believe there is a real case here. It is definitely not helping the fact of keeping the big12 together, which is why im so confused why Baylor is doing this.

Texas A&M will not play football in the big12 in 2012. It will not happen regardlesss.

Baylor should have let us go as quick as possible and let Dodds attempt to save the conference with other members, not keep dragging this out and letting OU set up there exit.

Well...


finebaum: @billyliucci w/PF,'As of a few minutes ago, the Big 12 concluded their teleconference & Baylor is not backing down.'

finebaum: Liucci,'A&M is not playing football in the Big 12 in 2012, regardless of any of this.'

finebaum: Liucci,'The threat of litigation from Waco looms large.'

[coyotes_geek]

The only ones saying the SEC can't go ahead and invite A&M is the SEC.

Waiting for the legal wrangling to work itself out is not a denial. Once Baylor gets their bribe A&M is in.

[DesignatedT]

If it happens I don't believe they will actually sue. They are threatening hard and aren't changing.. okay. Doubt they go through with it.

Still fucking retarded on their part. This is not helping the big12 stay together by any means.

[Kermit]

If it happens I don't believe they will actually sue. They are threatening hard and aren't changing.. okay. Doubt they go through with it.

Still fucking retarded on their part. This is not helping the big12 stay together by any means.

No. But if I laugh any harder I may fucking die.

[DesignatedT]

No. But if I laugh any harder I may fucking die.

One could only hope.

[Kermit]

One could only hope.

Aggy going independent might just do it.

[DesignatedT]

Aggy going independent might just do it.

They could for a year and then join the SEC with no litigation factors. Either way they aren't staying in the big12. Baylor is holding the league back by doing this. They really are retarded.

If Oklahoma and OSU decide to leave it would also end all of this.

[Kermit]

They could for a year and then join the SEC with no litigation factors. Either way they aren't staying the big12. Baylor is holding the league back by doing this. They really are retarded.

What's the statute of limitations here? I don't think it's one year.

[DesignatedT]

What's the statute of limitations here? I don't think it's one year.

I was under the impression that it was. Might not be, i'm not sure.

[Blake]

I never said that would happen genius....

so you normally jump into conversations and reply to points made without understanding the context.

I like it! Pure genius!

[yavozerb]

They could for a year and then join the SEC with no litigation factors. Either way they aren't staying in the big12. Baylor is holding the league back by doing this. They really are retarded.

If Oklahoma and OSU decide to leave it would also end all of this.

Wrong..Baylor is doing exactly what ATM has already done and that is look out for itself. Baylor must know already that OU is pretty close to leaving or I do not think they would carry this threat so far. Baylor may not stop ATM from leaving, but they seem angry enough to be a thorn in ATM's side for quite sometime in the courtrooms which could keep ATM out of the SEC for at least next season. Cant fault Baylor for being upset in this mater.

[Blake]

im so confused why Baylor is doing this.


shocker

[DesignatedT]

shocker

Tell me why. Looking out for #1? Really? By holding up the big12 so it can't go try to expand and add new members? :lmao A&M is not staying, get over it.

[Blake]

Waiting for the legal wrangling to work itself out is not a denial.

Sure it is. The SEC can instantly add the Aggies this second if they wanted to.

Unless someone can show otherwise, afaik, there is no law, NCAA rule or contractual obligation stating that the SEC must wait based on threat of a lawsuit.

[coyotes_geek]

What's the statute of limitations here? I don't think it's one year.

Doesn't matter. A&M leaves the conference the conference either survives without A&M or someone else leaves and the confrence dies. If the conference survives, Baylor doesn't have much of a case about A&M's departure causing them irreparable harm. If the conference dies, Baylor doesn't have much of a case because how do they prove it was A&M's departure who killed the conference as opposed to Nebraska, Colorado or whoever left after A&M did.

[Blake]

Tell me why.

1. there's an infinitely small chance that the hold up might fuck up A&M's move to the SEC and force them back to the B12.....which is still a chance.

2. they could end up with a cash settlement

3. they could be simply wanting to fuck up the Aggies SEC celebration party that was scheduled this week.


Tell me why they should go ahead and give the consent to not sue.

[Kermit]

Doesn't matter. A&M leaves the conference the conference either survives without A&M or someone else leaves and the confrence dies. If the conference survives, Baylor doesn't have much of a case about A&M's departure causing them irreparable harm. If the conference dies, Baylor doesn't have much of a case because how do they prove it was A&M's departure who killed the conference as opposed to Nebraska, Colorado or whoever left after A&M did.

What does it matter what they can prove? They will be suing the SEC, not A&M. It's all fucking posturing and it's hilarious.

[DesignatedT]

Tell me why they should go ahead and give the consent to not sue.

So this is about fucking up our celebration :lmao

The conference has a better chance of surviving if they let us go and keep the remaining 9 happy and attempt to add. Last week you were saying how the BIG12 will be just fine without A&M and how nobody cares :lmao

Now Baylor has a better chance of it surviving by threatning litigation? What happned to BYU? what a fuckin joke.

I thought we were just a minor piece of the puzzle.

[Blake]

What's the statute of limitations here? I don't think it's one year.

Baylor hasn't been damaged just yet.

And if/when they do show that damage has been done, they will have to prove A&M was responsible.

Hell, if UT, Tech, OU and OSU also bolt, there's no reason for Baylor to not sue all four of them either.

[Blake]

Doesn't matter. A&M leaves the conference the conference either survives without A&M or someone else leaves and the confrence dies. If the conference survives, Baylor doesn't have much of a case about A&M's departure causing them irreparable harm. If the conference dies, Baylor doesn't have much of a case because how do they prove it was A&M's departure who killed the conference as opposed to Nebraska, Colorado or whoever left after A&M did.

pretty much.

If the B12 sticks around for a while and the TV money remains the same after the Aggies go, it'll be next to impossible to pin anything on them.

[coyotes_geek]

What does it matter what they can prove? They will be suing the SEC, not A&M. It's all fucking posturing and it's hilarious.

If it's all posturing then the statute of limitations still doesn't matter.

And I agree with you that it's all posturing.

[yavozerb]

Doesn't matter. A&M leaves the conference the conference either survives without A&M or someone else leaves and the confrence dies. If the conference survives, Baylor doesn't have much of a case about A&M's departure causing them irreparable harm. If the conference dies, Baylor doesn't have much of a case because how do they prove it was A&M's departure who killed the conference as opposed to Nebraska, Colorado or whoever left after A&M did.

Does the new tv contract signed last year include Nebraska or Colorado? If ATM would have left last season they could have gotten past all of this. Instead, they wait less than 1 year after signing a multi-year contract to break the contract. How do you not understand why Baylor would be upset at this?

[Blake]

So this is about fucking up our celebration :lmao

The conference has a better chance of surviving if they let us go and keep the remaining 9 happy and attempt to add. Last week you were saying how the BIG12 will be just fine without A&M and how nobody cares :lmao

Now Baylor has a better chance of it surviving by threatning litigation? What happned to BYU? what a fuckin joke.

I thought we were just a minor piece of the puzzle.


Tell me why they should give the consent to not sue.

[Kermit]

pretty much.

If the B12 sticks around for a while and the TV money remains the same after the Aggies go, it'll be next to impossible to pin anything on them.

Aggy Network next year?

[DesignatedT]

To keep the big 12 together... I thought you guys could go add BYU and never look back? At least that's what you were saying a week ago.

A&M is not staying.

[yavozerb]

To keep the big 12 together... I thought you guys could go add BYU and never look back? At least that's what you were saying a week ago.

A&M is not staying.

Baylor thinks other wise...:lol

[Blake]

To keep the big 12 together... I thought you guys could go add BYU and never look back? At least that's what you were saying a week ago.

A&M is not staying.

right.


Tell me why Baylor should give the consent to not sue.

[DMX7]

Only one program doesn't see it that way apparently.

[Kermit]

To keep the big 12 together... I thought you guys could go add BYU and never look back? At least that's what you were saying a week ago.

A&M is not staying.

Who's the "you" in this?

[DesignatedT]

Are you fucking retarded Blake? Every minute they keep threatning litigation and make A&M linger around here is ultimately hurting the chances the big12 stays together.

[Blake]

Who's the "you" in this?

that was me.

I said if the Big XII added someone like BYU to replace A&M, then things should still be ok from a TV contract standpoint.

Problem now is that apparently OU doesn't like adding BYU to make 10 and worse adding teams like Air Force or Houston to make 12.

[NFO]

1. there's an infinitely small chance that the hold up might fuck up A&M's move to the SEC and force them back to the B12.....which is still a chance.

That reminds me of the line in Dumb and Dumber where the girl responds to Lloyds advances by saying about 1 and one million, and he responds by saying, "So you're saying there is a chance" and being excited about it.

A&M is done in the Big 12. Period, no chance they are there next year.



2. they could end up with a cash settlement

Possibly.



3. they could be simply wanting to fuck up the Aggies SEC celebration party that was scheduled this week.

Pretty petty if that is the case.



Tell me why they should go ahead and give the consent to not sue.

I agree with no waving their consent to sue. But just because they don't waive their right to sue doesn't mean Baylor would actually sue, i.e. a cash settlement or the rest of the confernce imploding.

[DesignatedT]

Who's the "you" in this?

The big12. If BU wants to keep their AQ status and keep the big 12 alive they shouldn't be obsessing over A&M (who is already gone) but instead letting us go and start working on the other 4 schools who have their eyes on the PAC to stay and add other programs.

[yavozerb]

Are you fucking retarded Blake? Every minute they keep threatning litigation and make A&M linger around here is ultimately hurting the chances the big12 stays together.

The Big12 is not staying together....Why do you not understand this? I do not believe Baylor would be going through all of this without justification that OU and UT are on there way out, which in turn leaves Baylor without a conference.

[Blake]

Are you fucking retarded Blake? Every minute they keep threatning litigation and make A&M linger around here is ultimately hurting the chances the big12 stays together.

You've been proven retarded in another thread so I think it's clearly you that is lagging behind here.

Either explain how the Big 12's chances to stay together get hurt by making A&M linger around or simply ask questions to catch up with the rest of the group.

[DesignatedT]

The Big12 is not staying together....Why do you not understand this? I do not believe Baylor would be going through all of this without justification that OU and UT are on there way out, which in turn leaves Baylor without a conference.

That must be the case, otherwise this makes no sense. That's all i was saying. If they believe the big12 is already dead and OU is already out the door then they have nothing to lose by doing this.

I was responding to the fact that threatening litigation would be the best chance for the big12 to stay together, it won't we are already gone... Letting us go quietly and working with Texas to keep OU and start adding programs would give the most likely chance for the big12 to stay together.

[coyotes_geek]

Does the new tv contract signed last year include Nebraska or Colorado? If ATM would have left last season they could have gotten past all of this. Instead, they wait less than 1 year after signing a multi-year contract to break the contract. How do you not understand why Baylor would be upset at this?

I think you're confusing me with someone else. I never said I don't understand why Baylor would get upset. I know exactly why Baylor is upset. They see the big 12 crumbling, they know they're going to get left out so they want to at least get something from A&M before A&M's departure knocks over any more dominoes.

[DesignatedT]

You've been proven retarded in another thread so I think it's clearly you that is lagging behind here.

Either explain how the Big 12's chances to stay together get hurt by making A&M linger around or simply ask questions to catch up with the rest of the group.

Hilarious the turnaround from the beginning of this

"Lert a&m go, they aren't important"
"texas holds the keys to the conference"
"we will just add notre dame, arkansas or byu"
"wait sec voted unanimously to accept a&m"
"threaten litigation quick, it's the only way for big12 to survive"

[Kermit]

Hilarious the turnaround from the beginning of this

"Lert a&m go, they aren't important"
"texas holds the keys to the conference"
"we will just add notre dame, arkansas or byu"
"wait sec voted unanimously to accept a&m"
"threaten litigation quick, it's the only way for big12 to survive"

It wasn't unamimous. KKK Aggy voted against you. There is no turnaround. Just more laughter.

[DesignatedT]

Either explain how the Big 12's chances to stay together get hurt by making A&M linger around or simply ask questions to catch up with the rest of the group.

Why doesn' baylor start working with the other teams (that aren't already gone) to help salvage and stabilize the league. Every minute they keep a&m around is hurting the chances of another program wanting to join or a current program leave as well.


billyliucci Billy Liucci
Again, Texas A&M is O-U-T out...nothing BU does will change that. All that's happening is B12 stability becoming less likely by the hour
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[Kermit]

So about Aggy independence, how the fuck is that going to happen?

[DesignatedT]

It wasn't unamimous. KKK Aggy voted against you. There is no turnaround. Just more laughter.

SEC voted unanimously to accept A&M.

here is the quote from Ole Miss chancellor Dan Jones


Mississippi Chancellor Dr. Dan Jones said the SEC felt the Big 12 letter offered clear legal standing.

"We've been clear that we'd be happy to receive them if they're unfettered of obligations. We gathered to have a vote. We had a letter that clearly gave us legal clearance. It was frustrating to be gathered and then have things pulled out from under Texas A&M like that. We're disappointed for Texas A&M."

[DMX7]

This was posted on the Aggie board by a poster using the handle "shiftyandquick".

I was actually thinking the same, but it's only a possibility. I'm not saying it's correct.


Fact: Beebe sends a letter saying no lawsuits.

Fact: OU President makes waves by saying OU is looking.

Implication: if OU leaves, Big 12 dissolves.

Then the small schools, who may not have a soft landing, start panicing (Baylor, K State, ISU).

OU motivates the smaller schools to take the heat by sticking their necks out and blocking the A&M move, but OU does not get the blame. Baylor does.

OU does the heavy lifting, takes the indirect blame, while UT is deemed innocent of any meddling. Very clever. Because if UT had threatened to leave causing the small schools to scurry, it would be easy to cry foul. With OU threatening, everyone buys it as legit.

All the while OU and UT, hand in hand, getting what they want.

Very clever indeed. Very clever.

[DesignatedT]

That is pure speculation.

[Kermit]

That is pure speculation.

http://files.myopera.com/pokarnor/albums/759706/thumbs/Mexican%20O%20RLY.jpg_thumb.jpg

[DMX7]

That is pure speculation.

Of course, as is just about everything at this point, but it's highly logical.

[DesignatedT]

Of course, as is just about everything at this point. It's highly logical though.

Knowing that Baylor is infact the one school keeping this from happening is not speculation. that is fact.

Saying that its all one big conspiracy that OU and UT are behind is not.

[Blake]

That reminds me of the line in Dumb and Dumber where the girl responds to Lloyds advances by saying about 1 and one million, and he responds by saying, "So you're saying there is a chance" and being excited about it.

A&M is done in the Big 12. Period, no chance they are there next year.

I'm saying there's a chance.


Pretty petty if that is the case.

Agreed but at this point, I wouldn't blame Baylor for being petty.

[Kermit]

From Shaggy.


Rec'd about 10 minutes ago. Confirms much of the same info tweeted by Billy Liucci.

"Big XII conference call just ended. 3 teams suing Texas A&M and per SEC statement, SEC will not accept A&M until litigation/contractual hinderances are removed. Suits will not be cleared in time for SEC acceptance deadline so they would not be approved to exit the Big XII, like Beebe said in his follow up letter to Slive..."

HERE"S THE GREAT PART:

At some point, it was brought up that 'so, A&M won't be able to play in the SEC next season at all then, I guess.' Beebe chimed in (basically), 'Well they won't be playing here either.'"

So, the litigation threat wasn't necessarily directed at the SEC, but just issues over A&M's departure, like you would normally have, to negotiate an exit settlement. I tend to believe this, since the SEC statement read:

Dr. Bernie Machen: "After receiving unanimous written assurance from the Big 12 on September 2 that the Southeastern Conference was free to accept Texas A&M to join as a new member, the presidents and chancellors of the SEC met last night with the intention of accepting the application of Texas A&M to be the newest member of the SEC. We were notified yesterday afternoon that at least one Big 12 institution had withdrawn its previous consent and was considering legal action. The SEC has stated that to consider an institution for membership, there must be no contractual hindrances to its departure. The SEC voted unanimously to accept Texas A&M University as a member upon receiving acceptable reconfirmation that the Big 12 and its members have reaffirmed the letter dated September 2, 2011."

SO, WHAT'S FUNNY TO ME, IS THAT THE DEADLINE FOR ALLOWING DEPARTURE GIVEN BY BEEBE GUARANTEED THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN. There would be no way to negotiate the exit penalties, etc in that short timeframe, especially since aggy is broke as fuck. I guess from a negotiation standpoint, Beebe could have done this to disallow aggy time to squabble over mere dollars, since time is of the essence.

I eagerly await the filing and serving of Plaintiff's petitions on agroid.

[DesignatedT]

I'm saying there's a chance.

.

What happened to the for sure certainty and optimism by everyone that we are very easy to replace. Threatening litigation against us gives the conference more of a chance to survive then letting us go quietly, saving face, and working diligently to help Texas and OU and the commissioner to keep the current conference together by adding 1 program?

[DMX7]

Knowing that Baylor is infact the one school keeping this from happening is not speculation. that is fact.


That's obviously not what I'm saying is speculation. The motives of Texas, OU, and Baylor are speculation.

[Blake]

If they believe the big12 is already dead and OU is already out the door then they have nothing to lose by doing this.


yay you got it!

No Child Left Behind in action.

[DesignatedT]

Now this is just getting retarded again. Everyone speculating and making shit up now. I guess well just have to wait again and see.

[Blake]

From Shaggy.

god this stuff is so good.....

[DesignatedT]

yay you got it!

No Child Left Behind in action.

You understand we already informed the big12 we are leaving the conference right. You understand OU hasn't right? Why would you be working on us when they are having the same doubts.

[coyotes_geek]

Fact: Beebe sends a letter saying no lawsuits.

Fact: OU President makes waves by saying OU is looking.

Implication: if OU leaves, Big 12 dissolves.

Then the small schools, who may not have a soft landing, start panicing (Baylor, K State, ISU).

OU motivates the smaller schools to take the heat by sticking their necks out and blocking the A&M move, but OU does not get the blame. Baylor does.

OU does the heavy lifting, takes the indirect blame, while UT is deemed innocent of any meddling. Very clever. Because if UT had threatened to leave causing the small schools to scurry, it would be easy to cry foul. With OU threatening, everyone buys it as legit.

All the while OU and UT, hand in hand, getting what they want.

Very clever indeed. Very clever.

Not buying this for a couple of reasons.

First, I don't think OU and Texas are afraid to stand up to A&M and wouldn't see a need to concoct this scheme involving Baylor.

Second, I don't think OU and Texas want to set a precedent where lawsuit threats from Baylor could hinder what they want to do.

Third, OU going public with thoughts of bolting to the pac 12 is guaranteed to scare off quality expansion targets.

[Kermit]

god this stuff is so good.....

To think that Beebe might have outsmarted someone....

I don't have the words.

[Blake]

What happened to the for sure certainty and optimism by everyone that we are very easy to replace. Threatening litigation against us gives the conference more of a chance to survive then letting us go quietly, saving face, and working diligently to help Texas and OU and the commissioner to keep the current conference together by adding 1 program?

The Big 12 could add BYU and according to reports quoting TV execs, there would be no issues keeping the TV deals as is.

What does Baylor fucking with A&M have to do with adding BYU?

...unless you believe that A&M can still be a member of the Big 12....

[DesignatedT]

Beebe outsmarted someone? The guy is a complete fraud. Sending a letter to the SEC saying all issues involving litigation have been handled and everyone has agreed not too take action. Only to go back on his words once again. How this guy has a job is beyond me. The SEC will take A&M and will welcome a lawsuit if it is completely necessary and use his letter for one. There is no case here.

[Blake]

You understand we already informed the big12 we are leaving the conference right. You understand OU hasn't right? Why would you be working on us when they are having the same doubts.

:lol Do you not understand what you just said about Baylor having nothing to lose?

[DMX7]

OH, it's just keeps getting better.

USA Today - Breaking News: Iowa State has not waived legal rights regarding Texas A&M's SEC move

Iowa State officials are retaining their legal rights in the growing muddle surrounding Texas A&M's decision to join the Southeastern Conference.

A school spokesman said Iowa State has not waived its legal rights regarding Texas A&M's move to the SEC.

John McCarroll, an Iowa State spokesman, said Wednesday that the school has not waived its rights to sue either the SEC or Texas A&M for the involvement in that university's decision to leave the Big 12 Conference.

"There has been no waiver of any legal rights," said McCarroll, speaking for school president Gregory Geoffroy.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/09/iowa-state-legal-rights-texas-a38m-move-sec/1

[Blake]

To think that Beebe might have outsmarted someone....

I don't have the words.

I could see Russell Crowe playing crazy genius Beebe in the movie.

[DesignatedT]

:lol Do you not understand what you just said about Baylor having nothing to lose?

Yeah, if it was certain the big12 would crumble if A&M left. According to everyone during this whole process the conference would be just fine without us......

So it is certain the crumble if we leave? Last week we were a simple piece of the puzzle who noone cared about. So we hold the keys to the conference? Not texas?

[coyotes_geek]

predictable. iowa state sees baylor getting some traction and they want a cut too.

[leemajors]

OH, it's just keeps getting better.

USA Today - Breaking News: Iowa State has not waived legal rights regarding Texas A&M's SEC move

Iowa State officials are retaining their legal rights in the growing muddle surrounding Texas A&M's decision to join the Southeastern Conference.

A school spokesman said Iowa State has not waived its legal rights regarding Texas A&M's move to the SEC.

John McCarroll, an Iowa State spokesman, said Wednesday that the school has not waived its rights to sue either the SEC or Texas A&M for the involvement in that university's decision to leave the Big 12 Conference.

"There has been no waiver of any legal rights," said McCarroll, speaking for school president Gregory Geoffroy.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/09/iowa-state-legal-rights-texas-a38m-move-sec/1

i wonder who is next

[Blake]

OH, it's just keeps getting better.

USA Today - Breaking News: Iowa State has not waived legal rights regarding Texas A&M's SEC move

Iowa State officials are retaining their legal rights in the growing muddle surrounding Texas A&M's decision to join the Southeastern Conference.

A school spokesman said Iowa State has not waived its legal rights regarding Texas A&M's move to the SEC.

John McCarroll, an Iowa State spokesman, said Wednesday that the school has not waived its rights to sue either the SEC or Texas A&M for the involvement in that university's decision to leave the Big 12 Conference.

"There has been no waiver of any legal rights," said McCarroll, speaking for school president Gregory Geoffroy.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/09/iowa-state-legal-rights-texas-a38m-move-sec/1

:lol since the SEC statement said "at least one school has not waived it's rights...." I was wondering if Baylor wasn't alone.....

surely K St and maybe Kansas as well....

[DesignatedT]

SEC will now welcome the lawsuit since Iowa State and others are joining the party, imo

[coyotes_geek]

k-state, maybe kansas, but it would stop there.

[Kermit]

predictable. iowa state sees baylor getting some traction and they want a cut too.

@1053thefan: BREAKING NEWS: @richiewhitt reporting that #Kansas and KSU are joining #Baylor in legal actions against A&M going to #SEC.

:lmao

[Blake]

Yeah, if it was certain the big12 would crumble if A&M left. According to everyone during this whole process the conference would be just fine without us......

So it is certain the crumble if we leave? Last week we were a simple piece of the puzzle who noone cared about. So we hold the keys to the conference? Not texas?

leave it to a nutgrabber to blame Baylor for the future collapse of the conference that they are trying to keep together.

[DMX7]

SEC will now welcome the lawsuit since Iowa State and others are joining the party, imo

They're not taking A&M with multiple persepctive or pending lawsuits, lol.

A&M will have to get this settled on its own.

[DesignatedT]

leave it to a nutgrabber to blame Baylor for the future collapse of the conference that they are trying to keep together.

Blaming Baylor? Where have i once blamed them for the demise of the conference. I blame Dan Beebe and Deloss Dodds. Always have.

It doesn't make sense for Baylor to hold onto us like were not already gone while 4 other big12 schools are peeking to the west. Let us go, work on keeping them. Is that hard to understand?

[Blake]

SEC will now welcome the lawsuit since Iowa State and others are joining the party, imo

Baylor and the rest will not be suing the SEC.

Keep up or shut up, tbh.

[pkbpkb81]

Yeah, if it was certain the big12 would crumble if A&M left. According to everyone during this whole process the conference would be just fine without us......

So it is certain the crumble if we leave? Last week we were a simple piece of the puzzle who noone cared about. So we hold the keys to the conference? Not texas?

the b12 will be fine without you it is the Sooners it can not lose, and if aggies leave it opens the door for OU to bolt

[DMX7]

I honestly hope A&M esacpes without getting killed by law suits. It's a public school, so I don't want may tax dollars some how, some way going to Baylor or Iowa State.

[DesignatedT]

They're not taking A&M with multiple persepctive or pending lawsuits, lol.

A&M will have to get this settled on its own.

There is a few things that could happen.

1. SEC takes A&M regardless of the lawsuits, they would need to feel that they have no case obviously.

2. A&M and SEC wait it out a little while hoping Texas and OU stabilize the league and the money in the conference where we could go without problem.

3.Wait for PAC to arrange a mass exit of UT,OU,OSU and Tech to where the conference completely crumbles.

Either way, we are not playing in the big12 next year and A&M wants this done immediately so it isn't lingering on their season (reason why this is going on during our bye week)

[DMX7]

the b12 will be fine without you it is the Sooners it can not lose, and if aggies leave it opens the door for OU to bolt

This. And if OU bolts, Texas is gone.

[Blake]

Blaming Baylor? Where have i once blamed them for the demise of the conference. I blame Dan Beebe and Deloss Dodds. Always have.


Are you fucking retarded Blake? Every minute they keep threatning litigation and make A&M linger around here is ultimately hurting the chances the big12 stays together.

Now you've been proven fucking retarded in two threads.

congrats.

[DesignatedT]

the b12 will be fine without you it is the Sooners it can not lose, and if aggies leave it opens the door for OU to bolt

Why would OU want to bolt? Nobody cares if we leave, we aren't important.

[DesignatedT]

Now you've been proven fucking retarded in two threads.

congrats.

How am I blaming Baylor there? You constantly reach for things that aren't there :lmao

I don't think the big12 lasts either way, but keeping us here threatening litigation isn't giving the conference a better chance at staying compared to letting us go quietly, saving face and working on keeping OU here while adding another program. I've said it over and over and over again, you cant seem to understand.

I never said "Baylor is responsible for nebraska, colorado, and texas a&m leaving"

[pkbpkb81]

Why would OU want to bolt? Nobody cares if we leave, we aren't important.

your not, OU has wanted to move to the pack 12 for years and now can use you as a scape goat

[DesignatedT]

your not, OU has wanted to move to the pack 12 for years and now can use you as a scape goat

well obviously we are then.... if you need us to go first.

[rjv]

the big XII is done. whether or not it is within weeks or a year. it is going away.

[DMX7]

The Texas Ag fans are too funny. I just read one of their posts suggesting that the Big XII vote Baylor out of the conference to allow this to go through. You can't make this shit up. It was pretty serious sounding too. :lol

[pkbpkb81]

well obviously we are then.... if you need us to go first.

It's just for pr. OU dosn't wanna be know as the team that blow it up. OU and ut are the only 2 teams in the b12 that can not be replaced.

The question you need to ask is do the OU and ut want to replace the aggies or are they looking for a way out and your dumb ass gave it to them.

[coyotes_geek]

your not, OU has wanted to move to the pack 12 for years and now can use you as a scape goat

In order to be able to use A&M as a scapegoat, OU needs A&M to be successful in clearing all these legal hurdles to get to the SEC. Otherwise, A&M either goes independent, thus making OU the conference killer if they try to leave, or A&M sticks around and fires up the Baylor/IowaSt/Kansas/K-St quartet to make sure OU can't leave either.

[pkbpkb81]

well obviously we are then.... if you need us to go first.

I don’t understand why you have this since of entitlement your school is broke and a loser program
You will never be on the leave of OU, ut, bama, ect….

[pkbpkb81]

In order to be able to use A&M as a scapegoat, OU needs A&M to be successful in clearing all these legal hurdles to get to the SEC. Otherwise, A&M either goes independent, thus making OU the conference killer if they try to leave, or A&M sticks around and fires up the Baylor/IowaSt/Kansas/K-St quartet to make sure OU can't leave either.

If the other schools try and stop OU from leaveing OU has the money to fight unlike the aggies

[DMX7]

This looks like it could get really messy. I'm going to pull myself away from here for a while.

EDIT: Oh, just a reminder though. No one is holding back A&M from leaving. A&M was not admitted to the SEC unconditionally. If it wants to go and pay the exit fee, plus deal with the lawsuits, then it can go. A&M and SEC are trying to have their cake and eat it too. Too bad. No one is holding you back. The SEC doesn't want you bad enough to come with your baggage. If it did, you'd already be members, but you're not.

[pkbpkb81]

Sooner scoop has twitted that no b12 school wavied there right to sue

[Blake]

How am I blaming Baylor there?.....

....but keeping us here threatening litigation isn't giving the conference a better chance at staying

goddamn you are now so far backwards, you are now actually ahead, answering your own question

[Blake]

Sooner scoop has twitted that no b12 school wavied there right to sue

honestly, I don't see why any of them would unless A&M cuts each and every single one of them a nice fat non-bouncing check.

[DesignatedT]

I don’t understand why you have this since of entitlement your school is broke and a loser program
You will never be on the leave of OU, ut, bama, ect….

:lol I understand that OU is the key to the conference moving forward.

I was pretty much just responding to the last month of speculation about how the big12 would be just fine without us and teams like OU and UT would just bring in another player like Notre Dame, BYU or Arkansas, when in reality OU wants out just as bad. According to UT fans this was not the case and we were being bitches for leaving, nobody cared, and the big12 wouldn't skip a beat.

[DesignatedT]

Everyone but OU, OSU and Texas would probably not sign the waiver. Those three teams know where they would end up.

[DesignatedT]

Baylor wants a commitment from OU to stay in the conference and keep it going and it would reportedly let A&M walk without hassle.

[coyotes_geek]

If the other schools try and stop OU from leaveing OU has the money to fight unlike the aggies

Debateable, considering the increased damages that would be sought from OU as opposed to what would be sought from A&M.

If OU truly wants out, their best play is to forget about trying to play the scapegoat game and just round up everyone who wants to get out and have everyone make their move at the same time.

[Kermit]

Baylor wants a commitment from OU to stay in the conference and keep it going and it would reportedly let A&M walk without hassle.

OU is going to tell them to fuck themselves.

[leemajors]

:corn:

I wonder if A&M had any idea it would blow up like this.

[DesignatedT]

:corn:

I wonder if A&M had any idea it would blow up like this.

Sure, until Beebe sent a letter to the SEC saying "The conference AND ITS INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS will not take action against the SEC"

Of course they made a mistake, trusting Dan Beebe.

[coyotes_geek]

:corn:

I wonder if A&M had any idea it would blow up like this.

I doubt it. I doubt anyone did TBH.

[coyotes_geek]

Everyone but OU, OSU and Texas would probably not sign the waiver. Those three teams know where they would end up.

Missouri is still getting some buzz about being SEC#14, so I don't think they'd be a party to this. They've wanted out for a long time, seems like they wouldn't want to risk anyone getting in their way if they find a way to punch their own ticket out of town.

[Sisk]

Texas A&M doesn't matter, but this whole thing has been more dramatic than the fucking Iraqi war.

[ChumpDumper]

predictable. iowa state sees baylor getting some traction and they want a cut too.But no one predicted it.

Definitely not any Aggies.

[Sisk]

But no one predicted it.

Definitely not any Aggies.

I wonder if any roadrunners did.

[ChumpDumper]

I wonder if any roadrunners did.What part of "no one" does Aggie not understand?

[Blake]

But no one predicted it.

Definitely not any Aggies.


lmao

I can't blame Baylor or Iowa St if they want to sue the fuck out of everyone in sight.

....this stuff is so good. :lmao

I did everything but actually predict Iowa St following suit this morning.

lol

[DMX7]

shiftyandquick and I sure predicted it. We also predicted OU's threat to leave as part of the whole equation.

[Blake]

I wonder if any roadrunners did.

gotdamn almost every time you post, a stereotypical aggie joke runs through my head.

[ChumpDumper]

I did everything but actually predict it this morning.

lolAnd you're not even a sports management lawyer like half the Aggies here.

[Sisk]

And you're not even a sports management lawyer like half the Aggies here.

Contractual Law would be more accurate, tbh.

[Blake]

Contractual Law would be more accurate, tbh.

:lol even sadder

[ChumpDumper]

Contractual Law would be more accurate, tbh.Do sports have contracts, Aggie?

[Sisk]

Do sports have contracts, Aggie?

Conferences do.

[ChumpDumper]

Conferences do.So your answer is yes.

And can one have degrees in sports management and law like the Aggies around here like to pretend?

[Sisk]

So your answer is yes.

And can one have degrees in sports management and law like the Aggies around here like to pretend?

No, my answer is that conferences do.

People can have degrees in sports management and law, yes.

[ChumpDumper]

No, my answer is that conferences do.Sports conferences, Aggie. Sports conferences play sports.


People can have degrees in sports management and law, yes.And people can pretend to have degrees in both, correct?

[Sisk]

Sports conferences, Aggie. Sports conferences play sports.

Sorry, I forgot that I'm talking to a roadrunner and have to spell things out for you. Are you happy that your "hero" fan got his charges dropped?

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry, I forgot that I'm talking to a roadrunner and have to spell things out for you.Aggie doesn't know I was spelling it out for him.
Are you happy that your "hero" fan got his charges dropped?You are lying about my use of that term you quoted.

[Sisk]

You are lying about my use of that term you quoted.

Sue me.

[ChumpDumper]

Sue me.Why?

Are you moving to another message board?

[Sisk]

Why?

Are you moving to another message board?

Yes, and you're not invited.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes, and you're not invited.But you're still here.

What's the holdup?

[Sisk]

But you're still here.

What's the holdup?

So you're agreeing to not sue?

[ChumpDumper]

So you're agreeing to not sue?Is that keeping you here?

[Sisk]

Is that keeping you here?

Maybe

[ChumpDumper]

MaybeWhat is the incentive for waiving my right to sue?

[Sisk]

What is the incentive for waiving my right to sue?

Nothing, really.

[Blake]

Why?

Are you moving to another message board?

:lmao

[DesignatedT]

A&M will still end up east, this is just pushing back what we though was already over. The ball now ends up in OUs court. If they leave then everyone will follow and Baylor will be suing everyone I guess. If they stay, the conference looks for an A&M replacement and solidifies the league to where Baylor would drop all litigation threats.

What you gunna do OU?

[pkbpkb81]

A&M will still end up east, this is just pushing back what we though was already over. The ball now ends up in OUs court. If they leave then everyone will follow and Baylor will be suing everyone I guess. If they stay, the conference looks for an A&M replacement and solidifies the league to where Baylor would drop all litigation threats.

What you gunna do OU?

OU is going to leave maybe some time next week

[DesignatedT]

Loftin said he believes Beebe’s turnaround puts the future of the 15-year-old conference in more jeopardy than A&M’s leaving.

“By keeping us in in this limbo, they really are inhibited from bringing in other members to take our place,” Loftin said. “So they’re creating more instability by taking this particular direction. We were trying to clean this up for ourselves very quickly … so they could get about their business of replacing us in a prompt way and go forward and hopefully become a better conference. How can that happen right now when they’re insisting that we simply stay in this holding pattern indefinitely while they try to figure out what’s wrong?”

[leemajors]

what was Beebe's turnaround? It seemed like he just didn't consult teams in the conference before putting out his letter last week?

[Kermit]

what was Beebe's turnaround? It seemed like he just didn't consult teams in the conference before putting out his letter last week?

That and the SEC's weird stipulation to have every school sign waivers.

[coyotes_geek]

Seems like as good a thread as any to drop this in. :lol

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6181/6124844930_92021e6c09_o.gif

[DesignatedT]

OU and Oklahoma State are going to give the big12 and Texas an option. Stabilize the conference and go to equal revenue sharing throughout all its members or were going west. No more Texas is the best and the rest is next. It's obvious that without equal revenue sharing the same problem is going to constantly arise. Oklahoma acknowledges this and rather have long term conference stability at this point.

[leemajors]

OU and Oklahoma State are going to give the big12 and Texas an option. Stabilize the conference and go to equal revenue sharing throughout all its members or were going west. No more Texas is the best and the rest is next. It's obvious that without equal revenue sharing the same problem is going to constantly arise. Oklahoma acknowledges this and rather have long term conference stability at this point.

OU doesn't have their panties in a wad about revenue.

[DesignatedT]

OU doesn't have their panties in a wad about revenue.

Not necessarily when it comes to $ amounts but they do have a problem with how things have been run recently. They are just as skeptical of Texas than Nebraska and A&M were at this point, they just haven't been as vocal about it. They are going to want to make sure that if they stay in the big12 that it has longterm stability in the future and they aren't going to go through this every summer. By doing that you make everyone equal and quit letting Texas get/do all they want. If Texas abides and plays nice they will stay, if not then they will head west. If they weren't worried about revenue/stability/texas then they would already say were staying.

Equal revenue sharing to some extent goes hand in hand with conference stability. Look at PAC, B1G and SEC

[coyotes_geek]

OU and Oklahoma State are going to give the big12 and Texas an option. Stabilize the conference and go to equal revenue sharing throughout all its members or were going west. No more Texas is the best and the rest is next. It's obvious that without equal revenue sharing the same problem is going to constantly arise. Oklahoma acknowledges this and rather have long term conference stability at this point.

I'm beginning to think as far as OU is concerned it's beyond that now. Yeah Baylor is trying to gum up A&M's deal, but this is as much about OU as it is about A&M. OU certainly doesn't want Baylor getting in the way of any of their future plans. So are they better off trying to leave now as part of a mass exodus that just kills the conference entirely? Or do they risk sticking around only to find that Baylor just wants there to be a big 12 and doesn't really give a shit whether A&M is or isn't a part of it thus letting A&M off the hook and making it more complicated for OU to leave later?

The Big East has started to reach out to big 12 teams. OU easily could be looking at this as their best opportunity to move when as many as 8 of the 10 schools could find themselves with a home in a BCS conference on short notice. A&M's got their new home picked out. OU can pick one for them and OKState. Texas obviously has options. Tech ends up okay unless Texas goes independent, but OU doesn't care about Tech. If the Big East is willing to take the Kansii and Mizzou (if Mizzou can't get a B10 or SEC invite) then you're looking at 7 or 8 teams having no trouble finding a new BCS home. What's Baylor going to do? Sue 3 conferences at the same time?

[DMX7]

Aggie fans and Baylor fans are going to war on each other's wikipedia pages. I think they've finally been locked. Some of the interesting edits included Baylor being a proud member of the Southland Conference and Texas A&M overflowing its jizz jar.

[Blake]

"By keeping us in in this limbo, they really are inhibited from bringing in other members to take our place,” Loftin said.

:lol why? would A&M still hold a vote and just flip the 'fuck no' switch on every candidate?

[Blake]

Kansii

lol


What's Baylor going to do? Sue 3 conferences at the same time?

could be that if college football does go to 4-5 superconferences getting preferential BCS bowl/championship game treatment that the remaining 25-40+ FBS schools get together and file some kind of huge lawsuit.

[DMX7]

Why doesn't the SEC just admit them without conditions? Wouldn't that be keen?

[Blake]

Why doesn't the SEC just admit them without conditions? Wouldn't that be keen?


:cry Baylor is the one keeping us from going. Fucking un-American. :cry