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Nbadan
09-05-2011, 03:19 AM
I suppose it was only a matter of time before intellectual property rights trumped individual liberty rights, but not that we are here it's rather absurd..

...by the way, I always thought it would be the music industry leading this war....I was wrong...


San Francisco (CNN) -- Police officials said they helped Apple investigators, who searched a man's home here recently.

They were reportedly looking for a prototype of the next iPhone that an Apple employee left in a bar in San Francisco's Mission neighborhood, according to CNET. Apple had contacted the police claiming the prototype is invaluable, the report says.

Four San Francisco Police officers escorted Apple investigators to a home in the city's Bernal Heights neighborhood, the statement said. The two Apple employees searched the home while the officers waited outside, police said. They did not find the item there and declined to file a police report, according to the statement.

An Apple spokesman declined to comment.

A city police official declined to comment to CNN and referred reporters to the news release. Earlier this week, officials said they had no record of an investigation.

In the statement sent to CNN and other news media late Friday, police did not describe what "lost item" Apple was looking for. However, the file name of that news release is "iphone5.doc," as Reuters pointed out.

Lt. Troy Dangerfield gave an interview to SF Weekly Friday afternoon confirming the police's involvement with Apple in the investigation.

SF Weekly also interviewed a man who told the publication that he consented to having his home searched for a phone by six officers last month. No one in the group identified himself as being an Apple employee, the man told SF Weekly. He reportedly said that he assumed they were all police officials and would not have permitted entry if he knew the searchers were from Apple.

Apple's team searched the home, car and computer files, while police waited outside, the reports say. The investigators reportedly told the man that they had traced the phone's GPS signal to his house. When asked, he said he had been at the same bar where the phone was reportedly lost but that he didn't have it, the report says.


One of the investigators, who identified himself as Tony, gave the man living in the house a phone number and told him to call with any information about the lost phone, the report says. When the SF Weekly reporter called, a man named Anthony Colon, who said he was an Apple employee, answered, the report says.

Colon's LinkedIn profile, which he eventually removed, said he is a senior investigator for Apple and a former San Jose police sergeant.

The man, who reportedly said he's a U.S. citizen who lives with relatives, told SF Weekly that the people searching his home questioned his family's immigration status.

The man could not be reached by CNN for comment.

CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/mobile/09/02/iphone.5.prototype/index.html?hpt=hp_t2)

scott
09-05-2011, 09:41 AM
Article doesn't mention if they obtained a warrant? If not, time for this guy to get paid off handsomely in Apple stock!

I wonder if any of our legal gurus can weigh in - is there any known law against possessing an item you found that you know is a prototype? Is anyone under any obligation to turn it in? If it is against any law, then I would think a GPS signal would warrant probably cause thus negating the need for a warrant.

I'm not touching the issue of why Apple is allowed to conduct the search while police wait outside, since I think we'd all be in agreement about how wrong that is.

ChuckD
09-05-2011, 10:03 AM
The latest rumors were that there were NO police, only a retired Sgt. who now works Apple security.

Apple just needs to hire less dumb people. Two phones lost in consecutive test versions?

boutons_deux
09-05-2011, 12:08 PM
Did SFPD reveal that lost device is iPhone 5?

San Francisco police confirmed yesterday that they "assisted" Apple internal security in a recent search of a home that was aimed at finding an unreleased iPhone owned by the company and lost in a San Francisco bar. On Wednesday, CNET was the first to report the search for the errant phone.

According to the SFPD's Dangerfield, officers never entered the home and it was Apple's employees who went through Calderon's belongings--a search that included an examination of his computer--in search of the phone. Calderon told SF Weekly that he would not have submitted to the search if he knew that the people doing it were not policemen.

Calderon said he was led to believe the six people who arrived at his home were all policemen. He claimed he was never told that two of the people were Apple employees.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20101364-37/did-sfpd-reveal-that-lost-device-is-iphone-5/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

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Sounds like there wasn't a warrant (which is why the police stayed outside), and why were SFPD acting as bodyguards for Apple's private dicks? If Calderon sues, it sounds like a "they (dicks) said/he (Calderon) said" credibility trial.

Blake
09-05-2011, 01:02 PM
So calderon submitted to the search?

boutons_deux
09-05-2011, 01:13 PM
Yes, he said he was told they were police (and he probably saw SFPD police+cars outside), assumed/was told they were all police, so he agreed to the search.

they said vs he said

Blake
09-05-2011, 01:25 PM
Yes, he said he was told they were police (and he probably saw SFPD police+cars outside), assumed/was told they were all police, so he agreed to the search.

they said vs he said

What would sfpd gain from agreeing to play like the apple guys are cops?

Based on the limited info given here, my guess is he goes after apple and they quickly settle out of court.

boutons_deux
09-05-2011, 04:13 PM
From what we heard about PIs and London police, I wouldn't be surprised if PIs, esp ex-cops as PIs, have a lot of questionable to illegal relationships with their former police buddies.

Nbadan
09-05-2011, 07:06 PM
I wonder if any of our legal gurus can weigh in - is there any known law against possessing an item you found that you know is a prototype? Is anyone under any obligation to turn it in? If it is against any law, then I would think a GPS signal would warrant probably cause thus negating the need for a warrant.

Unless these guys were up to date on the latest IPhone its very likely they didn't know it was a prototype, and should that matter? Can you imagine being able to get a search warrant on someones home because they found your Iphone and didn't know who to turn it into but you tracked it down using GPS? That is scary shit....

Wild Cobra
09-05-2011, 10:43 PM
Unless these guys were up to date on the latest IPhone its very likely they didn't know it was a prototype, and should that matter? Can you imagine being able to get a search warrant on someones home because they found your Iphone and didn't know who to turn it into but you tracked it down using GPS? That is scary shit....
Do you think nobody tried calling the number?

ducks
09-06-2011, 12:52 AM
From what we heard about PIs and London police, I wouldn't be surprised if PIs, esp ex-cops as PIs, have a lot of questionable to illegal relationships with their former police buddies.

would not be suprised boutons is related to the guy in the whitehouse

hater
09-06-2011, 09:25 AM
fuck apple

I would have shot that Apple investigator if he tried to come in my home

boutons_deux
09-06-2011, 09:31 AM
Even if you were convinced, with seeing the 6 uniformed, credibility-conferring police, that the non-uniformed invaders were also policemen?

faux Internet Macho Man.

hater
09-06-2011, 09:35 AM
what the fuck are you talking about. Obviously they did not have a warrant, thus not a right to come in the house.

They either forced themselves in or the owner let them in due to being intimidated.

boutons_deux
09-06-2011, 09:49 AM
"intimidated"

6 uniformed policemen didn't have to intimidate, just provide credibility that the non-uniformed guys wanting to get in were legit.

hater
09-06-2011, 09:50 AM
what the fuck does that even mean. only a judge can decide who is legit to perform a home search or not.

hater
09-06-2011, 10:32 AM
"intimidated"

6 uniformed policemen didn't have to intimidate, just provide credibility that the non-uniformed guys wanting to get in were legit.

LOL I was right:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Updated-SF-Police-Now-Say-paidcontent-360255197.html?x=0&.v=1

"However, SF Weekly, a San Francisco publication, confirmed Thursday that the San Francisco Police Department had no record of its officers or detectives participating in such a visit. It then tracked down one of the people who lived at the house, Sergio Calderon, who said that the people who came to his house said they were police officers.

A phone number left with Calderon by one of the investigators belonged to Anthony Colon, who told SF Weekly he was an Apple employee in a phone conversation but declined to comment further. A LinkedIn (NYSE:LNKD - News) profile for Colon identifying himself as a former San Jose police officer and current “senior investigator” at Apple has been deleted.

Apple employed private investigators in its search for an iPhone 4 that went missing last year, but was able to convince the Rapid Enforcement Allied Computer Team (REACT), a partnership of federal and California authorities, to do the actual searches of people linked to the investigation. Posing as police officers (and reportedly using the residents’ immigration status as a threat) in order to find a lost product would be a much bolder (and stupider) way of trying to locate a lost product.

Apple has not commented on the report. A representative for the San Francisco Police Department said it would likely investigate the circumstances of the report after talking to Calderon.

The iPhone 5 is expected to be formally unveiled sometime over the next several weeks.

Updated 4:09 p.m. - The San Francisco Police Department has retracted its earlier claim that none of its officers were involved in the investigation, acknowledging that “three or four” plainclothes officers accompanied two Apple security investigators on the visit to Calderon’s home, according to a new story from SF Weekly. The officers did not enter Calderon’s house, however: the search was conducted by Apple employees, who did not identify themselves as police officers according to an updated statement from Calderon.

Apparently no report was ever filed, which raises all sorts of new questions about the police department’s cooperation with Apple’s investigation. This story is likely not over."


:lol cops were not even uniformed and probably off the clock. They tried to cover it up and now it blew up in their faces.

:lol Apple