GOP Debate tonight, 09/07/11

[JoeChalupa]

Who else will be watching? I will be checking it out to see how quickly it becomes a Romney vs Perry debate and if Santorum complains about equal time like he did the last time.
Will Romney go on the attack?
Will "I won't debate Perry" falter due to his lack of debate experience?
Will Perry explain his "Fed Up" book quotes?
Will Paul come out a winner?
Will anyone even notice Bachman on stage?

It should be interesting.

[Spurminator]

I'll be watching baseball, where the outcome is undecided.

[JoeChalupa]

I'll be watching baseball, where the outcome is undecided.

So you are saying there is a clear winner already?

[MannyIsGod]

I'd rather have Mouse piss in my eyes.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

So are the dems putting all their eggs in one basket?
Will more of the same part IV happen?
Will Barack develop another side to his mouth?
Will saying "jobs" over and over create more jobs"?
Will gitmo close or is that all just a facade?
Will more headwinds materialize?

Film at 11

[JoeChalupa]

I watch to see what the GOP candidates are up to. Only time will tell who will come out as the front runner. Bachman will be out soon and Palin will NEVER enter the race and Paul has no chance either.

[JoeChalupa]

I'd rather have Mouse piss in my eyes.

Blinded by piss is no way to learn about the candidates, one of whom just may be our next POTUS.

[MannyIsGod]

Its about as effective as these debates.

[ElNono]

Blinded by piss is no way to learn about the candidates, one of whom just may be our next POTUS.

Does it matter? Barry run on nothing of what he ended up pulling out of his hat.

[JoeChalupa]

Does it matter? Barry run on nothing of what he ended up pulling out of his hat.

So then you all won't be voting? But I hear ya.

[baseline bum]

I wish just one of them would start blabbing about shooting illegals at the border, so that all of them would then have to vow to do it also in order to not look less crazy to keep from losing the teabagger bloc.

[ElNono]

So then you all won't be voting? But I hear ya.

Right now I can't vote anyways :lol

That might change by 2012 though.

[JoeChalupa]

Its about as effective as these debates.

So I take it you don't watch any debates at all? I don't blame you I'm just a political junkie.

[ElNono]

I've watched some debates when it's one party vs the other. Too early right now.

[hater]

are you not entertained????

[boutons_deux]

My guess is that Bachmann, although her ratings have probably peaked, as her absconding staff already saw, will out-rhetoric, maybe out-yell, banal, stupid Jimmy Ricky.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I'm a tea pottier..no, I'm a bigger tea pottier... well I am the biggest tea pottier of them all..

I hate oabama

I want my country back
cutting taxes is always the asnwer
I'm afraid of full blown socialism..

[boutons_deux]

I pledge NEVER to:

raise taxes

approve same-sex marriage

approve/permit abortion (and why not contraception?)

implement Obamacare

doubt the Bible is literally true

and

I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord God Savior

[baseline bum]

Right now I can't vote anyways :lol


So you're a felon? :nope

[ElNono]

So you're a felon? :nope

Why? :lol

I'm in the process of becoming a citizen as we speak.

[JoeChalupa]

Well I hope Joe Scarborough is right and that Perry has no chance of winning the general election.

[clambake]

Why? :lol

I'm in the process of becoming a citizen as we speak.

does that mean you're floating in the rio grande?

[JoeChalupa]

Why? :lol

I'm in the process of becoming a citizen as we speak.

:tu

[ElNono]

does that mean you're floating in the rio grande?

Jersey Shore, baby! :lol

[boutons_deux]

Well I hope Joe Scarborough is right and that Perry has no chance of winning the general election.

As Rick Perry Takes Center Stage At GOP Debate, Questions About Electability Grow Louder

SIMI VALLEY, Calif. -- When Rick Perry takes the stage Wednesday night for his first debate as a presidential candidate, many Republicans will be wondering, "Who is this guy, really?"

Perry has shot to the head of the of the Republican primary field in national polls. But conversations with Republican lawmakers and voters this week have shown that many are not convinced the Texas governor has what it takes to be the party's nominee, or beat President Obama in the general election.

"I have my doubts that Perry can beat Obama in a head-to-head," said one influential Republican donor and activist in the Northeast, who said Perry has yet to come in for his "media proctology exam."

In South Carolina earlier this week, influential Republicans were also unimpressed by Perry's lead in the national polls.

"It's not going to stay," said Glenn McCall, a national committee member from South Carolina. "It's too early."

"The folks I talk to, they're concerned" about Perry's electability,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/07/rick-perry-gop-debate-electability_n_952023.html

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TX faux macho posturing and twanging, regressive, anti-scientific policies don't play well enough in the other 49 states.

I think the debate will show Jimmy Ricky can't think on his feet, and he will be reduced to mouthing gratuitous talking points as inappropriate ripostes and mouthing apple-pie/motherhood shit like "I think America is greatest country on earth".

That leaves only Willard, stupid himself, whose jobs plan cuts $13T in taxes on UCA and the wealthy. Willard running as the beyond-the-beltway "outsider" :lol GMAFB

[hater]

if they are concerned about Perry what do they say about Bachman :lmao

GOP is fucked. the best they can do is Mitt Romney and he is just the GOP version of John Kerry. a damn stiff that looks like Frankenstein

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/7/28/a02ab90a-7f28-4d8b-9351-6bc5878f02bc.jpg

[cheguevara]

it'd be fun to watch this debate drunk. too bad Che has quit drinkin cept for Fridays.

[MannyIsGod]

So I take it you don't watch any debates at all? I don't blame you I'm just a political junkie.

I probably have watched my last presidential debate until they're actually debates again.

[CosmicCowboy]

I probably have watched my last presidential debate until they're actually debates again.

Yeah, the debates in '08 were ridiculous. They threw Obama nothing but slow pitch cotton balls.

Actually that ames debate was pretty interesting. Some pretty tough questions were asked.

[clambake]

what did they throw mccain?

[JoeChalupa]

I probably have watched my last presidential debate until they're actually debates again.

Once it gets down to Obama vs Perry? I hear ya.

[JoeChalupa]

Yeah, the debates in '08 were ridiculous. They threw Obama nothing but slow pitch cotton balls.

Actually that ames debate was pretty interesting. Some pretty tough questions were asked.

So McCain isn't a slow pitch player? He did walk around quite a bit though. Blame Sarah Palin for McCain's loss.

[MannyIsGod]

Once it gets down to Obama vs Perry? I hear ya.

No, once its not a staged infomercial for the candidates involved and once it is actually worthy of being called a debate.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah, the debates in '08 were ridiculous. They threw Obama nothing but slow pitch cotton balls.

Actually that ames debate was pretty interesting. Some pretty tough questions were asked.

Considering both candidates vet the questions I think its safe to assume there's nothing but softballs for both candidates involved.

[ALVAREZ6]

Does anyone know what times it will run? I'd like to be able to tune in for a few laughs and entertainment but I'll be relatively busy this evening.

[JoeChalupa]

Bobby Kennedy's final advice to Jack before Nixon debate: "kick him in the balls." Who'll do it tonight? Or does anyone have the balls to go after Perry?

[JoeChalupa]

No, once its not a staged infomercial for the candidates involved and once it is actually worthy of being called a debate.

Well, considering this one is on MSNBC and not FoxNews I'm hoping it will bring out some of their true feelings. Newt tore up Wallace on the last debate.

[DarrinS]

Well, considering this one is on MSNBC and not FoxNews I'm hoping it will bring out some of their true feelings. Newt tore up Wallace on the last debate.


Are you sure it's not on NBC?

[Drachen]

Are you sure it's not on NBC?

MSNBC and CNBC

[ChumpDumper]

WTF is Perry even doing at this debate?

He gains nothing by being in it and he had the perfect reason to not go. Now he's opened himself up to charges that he values his political ambition over fire victims.

Unless he actively and truly weeps on stage about the fires, this probably won't go well for him.

[boutons_deux]

Bachmann will kick Jimmy Ricky in the balls. She's got nothing to lose, Jimmy Ricky has everything to lose. She speaks crazy crap, but she's eloquent and a lawyer. Jimmy Ricky's a tongue-tied bubba.

[ChumpDumper]

Ron Paul has already started kicking Perry in the balls. At least he's trying to. Played the Gore card and the cheerleader card in one ad.

[Blake]

WTF is Perry even doing at this debate?

He gains nothing by being in it and he had the perfect reason to not go. Now he's opened himself up to charges that he values his political ambition over fire victims.

Unless he actively and truly weeps on stage about the fires, this probably won't go well for him.

just doing what another former Republican Texas governor has been known to do in a time of crisis.

[JoeChalupa]

WTF is Perry even doing at this debate?

He gains nothing by being in it and he had the perfect reason to not go. Now he's opened himself up to charges that he values his political ambition over fire victims.

Unless he actively and truly weeps on stage about the fires, this probably won't go well for him.

He needs to prove he can stomp out the fires with one foot and debate at the same time. And as a Texan he won't run scared.

[JoeChalupa]

I doubt we'll ever see Perry act like the Weeper of the House.

[Blake]

I doubt we'll ever see Perry act like the Weeper of the House.

neh, Rick Perry cries out to God in a different way

[ChumpDumper]

I guess if he forces everyone there to pray with him about the fires, he can make it a win.

[2Blonde]

(PARAPHRASE) Q.Gov Perry, why do think you can lead this nation when TX is last in HS graduation?
(PARAPHRASE) A.Well we know how to run a state... we can create jobs better than Obama.
(MY THOUGHT) hmmm... so is he's bragging that we might be stupid but we hold jobs.

[2Blonde]

So far Romney is slapping Perry down. lol

[boutons_deux]

"we can create jobs better than Obama."

Jimmy Ricky has greatly increased the number TX govt employees, and most the of the jobs in the TX miracle are very low paying.

[2Blonde]

"we can create jobs better than Obama."

Jimmy Ricky has greatly increased the number TX govt employees, and most the of the job in the TX miracle are very low paying.

:tu

[Blake]

fyi

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/07/live-blog-perry-makes-his-debate-debut/

[2Blonde]

Thanks, Blake

[JoeChalupa]

Romney is doing okay and Perry skipped around the issue of uninsured in Texas. Bachman is just "Obamacare" over and over again. She'll be the next one to drop out.

[Blake]

fyi

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/07/live-blog-perry-makes-his-debate-debut/

8:25 P.M. |Prepared for the attacks.That didn't take long.

Thanks to NBC's Brian Williams, it took only moments for Mitt Romney and Rick Perry to clash over their job creation records while serving as governors.

The task before both men: find a memorable way to get their campaign message across. And boy were they prepared. Within moments, the retorts were flying.

Mr. Romney noted that Texas has economic advantages like no income tax and a right-to-work law. "Governor Perry doesn't believe that he created those things," Mr. Romney said. "If he did, it would be like Al Gore saying he created the Internet."

Mr. Perry quickly shot back: "Michael Dukakis created created jobs three times faster than you did," he said.

The lines are memorable, and could help both men underline their arguments. Mr. Romney wants to put the focus on his experience in the private sector. Mr. Perry wants to undercut Mr. Romney's experience as a Massachusetts governor.

Mr. Williams noted: "Nice to see everyone came prepared for tonight's conversation."

--Michael D. Shear

[hitmanyr2k]

Romney has come out the best so far and kissing Perry's ass to end things will endear him to the Tea Party crowd. He's really come through unfazed and gaffe free. Perry has been dancing around stuff with rhetoric and has constantly had a "gotta take a shit" smile throughout as his record has been discussed. Unfortunately for Paul he's come out looking like the crazy uncle on the stage.

[Fabbs]

Did Bachman promise 2 bucks a gallon or just say she'd like to get it to that price?

Otherwise these asstards are an oil pig companies dream come true.
All the babble about job creation from drilling everywhere including your grandmas ass. Yet not a peep about the spill history.
Classic.

[Kori Ellis]

Romney has come out the best so far and kissing Perry's ass to end things will endear him to the Tea Party crowd. He's really come through unfazed and gaffe free. Perry has been dancing around stuff with rhetoric and has constantly had a "gotta take a shit" smile throughout as his record has been discussed. Unfortunately for Paul he's come out looking like the crazy uncle on the stage.

:lol @ crazy uncle

It's too bad he comes off so nuts. Most of the time, he has a good message under there.

I think Cain has been strong in this debate because he always has specifics on a plan to fix things rather just fluff. Perry is swarmy (not unusual) while Romney has been good.

And :td to Bachmann - I can't stand her..

[fraga]

I dont think crazy Bachmann has answered one single question shes been asked...

[2Blonde]

I love the crazy uncle thing. I told my husband he came across as the "old, crochety guy", but I like crazy uncle better.
Also, I loved it when Icky Ricky called Ebay "the Ebay" hahaha

[hater]

IMO the token black guy and the guy all the way on the right have the best takes. Too bad nobody knows who they are.

Paul also means well, but he does look like an old crazy uncle.

:lmao Perry, Bachman and Gingrich :lmao

also too bad Romney, who seems to be the leader there, looks like GOP version of Kerry, Frankenstein. Unfortunately the US president has to walk in public :lol

GOP = fucked

[Kori Ellis]

I love the crazy uncle thing. I told my husband he came across as the "old, crochety guy", but I like crazy uncle better.
Also, I loved it when Icky Ricky called Ebay "the Ebay" hahaha

Rick also tried to be cool and give someone "props" but pronounced it "propes." :lol

[Kori Ellis]

IMO the token black guy and the guy all the way on the right have the best takes. Too bad nobody knows who they are.

Paul also means well, but he does look like an old crazy uncle.

:lmao Perry, Bachman and Gingrich :lmao

also too bad Romney, who seems to be the leader there, looks like GOP version of Kerry, Frankenstein. Unfortunately the US president has to walk in public :lol

:lol I was just commenting that Romney needs to stop dyeing the top of his hair so dark. He needs a good stylist to make it look more natural.

Oh, and the "token black guy" is Cain. Big proponent of flat tax/elimination of IRS.

[djohn2oo8]

:lmao "Propes"

[DarrinS]

Did Manny get a golden shower from Mouse?

[hitmanyr2k]

:lol @ crazy uncle

It's too bad he comes off so nuts. Most of the time, he has a good message under there.

I think Cain has been strong in this debate because he always has specifics on a plan to fix things rather just fluff. Perry is swarmy (not unusual) while Romney has been good.

And :td to Bachmann - I can't stand her..

It's unfortunate because I like Paul. I'm not sure if he had nerves or what but I've seen him much better spoken and more coherent than tonight. He was just all over the place and stammering like a MF. He really did remind me of one of my drunk relatives trying to tell a story.

Cain definitely had a strong showing tonight and I also noticed he tried giving specifics rather than rhetoric.

[fraga]

Bachmann would maybe start to answer a question...but then quickly retreat to bashing Obama and done...she done fucked herself...and has faded into the background now...

[mingus]

Romney looked good. I liked what I heard from him. I like Cain and Huntsman as well. Too bad they didn't get asked more questions. Both those guys are probably better suited to being vice presidents. I can see Romney eventually going with Cain as VP because of the Tea Party and potential black vote.

[2Blonde]

All in all, it was the funniest debate I've ever watched. I should have made popcorn. Oh well, live & learn. :)

[SnakeBoy]

Romney was the winner tonight. Cain did well also but it won't help in much.

Perry didn't do great but didn't tank either. He demonstrated his political skill by giving decent answers while completely avoiding the question. Decent showing for his first debate, he will improve over the course of the next 8000 scheduled primary debates.

Paul was off his meds tonight.

[Blake]

HARRIS: Governor Perry -- Governor Perry, Governor Huntsman were not specific about names, but the two of you do have a difference of opinion about climate change. Just recently in New Hampshire, you said that weekly and even daily scientists are coming forward to question the idea that human activity is behind climate change. Which scientists have you found most credible on this subject?

PERRY: Well, I do agree that there is -- the science is -- is not settled on this. The idea that we would put Americans' economy at -- at-- at jeopardy based on scientific theory that's not settled yet, to me, is just -- is nonsense. I mean, it -- I mean -- and I tell somebody, I said, just because you have a group of scientists that have stood up and said here is the fact, Galileo got outvoted for a spell.

But the fact is, to put America's economic future in jeopardy, asking us to cut back in areas that would have monstrous economic impact on this country is not good economics and I will suggest to you is not necessarily good science. Find out what the science truly is before you start putting the American economy in jeopardy.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/rick-perry-remarks-social-security-stand-latest-debate-030338826.html

what a shitbag

[boutons_deux]

538 By NATE SILVER

Electability a Primary Liability for Perry

Mr. Perry led the Republican field on each of the measures. But his lead was actually larger on the electability question: 30 percent of Republican voters said they thought he had the best chance of defeating Mr. Obama, versus 20 percent for Mr. Romney. By contrast, Mr. Perry held a smaller, 6-point lead over Mr. Romney on the question of his issue positioning.

This perception stands in contrast to the views of Republican elites, about 70 percent of whom think that Mr. Romney is the more electable nominee, according to a survey conducted by the National Journal.

Mr. Perry’s problems on Wednesday night, however, were of his own making: he was strong when engaging the other candidates, but weak on handling questions from the moderators. Unless he develops a stronger defense of his positions on Social Security, he will make Mr. Romney’s job much easier.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/08/electability-a-primary-liability-for-perry/?scp=1&sq=electabilty&st=cse

Perry is the VRWC's dream guy: fuck the lower 95%, fuck the environment, destroy government at all levels, continue to protect/enrich UCA and wealthy. Romney isn't much different, just less aggressive.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I dont think crazy Bachmann has answered one single question shes been asked...

:lol she didn't.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Well, it was mighty white of them to get the beaner to ask the immigration question.
Nice touch :golfclap

[boutons_deux]

More trashing of Jimmy Ricky's bogus TX miracle:

Perry Blamed Feds For Texas’ High Uninsurance Rate, Here Are The Real Reasons 26 Percent Don’t Have Coverage

ky on Sep 8, 2011 at 9:04 am

Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX) blamed the federal government for his state’s high uninsurance rate during last night’s presidential debate at the Ronald Reagan library, arguing that the Department of Health and Human Services has refused to grant Medicaid flexibility to the state:

HARRIS: Governor, quick follow-up. Why are so many people in Texas uninsured?

PERRY: Well, bottom line is that we would not have that many people uninsured in the state of Texas if you didn’t have the federal government. We’ve had requests in for years at the Health and Human Services agencies to have that type of flexibility where we could have menus, where we could have co-pays, and the federal government refuses to give us that flexibility.

As much as Perry would like to shift the blame for his state’s high uninsurance rate —

in fact, the number of uninsured has increased by approximately 2 million during his 11-year tenure —

26 percent of Texans don’t have access to health care coverage for four simple reasons:

1) many Texas jobs are low wage and don’t offer insurance,

2) Texas has some of the most restrictive Medicaid eligibility rules in the country,

3) insurance rates are largely unregulated (and are higher than the national average)

and

4) the state has a large immigrant population that often can’t enroll because of legal concerns or other impediments.

Perry himself hasn’t focused on the health care access problem during his governorship, despite advocating for significant reductions in the Medicaid program — including an 8 percent cut in reimbursement rates to hospitals in the latest state budget.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/09/08/314145/rick-perry-tries-to-blame-feds-for-texas-high-uninsurance-rate-here-are-the-real-reasons/

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Jimmy Ricky's whole campaign schtick is rotten with distortions, coverups, lies.

[JoeChalupa]

Well, it was mighty white of them to get the beaner to ask the immigration question.
Nice touch :golfclap

Perhaps they should have had one of Univision's hotties ask the questions? At least the others were white to satisfy you.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Univision's hotties aren't beaners?

[JoeChalupa]

Univision's hotties aren't beaners?


Meh, I don't use that term all I know is that they are hot!

[Winehole23]

http://tv.univision.com/sabado-gigante/fotos

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Meh, I don't use that term all I know is that they are hot!
smh

[JoeChalupa]

Hot they are.

[boutons_deux]

blood-thirsty Repugs cheered Jimmy Ricky on the topic of TX executions.

Colbert: "Mentioning Executions to Republicans Is Like Saying 'Pot' to the Audience of the Daily Show"

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/663208/colbert%3A_%22mentioning_executions_to_republicans _is_like_saying_%27pot%27_to_the_audience_of_the_d aily_show%22/

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Repugs sociopaths? never! :lol