Best Undergrad Degrees by Salary

[DMC]

http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp




Best Undergrad College Degrees By Salary - Full List
Starting Median Pay Mid-Career Median Pay
Petroleum Engineering $97,900 $155,000
Chemical Engineering $64,500 $109,000
Electrical Engineering (EE) $61,300 $103,000
Materials Science & Engineering $60,400 $103,000
Aerospace Engineering $60,700 $102,000
Computer Engineering (CE) $61,800 $101,000
Physics $49,800 $101,000
Applied Mathematics $52,600 $98,600
Computer Science (CS) $56,600 $97,900
Nuclear Engineering $65,100 $97,800
Biomedical Engineering (BME) $53,800 $97,800
Economics $47,300 $94,700
Mechanical Engineering (ME) $58,400 $94,500
Statistics $49,000 $93,800
Industrial Engineering (IE) $57,400 $93,100
Civil Engineering (CE) $53,100 $90,200
Mathematics $47,000 $89,900
Environmental Engineering $51,700 $88,600
Management Information Systems (MIS) $51,000 $88,200
Software Engineering $54,900 $87,800
Finance $46,500 $87,300
Government $41,400 $87,300
Construction Management $50,200 $85,200
Supply Chain Management $50,200 $84,700
Biochemistry (BCH) $41,700 $84,700
Industrial Design (ID) $44,400 $84,400
Electrical Engineering Technology (EET) $55,100 $84,300
Food Science $43,300 $83,700
International Business $41,600 $83,700
Civil Engineering Technology (CET) $46,600 $83,300
Geology $45,300 $83,300
Computer Information Systems (CIS) $47,900 $83,100
Mechanical Engineering Technology (MET) $51,600 $81,200
Molecular Biology $40,500 $81,200
Chemistry $42,000 $80,900
Film Production $41,600 $80,700
Political Science (PolySci) $39,900 $80,100
Biotechnology $40,800 $79,900
International Relations $40,500 $79,400
Occupational Health and Safety $46,400 $79,000
American Studies $43,400 $78,600
Information Technology (IT) $48,300 $78,500
Industrial Technology (IT) $48,100 $78,400
Information Systems (IS) $48,300 $78,100
Telecommunications $37,300 $78,100
Urban Planning $41,500 $78,000
Accounting $44,700 $75,700
Philosophy $39,800 $75,600
Zoology $38,000 $75,200
Advertising $37,700 $74,700
Architecture $41,500 $74,400
Marketing & Communications $38,200 $73,500
Literature $39,100 $73,200
Fashion Design $36,300 $72,400
Global & International Studies $37,800 $72,000
Biology $37,900 $71,900
Environmental Science $40,200 $71,200
Linguistics $39,800 $70,700
Business $41,000 $70,500
Microbiology $38,500 $70,100
Nursing $52,700 $69,300
History $37,800 $69,000
Public Administration $40,400 $68,900
Hotel Management $36,100 $68,700
Forestry $41,500 $67,200
Communications $38,000 $66,900
Landscape Architecture $41,900 $66,700
Geography $39,600 $66,700
Journalism $36,100 $66,400
Health Sciences $35,800 $66,200
English $37,100 $65,800
Public Relations (PR) $35,500 $65,700
French $38,400 $65,500
Sports Management $35,400 $65,100
Liberal Arts $37,800 $63,200
Anthropology $35,600 $63,200
Human Resources (HR) $37,900 $62,600
Organizational Management (OM) $42,300 $61,900
Agriculture $38,600 $61,500
Psychology $35,000 $61,300
Medical Technology $45,100 $60,900
Health Care Administration $36,700 $60,900
Sociology $36,100 $60,500
Radio & Television $35,000 $60,000
Hospitality & Tourism $35,900 $59,500
Visual Communication $35,600 $59,000
Criminal Justice $35,300 $58,900
Fine Arts $35,900 $58,600
Spanish $36,400 $58,400
Interior Design $34,300 $58,200
Humanities $34,900 $57,800
Horticulture $39,600 $57,300
Theater $34,700 $57,300
Music $36,800 $57,200
Graphic Design $35,600 $56,500
Fashion Merchandising $36,800 $56,300
Dietetics $41,500 $56,100
Education $36,800 $54,700
Kinesiology $34,200 $54,600
Photography $32,900 $54,500
Nutrition $38,600 $54,400
Interdisciplinary Studies (IS) $36,300 $54,400
Exercise Science $33,100 $54,400
Social Science $36,600 $54,300
Drama $37,800 $54,200
Multimedia and Web Design $40,400 $53,900
Animal Science $33,800 $53,700
Paralegal/Law $35,300 $53,500
Art History $38,300 $53,300
Art $35,300 $52,400
Theology $35,600 $52,000
Public Health (PH) $35,500 $51,700
Athletic Training $34,600 $50,200
Religious Studies $32,900 $49,700
Recreation & Leisure Studies $34,500 $49,100
Special Education $34,300 $47,800
Culinary Arts $29,900 $46,800
Social Work (SW) $32,200 $44,300
Elementary Education $32,400 $44,000
Child and Family Studies $29,600 $40,500





Discuss

[cantthinkofanything]

I don't see Train Engineering. Is it combined with Petroleum Engineering?

[DMC]

I don't see Train Engineering. Is it combined with Petroleum Engineering?

http://www.ble-t.org/info/engineer.asp


Petrol sounds like a golden egg, but those jobs are very volatile.

[cantthinkofanything]

http://www.ble-t.org/info/engineer.asp


Petrol sounds like a golden egg, but those jobs are very volatile.

no doubt. you can plot the industry's mass job cuts with the NYMEX price chart.

[cantthinkofanything]

yay for finance

i thought i thunk you were in accounting

[MannyIsGod]

My 2 UGs are on there. :tu

[4>0rings]

switched a while back finance is so much more interesting and pays better if i only get my bachelors..don't really want to rush into grad school and pay out the ass for more loans. may still double major but as far as accounting at the graduate level fuck that. i'm 22 years old and ready to get paid already.
Don't be one of those fucks that went to school for 2-3 years and want a break to never go back again. Do what you gotta do now, play later.

[MannyIsGod]

Honestly I call bullshit on a lot of that list, though.

[DMC]

Honestly I call bullshit on a lot of that list, though.
I've always felt like the national averages were skewed every year.

One website lists the top 10 shittiest degrees and some of those are listed relatively high on that chart.

I know some of them are fairly accurate. Some parts of the nation just pay out the ass, and some just bend you over.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm sure the national average for some of those is high, but thee's also probably like 2 openings a year. Petro Engineering is consistently at the top of lists when I look, though.

[DMC]

I'm sure the national average for some of those is high, but thee's also probably like 2 openings a year. Petro Engineering is consistently at the top of lists when I look, though.

I think it's one of those jobs where you have to make a name for yourself and be willing to live off the coast of Africa or Alaska for a few years to do it, otherwise you are headcount.

[Wild Cobra]

Wow... To think... Being a Parts Changer pays the same as a Civil Engineer by that chart!

[Wild Cobra]

I don't see Train Engineering. Is it combined with Petroleum Engineering?
I don't see Climatologist, or Meteorologist.

[TE]

I'm glad I was a chemistry major. Just look at bottom half of that list.

You earn what you work your ass off for.

[TDMVPDPOY]

switched a while back finance is so much more interesting and pays better if i only get my bachelors..don't really want to rush into grad school and pay out the ass for more loans. may still double major but as far as accounting at the graduate level fuck that. i'm 22 years old and ready to get paid already.

the only way of gettin money is if you work for the big banks and big firms, other then that pushin papers in the office for low pay is horseshit, might as well stay home go on welfare...

its even fckd up when theres an oversupply of grads, who will do anything for their first job and lower the payscale, hence some ppl work for shit all....

have you heard of cloud accounting?

[MannyIsGod]

Wow... To think... Being a Parts Changer pays the same as a Civil Engineer by that chart!

No. Being a parts changer means at the end of the day you're an idiot and you misread charts.

[cheguevara]

mmm no wonder I make so much dough I mean compared to other shit. I still don't make nearly enough :bang

[tlongII]

I don't see Climatologist, or Meteorologist.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[tlongII]

You have to get a grad degree to make any kind of money.

[ashbeeigh]

Hell yes. 35,000-44,000 tops. Sign me up.

[Das Texan]

I call bullshit on Management Info Systems. Most places want you to work basically call centers before anything else which pays shit.


Unless things have changed in the last 7 years or so. I woulda done backflips for an intro job in Management Info Systems paying 50k or even 40k when I graduated back in 2002.

[JoeChalupa]

Interesting. Not bad.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Double major in finance and accounting with a minor in mathematics. I think I'll do alright. Shoulda just double majored in math and finance since I'm already pretty bored with accounting.

[vy65]

lol "high paying" undergrad degrees

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Question:

Do people actually go into a major solely because of the money they should make or because it's something they want/love to do?

[MannyIsGod]

I don't see Climatologist, or Meteorologist.


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Hmmm, you don't see doctors on there either. I wonder why?

Median annual wages of atmospheric scientists in May 2008 were $81,290. The middle 50 percent earned between $55,140 and $101,340. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $38,990, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $127,100.

The average salary for meteorologists employed by the Federal Government was $93,661 in March 2009.

http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos051.htm#earnings



I'll let you guys figure it out. :toast

[MannyIsGod]

Question:

Do people actually go into a major solely because of the money they should make or because it's something they want/love to do?

I would imagine a lot of people fall into either of those categories. I think more likely fall into wanting to do something they enjoy - not necessarily love though - and make a living while doing it.

[cantthinkofanything]

Hmmm, you don't see doctors on there either. I wonder why?



What fucking doctor do you go to that is only has an undergraduate degree?

[cantthinkofanything]

idk why they pay weather men so much those dumbasses never get it right anyway :D

This summer was probably pretty good to pump up their accuracy.

[MannyIsGod]

What fucking doctor do you go to that is only has an undergraduate degree?

I see the hamster is turning the wheel.

[MannyIsGod]

idk why they pay weather men so much those dumbasses never get it right anyway :D

I bet that those people with half as much in their 401k as a few years ago feel the same about people in finance. :lol

[CuckingFunt]

What fucking doctor do you go to that is only has an undergraduate degree?

(I think that was the point.)

[Viva Las Espuelas]

What fucking doctor do you go to that is only has an undergraduate degree?

I smell something burning.

Oh, and I highly recommend changing your screenname. Highly.

[CuckingFunt]

My undergrad degree is toward the bottom of the list, which is not at all surprising. Have a feeling my grad degree would be down there, too.

[jag]

You can't get jobs with half of those degrees so i'm not sure why those students would be worried about how much the make.

[cantthinkofanything]

I smell something burning.

Oh, and I highly recommend changing your screenname. Highly.

You're right. And Cucking Funt is right.

So you all can make a historical note that on September 13, 2011, canththinkofanything made his first dumbass statement.

[DMC]

Question:

Do people actually go into a major solely because of the money they should make or because it's something they want/love to do?

Let's be pragmatic for a moment: If you have an inheritance that you can use to support your desired lifestyle, then you can do anything you want and your degree is just an emblem in some cases. However if you are working two jobs to pay for school, and the loans are going to bury you financially, you better use some common sense and get an education that's going to keep you financially solvent.

So I don't think it's "solely" either way for most people. You won't be good at something you aren't interested in, but then if you cannot make a living at it, regardless how much you like it, you won't be able to do it anyhow.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

people in finance didn't engineer the economic collapse
They themselves didn't engineer it but they did things to keep the bubble going (which made the collapse worse when it happened) that they profited from. I don't really blame them tho for retarded Americans who don't know what an adjustable rate mortgage was and didn't live within their means, if I was a hedge fund manager from 2005-2007 I woulda done the same thing.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Let's be pragmatic for a moment: If you have an inheritance that you can use to support your desired lifestyle, then you can do anything you want and your degree is just an emblem in some cases. However if you are working two jobs to pay for school, and the loans are going to bury you financially, you better use some common sense and get an education that's going to keep you financially solvent.

So I don't think it's "solely" either way for most people. You won't be good at something you aren't interested in, but then if you cannot make a living at it, regardless how much you like it, you won't be able to do it anyhow.
Don't expect the ":cry:cry:crygo into a career you love and desire regardless of pay:cry:cry:cry" idiots to think logically. The concept that "money doesn't matter or buy happiness" is one of the biggest myths out there.

[PakiDan]

Hell yes. 35,000-44,000 tops. Sign me up.

underachiever.

[Gordon Gekko]

Finance degrees are for chumps. Information is the key.

[baseline bum]

Don't expect the ":cry:cry:crygo into a career you love and desire regardless of pay:cry:cry:cry" idiots to think logically. The concept that "money doesn't matter or buy happiness" is one of the biggest myths out there.

Money is a necessary but not sufficient condition tbh.

[Wild Cobra]

You have to get a grad degree to make any kind of money.
Not true. AA/AS equivalent and good experience can get you far.

[DMC]

Don't expect the ":cry:cry:crygo into a career you love and desire regardless of pay:cry:cry:cry" idiots to think logically. The concept that "money doesn't matter or buy happiness" is one of the biggest myths out there.

Those types generally keep my brother in law in business, he a doc in a rehab clinic.

[4>0rings]

They themselves didn't engineer it but they did things to keep the bubble going (which made the collapse worse when it happened) that they profited from. I don't really blame them tho for retarded Americans who don't know what an adjustable rate mortgage was and didn't live within their means, if I was a hedge fund manager from 2005-2007 I woulda done the same thing.
lol hating american soldiers and supporting the raping of America

Stand up guy I tell ya! Keep holding that nose higher than everyone else.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

lol hating american soldiers and supporting the raping of America

Stand up guy I tell ya! Keep holding that nose higher than everyone else.
Supporting? All I said was that if I were in their shoes from 2005-2007, I would have also done everything I could to profit off the economic collapse.

That's why I support regulation and redistribution of wealth. Greedy kikes such as me wanna make as much money as possible and don't care who we rape and pillage in the process, the only thing that'll stop it is regulation and higher taxes.

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

Don't expect the ":cry:cry:crygo into a career you love and desire regardless of pay:cry:cry:cry" idiots to think logically. The concept that "money doesn't matter or buy happiness" is one of the biggest myths out there.

_RoLdkgjKhs

[JayTheClown]

You have to get a grad degree to make any kind of money.

[tlongII]

Not true. AA/AS equivalent and good experience can get you far.

There are exceptions to every rule, but in general you are much more likely to make >$80K if you have an advanced degree.

[leemajors]

Liberal Arts is a bit off, 37k-62k? lol.

[JayTheClown]

I call BS on the philosophy and political science degrees

[Axe Murderer]

What fucking doctor do you go to that is only has an undergraduate degree?

nothing gets by you

[Axe Murderer]

Manny, where did you go to get your atmo science degree? just curious

tbh we don't have that degree here at Tech. I'm majoring in geophysics and minoring in atmo

[CuckingFunt]

Don't expect the ":cry:cry:crygo into a career you love and desire regardless of pay:cry:cry:cry" idiots to think logically. The concept that "money doesn't matter or buy happiness" is one of the biggest myths out there.

Pursuing a career you genuinely care about isn't necessarily motivated by a rainbows-and-lollipops belief in the relative unimportance in financial stability.

For me it was a decision based on the fact that I'd much rather try for the career I want and end up supporting myself as a secretary, than say fuck it and invest a lot of time, money, and energy pursuing something that doesn't move me. It's certainly not because I have a romantic notion that being broke leads to an "authentic" life experience.

[JoeChalupa]

I don't have a degree but I am CPP certified and make a decent living. I've been reading and seeing reports about "Is a degree wortht it?" lately compared to a trade school. More in the line of debt vs income I believe.

[DMC]

Pursuing a career you genuinely care about isn't necessarily motivated by a rainbows-and-lollipops belief in the relative unimportance in financial stability.

For me it was a decision based on the fact that I'd much rather try for the career I want and end up supporting myself as a secretary, than say fuck it and invest a lot of time, money, and energy pursuing something that doesn't move me. It's certainly not because I have a romantic notion that being broke leads to an "authentic" life experience.
As a male, it's hard to fathom having the mindset that it's ok to be poor as long as I am doing something I like. I like doing things that aren't cheap to do, or I especially like having that option. Options are great things. Being broke means no options, so unless you love your job so much you think about it on your days off, men better marry a woman who also works if they want to venture down the road you are talking about.

I don't think it's the same outlook for straight men as straight women financially. Many women end up married to someone who pretty much bankrolls the venture, and they might have a "fun" job on the side just to occupy time. As a guy who's been working his entire adult life and much of my childhood, I can tell you that "fun" is the last thing that I would ever look for in employment. I like my job, it's not taxing on me and I have more freedom than most people I know, but tbh I would rather be fishing.

[DMC]

I don't have a degree but I am CPP certified and make a decent living. I've been reading and seeing reports about "Is a degree wortht it?" lately compared to a trade school. More in the line of debt vs income I believe.
I've seen those articles. What they discount is that the trade school grad will still get into debt over his ears, but if he's maxed out in pay after 10 years doing the same thing, he's at an impasse financially. The degreed individual can more easily level up to a higher pay grade even if that means doing something completely different, if that's what it comes to.

Also, they ignore the fact that most trade schools are in blue collar work where there's a demand, and as the demand changes so does the school's classes. They compare those diesel mechanic certificates with degrees in philosophy instead of an engineering degree, which it most closely matches. No one is going to think "should I go for the liberal arts degree or become a master repair tech?"

It's never better to get just a certificate over a degree, but it's better to have a trade than to answer "I can do anything you need" to the interview question "what can you do for our company?"

[silverblk mystix]

As a male, it's hard to fathom having the mindset that it's ok to be poor as long as I am doing something I like. I like doing things that aren't cheap to do, or I especially like having that option. Options are great things. Being broke means no options, so unless you love your job so much you think about it on your days off, men better marry a woman who also works if they want to venture down the road you are talking about.

I don't think it's the same outlook for straight men as straight women financially. Many women end up married to someone who pretty much bankrolls the venture, and they might have a "fun" job on the side just to occupy time. As a guy who's been working his entire adult life and much of my childhood, I can tell you that "fun" is the last thing that I would ever look for in employment. I like my job, it's not taxing on me and I have more freedom than most people I know, but tbh I would rather be fishing.

There is another way...

You can chase the carrot on the stick your whole life and discover that you will never find happiness by looking for it in material things, accomplishments, achievements,so-called success,etc...

Or you can find out how you were programmed and conditioned since childhood and re-program yourself so you never need anything outside yourself to make you happy.

When you don't crave or need anything you are pretty free to enjoy life regardless of whatever title or label you or society place on yourself.

I have a pretty decent education...it's taken me years to get over it...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Liberal Arts is a bit off, 37k-62k? lol.
Most of them ed up going to lawschool, that's prolly why.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

When you don't crave or need anything
Well, I crave my own yacht, a country club membership, a trophy wife who's in her 20s when I'm 50, and most of all, I wanna be able to go into the strip club with a stack of 100s and make it rain.

I have no choice but to pursue money.

[FkLA]

just out of curiosity what area of engineering is your degree in, bro?

[Monostradamus]

Well, I crave my own yacht, a country club membership, a trophy wife who's in her 20s when I'm 50, and most of all, I wanna be able to go into the strip club with a stack of 100s and make it rain.

I have no choice but to pursue money.

tbh silverblk might have it right because you can be a cop and make dick for money, but you also get to beat the shit out of n!ggers all night long. Win-win.

[DMC]

There is another way...

You can chase the carrot on the stick your whole life and discover that you will never find happiness by looking for it in material things, accomplishments, achievements,so-called success,etc...

Horseshit.

Try to offer that "happiness" as a down payment on a home or a vehicle.



Or you can find out how you were programmed and conditioned since childhood and re-program yourself so you never need anything outside yourself to make you happy.

Tell that to some homeless person the next time you see a sign that says "will work for happiness".


When you don't crave or need anything you are pretty free to enjoy life regardless of whatever title or label you or society place on yourself.

When you don't crave or need anything, you are dead. Otherwise you need and crave food, water, shelter. You crave a social life and a lifestyle that reflects the work you have put into building something more.

Not everyone wants to die in a trailer house fire.


I have a pretty decent education...it's taken me years to get over it...
If someone offered you 100,000 a year more than you make now to do something different, live somewhere different, drive something different, would you accept? How about a million?

If it's just haggling over price, it's still about money.

[DMC]

just out of curiosity what area of engineering is your degree in, bro?
Who are you asking?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

tbh silverblk might have it right because you can be a cop and make dick for money, but you also get to beat the shit out of n!ggers all night long.
And then steal whatever drug money you find. Alonzo Harris could basically have $1,000,000 whenever he wanted it.

[FkLA]

Who are you asking?

you

[DMC]

you
Electrical.

How about you?

[silverblk mystix]

Horseshit.

Try to offer that "happiness" as a down payment on a home or a vehicle.

**Remember if you re-program yourself--you won't give a shit about those things...

Tell that to some homeless person the next time you see a sign that says "will work for happiness".

**Apparently, that homeless person never figured out how he was programmed because he ended up begging...

When you don't crave or need anything, you are dead. Otherwise you need and crave food, water, shelter. You crave a social life and a lifestyle that reflects the work you have put into building something more.


**Not true...when you don't crave or need anything you are blissful because you are living in the present moment-content with what life is offering you at the moment...far from being dead--you are free and more alive than most people because you are not anxious and focusing on what you don't have...
** You jumped to a faulty conclusion...we were referring to material things-not basic necessities for survival...
**If you CRAVE a lifestyle..you are already dead...you are hoping for something OTHER than what you have...therefore you are already missing the point...
**what happens when you achieve or attain this social life or lifestyle?...You will CRAVE another thrill...and another after you achieve or accomplish anything...always and forever chasing the carrot...

**Isn't is easier and better to figure out your brain so these cravings disappear? Doesn't it make a lot more sense to not need anything and be happy than to be a slave to your neverending appetite?

Of course it does...

Not everyone wants to die in a trailer house fire.



** Faulty thinking....missed the point...



If someone offered you 100,000 a year more than you make now to do something different, live somewhere different, drive something different, would you accept? How about a million?

*Been there...done that...I have tasted almost every luxury, had most toys, had adventures and material things and spent money until I was sick of spending...then I realized it was my programming that needed to be changed if I were ever to find happiness...
It is a bottomless pit...and as long as you keep chasing...there will always be something else you THINK you need...
**Most people do this over and over until they die...sadly they never live...only chase thrills followed by depression after the thrills wear off...sound familiar?


If it's just haggling over price, it's still about money.

**Deep inside you know this is true...but people don't really want truth...because truth means that they might have to give up their cravings,addictions, attachments....which are precisely the things that make them unhappy....

[DMC]

**Deep inside you know this is true...but people don't really want truth...because truth means that they might have to give up their cravings,addictions, attachments....which are precisely the things that make them unhappy....

No. What makes people unhappy is stress. Stress over financial situations is a killer, and death makes the living unhappy.

I've never seen a happy, broke person who didn't have a means of survival.

Face it: Someone is going to have to support your old ass when you reach retirement age, because happiness won't pay for your property taxes or your medicine, or your electric bill. Resorts don't accept happiness as a form of payment. Airlines won't even talk to you.

You will be a no home walking the dog happy motherfucker..... eddie.

[leemajors]

Most of them ed up going to lawschool, that's prolly why.

market is pretty choked with lawyers in lots of places, that is unfortunate.

[FkLA]

Electrical.

How about you?

brave nigga, i only took a lower level circuits class but shit seems way more conceptual than mechanical imo.

and not an engineer, hopefully in a few years :(

[silverblk mystix]

No. What makes people unhappy is stress. Stress over financial situations is a killer, and death makes the living unhappy.

I've never seen a happy, broke person who didn't have a means of survival.

Face it: Someone is going to have to support your old ass when you reach retirement age, because happiness won't pay for your property taxes or your medicine, or your electric bill. Resorts don't accept happiness as a form of payment. Airlines won't even talk to you.

You will be a no home walking the dog happy motherfucker..... eddie.

You still don't get it...nor do I expect you to...you have been programmed and brainwashed your whole life and don't even know it...

What makes people unhappy is the thinking in their head-plain and simple. If your thinking is clear...you are under no stress. What is stress but worrying about things that you have no control over anyway.

Just because you have de-programmed yourself doesn't mean that you are unemployed, broke and/or stupid. Well in your case...you will never rise above stupid because you haven't even figured out you are brainwashed.

I have no financial/retirement financial worries because I have worked my entire life and also had some very lucky breaks...the difference is that I have enjoyed every day of my life no matter what I was doing, where I was working, what hat I was wearing or what label or title people tried to place on me...because I had already gone through the pains of hell to de-program myself and drop my conditioning.

If I fancy a new toy I just buy it...but I don't ever fool myself into thinking that I NEED these things to be happy...these things don't have anything to do with happiness...neither does success...money...fame...titles...achievements, etc....those things are all transitory things that come and go...those are just swings of the pendulum.

Happiness is when you don't give a fuck what anyone thinks...you don't have anything to protect and you don't crave stupid transitory things like success, money, prestige, honor and all of that rot.

You better run harder to catch that carrot on a stick....only to discover you were wasting your time and energy on worthless crap.

[MannyIsGod]

Smh

[cantthinkofanything]

VINCENT: So you're serious, you're really gonna quit?
JULES: Most definitely.
VINCENT: So if you're quitting the life, what'll you do?
JULES: That's what I've been sitting here contemplating. I've decided, basically, I'm gonna walk the earth.
VINCENT: What do you mean, walk the earth?
JULES: You know, like Caine in "KUNG FU", just go from town to town, meet people, and get in adventures.
VINCENT: So you decided to be a bum?
JULES: I'll just be Jules -- no more, no less.
VINCENT: No Jules, without a job, residence, or legal tender you're gonna be a bum!
JULES: Look my friend, this is just where you and I differ --
VINCENT: And when did you make this decision -- while you were sitting there eatin' your muffin?
JULES: Yeah. I was just sitting here drinking my coffee, eating my muffin, when I had what alcoholics refer to as a "moment of clarity."

[cantthinkofanything]

What is stress but worrying about things that you have no control over anyway.


I think you're dead wrong. True stress is worrying about the things you can control.

[silverblk mystix]

I think you're dead wrong. True stress is worrying about the things you can control.

OK genius...if you can control them...then why the fuck would you be stressed?

[cantthinkofanything]

OK genius...if you can control them...then why the fuck would you be stressed?

I'm talking about choices. Stress comes from making choices. Making the wrong choice or passing up the right choice. An apropos example: staying with a job vs trying something different. Something you have total control over.

[GoodOdor]

If I could redo college, I'd put in the effort and get an engineering/science degree. Fresh grads with good grades basically get 60k fresh out of college. Don't get me wrong, accounting/finance will get you to 100k and even beyond, but it will take getting several years of experience+CPA/CFA+MBA.
The good thing is that a lot of companies will pay for your CPA/MBA.
So basically, it's really about how hard you're willing to work.

[silverblk mystix]

I'm talking about choices. Stress comes from making choices. Making the wrong choice or passing up the right choice. An apropos example: staying with a job vs trying something different. Something you have total control over.

Wrong again.

Stress comes from the thinking in your head. Stress happens when your thoughts are telling you to worry...when your mind is busy trying to fix things that don't need fixing. People spend all their time trying to fix things. Things don't need to be fixed...you don't have to rearrange the world...it is a precarious position to be in when you think you have to arrange the world to suit your tastes.

Then, for about five minutes, when the world suddenly fits your tastes you experience a brief respite....followed by stress and tension because now...that you achieved a short thrill from having some craving satisfied...now you have to try and NOT lose it...so you are right back where you started....trying to re-arrange the world to fit YOU again....

If you re-program your mind to always be open...to be like water--instead of rigid like ICE...then you won't suffer when your rigid brain bumps against a flowing reality.

Just let the world do what it is gonna do...stop wasting time stressing over meaningless shit.

[cantthinkofanything]

If you re-program your mind to always be open...to be like water--instead of rigid like ICE...then you won't suffer when your rigid brain bumps against a flowing reality.

Just let the world do what it is gonna do...stop wasting time stressing over meaningless shit.

If I was single, I might buy into this. But that shit doesn't work with a wife and daughter.

[cantthinkofanything]

^ and I don't mean "shit" as shit. Just mean that way of thinking.

[silverblk mystix]

If I was single, I might buy into this. But that shit doesn't work with a wife and daughter.

Deprogramming your brain works on any human being and it only improves your life and your family's life. No exceptions.

Or you can continue to bump into life and reality over and over until you die...but you never really lived. You were a robot...programmed from birth to death.

People don't want to hear this though...it is too hard to face the truth that maybe you have lived your entire life the wrong way. Asleep and mechanically programmed to be unhappy.

[TE]

Double major in finance and accounting with a minor in mathematics. I think I'll do alright. Shoulda just double majored in math and finance since I'm already pretty bored with accounting.

If I'm not mistaken, wouldn't it take longer to double major in the fields you mentioned rather than just get an MBA after qualifying for one of those majors?

Would getting an MBA in your case not lucratively benefit you?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

If I'm not mistaken, wouldn't it take longer to double major in the fields you mentioned rather than just get an MBA after qualifying for one of those majors?

Would getting an MBA in your case not lucratively benefit you?
Not in my situation because I started college with so much math already I only needed 12 addition math classes to complete a math minor and UA's business school is set up where you just need one extra semester to double major in finance if you start in accounting.

If things go as planned I'll have that double major and minor done after 9 total semesters.

EDIT: 12 math units, not math classes.

[CuckingFunt]

As a male, it's hard to fathom having the mindset that it's ok to be poor as long as I am doing something I like. I like doing things that aren't cheap to do, or I especially like having that option. Options are great things. Being broke means no options, so unless you love your job so much you think about it on your days off, men better marry a woman who also works if they want to venture down the road you are talking about.

I don't think it's the same outlook for straight men as straight women financially. Many women end up married to someone who pretty much bankrolls the venture, and they might have a "fun" job on the side just to occupy time. As a guy who's been working his entire adult life and much of my childhood, I can tell you that "fun" is the last thing that I would ever look for in employment. I like my job, it's not taxing on me and I have more freedom than most people I know, but tbh I would rather be fishing.

Never said I'd be happy being poor. I wouldn't. I grew up poor, I lived paycheck-to-paycheck for a number of years as an adult, and I much prefer supporting myself comfortably, having my bills paid, having good credit, and having nice things.

But neither am I under the delusion that I need a six figure salary in order to have that stability. Or that I would be significantly more happy with a huge house and a flashy car than I would be with a condo and a Beetle. Would I take $100K/year if someone wanted to give it to me? Yeah. And with no kids, I'd probably enjoy the hell out of it. But I don't need to chase it.

[TE]

How many hours would you take a semester if you stay according to that plan?

I would assume that's like 16-17 hours of coursework per semester, right?

:lol I slacked off so much my first two and a half years of undergrad that I ended up having to take 17 hours each semester thereafter to graduate.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

How many hours would you take a semester if you stay according to that plan?

I would assume that's like 16-17 hours of coursework per semester, right?

:lol I slacked off so much my first two and a half years of undergrad that I ended up having to take 17 hours each semester thereafter to graduate.
Na prolly around 15. I had a few semesters where I only took 12 units and my next two semester I'll be taking 18 units so it'll average around 15 a semester.

I don't plan on any school after undergrad tho so that's why I have so much shit. That might change, but if I can get a job with a company I have an in with I'll start off with great pay right out of school with no grad school.

[ChuckD]

You have to get a grad degree to make any kind of money.

Tell that to Gates and Jobs.

[mavs>spurs]

yeah tshlong is a retard these degrees are all on here because you actually earn good money on average with only the bachelors...my cousin got his bba in finance and he's a multimillionaire today, not to mention engineers really do make the figures in the OP even with just a bachelors. ironic for a 55 year old bachelor to think he's got it all figured out and hate on a "bachelors" degree :lmao

[Nathan89]

There is another way...

You can chase the carrot on the stick your whole life and discover that you will never find happiness by looking for it in material things, accomplishments, achievements,so-called success,etc...

Or you can find out how you were programmed and conditioned since childhood and re-program yourself so you never need anything outside yourself to make you happy.

When you don't crave or need anything you are pretty free to enjoy life regardless of whatever title or label you or society place on yourself.

I have a pretty decent education...it's taken me years to get over it...

Not sure what you mean here. Can you explain this?


**Deep inside you know this is true...but people don't really want truth...because truth means that they might have to give up their cravings,addictions, attachments....which are precisely the things that make them unhappy....


You still don't get it...nor do I expect you to...you have been programmed and brainwashed your whole life and don't even know it...

What makes people unhappy is the thinking in their head-plain and simple. If your thinking is clear...you are under no stress. What is stress but worrying about things that you have no control over anyway.

Just because you have de-programmed yourself doesn't mean that you are unemployed, broke and/or stupid. Well in your case...you will never rise above stupid because you haven't even figured out you are brainwashed.

I have no financial/retirement financial worries because I have worked my entire life and also had some very lucky breaks...the difference is that I have enjoyed every day of my life no matter what I was doing, where I was working, what hat I was wearing or what label or title people tried to place on me...because I had already gone through the pains of hell to de-program myself and drop my conditioning.

If I fancy a new toy I just buy it...but I don't ever fool myself into thinking that I NEED these things to be happy...these things don't have anything to do with happiness...neither does success...money...fame...titles...achievements, etc....those things are all transitory things that come and go...those are just swings of the pendulum.

Happiness is when you don't give a fuck what anyone thinks...you don't have anything to protect and you don't crave stupid transitory things like success, money, prestige, honor and all of that rot.

You better run harder to catch that carrot on a stick....only to discover you were wasting your time and energy on worthless crap.

Silverblk Mystix getting his philosopher on.

I feel everyone needs success in some aspect of their life to be happy.

[MannyIsGod]

S&B's argument is foolish, IMO. It basically boils down to you can be happy if you wish. This is completely true but ironic considering how he's talking about brainwashing. Happiness is different things to different people. I won't disagree that I find it foolish to work all your life just to acquire possessions, but I don't feel the same way about experiences. Everyone should decide for themselves what makes them happy whether that be an actual event or possession or simply telling yourself (as S&B says) that you're happy. I find what S&B proposes to be just as empty if not more so a life than someone who is completely materialistic and uses material possessions to judge the quality of their life.

By nature I'm a curious person and the thing I love to do most of all is travel to new places and see new things. Can't do that shit without money. Now, I could simply tell myself over and over that I didn't need to do that to be happy until I actually believed it, or I could just work to achieve the goal of seeing new places so that I'm actually happy. In either case I guess I could think I'm happy, but only one of those existences actually seems fulfilling to me.

[Wild Cobra]

There are exceptions to every rule, but in general you are much more likely to make >$80K if you have an advanced degree.
There are some fields where no amount of college can help out. Once you understand how the components work, all farther learning is hands on experience. Notice that those are white collar jobs. There are some blue collar jobs like mine that if you are the cream of the crop, you can make serious bux.

[mavs>spurs]

if you are an immigrant you actually get 20% more cos you dont pay that much tax as others do, am i right DMC?

[silverblk mystix]

Not sure what you mean here. Can you explain this?


** It means that in school they taught us how to think...how to solve puzzles..how to pass tests and read books, etc...BUT they didn't teach us how to LIVE...we weren't taught how to LIVE. We weren't told that in order to live and to be happy..you have to forget all the garbage that was drilled into your head.
**Here's an example; Wherever you go and whomever you meet in your life...you are responding to them from habit...you meet Joe and your computer (brain) goes to work ...Joe,black,male,tall,short,fat,rich,democrat, etc...you stamped poor Joe with a dozen labels BEFORE even saying a word to him...and if some of those labels are negative...well ...even worse. Now all those labels you placed on Joe took away a little of your present perception and clarity-and you are not seeing Joe as he is-you are seeing him from your very clouded perception.
If you want to see clearly and live happy...you must forget everything-smash all the labels and begin to see people and things and life with a clear and clean mind. When you respond to someone-if you want to really see them...you must have sensitivity,consciousness,clarity of perception and accuracy of response. Only then will you actually be seeing people, life, things,etc...
**So you would have to start finding out how is it that you were programmed to place labels on everything..and begin to see things in a fresh state.
****I don't mean mechanical things like driving a car or whatever...these things I am talking about here are spiritual things...not mechanical things. You have to live a moment...live it fully...and then LET IT GO...don't carry it over to the next moment...then the next day...erase all you know and live that day in freshness.




Silverblk Mystix getting his philosopher on.

I feel everyone needs success in some aspect of their life to be happy.

***NEED is the key word here...if you think you NEED anything...you pretty much will get a rude awakening when you discover that those things did not bring happiness. Again...someone will bring up food & water & basic necessities and it is NOT those things I am referring to.

[DMC]

Wrong again.

Stress comes from the thinking in your head. Stress happens when your thoughts are telling you to worry...when your mind is busy trying to fix things that don't need fixing. People spend all their time trying to fix things. Things don't need to be fixed...you don't have to rearrange the world...it is a precarious position to be in when you think you have to arrange the world to suit your tastes.
What you are describing amounts to apathy and those people are the ones who settle for nothing. That's how poverty in a lineage propagates. That's how laziness starts. That nagging voice in your mind is your conscience telling you to get off your ass and do something. "Reprogramming" your mind amounts to accepting a lower standard. The rich love you for it though. Someone has to do the shit they don't want to do.


Then, for about five minutes, when the world suddenly fits your tastes you experience a brief respite....followed by stress and tension because now...that you achieved a short thrill from having some craving satisfied...now you have to try and NOT lose it...so you are right back where you started....trying to re-arrange the world to fit YOU again....

If you re-program your mind to always be open...to be like water--instead of rigid like ICE...then you won't suffer when your rigid brain bumps against a flowing reality.
By reprogramming, aren't you still chasing what you think you want?


Just let the world do what it is gonna do...stop wasting time stressing over meaningless shit.The term "meaningless shit" is so ambiguous that it's meaningless shit in your statement.

What you are saying is that people should lower their expectations, set incredibly passive goals and veg out, smoke pot, drink beer and fart a lot at their trailer while not giving a shit what the world around them does. Eventually they will shit themselves and sit in it for days because hygiene is just a programmed construct that you have overcome.

Sounds like hyperbole, but doesn't it eventually devolve into that?

[silverblk mystix]

S&B's argument is foolish, IMO. It basically boils down to you can be happy if you wish. This is completely true but ironic considering how he's talking about brainwashing. Happiness is different things to different people. I won't disagree that I find it foolish to work all your life just to acquire possessions, but I don't feel the same way about experiences. Everyone should decide for themselves what makes them happy whether that be an actual event or possession or simply telling yourself (as S&B says) that you're happy. I find what S&B proposes to be just as empty if not more so a life than someone who is completely materialistic and uses material possessions to judge the quality of their life.

By nature I'm a curious person and the thing I love to do most of all is travel to new places and see new things. Can't do that shit without money. Now, I could simply tell myself over and over that I didn't need to do that to be happy until I actually believed it, or I could just work to achieve the goal of seeing new places so that I'm actually happy. In either case I guess I could think I'm happy, but only one of those existences actually seems fulfilling to me.

Well it is understandable and a reasonable person's first conclusion is that it boils down to being happy if you wish. It goes deeper than that.

Did it ever occur to you that we-all of us-were programmed to be unhappy?

Here's what happened;
Instead of being allowed to to enjoy the things in life like play,laughter,etc...we were instead given a list of things which we were told we NEEDED to be happy. Here's one list...a great job, a beautiful wife or husband, success, money, god, possessions, etc...
We were told that if we did NOT get these things we would be....guess what;
unhappy, a failure, looked down upon, etc...

We became cravenly dependant on these things as soon as we bought this...we swallowed it whole..we began to strive and work...to get that attention, applause, approval,etc...

Now...you have forgotten that you were not born with these things and you see them as facts...not as brainwashing...you-me...everyone...has built their lives on these lists and we work our asses off to try and check off these items on this list to ...get this...to reach happiness...to be successful...to be accepted...to be well regarded....on & on...

Here's something to think about....

In the WEST ...people hate their jobs...they endure this and say to themselves...they will enjoy their life when they are off of work...or when they are on vacation...or retire...always putting off happiness and living until AFTER WORK!
I did this for years...we all have...we were brainwashed into thinking that happiness is a holiday pleasure cruise...

Here's another way...a different way...

In some parts of the world...here is a typical Zen training...

These guys go to learn to be a Zen master and they can't wait to start learning secrets of the universe and becoming enlightened, etc...
What do they do? The Zen masters put them to work washing dishes, digging weeds, cleaning up shit, etc...
WHY?
It is taught that whatever you are doing....be there...be in that moment...live that moment....taste it...be aware of where you are...be aware of what you are doing...love that moment...and then let it go. The next day they might be sweeping...and they learn to love that moment...etc...

If you go through life loving everything you are doing...you won't have to wait to go home or on vacation to fully enjoy your life you will always he happy in that moment....

If you are washing a cup to have some tea and you are thinking of something in the future, your bills, your day, etc....you are lost...you are not washing the cup anymore you are a robot doing a mechanical thing...if you enjoy and fully live the moment when you wash the cup...you are starting to get it....and when you drink the tea---you don't drink it and fantasize about next week or last week---you drink the tea....you taste the texture...enjoy the aroma feel the liquid in your taste buds...in your body...

They have tea ceremonies...where the whole purpose is to enjoy the tea and NOTHING ELSE!

Try that in the WEST with all these super multi-taskers!!!!

You don't just decide to tell yourself to be happy....you learn about your programming and smash all of it...throw all that garbage away (not mechanical skills)...and forget everything....

When you next see or relate to your beloved try this....

Instead of seeing your girl -for example- and you see a ....female,sweet, short, tall, pretty, label-label-label----

Try to see...a fluffy moving object whose eyes sparkle and whose smile curves this way or that and a bouncy fresh human being with her own ways, her own mannerisms....and update this image constantly---with whatever is happening at that moment---as if it were the FIRST time you had ever experienced her....

and the next day...erase all that and start fresh again...

Try this and you will make a nice discovery worth more than any degree or plaque on the wall....

Or hate on me and call me crazy...it amounts to the same....

[DMC]

***NEED is the key word here...if you think you NEED anything...you pretty much will get a rude awakening when you discover that those things did not bring happiness. Again...someone will bring up food & water & basic necessities and it is NOT those things I am referring to.
That's a slippery slope.

The pursuit of happiness is an inalienable right. It's why we live in the first place. If all we needed was food and water, we could live in a flower pot.

The funny thing about Zen is that, in the West, it's a rich person's game. Rich people have already chased and caught their goal.

So flip those burgers and be in the moment, and don't crush my toasted buns (no homo).

[silverblk mystix]

What you are describing amounts to apathy and those people are the ones who settle for nothing. That's how poverty in a lineage propagates. That's how laziness starts. That nagging voice in your mind is your conscience telling you to get off your ass and do something. "Reprogramming" your mind amounts to accepting a lower standard. The rich love you for it though. Someone has to do the shit they don't want to do.
By reprogramming, aren't you still chasing what you think you want?
The term "meaningless shit" is so ambiguous that it's meaningless shit in your statement.




*** Wrong...faulty assumptions...apathy is losing respect for yourself and not caring about anything...this is not apathy...it is being free from cravings...you still work--but you enjoy the work...you enjoy the play...everything...

**If you are reprogrammed....you are not chasing...you have DIED to the need for things - the need for outside things to fulfill your inside.

What you are saying is that people should lower their expectations, set incredibly passive goals and veg out, smoke pot, drink beer and fart a lot at their trailer while not giving a shit what the world around them does. Eventually they will shit themselves and sit in it for days because hygiene is just a programmed construct that you have overcome.

Sounds like hyperbole, but doesn't it eventually devolve into that?



***Wrong, yet again.

I have worked all my life...still working...where did I promote laziness? Or being a trailer living imbecile?
Nowhere...these are labels that you have been programmed to apply whenever you are prompted.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

There are some fields where no amount of college can help out. Once you understand how the components work, all farther learning is hands on experience. Notice that those are white collar jobs. There are some blue collar jobs like mine that if you are the cream of the crop, you can make serious bux.
I think you're just a dumbfuck who thinks he makes serious money but really doesn't.

[JoeChalupa]

Different things make different people happy. For some, it is traveling, for others it could be as simple as spending time with loved ones which for me is priceless and doesn't need to cost a penny. It does seem that happiness is pushed as going on vacations, nice homes, nice cars as we see it everyday in commercials. You do need to make money to provide for your family but the how much differs for everyone. Money CAN buy happiness but happiness doesn't always come with a price tag.

[silverblk mystix]

That's a slippery slope.

The pursuit of happiness is an inalienable right. It's why we live in the first place. If all we needed was food and water, we could live in a flower pot.

The funny thing about Zen is that, in the West, it's a rich person's game. Rich people have already chased and caught their goal.

So flip those burgers and be in the moment, and don't crush my toasted buns (no homo).

The pursuit of happiness is a fool's game. The reason why we live is to be free and to love. That is it. Not to be loved, not to be successful, to be rich, etc...

To be free and to love.

Rich people may have caught their goal...but ask them if they also discovered that attaining this goal gave them happiness. You may be surprised by what you hear. THAT might be why they are turning to Zen or to some other teachings...

because they are STILL searching....

Again...you were programmed to label me as a burger flipper (not that there is anything wrong with flipping burgers) ...because you can only see through your clouded perception...and the very first thing you can do is apply labels to everything to keep your brain on auto-pilot....

It is harder to actually wake up and empty your brain and see with new eyes...THAT takes work!

[tlongII]

The pursuit of happiness is a fool's game. The reason why we live is to be free and to love. That is it. Not to be loved, not to be successful, to be rich, etc...

To be free and to love.

Rich people may have caught their goal...but ask them if they also discovered that attaining this goal gave them happiness. You may be surprised by what you hear. THAT might be why they are turning to Zen or to some other teachings...

because they are STILL searching....

Again...you were programmed to label me as a burger flipper (not that there is anything wrong with flipping burgers) ...because you can only see through your clouded perception...and the very first thing you can do is apply labels to everything to keep your brain on auto-pilot....

It is harder to actually wake up and empty your brain and see with new eyes...THAT takes work!

How old are you?

[FortuneCookie]

People take different roads seeking fulfillment and happiness. Just because they're not on your road doesn't mean they've gotten lost.

Lucky Numbers: 4, 8, 11, 19, 44, 51 15

[silverblk mystix]

How old are you?

Geezer here... mid 40's...heading downhill fast!

[silverblk mystix]

People take different roads seeking fulfillment and happiness. Just because they're not on your road doesn't mean they've gotten lost.

Lucky Numbers: 4, 8, 11, 19, 44, 51 15

Didn't mean to imply it was MY road...I was programmed & conditioned just like everyone else...in my 30's...I attained what I had been told was "success" and had enough $ to not have to work anymore...provided I was smart...not rich but I would be ok ...

What happened next opened my eyes...

I found myself not having to report to a job to pay my bills...I just had to call my financial advisor and tell him to wire me 3 or 4 or 10k...and I would just pay my shit and blow the rest...

I enjoyed it for awhile...

Eventually...there was no more pleasure in buying toys....I had played for awhile and had many adventures...(Funny how attractive women seemed to be interested all of a sudden-but that is another story) but I began to grow unhappy, depressed even...

Soon after...my body began breaking down...funny how when you HAVE to work to pay bills...your body never breaks down...because you CAN'T AFFORD IT!!!
...BUT when you don't have to work...there is time for your body to catch it's breath and it is almost like it says to you;
"you have neglected me long enough...now I will put you in the hospital and force you to address my needs!"

This depression and breaking down was due to me coming to grips with this simple fact;
Attaining or reaching your goals or arriving at success do not mean that you are automatically happy--it is actually the opposite. All your life you were told that this, that & the other thing were going to make you happy...and now I had it...and I was miserable.

What will you do when you have everything you wanted? Well depending on your conditioning...you will either...
A) try to get BIGGER things...to satisfy your BIGGER cravings...

or

B) break down and find yourself bewildered that you were lied to your whole life and that all your hard work did not make you happy and your dreams fulfilled left you lost and still searching for meaning...

So I broke down...died...etc....

Had to find out a lot of painful shit and go through the pains of hell...but it was the best thing that ever happened to me...

Sometimes I just want to warn others but I have found that no-one wants to hear it or believe it ...and I have found that people get very defensive and cannot even fathom that they could be wrong...or that they were taught wrong...it is painful to look at yourself and be honest...it is easier to just call a person crazy...

[AmericanPsycho]

My SO decided to go into nursing school and she makes real good money and has great hours.

[TDMVPDPOY]

If I could redo college, I'd put in the effort and get an engineering/science degree. Fresh grads with good grades basically get 60k fresh out of college. Don't get me wrong, accounting/finance will get you to 100k and even beyond, but it will take getting several years of experience+CPA/CFA+MBA.
The good thing is that a lot of companies will pay for your CPA/MBA.
So basically, it's really about how hard you're willing to work.

market is stacked with these clowns atm, only the brightest who end up with graduate jobs at the big banks and firms end up earning that pay figure after a few years under their belt...the underachievers end up doing 30-40k jobs which are entry level jobs with no career progressing....still better then nothing.

cpa/cfa costs jackshit to do do compared to a stupid bachelors which could make you broke ass with debt over ur head...

most those entry level jobs in finance/accounting like data entry, accts receivable and payable, reporting and shit will soon be outsourced to cheaper labour countries...its only the consulting that be valuable...fck it.


blue collar workers as in tradesman, now thats where the money is at these days...

[silverblk mystix]

My SO decided to go into nursing school and she makes real good money and has great hours.

She is working very hard...

wifey went through that and I saw firsthand what an awesome hard worker she is...

the thing is - she didn't even HAVE to do it...she just drove herself to do it even though she didn't have to...

gotta say...I am a big admirer of all of you that complete this and get your degrees...it takes a lot of work and dedication.

:toast

[AmericanPsycho]

She loves it.

[DMC]

The pursuit of happiness is a fool's game. The reason why we live is to be free and to love. That is it. Not to be loved, not to be successful, to be rich, etc...

To be free and to love.

Says who?



Rich people may have caught their goal...but ask them if they also discovered that attaining this goal gave them happiness. You may be surprised by what you hear. THAT might be why they are turning to Zen or to some other teachings...

because they are STILL searching....

Ask them if they would give up their riches to be your kind of "happy", which basically equates to a apathetic dissociation with society.

Aren't you a prison guard? Do you do that for fun?



Again...you were programmed to label me as a burger flipper (not that there is anything wrong with flipping burgers) ...because you can only see through your clouded perception...and the very first thing you can do is apply labels to everything to keep your brain on auto-pilot....

I wasn't labeling you. I was saying "in general".

Who's brain is really on autopilot, mine for critical thinking or yours for regurgitating something you read in a book or heard in a seminar?



It is harder to actually wake up and empty your brain and see with new eyes...THAT takes work!
Some don't have to work as hard to empty their brains.

[DMC]

There are some fields where no amount of college can help out. Once you understand how the components work, all farther learning is hands on experience. Notice that those are white collar jobs. There are some blue collar jobs like mine that if you are the cream of the crop, you can make serious bux.

Cream of the crop people normally are contracting and consulting, not punching a time clock.

[silverblk mystix]

Says who?

Ask them if they would give up their riches to be your kind of "happy", which basically equates to a apathetic dissociation with society.

****Another faulty jumping of conclusions...why do you make the leap that somehow I implied that to be happy it is either/or? Why do you assume that someone would HAVE TO give up all their money?

You can have things and be happy...but if you think that happiness is a "GOAL" ...then you are in for a rude awakening...

these "rich" people keep searching after they have money because they make the discovery that money didn't buy them happiness..same with success...

if you think you "NEED" money or success to be happy...it is a myth and that is what I am talking about...

Aren't you a prison guard? Do you do that for fun?

***If you read the other posts you will see that I said that I don't "HAVE TO" work...as long as I am prudent financially...so yes, in essence I "choose" to continue in the work force because I want to for my own reasons...I enjoy my job immensely and I also enjoy other pursuits and/or hobbies...but I haven't "had to" for a long, long time.


I wasn't labeling you. I was saying "in general".

Who's brain is really on autopilot, mine for critical thinking or yours for regurgitating something you read in a book or heard in a seminar?


***Well if you really haven't figured out your conditioning and programming...then sadly...your brain has been on autopilot for a long time...

I gave you a brief picture of how I went through a death and rebirth and arrived at these conclusions...but if you can't take the time to read them...it is ok...if it's easier to assume for you...then continue...


Some don't have to work as hard to empty their brains.

Some figured shit out sooner...some later...some lived and died without ever knowing they were brainwashed...

[Wild Cobra]

I think you're just a dumbfuck who thinks he makes serious money but really doesn't.
I don't make serious money. Just a comfortable 5 figures that peaks into 6 figures during some years.

[TE]

There are a whole lot of wannabe philosophers of life on Spurstalk.

[Wild Cobra]

I think in many cases, betting more education is just a race to the bottom. You either have what it takes early on in a field, or you don't. If after so much education, you still need educated...

Sorry, I have zero days of college. My high school had what they called a "skill center" which most my electives were used for. I went into the military giving me a AA equivalent in Communications Electronics. Worked various automation equipment jobs, one as an Engineering Technician, Landed a great job working somewhat like the fabled "Maytag Repairman." Nice and slow, but you have to be top notch when shit breaks.

[TE]

I think in many cases, *getting more education is just a race to the bottom. You either have what it takes early on in a field, or you don't. If after so much education, you still need educated...

Sorry, I have zero days of college. My high school had what they called a "skill center" which most my electives were used for. I went into the military giving me a AA equivalent in Communications Electronics. Worked various automation equipment jobs, one as an Engineering Technician, Landed a great job working somewhat like the fabled "Maytag Repairman." Nice and slow, but you have to be top notch when shit breaks.

Says the old man who never got a higher education. :lmao

[Moocher]

I get by with a little help from my friends.

[DMC]

Some figured shit out sooner...some later...some lived and died without ever knowing they were brainwashed...
And some don't know how to use quote tags.

Honestly, you don't need to come to some convenient epiphany just because you fell short of your own expectations in life. It is what it is. Don't make it into what it's not.

[JoeChalupa]

We are all brain washed in some capacity. Some are brain washed to think it is about possessions, some about education, some about community service, some to eat healthy, etc. My cousin has no degree but took some electrical courses and started with a uncion electrician and years later he got his electrician license and makes real good money.

[DMC]

We are all brain washed in some capacity. Some are brain washed to think it is about possessions, some about education, some about community service, some to eat healthy, etc. My cousin has no degree but took some electrical courses and started with a uncion electrician and years later he got his electrician license and makes real good money.
Your cousin works with unicorns?

[cantthinkofanything]

Your cousin works with unicorns?

that sounds like true happienss
Working with unicorns in a rainbow valley.

[DMC]

that sounds like true happienss
Working with unicorns in a rainbow valley.
But not if you have to chase the unicorns. You realize it's not worth it.

[cantthinkofanything]

But not if you have to chase the unicorns. You realize it's not worth it.

You need to deprogram yourself. If you don't chase unicorns, you can achieve total unicorns.

[JoeChalupa]

Your cousin works with unicorns?

Union. My other primo is a plumber and get $75 just to show up and he does very well.

[DMC]

Union. My other primo is a plumber and get $75 just to show up and he does very well.

He shows up very well or he makes a lot of money?

[silverblk mystix]

Union. My other primo is a plumber and get $75 just to show up and he does very well.

Reminds me of the guy who says to the plumber, "hey you're charging me 200 dollars an hour...I don't make that as an attorney!"

The plumber says, " I didn't make 200 bux an hour when I was an attorney either!"

Labels....

[z0sa]

Journalism figures are definitely bullshit. 36K to start is believable, but you won't ever hit 56k. Ever.

[Dan Rather]

Journalism figures are definitely bullshit. 36K to start is believable, but you won't ever hit 56k. Ever.

:lmao :lmao

[z0sa]

:lmao ok, unless you're dan rather or a hot fox news anchor.

[MannyIsGod]

not just yet...

but that 5.0 stang and that 1 series Bimmer are beckoning...

in some wierd way that VW bug seems like it would also be a blast and a great car to tune...

to turn it into a wolf in sheep's clothing...regardless if people think it is gay...

[silverblk mystix]

The weather today in Texas...will be HOT.

Fascinating.

The forecast for tonight...is DARK.

I feel smarter already.

Baaaaah....baaaah...bleat...bleat...

[MannyIsGod]

Why are you so mad? I thought you were full of zen? I just found it ironic when I compared your posts in this thread with the ones in the Bug thread. Do you think the desire with getting fast or expensive cars jives with what you posted in here?

[DMC]

Why are you so mad? I thought you were full of zen? I just found it ironic when I compared your posts in this thread with the ones in the Bug thread. Do you think the desire with getting fast or expensive cars jives with what you posted in here?

I don't see any contradictions. If YOU wanted that car, then sure. You're the one who needs to reprogram. He's already done it. It just so happens he used the original disk.

[MannyIsGod]

I don't see any contradictions. If YOU wanted that car, then sure. You're the one who needs to reprogram. He's already done it. It just so happens he used the original disk.

:lol

[silverblk mystix]

Why are you so mad? I thought you were full of zen? I just found it ironic when I compared your posts in this thread with the ones in the Bug thread. Do you think the desire with getting fast or expensive cars jives with what you posted in here?

People think in black and white...maybe because that is all you know...I've got news for you...

you don't have to give up your toys to be happy..all you have to do is understand the difference between NEEDING things to make you happy and having preferences...

Having preferences allows you to enjoy things without getting attached to them and then being destroyed when you lose them. This goes for material things, love, people,etc....it is never wise-even in Zen- to RENOUNCE things...

because when you RENOUNCE something...you only give it more power and you are forever tied to it...

kind of like the story of when the Priest goes to confession--and all he wants to talk about is SEX...

and a Prostitute goes to confession--and all she or he wants to talk about is GOD!

The cars I described are not that pricey...if I had wanted to be pretentious--I would have only mentioned German cars...and no car is necessary for my happiness....

And I am not mad at all...if what I say disturbs your ego...and you feel the need to defend your attachments...it is ok...

[cantthinkofanything]

....it is never wise-even in Zen- to RENOUNCE things...

because when you RENOUNCE something...you only give it more power and you are forever tied to it...



LMAO. You've spent two days in this thread RENOUNCING life in the real world.

[silverblk mystix]

LMAO. You've spent two days in this thread RENOUNCING life in the real world.

You really get it WRONG everytime....

I know it is not what you are accustomed to hearing....but it is a paradox...

When you DIE to the NEED for things....then you are truly ALIVE!!!!

This is what is meant by dying to oneself...it has nothing to do with hurting yourself or renouncing LIFE...

it means to DIE to the needs and cravings for things OUTSIDE yourself to make you happy...because NOTHING outside of you is true happiness...

it is already inside you...but you have to peel layers and layers upon layers of conditioning and programming to get back to it....

I certainly didn't invent any of this shit and it is available to anyone that WANTS to see...

but most people are terrified of the consequences....

[cantthinkofanything]

You really get it WRONG everytime....

I know it is not what you are accustomed to hearing....but it is a paradox...

When you DIE to the NEED for things....then you are truly ALIVE!!!!

This is what is meant by dying to oneself...it has nothing to do with hurting yourself or renouncing LIFE...

it means to DIE to the needs and cravings for things OUTSIDE yourself to make you happy...because NOTHING outside of you is true happiness...

it is already inside you...but you have to peel layers and layers upon layers of conditioning and programming to get back to it....

I certainly didn't invent any of this shit and it is available to anyone that WANTS to see...

but most people are terrified of the consequences....

Hey, do you know who you're going to ask to Sadie Hawkins yet?

[silverblk mystix]

Hey, do you know who you're going to ask to Sadie Hawkins yet?

Sorry...went over my head...I've no idea who the fuck that is...nor do I care...since it is a lame attempt at a smart retort...

nice try though...

[cantthinkofanything]

Sorry...went over my head...I've no idea who the fuck that is...nor do I care...since it is a lame attempt at a smart retort...

nice try though...

RJ drives a white 1980 Walton.

[MannyIsGod]

People think in black and white...maybe because that is all you know...I've got news for you...

you don't have to give up your toys to be happy..all you have to do is understand the difference between NEEDING things to make you happy and having preferences...

Having preferences allows you to enjoy things without getting attached to them and then being destroyed when you lose them. This goes for material things, love, people,etc....it is never wise-even in Zen- to RENOUNCE things...

because when you RENOUNCE something...you only give it more power and you are forever tied to it...

kind of like the story of when the Priest goes to confession--and all he wants to talk about is SEX...

and a Prostitute goes to confession--and all she or he wants to talk about is GOD!

The cars I described are not that pricey...if I had wanted to be pretentious--I would have only mentioned German cars...and no car is necessary for my happiness....

And I am not mad at all...if what I say disturbs your ego...and you feel the need to defend your attachments...it is ok...

:lmao

You're SO full of shit. This thread is gold. Leave it to someone to act like he's walking the earth like the dude from Kung Fu and then turn around and talk about buying a BMW.

Let me know when you give up all your worldly and material possessions to find true happiness, Zen Master.

[silverblk mystix]

:lmao

You're SO full of shit. This thread is gold. Leave it to someone to act like he's walking the earth like the dude from Kung Fu and then turn around and talk about buying a BMW.

Let me know when you give up all your worldly and material possessions to find true happiness, Zen Master.

It is apparent that your brain won't process the difference between needing things to be happy and just having preferences and enjoying them.

Only someone who thinks in black and white assumes that you need to give up all your worldly possessions. I already told you...you don't have to renounce shit--you just have to understand the difference between an attachment and a preference.

They taught you all kinds of shit at school but they never taught you how to live...so it is obvious you can't connect the dots when it comes to spiritual things. Hard to get deprogrammed when you are not aware of your programming.

Good luck with that.

[cantthinkofanything]

It is apparent that your brain won't process the difference between needing things to be happy and just having preferences and enjoying them.

Only someone who thinks in black and white assumes that you need to give up all your worldly possessions. I already told you...you don't have to renounce shit--you just have to understand the difference between an attachment and a preference.

They taught you all kinds of shit at school but they never taught you how to live...so it is obvious you can't connect the dots when it comes to spiritual things. Hard to get deprogrammed when you are not aware of your programming.

Good luck with that.

link please

[mavs>spurs]

Some figured shit out sooner...some later...some lived and died without ever knowing they were brainwashed...

a brainwashed dumb chink, anything special?

[mavs>spurs]

:lmao

You're SO full of shit. This thread is gold. Leave it to someone to act like he's walking the earth like the dude from Kung Fu and then turn around and talk about buying a BMW.

Let me know when you give up all your worldly and material possessions to find true happiness, Zen Master.

chinks all think similar no surprise here tbh, discussion ended

[MannyIsGod]

I can quit anytime I want to

[Axe Murderer]

The weather today in Texas...will be HOT.

Fascinating.

The forecast for tonight...is DARK.

I feel smarter already.

Baaaaah....baaaah...bleat...bleat...

You're a dumbass. The weathermen didn't major in science degrees. They majored in mass comm and just regurgitate what the real scientists tell them too. And I also find it ironic that you of all people are making fun of someone else's job.

"Well shiiieeett looks like big Big bubba is whoopin n hollerin agin! somebody done go get da tranquilizer!"

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

^:lmao

[Leetonidas]

You really get it WRONG everytime....

I know it is not what you are accustomed to hearing....but it is a paradox...

When you DIE to the NEED for things....then you are truly ALIVE!!!!

This is what is meant by dying to oneself...it has nothing to do with hurting yourself or renouncing LIFE...

it means to DIE to the needs and cravings for things OUTSIDE yourself to make you happy...because NOTHING outside of you is true happiness...

it is already inside you...but you have to peel layers and layers upon layers of conditioning and programming to get back to it....

I certainly didn't invent any of this shit and it is available to anyone that WANTS to see...

but most people are terrified of the consequences....

http://i56.tinypic.com/2iut10n.jpg

[mavs>spurs]

a college degree granted u the US citizenship, thats where your happiness & possessions all originated from. of course u fuckers speak nice of the bridge that carried you over. UCLA is probably the yellowest school of the world now imho which means hundreds to thousands of american kids are to be ostensibly snubbed. they chinks don't worry bout loss of population cos they have like 10 trillion, saying they have unlimited ammo to keep the meat attack going on and on and on... just a modern style of invasion imho, in a few years maybe the whites will no longer be the majority in the US

congrats to you all... chinks, terrorists and commies :cheer:

[DMC]

People think in black and white...maybe because that is all you know...I've got news for you...

you don't have to give up your toys to be happy..all you have to do is understand the difference between NEEDING things to make you happy and having preferences...

Having preferences allows you to enjoy things without getting attached to them and then being destroyed when you lose them. This goes for material things, love, people,etc....it is never wise-even in Zen- to RENOUNCE things...

because when you RENOUNCE something...you only give it more power and you are forever tied to it...

kind of like the story of when the Priest goes to confession--and all he wants to talk about is SEX...

and a Prostitute goes to confession--and all she or he wants to talk about is GOD!

The cars I described are not that pricey...if I had wanted to be pretentious--I would have only mentioned German cars...and no car is necessary for my happiness....

And I am not mad at all...if what I say disturbs your ego...and you feel the need to defend your attachments...it is ok...
So which undergrad degree do you have? I didn't see one on hypocritical zen bullshitter.

[DMC]

a college degree granted u the US citizenship, thats where your happiness & possessions all originated from. of course u fuckers speak nice of the bridge that carried you over. UCLA is probably the yellowest school of the world now imho which means hundreds to thousands of american kids are to be ostensibly snubbed. they chinks don't worry bout loss of population cos they have like 10 trillion, saying they have unlimited ammo to keep the meat attack going on and on and on... just a modern style of invasion imho, in a few years maybe the whites will no longer be the majority in the US

congrats to you all... chinks, terrorists and commies :cheer:Y H

Young Hova


lol

[silverblk mystix]

You're a dumbass. The weathermen didn't major in science degrees. They majored in mass comm and just regurgitate what the real scientists tell them too. And I also find it ironic that you of all people are making fun of someone else's job.

"Well shiiieeett looks like big Big bubba is whoopin n hollerin agin! somebody done go get da tranquilizer!"

Moron. No one is making fun of a career choice...it was making fun of sheeple like you that would rather follow members of other sheeple who make 17 page threads about mundane shit like the weather.

Don't feel bad though--I already knew you were a fuckin' moron...this only reinforces that.

[Axe Murderer]

Nothing makes me more happy then getting shit wages, being able to abuse innocent inmates, then getting reamed up the ass by big Tim on a daily basis!

[boutons_deux]

Only Advanced Degree-Holders Saw Wage Gains In Last Decade

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/WageChart1.jpg

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/09/20/323385/chart-wage-gains-education/

[DMC]

Only Advanced Degree-Holders Saw Wage Gains In Last Decade

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/WageChart1.jpg

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/09/20/323385/chart-wage-gains-education/

On average.

Fortunately no one here is the average.

[mavs>spurs]

shit never cools down, ever ^