Which one will...

[Yonivore]

...bring him down?

Green for Green?

NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME PLAYERS (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/09/not-ready-for-prime-time-players.php)


The Solyndra scandal exploded yesterday with the Washington Post story (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-pushed-500-million-loan-to-solar-company-now-under-investigation/2011/09/13/gIQAr3WbQK_story.html) on the White House emails produced to the congressional committee investigating the affair. Deep into the story the Post reports: “In August 2009, e-mail exchanges between Energy Department staff members pointed out that a credit-rating agency predicted that the project would run out of cash in September 2011. Solyndra shut its doors on the final day of August.”

More Solyndra: DoE Let Taxpayers Take Backseat to Obama’s Buddy Investors in Bankruptcy (http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2011/09/14/more-solyndra-doe-let-taxpayers-take-backseat-to-obamas-buddy-investors-in-bankruptcy/)


The news is coming in fast and furious on the Solyndra scandal, which is now looking like it may become one of the prime campaign issues in 2012. In addition to the revelation that the Obama administration pressured the OMB to approve the loan guarantees to Solyndra in order to preserve Vice President Biden’s photo op, more details are coming out about the Solyndra’s collapse, and it looks increasingly like this was one of the most crooked government boondoggles ever. The details are so bad, the mainstream media is now giving them extensive coverage. I’ll give you the conclusion up front: when it was obvious in February 2011 that Solyndra was going to go under and someone was going to take a financial bath, the Obama administration ensured that friends and donors of Barack Obama were protected while the American taxpayers were left out to dry.

Solyndra Not Sole Firm to Hit Rock Bottom Despite Stimulus Funding (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/15/despite-stimulus-funding-solyndra-and-4-other-companies-have-hit-rock-bottom/)


At least four other companies have received stimulus funding only to later file for bankruptcy, and two of those were working on alternative energy.

Fast and Furious?

3 more murders linked to Gunwalker (http://nation.foxnews.com/fast-and-furious/2011/09/15/three-more-murders-linked-gunwalker)


Weapons linked to ATF's controversial "Fast and Furious" operation have been tied to at least eight violent crimes in Mexico including three murders, four kidnappings and an attempted homicide.

According to a letter from U.S. Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich to Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) and Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), the disclosed incidents may be only a partial list of violent crimes linked to Fast and Furious weapons because "ATF has not conducted a comprehensive independent investigation."

or, the latest outrage attached to this administration...

GPS-gate

White House Pressure for a Donor? (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/09/15/lightsquared-did-white-house-pressure-general-shelton-to-help-donor.html)


The four-star Air Force general who oversees Air Force Space Command walked into a highly secured room on Capitol Hill a week ago to give a classified briefing to lawmakers and staff, and dropped a surprise. Pressed by members, Gen. William Shelton said the White House tried to pressure him to change his testimony to make it more favorable to a company tied to a large Democratic donor.

LightSquared says it’s near breakthrough in nationwide wireless network (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/sep/14/virginia-company-nears-breakthrough-in-nationwide-/)


The hearing will examine claims from the GPS industry that the LightSquared network — which uses a portion of the radio frequency spectrum adjacent to the one used by GPS devices - will interfere with the receivers used in its products, such as in-car navigation systems. The subcommittee also will hear from defense officials about any potential impact on military GPS navigation systems, such as those used in smart bombs.

At a congressional hearing this month, the government official in charge of maintaining the GPS system expressed concern about the impact of LightSquared’s planned network.

“LightSquared’s proposed system would create harmful interference [with GPS devices] throughout all three phases of its planned deployment,” Anthony Russo, director of the National Coordination Office for Space-Based Positioning, Navigation, and Timing, told the House Science Committee.
I think it's way past time for the question, "What did the President know and when did he know it."

:corn:

[CosmicCowboy]

Prepare to be blasted. It simply can't be possible that Obama and friends did anything wrong.

[clambake]

of course there could be involvement.

[hater]

how is this different from Haliburton?

[Yonivore]

how is this different from Haliburton?
What'd Halliburton do?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Prepare to be blasted. It simply can't be possible that Obama and friends did anything wrong.

"Headwinds"

[hater]

What'd Halliburton do?

http://www.socialistappeal.org/usa/halliburton_scandal.html


In the latest in the long line of corporate scandals involving the Bush Administration, Halliburton, the energy giant formerly run and still largely influenced abd controlled by Vice-President Dick Cheney, has announced that it will repay the US government over $27.4 million after it was discovered that it had grossly overcharged for the meals it supplies to the US military in Iraq. This follows on the heels of the discovery of bribery on the part of Halliburton agents who overcharged the military $6.3 million for fuel delivered to bases in Iraq and Kuwait. These glaring cases of graft and bribery may seem outrageous, but they are only the tip of the capitalist iceberg – just business as usual for US imperialism. These kinds of practices are in no way unique to Halliburton, or even the Bush Administration. The interconnections between capital and the state run deep, not just in George W. Bush’s America but in all capitalist countries.

The overcharging discovery involves Kellog, Brown & Root, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Halliburton. In a controversial “no-bid” contract, KBR was awarded a total of $8 billion to provide laundry, food supply, and build bases for the US military in Iraq. This also includes $1.2 billion to restore production in the southern Iraqi oil fields. It just so happens that Vice-President and major Halliburton stock-holder Cheney was directly involved in the awarding of rebuilding contracts in Iraq! That is not to say that only Halliburton got a share – so did major Bush-backer Bechtel, the construction firm, and of course a Texas-based company by the name of Exxon-Mobil.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Socialist appeal, huh?

[hater]

its a serious unbiased question. remember I am rooting for Mitt

[Yonivore]

http://www.socialistappeal.org/usa/halliburton_scandal.html


In the latest in the long line of corporate scandals involving the Bush Administration, Halliburton, the energy giant formerly run and still largely influenced abd controlled by Vice-President Dick Cheney, has announced that it will repay the US government over $27.4 million after it was discovered that it had grossly overcharged for the meals it supplies to the US military in Iraq. This follows on the heels of the discovery of bribery on the part of Halliburton agents who overcharged the military $6.3 million for fuel delivered to bases in Iraq and Kuwait. These glaring cases of graft and bribery may seem outrageous, but they are only the tip of the capitalist iceberg – just business as usual for US imperialism. These kinds of practices are in no way unique to Halliburton, or even the Bush Administration. The interconnections between capital and the state run deep, not just in George W. Bush’s America but in all capitalist countries.

The overcharging discovery involves Kellog, Brown & Root, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Halliburton. In a controversial “no-bid” contract, KBR was awarded a total of $8 billion to provide laundry, food supply, and build bases for the US military in Iraq. This also includes $1.2 billion to restore production in the southern Iraqi oil fields. It just so happens that Vice-President and major Halliburton stock-holder Cheney was directly involved in the awarding of rebuilding contracts in Iraq! That is not to say that only Halliburton got a share – so did major Bush-backer Bechtel, the construction firm, and of course a Texas-based company by the name of Exxon-Mobil.
So, they're being brought to justice? Are you suggesting the Bush administration has anything to do with the wrongdoing?

And, I don't understand how the wrongdoing by Halliburton compares with the obvious involvement of the current administration in Solyndra, Fast and Furious, and now, the GPS scandal.

[CosmicCowboy]

At least Haliburton was smart enough not to go bankrupt. And 27.4 million is peanuts compared to a 500 million UNSECURED loss.

[Yonivore]

At least Haliburton was smart enough not to go bankrupt. And 27.4 million is peanuts compared to a 500 million UNSECURED loss.
Solyndra is just the tip of the "Stimulus" iceberg on what's been lost...

[hater]

cool as long as it helps Mr. Mitt Romney :tu

[clambake]

get back to us when it hits the 9 billion dollar mark.

[boutons_deux]

"Haliburton was smart enough not to go bankrupt"

... no-bid Halliburton was not competing with anyone, was not in a commodity market, certainly not up against heavily subsidized Chinese mfrs who also have a -30% undervalued currency.

[cantthinkofanything]

"Haliburton was smart enough not to go bankrupt"

... no-bid Halliburton was not competing with anyone, was not in a commodity market, certainly not up against heavily subsidized Chinese mfrs who also have a -30% undervalued currency.

well, that's an opinion anyway

[CosmicCowboy]

"Haliburton was smart enough not to go bankrupt"

... no-bid Halliburton was not competing with anyone, was not in a commodity market, certainly not up against heavily subsidized Chinese mfrs who also have a -30% undervalued currency.

They knew ALL that before they borrowed and blew the 500 million.

[boutons_deux]

well, that's an opinion anyway

no, all facts

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Solyndra is just the tip of the "Stimulus" iceberg on what's been lost...

At least "1 million jobs" weren't.......

[boutons_deux]

They knew ALL that before they borrowed and blew the 500 million.

Other solar mfrs are not going bankrupt, some are even making money.

$500M wasn't lost since it did got into the non-banker economy.

An example of was really lost was 401K etc pension funds investing $100Bs of hard cash in Wall St and "losing" $10Bs of it. That cash went somewhere, and it wasn't into Main St pockets.

[cantthinkofanything]

no, all facts

well...you can believe that if you want

[xeromass]

From wiki:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/LightSquared

LightSquared controls 59 MHz of United States (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/United_States) spectrum (1525-1559 MHz) and received U.S. Federal Communications Commission (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Federal_Communications_Commission) (FCC) authorization in 2004 to use this L-Band spectrum to build its nationwide 4G-LTE wireless broadband network integrated with satellite coverage.
...
In June 2011, LightSquared unveiled a new plan for deploying its network which would use the lower frequency band of 1526-1536MHz (23MHz away from GPS) for the initial deployment and delay use of the upper band closer to GPS until a later date. They also proposed a 3dB reduction in the base station radiated power.

a)Hurray for Pentagon. They're worrying for months about spectrum allocated in 2004.

b)Who was in charge when problem was created?

[ElNono]

Is anybody going to be brought to justice for the trillion dollar war in Iraq that never found any WMD?

Or are they still translating the documents?

[Yonivore]

Is anybody going to be brought to justice for the trillion dollar war in Iraq that never found any WMD?
Literally tens of thousands of al Qaedans, Taliban, and Ba'athist regime loyalists, along with a procession of their despicable dictators and figureheads have been brought to justice. Jeeze!

[ElNono]

Literally tens of thousands of al Qaedans, Taliban, and Ba'athist regime loyalists, along with a procession of their despicable dictators and figureheads have been brought to justice. Jeeze!

I thought we went there for the WMD?

That's what Powell said in the UN anyways.

[Yonivore]

I thought we went there for the WMD?
You thought wrong. I suggest you re-read the AUMF in Iraq.

Here's a link (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ243/content-detail.html).


That's what Powell said in the UN anyways.
Well, that's part of what Powell said at the UN and, while I'll concede it was the most sensational and compelling, it wasn't all that was said.

[xeromass]

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to-- (1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and (2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.


Huh? No WMDs, no terrorist support, no threat.

[Yonivore]

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to-- (1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and (2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.


Huh? No WMDs, no terrorist support, no threat.
You overlooked the 23 specific articles the Congress itemized to show Iraq was a threat. WMDs were mentioned in only a couple and, then, in the context of Iraq's stonewalling the international efforts to take account of their WMD program.

As for terrorist support; I think it's unarguable that Saddam Hussein supported terrorists. Baghdad was a safe haven for Abu Nidal and other international terrorists. He also paid the families of suicide bombers. And, let's not forget the two terrorist progeny that came from his loins, Uday and Qusay.

But, I know it's not these terrorists to which you refer. And, the AUMF in Iraq never alleges Iraq is supporting al Qaeda. But, ask yourself, when the United States started raining down death and destruction on the terrorists and Taliban in Afghanistan, to where did al Qaeda flee?

[xeromass]

to where did al Qaeda flee?

Pakistan?

[ChumpDumper]

So where do you think the WMDs are?

And none of these will bring down Obama. Sorry you got your hopes up.

[ChumpDumper]

Pakistan?:lmao :tu

[ElNono]

You thought wrong. I suggest you re-read the AUMF in Iraq.

Here's a link (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ243/content-detail.html).

I know that AUMF well. As a matter of fact, it's based on a dated UN resolution that never authorized the use of force.

That's not what we went out there and told the world though. We told them Iraq had WMD.


Well, that's part of what Powell said at the UN and, while I'll concede it was the most sensational and compelling, it wasn't all that was said.

Oh, I watched the presentation. The supposed satellite pictures of 'mustard gas trucks' that never appeared. That's definitely why we went there for. The UN didn't find a breach of Iraq's obligations, thus the reason they did not authorize the use of force.

Maybe it's in the documents that are still being translated... :rolleyes

[ElNono]

But, ask yourself, when the United States started raining down death and destruction on the terrorists and Taliban in Afghanistan, to where did al Qaeda flee?

duh, Pakistan

[Wild Cobra]

Prepare to be blasted. It simply can't be possible that Obama and friends did anything wrong.
It's only wrong when someone else commits illegal acts. Democrats are entitled to.

[Wild Cobra]

http://www.socialistappeal.org/usa/halliburton_scandal.html


In the latest in the long line of corporate scandals involving the Bush Administration, Halliburton, the energy giant formerly run and still largely influenced abd controlled by Vice-President Dick Cheney, has announced that it will repay the US government over $27.4 million after it was discovered that it had grossly overcharged for the meals it supplies to the US military in Iraq. This follows on the heels of the discovery of bribery on the part of Halliburton agents who overcharged the military $6.3 million for fuel delivered to bases in Iraq and Kuwait. These glaring cases of graft and bribery may seem outrageous, but they are only the tip of the capitalist iceberg – just business as usual for US imperialism. These kinds of practices are in no way unique to Halliburton, or even the Bush Administration. The interconnections between capital and the state run deep, not just in George W. Bush’s America but in all capitalist countries.

The overcharging discovery involves Kellog, Brown & Root, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Halliburton. In a controversial “no-bid” contract, KBR was awarded a total of $8 billion to provide laundry, food supply, and build bases for the US military in Iraq. This also includes $1.2 billion to restore production in the southern Iraqi oil fields. It just so happens that Vice-President and major Halliburton stock-holder Cheney was directly involved in the awarding of rebuilding contracts in Iraq! That is not to say that only Halliburton got a share – so did major Bush-backer Bechtel, the construction firm, and of course a Texas-based company by the name of Exxon-Mobil.
Have any unbiased sites that will agree with this socialists lies?

How many other people here do you think approve of the place this article is from?

Socialist Appeal (http://www.socialistappeal.org/)

[Wild Cobra]

"Haliburton was smart enough not to go bankrupt"

... no-bid Halliburton was not competing with anyone, was not in a commodity market, certainly not up against heavily subsidized Chinese mfrs who also have a -30% undervalued currency.
The only no bid I am aware of was for repairing pipelines, which Halliburton designed, built, and had the spare parts and blueprints for. Even if the only other corporation (French) capable of doing the job was given bidding rights, they would not be ably to underbid Halliburton. they didn't have the blueprints or spare parts on hand.

As for supplying the military, these contracts were already in place.

Please do some fact checking.

[Wild Cobra]

I thought we went there for the WMD?

That's what Powell said in the UN anyways.
Aren't you tired of using that lame line, as if it was the only reason we went?

Grow up.

If you want to focus on just that aspect of it, read these, and the associated source material.

Full text of Colin Powell's speech (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/feb/05/iraq.usa)

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1441)

[ChumpDumper]

Aren't you tired of using that lame line, as if it was the only reason we went?

Grow up.It was the only reason that mattered and you know it.

[Wild Cobra]

It was the only reason that mattered and you know it.
Bullshit.

It's the only one that matters to liberals, because if you accept the truth of the others, you have to admit president Bush had cause to start the war.

[boutons_deux]

"as if it was the only reason we went"

It was The Big Lie, the primary reason, the Powell-to-UN reason to get UN approval (Repugs don't hate the UN when it give them OK to invade other countries), and of course it was a pretext for the oil. All the other reasons were also Big Lies.

WC's sacred military was abused and trashed and wasted by the Repugs, and still he defends the Repugs.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Literally tens of thousands of al Qaedans, Taliban, and Ba'athist regime loyalists, along with a procession of their despicable dictators and figureheads have been brought to justice. Jeeze!

So yoni supports an administration that lied to him..but now wants to complain about a federal loan program? Did Yoni show any outrage when 9 billion came up missing in Iraq?

So in the event the administration made a bad loan, so what? I'm not happy about it but with all of the nation building we are doing I find it hard for those who whored the war to complain about govt spending in general.

Are they STLL translating the documents ?

[George Gervin's Afro]

It was the only reason that mattered and you know it.

Chump your wrong. We went because they were an iminent threat with drones that could drop bombs on the US within 45 minutes. We also went to Iraq because of 9/11.


Gotta go, I need to get back to complain about a govt loan ...

[scott]

Is the Daily Show the only intellectually honest "news" show out there?

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-september-15-2011/that-custom-tailored-obama-scandal-you-ordered-is-finally-here?xrs=share_copy

[hater]

Chump your wrong. We went because they were an iminent threat with drones that could drop bombs on the US within 45 minutes. We also went to Iraq because of 9/11.


:lol what?

[Yonivore]

Pakistan?
In part. Zarqawi (remember him?) fled to Iraq and strengthened AQI -- that's al Qaeda in Iraq for the intentionally ignorant who claimed for the longest time they didn't exist.

Al Qaeda was in Iraq before President Bush invaded. Another reason to invade yet, it didn't make the list of 23 Congress laid out.

[Yonivore]

I know that AUMF well. As a matter of fact, it's based on a dated UN resolution that never authorized the use of force.

That's not what we went out there and told the world though. We told them Iraq had WMD.
Actually, most of the UNSC resolutions mentioned in the AUMF in Iraq authorized all means to enforce the provisions of the resolution. They were permissive. I'm not sure to which UNSC resolution you're referring though.


Oh, I watched the presentation. The supposed satellite pictures of 'mustard gas trucks' that never appeared. That's definitely why we went there for. The UN didn't find a breach of Iraq's obligations, thus the reason they did not authorize the use of force.
That's your takeaway. Yes, WMD's were a large factor in making the case for the invasion but, only an incurious, disinterested person would think that was the only reason.

When the AUMF was passed, it was in the news for several days. I distinctly remember news accounts covering the human rights abuses, Oil for Food corruption, draining the wetlands, shooting on our forces in the no-fly zone, continued threats to Kuwait, running citizens through plastics shredders, providing safe haven to the world's most notorious terrorists, paying the families of suicide bombers, throwing the inspectors out in 1998, and pretty much non-stop bluster for over a decade from Hussein.

I also remember Salman Pak and now we know, Zarqawi fled there from Afghanistan.

Can't help if you don't pay attention.


Maybe it's in the documents that are still being translated... :rolleyes
I wonder what happened to that program...

[George Gervin's Afro]

Actually, most of the UNSC resolutions mentioned in the AUMF in Iraq authorized all means to enforce the provisions of the resolution. They were permissive. I'm not sure to which UNSC resolution you're referring though.


That's your takeaway. Yes, WMD's were a large factor in making the case for the invasion but, only an incurious, disinterested person would think that was the only reason.

When the AUMF was passed, it was in the news for several days. I distinctly remember news accounts covering the human rights abuses, Oil for Food corruption, draining the wetlands, shooting on our forces in the no-fly zone, continued threats to Kuwait, running citizens through plastics shredders, providing safe haven to the world's most notorious terrorists, paying the families of suicide bombers, throwing the inspectors out in 1998, and pretty much non-stop bluster for over a decade from Hussein.

I also remember Salman Pak and now we know, Zarqawi fled there from Afghanistan.

Can't help if you don't pay attention.


I wonder what happened to that program...



.." WMD's were a large factor in making the case for the invasion but, only an incurious, disinterested person would think that was the only reason"

Really, the 'imminent threat' charges, or the 'mushroom cloud' scenerios had nothing to do with people questioning the rationale? Rummy told us we knew where the wmds were...yet Yoni want's to impeach Obama for crimes!

From photos of 'mobile bio labs' to Iraq having drones ' that could reach the shores of the US in 45 minutes' or what about the aliminum tubes used as further proof of an active wmds program ..to only find out later that the administration was told they couldn't have been used for waht they claimed..

I guess my incuriousity got the best of me.. your such a lying piece of crap..