France in final VS Espana!!!!

[le13]

France won tonight against Russia 79-71.:downspin:

TP 22pts 4 steals 3 assists:whine
Batum 19pts 7 rebonds

Great game by both teams.

They have also won a direct ticket for the Olympics games!:king

Now it is time for the final against Espana:ihit

[Pauleta14]

Batum 19pts 7 rebonds



+ 4 assits and 2 blocks...

When he is mentaly ready, this guy is scray good...

[mathbzh]

+ 4 assits and 2 blocks...

When he is mentaly ready, this guy is scray good...

Shooting 6/8 (3/5 from 3)

[Ghjkll]

Batum is only 23, so he has room to improve...He is a good defender, long range shooter and has good physical atributes. I wish the Spurs could have him in their roster, instead of RJ :depressed.

[endrity]

The Spurs have De Colo, he's also been very impressive at this Eurobasket

[will_spurs]

Parker and Batum like to play together so much, and are so complementary. The Spurs should offer just about anything to the Blazers for Batum.

[Pauleta14]

the spurs should offer just about anything to the blazers for batum.


+1000000000

[lefty]

Joakim is clearly France's MVP

BY FAR

[romain.star]

Joakim is clearly France's MVP

BY FAR

There's no MVP BY FAR in this team.

Parker, Batum and Noah are the Big 3 of the team supported by a great bunch of role players (de Collo, Diaw, Traore, Pietrus...)

And if a MVP had to be chosen, it'd be Parker w/o any hesitation

Si tu étais au moins drôle dans tes posts, tu serais peut être autre chose qu'un troll un peu merdique

[lefty]

There's no MVP BY FAR in this team.

Parker, Batum and Noah are the Big 3 of the team supported by a great bunch of role players (de Collo, Diaw, Traore, Pietrus...)

And if a MVP had to be chosen, it'd be Parker w/o any hesitation

Si tu étais au moins drôle dans tes posts, tu serais peut être autre chose qu'un troll un peu merdique

J essayais pas d'etre drole, tocard

Je donnais juste avis

[Lady M]

J essayais pas d'etre drole, tocard

Je donnais juste avis
tu détestes tellement TP que tu ne peux pas etre objectif
Noah Batum ou De Colo ont sorti des matchs qui ont permis à la France d'avancer mais le seul MVP de l'équipe c'est TP

[sonic21]

finally!! after all those SF lost in the past

p.s. noah's sister and pietrus's wife are hot. :tu

[lefty]

tu détestes tellement TP que tu ne peux pas etre objectif
Noah Batum ou De Colo ont sorti des matchs qui ont permis à la France d'avancer mais le seul MVP de l'équipe c'est TP

J'adore Parker




Mais je hais Conley

[boutons_deux]

what time San Antonio time? where to watch it? online?

[Bruno]

what time San Antonio time? where to watch it? online?

1pm
ESPN3

[Bruno]

The France/Russia game:
4qvg_5M9BUo

[milkyway21]

J'adore Parker Mais je hais Conley
Go France !!

[spurs10]

You'd think this would be shown on ESPN or ESPN2 television......??

[lefty]

You'd think this would be shown on ESPN or ESPN2 television......??

Why?

[spurs10]

Why?
Yeah, I realize a Fiba Eurobasketball Final is not going to compete with Nascar on a Sunday afternoon. It will likely be the last we see of any of these NBA players for a long time. Should be a great game...

[Dex]

They showed the FIBA Americas championship games on ESPN2. I figured they'd be showing the FIBA Europe championship games, too....but apparently there were bigger tickets in the lineup.

[itzsoweezee]

The France/Russia game:
4qvg_5M9BUo

Lol @ the little kid losing his gum on the Batum dunk in the 4th

[Dex]

Lol @ the little kid losing his gum on the Batum dunk in the 4th

:lol I noticed that too. Then he goes right after it.

[itzsoweezee]

You'd think this would be shown on ESPN or ESPN2 television......??

I read that it'll be showing on ESPN2, tape delayed, at 930pm (i think that's pacific time).

[romain.star]

J essayais pas d'etre drole, tocard

Je donnais juste avis

si ton avis consiste à dire que Noah est sans conteste le MVP de la France lors de cet Euro, permets moi de te dire que ton avis est merdique

[Lady M]

Lol @ the little kid losing his gum on the Batum dunk in the 4th

it's Florent Pietrus's son

[lefty]

si ton avis consiste à dire que Noah est sans conteste le MVP de la France lors de cet Euro, permets moi de te dire que ton avis est merdique

Wow

Quel comeback pathétique :lmao

[DMC]

oui :lmao

[itzsoweezee]

damn i'm hyped for this game. go france

[eric365]

I don't see the France team winning :depressed

[velik_m]

Go France!

[itzsoweezee]

Batum will shut down Navarro. The question is, can the French bigs slow down the Gasols.

[itzsoweezee]

Tony's finally got a big man who can dunk off the pick and roll.

[Lukor]

Tony's finally got a big man who can dunk off the pick and roll.

Tyson Chandler?

[eric365]

France losing 1st quarter as usual

[eric365]

Ibaka with the Gasols is not fair

[itzsoweezee]

The France backcourt cannot allow themselves to get outplayed by Navarro and Calderon. It's unacceptable.

[mudyez]

german commentators bitching about spain, coz they are talking and talking and talking

[itzsoweezee]

Fucking scrub ass Rudy Fernandez.

[mudyez]

fernandez arguing about the foulcall??? :O

[mudyez]

german comentators just calling rudy an absolute idiot! ...love it!

[mudyez]

bring in floyd mayweather to shake hands with rudy!!!

[itzsoweezee]

Batum is a bad motherfucker. Gotdamn

[eric365]

Diaw killing the France comeback

[lil_penny]

is there a place to stream this?

[TDMVPDPOY]

score bitches?

[bbarry]

52-41 spain.

[ElNono]

Ibaka plays for Spain? WTF?

[itzsoweezee]

Batum's going to have to take over this game.

[mudyez]

not sure if thats really spain...they play like italian soccer idiots!

[mudyez]

Ibaka plays for Spain? WTF?

yeah, thats stupid...and kaman for germany (and so on and on)...

I'll trade you manuel neuer + miroslav klose + sebastian schweinsteiger
for
chris paul + eric gordon + tyson chandler!

deal?

[itzsoweezee]

Haha, Rubio is garbage. Lol at this guy being Minnesota's savior.

[nevetslc]

is there a place to stream this?

ESPN3.com has a live HD stream of all these games.

[mudyez]

Haha, Rubio is garbage. Lol at this guy being Minnesota's savior.

best thing: they say his defense is his biggest strength...and thats true...sadly for him

book it...kevin love is gone soon!

[lil_penny]

ESPN3.com has a live HD stream of all these games.

thanks:toast

[widowmaker]

It seems like the outcome of this game was pre determined before it even started. Half of the French team in foul trouble lol.

[Bruno]

As expected, Spain was the better and deeper team. Congrats to them, this Eurobasket was a cakewalk for them.

FNT can be proud of what they have done this summer. Great success with a silver medal and a trip to London next year. It was a lot of fun to follow them.

[Bruno]

Eurobasket 1st team:
McCalebb, Parker, Navarro, Kirilenko, Pau Gasol

MVP: Navarro

[ElNono]

I see Tony wasn't even the best PG in the game. Hard to win when that happens. Big leap for Team France though. They'll be ready for the Olympics.

[eric365]

Yes it was great to follow them during almost 2 month of good bball.
They could not have done more with this team.

It helped a lot with no nba in sight.

[Bruno]

And Parker was great this summer, especially in the leadership area.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

Parker was robbed. Definitely the best player over the course of the tournament.

[Cane]

If these stats are accurate (http://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/European%20Championships/2011/0918_ESP_FRA.asp) then like in the playoffs, Tony Parker's turnovers was again a problem. He led the game with 5 turnovers and only had 5 assists. But like the playoffs his team also was manhandled by the opposing frontcourt :downspin:

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I see Tony wasn't even the best PG in the game. Hard to win when that happens. Big leap for Team France though. They'll be ready for the Olympics.

*shudders at flashbacks of the Grizzlies series*

[Bruno]

Haters gonna hate. Pathetic. :td

[Cane]

*shudders at flashbacks of the Grizzlies series*

:depressed

[pass1st]

Rubio is one of the worst Euroleague players I have seen. He is a complete scrub. He was easily the worst rotation point guard in Euroleague.

The fascination and hype with him is totally bizarre.

He would be MVP in Greece

[Lady M]

Rubio is one of the worst Euroleague players I have seen. He is a complete scrub. He was easily the worst rotation point guard in Euroleague.

The fascination and hype with him is totally bizarre.

Rubio was great at 15 but he never progress

[endrity]

^ I feel the same. I saw him early on and I was mesmerized by the talent he displayed at Joventud. I don't know what happened to him, whether he lost confidence, didn't work hard enough or what, but he's actually regressed. His defense is still there, and so is his passing at times but he's not the player I fell in love with.

[SplitterHook]

Rubio is one of the worst Euroleague players I have seen. He is a complete scrub. He was easily the worst rotation point guard in Euroleague.

The fascination and hype with him is totally bizarre.

Hey man, I agree with you here...

Anyway, did greece qualify for the olympics?

[lefty]

I see Tony wasn't even the best PG in the game.

Of course not

[Pauleta14]

I see Tony wasn't even the best PG in the game. Hard to win when that happens. Big leap for Team France though. They'll be ready for the Olympics.

Did you watch the game?

Tony could have had 10 ast had some of his teamates converted some of the many easy dunks/shots they had.
+ Tony has a bigger role than a classic PG, he is also is the main scorer and is always the primary focus of the opposite team...

Spain has SO MANY weapons, it's impossible to focus on 1 or 2 of them...


If these stats are accurate (http://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/European%20Championships/2011/0918_ESP_FRA.asp) then like in the playoffs, Tony Parker's turnovers was again a problem. He led the game with 5 turnovers and only had 5 assists. But like the playoffs his team also was manhandled by the opposing frontcourt :downspin:

:sleep

[SplitterHook]

hey guys, I know it's a dumb question but can anyone tell me if the bball superpower - greece - qualified for the olympics?

[pass1st]

hey guys, I know it's a dumb question but can anyone tell me if the bball superpower - greece - qualified for the olympics?

You mean the Greek-American team? Nah, not yet. Word has it from Greek media that the final team will be composed of the GOAT Greek players (which are actually goats).

[Pero]

Team USA invented using foreign born players, because they were not good enough to win medals with their own USA born players.
:lol

[ElNono]

Did you watch the game?

No. Just going by the boxscore.

If the guy in front of your torched your ass, then there's something going on there.

That said, Navarro must've played out of his mind if he was the tourney MVP

[ElNono]

Team USA invented using foreign born players, because they were not good enough to win medals with their own USA born players.

How many Olympic gold medals did the Greek-American win?

[eric365]

No. Just going by the boxscore.

If the guy in front of your torched your ass, then there's something going on there.

That said, Navarro must've played out of his mind if he was the tourney MVP

Navarro was the Spain's SG and was defended by Batum.
TP's matchup was Calderon.

[endrity]

Navarro was outstanding the in elimination phase. 26, 35, 27 points in the last three games, that's a lot in Fiba competitions and for a team as deep as Spain.

[Ginobilly]

Navarro was outstanding the in elimination phase. 26, 35, 27 points in the last three games, that's a lot in Fiba competitions and for a team as deep as Spain.

Is Juan Carlos Navarro (along with Ray Allen and Dirk) one of the best pure shooters in the world? I would love to have on the Spurs backing up Manu and Tony. Anybody know his contract his situation?

[Cane]

Navarro was the Spain's SG and was defended by Batum.
TP's matchup was Calderon.

Calderon was on the court for 24 mins but considering TP played 39 mins he probably ended up defending more than just Calderon. Anyway both of those players put up pretty good boxscores: Calderon was 7-9 from the field for 17 pts, 4 steals, 1 turnover, 2 assists :wow ...and Navarro was the friggin MVP.

[Bruno]

Is Juan Carlos Navarro (along with Ray Allen and Dirk) one of the best pure shooters in the world? I would love to have on the Spurs backing up Manu and Tony. Anybody know his contract his situation?

Navarro isn't interested in going back to the NBA. Forget it.

[eric365]

Calderon was on the court for 24 mins but considering TP played 39 mins he probably ended up defending more than just Calderon. Anyway both of those players put up pretty good boxscores: Calderon was 7-9 from the field for 17 pts, 4 steals, 1 turnover, 2 assists :wow ...and Navarro was the friggin MVP.

Navarro is the SG. Not the PG. he hasn't played one minute at the PG position

When Calderon was out, Ricky Rubio played against TP and was completely trash.

Anyway keep hating on TP without even watching the game. Nothing new here.

[Bruno]

Navarro is the SG. Not the PG. he hasn't played one minute at the PG position. (...)

I've been on ST for 6 years and there is a little advice:
Don't waste your time arguing with these blind Parker haters.

Whatever you can say, it won't change their mind and they will continue to trash Parker. In this case, everyone that has looked at his whole summer with FNT knows how good he has been this year and they come looking at a boxscore to trash him. That's laughable, so just laugh at them.

[Cane]

Navarro is the SG. Not the PG. he hasn't played one minute at the PG position

When Calderon was out, Ricky Rubio played against TP and was completely trash.

Calderon's minutes + Rubio's = 31. Parker played a total of 39 mins. I never said he defended the MVP but he definitely defended more than just those guys and Calderon still put up great numbers. Rubio's definitely been sucking ass though.




Anyway keep hating on TP without even watching the game. Nothing new here.

With pleasure. Dude's been a pretty big disappointment for the past two years now but I don't think anyone predicted them to have a shot at Spain anyway.

Did you watch the game?

[Cane]

I've been on ST for 6 years and there is a little advice:
Don't waste your time arguing with these blind Parker haters.

Whatever you can say, it won't change their mind and they will continue to trash Parker. In this case, everyone that has looked at his whole summer with FNT knows how good he has been this year and they come looking at a boxscore to trash him. That's laughable, so just laugh at them.

:cry

[lefty]

:cry
:lol

[ElNono]

Navarro was the Spain's SG and was defended by Batum.
TP's matchup was Calderon.

Thanks. Didn't know who played point. I'll try to watch the game when I have some time.

It's obvious that Spain was going in as the more solid team, and that France had a great tournament and looking for the upset. There's no shame in losing to Spain, so not sure where the :cry is coming from.

It's actually hilarious after many years to see frenchies going :madrun whenever anybody even suggests some sort of critique towards Tony.

Not much different than the CoM of yesteryear, tbh

Why can't we all get along and just bash the greek? :lol

[lefty]

Why can't we all get along and just bash the greek? :lol
:lol Greece
:lol Italy

[pass1st]

Steve Kerr
Rony Seikaly
Patrick Ewing
Hakeem Olajuwon
Dominique Wilkins
Kyrie Irving
Carlos Boozer

Team USA invented using foreign born players, because they were not good enough to win medals with their own USA born players.

1. Hakeem, Ewing and Wilkins were the only players that had an impact on the national team.

2. Seikaly sucked

3. All of Europe sucked until 2000, college players could win it.

4. Greece used 3 foreign players at the same time and probably started them.

5. You're admitting Greece used foreign help and Peja is not Greek by using that argument.

[velik_m]

Calderon's minutes + Rubio's = 31. Parker played a total of 39 mins. I never said he defended the MVP but he definitely defended more than just those guys and Calderon still put up great numbers.

Sada is Spain's third pg.

[Brazil]

It's actually hilarious after many years to see frenchies going :madrun whenever anybody even suggests some sort of critique towards Tony.

Not much different than the CoM of yesteryear, tbh

Why can't we all get along and just bash the greek? :lol

It's actually hilarious to bash just on based on boxscore and to pick up the stat lines of a player that not has been defended at all by TP (see Cane).

Point is TP has been playing great during the whole competition, period. The CoM has no more work on ST as finally the Ginobili haters are quite which is great because Manu is one of a kind.

[ElNono]

I take back the "not the best PG in the game" then. I thought Navarro did PG duties, not Calderon. I still need to watch the game, although I hate watching the Spanish NT. They're good players and play well, but there's also an air of entitlement to some of them that I have a hard time putting up with.

[TimmehC]

Wasn't Navarro going against De Colo for most of the game? Not exactly a world-class defender.

[ElNono]

How was De Colo in this tournament? I only watched part of the game against Italy and he didn't play much IIRC.

[lefty]

How was De Colo in this tournament? I only watched part of the game against Italy and he didn't play much IIRC.
I don't know

[TimmehC]

How was De Colo in this tournament? I only watched part of the game against Italy and he didn't play much IIRC.

He had some good games, including dominating Greece, but was terrible in the final. Not that dominating Greece is all that hard to do...

[Bruno]

Nando has been misused by the coach for the biggest part of the summer. His task was to be spot up shooter while he has never been that kind of player. What is even worse is that he has been in a shooting slump for a year. It was a recipe for failure.

In the middle of the Eurobasket, FNT backup PGs (Albicy and Tchicamboud) sucked and Gelabale sprained his ankle. These events have allowed Nando to play more and more his natural role (in the Ginobili mold). Results have been mostly positives with some good or great games against Lithuania, Greece and Russia.

For next year, Collet should rebuid Cholet backcourt with Nando and Beaubois.
First unit: Parker, Gelabale, Batum, Diaw, Noah.
Second unit: De Colo, Beaubois, Mike Pietrus, Florent Pietrus, Turiaf.
Utility players: Bokolo and Traoré.
:smokin

[Cane]

It's actually hilarious to bash just on based on boxscore and to pick up the stat lines of a player that not has been defended at all by TP (see Cane).

I did "bash" Parker's turnovers/assists but I also made note of a similar weakness that his Spurs team had as well - both frontcourts got manhandled. Was that too much?

You'd also be wrong about the statline; the stats I put up was by a player that TP defended and he still had a relatively impressive statline nonetheless - Mr. Jose Calderon.

But its not like Tony Parker was ever known for his defense anyway.

[Cane]

Why can't we all get along and just bash the greek? :lol

After all this time I think thats what he wants :downspin:

[Pauleta14]

For next year, Collet should rebuid Cholet backcourt with Nando and Beaubois.
First unit: Parker, Gelabale, Batum, Diaw, Noah.
Second unit: De Colo, Beaubois, Mike Pietrus, Florent Pietrus, Turiaf.
Utility players: Bokolo and Traoré.
:smokin

So Seraphin???

He still makes a lot of defensive mistakes (no more than Traoré) but add 1 more year of experience, he has GREAT hands and a hughe body!

I don't know who's place he takes though...

[ElNono]

Nando has been misused by the coach for the biggest part of the summer. His task was to be spot up shooter while he has never been that kind of player. What is even worse is that he has been in a shooting slump for a year. It was a recipe for failure.

In the middle of the Eurobasket, FNT backup PGs (Albicy and Tchicamboud) sucked and Gelabale sprained his ankle. These events have allowed Nando to play more and more his natural role (in the Ginobili mold). Results have been mostly positives with some good or great games against Lithuania, Greece and Russia.


That's good news. Thanks.

With Splitter being somewhat of a disappointment in FIBA Americas, at least it's good to know other prospects did well.

[Bruno]

So Seraphin???

He still makes a lot of defensive mistakes (no more than Traoré) but add 1 more year of experience, he has GREAT hands and a hughe body!

I don't know who's place he takes though...

Diaw, Florent Pietrus, Noah and Turiaf are locks to make the team at PF/C. Behind them, there will have one spot available. For the moment, I'm going with Traoré because he is the best scorer and the rest of the frontcourt is offensively challenged.

Now, it's sure that Olympics games are in 1 year and a lot will depend on what happens next year. Séraphin or Mahinmi could take Traoré spot. On the perimeter players like Diot, Kahudi or even Fournier could take one spot.

[Brazil]

I did "bash" Parker's turnovers/assists but I also made note of a similar weakness that his Spurs team had as well - both frontcourts got manhandled. Was that too much?

You'd also be wrong about the statline; the stats I put up was by a player that TP defended and he still had a relatively impressive statline nonetheless - Mr. Jose Calderon.

But its not like Tony Parker was ever known for his defense anyway.

:lol

you know what I actually watched the games and I tell you Parker played some very good basketball during this euro and he played some very good defense too.


Spanish front court would dominate most of nba teams front court btw, when you are pg playing behind that kind of interior force make your life a little bit easier.


Anyway you haven't seen one single game so youre venting on nothing but yeah we agree

:lol Greece
:lol Italy

[Cane]

:lol

you know what I actually watched the games and I tell you Parker played some very good basketball during this euro and he played some very good defense too.

Spanish front court would dominate most of nba teams front court btw, when you are pg playing behind that kind of interior force make your life a little bit easier.

Being defended by Tony Parker helps too :toast I guess its good to hear that he played well in the rest of the games but not enough for this one. I don't think anyone thought France would really win against Spain though including homers. Spain's frontcourt is too great of an advantage and their backcourt is more than serviceable in the Euro's but probably not so much in the NBA.




Anyway you haven't seen one single game so youre venting on nothing but yeah we agree

:lol Greece
:lol Italy


True like others in this thread I didn't watch but I had to correct ya about my "bashing". Carry on.

[Pauleta14]

Being defended by Tony Parker helps too :toast I guess its good to hear that he played well in the rest of the games but not enough for this one.



He actually was good enough, the supporting cast wasn't...

None of us are saying he was Magic or anything, just that he was really good and that from a spurs fan perspective, it's nice to see his progress (in term of leadership for instance).

If you don't watch the games, at least learn how to read a boxscore. You keep mensioning his 5TO for example, but you forget to notice his 4ST! and it goes on..

You're pathetic, not because you don't agree with me, because even hidden behind your computer you still don't assume you opinion/hate... :lol

[ElNono]

el nono has never seen European basketball.

I've watched some, not particularly Spain lately. The NBA is just much more superior.

Do you get to watch much Euro basketball in Houston?


How many did Spain win? How many did France win?

USA won gold medals, so their alleged cheating paid off.

When is it going to pay off for the Greek-Americans?

[ElNono]

2. Seikaly sucked


Seikaly was raised in Greece

Makes sense, IMO crofl

[ElNono]

:cry :cry :cry Yeah it paid off for Argentina too, using all those players whose parents came from Italy.:cry :cry :cry

:lol Why are you mad that all Argentina's players are born and raised in Argentina?

Argentina has pride and would never play an American-born player.
And what does the Greek-American have to show for their cheating? :lol

[ElNono]

Yeah, Seikaly sucked so much in the NBA that he averaged 15-17 points and 10-12 rebounds for 5 straight seasons.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/seikaro01.html

What did he ever win in the NBA?

He coattailed the dream team in barcelona for a gold medal.

tbh, that's what players that have played in Greece have to do to win one.

[ElNono]

Greek League > Argentine League > NBA

NBA >>>>>>>>>>>> Spain > Russia > NBDL > Italy > France > Argentina >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greece

[mathbzh]

Diaw, Florent Pietrus, Noah and Turiaf are locks to make the team at PF/C. Behind them, there will have one spot available. For the moment, I'm going with Traoré because he is the best scorer and the rest of the frontcourt is offensively challenged.

Now, it's sure that Olympics games are in 1 year and a lot will depend on what happens next year. Séraphin or Mahinmi could take Traoré spot. On the perimeter players like Diot, Kahudi or even Fournier could take one spot.

I agree.
Some players will probably not be available, so it is probably too early to think about who will make the team.

But, the problem is that even with Turiaf, our frontcourt will not make it against Spain. I we want to go to the next level, our bigs need to step up big time.

Noah should be better with more FIBA experience and Turiaf will certainly help. But we will need more.
If one of Traoré/Seraphin/Mahinmi does not improve drastically, no matter who Collet will pick.
My two cents is Seraphin will make the team.

One thing I am worried about is the impact of the lockout.
Diaw (and maybe Turiaf) for instance is supposed to play in the French Pro B... this is not good IMHO... I can't see him being in shape and ready for big games if he is to stroll in the Pro B for the whole season.

[ElNono]

:lol no medal
:lol no olympics (yet)
:lol no pride
:lol cheating and still losing
:lol Macedonia >>>>>>>>> Greece
:lol Greek-Americans

[ElNono]

Why are you mad that Argentina can't produce any players of its own and has to pilfer them all from European countries like Italy and Germany?

Why are you mad that Argentina's cheating and using European players makes up basically their entire national team?

Where were they born?

[ElNono]

Argentina:

:lol stealing the kids of European families because they can't win a medal with local players
:lol can't produce any home grown local talent
:lol a team made up almost entirely of Italians
:lol "Italian-Argentines"

:lol Argentina won olympic gold medal with all Argentina-born players
:lol Argentina won olympic bronze medal with all Argentina-born players
:lol Argentina won Worlds gold medal with all Argentina-born players
:lol Argentina is in the Olympics with all Argentina-born players
:lol Argentina just won more gold with all Argentina-born players
:lol Greece
:lol never won an olympic medal
:lol never won gold at the worlds
:lol using American-born players and still failing
:lol using German money to play and still failing

[ElNono]

Italy and Germany mostly. Their passports, birth certificates are not even real and everyone knows it.

:lol "everyone knows it"
:lol bitter
:lol always kicked in the ass by Argentina
:lol not good enough
:lol not in the olympics
:lol no medal for Greek-Americans

[ElNono]

Argentina coat tailed all those European kids to their medal in 2004. That's what Argentina has to do to win a medal. Take the kids of European families.

At least they were all born in Argentina.

Where was Peja born?

[ElNono]

:lol"Italiano Argentine" national team
:lolcan't produce any home grown players for the national team
:lolhave to steal them all from Europe

:lol all home grown
:lol all Argentina born and raised
:lol mad about Argentina >>>>>>>>> Greece

Where was Peja born?

[ElNono]

Almost all of Argentina's players were born in Germany and Italy. Some in Spain, some in Poland.

You're lying. Prove it.


Just like Turkey, their national team is full of fake birth certificates and fake passports. FIBA has never even denied it. They just try to ignore it. Just like they do with all the fake "Turkish" players.

Where was Peja born? Answer the question.

[ElNono]

:lmao

[ElNono]

:lol bitter
:lol embarrassed
:lol liar
:lol broke
:lol still no medal
:lol still no olympics
:lol Peja still born in Serbia

[pass1st]

Editing their wikipedia page and changing place of birth doesn't make it true. Argentina used their own players, Greece used Americans like you.

[ElNono]

Argentina's players were almost all born in Italy and Germany idiot. This is common knowledge and only the biggest dumb asses around are not aware of it.

:lmao

lol son, you're maaaaaaddddd

:lmao fake passports

[Bruno]

But, the problem is that even with Turiaf, our frontcourt will not make it against Spain. I we want to go to the next level, our bigs need to step up big time.

Noah should be better with more FIBA experience and Turiaf will certainly help. But we will need more.
If one of Traoré/Seraphin/Mahinmi does not improve drastically, no matter who Collet will pick.
My two cents is Seraphin will make the team.


Agree, even at full strength, France won't be as good as Spain but they would be significantly closer. Turiaf would have helped inside against the Gasols, Bokolo could have slow down Navarro, Beaubois could have bring some scoring form the bench, Pietrus and a healthy Gelabale would have also help the team.

A realistic goal for the Olympics is to be the third best team behind Spain and USA. If they are healthy, they have a real shot at getting the bronze medal.

To be at the level of Spain, France will need to have a bigman good on both sides of the court. Noah, Turiaf and Florent Pietrus suck on Offense. Traorés sucks on Defense. Diaw is Diaw.
Séraphin and Mahinmi are the best canddidate sot be that good 2 way bigman. Like you, I would give an edge on Séraphin even more because he will play in Spain during the lockout and these young bigs need to play. Ajinça is also worth keeping an eye on because of his huge upside.

[Cane]

He actually was good enough, the supporting cast wasn't...

None of us are saying he was Magic or anything, just that he was really good and that from a spurs fan perspective, it's nice to see his progress (in term of leadership for instance).

If you don't watch the games, at least learn how to read a boxscore. You keep mensioning his 5TO for example, but you forget to notice his 4ST! and it goes on..

Uh....unless this boxscore was wrong (http://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/European%20Championships/2011/0918_ESP_FRA.asp), it was the guy that Parker defended that had 4 steals, not Tony. You might want to rethink your boxscore comment. Did you watch the game? Perhaps some didn't get counted but the numbers are what they are.

Why the hell would you even mention Magic. As a Spurs fan its not good that TP still has problems with turnovers and Jose lit up the court with his shooting but to each their own.

And if you'd notice my turnover comment also made note of how both the Spurs and French frontcourt got manhandled so it wasn't all about the infamous Tony Parker.



You're pathetic, not because you don't agree with me, because even hidden behind your computer you still don't assume you opinion/hate... :lol

Like several others in this thread I am not a fan of Tony Parker and never claimed otherwise. I'm not a master of English either but you and that other Frenchie (Brazil?) need to work on your reading comprehension. I had to correct both of you guys, pathetic.

Carry on bashing Greece.

[will_spurs]

Even the most uneducated people know that Argentina's sports systems use fake documents to bring in players from Italy and Germany to compete for their "national" teams.

You must be one of the "most uneducated" to believe that... as I explained in another thread, they don't even need to do that: anybody can notice that most players from Argentina are also citizens of Spain or Italy, through their ancestry (they only have to apply for citizenship to get it), which opens the doors of the European market for them. They were still born and raised in Argentina, though.

In any case, this is about France and Spain, not Greece.

[will_spurs]

A realistic goal for the Olympics is to be the third best team behind Spain and USA. If they are healthy, they have a real shot at getting the bronze medal.

To be at the level of Spain, France will need to have a bigman good on both sides of the court. Noah, Turiaf and Florent Pietrus suck on Offense. Traorés sucks on Defense. Diaw is Diaw.
Séraphin and Mahinmi are the best canddidate sot be that good 2 way bigman. Like you, I would give an edge on Séraphin even more because he will play in Spain during the lockout and these young bigs need to play. Ajinça is also worth keeping an eye on because of his huge upside.

The guys that are the core of this team as far as I'm concerned are Parker, Noah, Batum and Gelabale. I don't include Diaw because he's just so lazy and scared that I often think the team would be better without him on the floor. Against Spain he again passed on open shots, which lead to either contested shots for his teammates, or to difficult situations that ended in a turnover. He has flashes of brilliance, but not quite enough of them for the role he is given in the French NT.

Second tier players, who should get selected next year for the Olympics, are Flo Pietrus (invaluable on D), De Colo (very good as shooting guard, not so good as spot-up shooter) and Traoré (good offensive spark at times).

I really liked what Kahudi and Tchicamboud brought to the table. Séraphin and Albicy are still way too raw for this level. They seem to come into a possession with one play in mind, and can't adapt to the situation.

Hopefully Turiaf can play next year, he would bring a lot of energy. Pietrus could bring a bit more D, too. Not sure if any other should be invited at this stage.

[Brazil]

Like several others in this thread I am not a fan of Tony Parker and never claimed otherwise. I'm not a master of English either but you and that other Frenchie (Brazil?) need to work on your reading comprehension. I had to correct both of you guys, pathetic.

Carry on bashing Greece.

May you remember me what I misunderstood ? I think my reading comprehension is perfectly fine tbh.

:lol posting retarded comments on a competition you didn't even watch
:lol thinking Navarro played PG
:lol boxscore
:lol pathetic

[tenbeersbold]

:( Having to read posts about guys talking about slow non athletic euro teams

[pass1st]

Argentina's players were almost all born in Italy and Germany idiot. This is common knowledge and only the biggest dumb asses around are not aware of it.

Argentina and Turkey use fake documents for their players. Everyone knows it. But if the country says it, FIBA has to allow it.

It's the same with China using fake dates of birth.

It's shocking the lack of basic world knowledge you have. Even the most uneducated people know that Argentina's sports systems use fake documents to bring in players from Italy and Germany to compete for their "national" teams.

Then again you claimed Wikipedia as a trusted source for birth places, which shows your IQ cannot possibly be above 70.

:rolleyes a joke just flew right over your head, but hey you're a fellow American so I forgive you.

Prove Argentina players weren't born in Argentina.

[Cane]

May you remember me what I misunderstood ? I think my reading comprehension is perfectly fine tbh.

You wrote that I put TP's stat up against the MVP when in fact I put up the stats on the player TP defended. I already replied about it and you even wrote a reply to that reply; feel free to check yourself.

And now time to play the :lol game:




:lol posting retarded comments on a competition you didn't even watch

:lol your reading comprehension, but yea I gladly admit I didn't watch that crap :toast




:lol thinking Navarro played PG

:downspin:



:lol boxscore

:lol 5 turnovers and the boxscore



:lol pathetic

:toast



:( Having to read posts about guys talking about slow non athletic euro teams

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[lefty]

:lol"Italiano Argentine" national team
:lolcan't produce any home grown players for the national team
:lolhave to steal them all from Europe
:lol shitty homegrown Greek players

[pass1st]

A Greek an Italian and a Frenchman are walking down the street in a village and they see a goat that gets stuck on a fence

The Italian goes first “Oh, You don’t know what I would have done if that goat was Gina Lollobrigida

“You know what” goes the French “I was thinking the same thing but I was imagining Bridget Bordeaux”

The Greek looks at them as if they were crazy and he replies” Oh, You don’t know what I would have done if it was dark”

[lefty]

A Greek an Italian and a Frenchman are walking down the street in a village and they see a goat that gets stuck on a fence

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“You know what” goes the French “I was thinking the same thing but I was imagining Bridget Bordeaux”

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Brigitte Bardot :lol



Oh yeah

lol Greece
lol Italy