Best WR in the league?

[Ari Gold]

Who is it

[djohn2oo8]

http://images.picturesdepot.com/photo/a/andre_johnson-3150.jpg

[dirk4mvp]

Calvin Johnson

[LnGrrrR]

The two answers above are the only acceptable ones. Either Megatron or Andre Johnson.

[Bill_Brasky]

Calvin Johnson

This

[DeadlyDynasty]

Even though Andre's from The U, I gotta go with Megatron here for his 1300yds and 12 tds on an 0-16 team.

[Blake]

Fitz is pretty good

[Spursfan092120]

I'm going with Andre personally..dude is just ridiculous.

[LakerHater]

“No. I’m not the best (laughs),” he said. ” … There’s a lot of great guys out there, man. I’m a fan of the game. You look at … I’m a big fan of Calvin. Calvin Johnson. Right now, I would probably say he is the best.”

[Trainwreck2100]

No doubt Johnson is the best

[djohn2oo8]

Even though Andre's from The U, I gotta go with Megatron here for his 1300yds and 12 tds on an 0-16 team.

You also have to look at how many years Andre had David Carr throwing him the ball, and how his game elevated once he got a decent QB.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'd still take Andre ######beast Johnson because Calvin staying healthy is still a question mark.

If he has another healthy season then I'll take him over AJ.

[pawe]

http://journeyintothefuture.blog.com/files/2011/09/273_thumbzoom.jpg

[HarlemHeat37]

1. Calvin Johnson
2. Andre Johnson
3. Larry Fitzgerald
4. Greg Jennings
5. Brandon Marshall

[Xsatyr]

Andre Johnson, beast. :ihit

[TIMMYtoZO]

How is Hakeem Nicks not in the top 5? He is better than Marshall and Jennings. Calvin and Andre Johnson along with Fitz I can understand.

[stretch]

The two answers above are the only acceptable ones. Either Megatron or Andre Johnson.

um, Fitz?

[DeadlyDynasty]

MegatronPERIOD.

[DPG21920]

I know he's still young, but Wallace is fun to watch. Calvin is the man, but I'd be thrilled with Andre as well.

I'm really interested in how Julio Jones develops.

i1W41hplqZo

Coolest thing all year.

[DeadlyDynasty]

JJ finally broke out this week with 6/115. Too bad I just traded him for Shonn Greene though...

[LakerHater]

I know he's still young, but Wallace is fun to watch. Calvin is the man, but I'd be thrilled with Andre as well.

I'm really interested in how Julio Jones develops.

i1W41hplqZo

Coolest thing all year.
I asked this question bout a week ago!

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5411807&postcount=155

I made a GIF for someone that week, noone responded here so I left it alone... Here it is any way!!

http://i54.tinypic.com/2ij46fm.jpg

[badfish22]

Really tough to make a decision, varies week to week.
Fitzgeralds catch against double coverage this week was nuts. But Calvin took a huge shit on Minnesota.

[scott]

I'd say Andre simply because he steps up and beats the fuck outta shit talking CBs on in the middle of the field

[DPG21920]

I asked this question bout a week ago!

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5411807&postcount=155

I made a GIF for someone that week, noone responded here so I left it alone... Here it is any way!!

http://i54.tinypic.com/2ij46fm.jpg

:lol That catch was so sick I almost spit my beer up. I hope we get to see some of that in real time. He did break out last game and he just has the physical tools to beast. We'll see if he can put it together.

[LnGrrrR]

um, Fitz?

Once he gets a QB who can actually deliver the ball to him, he can be in the conversation.

[pawe]

Once he gets a QB who can actually deliver the ball to him, he can be in the conversation.

He already has one.
Problem is, whoever is calling the plays for his team is an enormous dickhead.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'd still take Andre over anyone else. If he stays completely healthy this year then probably Calvin.

I used to think Schaub was a good QB and not at fault for the Texans' issues, but watching that Saints game he was clearly afraid of the moment in the 4th quarter.

[dirk4mvp]

Marshall is going unnoticed here. Tbh he's probably the best after the catch player in football. He's in a really shitty situation in Miami tho.

[DPG21920]

Marshall is tight, but I can't put him up there. Even in bad situations, he should be scoring more TD's.

[dirk4mvp]

Did you see the mia/ne game? Marshall should've had 2 or 3 tds but due to Bennett being a slightly better Curtis Painter, he couldn't hit Marshall.

Like when Miami still had a chance late, some of his fade throws were legendary bad.

[DPG21920]

I agree but the best in the game would find ways to break runs into the end zone IMO.

[Jose Canseco]

http://i54.tinypic.com/2ij46fm.jpg

If there's an NBA season, put him in the dunk contest. He'd do better than Shannon Brown.

[Jose Canseco]

I'd still take Andre over anyone else. If he stays completely healthy this year then probably Calvin.

Calvin Johnson is pretty much always going to deal with little injuries. Back issues in his rookie year. Then a knee injury couple years ago. Then his shoulder last year. The type of injuries simply that football players get because of the physicality of the sport. Calvin gets hit hard because he does go up the middle. He's usually double covered and takes a lot of hits because of that. And he does make acrobatic catches where he'll land and compromise his body. I wouldn't be surprised if he continues to get little injuries here and there. But he has also played through most of them. I think he's only missed 3 games in his first 4 seasons.

From a fantasy football point of view, he probably isn't a guy you can rely on consistently to give you 8-10 catches and 100+ yards every game. He'll score. He's already got 6 TDs in 3 games. He's definitely a scoring target in the red zone. But a lot of guys might put up better statistics than him, especially because it seems like Stafford likes to spread the ball a lot and has the weapons to do so this season. But if you're just talking about what guy you would want on your team not only to make big catches but to be that constant threat to force defenses to change the way they have to play just to account for him, I'm not sure who is better than Calvin. Marshall might be better after the catch. Fitzgerald might have better hands. A guy like Desean Jackson is faster. Granted I don't watch much Texans football so I don't see Andre Johnson much. But watching Calvin, I can't imagine a more complete wideout in terms of what he offers. If it's not based purely on statistics, really can't go wrong with Calvin.

[Girasuck]

How is Hakeem Nicks not in the top 5? He is better than Marshall and Jennings. Calvin and Andre Johnson along with Fitz I can understand.

Quit being a homer. Nicks might break a top 10 list but there's no way he's top 5 material.

[benefactor]

I used to think Schaub was a good QB and not at fault for the Texans' issues, but watching that Saints game he was clearly afraid of the moment in the 4th quarter.
In Schaub's very limited defense...he did take them down for a score to retake the lead in the 4th. He just left too much time for Brees. He had another shot and blew it.

That 4th quarter personifies Schaub. He's had his moments where he looks like he could channel some clutchness but it seems like he offsets those with equally bad moments. I don't know what to think. It's big ass catch-22, because 4000yd QB's aren't just laying around waiting to be picked up.

[DeadlyDynasty]

The Lions were down 20-0 at the half, and Megatron brought them back with ridiculous catches that ultimately won them the game. Instead of just racking up meaningless fantasy numbers on a shit team, he's actually become a clutch WR who's winning games for his team--The Tampa game is another example of this.

When you put that much skill and ability (great speed, ups, footwork, and hands) into that freakish body, it's just not fair.

[Bill_Brasky]

It's definitely megatron. You can't cover this guy.

Fdd_e-ax2t4

[DBryant88]

Best vertical reciever- L-Fitz
Best YAC reciever-A. Johson
Best Breakaway Reciever-G. Jennings/D. Jackson
Best Overall-C. Johnson
Best 35+ reciever- D. Driver
Most overrated Reciever- Any Giant minus victor cruz

[slick'81]

Yeah ill go ahead and take calvin johnson

[stretch]

Best vertical reciever- L-Fitz
Best YAC reciever-A. Johson
Best Breakaway Reciever-G. Jennings/D. Jackson
Best Overall-C. Johnson
Best 35+ reciever- D. Driver
Most overrated Reciever- Any Giant minus victor cruz

hi faggot

why the name change?

[DBryant88]

hi faggot

why the name change?

cuz homo, barber's in chicago

[DPG21920]

That is what I'm saying about Marshall, Dirk. Look at that video. While Marshall is very good, he just doesn't find ways to score. Even with a bad QB he's getting the yards, but he never punches it in or wills his way to the endzone like CJ.

[dirk4mvp]

I forgot when I said I'd take Marshall over CJ.

[dirk4mvp]

Best vertical reciever- L-Fitz
Best YAC reciever-A. Johson
Best Breakaway Reciever-G. Jennings/D. Jackson
Best Overall-C. Johnson
Best 35+ reciever- D. Driver
Most overrated Reciever- Any Giant minus victor cruz

Crofl Jennings over mike Wallace in that category.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

crofl Donald Driver being on anyone's list

[tlongII]

http://www.freep.com/article/20110927/SPORTS01/110927046/ESPN-s-Cris-Carter-Calvin-Johnson-good-not-elite

ESPN's Cris Carter: Calvin Johnson is good but not elite


Calvin Johnson is slowly changing Cris Carter's opinion, but the ESPN analyst said during a radio appearance today that the Detroit Lions star still isn't an elite wide receiver.


“I believe there’s really four elite wide receivers,” Carter said on the Mike and Mike show. “That would be Greg Jennings, Roddy White, Larry Fitzgerald and Andre Johnson. Those guys separated themselves over the course of the last several years from the other receivers.


“Now, Calvin Johnson is playing the best football of his career. He’s getting single coverage now, he’s beating single coverage. He had double coverage in the red zone; him and (quarterback Matthew) Stafford have great chemistry together. He is playing at a top-five level, but before this season, he wasn’t better than those other four guys.”


Carter didn't rank Johnson among his top six receivers during a radio segment this summer. He said today DeSean Jackson, one of the players he initially put ahead of Johnson, "really shouldn’t have been in" his list.


Johnson leads the NFL with six touchdown catches through three games and made a highlight-reel 40-yard over-the-shoulder grab to set up Jason Hanson’s winning field goal in Sunday’s overtime victory over the Minnesota Vikings.


“He’s starting to come into his own, which he should be,” Carter said. “He should be coming into his prime, and he’s only going to get better. He’s a phenomenal player.”


Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford tweeted today: "Does anyone think 8 tds in 4 weeks will change chris carters mind about an 'elite' receiver? #megatron."


Carter also said he isn’t surprised by the Lions’ 3-0 start, based on their schedule and their offensive firepower. The Buffalo Bills and Green Bay Packers are the NFL’s only other unbeaten teams.


“Matthew Stafford is a really talented thrower of the football,” Carter said. “Last year, we really got Aaron Rodgers, especially down the stretch and in the playoffs, but there’s not a lot of quarterbacks that can throw the ball better than Matthew Stafford can. If he can stay healthy, they’re going to score a lot of points.”


:lmao

[HarlemHeat37]

I put Marshall in my top 5 list, I stand by it, but he's been pretty shitty this season, tbh..he has missed some notable RZ opportunities..his problem is that he loses interest when the situation annoys him, which is obviously the case in Miami, as he has a horrible QB and a losing team..

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Cris Carter is a fucking idiot. He has CJ as his 10th best WR, behind guys like DeSean and Holmes.

[IronMexican]

I had to check the date of that article. What a retard.

He always says dumb things only a dumb black former athlete would say.

[tlongII]

Personally I think Fitz and CJ are the best at the position. Possibly put Andre in there too.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I think you're splitting hairs between the three of them. Personally, I'd take CJ because he is a TD machine and virtually unstoppable in the red zone.

[slayermin]

Calvin Johnson

[Heath Ledger]

CJ and it's not even close.

[Blake]

Welker and it's not even close

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Davone Bess and it's not even close

[LnGrrrR]

Torrey Smith and it's not even close.

[DBryant88]

if thats the case then im goin with Braylon Edwards

[Jose Canseco]

Terrell Pryor and it's not even close?

[JoeTait75]

http://www.freep.com/article/20110927/SPORTS01/110927046/ESPN-s-Cris-Carter-Calvin-Johnson-good-not-elite

ESPN's Cris Carter: Calvin Johnson is good but not elite

Kind of like Cris Carter during his playing days?

[Spurs rock]

Greg Jennings.

[pawe]

Tim Teb:woww

[DBryant88]

Drew Brees. The L.T. to Brees combo was the most lethal passing attack in NFL history

[DeadlyDynasty]

The debate is over.

http://sull.tv/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/calvin_johnson_detroit_lions.png

[DPG21920]

Dirk might want to take that Marshall hype else where is well. He's not even top 5.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Megatron beat triple coverage for a TD like it was child's play :lol

[DPG21920]

The QB argument has some merit, but Marshall, if he was truly top 5 would be doing way more than he does.

[DeadlyDynasty]

The QB argument has some merit, but Marshall, if he was truly top 5 would be doing way more than he does.

I like Marshall a lot, but he never scores...

[Trainwreck2100]

it's johnson no doubt

[DPG21920]

Not just that, he doesn't beat double & triple teams like the other top guys either.

[Blake]

Welker and it's not even close

[Jose Canseco]

Did Rob Ryan really say Calvin Johnson would be the third best receiver on the Cowboys?

Really Rob? Why would you even say that anyway?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Not just that, he doesn't beat double & triple teams like the other top guys either.
This. If you double or triple team Marshall, he stops running hard routes, stops trying to get open, and then eventually stops caring when he goes awhile without getting the ball.

A guy creeping back from the dead into the elite WR conversation is Steve Smith but his stats haven't produced any wins for his team.

[DPG21920]

Ya, but you can't just look at stats. The league has become way more superficial and it's almost like arena football now. Everyone is chucking 400 yards and td's like nothing. It's not really indicative of talent IMO.

Watch how guys are when things aren't going well. Watch what they do when they are doubled and in a close game, not playing from behind all the time.

[dirk4mvp]

:lol a football opinion by dpg

[DeadlyDynasty]

Did Rob Ryan really say Calvin Johnson would be the third best receiver on the Cowboys?

Really Rob? Why would you even say that anyway?

Calling out Megatron:lol

[DPG21920]

:lol a football opinion by dpg

My football > yours which is sad bc you love it :lol

Dirk wrong bout dat Marshall

wrong bout rivers

[Spursfan092120]

I'm changing my vote...after what he did to my team....it's this guy

http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/1770225/480/Sports-Renders/Calvin-Johnson.png?v0

[tlongII]

Detroit plays Green Bay on Thanksgiving. That should be fun.

[Brutalis]

Calvin Johnson

[DeadlyDynasty]

Cris Carter and Rob Ryan are eating dog shit at the moment.

[dirk4mvp]

:lol dpg trying to claim Marshall isn't an elite talent

:lol dpg making football posts and opinions

:lol dpg posting in the nfl forum

[Sean Cagney]

Megatron! Period.

[DPG21920]

:lol dpg trying to claim Marshall isn't an elite talent

:lol dpg making football posts and opinions

:lol dpg posting in the nfl forum


:lol Getting pwnd by someone who doesn't care about football

:lol Trying to act like you're smart by bringing up Marshall in a top WR convo when he's not even top 5

:lol Having GNSF level opinions on WR's and QB's and getting crominated by DPG in the NFL forum and beyond

[DPG21920]

"Hey bro's what about Marshall, can't forget about det guy who puts up all those yards and no scores and can't beat the thought of a double team!"

[dirk4mvp]

I'm not even the first person to bring up Marshall in this thread, retard.

[dirk4mvp]

"Hey bro's what about Marshall, can't forget about det guy who puts up all those yards and no scores and can't beat the thought of a double team!"

This is coming from the midget who wonders why Miami doesn't get Marshall the ball more.

[DPG21920]

Bangs, what does that have to do with anything. Just because I wonder why MIA doesn't get him the ball more for my fantasy team, doesn't make him elite. That's just a plain shitty argument there sons. Getthefockoutta her with dat.

[dirk4mvp]

Make that argument fit.


You've already shown to have average opinions in other areas (music and movies to name a few), this doesn't need to go any further with you scattering your average football opinions all over Greg's board.

[DPG21920]

Does it make you mad that you pour your heart and soul into football and you are so wrong still? :lol

Let's take your argument (Marshall is elite) vs mine (he is good but not elite because he doesn't score td's or beat doubles or try hard all the time) and put it on a neutral board and see who wins.

[dirk4mvp]

Cool. The loser has to grow 6".

[DPG21920]

Short jokes show your knowledge :lol

[dirk4mvp]

I agreed to it...

[DPG21920]

So do work. Be sure to post the awesome argument of "you asked why MIA doesn't throw him the ball more, so you must think he is elite".

[dirk4mvp]

Do you think bringing to light there the contradicting point you made about that makes it any less shitty of a statement?

[LakerHater]

Hasnt Marshall been targeted like 40 times & caught like 15 with 250 & 1 TD??

[DPG21920]

:lol Thinking that is contradicting. Maybe you should focus less on shit football takes and more on understanding what contradicting actually means. :lol

[DPG21920]

"Hey, we should grab a burger sometime"

"Dude, you think burgers are a top 5 food?! :lol :lmao :rollin"

[dirk4mvp]

double posting

under his skin

[DeadlyDynasty]

Marshall was elite w/ Cutler (and Orton) as his QB, imho. Hard to be elite with Chad Henne and Matt Moore manning the ship.

[Blake]

New England Patriots receiver Wes Welker is on pace for 160 receptions, which would be an NFL record.

He's also on pace for 2,464 yards, which would also be a league record.

So how does he do it? How does a player who isn't a burner and isn't big in size make it all happen?

It helps that he plays with Tom Brady.

It also helps that he's an amazing route runner with the smarts to adjust to any type of coverage.

I wanted to find out if there were any secrets to how the Patriots get Welker open. So I studied the Oakland game and evaluated his nine catches to see how they got him free.

Are there tendencies? Not many. I will say this, he looks much more comfortable lining up on the left side of the formation. Having said that, he made plays from the right side as well.

.......

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/15695743/after-further-review-watching-the-wonder-of-welker

[Bill_Brasky]

Welker vs Revis is gonna be so fuckin cash to watch.

[dirk4mvp]

system player, gettin his system on in college and the pros.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Continues to be one of the most overrated players in the NFL. Tom Brady's 2009-esk dependence on Welker this season will once again be the Patriots' undoing.

[Monostradamus]

Continues to be one of the most overrated players in the NFL. Tom Brady's 2009-esk dependence on Welker this season will once again be the Patriots' undoing.

tbh i don't know. I think part of the reason Welker has so many catches/yards/targets this season is because Ohsostinko has been such an abject failure. Branch has been streaky his entire career in NE, and with Hernandez out, it's getting tougher for Gronk too. Last week Brady really didn't have anywhere else to go with the ball besides Welker. If Gronk/Hernandez stay healthy, I wouldn't worry too much about Brady over-relying on Welker.

[Blake]

Continues to be one of the most overrated players in the NFL.

underrated, imo

[Silver&Black]

this is a tough 1. For me...it's probably Andre Johnson. I wouldn't take anybody over him when it's 10 seconds to go and I need a hail mary.

But...if it's 2nd Quarter...3rd and 3-5....give me Wes Welker any day of the week.

Split out- Andre Johnson
Slot- Wes Welker

[joshdaboss]

Calvin Johnson is clearly the best receiver in the NFL. He's like Prime Randy Moss right now.

[stretch]

i love anus

[Bill_Brasky]

:lol being huge racists then turning around and not giving the white guy his due

[stretch]

lol tech homers

[Blake]

lol tech homers

It'll be a great Tech homer day when Wes Welker gets into the HOF.

[dirk4mvp]

:lol being huge racists then turning around and not giving the white guy his due

:lol mad cuz not everybody's jerking off to Wes welker

[stretch]

It'll be a great Tech homer day when Wes Welker gets into the HOF.

will it be as grand as when Graham Harrell gets in?

[Blake]

will it be as grand as when Graham Harrell gets in?

more like when UT nuthuggers watch VY lead his team to a Super Bowl title.

[stretch]

more like when UT nuthuggers watch VY lead his team to a Super Bowl title.

no need to change the subject

especially to a 100% guarantee of something that will happen

[Bill_Brasky]

:lol ut homers mad that wes >>>> shitley

:lol actually being a faggot and caring where someone went to school

[stretch]

:lol ut homers mad that wes >>>> shitley

:lol actually being a faggot and caring where someone went to school

actually i never once compared the two or even thought to compare the two

:lol tech

nuff said

although it could be worse



























aggie

[Axe Murderer]

lol why was joshdaboss banned?

[Bill_Brasky]

:cryI don't like Wes Welker cause he went to mean 'ol Tech!:cry



fuck the aggies

Agree.

[stretch]

lol why was joshdaboss banned?

:lmao

hilarious

because hes a faggot

[stretch]

Agree.

so apparently i dont like welker because he went to tech

but i like sam bradford, who went to Oklahoma

you win

[Bill_Brasky]

Why you like bradford so much? Hes been kinda terrible this year. Hopefully just a sophmore slump and a product of having 0 reliable receivers.

His protection is also shitty but really how many plays has he made this yr?

[Blake]

no need to change the subject

especially to a 100% guarantee of something that will happen

you brought up lol Harrell, not me, tbh.

[stretch]

you brought up lol Harrell, not me, tbh.

it was on the subject line of tech players, no UT players

[Blake]

it was on the subject line of tech players, no UT players

I thought you changed it to a 100% guarantee of something that won't happen.

[Blake]

Welker and it's not even close

[DPG21920]

Marshall just isn't elite. Between running out of bounds for no reason with no one in front of him and all the redzone drops (on very catchable throws) he just isn't there. More drops than any other receiver in the league over the past few years.

[Sean Cagney]

Marshall just isn't elite. Between running out of bounds for no reason with no one in front of him and all the redzone drops (on very catchable throws) he just isn't there. More drops than any other receiver in the league over the past few years.

The play where he ran out of bounds just did it for me as a Fins fan, wtf is he stupid or just tanking? He doesn't even care out there. He was elite, could be elite if he cared and caught the ball half the time :( I don't get that dude, he must be one of the dumbest players in the league with a ton of talent.

BTW wtf was he doing?