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mavs>spurs
10-04-2011, 12:57 AM
Tee, hee.



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/01/reports-hispanic-students-vanishing-from-alabama-schools-after-immigration/



BIRMINGHAM, Ala. – Hispanic students have started vanishing from Alabama (http://www.foxnews.com/topics/entertainment/music/country/alabama.htm#r_src=ramp) public schools (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/01/reports-hispanic-students-vanishing-from-alabama-schools-after-immigration/#) in the wake of a court ruling that upheld the state's tough new law cracking down on illegal immigration.
Education officials say scores of immigrant families have withdrawn their children from classes or kept them home this week, afraid that sending the kids to school would draw attention from authorities.
There are no precise statewide numbers. But several districts with large immigrant enrollments -- from small towns to large urban districts -- reported a sudden exodus of children of Hispanic parents, some of whom told officials they planned to leave the state to avoid trouble with the law, which requires schools to check students' immigration status.

The anxiety has become so intense that the superintendent in one of the state's largest cities, Huntsville, went on a Spanish-language television show Thursday to try to calm widespread worries.
"In the case of this law, our students do not have anything to fear," Casey Wardynski said in halting Spanish. He urged families to send students to class and explained that the state is only trying to compile statistics.
Police, he insisted, were not getting involved in schools.
Victor Palafox graduated from a high school in suburban Birmingham last year and has lived in the United States (http://www.foxnews.com/topics/u.s.htm#r_src=ramp) without documentation since age 6, when his parents brought him and his brother here from Mexico (http://www.foxnews.com/topics/mexico.htm#r_src=ramp).
"Younger students are watching their lives taken from their hands," said Palafox, whose family is staying put.
In Montgomery County, more than 200 Hispanic students were absent the morning after the judge's Wednesday ruling. A handful withdrew.
In tiny Albertville, 35 students withdrew in one day. And about 20 students in Shelby (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/01/reports-hispanic-students-vanishing-from-alabama-schools-after-immigration/#) County, in suburban Birmingham, either withdrew or told teachers they were leaving.
Local and state officials are pleading with immigrant families to keep their children enrolled. The law does not ban anyone from school, they say, and neither students nor parents will be arrested for trying to get an education.
But many Spanish-speaking families aren't waiting around to see what happens.
A school worker in Albertville -- a community with a large poultry industry that employs many Hispanic workers -- said Friday that many families might leave town over the weekend for other states. About 22 percent of the community's 4,200 students are Hispanic.
"I met a Hispanic mother in the hallway at our community learning center this morning, where enrollment and withdrawal happens. She looked at me with tears in her eyes. I asked, `Are you leaving?' She said `Yes,' and hugged me, crying," said the worker, who spoke on condition of anonymity because she was not an authorized spokeswoman.
In Russellville, which has one of the largest immigrant populations in the state because of its poultry plants, overall school attendance was down more than 2 percent after the ruling, and the rate was higher among Hispanic students.
There's "no firm data yet, but several students have related to their teachers that they may be moving soon," said George Harper, who works in the central office.
Schools in Baldwin County, a heavily agricultural and tourist (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/01/reports-hispanic-students-vanishing-from-alabama-schools-after-immigration/#) area near the Gulf Coast, and in Decatur in the Tennessee Valley also reported sudden decreases in Hispanic attendance.
The law does not require proof of citizenship to enroll, and it does not apply to any students who were enrolled before Sept. 1. While most students are not affected, school systems are supposed to begin checking the status of first-time enrollees now.
The Obama administration filed court documents Friday announcing its plans to appeal the ruling that upheld the law.
The state has distributed to schools sample letters that can be sent to parents of new students informing them of the law's requirements for either citizenship documents or sworn statements by parents.
In an attempt to ease suspicions that the law may lead to arrests, the letter tells parents immigration information (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/01/reports-hispanic-students-vanishing-from-alabama-schools-after-immigration/#) will be used only to gather statistics.
"Rest assured," the letter states, "that it will not be a problem if you are unable or unwilling to provide either of the documents."

m>s
10-04-2011, 01:47 AM
immigrants who are "legal" are more of a threat to our country then those illegal immigrants tbh. legal immigrants are being educated in colleges, they will graduate with degrees and deprive our own kids of all those decent jobs. if illegal immigrants should be deported, "legal" immigrants should too.

m>s
10-04-2011, 02:07 AM
just some simple facts here tbh, chinks are the fastest-growing group of immigrants these days and most of them come here LEGALLY, and i suppose their number will be growing even faster as the white-house idiots continue licking their yellow asses.

just feel free to shop @ wal-mart & donate your money to terrorists, and see how long it takes before dem chinks take our whole country over...

Wild Cobra
10-04-2011, 02:23 AM
immigrants who are "legal" are more of a threat to our country then those illegal immigrants tbh. legal immigrants are being educated in colleges, they will graduate with degrees and deprive our own kids of all those decent jobs. if illegal immigrants should be deported, "legal" immigrants should too.
We don't need racists like you, and we do need some legal immigration. If for nothing else, to piss racist assholes like you off.

New blood reminds those who are complacent here, how much better off we are than most the rest of the world. Sorry if someone who appreciates this nation makes you work harder. Apparently you don't appreciate this nation, and need that wakeup call.

Wild Cobra
10-04-2011, 02:24 AM
In reference to the OP, as more and more cities and states make an illegal status unwelcome, I wonder how many more problems the sanctuary cities will start having...

boutons_deux
10-04-2011, 04:49 AM
AL ag industry is now hurting and complaining, just like Georgia was and is along with any other state that chases off the illegals, because no red-white-blue patriotic unemployed Americans will do the dangerous, shitty ag work for shitty ag wages.

America is so fucked up on big issues like immigrants, health care, the MIC, jobs.

m>s
10-04-2011, 04:54 AM
there was a time when we needed immigrants but that time is long gone. immigrants who came here 2000 or later should all be labeled "illegal" imho. legal immigration makes just as little sense to me as "legal murder". the law just draws a stupid line to divide dem immigrants in two groups, one group legal and the other illegal when there ain't no actual difference between them.

and i don't think america today is still that great tbh, at this point of time maybe you can still say america is the best country of the world but you know it ain't lasting long if things continue to go on this way. america has been in decline since 2000 while some other nations on the opposite of the globe have been on rapid rise, america is leading but the gap is narrowing fast and im not sure who's gonna end up winning it at the end of day. for example china has sent quite a number of astronauts into the space the past few years and just a few days ago they lanuched a module for space station, do you think they could achieved all these w/o the stolen technologies from america?

plus i ain't no beaner hater as far as you're concerned, so don't point finger at me

Wild Cobra
10-04-2011, 05:19 AM
AL ag industry is now hurting and complaining, just like Georgia was and is along with any other state that chases off the illegals, because no red-white-blue patriotic unemployed Americans will do the dangerous, shitty ag work for shitty ag wages.

America is so fucked up on big issues like immigrants, health care, the MIC, jobs.
My God man...

There is no such thing as Utopia.

For all the social programs you want, we need more people to be self sufficient and paying taxes. If business cannot get people to work at the wages offered, then they must raise the wages.

Maybe...

Just maybe...

They will pay enough that these legal workers pay taxes instead of sponging off the system.

ChuckD
10-04-2011, 07:42 AM
My God man...

There is no such thing as Utopia.

For all the social programs you want, we need more people to be self sufficient and paying taxes. If business cannot get people to work at the wages offered, then they must raise the wages.

Maybe...

Just maybe...

They will pay enough that these legal workers pay taxes instead of sponging off the system.

My God man...

There is no such thing as Utopia.

Borat Sagyidev
10-04-2011, 09:02 AM
there was a time when we needed immigrants but that time is long gone. immigrants who came here 2000 or later should all be labeled "illegal" imho.





Just shut up. And you're basing this on what? The overwhelming demand and despite laws in place that people are willing to break to hire immigrants (illegal or legal) and outsource?

Heck one of the biggest GOP donors and funder of Swift Boat vets for "truth", Bob Perry hire more illegal immigrants than anyone in TX. Most conservatives would consider him a "patriot" and ignore his crimes.

There aren't enough young working people to fund baby boomer retirement via medicare, Social Security, 401k's profits etc. When Social Security started it was funded by 20 workers to 1 retiree, it will be 2 to 1 soon. It will fail.




america has been in decline since 2000 while some other nations on the opposite of the globe have been on rapid rise, america is leading but the gap is narrowing fast and im not sure who's gonna end up winning it at the end of day. for example china has sent quite a number of astronauts into the space the past few years and just a few days ago they lanuched a module for space station, do you think they could achieved all these w/o the stolen technologies from america?



Again you don't know what you're talking about.

It's great China is going into Space. The fact is that baby boomers have largely halted govt run manned spaceflight in this country with their excessive wants and demands. We can't even get into space anymore because these people ridiculously overpriced it all.

We have some private companies largely run by young people, that are VERY diverse (go figure) that are making some major headway into space.

www.spacex.com (http://spurstalk.com/forums/www.spacex.com)


Get outside the bingo hall, you might learn something.... Racist

mavs>spurs
10-04-2011, 11:13 AM
There aren't enough young working people to fund baby boomer retirement via medicare, Social Security, 401k's profits etc. When Social Security started it was funded by 20 workers to 1 retiree, it will be 2 to 1 soon. It will fail.

I think it's more like there aren't enough employed young people to fund that shit, considering we have a 45% unemployment rate

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/battered-downturn-young-americans-put-off-adulthood-160406776.html

mavs>spurs
10-04-2011, 11:13 AM
But lmao immigrant sympathizer. I don't think anyone would be against great minds and engineers working on the space program coming over here, it's the millions of others who come here who are unwanted. The beaners, the indians who come here and run convenience stores instead of them being run by white americans, the asians who come here and just get a finance degree or IT degree and work a middle class job that american citizens should occupy, etc. Pay the best scientists well to come here and fuck the rest IMO.

hitmanyr2k
10-04-2011, 11:39 AM
Any immigrant who comes here legally, learns to speak the language, works on developing a skill and puts it to good use gets no disdain from me. I like people who pick themselves up and become productive workers of society regardless of nationality. If certain disgruntled U.S. citizens can't keep up maybe they should be putting in the work to improve their skill set (and attitudes) instead of constantly complaining on a messageboard.

Borat Sagyidev
10-04-2011, 11:45 AM
But lmao immigrant sympathizer. I don't think anyone would be against great minds and engineers working on the space program coming over here, it's the millions of others who come here who are unwanted. The beaners, the indians who come here and run convenience stores instead of them being run by white americans, the asians who come here and just get a finance degree or IT degree and work a middle class job that american citizens should occupy, etc. Pay the best scientists well to come here and fuck the rest IMO.


Immigrant sympathizer? Unless you're a native American you are an immigrant.

Who says they are unwanted? You mean the white trash that has been given everything in life but can't compete? For some reason they keep getting hired and brought over, hmm. Often paid well. hmm.

I'd rather keep the immigrants and give them a shot and deport all the trash in this country into the Gulf (in a humanitarian manner of course).


While we're bashing immigrants, let's not forget to give a hand to noble southern white "American" achievemants.

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http://www.funnybeez.com/funnypictures/redneck-house-boat.jpg

mavs>spurs
10-04-2011, 11:47 AM
Be honest bro, what's your race? That will tell me a lot.

in2deep
10-04-2011, 11:52 AM
Be honest bro, what's your race? That will tell me a lot.

:lol racist needing more information

mavs>spurs
10-04-2011, 11:55 AM
Nah it's just that this guy is always pro immigration and anti white americans it makes me wonder hmm...

Not to mention he cries about white people not being able to compete, shit, this whole country was founded and made the greatest on earth by white people. I want to know where his retarded bias is coming from.

redzero
10-04-2011, 12:02 PM
Unless you're a native American you are an immigrant.
I'm sure they immigrated here, too.

Borat Sagyidev
10-04-2011, 01:35 PM
I want to know where his retarded bias is coming from.


History books written by white males. Duh. Manifest Destiny. You know the books calling Native Americans Savages, while those very some white people burned witches at the stake.


This is my retarded bias.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Y5X18HbVOMo/TbELZDCrP7I/AAAAAAAAAL4/d4Jq4xxHrJo/s1600/nj2.jpg

Borat Sagyidev
10-04-2011, 01:40 PM
I'm sure they immigrated here, too.


Yup, about 40,000 years ago, or 1200 generations . Unless you believe that the earth is only 5000 years old and humans and dinosaurs chilled together


http://listverse.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/adamevepterosaur.jpg

mavs>spurs
10-04-2011, 08:10 PM
Yeah you're an immigrant exactly.

DMX7
10-04-2011, 09:01 PM
Vanishing? They're David Copperfields!

Nbadan
10-04-2011, 09:45 PM
This is stupid. Education money is distributed by how many students are in class. No students, no money...costs for education meanwhile are fixed....teachers, administrators, specialists, coordinators all will get paid...whether there are 2 immigrants or 100 immigrants..

Nbadan
10-04-2011, 09:47 PM
immigrants who are "legal" are more of a threat to our country then those illegal immigrants tbh. legal immigrants are being educated in colleges, they will graduate with degrees and deprive our own kids of all those decent jobs. if illegal immigrants should be deported, "legal" immigrants should too.

So, Immigrants should keep themselves stupid and poor? There's no winning with some of you racist.

Nbadan
10-04-2011, 09:50 PM
just some simple facts here tbh, chinks are the fastest-growing group of immigrants these days and most of them come here LEGALLY, and i suppose their number will be growing even faster as the white-house idiots continue licking their yellow asses.

just feel free to shop @ wal-mart & donate your money to terrorists, and see how long it takes before dem chinks take our whole country over...

What the hell is a chink? If your gonna be derogatory in a public forum then state your real feelings.....don't go half racist....pussy.

mavs>spurs
10-04-2011, 11:00 PM
All you beaner defenders make me sick. It's not "racist" to not want them here..they are the racists. They come here and start up violent street gangs, they are the biggest narco terrorist state in the world and ship tons of drugs into this country. They don't respect this country's borders or its sovereignty. They teach their kids that America used to belong to them and this is rightfully their land. They are clannish and racist, sticking to themselves and very rude towards other races. You go in the mall and they just walk in front of you while you're looking at something like you're not even there. They will walk right in front of you so you have to suddenly stop like you don't exist and let their little brats run wild with no respect. Not to mention the little wannabe cholo's will stare and try to start shit with us niggas and even sometimes whites. They are openly against America and for Mexico and will be the first to let you know it whenever the 2 play eachother in soccer. They are here in America for all it's perks and benefits and to leach off the system, but their ungrateful allegiance is with Mexico. When they move into the neighborhood it is immediately overwhelmed with the stench of beans and awful music. Damn have a little courtesy and understand that the rest of the neighborhood doesn't share your culture and doesn't want to hear that awful shit. I've even heard them refer to themselves as Mexicans and call others "Americans" even ones who have lived their entire lives here. It's like damn be proud of your country, the one that puts a roof over your head and food on the table while allowing you to live safely and freely. Basically, you're anti american if you support the coddling of illegal aliens.

m>s
10-04-2011, 11:05 PM
This is stupid. Education money is distributed by how many students are in class. No students, no money...costs for education meanwhile are fixed....teachers, administrators, specialists, coordinators all will get paid...whether there are 2 immigrants or 100 immigrants..
they're free to show off their yellow asses in the classroom that ain't no problem but they'll all graduate with degrees and compete with your own kids for jobs thats what i've discerned. immigrants like arnold Schwarzenegger are good additions to this country and if my nigga dirk agrees to turn US citizen he'd be welcome too. there are elites in other nations i ain't denying it and i want em all to join US and to keep america great as fuck, but such elites don't grow on trees brother don't act like those "legal" immigrants are all great people like Schwarzenegger please

m>s
10-04-2011, 11:21 PM
maybe we still need some more immigrants to get done the shittiest works but you know what, they're all ILLEGAL immigrants who take those jobs while those "legal" immigrants are taking those decent jobs that would've otherwise been occupied by our own brothers and kids. it wasn't a big trouble in the 1990s i think the US had sufficient room to absorb them back then but it is a very different thing now when you have an unemployment rate as high as 45%. to make it worse, if you are a native graduate with a BA degree it doesn't guarantee you shit, however if you are a legal immigrant with a similar degree, i say in most cases you will end up finding a real good job but why? because there're so many immigrant-sympathizers in this country, licking immigrants' balls & discriminating against their own people

Nbadan
10-04-2011, 11:34 PM
It's not "racist" to not want them here.

May or may not be racist, but it is nationalist, and nothing good ever happened to a country that cut off immigration, especially legal immigration...that's the way countries die.

Nbadan
10-04-2011, 11:37 PM
unemployment rate as high as 45%

45% unemployment? :lol

...that would mean every other person is unemployed....unemployment maybe higher than the 9 avg, but nothing approaching 45...

Nbadan
10-04-2011, 11:40 PM
but they'll all graduate with degrees and compete with your own kids for jobs thats what i've discerned.

I'm all right with that as long as they pay their fare share of taxes.....we'll take care of our own...

mavs>spurs
10-04-2011, 11:40 PM
did you read the article? 55% of young people are unemployed. at least read the article or post some sort of proof with your rebuttal.

Nbadan
10-04-2011, 11:43 PM
if you are a native graduate with a BA degree it doesn't guarantee you shit, however if you are a legal immigrant with a similar degree, i say in most cases you will end up finding a real good job but why? because there're so many immigrant-sympathizers in this country, licking immigrants' balls & discriminating against their own people

If you work hard, display character, be ethical, and keep your nose clean you can make it in America too!

m>s
10-04-2011, 11:45 PM
May or may not be racist, but it is nationalist, and nothing good ever happened to a country that cut off immigration, especially legal immigration...that's the way countries die.
not saying cutting it off completely, u ain't never getting it done cos its just unfeasible. US just be giving away greencards too easily & blithely i must say, if you want to gain citizenship in china for example it'd be 1000 times harder. immigrants boosted our economy in the early 20th century but that time is long gone and we don't need that many of them now.

Nbadan
10-04-2011, 11:50 PM
did you read the article? 55% of young people are unemployed. at least read the article or post some sort of proof with your rebuttal.

....not like there are many employers looking to hire poor minorities....most minority owned businesses hire family....so what else is there? Your gonna get the same result with any ethnic group if there are no opportunities...

Nbadan
10-04-2011, 11:55 PM
not saying cutting it off completely, u ain't never getting it done cos its just unfeasible. US just be giving away greencards too easily & blithely i must say, if you want to gain citizenship in china for example it'd be 1000 times harder. immigrants boosted our economy in the early 20th century but that time is long gone and we don't need that many of them now.

it's a big numbers game...you need immigrants for growth, you need growth for more taxes, you need taxes to pay for debt....it's a big bad world out there, if you ain't growing, your dieing...

m>s
10-04-2011, 11:56 PM
I'm all right with that as long as they pay their fare share of taxes.....we'll take care of our own...
then why not open up the borders for mexicans and give em all legal status? they'll be paying taxes too and won't demand as much wages as the "legal" immigrants do

mavs>spurs
10-04-2011, 11:59 PM
....not like there are many employers looking to hire poor minorities....most minority owned businesses hire family....so what else is there? Your gonna get the same result with any ethnic group if there are no opportunities...

what sort of doublespeak tomfoolery is this? i said that only 55% of young people ages 16-29 are employed and you disagreed without even reading the article, my point stands.

m>s
10-05-2011, 12:01 AM
it's a big numbers game...you need immigrants for growth, you need growth for more taxes, you need taxes to pay for debt....it's a big bad world out there, if you ain't growing, your dieing...
we need more immigrants because we need em to work & pay taxes? while leaving 45% of our own people unemployed? those 45% young americans are being left employed because they don't qualify for those jobs?

Nbadan
10-05-2011, 12:02 AM
then why not open up the borders for mexicans and give em all legal status? they'll be paying taxes too and won't demand as much wages as the "legal" immigrants do

Don't think that people haven't thought of that, at one time the borders between the U.S., Canada, and Mexico were proposed to be eliminated by globalists...luckly for all or us, cooler heads prevailed...

Nbadan
10-05-2011, 12:08 AM
what sort of doublespeak tomfoolery is this? i said that only 55% of young people ages 16-29 are employed and you disagreed without even reading the article, my point stands.

I'm sure the numbers would be higher if you included 10,11,12, and 13 year olds, but 45% is too high even for just 16-29 year olds....although it is higher than other segments of society it's not 45....maybe 25

m>s
10-05-2011, 12:15 AM
I'm sure the numbers would be higher if you included 10,11,12, and 13 year olds, but 45% is too high even for just 16-29 year olds....although it is higher than other segments of society it's not 45....maybe 25
25 would still be exorbitantly high though, and thats why we should stop shipping jobs oversea and stop hiring any more immigrants no matter legal or illegal

mavs>spurs
10-05-2011, 01:03 AM
I'm sure the numbers would be higher if you included 10,11,12, and 13 year olds, but 45% is too high even for just 16-29 year olds....although it is higher than other segments of society it's not 45....maybe 25

they did their research in order to publish their 45% figure, where's your research to support your 25% revision? i've conducted my own personal polls and found that it's pretty accurate. 16-18 year olds who are in high school or awaiting college this fall didn't even work this summer in most cases that i know of and from what i've read. it's probably 25% of 20-29 year olds, and 80% of 16-19 year olds unemployed and it averages out at around 45% overall for the whole age gap imho.

mingus
10-05-2011, 01:08 AM
either we build a wall or we give illegals the same educational opportunities. makes no sense to make them dead weight so to speak while they're here.

mavs>spurs
10-05-2011, 01:15 AM
they already have educational opportunities..illegals get discounts to go to school here and qualify for all sorts of grants. i know many illegals who graduated college with ZERO debt while i'll have about 20k when i'm finished..

what they should do is make it a criminal offense to hire illegals and those who do should go to prison. i guarantee if nobody would hire them, they'd leave.

Oh, Gee!!
10-05-2011, 01:45 AM
i know many illegals who graduated college with ZERO debt

bullshit


while i'll have about 20k when i'm finished..

bullshit, you're not going to college


what they should do is make it a criminal offense to hire illegals and those who do should go to prison. i guarantee if nobody would hire them, they'd leave.

bullshit again, it's been illegal to hire illegal immigrants forever but it's never stopped anyone from doing so.

Oh, Gee!!
10-05-2011, 01:46 AM
yh, you're a dumbfuck who'll never amount to anything, so you take your personal failures out on minorities.

mavs>spurs
10-05-2011, 02:07 AM
bullshit



bullshit, you're not going to college



bullshit again, it's been illegal to hire illegal immigrants forever but it's never stopped anyone from doing so.

I am in college, I'll be graduated next year. And yes the illegals I know do go to school for free, they can qualify for grants. Look I up. As for the last part, sure it's been illegal, but it isn't really enforced. I know illegals who work at random places. Jack in the box hires them for sure. I'm saying to actually jail employers who do it and they'll quit.

Edit: they qualify for state grants and some scholarships, my ex b4 I found out was illegal somehow completed her degree without any debt and I always wondered how. She was working for her uncle getting paid like 6 dollars an hour under the table.

mavs>spurs
10-05-2011, 02:09 AM
yh, you're a dumbfuck who'll never amount to anything, so you take your personal failures out on minorities.

Nice rebuttal bro, you're either a butthurt beaner Or you're married to one anyway. I'll be graduating this summer with a badass gpa and a useful degree, so no airy but it isn't just ignorant kkk members who dot want them here, it's everyone except the ultra liberal communists on this board.

Wild Cobra
10-05-2011, 02:16 AM
All you beaner defenders make me sick.
I still want to know what your definition of a Beaner is.

mavs>spurs
10-05-2011, 02:16 AM
I still want to know what your definition of a Beaner is.

Mexicans

Wild Cobra
10-05-2011, 02:20 AM
did you read the article? 55% of young people are unemployed. at least read the article or post some sort of proof with your rebuttal.
So what.

A large group of that age don't even look for jobs. The article us useless without talking about how many are unemployed who actually seek work.

How many 16-22 simply have no need to work? In high school or college with their parents paying the way, scholarships, or grants?

Stop being a lemming. Do some critical thinking.

Oh, Gee!!
10-05-2011, 02:21 AM
I am in college, I'll be graduated next year. And yes the illegals I know do go to school for free, they can qualify for grants. Look I up. As for the last part, sure it's been illegal, but it isn't really enforced. I know illegals who work at random places. Jack in the box hires them for sure. I'm saying to actually jail employers who do it and they'll quit.

Edit: they qualify for state grants and some scholarships, my ex b4 I found out was illegal somehow completed her degree without any debt and I always wondered how. She was working for her uncle getting paid like 6 dollars an hour under the table.

you're stupid and just making up shit. give up, troll.

Wild Cobra
10-05-2011, 02:22 AM
bullshit again, it's been illegal to hire illegal immigrants forever but it's never stopped anyone from doing so.
The punishment for the crime isn't severe enough. the cost/risk factor still pays to hire illegals.

Oh, Gee!!
10-05-2011, 02:23 AM
Nice rebuttal bro, you're either a butthurt beaner Or you're married to one anyway. I'll be graduating this summer with a badass gpa and a useful degree, so no airy but it isn't just ignorant kkk members who dot want them here, it's everyone except the ultra liberal communists on this board.

your reply makes no sense. you're not in college cuz you're too stupid. please, go away. everybody hates you.

Oh, Gee!!
10-05-2011, 02:23 AM
The punishment for the crime isn't severe enough. the cost/risk factor still pays to hire illegals.

stfu you racist dipshit.

Wild Cobra
10-05-2011, 02:24 AM
Y.H....

Your case is pretty bad when I agree with Dan and Oh Gee...

We almost always disagree.

Oh, Gee!!
10-05-2011, 02:27 AM
Y.H....

Your case is pretty bad when I agree with Dan and Oh Gee...

We almost always disagree.

I don't like you

mavs>spurs
10-05-2011, 02:27 AM
So what.

A large group of that age don't even look for jobs. The article us useless without talking about how many are unemployed who actually seek work.

How many 16-22 simply have no need to work? In high school or college with their parents paying the way, scholarships, or grants?

Stop being a lemming. Do some critical thinking.

Most of the ones not looking have simply given up dumbfuck. In Hess economic times, I'd say more 16-22 year olds need work than ever before. Who's parents can just pay their way through 4 years of university out of pocket? You live in a make believe world far away from the rest of us.

mavs>spurs
10-05-2011, 02:29 AM
you're stupid and just making up shit. give up, troll.

No, my ex gf really bullshitted her way to a free degree. Sorry If that doesn't fit with your agenda?

Wild Cobra
10-05-2011, 02:30 AM
Most of the ones not looking have simply given up dumbfuck. In Hess economic times, I'd say more 16-22 year olds need work than ever before. Who's parents can just pay their way through 4 years of university out of pocket? You live in a make believe world far away from the rest of us.
Your opinion.

Have any facts to back that up?

Wild Cobra
10-05-2011, 02:30 AM
I don't like you
I don't like you either.

So where even!

mavs>spurs
10-05-2011, 02:31 AM
your reply makes no sense. you're not in college cuz you're too stupid. please, go away. everybody hates you.

It makes perfect sense and I've posted a picture of my transcript with my beautiful 3.8 gpa before. Youre just a stupid wetback.

Wild Cobra
10-05-2011, 02:31 AM
stfu you racist dipshit.
LOL...

I find it so ironic that people call me a racist, just because I am not politically correct.

Wild Cobra
10-05-2011, 02:32 AM
It makes perfect sense and I've posted a picture of my transcript with my beautiful 3.8 gpa before. Youre just a stupid wetback.
Only a 3.8?

What is that. Equivalent to a 2.6 GPA from the 70's?

:stirpot:

mavs>spurs
10-05-2011, 02:34 AM
The material is still the same at least if not updated since then. Sorry wild chodebrah but I doubt I you have a degree anyway, not like you're speaking from experience.

Wild Cobra
10-05-2011, 02:47 AM
The material is still the same at least if not updated since then. Sorry wild chodebrah but I doubt I you have a degree anyway, not like you're speaking from experience.
I was too bored with school, so I chose not to go to college. I never even took the SAT test. Probably would have aced 2/3rds of it.

I do OK with zero days of college. Made six figures on some years.

Oh, Gee!!
10-05-2011, 02:57 AM
No, my ex gf really bullshitted her way to a free degree. Sorry If that doesn't fit with your agenda?

so, your proof of widespread fraud by immigrants is your uncorroborated version of events about how one of your friends gamed the system? excuse me if I'm not convinced by your cogent argument.

Oh, Gee!!
10-05-2011, 02:58 AM
LOL...

I find it so ironic that people call me a racist, just because I am not politically correct.

we call you a racist because you are a racist.

Wild Cobra
10-05-2011, 03:00 AM
we call you a racist because you are a racist.
Then you don;'t know what the definition of a racist is.

Warlord23
10-05-2011, 05:42 AM
Funny thread. The joke (that most of you may not have realized) is that YH is actually the poster Rogue, who's an illegal immigrant himself from some Asian country.

Good troll job, though.

m>s
10-05-2011, 07:26 AM
It makes perfect sense and I've posted a picture of my transcript with my beautiful 3.8 gpa before. Youre just a stupid wetback.
say you should've quit that shit when you were not that deep in debt, and we all know why there are so many young americans quitting schools. i mean why should they continue wasting their time/money in colleges when they know a college degree ain't giving them nothing?

american parents, paying taxes to fund the educations for immigrants' kids and enable them to compete againts their own children in the new workforce. illegal aliens can come through colleges debt-free, so can those "legal" immigrants of course, and its much easier for "legal" immigrants since they qualify for all sorts of federal aid that the illegals don't have.

if you are a "legal" immigrant and you have a BA degree i say in most cases you can find a well-paying job, however if you are an american student with a similar degree then what's most likely to happen is you'll turn unemployed the moment you graduate from college. the government would do everything to help a legal immigrant to get a decent job, assuming that an immigrant needs a job to survive in this country while a native student can survive w/o a job because he can continue to live with parents. the government must ensure every "legal" immigrant survives in this country and also earns decent incomes simply because they are legal immigrants, legal immigrants had paid them money to be "legal" and right now its time for that investment to pay off.

m>s
10-05-2011, 07:47 AM
Funny thread. The joke (that most of you may not have realized) is that YH is actually the poster Rogue, who's an illegal immigrant himself from some Asian country.

Good troll job, though.
sorry but your wrong bout YH really, YH is a true nigga from queens and i'd show you proof if you want; and you're wrong about Rogue too, Rogue isn't an immigrant at all cos he never immigrated, he used to have such a plan in the 1990s but having seen all that happened in the past 10 years he's decided to give it up. and im thinking to myself that some other chinks here (e.g. DMC, Drachen, MannyIsGod, Jacob1983 etc...) must be regretting to have immigrated, tbh, and they know damn well that its impossible to have their chinese citizenship back

Borat Sagyidev
10-05-2011, 08:27 AM
they already have educational opportunities..illegals get discounts to go to school here and qualify for all sorts of grants. i know many illegals who graduated college with ZERO debt while i'll have about 20k when i'm finished..

what they should do is make it a criminal offense to hire illegals and those who do should go to prison. i guarantee if nobody would hire them, they'd leave.

Are you sure they illegal? You know students do go to school in American colleges from all over the world, often for free as is the case for decades.

It is a criminal offense to hire illegals, but people knowingly do it because often there is no other choice or the economic forces make it lucrative.

As far as for all the 45% unemployment in young age demographic, yeah big concern. However, even if all of them were employed, you realize that they would foot the bill for baby boomer retirement whether by taxation of excessively high consumer costs?


Good example of a country with baby boomers that figured this out: Australia:
25% foreign born population
no housing crash
no stock market crash
4% unemployment

They have race riots every few years, but the other 99% of the time, it's a pretty good situation.


You know, most international students I have met, from Mexico or elsewhere can figure this out or acknowledge this issue rather quickly. All this "der takin er jorbs" nonsense makes you look like a moron. Of course you're gonna have to pay for college, they could care less about you going because you're a moron.


http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/420/immigrant5ea.gif

Borat Sagyidev
10-05-2011, 08:30 AM
LOL...

I find it so ironic that people call me a racist, just because I am not politically correct.


I can vouch for that, WC just has economic and social values that have the end effect of class ism and borderline slave ownership.

mavs>spurs
10-05-2011, 10:31 AM
Are you sure they illegal? You know students do go to school in American colleges from all over the world, often for free as is the case for decades.

It is a criminal offense to hire illegals, but people knowingly do it because often there is no other choice or the economic forces make it lucrative.

As far as for all the 45% unemployment in young age demographic, yeah big concern. However, even if all of them were employed, you realize that they would foot the bill for baby boomer retirement whether by taxation of excessively high consumer costs?


Good example of a country with baby boomers that figured this out: Australia:
25% foreign born population
no housing crash
no stock market crash
4% unemployment

They have race riots every few years, but the other 99% of the time, it's a pretty good situation.


You know, most international students I have met, from Mexico or elsewhere can figure this out or acknowledge this issue rather quickly. All this "der takin er jorbs" nonsense makes you look like a moron. Of course you're gonna have to pay for college, they could care less about you going because you're a moron.

Yeah I know for sure that they are illegal, some of the ones I'm referring to are my ex, her best friend (didn't know that shit when we started dating, we didn't date for too long after that) and one of my good close friends, which is a little hypocritical of me I guess, but she's cool though. The friend is going to school and getting some sort of aid, and the other 2 graduated debt free, neither of which payed for it themselves (couldn't work) and both of their parents are poor so it is highly doubtful that the parents paid for it. They both sit around all day and do basically nothing now that they have their degrees, one volunteers as a teacher's assistant (with a teaching degree) and the other just keeps going to school because that's all she really can do, earning various certificates and basically just fucking around.

Anyway regardless of whether or not they received any aid, it's fucking ridiculous that an illegal immigrant can go to UT Austin with in state tuition but an american CITIZEN from oklahoma has to pay an additional 100k for out of state tuition over the course of their 4 years. Also, part of the costs of college are subsidized by the tax payer, none of the illegal immigrants I speak of or their families paid substantial taxes. My ex's dad is at least a legal resident or has a green card or something, so he's the only one out of the bunch that pays any taxes at all and doesn't get paid cash under the table. That's not racist that's just facts from a real life point of view and experience, not the bullshit they tell you on the mainstream corporate whore media. Homie I know about 20 illegal aliens who i went to school with and all I know is what I hear from them, so don't come at me sideways accusing me of just making shit up.

mavs>spurs
10-05-2011, 10:34 AM
http://www.wtov9.com/news/9397913/detail.html

It's no secret that illegals get preferential treatment and that the globalists want them here

llegal Immigrants Free To Go







Local police said they intercepted 20 illegal Mexican immigrants, but were ordered by immigration officials to let them go free.Belmont County Sheriff Fred Thompson said his officers were instructed by federal immigration services to let all 20 illegal immigrants go free, and said his department has no choice but to follow the orders from immigration officials.Thompson said officers stopped a van at 3 a.m. Tuesday which was traveling the wrong direction on Interstate 470 in St. Clairsville.The officer discovered 20 illegal Mexican immigrants inside the van, including three who were previously deported. The officer immediately contacted immigration officials, who told him to let all 20 immigrants go."Once we find out they are illegals, it's like pat them on the back of the head and tell them, 'Go on down the road; you'll probably get stopped again,'" Thompson said.The immigrants told the officer they were traveling through Ohio to obtain work in Manassas, Va.Calls to Citizenship and Immigration Services as well as Immigration and Customs Enforcement have not been returned.Stay with NEWS9 for continuing coverage.-Renee Cardelli & Amy Post, NEWS9

mavs>spurs
10-05-2011, 10:36 AM
Just google "obama administration caught arming drug cartels" and you'll see what I mean. The beaners are a tool of the globalists just as much as CIA founded, backed, and funded al queda is.

mavs>spurs
10-05-2011, 10:41 AM
http://newsworldwide.wordpress.com/2011/07/26/bank-financed-drug-gang-plans-to-overthrow-mexican-government-next-year/

mavs>spurs
10-05-2011, 10:44 AM
Yeah, the feds really want the beaners here for OUR benefit!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-29/banks-financing-mexico-s-drug-cartels-admitted-in-wells-fargo-s-u-s-deal.html



Banks Financing Mexico Gangs Admitted in Wells Fargo Deal

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Mexican President Felipe Calderon vowed to crush the drug cartels when he took office in December 2006. Photographer: Tim Sloan/AFP/Getty Images
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June 29 (Bloomberg) -- Wells Fargo & Co., which bought Wachovia Corp. in 2008, has admitted in court that its unit failed to monitor and report suspected money laundering by narcotics traffickers. Bloomberg's Erik Schatzker reports. (Source: Bloomberg)


June 29 (Bloomberg) -- Martin Woods, former director of Wachovia Corp.'s anti-money-laundering unit in London, talks with Bloomberg's Julie Hyman and Mark Crumpton about the use of Wachovia Corp. and others by Mexican drug cartels to launder funds. Bloomberg Markets Magazine senior writer Michael Smith reports in the magazine's August 2010 issue that Wells Fargo & Co., which bought Wachovia in 2008, admitted in court that its unit failed to monitor and report suspected money laundering by narcotics traffickers. (Source: Bloomberg)

June 29 (Bloomberg) -- Bloomberg Markets Magazine senior writer Michael Smith discusses the use of Wachovia Corp., Bank of America Corp. and others by Mexican drug cartels to launder funds. In the magazine's August 2010 issue, Smith reports that Wells Fargo & Co., which bought Wachovia in 2008, admitted in court that its unit failed to monitor and report suspected money laundering by narcotics traffickers. Smith speaks with Betty Liu on Bloomberg Television’s “In the Loop.” (Source: Bloomberg)


A U.S. Customs and Border Protection agent inspects a vehicle heading into the U.S. at the San Ysidro border crossing in San Diego. Photographer: Scott Dalton/Bloomberg Markets via Bloomberg


A U.S. Customs and Border Protection agent inspects a vehicle heading into Mexico at the San Ysidro border crossing in San Diego. Photographer: Scott Dalton/Bloomberg Markets via Bloomberg


A marker shows where the international border lies between San Diego, California and Tijuana, Mexico. Photographer: Scott Dalton/Bloomberg Markets via Bloomberg


Just before sunset on April 10, 2006, a DC-9 jet landed at the international airport in the port city of Ciudad del Carmen, 500 miles east of Mexico City. As soldiers on the ground approached the plane, the crew tried to shoo them away, saying there was a dangerous oil leak. So the troops grew suspicious and searched the jet.
They found 128 black suitcases, packed with 5.7 tons of cocaine, valued at $100 million. The stash was supposed to have been delivered from Caracas to drug traffickers in Toluca, near Mexico City, Mexican prosecutors later found. Law enforcement officials also discovered something else.
The smugglers had bought the DC-9 with laundered funds they transferred through two of the biggest banks in the U.S.: [URL="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=WB:US"]Wachovia Corp. (http://www.bloomberg.com/video/61156902/) and Bank of America Corp. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=BAC:US), Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in its August 2010 issue.
This was no isolated incident. Wachovia, it turns out, had made a habit of helping move money for Mexican drug smugglers. Wells Fargo & Co. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=WFC:US), which bought Wachovia in 2008, has admitted in court that its unit failed to monitor and report suspected money laundering by narcotics traffickers -- including the cash used to buy four planes that shipped a total of 22 tons of cocaine.
The admission came in an agreement that Charlotte, North Carolina-based Wachovia struck with federal prosecutors in March, and it sheds light on the largely undocumented role of U.S. banks in contributing to the violent drug trade that has convulsed Mexico for the past four years.
‘Blatant Disregard’

Wachovia admitted it didn’t do enough to spot illicit funds in handling $378.4 billion (http://www.justice.gov/usao/fls/PressReleases/Attachments/100317-02.Statement.pdf) for Mexican-currency-exchange houses from 2004 to 2007. That’s the largest violation of the Bank Secrecy Act, an anti-money-laundering law, in U.S. history -- a sum equal to one-third of Mexico’s current gross domestic product (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=MXGCTOT:IND).
“Wachovia’s blatant disregard for our banking laws gave international cocaine cartels a virtual carte blanche to finance their operations,” says Jeffrey Sloman (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Jeffrey%20Sloman&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1&partialfields=-wnnis:NOAVSYND&lr=-lang_ja), the federal prosecutor who handled the case.
Since 2006, more than 22,000 people have been killed in drug-related battles that have raged mostly along the 2,000-mile (3,200-kilometer) border that Mexico shares with the U.S. In the Mexican city of Ciudad Juarez, just across the border from El Paso, Texas, 700 people had been murdered this year as of mid- June. Six Juarez police officers were slaughtered by automatic weapons fire in a midday ambush in April.
Rondolfo Torre, the leading candidate for governor in the Mexican border state of Tamaulipas, was gunned down yesterday, less than a week before elections in which violence related to drug trafficking was a central issue.
45,000 Troops

Mexican President Felipe Calderon (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Felipe%20Calderon&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1&partialfields=-wnnis:NOAVSYND&lr=-lang_ja) vowed to crush the drug cartels when he took office in December 2006, and he’s since deployed 45,000 troops to fight the cartels. They’ve had little success.
Among the dead are police, soldiers, journalists and ordinary citizens. The U.S. has pledged Mexico $1.1 billion in the past two years to aid in the fight against narcotics cartels.
In May, President Barack Obama (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Barack%20Obama&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1&partialfields=-wnnis:NOAVSYND&lr=-lang_ja) said he’d send 1,200 National Guard troops, adding to the 17,400 agents on the U.S. side of the border to help stem drug traffic and illegal immigration.
Behind the carnage in Mexico is an industry that supplies hundreds of tons of cocaine, heroin, marijuana and methamphetamines to Americans. The cartels have built a network of dealers in 231 U.S. cities from coast to coast, taking in about $39 billion in sales annually, according to the Justice Department.
‘You’re Missing the Point’

Twenty million people in the U.S. regularly use illegal drugs, spurring street crime and wrecking families. Narcotics cost the U.S. economy $215 billion (http://www.justice.gov/ndic/pubs38/38661/index.htm) a year -- enough to cover health care for 30.9 million Americans -- in overburdened courts, prisons and hospitals and lost productivity, the department says.
“It’s the banks laundering money for the cartels that finances the tragedy,” says Martin Woods, director of Wachovia’s anti-money-laundering unit in London from 2006 to 2009. Woods says he quit the bank in disgust after executives ignored his documentation that drug dealers were funneling money through Wachovia’s branch network.
“If you don’t see the correlation between the money laundering by banks and the 22,000 people killed in Mexico, you’re missing the point,” Woods says.
Cleansing Dirty Cash

Wachovia is just one of the U.S. and European banks that have been used for drug money laundering. For the past two decades, Latin American drug traffickers have gone to U.S. banks to cleanse their dirty cash, says Paul Campo, head of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s financial crimes unit.
Miami-based American Express Bank International paid fines (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/american-express-bank-international-enters-into-deferred-prosecution-agreement-and-forfeits-55-million-to-resolve-bank-secrecy-act-violations-57904267.html) in both 1994 and 2007 after admitting it had failed to spot and report drug dealers laundering money through its accounts. Drug traffickers used accounts at Bank of America (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=BAC:US) in Oklahoma City to buy three planes that carried 10 tons of cocaine, according to Mexican court filings.
Federal agents caught people who work for Mexican cartels depositing illicit funds in Bank of America accounts in Atlanta, Chicago and Brownsville, Texas, from 2002 to 2009. Mexican drug dealers used shell companies to open accounts at London-based HSBC Holdings Plc (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=HSBA:LN), Europe’s biggest bank by assets, an investigation by the Mexican Finance Ministry found.
Following Rules

Those two banks weren’t accused of wrongdoing. Bank of America spokeswoman Shirley Norton (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Shirley%20Norton&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1&partialfields=-wnnis:NOAVSYND&lr=-lang_ja) and HSBC spokesman Roy Caple say laws bar them from discussing specific clients. They say their banks strictly follow the government rules.
“Bank of America takes its anti-money-laundering responsibilities very seriously,” Norton says.
A Mexican judge on Jan. 22 accused the owners of six centros cambiarios, or money changers, in Culiacan and Tijuana of laundering drug funds through their accounts at the Mexican units of Banco Santander SA (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=SAN:SM), Citigroup Inc. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=C:US) and HSBC, according to court documents filed in the case.
The money changers are in jail while being tried. Citigroup, HSBC and Santander, which is the largest Spanish bank by assets, weren’t accused of any wrongdoing. The three banks say Mexican law bars them from commenting on the case, adding that they each carefully enforce anti-money-laundering programs.
HSBC has stopped accepting dollar deposits in Mexico, and Citigroup no longer allows noncustomers to change dollars there. Citigroup detected suspicious activity in the Tijuana accounts, reported it to regulators and closed the accounts, Citigroup spokesman Paulo Carreno (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Paulo%20Carreno&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1&partialfields=-wnnis:NOAVSYND&lr=-lang_ja) says.
Criminal Empires

On June 15, the Mexican Finance Ministry (http://www.shcp.gob.mx/SALAPRENSA/doc_comunicados_prensa/2010/junio/comunicado_041_2010.pdf) announced it would set limits for banks on cash deposits in dollars.
Mexico’s drug cartels have become multinational criminal enterprises.
Some of the gangs have delved into other illegal activities such as gunrunning, kidnapping and smuggling people across the border, as well as into seemingly legitimate areas such as trucking, travel services and air cargo transport, according to the Justice Department’s National Drug Intelligence Center (http://www.justice.gov/ndic/).
These criminal empires have no choice but to use the global banking system to finance their businesses, Mexican Senator Felipe Gonzalez says.
“With so much cash, the only way to move this money is through the banks,” says Gonzalez, who represents a central Mexican state and chairs the senate public safety committee.
Gonzalez, a member of Calderon’s National Action Party, carries a .38 revolver for personal protection.
“I know this won’t stop the narcos when they come through that door with machine guns,” he says, pointing to the entrance to his office. “But at least I’ll take one with me.”
Subprime Losses

No bank has been more closely connected with Mexican money laundering than Wachovia. Founded in 1879, Wachovia became the largest bank by assets in the southeastern U.S. by 1900. After the Great Depression, some people in North Carolina called the bank “Walk-Over-Ya” because it had foreclosed on farms in the region.
By 2008, Wachovia was the sixth-largest U.S. lender, and it faced $26 billion in losses from subprime mortgage loans. That cost Wachovia Chief Executive Officer Kennedy Thompson (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Kennedy%20Thompson&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1&partialfields=-wnnis:NOAVSYND&lr=-lang_ja) his job in June 2008.
Six months later, San Francisco-based Wells Fargo, which dates from 1852, bought Wachovia for $12.7 billion, creating the largest network of bank branches in the U.S. Thompson, who now works for private-equity firm Aquiline Capital Partners LLC in New York, declined to comment.
As Wachovia’s balance sheet was bleeding, its legal woes were mounting. In the three years leading up to Wachovia’s agreement with the Justice Department, grand juries served the bank with 6,700 subpoenas (http://www.fincen.gov/news_room/ea/files/100316095447.pdf) requesting information.
Not Quick Enough

The bank didn’t react quickly enough to the prosecutors’ requests and failed to hire enough investigators, the U.S. Treasury Department said in March. After a 22-month investigation, the Justice Department on March 12 (http://www.justice.gov/usao/fls/PressReleases/100317-02.html) charged Wachovia with violating the Bank Secrecy Act by failing to run an effective anti-money-laundering program.
Five days later, Wells Fargo promised in a Miami federal courtroom to revamp its detection systems. Wachovia’s new owner paid $160 million in fines and penalties, less than 2 percent of its $12.3 billion profit in 2009.
If Wells Fargo keeps its pledge, the U.S. government will, according to the agreement, drop all charges against the bank in March 2011.
Wells Fargo regrets that some of Wachovia’s former anti- money-laundering efforts fell short, spokeswoman Mary Eshet (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Mary%20Eshet&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1&partialfields=-wnnis:NOAVSYND&lr=-lang_ja) says. Wells Fargo has invested $42 million in the past three years to improve its anti-money-laundering program and has been working with regulators, she says.
‘Significantly Upgraded’

“We have substantially increased the caliber and number of staff in our international investigations group, and we also significantly upgraded the monitoring software,” Eshet says. The agreement bars the bank from contesting or contradicting the facts in its admission.
The bank declined to answer specific questions, including how much it made by handling $378.4 billion -- including $4 billion of cash-from Mexican exchange companies.
The 1970 Bank Secrecy Act (http://www.occ.treas.gov/bsa/bsaregs.htm) requires banks to report all cash transactions above $10,000 to regulators and to tell the government about other suspected money-laundering activity. Big banks employ hundreds of investigators and spend millions of dollars on software programs to scour accounts.
No big U.S. bank -- Wells Fargo included -- has ever been indicted for violating the Bank Secrecy Act or any other federal law. Instead, the Justice Department settles criminal charges by using deferred-prosecution agreements (http://www.fincen.gov/news_room/ea/files/100316095447.pdf), in which a bank pays a fine and promises not to break the law again.
‘No Capacity to Regulate’

Large banks are protected from indictments by a variant of the too-big-to-fail theory.
Indicting a big bank could trigger a mad dash by investors to dump shares and cause panic in financial markets, says Jack Blum, a U.S. Senate investigator for 14 years and a consultant to international banks and brokerage firms on money laundering.
The theory is like a get-out-of-jail-free card for big banks, Blum says.
“There’s no capacity to regulate or punish them because they’re too big to be threatened with failure,” Blum says. “They seem to be willing to do anything that improves their bottom line, until they’re caught.”
Wachovia’s run-in with federal prosecutors hasn’t troubled investors. Wells Fargo’s stock (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=WFC:US) traded at $30.86 on March 24, up 1 percent in the week after the March 17 agreement was announced.
Moving money is central to the drug trade -- from the cash that people tape to their bodies as they cross the U.S.-Mexican border to the $100,000 wire transfers they send from Mexican exchange houses to big U.S. banks.
‘Doesn’t Stop Anyone’

In Tijuana, 15 miles south of San Diego, Gustavo Rojas has lived for a quarter of a century in a shack in the shadow of the 10-foot-high (3-meter-high) steel border fence that separates the U.S. and Mexico there. He points to holes burrowed under the barrier.
“They go across with drugs and come back with cash,” Rojas, 75, says. “This fence doesn’t stop anyone.”
Drug money moves back and forth across the border in an endless cycle. In the U.S., couriers take the cash from drug sales to Mexico -- as much as $29 billion a year (http://www.ice.gov/partners/financial/cps-study/), according to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. That would be about 319 tons of $100 bills.
They hide it in cars and trucks to smuggle into Mexico. There, cartels pay people to deposit some of the cash into Mexican banks and branches of international banks. The narcos launder much of what’s left through money changers.
The Money Changers

Anyone who has been to Mexico is familiar with these street-corner money changers; Mexican regulators say there are at least 3,000 of them from Tijuana to Cancun, usually displaying large signs advertising the day’s dollar-peso exchange rate.
Mexican banks are regulated by the National Banking and Securities Commission (http://www.cnbv.gob.mx/), which has an anti-money-laundering unit; the money changers are policed by Mexico’s Tax Service Administration, which has no such unit.
By law, the money changers have to demand identification from anyone exchanging more than $500. They also have to report transactions higher than $5,000 to regulators.
The cartels get around these requirements by employing legions of individuals -- including relatives, maids and gardeners -- to convert small amounts of dollars into pesos or to make deposits in local banks. After that, cartels wire the money to a multinational bank.
The Smurfs

The people making the small money exchanges are known as Smurfs, after the cartoon characters.
“They can use an army of people like Smurfs and go through $1 million before lunchtime,” says Jerry Robinette, who oversees U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement operations along the border in east Texas.
The U.S. Treasury has been warning banks about big Mexican- currency-exchange firms laundering drug money since 1996. By 2004, many U.S. banks had closed their accounts with these companies, which are known as casas de cambio.
Wachovia ignored warnings by regulators and police, according to the deferred-prosecution agreement.
“As early as 2004, Wachovia understood the risk,” the bank admitted in court. “Despite these warnings, Wachovia remained in the business.”
One customer that Wachovia took on in 2004 was Casa de Cambio Puebla SA, a Puebla, Mexico-based currency-exchange company. Pedro Alatorre, who ran a Puebla branch in Mexico City, had created front companies for cartels, according to a pending Mexican criminal case against him.
Federal Indictment

A federal grand jury in Miami indicted Puebla, Alatorre and three other executives in February 2008 for drug trafficking and money laundering. In May 2008, the Justice Department sought extradition of the suspects, saying they used shell firms to launder $720 million through U.S. banks.
Alatorre has been in a Mexican jail for 2 1/2 years. He denies any wrongdoing, his lawyer Mauricio Moreno says. Alatorre has made no court-filed responses in the U.S.
During the period in which Wachovia admitted to moving money out of Mexico for Puebla, couriers carrying clear plastic bags stuffed with cash went to the branch Alatorre ran at the Mexico City airport, according to surveillance reports by Mexican police.
Alatorre opened accounts at HSBC on behalf of front companies, Mexican investigators found.
Puebla executives used the stolen identities of 74 people to launder money through Wachovia accounts, Mexican prosecutors say in court-filed reports.
‘Never Reported’

“Wachovia handled all the transfers, and they never reported any as suspicious,” says Jose Luis Marmolejo, a former head of the Mexican attorney general’s financial crimes unit who is now in private practice.
In November 2005 and January 2006, Wachovia transferred a total of $300,000 from Puebla to a Bank of America account in Oklahoma City, according to information in the Alatorre cases in the U.S. and Mexico.
Drug smugglers used the funds to buy the DC-9 through Oklahoma City aircraft broker U.S. Aircraft Titles Inc., according to financial records cited in the Mexican criminal case. U.S. Aircraft Titles President Sue White declined to comment.
On April 5, 2006, a pilot flew the plane from St. Petersburg, Florida, to Caracas to pick up the cocaine, according to the DEA. Five days later, troops seized the plane in Ciudad del Carmen and burned the drugs at a nearby army base.
‘Wachovia Knew’

“I am sure Wachovia knew what was going on,” says Marmolejo, who oversaw the criminal investigation into Wachovia’s customers. “It went on too long and they made too much money not to have known.”
At Wachovia’s anti-money-laundering unit in London, Woods and his colleague Jim DeFazio, in Charlotte, say they suspected that drug dealers were using the bank to move funds.
Woods, a former Scotland Yard investigator, spotted illegible signatures and other suspicious markings on traveler’s checks from Mexican exchange companies, he said in a September 2008 letter to the U.K. Financial Services Authority (http://www.fsa.gov.uk/). He sent copies of the letter to the DEA and Treasury Department in the U.S.
Woods, 45, says his bosses instructed him to keep quiet and tried to have him fired, according to his letter to the FSA. In one meeting, a bank official insisted Woods shouldn’t have filed suspicious activity reports to the government, as both U.S. and U.K. laws require.
‘I Was Shocked’

“I was shocked by the content and outcome of the meeting and genuinely traumatized,” Woods wrote.
In the U.S., DeFazio, who had been a Federal Bureau of Investigation agent for 21 years, says he told bank executives in 2005 that the DEA was probing the transfers through Wachovia to buy the planes.
Bank executives spurned recommendations to close suspicious accounts, DeFazio, 63, says.
“I think they looked at the money and said, ‘The hell with it. We’re going to bring it in, and look at all the money we’ll make,’” DeFazio says.
DeFazio retired in 2008.
“I didn’t want anything from them,” he says. “I just wanted to get out.”
Woods, who resigned from Wachovia in May 2009, now advises banks on how to combat money laundering. He declined to discuss details of Wachovia’s actions.
U.S. Comptroller of the Currency John Dugan (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=John%20Dugan&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1&partialfields=-wnnis:NOAVSYND&lr=-lang_ja) told Woods in a March 19 letter his efforts had helped the U.S. build its case against Wachovia.
‘Great Courage’

“You demonstrated great courage and integrity by speaking up when you saw problems,” Dugan wrote.
It was the Puebla investigation that led U.S. authorities to the broader probe of Wachovia. On May 16, 2007, DEA agents conducted a raid of Wachovia’s international banking offices in Miami. They had a court order to seize Puebla’s accounts.
U.S. prosecutors and investigators then scrutinized the bank’s dealings with Mexican-currency-exchange firms. That led to the March deferred-prosecution agreement.
With Puebla’s Wachovia accounts seized, Alatorre and his partners shifted their laundering scheme to HSBC, according to financial documents cited in the Mexican criminal case against Alatorre.
In the three weeks after the DEA raided Wachovia, two of Alatorre’s front companies, Grupo ETPB SA and Grupo Rahero SC, made 12 cash deposits totaling $1 million at an HSBC Mexican branch, Mexican investigators found.
Another Drug Plane

The funds financed a Beechcraft King Air 200 plane that police seized on Dec. 29, 2007, in Cuernavaca, 50 miles south of Mexico City, according to information in the case against Alatorre.
For years, federal authorities watched as the wife and daughter of Oscar Oropeza, a drug smuggler working for the Matamoros-based Gulf Cartel, deposited stacks of cash at a Bank of America branch on Boca Chica Boulevard in Brownsville, Texas, less than 3 miles from the border.
Investigator Robinette sits in his pickup truck across the street from that branch. It’s a one-story, tan stucco building next to a Kentucky Fried Chicken outlet. Robinette discusses the Oropeza case with Tom Salazar, an agent who investigated the family.
“Everybody in there knew who they were -- the tellers, everyone,” Salazar says. “The bank never came to us, though.”
New Meaning

The Oropeza case gives a new, literal meaning to the term money laundering. Oropeza’s wife, Tina Marie, and daughter Paulina Marie deposited stashes of $20 bills several times a day into Bank of America accounts, Salazar says. Bank employees got to know the Oropezas by the smell of their money.
“I asked the tellers what they were talking about, and they said the money had this sweet smell like Bounce, those sheets you throw into the dryer,” Salazar says. “They told me that when they opened the vault, the smell of Bounce just poured out.”
Oropeza, 48, was arrested 820 miles from Brownsville. On May 31, 2007, police in Saraland, Alabama, stopped him on a traffic violation. Checking his record, they learned of the investigation in Texas.
They searched the van and discovered 84 kilograms (185 pounds) of cocaine hidden under a false floor. That allowed federal agents to freeze Oropeza’s bank accounts and search his marble-floored home in Brownsville, Robinette says. Inside, investigators found a supply of Bounce alongside the clothes dryer.
Guilty Pleas

All three Oropezas pleaded guilty in U.S. District Court in Brownsville to drug and money-laundering charges in March and April 2008. Oscar Oropeza was sentenced to 15 years in prison; his wife was ordered to serve 10 months and his daughter got 6 months.
Bank of America’s Norton says, “We not only fulfilled our regulatory obligation, but we proactively worked with law enforcement on these matters.”
Prosecutors have tried to halt money laundering at American Express Bank International twice. In 1994, the bank, then a subsidiary of New York-based American Express Co. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=AXP:US), pledged not to allow money laundering again after two employees were convicted in a criminal case involving drug trafficker Juan Garcia Abrego.
In 1994, the bank paid $14 million to settle. Five years later, drug money again flowed through American Express Bank. Between 1999 and 2004, the bank failed to stop clients from laundering $55 million of narcotics funds, the bank admitted in a deferred-prosecution agreement in August 2007.
Western Union

It paid $65 million to the U.S. and promised not to break the law again. The government dismissed the criminal charge a year later. American Express sold the bank to London-based Standard Chartered PLC (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=STAN:LN) in February 2008 for $823 million.
Banks aren’t the only financial institutions that have turned a blind eye to drug cartels in moving illicit funds. Western Union Co. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=WU:US), the world’s largest money transfer firm, agreed to pay $94 million (http://ir.westernunion.com/press/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=444559) in February 2010 to settle civil and criminal investigations by the Arizona attorney general’s office.
Undercover state police posing as drug dealers bribed Western Union employees to illegally transfer money, says Cameron Holmes, an assistant attorney general.
“Their allegiance was to the smugglers,” Holmes says. “What they thought about during work was ‘How may I please my highest- spending customers the most?’”
Smudged Fingerprints

Workers in more than 20 Western Union offices allowed the customers to use multiple names, pass fictitious identifications and smudge their fingerprints on documents, investigators say in court records.
“In all the time we did undercover operations, we never once had a bribe turned down,” says Holmes, citing court affidavits.
Western Union has made significant improvements, it complies with anti-money-laundering laws and works closely with regulators and police, spokesman Tom Fitzgerald (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Tom%20Fitzgerald&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1&partialfields=-wnnis:NOAVSYND&lr=-lang_ja) says.
For four years, Mexican authorities have been fighting a losing battle against the cartels. The police are often two steps behind the criminals. Near the southeastern corner of Texas, in Matamoros, more than 50 combat troops surround a police station.
Officers take two suspected drug traffickers inside for questioning. Nearby, two young men wearing white T-shirts and baggy pants watch and whisper into radios. These are los halcones (the falcons), whose job is to let the cartel bosses know what the police are doing.
‘Only Way’

While the police are outmaneuvered and outgunned, ordinary Mexicans live in fear. Rojas, the man who lives in the Tijuana slum near the border fence, recalls cowering in his home as smugglers shot it out with the police.
“The only way to survive is to stay out of the way and hope the violence, the bullets, don’t come for you,” Rojas says.
To make their criminal enterprises work, the drug cartels of Mexico need to move billions of dollars across borders. That’s how they finance the purchase of drugs, planes, weapons and safe houses, Senator Gonzalez says.
“They are multinational businesses, after all,” says Gonzalez, as he slowly loads his revolver at his desk in his Mexico City office. “And they cannot work without a bank.”
To contact the reporter on this story: Michael Smith in Santiago, Chile, at [email protected].

Nbadan
10-05-2011, 06:31 PM
Oh,this is working...

The AP has the details of the Tomato Bucket Incident:


Tomato farmer Brian Cash said the migrant workers who would normally be on Chandler Mountain have gone to other states with less restrictive laws.

After talking with famers at the tomato shed, Beason visited the Smith family’s farm. Leroy Smith, Chad Smith’s father, challenged the senator to pick a bucket full of tomatoes and experience the labor-intensive work.

Beason declined but promised to see what could be done to help farmers while still trying to keep illegal immigrants out of Alabama.

Smith threw down the bucket he offered Beason and said, “There, I figured it would be like that.”

Wonkett (http://wonkette.com/454271/dumb-alabama-immigration-law-working-so-well-its-crops-are-rotting#more-454271)

:lol at alabama making itself insignificant...

m>s
10-05-2011, 08:12 PM
Just google "obama administration caught arming drug cartels" and you'll see what I mean. The beaners are a tool of the globalists just as much as CIA founded, backed, and funded al queda is.
the assholes just allow illegals in infiltrate despite what the law says, give them aid and them all will turn "legal" citizens eventually. so the persons that you should really hate are those immigrants with "legal" status imho, some illegals get sort of governmental subsidies but most of them don't. if the government stops granting legal status to any foreigner and any "illegal" alien who's already here, and cuts off all subsidies from them i say they'll all have to either 1. do the shittiest works for the minimum salary & subsistence or 2. move the fuck back to where they came from

if they only take the shittiest jobs & reside in ghettos you'd have no reason to hate em unless you are a true racists who hates them for no reasons

Wild Cobra
10-06-2011, 02:35 AM
A quick thought that might work...

Just make people on the government handouts do the work. Tell them they can do 4 hrs a day, have two teams, and reduce two hours worth of benefits. If the don't, and are able bodied, they lose all benefits. If they don't like the conditions of getting "other people's money," then they can fond their own job.

RandomGuy
10-06-2011, 07:46 AM
Oh,this is working...

The AP has the details of the Tomato Bucket Incident:


Wonkett (http://wonkette.com/454271/dumb-alabama-immigration-law-working-so-well-its-crops-are-rotting#more-454271)

:lol at alabama making itself insignificant...

It will cause a shift from labor intensive produce to things that can be harvested by machine.

Say goodbye to tomatos and strawberries.

MannyIsGod
10-06-2011, 09:03 AM
A quick thought that might work...

Just make people on the government handouts do the work. Tell them they can do 4 hrs a day, have two teams, and reduce two hours worth of benefits. If the don't, and are able bodied, they lose all benefits. If they don't like the conditions of getting "other people's money," then they can fond their own job.

Yeah, you're not authoritarian at all.

Wild Cobra
10-06-2011, 02:44 PM
Yeah, you're not authoritarian at all.
As opposed to what?

Giving people tax payer dollars with no accountability?

If ideas like this make me "relatively" authoritarian to you, then maybe instead, you are an anarchist?

Nbadan
10-08-2011, 12:51 AM
Alabama Law Makes It A Felony For Undocumented Immigrants To Have Water At Their Home

Allgood Water Works officials posted this sign letting customers know they had to prove their legal status.

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/water-image-268x300.jpg


At least one utility company in Alabama posted a sign informing its customers that a section of Alabama’s extreme anti-immigrant law prohibits them from providing water service to undocumented immigrants. According to the sign at Allgood Water Works in Blount County, Alabama, customers must have “an Alabama driver’s license or an Alabama picture ID card on file” by the date that the immigration law went into effect; otherwise, they risked losing their water service.

Sadly, the picture for Alabama’s immigrants is even grimmer than this sign suggests. Indeed, under one provision of the state’s immigration law, HB 56, it is a felony for an undocumented immigrant to even attempt to do business with Alabama’s state-run water agencies:

An alien not lawfully present in the United States shall not enter into or attempt to enter into a business transaction with the state or a political subdivision of the state and no person shall enter into a business transaction or attempt to enter into a business transaction on behalf of an alien not lawfully present in the United States. <...>
A violation of this section is a Class C felony.

DMX7
10-08-2011, 12:54 AM
Alabama is a fucking backwards dump.

ElNono
10-08-2011, 12:55 AM
lol "might work"

Wild Cobra
10-15-2011, 03:50 AM
FYI:

Parts of Alabama immigration law blocked by federal appeals court (http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/14/us/alabama-immigration-law/)

desflood
10-15-2011, 12:27 PM
sorry but your wrong bout YH really, YH is a true nigga from queens and i'd show you proof if you want; and you're wrong about Rogue too, Rogue isn't an immigrant at all cos he never immigrated, he used to have such a plan in the 1990s but having seen all that happened in the past 10 years he's decided to give it up. and im thinking to myself that some other chinks here (e.g. DMC, Drachen, MannyIsGod, Jacob1983 etc...) must be regretting to have immigrated, tbh, and they know damn well that its impossible to have their chinese citizenship back
So Manny, when did you become a chink? I had no idea.

MannyIsGod
10-15-2011, 12:35 PM
Probably when I learned advanced math? :lmao

baseline bum
10-15-2011, 12:45 PM
Is Alabama the state where it's illegal to offer someone a ride in your car without checking immigration status?

Stringer_Bell
10-15-2011, 01:15 PM
A quick thought that might work...

Just make people on the government handouts do the work. Tell them they can do 4 hrs a day, have two teams, and reduce two hours worth of benefits. If the don't, and are able bodied, they lose all benefits. If they don't like the conditions of getting "other people's money," then they can fond their own job.

Um, hello? If those people were worth a damn in the first place they'd be working...so we DO have a responsibility to piggy back them. They're simply too stupid to do anything right, and you want them to pick our veggies and fruits and grains - all things that can lead to disease/bacteria outbreaks? Are you insane?!?!

Wild Cobra
10-15-2011, 03:37 PM
They're simply too stupid to do anything right, and you want them to pick our veggies and fruits and grains - all things that can lead to disease/bacteria outbreaks? Are you insane?!?!
LOL...

I something think the same way of the freeloaders. I don't think stupidity is contagious though. The outbreaks? It happens anyway.

JayTheClown
10-15-2011, 08:08 PM
There are Hispanics in Alabama? Wow, you learn something new everyday.