Apple's keynote (iPhone 5 announcement?)

[NASpurs]

Started half an hour ago and nothing yet.

Gizmodo is reporting that it's confirmed that Sprint are going to start to carry the iphone.

http://gizmodo.com/5846508/confirmed-sprint-will-carry-the-iphone

[Sisk]

if it's a 4S...............

[NASpurs]

Geez, the Apple fanboys are raping servers everywhere. I can't get a good live blog anywhere.

[Sisk]

Engadget has been pretty spotty, but it is the best one I could find.

[MannyIsGod]

Twitter ftw imo

[NASpurs]

http://live.gdgt.com/live-apple-iphone-5-event-coverage/

http://live.arstechnica.com/Event/iPhone_5

Those two seem to be working... for now. :lol

[resistanze]

http://live.gdgt.com/live-apple-iphone-5-event-coverage/

[lefty]

So, IOS 5 in 8 days :

Backup jailbroken iPhone 4

Wipe

Restore IOS 4.3.3

Upgrade to IOS 5

:D

[MannyIsGod]

blah blah blah blah icloud blah blah blah.

Is this shit 4g or not. Just get to the goods.

[Sisk]

I really doubt it's 4G

Have a bad feeling it's going to be some shit 4S upgrade....

(hope I'm terribly wrong)

[MannyIsGod]

Pretty sure you're right, tbh.

[MannyIsGod]

If its not 4g I won't even consider it on Sprint.

[resistanze]

I think IGN stated 10 minutes before the keynote started that they had confirmation it's without 4G.

[NASpurs]

They're talking about the Ipod now. When's the last time the IPod was upgraded?

[Sisk]

I'd be shocked if that exclusive Sprint deal rumor is correct.

[NASpurs]

10:49AM - “There’s a really cool use people have created all their own — accessories like watch bands. We thought that was really fun, so with the updated nano we’ve added 16 new clock faces to make it fun for people who like to wear it as a watch. Why not, right?”


wtf, are people really doing that?

[Sisk]

Yeah, I've never seen it but I've heard of it.

[NASpurs]

IPod Touch

http://c3367471.r71.cf0.rackcdn.com/gdgt-iphone-5-event_038.jpg

[MannyIsGod]

10:49AM - “There’s a really cool use people have created all their own — accessories like watch bands. We thought that was really fun, so with the updated nano we’ve added 16 new clock faces to make it fun for people who like to wear it as a watch. Why not, right?”


wtf, are people really doing that?

Seems kinda cool, TBH.

Ipod Touch still way too damn expensive.

[Sisk]

LOL

apple fucking fail

[NASpurs]

So I'm guessing there's no iPhone 5, just a 4s.

[NASpurs]

12:55 pm "It's dual core graphics, which mean the graphics can be up to 7 times faster than in the previous iPhone."
12:55 pm "This is an Apple designed chip that's remarkable."

[Sisk]

4S.

16 months and they upgrade the processor

lol

[MannyIsGod]

Guess they really care about iphone gaming.

[MannyIsGod]

I guess if it was going to have 4g they would have called it the 4g.

[resistanze]

lawls.

[NASpurs]

So how long before Nintendo and Sony start developing games for the iPhone?

[MannyIsGod]

Does anyone really care about video games on phones beyond something like Angry birds?

[resistanze]

Does anyone really care about video games on phones beyond something like Angry birds?

No.

[NASpurs]

http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/4/3e58d68d-076b-4b1f-bead-98977e5f7558.jpg

[resistanze]

Well, the Galaxy S2 LTE is definitely a go!

[lefty]

Does anyone really care about video games on phones beyond something like Angry birds?
No

[NASpurs]

I think it's a new record but for some reason I'm getting 30 posts in one page here at Spurstalk when usually it's 25.

[lefty]

All I care about is IOS 5 anyway

Still happy with my iPhone 4

[resistanze]

All I care about is IOS 5 anyway

Still happy with my iPhone 4

:tu No need to upgrade for another year.

[NASpurs]

Can somebody tell me what this graphic is supposed to prove?

http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/4/a2858aa6-3894-4f7a-8d09-65c597ec56f8.jpg

[hater]

Can somebody tell me what this graphic is supposed to prove?

http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/10/4/a2858aa6-3894-4f7a-8d09-65c597ec56f8.jpg

it's proving its the beginning of the end at Apple

[hater]

All I care about is IOS 5 anyway

Still happy with my iPhone 4

:lmao 16 months with the same old ass shitphone

:lmao can't even compete with hardware makers anymore

:lmao Apple giving up and sticking to software and marketing

[hater]

:lmao 8 megapixel camera

:lmao most new phones have 12 megapixels

[Sisk]

They failed on more levels than one.

iPhone 4S.. what a joke
destroyed storage capacities on iPods

what the fuck?


Arrogance will be Apple's demise.

[NASpurs]

I got this from another forum:

Apple's Stock update:

365.40 -9.20 (-2.46%)

:lmao

[resistanze]

"What do Droid Bionic customers have to do between taking pictures? Get coffee?"

:lol Good ol' Apple.

[Sisk]

They're comparing time to first shot times on camera's.

Really? No one gives a fuck.

[lefty]

:tu No need to upgrade for another year.
Exactly :tu

[leemajors]

i'm getting one for sure. i play games all day on my phone.

[hater]

:lol a couple of my iphone fanboy co workers are speechless

they actually went straight back to work :lmao

[ElNono]

The new iPhone 4Shit

[ElNono]

iOS 5 isn't all that great. Buggy as shit too. Been running it here on our iPad for a month or so.

[NASpurs]

lol @ incremental upgrades and the average stupid consumer jizzing themselves

[hater]

I got this from another forum:

Apple's Stock update:

365.40 -9.20 (-2.46%)

:lmao

-3.27% now :wakeup

[ElNono]

How stupid is it that your phone does 1080p but the AppleTV maxes out at 720p?

[ElNono]

Siri is neat though

[Sisk]

i can't help but lol at how massive of a failure this is

16 months

processor
camera

Ok we're done! :lmao

[resistanze]

i can't help but lol at how massive of a failure this is

16 months

processor
camera

Ok we're done! :lmao

Siri motherfucker!!!!! :lol

[NASpurs]

2:08PM We're looking at some amazing photos of balloons, flowers, and squirrels. "Do you know how hard it is to make a squirrel stand still?

2:08PM Answer? Really hard people. Really, really hard.

-------------

:lol oh goodness gracious. Thank God for the fast snapshot time of the iPhone to take the picture of that squirrel.

[resistanze]

And why try when you know niggas will be lining up in droves regardless?

[hater]

LOL a Beta version of a voice assistant app. 16 months for a Beta fucking version

[lefty]

:lmao 16 months with the same old ass shitphone

:lmao can't even compete with hardware makers anymore

:lmao Apple giving up and sticking to software and marketing
:lmao

iPhone 4 is still a beast :hat

[NASpurs]

Siri, am I going to get laid today?

[Sisk]

LOL a Beta version of a voice assistant app. 16 months for a Beta fucking version

Is it really?

[ElNono]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/10/iphone5apple2011liveblogkeynote1511.jpg

lol Greece

[Sisk]

:lmao

iPhone 4 is still a beast :hat

Compared to what? An iPhone 3GS?

[hater]

:lmao

iPhone 4 is still a beast :hat

nope

http://mobilementalism.com/imageSnag/5504-4d631029d410c.jpg

[ElNono]

People here thinking it's all about hardware are really missing the point. This Siri stuff is some serious shit.

[ElNono]

Siri = HAL?

[vy65]

People here thinking it's all about hardware are really missing the point. This Siri stuff is some serious shit.

Why? I don't really know much, that's why I'm asking.

[NASpurs]

Fine fine, I'll admit that Siri does seem kind of impressive. I'm just wondering how far along voice recognition has come and the limit to Siri's voice commands.

[NASpurs]

Siri = HAL?

:lmao that's what I thought at well

[TeyshaBlue]

People here thinking it's all about hardware are really missing the point. This Siri stuff is some serious shit.

Its coupled with Wolfram if Im not mistaken....exactly like Edwin on Android that I've been running for the last year or so.

[Sisk]

People here thinking it's all about hardware are really missing the point. This Siri stuff is some serious shit.

It's been 16 months. Siri is cool, no doubt, but they need to do a redesign. That is Apple's MO. That's what people expect.

[NASpurs]

Siri, what's Apple stock right now?

Answer: Change:http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/fi/03rd/down_r.gif 14.31 (3.82%)

[hater]

:lol gazillion of voice recognition software out there. a few are pretty decent. so Apple's is one of them woopedo :rolleyes

[lefty]

iOS 5 isn't all that great. Buggy as shit too. Been running it here on our iPad for a month or so.
Beta version

Beta version

[resistanze]

Siri, what's Apple stock right now?

Answer: Change:http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/fi/03rd/down_r.gif 14.31 (3.82%)

:lol

[lefty]

nope

http://mobilementalism.com/imageSnag/5504-4d631029d410c.jpg
That' s fake :hat

[lefty]

Compared to what? An iPhone 3GS?
Don't be jealous

[ElNono]

Why? I don't really know much, that's why I'm asking.

Because that's what makes the actual experience with every Apple product out there. The seamless software + hardware integration.


Its coupled with Wolfram if Im not mistaken....exactly like Edwin on Android that I've been running for the last year or so.

Wolfram is basically what it falls back to when it can't find anything else. But basically, it integrates with everything on the phone. tbh, I haven't heard/used Edwin.


It's been 16 months. Siri is cool, no doubt, but they need to do a redesign. That is Apple's MO. That's what people expect.

In which way? You mean a new case design?

[ElNono]

Beta version

Beta version

Sure. Doesn't include a bunch of this stuff they're presenting today either.

[hater]

let's see

:lol Siri is a Beta version

:lol Siri can only be obtained if you buy Iphone4s

:lol Siri was the highlight of the presentation

:lol Siri is a beta version

[ElNono]

What's BS is that Siri requires a 4S. That's evil apple BS.

[Dex]

Admittedly pretty underwhelming. Not a good showing for Tim Cook's first major apperance as CEO.

This does not make my portfolio very happy. :td At least the holidays are around the corner, and Sprint joining the party should sell a lot more devices.

[Sisk]

Don't be jealous

I have an iPhone 4...



In which way? You mean a new case design?

Yes. Bigger screen. Higher MP camera. Improve the speakers? Something to change. But they just change the OS and keep everything outside of the processor and camera the same. Major letdown.

Siri is only on the 4S? Fucking apple.

[NASpurs]

Steve Jobs must be rolling in his grave after this keynote.

[Sisk]

LOL @ these prices

WOW

[ElNono]

Well, it is still an iPhone 4, much like the 3GS vs 3G. I expect design changes whenever they introduce the iPhone 5.

[hater]

:lmao $400 and 2 year contract for a cellphone

is this 1999? :lmao

[resistanze]

WTF? Siri is only for 4S? :lol

[ElNono]

Terrible pricing for an 'upgrade'

[Sisk]

Well, it is still an iPhone 4, much like the 3GS vs 3G. I expect design changes whenever they introduce the iPhone 5.

That should have been today. They had the most time they've ever had to prepare for this outside of the original iPhone and they screwed the pooch.

[ElNono]

There's Sprint

[lefty]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTIaK5APlTRxkDLFUlfilz0gI_-NrWkpGsggPwv0Vb4SM6UQYfNTkl8YCaH1g

[ElNono]

That should have been today. They had the most time they've ever had to prepare for this outside of the original iPhone and they screwed the pooch.

Not sure about that. I mean, the hardware on that thing is fairly high end.

[lefty]

I have an iPhone 4....
Sorry :D

[lefty]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTIaK5APlTRxkDLFUlfilz0gI_-NrWkpGsggPwv0Vb4SM6UQYfNTkl8YCaH1ghttp://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTIaK5APlTRxkDLFUlfilz0gI_-NrWkpGsggPwv0Vb4SM6UQYfNTkl8YCaH1g

[ElNono]

Pretty underwhelming, but not unexpected.

[ElNono]

Tim Cook called the iPhone 4S "the most amazing iPhone ever."

:rolleyes

[lefty]

lulz

[resistanze]

Gizmondo's front page:

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2011/10/xlarge_the-new-iphone-4s.jpg

:lol

[lefty]

WGAF about Siri anyway?


Are we that lazy?

Do they want to make us fat ?

[Sisk]

Gizmondo's front page:

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2011/10/xlarge_the-new-iphone-4s.jpg

:lol

:lmao

[ElNono]

Gizmondo's front page:

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2011/10/xlarge_the-new-iphone-4s.jpg

:lol

:lol

[ElNono]

From the NYTimes blog on Siri:

We are clearly headed to Terminator/HAL territory here. Humans are doomed. Deal with it.

:lol

[MannyIsGod]

400? Wtf

[resistanze]

Siri was the coolest thing they presented. The fucked up the cool factor by restricting it to the 4S.

[hater]

:lmao apple fanboys to look more stupid talking to their phone like it's their buddy

[Sisk]

Siri was the coolest thing they presented. The fucked up the cool factor by restricting it to the 4S.

And it's in BETA..

[TheMACHINE]

Galaxy S2 it is.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

The Sprint news was the best news. I wanted to try an android but now I'm just gonna weigh the pros and cons of both. Really wasn't expecting much so the unveiling was ok to me.

[Sisk]

:lmao apple fanboys to look more stupid talking to their phone like it's their buddy

Where are you reading this? I've only been reading bad reactions on other sites.

[lefty]

:lmao apple fanboys to look more stupid talking to their phone like it's their buddy
Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!



I won't go down without a fight !!!!!!!

















Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh !!!!!!!!!!!!



http://gay-nerds.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/recap-gif.gif

[ElNono]

What do you mean? the iPhone is not my buddy? :lol

[MannyIsGod]

I was considering an iphone but no 4g and that price point ended that

[lefty]

:lmao

http://www.apple.com/ca/

[ElNono]

tbh, there's no reason to upgrade my 4. Siri is cool and all, but not worth an upgrade.

Will wait for next year.

[resistanze]

I was considering an iphone but no 4g and that price point ended that

It's BETTER than 4G! Didn't you hear Tim?

[ElNono]

:lmao

http://www.apple.com/ca/

Get an Access Denied. What is it?

[hater]

:lmao

http://www.apple.com/ca/

holy shit www.apple.com is down :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[lefty]

Get an Access Denied. What is it?
They are probably updating the site following the announcements

[hater]

They are probably upadating the site following the announcements

:lol

[lefty]

apple.comS

[resistanze]

Anyone know how much RAM the iPhone 4POS has?

[NASpurs]

512 MB apparently

http://i.imgur.com/8awbH.jpgp

[resistanze]

I saw that chart I was just wondering if the asterisk meant they weren't sure.

[hater]

1gb according to CNET

[Sisk]

I'd bet 512

[resistanze]

Well, it makes sense why they've been suing the shit outta Samsung.

[TheMACHINE]

so the 4s isnt better then the Binoc or the s2?

[PM5K]

Interestingly, Apple usually doesn't say how much RAM their phones have.

[PM5K]

so the 4s isnt better then the Binoc or the s2?

That depends on what you think makes one phone better than another.

[TheMACHINE]

That depends on what you think makes one phone better than another.

i try to compare specs first before OS...(ie ram ghz..etc)

[hater]

http://www.misterbg.org/AppleProductCycle/

[Drachen]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/10/iphone5apple2011liveblogkeynote1511.jpg

lol Greece

I think the fail within a fail right here is apple's attempt at something "magical" this year.

[PM5K]

I try to compare performance, rather than specs. Just because something has a higher spec than something else, doesn't mean it's better.

[hater]

The Apple Product Cycle
An obscure component manufacturer somewhere in the Pacific Rim announces a major order for some bleeding-edge piece of technology that could conceivably become part of an expensive, digital-lifestyle-enhancing nerd toy.


Some hardware geek, the sort who actually reads press releases from obscure Pacific Rim component manufacturers, posts a link to the press release in a Mac Internet forum.


The Mac rumor sites spring into action. Liberally quoting “reliable” sources inside Cupertino, irrelevant “experts,” and each other, they quickly transform baseless speculation into widely accepted fact.Eager Mac-heads fan the flames by flooding the Mac discussion forums with more groundless conjecture.


Threads pop up around feature wish lists, favorite colors, and likely retail price points. In a matter of days, a third-hand, unsubstantiated rumor blossoms into a hand-held device that can do everything except find a girlfriend for a fat, smelly nerd.


Apple issues it customary “we don’t comment on possible future products” statement in response to inquiries about the hypothetical new product.


Mac fanatics are convinced that they're onto something.


The haters enter the fray to introduce fear, uncertainty and doubt. How expensive will the product be? Will it support Windows file formats? Will it work with my ten-year-old Quadra 840AV running Mac OS 8.1?


As Macworld or the Worldwide Developer’s Conference draws near, the chatter builds to a fever pitch. Rumor sites jockey for position, posting a new unverifiable, contradictory rumor every hour or so. eBay is flooded with six-month-old, slightly used gadgets as college students, underemployed web designers and independent musicians struggle to clear credit card space.

[hater]

Steve Jobs spends the first half-hour of his keynote crowing about how many iPods shipped during the previous six months and how many “native applications” have been developed for OS X. Attempting to appear as though it’s just an afterthought, he finally introduces the new Apple product. The product has sleek, clean lines, a diminutive form factor, and less than half of the useful features that everyone was expecting.


Jobs announces that the product is available “immediately.”


Five minutes later, the new product appears on the online Apple store. Orders have an estimated ship date that is four weeks away.The online Apple store takes 50,000 orders in the first 24 hours.Apple’s stock surges as Wall Street analysts proclaim the new device will be “Apple’s savior” and the key to turning around the decades-long decline in Apple’s share of the global PC market.


The haters offer their assessment. The forums are ablaze with vitriolic rage. Haters pan the device for being less powerful than a Cray X1 while zealots counter that it is both smaller and lighter than a Buick Regal. The virtual slap-fight goes on and on, until obscure technical nuances like, “Will it play multiplexed Ogg Vorbis streams?” become matters of life and death.


The editors of popular Mac magazines hail the new device as the next great step toward our utopian digital future. Wired News runs exclusive interviews with the Apple design team. Fortune publishes another glowing fluff piece about Steve Jobs, proclaiming him to be the great visionary behind all technological innovation. Newsweek declares the device the new “must have” item for any self-respecting urban technophile. All of this is written before anybody outside of Cupertino has held the new device in his or her hand.


In the wee hours of the morning on the initial ship date, as the Mac heads lay snug in their beds or take MDMA and dance to bad music, Apple delays everybody’s ship date by four weeks.Rage reigns in the Mac forums.


Lifelong Mac users who would never consider purchasing anything made by Microsoft or Dell, regardless of how shabbily Apple treats them, vent their anguish and frustration. Failing utterly to see the irony of the situation, they prattle on until their panties are twisted in knots.


The rumor sites abound with half-baked theories blaming the shipping delay on everything from heat dissipation problems to SARS. The most obvious explanation, that Apple lied about the initial shipment dates, is ignored in favor of more elaborate and unlikely scenarios.

[ElNono]

http://www.misterbg.org/AppleProductCycle/

^^^
The haters offer their assessment. The forums are ablaze with vitriolic rage. Haters pan the device for being less powerful than a Cray X1 while zealots counter that it is both smaller and lighter than a Buick Regal. The virtual slap-fight goes on and on, until obscure technical nuances like, “Will it play multiplexed Ogg Vorbis streams?” become matters of life and death.

:lol

[lefty]

Unstaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaacked

[Drachen]

so the 4s isnt better then the Binoc or the s2?

or the 3d

[Drachen]

So I am not sure if I read it correctly, but did anyone else see an article (I think it was on engadget or earlier in this thread) that this thing only does EVDO rev A?

[PM5K]

I heard it has a built in 56K modem, and comes with AOL.

[jacobdrj]

I heard it has a built in 56K modem, and comes with AOL.

And I am stuck with a 28.8 modem and PRODIGY on my Android Bionic...

[lefty]

Just watched the Siri video that Apple posted on Youtube.



Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn


Badass

[resistanze]

Just watched the Siri video that Apple posted on Youtube.



Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn


Badass

Wait for the jailbreak to enable it on the iPhone 4 :lol

[lefty]

Wait for the jailbreak to enable it on the iPhone 4 :lol

Shit

Completely forgot :lol

[DJ Mbenga]

apple dissappints, except their fans dont care and ask how high whenever jobs says jump. hopefully ice cream sandwhich and the prime bring more to the table.

[Cry Havoc]

Pretty shocking. Given how much heat they're feeling from Android, I expected Apple to really go nuts on their upgrade this year. Instead... a better camera? They claim it's going to be the best still camera most people ever own? Really? A faster processor that's going to be completely crushed by the Nexus Prime, and they think they can brag about how good games are going to run on their iPhone? It makes absolutely no sense for me for Apple to not try to push for the best hardware but still somehow brag about how they are the best in that department. The Galaxy S II has a faster processor and it's been out a while.

Siri is really cool and that tech has the potential to go a long way, but I hardly ever use Google Voice as it is, and that's a pretty damn stellar voice recognition program. I just don't need to, given that I can usually input what I need as fast as I can say it.

Just an odd lull for Apple after how drastic of a change the iPhone 4 was from the 3GS. Resting on their laurels will get them eaten alive, and everyone would lose in the cell phone game if Apple started slipping.

Oh, and 5GB of online data? Is this 2005? How are you going to upload data to the cloud if you're restricted to 2GB of data per month? I guess you'll have to wait to get home to use Wifi... but doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of a cloud in the first place?

[leemajors]

I've decided I will just wait, try ios5 on my 4, and upgrade my CPU and motherboard and try Rage instead.

CH, I think they may get eaten alive spec-wise before the 5 comes out, but with them coming on Sprint and the iPhone being a worldphone they will absolutely crush sales-wise.

[lefty]

The real reason there's no iPhone 5: The carriers

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/04/07/blog_molly_wood_60x60.png (http://www.cnet.com/profile/mollywood/) By: Molly Wood (http://www.cnet.com/profile/mollywood/) October 4, 2011 4:15 PM PDT

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In retrospect, it shouldn't be a surprise that Apple released a half-step iPhone (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20115502-37/apples-next-iphone-makes-its-debut/) this week, instead of a revolutionary and redesigned iPhone 5 (http://www.cnet.com/iphone-5/). Think about it--the real reason for the iPhone (http://reviews.cnet.com/iphone/) 4S is the same as for the iPhone 3GS (http://reviews.cnet.com/iphone-3gs-review/): carrier contracts are two years long.
The 4S isn't meant to be an upgrade for iPhone 4 users--it's a lure to get new iPhone users in the door, and you iPhone 4 folks will get your iPhone 5 upgrade just in time for a new contract. And if you decide you can't wait and spend big bucks to break your contract or buy the iPhone 4S at full price...well, that was your choice, wasn't it?

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/10/04/iPhone4S_270x156.jpg Is the most amazing iPhone yet good enough?
(Credit: Apple.com)
Look back at Apple's iPhone release history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone) and you'll see that the iPhone 4S is just the next step in the product evolution, which went from 3G to 3GS to 4, and now to 4S. It actually makes perfect sense, once the lust for new technology and new Apple hardware starts to subside. If anything, Apple is playing a very clever shell game with carrier contracts that allows it to grab new buyers every year instead of every two years.
I polled my Twitter brigade (http://twitter.com/#%21/mollywood/status/121324339713937408) after the announcement, asking them whether the iPhone 4 users in the audience would upgrade to the iPhone 4S. The vast majority of iPhone 4 users said no, and the main reason they cited was their contracts. Examples:


@mollywood No way. Vain nerds (me) don't care about behind the scenes improvements, and siri isn't cool enough to warrant contract breakage.

@mollywood I won't. I still have 1 year on my contract, so I'll wait for the next iPhone to "wow" me. The 4GS isn't impressive, IMO.

@mollywood it's a no for me Molly. I didn't upgrade from 3G to 3GS for the same reason - nothing to justify the ETF [early termination fee] That was a pretty standard set of responses from the iPhone 4 set and no surprise, really. (A few said they'd get it no matter what, out of sheer Apple love, but that's to be expected.) On the other hand, here are some responses from 3G owners:


@mollywood iPhone 3GS owner definitely upgrading to an iPhone 4S

@mollywood I am buying, though upgrading from a 3GS, so the reason is pretty obvious. Always wait for the refined product!

@mollywood yes. Wife's 3GS done. She gets my 4, I get 4S Think about the staggering for a second here and you'll see it's a pretty smart strategy on Apple's part. iPhone 3G owners on contract could skip the 3GS and get a meaty upgrade in the iPhone 4, while iPhone 3GS owners can feel great about jumping all the way up to the Siri-enabled iPhone 4S. Meanwhile, iPhone 4 owners get most of the features of iOS 5, minus Siri, and can pay a nice fat premium if they really, really want it. Either way, Apple sells iPhones year after year after year.
Sure, the iConsumer is being played, but the rage is less than what it would be if the forced upgrade march--an inevitability with Apple and all other consumer tech--was moving at a faster clip than the carrier contracts.

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/10/04/iphonetweet.jpg Dissatisfied customer, or future satisfied iPhone 5 customer? Well, both, really.

Granted, the strategy has its risks.
Android competition is fiercer than ever, with new next-generation phones coming out at a furious clip: the Droid Bionic (http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/motorola-droid-bionic-verizon/4505-6452_7-34468463.html), the Samsung Galaxy S II (http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/samsung-galaxy-s-ii/4505-6452_7-34505262.html), and the HTC Evo 4G (http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/htc-evo-4g-review) are each phenomenal dual-core phones, and the Android OS offers nearly all of what iOS 5 just achieved: notifications, Twitter integration, over-the-air upgrades, more advanced browsing, and yes, speech to text features. Obviously, those features aren't as advanced as Siri, which gives undeniably amazing demo (http://cnettv.cnet.com/apple-introduces-voice-recognition-app/9742-1_53-50112627.html), but is it enough to overcome missing extras like a bigger screen, 4G speeds, and expandable storage (especially considering the $399 with contract price of the 64GB iPhone 4S)?
Plus, the Nexus Prime looms on the horizon, with an event coming October 11 (http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-20115325-251/might-this-be-the-nexus-prime/) where we may see not only that phone but Google's Ice Cream Sandwich (http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-20113343-93/ice-cream-sandwich-video-leaked-by-ebay-buyer/) iteration of Android. If the Prime appears in all its dual-core, 4G, 4.5-inch screen, pure Android glory and also supports NFC for mobile payments, plus a camera that's at least equal to the existing iPhone 4 camera, consumers might be wondering why they should bother with a middling upgrade in a sea of superstar phones?
And Apple may be wondering about the wisdom of trickling out minor updates instead of trying to string together a series of grand slams. Me, personally? I had planned to be writing a blog post this week that said I'd preordered my iPhone 5 because Android had its chance and blew it. Now, I'm not so sure. But I'm still not willing to call the iPhone 4S a dropped ball. If anything, it's just the next page in the Apple playbook, and Apple's $90 billion in cash says its been playing pretty well up until now.



Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-20115654-256/the-real-reason-theres-no-iphone-5-the-carriers/#ixzz1ZucuYngq

[Frenzy]

New iPhone ever time a contract ends......no really? You'd have to be slower then the processor to not know that already :lol

[resistanze]

Their strategy might have been to get people like me, who had a 3GS to upgrade, but they've failed because there's nothing impressive about the 4S that would make me buy it over Android phones that have been released recently.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah thats the thing - they're not competing only against other Apple phones. I'm sure people in Sprint will buy some but I would not be shocked to see it be underwhelming. Anyone who really wanted an iphone has had a very long time to jump ship to ATT/Verizon now. And when you compare the 4S to the Photon and Epic Touch I don't see why on earth you'd go for Apple.

[MannyIsGod]

Maybe the world phone capabilities - but thats it.

[leemajors]

Yeah thats the thing - they're not competing only against other Apple phones. I'm sure people in Sprint will buy some but I would not be shocked to see it be underwhelming. Anyone who really wanted an iphone has had a very long time to jump ship to ATT/Verizon now. And when you compare the 4S to the Photon and Epic Touch I don't see why on earth you'd go for Apple.

Sprint seems to have gone pretty much all in on this, I think will they get a lot of new contracts signed. They have stopped bleeding customers but pushing Android hasn't got them a whole lot of new subscribers, esp if they offer unlimited data for the iPhone plans.

[scott]

I'm on the fence on whether to upgrade my 3GS for the 4S. I use the 3GS as a backup to my 4 when it drops... not sure if I want a 4S backed up by a 4.

This is a miss because Apple fans are rabid enough to have sites like MacRumors and the like where they sit around a jerk off all day to dreamt up ideas of the next iPhone. The bar is a lot higher for Apple, so when they make a product still better than 98% of the rest of the market, but not the greatest game changer to-date, its viewed as an uber fail. Of course, it will still dominate sales.

For folks like me - users with multiple Apple devices but no real loyalty to the company - I'll stick with iOS because all of my experiences to date with other smartphones have, plain and simple, sucked a major cock. It's probably because I'm just some South Texas simpleton, but all the impressive hardware the Droids roll out with hasn't meant shit, because it's still been paired with a shitty user interface that isn't as intuitive and simple as the iPhone's. Before I carried two iPhones, my backup was an LG-something or other and it literally drove me to get another iPhone. I just couldn't stand it. I thought about going Droid for my back-up (and still might, I'll have to play with the new ones. Is the Nexus Prime on AT&T?), but to date nothing has done it for me.

[PM5K]

I'm not sure the contract argument works when AT&T is always offering early discounted upgrades.

I can't speak for anyone else but the upgrade would cost me right around 340.00. If I can sell my iPhone 4 for 300-340, I'd probably do so.

As for being underwhelmed, I'm not sure why anyone is surprised based on Apple's release history.

All this spec bs gets old to me. My iPhone 4 does everything I throw at it, and I'm sure it will do SIRI too with some hacks. At this point we're sort of getting where PC's have gotten, which is to say nobody really needs a new one because there isn't much of anything software wise pushing the need for new hardware.

[ElNono]

Yeah thats the thing - they're not competing only against other Apple phones. I'm sure people in Sprint will buy some but I would not be shocked to see it be underwhelming. Anyone who really wanted an iphone has had a very long time to jump ship to ATT/Verizon now. And when you compare the 4S to the Photon and Epic Touch I don't see why on earth you'd go for Apple.

Uh?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203405504576603053795839250.html?m od=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories

Basically, Apple told them you have to buy 3.5 million units, whether you sell them or not, I don't care. That's the kind of leverage Apple has with their phones.

tbqh, then whole "Apple getting heat from Android" is non-existent, IMO. Sure, people go out there and buy whatever they want (and I personally was underwhelmed with the 4S as much as I was with the 3GS), but the reality here is that Apple is raping everyone in margins and their devices are still incredibly sought after.

[Cry Havoc]

tbqh, then whole "Apple getting heat from Android" is non-existent, IMO. Sure, people go out there and buy whatever they want (and I personally was underwhelmed with the 4S as much as I was with the 3GS), but the reality here is that Apple is raping everyone in margins and their devices are still incredibly sought after.

If that's the case, that's a phenomenally stupid business strategy. See: Nintendo, GM, Sony, and just about every company that ever got to the top and then felt they were so invincible they could just ignore competition.

[leemajors]

If that's the case, that's a phenomenally stupid business strategy. See: Nintendo, GM, Sony, and just about every company that ever got to the top and then felt they were so invincible they could just ignore competition.

I'm pretty sure what happened to Apple previously is always in the back of their minds. Just saying.

[PM5K]

I thought it was 30.5, not 3.5?

[NASpurs]

iPhone 4S Upgrade Kit for iPhone 4 Owners Is Only 99 Cents

Link (http://gizmodo.com/5846982/iphone-4s-upgrade-kit-for-iphone-owners-is-only-99-cents)

[PM5K]

When I sell my iPhone 4 for 339.01 it will be.

[MannyIsGod]

Uh?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203405504576603053795839250.html?m od=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories

Basically, Apple told them you have to buy 3.5 million units, whether you sell them or not, I don't care. That's the kind of leverage Apple has with their phones.

tbqh, then whole "Apple getting heat from Android" is non-existent, IMO. Sure, people go out there and buy whatever they want (and I personally was underwhelmed with the 4S as much as I was with the 3GS), but the reality here is that Apple is raping everyone in margins and their devices are still incredibly sought after.

DAMN Sprint has to move 3.5 million units? Doesn't that seem really high?

[MannyIsGod]

Wait the article says 30.5 million units. WHAT THE FUCK?

[MannyIsGod]

That has to be a typo right?


Sprint, the No. 3 U.S. wireless carrier, is making a multibillion-dollar gamble that access to the iPhone will be the ticket to a turnaround. Sprint has committed to buy at least 30.5 million iPhones, even though it would likely lose money on the deal until 2014, according to people familiar with the matter.

Read more: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203405504576603053795839250.html#i xzz1ZwT1tOOV

[MannyIsGod]

:lol its not a typo. What the hell. I guess I can kiss my unlimited data from Sprint goodbye because its only a matter of time before they go under if they're betting the farm on selling 30.5 million iphone 4s.

[PM5K]

My understanding is that it's 30 million units over 4 years. People can talk all the smack they want but show me another phone that's sold 30 million units before it was even available for preorder.

(Hopefully for Sprint it's 7.5 million of each generation, but still 7.5 million 4S ain't too shabby)

[PM5K]

Nvm

[MannyIsGod]

Sprint has 33 million subscribers total. They basically have to hope half of them buy an iphone and upgraded it exactly on the 2 year mark. Good luck with that.

[PM5K]

I think they've got to be hoping they get more subscribers as well, lol.

[MannyIsGod]

Well before that happens they need to focus on keeping the ones they already have.

[Trainwreck2100]

might have been easier to get new subscribers if this phone wasn't so underwhelming. They'll probably have vto wait for the true iphone 5 to get a proper migration. And they have to find a way to keep the data unlimited in the meantime

[TheMACHINE]

Rip steve jobs

[leemajors]

Rip steve jobs

No kidding, wow RIP

[ElNono]

If that's the case, that's a phenomenally stupid business strategy. See: Nintendo, GM, Sony, and just about every company that ever got to the top and then felt they were so invincible they could just ignore competition.

Staying at the top is an everyday job, and applies to every company just the same. It's not about feeling invincible, it's about being on top of things all the time.

[ElNono]

:lol its not a typo. What the hell. I guess I can kiss my unlimited data from Sprint goodbye because its only a matter of time before they go under if they're betting the farm on selling 30.5 million iphone 4s.

I told you. That's leverage.

[Trainwreck2100]

now with jobs dead there's no one to step in if apple don't get their shit together like in the 90s

[leemajors]

one million pre-orders in the first day, broke previous records.

[DJ Mbenga]

people are so dissapointed with the announcement they clicked order while angry. again apple said jump, fanboys asked how high

[ElNono]

I still think this is Jobs' carryover. We'll see what Cook introduces next. It can't be underwhelming as this thing. Especially products like iPad that are not tied to a contract cycle.

[resistanze]

Yeah this is definitely the 2pac effect imo

[Nathan Explosion]

I still think this is Jobs' carryover. We'll see what Cook introduces next. It can't be underwhelming as this thing. Especially products like iPad that are not tied to a contract cycle.

I thought I read that Jobs had the next 4 devices or something like that already outlined for Apple to develop so the transition can be smooth.

[Trainwreck2100]

I thought I read that Jobs had the next 4 devices or something like that already outlined for Apple to develop so the transition can be smooth.

4 which apple will most likely stretch to 6 or 8

[ElNono]

I thought I read that Jobs had the next 4 devices or something like that already outlined for Apple to develop so the transition can be smooth.

Baloney I say... Tech evolves quickly. I know people like to say the guy was far ahead of the game, but 4 products is almost a 2 year cycle for Apple, and that's a lot of time. We'll see.

[hater]

LMAO "next 4 devices"


pretty soon Apple fanboys will start believing Steve Jobs has setup an email address at the domain @heaven.com and is conducting business as usual from the afterlife :lol

Wake the fuck up. Steve Jobs is dead. Apple is a sailboat with no captain.

[ElNono]

BTW, iOS 5 is out.

[ElNono]

pretty soon Apple fanboys will start believing Steve Jobs has setup an email address at the domain @heaven.com and is conducting business as usual from the afterlife :lol

Wake the fuck up. Steve Jobs is dead. Apple is a sailboat with no captain.

He's still working from heaven, tbh. Here's proof:

http://i52.tinypic.com/s3kpys.jpg

:lol

[resistanze]

:lol

[lefty]

ios 5 is now on my iPhone


Fuck Yes

[leemajors]

ios 5 is now on my iPhone


Fuck Yes

still restoring my 11GB of apps dammit!

[lefty]

still restoring my 11GB of apps dammit!
patience :lol

[ElNono]

Coming in 2012...

http://i53.tinypic.com/2qstogx.jpg

:lol

[Viva Las Espuelas]

still restoring my 11GB of apps dammit!

Gawwwww

[Viva Las Espuelas]

BTW, iOS 5 is out.

I read that it's ok on the 3GS. If not, I'm coming back here in the spirit of hater. Believe, you, me.......

[ElNono]

I read that it's ok on the 3GS. If not, I'm coming back here in the spirit of hater. Believe, you, me.......

Wait till monday... update servers are crazy bad right now...

[lefty]

Wait till monday... update servers are crazy bad right now...

Lol

Took my laptop to the office today

By 2 pm ET I had IOS 5 running on my iPhone 4

[Viva Las Espuelas]

wow. i dig it. took about 50 minutes to download. very nice

[lefty]

wow. i dig it. took about 50 minutes to download. very nice

Yup.

Movies and sound quality seem to be better too

[ElNono]

tbh, I bricked my iPhone 4 trying to update today from 1PM EST. Then about at 11PM I finally was able to go through the update servers and do a full restore then restore from a backup.

Now I'm all set, but it was far from smooth sailing this time.

[resistanze]

I have a 3GS I got from a friend (screen is fucked up on some areas). Dowloading iOS 5 yesterday at 1:30 took only 10 minutes, but I can't install the update. I keep getting these retarded errors in iTunes (most recent one is 1016 error).

[Viva Las Espuelas]

The only bump in the road I had was an error occurred during the install. Don't remember the code. I downloaded it first instead of doing the download+install combo deal. I felt I would have less trouble <shrugs> I got that error then just installed again and I was good. The display is a little crisper. Probably just my imagination. Finding stuff out little by little. Definitely not slowing down my phone.

[lefty]

3GS is not slower on IOS 5

But the iPad 2 and iPhone 4 are snappier

[Drachen]

tbh, I bricked my iPhone 4 trying to update today from 1PM EST. Then about at 11PM I finally was able to go through the update servers and do a full restore then restore from a backup.

Now I'm all set, but it was far from smooth sailing this time.

http://margaritadelnorte.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/inigo-montoya.gif

I do not think that word means what you think that it means.

[ElNono]

I do not think that word means what you think that it means.

Brick (electronics) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brick_%28electronics%29)

[NASpurs]

It's been confirmed that the 4S has 512 MB after iFixit tore apart the phone.

http://gizmodo.com/5849548/confirmed-the-iphone-4s-has-only-512mb-of-ram

[ElNono]

Daring Fireball (http://daringfireball.net/2011/10/iphone_4s) reported it yesterday

[Cry Havoc]

Brick (electronics) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brick_%28electronics%29)

Ehhhh most of the time I've heard brick used it's meant to be permanent. But yeah, lately I've been hearing it more casually used.