LOL Reid blocks vote on Obama jobs bill

[CosmicCowboy]

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-campaign-says-gop-blocking-jobs-bill-after-reid-blocks-jobs-bill_595022.html

The Obama campaign sent out an email today asking supporters to urge Congress to at least vote on the president’s jobs almost immediately after Democratic majority leader Harry Reid blocked a vote on the bill in the Senate.

On the Senate floor today, Republican leader Mitch McConnell asked for unanimous consent to proceed on voting on the bill. Reid, who has struggled to find enough votes for the bill in the Democratic caucus, objected to the motion and killed the opportunity for a vote.

About ten minutes later, Jim Messina, Obama’s 2012 campaign manager, emailed this message to supporters:

President Obama is in Dallas today urging Americans who support the American Jobs Act to demand that Congress pass it already.

Though it's been nearly a month since he laid out this plan, House Republicans haven't acted to pass it. And House Majority Leader Eric Cantor is out there actually bragging that they won't even put the jobs package up for a vote -- ever.

It's not clear which part of the bill they now object to: building roads, hiring teachers, getting veterans back to work. They're willing to block the American Jobs Act -- and they think you won't do anything about it.

But here's something you can do: Find Republican members of Congress on Twitter, call them out, and demand they pass this bill.

So will the Obama campaign be asking its supporters to "call out" Harry Reid and "demand" he and Senate Democrats pass the bill?

[CosmicCowboy]

Obama just doesn't get it. His boys in congress don't want to vote for raising taxes in an election year.

[boutons_deux]

the vote was killed, not the bill.

and yes, the Repugs will kill it, Cantor said it's totally dead.

[boutons_deux]

The Repugs have denied, limited, compromised any successes that the Dems propose.

The Repugs don't GAS about how many Human-Americans suffer for how long, and will blame it all on the Dems.

[CosmicCowboy]

Dumbass. Reid is the DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY leader in the SENATE. He doesn't have the votes to pass the bill.

[Wild Cobra]

the vote was killed, not the bill.

and yes, the Repugs will kill it, Cantor said it's totally dead.
Perhaps, but gReid killing it is gold.

[boutons_deux]

Reid doesn't have a super majority, which he needs to overcome the Repug filibuster.

The Dems have never had a super-majority since Barry was elected.

[Yonivore]

Perhaps, but gReid killing is is gold.
Comedy gold.

Is there even a bill yet?

Does anyone know the bill number?

[Th'Pusher]

CC a dupe for McConnell's partisan politics.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/mcconnell-reid-vie-for-headlines-over-obama-jobs-bill.php?ref=fpb



Mitch McConnell just pulled a made-for-headlines trick on the Senate floor, challenging Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) to allow an immediate vote on President Obama's jobs bill -- not as a stand-alone measure, but as an amendment to the China currency legislation the Senate is currently debating.

Obama's been demanding that Congress pass his jobs bill day in and day out for weeks, so the tactic had an obvious allure. It wasn't done in the spirit of debating the jobs bill, or even giving it an up or down vote. It was to generate headlines like, "McConnell demands vote on Obama jobs bill" or "Reid blocks vote on Obama jobs bill." Or if Reid had allowed the vote, the headlines could've read "Dems Join Republicans In Rebuffing Obama Jobs Bill."

Pretty clever. But it's not the whole story.

Reid's plan is to set the jobs bill up for a test vote later in October, but as a stand-alone proposition. That vote, if successful, would allow the Senate to debate the legislation -- argue about it on the floor, offer amendments. But it will likely run headlong into a GOP-led filibuster. If it does, Dems will be able to claim Republicans won't even allow debate on the jobs package, and try to win the battle for public perception.

McConnell tried to short circuit that plan Tuesday by offering the Senate a chance to tack Obama's jobs bill, unamended, on to the China currency legislation -- a bill that already enjoys broad bipartisan support. As McConnell predicted, Reid objected. And he got his headlines.

But that's not the end of the story. Or rather, the story's not in those headlines. Reid also offered McConnell several options, including to delay debate on the China currency bill and hold the first test vote on the jobs bill today, but as a stand-alone measure. But of course, that woudn't have given McConnell what he wanted -- either to have Reid obstruct Obama's jobs bill, or for Obama's jobs bill to fail on a bipartisan basis. So he wasn't exactly keen on it. Thus, no vote for Obama's jobs bill today, unless it's on McConnell's terms.

This, I think it's safe to say, is why Congress' approval rating is at a record high.

[Nbadan]

Whether this bill passes or not Obama has already won. It was all a political maneuver anyway..now Obama has something to run on besides "stupid tea-baggers' and wing-nuts can be painted as anti-job-creation...

[Spurminator]

Whether this bill passes or not Obama has already won. It was all a political maneuver anyway..now Obama has something to run on besides "stupid tea-baggers' and wing-nuts can be painted as anti-job-creation...

That's awesome, I'm sure the unemployed and underemployed in this country can't wait to reap the benefits of clever political maneuvers.

[Th'Pusher]

That's awesome, I'm sure the unemployed and underemployed in this country can't wait to reap the benefits of clever political maneuvers.

Yep. It's a sad state of affairs. I personally think Obama attempted good faith negotiations but ultimately resorted to partisain politics when he realized there was going to be no real negotiations with these republicans. They're not interested in moving the country forward, they're interested in defeating Obama at any cost.

He really should have known that coming in. Hillary would have :)

[Nbadan]

That's awesome, I'm sure the unemployed and underemployed in this country can't wait to reap the benefits of clever political maneuvers.

:rolleyes

Had this bill passed it would help the poor, but with the do-nothing congress this bill had little chance of success....so why shouldn't the Democrats use it against the GOP?

[Yonivore]

Reid won't let it go to the floor for a vote because he doesn't have enough votes. He doesn't have enough votes because there are Democrats that won't even vote for this piece of crap.

[ChumpDumper]

You guys really do get excited about parliamentary procedures.

[boutons_deux]

"piece of crap"

Any jobs or economy stimulating proposals from the Repugs? (other than cut taxes on the wealthy and corps and cost-shift to the lower 95%?)

or do Americans just sit on their humongous fat asses and hope Wall St's mocking champagne drinkers and the sacred free market work its magic?

If you had a magic wand, what would you propose, Yoni, you supreme economic/political guru?

[Th'Pusher]

If you had a magic wand, what would you propose, Yoni, you supreme economic/political guru?

Lower taxes, reduce the job killing regulation, yada, yada, yada. There are no new ideas from these right-wing ideologues.

[MannyIsGod]

You guys really do get excited about parliamentary procedures.

[MannyIsGod]

Can I get a nonbinding resolution up in this bitch?

[CosmicCowboy]

:lmao @ the people in here that think the Federal government borrowing and pissing off another half billion dollars is really going to help the economy.

[Th'Pusher]

:lmao @ the people in here that think the Federal government borrowing and pissing off another half billion dollars is really going to help the economy.

What's your proposal? Let me guess, lower taxes and less regulation.

[CosmicCowboy]

What's your proposal? Let me guess, lower taxes and less regulation.

This crash was caused by too much debt, both federal, state, and personal that led to an over-consumption bubble in the economy. When the bubble burst the party ended. People in the private sector (both individuals and companies) get it and have been paying off debt like crazy (thus not spending money to stimulate the economy). States are doing the same thing and making the hard choices to live within their means. When debt in ALL sectors of the economy (public and private) finally gets back in balance the economy will recover. This is the bulge in the snake and it just takes time. Pissing off more borrowed money at the fed level will just aggravates the problem, not solve it.

[George Gervin's Afro]

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-campaign-says-gop-blocking-jobs-bill-after-reid-blocks-jobs-bill_595022.html

The Obama campaign sent out an email today asking supporters to urge Congress to at least vote on the president’s jobs almost immediately after Democratic majority leader Harry Reid blocked a vote on the bill in the Senate.

On the Senate floor today, Republican leader Mitch McConnell asked for unanimous consent to proceed on voting on the bill. Reid, who has struggled to find enough votes for the bill in the Democratic caucus, objected to the motion and killed the opportunity for a vote.

About ten minutes later, Jim Messina, Obama’s 2012 campaign manager, emailed this message to supporters:

President Obama is in Dallas today urging Americans who support the American Jobs Act to demand that Congress pass it already.

Though it's been nearly a month since he laid out this plan, House Republicans haven't acted to pass it. And House Majority Leader Eric Cantor is out there actually bragging that they won't even put the jobs package up for a vote -- ever.

It's not clear which part of the bill they now object to: building roads, hiring teachers, getting veterans back to work. They're willing to block the American Jobs Act -- and they think you won't do anything about it.

But here's something you can do: Find Republican members of Congress on Twitter, call them out, and demand they pass this bill.

So will the Obama campaign be asking its supporters to "call out" Harry Reid and "demand" he and Senate Democrats pass the bill?

gullible..lol

[Th'Pusher]

This crash was caused by too much debt, both federal, state, and personal that led to an over-consumption bubble in the economy. When the bubble burst the party ended. People in the private sector (both individuals and companies) get it and have been paying off debt like crazy (thus not spending money to stimulate the economy). States are doing the same thing and making the hard choices to live within their means. When debt in ALL sectors of the economy (public and private) finally gets back in balance the economy will recover. This is the bulge in the snake and it just takes time. Pissing off more borrowed money at the fed level will just aggravates the problem, not solve it.

You have to account for fiscal drag. There is nothing wrong with short term spending to prop up the economy as long as we have a long term plan to reduce the debt. Now would be the best time to invest in infrastructure. Labor/Material is cheap. Why not now? The government is responsible for infrastructure, no?

[CosmicCowboy]

gullible..lol

As opposed to GGA just being plain fucking stupid lol.

[boutons_deux]

:lmao @ the people in here that think the Federal government borrowing and pissing off another half billion dollars is really going to help the economy.

What's your proposal to resolve the Banksters' Great Jobs Depression?

My guess: "I'm doing really well, so fuck everybody else"

[George Gervin's Afro]

As opposed to GGA just being plain fucking stupid lol.

but,but,but i heard on fox news and talk radio say that reid blocked the 'procedural' bill..

gullible..lol

[Borat Sagyidev]

http://www.unliberaledwoman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/sullivan_blogger_reality.jpg

[CosmicCowboy]

You have to account for fiscal drag. There is nothing wrong with short term spending to prop up the economy as long as we have a long term plan to reduce the debt. Now would be the best time to invest in infrastructure. Labor/Material is cheap. Why not now? The government is responsible for infrastructure, no?

Infrastructure spending doesn't happen overnight and if the goal is to stimulate the economy in 2011-2012 that isn't your magic bullet. Remember Obama admitting that those "shovel ready" jobs weren't really shovel ready? Besides, short term road construction jobs are not going to solve the "unemployment" problem. The majority of the unemployed don't have the desire or skill to do road construction.

[Wild Cobra]

What's your proposal? Let me guess, lower taxes and less regulation.
Mine would be to address the trade imbalance. Bring blue collar jobs back to our shores.

[CosmicCowboy]

Mine would be to address the trade imbalance. Bring blue collar jobs back to our shores.

Bullshit. Those jobs aren't coming back. The emerging economies have too many people that want to work and will work for less than American workers. See Manny in the other thread. He wouldn't do manual labor outside for $90,000 a year.

[Wild Cobra]

You have to account for fiscal drag. There is nothing wrong with short term spending to prop up the economy as long as we have a long term plan to reduce the debt. Now would be the best time to invest in infrastructure. Labor/Material is cheap. Why not now? The government is responsible for infrastructure, no?
Problem...

There is no plan to keep people employed. We're doing pretty good at keeping Asia employed, but not our own people.

What are people going to do for work when the tax dollar paid jobs dry up, and how are our children going to pay that debt?

[Th'Pusher]

Infrastructure spending doesn't happen overnight and if the goal is to stimulate the economy in 2011-2012 that isn't your magic bullet. Remember Obama admitting that those "shovel ready" jobs weren't really shovel ready? Besides, short term road construction jobs are not going to solve the "unemployment" problem. The majority of the unemployed don't have the desire or skill to do road construction.

Got it. You would do nothing more than compound the problem by further reducing federal spending. Fuck it. Forget 4 trillion over 10 years, let see if we can reduce federal spending by 4 trillion by next year!

[Wild Cobra]

Bullshit. Those jobs aren't coming back. The emerging economies have too many people that want to work and will work for less than American workers. See Manny in the other thread. He wouldn't do manual labor outside for $90,000 a year.
Is that your answer? Give up? Without employing people here, we are doomed.

We need to disassemble the trade agreements we have. tariff imports if necessary. Lower or eliminate corporate taxes that produce products here. Move to a consumption tax instead of the production tax we have now.

[Th'Pusher]

What are people going to do for work when the tax dollar paid jobs dry up

Ideally the stimulus would have a multiplier effect helping the economy recover so additional stimulus isn't needed.


and how are our children going to pay that debt? Obama has the super committee with offsetting the cost of the bill.

[Wild Cobra]

Ideally the stimulus would have a multiplier effect helping the economy recover so additional stimulus isn't needed.

Obama has the super committee with offsetting the cost of the bill.
LOL...

Fat chance. Unless we find good paying jobs to replace those we lost to free trade, we are doomed.

Why does everyone address what they are told to address in the news?

[CosmicCowboy]

Ideally the stimulus would have a multiplier effect helping the economy recover so additional stimulus isn't needed.

Obama has the super committee with offsetting the cost of the bill.

:lmao

That's rich. The super committee will not come up with a plan that can pass an up/down vote. Get ready for across the board cuts.

[CosmicCowboy]

LOL...

Fat chance. Unless we find good paying jobs to replace those we lost to free trade, we are doomed.

Why does everyone address what they are told to address in the news?

WC, a lot of those jobs are just gone. They are obsolete. Technology and the world has passed them by. The sooner people accept that and lower their expectations the better.

[Th'Pusher]

WC, a lot of those jobs are just gone. They are obsolete. Technology and the world has passed them by. The sooner people accept that and lower their expectations the better.

Well at least we agree on one thing.

[clambake]

wc is right. at the very least.....force overseas manufacturers to operate some of their plants here.

[ElNono]

The currency manipulation China has done over the years and still does is completely artificial. So while a free-market champion would mull over implementing tariffs on their goods, I think some sort of economic damage compensation in the form of tariff or some such should be in place until they stop doing it. Obviously, that would trigger an outcry from them, and potentially the US would lose a very important lender, but isn't that something we need to get to eventually?

[Wild Cobra]

WC, a lot of those jobs are just gone. They are obsolete. Technology and the world has passed them by. The sooner people accept that and lower their expectations the better.
I don't think there is enough of an economy left now to be stable, even if people accept a lower standard of living. We still need to reduce spending to levels maintainable by taxation. Less wages means less tax revenue. We cannot maintain these deficits.

[Nbadan]

The currency manipulation China has done over the years and still does is completely artificial. So while a free-market champion would mull over implementing tariffs on their goods, I think some sort of economic damage compensation in the form of tariff or some such should be in place until they stop doing it.

You need to watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JoyICg4qbQ

[Wild Cobra]

I haven't finished watching this video yet, nor do I know how long it is. However, this is so far what I have understood:

link (http://w3.newsmax.com/a/aftershockb/video.cfm)

[Wild Cobra]

Between 15 and 20 minutes, I start disagreeing with what he says. FYI... This is an infomercial also. Didn't know that when I discovered it, still interesting though.

[admiralsnackbar]

WC, a lot of those jobs are just gone. They are obsolete. Technology and the world has passed them by. The sooner people accept that and lower their expectations the better.

That you say this in the same breath as the one you use to crap on the jobs bill seems absurd to me. Infrastructure development is precisely the sort of job market that people with lowered expectations might be expected to take on.

People need jobs, even people who have been trained for professions that were supposed to earn much more than ditch digging. Many people have their parents to shield them from having to deign to accept shitty jobs to pay off their educations and mortgages and living expenses and health insurance, but I'm inclined to think that more people find themselves in real trouble right now -- trouble of the sort that the shrinking white collar job market and an unstable, economic bellwether service industry job market will not be able to relieve. It's increasingly clear the recession isn't a hiccup to be waited out.

Beyond that, infrastructure development isn't just busywork: the Minneapolis I-35 bridge collapse is an extreme example, but it's emblematic of a whole raft of similar problems that need addressing if private enterprise is going to continue to be able to offer business as usual.

[boutons_deux]

WC adores the globalized free market and unregulated capitalism, but that's EXACTLY what has destroyed and will continue to destroy US jobs market as UCA continues to create more jobs overseas while destroying jobs in US,

and esp by NOT punishing China for holding its currency 30% below its real value and

for not playing by WTO rules by subsidizing in companies with $30B/year (from the $Ts in $ reserves, ie, US taxpayer $ hosed into China as US bonds interest payments).

WC is also has said US workers are overpaid and need to be paid low enough to compete with South and East Asians.

Obama's challenge to the Repugs to say why they are against his or any jobs bill will go seriously unanswered.

Obama should also throw back at them their campaign shtick of "Where are the jobs?" The Repugs pro-cyclical spending cuts will kill 100Ks, maybe Ms, of jobs. But that's exactly what they want as 2012 election strategy. Repugs hurt Human-Americans to the max and blame it on Obama.

[Wild Cobra]

That you say this in the same breath as the one you use to crap on the jobs bill seems absurd to me. Infrastructure development is precisely the sort of job market that people with lowered expectations might be expected to take on.

People need jobs, even people who have been trained for professions that were supposed to earn much more than ditch digging. Many people have their parents to shield them from having to deign to accept shitty jobs to pay off their educations and mortgages and living expenses and health insurance, but I'm inclined to think that more people find themselves in real trouble right now -- trouble of the sort that the shrinking white collar job market and an unstable, economic bellwether service industry job market will not be able to relieve. It's increasingly clear the recession isn't a hiccup to be waited out.

Beyond that, infrastructure development isn't just busywork: the Minneapolis I-35 bridge collapse is an extreme example, but it's emblematic of a whole raft of similar problems that need addressing if private enterprise is going to continue to be able to offer business as usual.
In the past, when wars or infrastructure have bettered our economy, we were already making almost all our products within our borders. Sure, infrastructure is still the way to go for helping the economy of the tax payer's dime, but it is no longer a starter. Once the finances are taken away, the help it did also disappears, because it put the Asians to work making the extra products we consumed instead of our own people. There is no sustaining loop afterwards.

[Wild Cobra]

WC adores the globalized free market and unregulated capitalism, but that's EXACTLY what has destroyed and will continue to destroy US jobs market as UCA continues to create more jobs overseas while destroying jobs in US,

and esp by NOT punishing China for holding its currency 30% below its real value and

for not playing by WTO rules by subsidizing in companies with $30B/year (from the $Ts in $ reserves, ie, US taxpayer $ hosed into China as US bonds interest payments).

WC is also has said US workers are overpaid and need to be paid low enough to compete with South and East Asians.

Obama's challenge to the Repugs to say why they are against his or any jobs bill will go seriously unanswered.

Obama should also throw back at them their campaign shtick of "Where are the jobs?" The Repugs pro-cyclical spending cuts will kill 100Ks, maybe Ms, of jobs. But that's exactly what they want as 2012 election strategy. Repugs hurt Human-Americans to the max and blame it on Obama.
When you continually get people's viewpoints wrong, we will continue to think of you as the joke you are.

[admiralsnackbar]

In the past, when wars or infrastructure have bettered our economy, we were already making almost all our products within our borders. Sure, infrastructure is still the way to go for helping the economy of the tax payer's dime, but it is no longer a starter. Once the finances are taken away, the help it did also disappears, because it put the Asians to work making the extra products we consumed instead of our own people. There is no sustaining loop afterwards.
What about the sustaining loop of having dependable roads upon which to go to your job? What about having dependable national vectors of delivery? Once the work is done, it's done -- I agree. But that doesn't mean the work stops yielding economic benefits.

[Wild Cobra]

What about the sustaining loop of having dependable roads upon which to go to your job? What about having dependable national vectors of delivery? Once the work is done, it's done -- I agree. But that doesn't mean the work stops yielding economic benefits.
OK, we could use some roads patched up. When I drove through the east coast some years back, I couldn't believe how poorly the roads were maintained compared to the Northwest.

Still, the current jobs in government are not sustainable without more revenue. For more revenue, we need more tax payers. There are not enough rich to soak. Even if you could soak the rich for 100% of their income and wealth, it gets you nowhere compared to how big government spending has become.

Without addressing the root problem of jobs migrating to Asia and other countries, we are simply doomed and the globes wealthiest nation. We will all hurt. Not just the poor, whose jobs went to Asia. We have a serious trade deficit. It used to be just a concern, but now, it is threatening our way of life.

[boutons_deux]

"There are not enough rich to soak."

Roll back all of dubya's tax cuts, roll back St Ronnie's capital gains tax cut, cut $200B from DoD, kill loopholes for corps, and stop both wars. Plenty of money for govt and Human-Americans to have a dignified, financially secure lives.

Policies, pushed mostly from VRWC/conservatives/Repugs, not market forces or Acts of God, have screwed up American, policies can be unscrewed.

[Wild Cobra]

Yes Boutons, we know. You will never agree corporations have the same rights as a person until Perry executes one.