OWS vs. Tea Party compared

[cheguevara]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/oct/07/occupy-wall-street-tea-party

The Tea Party, under one name or another, has actually been part of American politics for a long time. It is a movement that yearns for the restoration of an imaginary past, when the world was simple, men were men, women were women, leaders were white males, when the church steeple reigned over little towns and, aside from vaudeville, minorities had no public presence. Consistently, the Tea Party sympathisers in American politics today are almost all white, and they are better-off and older than the general population. That is why they chant "Take it back! Take it back! Take it back!" at their rallies. And their politics of hazy nostalgia is also why they are eagerly supported by rightwing business leaders.

By contrast, the Occupy Wall Street people are mainly young, racially diverse, happily countercultural and, above all, eagerly inclusive. And contrary to early media reports, they are thoughtful and well-informed. Where Tea Partiers chanted confused slogans like "Get government's hands off my Medicare!", the Occupy Wall Street protesters issue well thought-out proclamations about a future defined by cooperation and a democracy freed from the clutches of economic oligarchy.

[Yonivore]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/oct/07/occupy-wall-street-tea-party

The Tea Party, under one name or another, has actually been part of American politics for a long time. It is a movement that yearns for the restoration of an imaginary past, when the world was simple, men were men, women were women, leaders were white males, when the church steeple reigned over little towns and, aside from vaudeville, minorities had no public presence. Consistently, the Tea Party sympathisers in American politics today are almost all white, and they are better-off and older than the general population. That is why they chant "Take it back! Take it back! Take it back!" at their rallies. And their politics of hazy nostalgia is also why they are eagerly supported by rightwing business leaders.
Well, that would certainly explain why Herman Cain aligns himself with the Tea Party ideology and why a full quarter of self-identified Tea Partiers are Cain supporters.

The Tea Party movement is for one thing...a return to limited government.


By contrast, the Occupy Wall Street people are mainly young, racially diverse, happily countercultural and, above all, eagerly inclusive. And contrary to early media reports, they are thoughtful and well-informed. Where Tea Partiers chanted confused slogans like "Get government's hands off my Medicare!", the Occupy Wall Street protesters issue well thought-out proclamations about a future defined by cooperation and a democracy freed from the clutches of economic oligarchy.
:lmao

The OWS protesters are a bunch of malcontent Che Guevara wannabes, being herded by George Soros, the Unions, and socialist organizations, that have no clue how a nation's economy works and what their role in the current debacle has been.

[CosmicCowboy]

Well, that would certainly explain why Herman Cain aligns himself with the Tea Party ideology and why a full quarter of self-identified Tea Partiers are Cain supporters.

The Tea Party movement is for one thing...a return to limited government.


:lmao

The OWS protesters are a bunch of malcontent Che Guevara wannabes that have no clue how a nation's economy works and what their role in the current debacle has been.

:toast

True. That was a total pile of crap he posted.

[cheguevara]

:lol truth hurts

[coyotes_geek]

tea party = ows, TBH.............

A grass roots "we're mad" movement starts and immediately gets taken over by red team / blue team operatives who change the "we're mad" message to "we're mad and it's all the other team's fault".

[Yonivore]

tea party = ows, TBH.............

A grass roots "we're mad" movement starts and immediately gets taken over by red team / blue team operatives who change the "we're mad" message to "we're mad and it's all the other team's fault".
I disagree.

The "Occupy Wall Street" crowd, while being increasingly co-opted by Democrats, is increasingly being revealed as a "grass roots movement" fostered by traditional leftists such as George Soros, Moveon.org, various unions and communist organizations. They been caught paying protesters and offering to pay legal fees for those that violate the law.

Yet, they don't have a coherent message beyond, "we're mad because, well, we've been told we're mad."

The Tea Party, on the other hand, has had a coherent, singular message since it authentic grass roots inception. "Government is bloated and the cause of all our ills; let's return to the limited government our founders envisioned."

Their protests and assemblies have been, with a few outliers at various Tea Party functions, respectful and organized. They usually leave the space they occupy better than they found it and they don't hang out for days, stinking up the real estate, pretending to actually be accomplishing something of import.

[cheguevara]

I disagree.

The "Occupy Wall Street" crowd, while being increasingly co-opted by Democrats, is increasingly being revealed as a "grass roots movement" fostered by traditional leftists such as George Soros, Moveon.org, various unions and communist organizations. They been caught paying protesters and offering to pay legal fees for those that violate the law.

Yet, they don't have a coherent message beyond, "we're mad because, well, we've been told we're mad."

The Tea Party, on the other hand, has had a coherent, singular message since it authentic grass roots inception. "Government is bloated and the cause of all our ills; let's return to the limited government our founders envisioned."

Their protests and assemblies have been, with a few outliers at various Tea Party functions, respectful and organized. They usually leave the space they occupy better than they found it and they don't hang out for days, stinking up the real estate, pretending to actually be accomplishing something of import.

wrong. this is exactly how the tea party started. Disorganized and no coherent message. It took months to get more organized, perhaps same will hapen with OWS

[boutons_deux]

what blue team operative has taken over OWS?

tea baggers belong to and are financed by Kock Bros and their henchmen, who also financed tea bagger candidates.

the tea bagger "smal govt" charade is nothing but a Kock Bros/UCA strategy to kill EPA, OSHA, IRS so Kock Bros and othercan avoid the cost of preventing pollution and employee health protections.

[coyotes_geek]

Thanks to yoni and boutons for supplying evidence towards my case.


I disagree.

The "Occupy Wall Street" crowd, while being increasingly co-opted by Democrats, is increasingly being revealed as a "grass roots movement" fostered by traditional leftists such as George Soros, Moveon.org, various unions and communist organizations. They been caught paying protesters and offering to pay legal fees for those that violate the law.

Yet, they don't have a coherent message beyond, "we're mad because, well, we've been told we're mad."

The Tea Party, on the other hand, has had a coherent, singular message since it authentic grass roots inception. "Government is bloated and the cause of all our ills; let's return to the limited government our founders envisioned."

Their protests and assemblies have been, with a few outliers at various Tea Party functions, respectful and organized. They usually leave the space they occupy better than they found it and they don't hang out for days, stinking up the real estate, pretending to actually be accomplishing something of import.

"My team's grass roots movement is real, the other team's is fake."


what blue team operative has taken over OWS?

tea baggers belong to and are financed by Kock Bros and their henchmen, who also financed tea bagger candidates.

the tea bagger "smal govt" charade is nothing but a Kock Bros/UCA strategy to kill EPA, OSHA, IRS so Kock Bros and othercan avoid the cost of preventing pollution and employee health protections.

"My team's grass roots movement is real, the other team's is fake."

[coyotes_geek]

wrong. this is exactly how the tea party started. Disorganized and no coherent message. It took months to get more organized, perhaps same will hapen with OWS

"get more organized" = partisan financial backing

[Spurminator]

LMAO at the grassroots movement facilitated by weeks of Fox News promotion.

[Spurminator]

tea party = ows, TBH.............

A grass roots "we're mad" movement starts and immediately gets taken over by red team / blue team operatives who change the "we're mad" message to "we're mad and it's all the other team's fault".

Yep.

It's funny that even with Congressional and Presidential approval ratings in the toilet, each side seems to think the other side's discontent is insincere. ~20% approval ratings require a bi-partisan effort.

[Yonivore]

wrong. this is exactly how the tea party started. Disorganized and no coherent message. It took months to get more organized, perhaps same will hapen with OWS
Nope. The Tea Party's message was pretty succinct from the beginning.

or-EKjfVCoA

Government is the problem and it needs to be reigned back in to its constitutional limits.

[Winehole23]

yep.

It's funny that even with congressional and presidential approval ratings in the toilet, each side seems to think the other side's discontent is insincere. ~20% approval ratings require a bi-partisan effort.+1

[Winehole23]

Nope. The Tea Party's message was pretty succinct from the beginning.

or-EKjfVCoA

The Tea Party was media inspired from the beginning.

By the way, what ever happened to that movement? I never see them on the news anymore.

[Yonivore]

The Tea Party was media inspired from the beginning.

By the way, what ever happened to that movement? I never see them on the news anymore.
They're busy winning elections. You'll see them again in 2012.

[coyotes_geek]

Yep.

It's funny that even with Congressional and Presidential approval ratings in the toilet, each side seems to think the other side's discontent is insincere. ~20% approval ratings require a bi-partisan effort.

Very true.

[greyforest]

I disagree.

The "Occupy Wall Street" crowd, while being increasingly co-opted by Democrats, is increasingly being revealed as a "grass roots movement" fostered by traditional leftists such as George Soros, Moveon.org, various unions and communist organizations. They been caught paying protesters and offering to pay legal fees for those that violate the law.

Yet, they don't have a coherent message beyond, "we're mad because, well, we've been told we're mad."

The Tea Party, on the other hand, has had a coherent, singular message since it authentic grass roots inception. "Government is bloated and the cause of all our ills; let's return to the limited government our founders envisioned."

Yeah, there's no accusations of this happening with the TEA party whatsoe

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/oct/25/tea-party-koch-brothers

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2009/04/15/37578/pelosi-astroturf/


Their protests and assemblies have been, with a few outliers at various Tea Party functions, respectful and organized. They usually leave the space they occupy better than they found it and they don't hang out for days, stinking up the real estate, pretending to actually be accomplishing something of import.

Why would they sit around and complain?
1. They have jobs
2. They don't have to wait two fucking weeks before national news shows up

The reason the GOP jumped all over the TEA party is because it can potentially lead to the privatization of currently nationalized industries.



It's quite telling that the protesters are on Wall Street (the people actually fucking up the country and world economy) and not in DC (dog and pony show). It's further telling that both the liberal and conservative media tried their best to keep this from getting national attention. Why did I and 500,000 others have to watch the pepper spray video on Youtube? Why was that not national news?

Exactly.

[Yonivore]

The reason the GOP jumped all over the TEA party is because it can potentially lead to the privatization of currently nationalized industries.
I think that's a noble goal.

The poor Koch brothers have been the liberal boogey man in the Tea Party movement. Did you know Think Progress is a George Soros creation?


Why did I and 500,000 others have to watch the pepper spray video on Youtube? Why was that not national news?
Because criminals getting pepper sprayed isn't newsworthy?

[greyforest]

Also I'm curious to hear what any TEA (Taxed Enough Already) party thinks about companies such as General Electric paying 0% taxes and receiving millions in corporate welfare. Should we lower taxes on them some more?

[Winehole23]

Because criminals getting pepper sprayed isn't newsworthy?How were those ladies criminals? For talking to the police?

[greyforest]

I think that's a noble goal.

The poor Koch brothers have been the liberal boogey man in the Tea Party movement. Did you know Think Progress is a George Soros creation?

All this shit becomes politicized the moment it gains national attention.

Do you think privatizing prisons is/was a noble goal?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/us/13judge.html?pagewanted=all

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mark-ciavarella-pa-juvenile-court-judge-convicted-alleged/story?id=12965182

I guess you didn't hear about either of those cases, though, did you? Why not?




Because criminals getting pepper sprayed isn't newsworthy?

Innocent people getting pepper sprayed is. Guess you didn't know what really happened, did you? Look at how ignorant you are.

nMoKsZp5iao

[DarrinS]

OP lost cred in first sentence. Fail

[cheguevara]

IMO the writer meant the tea party ideology has been around for a long time. This is true. Now they have become mainstream thanks to Fox news and the billionaires who back it up.

still they are nothing new.

[ChumpDumper]

lol criminals

[Yonivore]

All this shit becomes politicized the moment it gains national attention.
There's evidence the OWS crowd began with political backing -- not so for the Tea Party movement.


Do you think privatizing prisons is/was a noble goal?
Yes.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/us/13judge.html?pagewanted=all

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mark-ciavarella-pa-juvenile-court-judge-convicted-alleged/story?id=12965182

I guess you didn't hear about either of those cases, though, did you? Why not?
Because abuse, corruption, and injustice never happens in government prisons? The difference being, it's easier to hold a private company accountable than it is the government.


Innocent people getting pepper sprayed is. Guess you didn't know what really happened, did you? Look at how ignorant you are.

nMoKsZp5iao

Amendment 1

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The crowd had breached the peace and disregarded lawful orders to disperse or crossed police lines.

They were criminals.

[ElNono]

Torture them!

[greyforest]

Because abuse, corruption, and injustice never happens in government prisons? The difference being, it's easier to hold a private company accountable than it is the government.

There is a key difference you do not understand.
With privatized prisons there is a free-market incentive to put more people in prison for profit. Abuse, corruption, and injustice happens with government prisons, but there is never an incentive to put innocent people in prison without profit entering the picture. Do you understand the difference?

Let me paint you a picture.

http://powerstates.com/wp-content/uploads/incarceration.jpg
When did it become profitable to put people in prison, I wonder?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_76jM16BEIlA/Sl4zJHFAsCI/AAAAAAAAA3A/PuFDCZSGivI/s1600/prisoners.jpeg
USA. The Land of the Free has more prisoners per capita than any other nation on Earth. Did you know that? No? Why not?

Do you STILL think privatizing prisons is noble?



The crowd had breached the peace and disregarded lawful orders to disperse or crossed police lines.

They were criminals.
If you watched that video and honestly believe those females needed to be pepper sprayed, I cannot continue to argue with you.

[ChumpDumper]

Those chicks should be in prison too!

[Yonivore]

Do you STILL think privatizing prisons is noble?
Yes. As in the two cases you noted, It would take government corruption in order to feed the monetary incentive of the private industry to incarcerate innocent people.

Hmmm...government is still the problem.


If you watched that video and honestly believe those females needed to be pepper sprayed, I cannot continue to argue with you.
Okay, I'll watch it again but, TBH, the videographer wasn't at the site of the conflict the entire time the police and those that were sprayed. I doubt I'll be persuaded otherwise by anything I see in that clip.

Okay, I've watched it again. At what point in the video clip were the wailing women sprayed -- I missed that. The video quality isn't good since there was a lot of activity.

[cheguevara]

The crowd had breached the peace and disregarded lawful orders to disperse or crossed police lines.

They were criminals.

:lol Ghadafi, Mubarak and Al-Assad salute you

[greyforest]

Yes. As in the two cases you noted, It would take government corruption in order to feed the monetary incentive of the private industry to incarcerate innocent people.

Hmmm...government is still the problem.

No. You didn't understand what I said.

Without a prison owner making profit, there is no incentive to bribe a judge to put more people in prison. Period.




Okay, I'll watch it again but, TBH, the videographer wasn't at the site of the conflict the entire time the police and those that were sprayed. I doubt I'll be persuaded otherwise by anything I see in that clip.

Okay, I've watched it again. At what point in the video clip were the wailing women sprayed -- I missed that. The video quality isn't good since there was a lot of activity.

You have something called confirmation bias.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

You have already made up your mind that these females have done something wrong/deserved what happened to them. When confronted with conflicting facts, you start denying them for literally no reason. Your mind cannot accept the possibility that you are wrong.

[Yonivore]

No. You didn't understand what I said.

Without a prison owner making profit, there is no incentive to bribe a judge to put more people in prison. Period.
Control government and the bribes won't be effective.


You have something called confirmation bias.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

You have already made up your mind that these females have done something wrong/deserved what happened to them. When confronted with conflicting facts, you start denying them for literally no reason. Your mind cannot accept the possibility that you are wrong.
So, you don't know what they were doing when they were sprayed. Nor can you point to the place, in the video, when the spraying occurred?

We both have confirmation bias. You've made up your mind they were innocent but, there's not enough information in the video to prove either side.

My bias comes from a history of being involved in law enforcement, having been at protests (on the police side of the line), and knowing what goes into the decision to employ pepper spray.

What makes you think they're innocent?

[Winehole23]

Back on topic, momentarily, the better comparison is to the j14 tent protests.

[Yonivore]

:lol Ghadafi, Mubarak and Al-Assad salute you
These people aren't overthrowing a dictator...and, they weren't shot and killed, either.

[ElNono]

No. You didn't understand what I said.

Without a prison owner making profit, there is no incentive to bribe a judge to put more people in prison. Period.

You have something called confirmation bias.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

You have already made up your mind that these females have done something wrong/deserved what happened to them. When confronted with conflicting facts, you start denying them for literally no reason. Your mind cannot accept the possibility that you are wrong.

yoni must be WC's troll. :lol

[greyforest]

Control government and the bribes won't be effective.

You're ignoring the central point over and over and over. The bribes ONLY EXIST because a previously socialized, non-profit industry became a for-profit industry. Privatization.

You believe in the free market, I'm sure. The free market therefore created a market to be fulfilled - the prison industry! The prison industry is a fucking TERRIBLE industry to be private, though, as 99.99% of people quite obviously do not want the service that prisons provide. BUT THE FREE MARKET REIGNS SUPREME!! The prison industry, just as any other industry, needs to create demand for its service.

What does it do?

-Lobby for the war on drugs to congress
-Bribe judges to put innocent people in prison

Liberty is supposed to be about freedom, and preventing injustice. Privatizing the prisons of our country has led to the highest incarceration rate of all the countries on the entire planet.





So, you don't know what they were doing when they were sprayed. Nor can you point to the place, in the video, when the spraying occurred?

We both have confirmation bias. You've made up your mind they were innocent but, there's not enough information in the video to prove either side.

My bias comes from a history of being involved in law enforcement, having been at protests (on the police side of the line), and knowing what goes into the decision to employ pepper spray.

What makes you think they're innocent?

This video.

TZ05rWx1pig

We are done arguing. Have a great day.

[Yonivore]

You're ignoring the central point over and over and over. The bribes ONLY EXIST because a previously socialized, non-profit industry became a for-profit industry. Privatization.
That would suggest everything be nationalized. Bribes wouldn't exist if their weren't government officials willing to accept them.

It works both ways. But, with government, there is a tendency to keep bureaucracies once they are created. If the demand for prisons fell, they'd figure out a way to keep them open. In private industry, if the demand falls, they go out of business.


You believe in the free market, I'm sure. The free market therefore created a market to be fulfilled - the prison industry! The prison industry is a fucking TERRIBLE industry to be private, though, as 99.99% of people quite obviously do not want the service that prisons provide.
I disagree. Society, as a whole, wants a penal system. Law-abiding citizens are your consumer, not the people who go to prison.

And, private industry is held more accountable than government. poor conditions, prisoner abuse, and corruption would be handled more swiftly. Have you ever heard of a government prosecutor ignoring evidence of the innocence of a convicted person and they being allowed to rot in jail for decades before being released?

Happens all the fucking time. Here in Texas, we had two cases, just this years, of one many being released after serving years on death row and another after serving 25 years of a life term for not killing his wife.

Private prisons fuck up...people get prosecuted.

Government prisons fuck up...governments pay off the victims and leave the perpetrators in place.


BUT THE FREE MARKET REIGNS SUPREME!! The prison industry, just as any other industry, needs to create demand for its service.
It could only create such a demand by breaking the law. It would fall to government to make sure those that did, got sent to the very prisons they own...well, I would probably send them to a competitor's prison.


What does it do?

-Lobby for the war on drugs to congress
Government's already all for the War on Drugs. But, if it made you feel better, I would prohibit private prisons from lobbying on any matter that might be construed as an attempt to increase their market share.


-Bribe judges to put innocent people in prison
Caught and punished. What's happened to the District Attorney that put Anthony Graves (http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Texas-sets-man-free-from-death-row-1619337.php) in prison?


Liberty is supposed to be about freedom, and preventing injustice. Privatizing the prisons of our country has led to the highest incarceration rate of all the countries on the entire planet.
Liberty is as much about freedom of action as it is freedom from the harmful acts of others. That's why we have prisons (private or public).

I would argue crime and the government's propensity to criminalize everything is what has led to our incarceration rate. Private prisons only came along when government realized it couldn't afford to imprison all the people they decided to make criminals.


This video.

TZ05rWx1pig

We are done arguing. Have a great day.
Looks to me like the police barrier had been pushed into the street by the crowd and that they weren't retreating. That's a breach of the peace.

You have a good day, as well.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/309589_2220993679114_1075845911_2447537_550521412_ n.jpg

[SnakeBoy]

wrong. this is exactly how the tea party started. Disorganized and no coherent message. It took months to get more organized, perhaps same will hapen with OWS

Taxed Enough Already. They started with a coherent message whether you agree with it or not.

[greyforest]

TZ05rWx1pig




So, you don't know what they were doing when they were sprayed. Nor can you point to the place, in the video, when the spraying occurred?

We both have confirmation bias. You've made up your mind they were innocent but, there's not enough information in the video to prove either side.

My bias comes from a history of being involved in law enforcement, having been at protests (on the police side of the line), and knowing what goes into the decision to employ pepper spray.

What makes you think they're innocent?




Looks to me like the police barrier had been pushed into the street by the crowd and that they weren't retreating. That's a breach of the peace.

This is beautiful. Honestly, it's like a nugget of US history. I hope people put that youtube in their sig along with Yonivore's brilliant quotes.

[Trainwreck2100]

Taxed Enough Already. They started with a coherent message whether you agree with it or not.

pretty sure thats not why they are called the Tea Party

[Yonivore]

This is beautiful. Honestly, it's like a nugget of US history. I hope people put that youtube in their sig along with Yonivore's brilliant quotes.
Waste of space and bandwidth but, whatever give you that tingly feeling up your leg.

If the police acted inappropriately, they're usually prosecuted. It's the trend these day...video phones have gotten a lot of police in trouble. I just don't think you video shows enough to determine 1) that those pepper sprayed were innocent or 2) the police acted inappropriately.

[Yonivore]

pretty sure thats not why they are called the Tea Party
They're called the Tea Party because Rick Santelli's rant gave someone the idea to call the movement a Tea Party Revolution. It stuck.

[greyforest]

If the police acted inappropriately, they're usually prosecuted. It's the trend these day...video phones have gotten a lot of police in trouble. I just don't think you video shows enough to determine 1) that those pepper sprayed were innocent or 2) the police acted inappropriately.

I posted two different videos...just want to confirm you have watched the second video with freeze-frames and arrows.

[Yonivore]

I posted two different videos...just want to confirm you have watched the second video with freeze-frames and arrows.
I did and the barrier was clearly being pushed into the street.

[Agloco]

Waste of space and bandwidth but, whatever give you that tingly feeling up your leg.

If the police acted inappropriately, they're usually prosecuted. It's the trend these day...video phones have gotten a lot of police in trouble. I just don't think you video shows enough to determine 1) that those pepper sprayed were innocent or 2) the police acted inappropriately.

Now you're simply in full jackass mode.

lol breach of the peace. gtfo.

[Agloco]

I did and the barrier was clearly being pushed into the street.

The barrier was set up behind the pole already......... it wasn't touched. :lol

[Winehole23]

Seeing things that aren't there? Classic Yonivore.

[Yonivore]

The barrier was set up behind the pole already......... it wasn't touched. :lol
The barrier was moving the whole time. There just isn't enough information in the video to make a claim either way.

I hope they investigate and, if it is determine the officer acted inappropriately, he should be disciplined.

[ElNono]

lol not enough information
lol cop already had a history of power trips

And :lol at "hopefully they investigate" after saying it was clear the cop acted appropriately. What's there to investigate, then?

[CuckingFunt]

The Tea Party movement is for one thing...a return to limited government.

A return to limited government is hardly one thing.

[Agloco]

The barrier was moving the whole time. There just isn't enough information in the video to make a claim either way.

lol disproportionate reaction


I hope they investigate and, if it is determine the officer acted inappropriately, he should be disciplined.

You're shoveling a steaming pile here Yoni. :lol

[CuckingFunt]

Nope. The Tea Party's message was pretty succinct from the beginning.

or-EKjfVCoA

Government is the problem and it needs to be reigned back in to its constitutional limits.

And, similarly, "government is the problem" is neither succinct nor particularly focused.

[CosmicCowboy]

I think we can all agree that our politicians and Wall street money are joined at the hip and there is enough anger to go around for both. The movements are more similar than different.

[ElNono]

I think we can all agree that our politicians and Wall street money are joined at the hip and there is enough anger to go around for both. The movements are more similar than different.

Agreed. They simply focus on different parts of the same problem. The corruptor and the corrupted.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I disagree.

The "Occupy Wall Street" crowd, while being increasingly co-opted by Democrats, is increasingly being revealed as a "grass roots movement" fostered by traditional leftists such as George Soros, Moveon.org, various unions and communist organizations. They been caught paying protesters and offering to pay legal fees for those that violate the law.

Yet, they don't have a coherent message beyond, "we're mad because, well, we've been told we're mad."

The Tea Party, on the other hand, has had a coherent, singular message since it authentic grass roots inception. "Government is bloated and the cause of all our ills; let's return to the limited government our founders envisioned."

Their protests and assemblies have been, with a few outliers at various Tea Party functions, respectful and organized. They usually leave the space they occupy better than they found it and they don't hang out for days, stinking up the real estate, pretending to actually be accomplishing something of import.

Its like I am reading one of Anne Coulter's books....

[Yonivore]

Its like I am reading one of Anne Coulter's books....
I'm not offended.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not offended.

But you left out the part of the Jacobin mob. I am disappointed.

[Yonivore]

But you left out the part of the Jacobin mob. I am disappointed.
Sorry to disappoint.

[Wild Cobra]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/oct/07/occupy-wall-street-tea-party

The Tea Party, under one name or another, has actually been part of American politics for a long time. It is a movement that yearns for the restoration of an imaginary past, when the world was simple, men were men, women were women, leaders were white males, when the church steeple reigned over little towns and, aside from vaudeville, minorities had no public presence. Consistently, the Tea Party sympathisers in American politics today are almost all white, and they are better-off and older than the general population. That is why they chant "Take it back! Take it back! Take it back!" at their rallies. And their politics of hazy nostalgia is also why they are eagerly supported by rightwing business leaders.

By contrast, the Occupy Wall Street people are mainly young, racially diverse, happily countercultural and, above all, eagerly inclusive. And contrary to early media reports, they are thoughtful and well-informed. Where Tea Partiers chanted confused slogans like "Get government's hands off my Medicare!", the Occupy Wall Street protesters issue well thought-out proclamations about a future defined by cooperation and a democracy freed from the clutches of economic oligarchy.
LOL...

How stupid can an article get?

[Wild Cobra]

Also I'm curious to hear what any TEA (Taxed Enough Already) party thinks about companies such as General Electric paying 0% taxes and receiving millions in corporate welfare. Should we lower taxes on them some more?
Asked and answered.

See past threads.

[Th'Pusher]

I'm not offended.

LOL at pedaling hyper-conservitive piffle in an effort to garner attention from anonymous strangers on the internet. At least Coulter gets paid. It's not as if she actually believes half the shit she spews.

[Wild Cobra]

Innocent people getting pepper sprayed is. Guess you didn't know what really happened, did you? Look at how ignorant you are.

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Innocent?

They are guilty of holding up traffic. They are not following rules. They are stopping the free movement of others.

Fuck them. Pepper spray is not lethal and solves the problem.

[Wild Cobra]

Torture them!
If Pepper Spry is torture, then I'm with ya.

[Wild Cobra]

I posted two different videos...just want to confirm you have watched the second video with freeze-frames and arrows.
Well, I am catching up, just started this thread about 10 minuts ago, maybe.

I didn't watch the second. i believe pepper sprat was used. they crossed the zone outside of the legal protest bounds.

What if you were a salesman, having to make a meeting and lost a sales commission or something because the crowd made you late? How would you feel? What if you were late for work, and in this economy, all your boss needed to fire you?

The constitution and bill of rights does not allow for one person to take away the rights of others free movement.

[Wild Cobra]

Taxed Enough Already. They started with a coherent message whether you agree with it or not.pretty sure thats not why they are called the Tea Party
Maybe not the current incantation, but I'll bet if you asked Lars Larson about his organized Tea Party Protest in front of the Salem, Oregon Capital building years before the national Tea Party movement, he would say he used those words. I'm pretty sure he did.

[ElNono]

If Pepper Spry is torture, then I'm with ya.

Why stop at pepper spray when you can waterboard them!

[Nbadan]

Teabaggers vs Occupy Wall Street


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[SnakeBoy]

pretty sure thats not why they are called the Tea Party

I don't know the origin of their name but they have been using the "Tax Enough Already" slogan since the beginning. I remember they were carrying these signs before the movement really took off because everytime I saw the slogan I thought "but you're paying the lowest tax rates in history".


It really is pointless to compare messages though. All that matters with any movement is if they have the ability to influence change. Very early on the TEA party took the approach of getting involved in the GOP primaries to get their kind of candidates elected. I don't see that kind of organization happening with the OWS fools. They'll hang out for awhile, get high, piss and shit all over the place, and then that will be the end of it.

[Wild Cobra]

Teabaggers vs Occupy Wall Street


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LOL. Finally watched this. This Chris Hedges just doesn't understand, and is making things up about the Tea Party thinking.

Is that you Dan?

[Agloco]

I think we can all agree that our politicians and Wall street money are joined at the hip and there is enough anger to go around for both. The movements are more similar than different.

:tu

[Agloco]

If Pepper Spry is torture, then I'm with ya.

Ever been pepper sprayed?

[Yonivore]

Ever been pepper sprayed?
Yep. It's not torture. It's painful but, it's not torture.

[boutons_deux]

If pepper spray/mace were applied repeatedly to extract information, it's torture.

[Wild Cobra]

Ever been pepper sprayed?
Does CS Gas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CS_gas) count? Had my share of that in military training, to know what it does without a mask.

[Agloco]

Yep. It's not torture. It's painful but, it's not torture.

:lol

Ok Yoni.

[Agloco]

Does CS Gas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CS_gas) count? Had my share of that in military training, to know what it does without a mask.

Close enough. So do you think repeated applications of tear gas would influence your behavior or opinion in any way?

[Yonivore]

Close enough. So do you think repeated applications of tear gas would influence your behavior or opinion in any way?
Weren't we talking in the context of a protester getting pepper sprayed?

[xrayzebra]

OWS=I want my Mommy crowd. Someone took my candy. Whaaa-----whaaa

[Yonivore]

OWS=I want my Mommy crowd. Someone took my candy. Whaaa-----whaaa
More like, someone took candy that didn't belong to me but I was hoping they would give me.

[xrayzebra]

More like, someone took candy that didn't belong to me but I was hoping they would give me.

No they think all candy belongs to everyone, including them. Like all
money belongs to government so they can give it to them and other
deadbeats.

[Wild Cobra]

Close enough. So do you think repeated applications of tear gas would influence your behavior or opinion in any way?
Well, if I say others getting pepper sprayed for crossing a line, forcibly against police directions, I know I'm smart enough not to cross that line.