Will MJ let his Championship Bulls get swept by the 2011 Mavs?

[ezau]

This isn't a knock to the current defending champions because it's obvious that they deserved and earned their title this year.

The question is, if MJ isn't really as good as some Lakers fan here say, would any of those Chicago Bulls championship teams be swept by the 2011 Mavs?

[TE]

No.

[LkrFan]

MJ has been swept. He has no room. :nope

[Giuseppe]

...as has the Spurs via The Skunker.

[ezau]

Just answer the question, LkrFan. Will MJ let the 2011 Mavs sweep his Chicago Bulls champion teams?

[ezau]

...as has the Spurs via The Skunker.

I smell skunk

[Giuseppe]

^MJ quit. Ipso facto:::anything is possible.

[Giuseppe]

I smell skunk

After The Skunker & 8 you should be smelling skunk.

[m>s]

4 rings ain't enough for spurs fans

[Giuseppe]

4 rings ain't enough for spurs fans

Or, enough for the shit bag or Dirk to top Kobe.

[ezau]

After The Skunker & 8 you should be smelling skunk.

Swept by the Mavs:lol:lol

[Giuseppe]

swept by the mavs:lol:lol

8

[ezau]

Or, enough for the shit bag or Dirk to top Kobe.

Dirk 4

Kobe 0

[ezau]

8

I smell skunk

[Giuseppe]

I smell skunk

You're entitled after The Skunker. It's okay.

[LkrFan]

Just answer the question, LkrFan. Will MJ let the 2011 Mavs sweep his Chicago Bulls champion teams?

He last rang in 1998. By my count, MJ is at least 50+ years old (so are his teammates). So hell yeah he would have let the 2011 Mavs sweep his Chicago Bulls champion teams. :lol

:downspin:

[ezau]

He last rang in 1998. By my count, MJ is at least 50+ years old (so are his teammates). So hell yeah he would have let the 2011 Mavs sweep his Chicago Bulls champion teams. :lol

:downspin:

:lol:lolSwept by the Mavs:lol:lol

[Koolaid_Man]

This isn't a knock to the current defending champions because it's obvious that they deserved and earned their title this year.

The question is, if MJ isn't really as good as some Lakers fan here say, would any of those Chicago Bulls championship teams be swept by the 2011 Mavs?


ohh let's see...coming off of 3 straight finals...maybe not since he 3 peated twice...but coming off 3 straight finals after leading his team to an Olympic Gold Medal ( not bronze) but GOLD all in "successive" years...meaning 4 straight years of excessive play while your #2 option Gasol has plays in the Summertime with his National team - something Pippen never did...YES he would have gotten swept as well...:lol no doubt about it...see every time you post something Kool has a legitimate counter for it...:toast

[Sportcamper]

MJ’s greatness is soo overrated…MJ had a cast of dominating players like Rusty LaRue, Keith Booth, Luc Longley, Dickey Simpkins…Who has Kobe ever played with that can match that stacked roster...:toast

[baseline bum]

Are you talking prime Jordan or current 48 year-old Jordan? Either way, the answer is no.

[stretch]

Kobe hates losing. which is great. in order to be a great player, you have to hate losing.

but Jordan would damn near kill to avoid losing.


I don't think any player in NBA history has had the type of disdain for losing that MJ had, which is the main thing that separates him from Kobe IMO. I think the thought of losing bothered him more than it bothers Kobe. MJ never seemed to feel content unless he was winning, but Kobe this year seemed to get a little content. MJ I think is a much more prideful person than Kobe is, which is great in the sports world if utilized correctly.

However, I think the way they lost has motivated Kobe, and he will have a much better year than people think. Not sure if they will win a championship, but I expect him to have a much better showing all season and in the playoffs than he did last year.

[Giuseppe]

Jordan would damn near kill to avoid losing.

Though he didn't avoid losing for 7 years and refrained from killing.

[stretch]

Though he didn't avoid losing for 7 years and refrained from killing.

u mad bro?

[Giuseppe]

u mad bro?

If I couldn't win it you winnin' it wasn't the end of the world.

I ain't mad.

[stretch]

If I couldn't win it you winnin' it wasn't the end of the world.

I ain't mad.

u mad

[Killakobe81]

thread makes no sense. A champion can not be "swept". A defending champion can, but how does a champion team get swept? Wouldnt they be the ones doing any "sweeping"

Ezau forgot how this works. Excuse him it's been a while since the spurs rang ...

[mavs>spurs]

If I couldn't win it you winnin' it wasn't the end of the world.

I ain't mad.

Nuh uh, 'seppe. Not after all that bull about wanting any of the O'fers to ring and join your exclusive club. No way.

[Axe Murderer]

Giuseppe lied.....

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179497


Miami. It's the lesser of all remaining evils:::Wade already won it. James is a human being.

I don't want the Mavs getting straightened out here.

And I don't want the Celtics there at the end going for 18 when we can't be there going for 17.

[Giuseppe]

Please.

[Axe Murderer]

Let us proceed......

[hater]

this would have never happened. everyone knows Jordan would not have been teabagged by a 5foot 5 JJ Barea for 4 straight games.

[dunkman]

No.

[Giuseppe]

this would have never happened. everyone knows Jordan would not have been teabagged by a 5foot 5 JJ Barea for 4 straight games.

As long as Pippen was holding MJ's hand, most likely not.

[Giuseppe]

Let us proceed......

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

[hater]

MJ + Pippen >>> Kobe + Kardasian + Gasoft + Fisher + Tits

agree :tu

[Giuseppe]

^lmcontrollinao!

I still got it.

[Axe Murderer]

If only Pippen was there in '80 to hold Sipe's hand thus preventing Red Right 88

"If it isn't open you throw that damn thing into Lake Erie"

[Giuseppe]

^Come ta Pappy.

It'll never end.

[Killakobe81]

2011 Lakers were not as good as any MJ team.

Neither was 2009 or 2010 ...considering the influx of talent winning back to back with an aging fisher in a PG driven league and relying on Pau as the big in the more physical playoffs. Those 2 rings by Kobe and PJ to of the most impressive. plus the bench was suspect too outside of Odom.

That being said 3 peat Lakers, 80's Lakers, Celts, Pistons destroy this team. Kobe/PJ deserves lots of credit for 3 finals and 2 rings. Especially with the Celts, Lebron, Dirk, duncan and Dwight looming

[stretch]

Neither was 2009 or 2010 ...considering the influx of talent winning back to back with an aging fisher in a PG driven league and relying on Pau as the big in the more physical playoffs. Those 2 rings by Kobe and PJ to of the most impressive. plus the bench was suspect too outside of Odom.

That being said 3 peat Lakers, 80's Lakers, Celts, Pistons destroy this team. Kobe/PJ deserves lots of credit for 3 finals and 2 rings. Especially with the Celts, Lebron, Dirk, duncan and Dwight looming

I dunno, I think those squads were pretty solid, especially the 2009 squad. They had very few weaknesses. I think the 2009 squad could definitely give some of the better teams of all time a good run.

[Killakobe81]

I dunno, I think those squads were pretty solid, especially the 2009 squad. They had very few weaknesses. I think the 2009 squad could definitely give some of the better teams of all time a good run.

Definitely betterthan 2010 and if Bynum was healthy and Kobe 100% I would agree with you ...but neither were the case especially bynum.

[DeadlyDynasty]

All of MJ's 6 title teams would beat the 09 or 10 Lakers in 6 games or less imo. They were good Laker teams, but not transcendently great.

Now the 2001 Lakers...they'd beat the fuck outta any team other than '96 Bulls.

[DMC]

Neither was 2009 or 2010 ...considering the influx of talent winning back to back with an aging fisher in a PG driven league and relying on Pau as the big in the more physical playoffs. Those 2 rings by Kobe and PJ to of the most impressive. plus the bench was suspect too outside of Odom.

That being said 3 peat Lakers, 80's Lakers, Celts, Pistons destroy this team. Kobe/PJ deserves lots of credit for 3 finals and 2 rings. Especially with the Celts, Lebron, Dirk, duncan and Dwight looming
20 years from now 18 year olds will talk about what a strong bench the Lakers had in those Pau years.

[Ashy Larry]

question is which Bulls teams? 80s with legendary bald man Granville Waiters or 90s dynasty? 80s yes. 90s no.

[Ashy Larry]

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Classic.......



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[Giuseppe]

I agree. Grant or Rodman would push Pau out the paint, and series would be over.

Only after Pau would implore & beseech them not to.

[LkrFan]

All of MJ's 6 title teams would beat the 09 or 10 Lakers in 6 games or less imo. They were good Laker teams, but not transcendently great.

Now the 2001 Lakers...they'd beat the fuck outta any team other than '96 Bulls.

Disagree about the bolded. 2001 were Two-deep. After Shaq/Kobe, what else did they have? That '96 Bulls team lost 10 games by some insane total of about 20 points. That Bulls team was off the hook.

However, the '87 Lakers would have taken them out. ;)

[DeadlyDynasty]

Disagree about the bolded. 2001 were Two-deep. After Shaq/Kobe, what else did they have? That '96 Bulls team lost 10 games by some insane total of about 20 points. That Bulls team was off the hook.

However, the '87 Lakers would have taken them out. ;)

Those "two" were unguardable in 2001, especially in the playoffs...Kobe was entering his physical prime and Shaq was at his peak. They had a perfect compliment of players around them, and a solid bench. Damn good defensive team. Fisher was a stud that year as well. Once he came back from his ankle injury the Lakers went 23-1 to finish the year--ending w/ the most dominant playoff run ever.

[LkrFan]

I would take the 2000 Lakers over the Bulls, simply because we had enough outside shooting to match the Bulls, and the Bulls would have had no answer for Shaq.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing, because like DD mentioned, Kobe and Shaq were BEASTS. But that Bulls team had 1st Team All NBA defenders at 3 positions in Rodman, Pip and MJ. Rodman, for all of the flack that Spurs' fans give him, was the key piece. The year prior to his arrival, Shaq took a wet shit on the Bulls. Then the Bulls went out and signed someone that could deal with him: Rodman. 72 wins later...

I feel you on the 2000 Lakers but the talent dropoff from Kobe/Shaq was steep. It amazes me to this day that they got by "Too Deep" Blazers with "Two Deep" Kobe/Shaq. That '96 team had some solid vets to go with their big 3 in Randy Brown (doberman defender), Kukoc, "24 fouls on Shaq" (Edwards, Wennington, Luc Longley, Salley) - after Rodman, as well as one of the best sharp shooters in NBA history: Kerr

Key matchups:

Randy Brown: would have been all in Fish' grill. Edge Bulls
MJ - Kobe - this would have been a fantastic matchup. Wash
Pip - 230 lb fat Rick Fox - Pip would have destroyed him. Edge Bulls
Rodman - he would check Shaq. Edge Lakers

I'm a Laker fan so I would say the 2001 Lakers would win, but it would probably go 7, tbh.

[mavs>spurs]

kobe and jordan a wash :lmao

you'd be trying to "wash" the memory out of you mind whenever jordan is bullying kobe on the block, and using his smarts to get whatever shot he wants while at the other end he's got kobe in panic mode chucking up fadeaway 22 footers barely drawing iron :lmao

[Stalin]

kobe and jordan a wash :lmao

you'd be trying to "wash" the memory out of you mind whenever jordan is bullying kobe on the block, and using his smarts to get whatever shot he wants while at the other end he's got kobe in panic mode chucking up fadeaway 22 footers barely drawing iron :lmao

the goods right here

:lol kobe and jordan a wash, only lakerfan could come up with something this dumb

[LkrFan]

kobe and jordan a wash :lmao

you'd be trying to "wash" the memory out of you mind whenever jordan is bullying kobe on the block, and using his smarts to get whatever shot he wants while at the other end he's got kobe in panic mode chucking up fadeaway 22 footers barely drawing iron :lmao

:lol you trolling. :lol

[mavs>spurs]

MJ would eat kobe alive..and that is not trolling..he's stronger, the better athlete, better post game, and the smarter player. Also, as competitive as Kobe is, MJ was the king of that..he would have taken his game to a whole different level with people making these retarded comparisons..i think it's you who's trolling brah

[LkrFan]

MJ would eat kobe alive..and that is not trolling..he's stronger, the better athlete, better post game, and the smarter player. Also, as competitive as Kobe is, MJ was the king of that..he would have taken his game to a whole different level with people making these retarded comparisons..i think it's you who's trolling brah

There is NOTHING MJ could do that Kobe cannot. 40pts? Check 50pts? Check. 60pts? Check How bout 80+? (Sorry, I got ahead of myself there :lol).

Kobe in his prime was every bit as good as MJ. MJ highest average was like 37ppg. Kobe was 35ppg, but against much better competition, strong side zones, and all sorts of defensive gimmicks teams come up with to try and deal with him.

Better handles - Kobe
Better jumper - Kobe
Better all around game - Kobe
More skilled - Kobe

Everything else is a wash. Don't take my word though. PJ even says Kobe is on par with MJ. But I say Kobe is better.

The true difference between the 2 of them? Shitty teammates. MJ would have been a lottery bound player or first round fodder at best playing with the likes of Smush, Kwame, Cook, inconsistent Lamar Odom, Luke Walton, Terrible Brown, 58 year old Brian Grant, etc. Hell, Kobe should get a medal for willing them bastards to the playoffs in the first place. MJ never played with shit on a stick teammates like that.

MJ's legend grows by the day. *SIGH*

:wakeup

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

There is NOTHING MJ could do that Kobe cannot. 40pts? Check 50pts? Check. 60pts? Check How bout 80+? (Sorry, I got ahead of myself there :lol).

Kobe in his prime was every bit as good as MJ. MJ highest average was like 37ppg. Kobe was 35ppg, but against much better competition, strong side zones, and all sorts of defensive gimmicks teams come up with to try and deal with him.

Better handles - Kobe
Better jumper - Kobe
Better all around game - Kobe
More skilled - Kobe

Everything else is a wash. Don't take my word though. PJ even says Kobe is on par with MJ. But I say Kobe is better.

The true difference between the 2 of them? Shitty teammates. MJ would have been a lottery bound player or first round fodder at best playing with the likes of Smush, Kwame, Cook, inconsistent Lamar Odom, Luke Walton, Terrible Brown, 58 year old Brian Grant, etc. Hell, Kobe should get a medal for willing them bastards to the playoffs in the first place. MJ never played with shit on a stick teammates like that.

MJ's legend grows by the day. *SIGH*

:wakeup
:lol nothing says a quality post like a PPG argument right off the back.

yea sure kobe can score 80 points on a horrible raptors team while MJ can set a Playloff record for points in a game against larry bird and the celtics.

does kobe really even have a legendary playoffs shot? hell people will remember fisher in the playoffs more than kobe.

[mavs>spurs]

:lol nothing says a quality post like a PPG argument right off the back.

yea sure kobe can score 80 points on a horrible raptors team while MJ can set a Playloff record for points in a game against larry bird and the celtics.

does kobe really even have a legendary playoffs shot? hell people will remember fisher in the playoffs more than kobe.

:lmao kobe fan is out of his fucking mind

[Koolaid_Man]

There is NOTHING MJ could do that Kobe cannot. 40pts? Check 50pts? Check. 60pts? Check How bout 80+? (Sorry, I got ahead of myself there :lol).

Kobe in his prime was every bit as good as MJ. MJ highest average was like 37ppg. Kobe was 35ppg, but against much better competition, strong side zones, and all sorts of defensive gimmicks teams come up with to try and deal with him.

Better handles - Kobe
Better jumper - Kobe
Better all around game - Kobe
More skilled - Kobe

Everything else is a wash. Don't take my word though. PJ even says Kobe is on par with MJ. But I say Kobe is better.

The true difference between the 2 of them? Shitty teammates. MJ would have been a lottery bound player or first round fodder at best playing with the likes of Smush, Kwame, Cook, inconsistent Lamar Odom, Luke Walton, Terrible Brown, 58 year old Brian Grant, etc. Hell, Kobe should get a medal for willing them bastards to the playoffs in the first place. MJ never played with shit on a stick teammates like that.

MJ's legend grows by the day. *SIGH*

:wakeup

excellent post fellow Laker Nation member...:lol

MJ is the last bastion of hope for anti-Laker / Kobe fans everywhere...once he falls they'll have no cover from the Laker / Kobe assault we're bound to unleash on their ass...:lol

First they relied on Shaq...but Kobe made quick work of that one by ringing twice without him...

In parallel with Shaq they also relied on Duncan by saying he was #1 option while Kobe was a #2...:lol...what they fail to realize is that a #1 option in San Antonio is dam near a #3 option in LA...the game, stakes, expectations are much higher in LA...and for a FACT indeed (I've previously posted the numbers)..Kobe's stats as the "number 2 guy" is better than Duncan's as the #1 guy in SA...:lol

Finally they have MJ...right now Kobe is threatening the legacy...Kobe will need to go up 7>6 in my book to surpass him...and he is aware of this...and my Nastrodmous ticker says he will...that 8th one though will be his toughest...I have 7 titles forecasted with an 8th as a potential doozy...

Timmy isn't even in the debate anymore...:lol

[Stalin]

http://kobebryantisoverrated.webs.com/kobestillasidekick.htm

have you seen this website?

[stretch]

The 2009 squad was the weakest Laker title team ever. No Bynum... not that it would have made a big difference, but more importantly, no bench. Historically, Championship teams have decent to great benches, and the lack of any bench at all is what rose Kobe' stock for me.

No Bynum? WTF are you talking about? Do you even know your own goddamn teams you fucking idiot?

They didn't have extreme depth at bench, but it was more than made up for by the versatility of Gasol, Odom, and Kobe. Gasol started at the 4, and could easily slide to the 5 when Bynum was out. Odom generally played at the 3 and could easily slide to the 4 with Gasol out or at the 5. Kobe started at the 2 guard, but if Farmar was having a bad day, he could easily take over PG duties and let Farmar play the 2 which was more natural for Farmar.

Generally in the playoffs, most teams keep it around 7-8 deep for their main rotation players. The Lakers were in the exact same boat. Quit trying to underrate the team just to suck the skin off Kobe's nuts. They had a solid squad that had few weaknesses, and played extremely well together. You can't be a weak title team and win 65 games in a tough Western Conference.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Phil Jackson's teams have rarely ever had deep benches, and it's because he knows a deep bench is overrated and rarely helps in the playoffs. Having a better 9th man than the other team doesn't matter.

[Giuseppe]

GD! Sweet cheeks has returned. I missed ya, darling-boy.

[lefty]

Lakers :lmao :rollin :lol

[mavs>spurs]

GD! Sweet cheeks has returned. I missed ya, darling-boy.

You know you've got serious mental issues whenever you "miss" people on the internet whom you've never met and have no real life relationship with.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Randy Brown played less than 10 minutes a game in 1996, bringing him up as a key member of the 1996 Bulls is a new low in the Lakerfan attempt to overrate MJ's supporting cast.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

There is NOTHING MJ could do that Kobe cannot.
Except win MVP and finals MVP in the same season.

[Leetonidas]

And defensive player of the year

[Leetonidas]

Or average 30ppg over his career

[Leetonidas]

And he never got swept as the defending champ :lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Or average 30ppg over his career
at close to 50% shooting no less :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

or win a championship without a 20 point 10 rebound presence at PF or C

[Leetonidas]

or quit on his team in a closeout game to "make a point"

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

That '96 team had some solid vets to go with their big 3 in Randy Brown (doberman defender), Kukoc, "24 fouls on Shaq" (Edwards, Wennington, Luc Longley, Salley) - after Rodman, as well as one of the best sharp shooters in NBA history: Kerr
So lets go over these "solid vets" Lkrfan felt like mentioning.

John Salley played in a total of 17 regular season games with the Bulls and averaged 5 minutes a game during the playoffs.

James Edwards was 40 years old during the 1996 season. He played in 28 regular season games (at 11 MPG) and had 28 total MINUTES during the playoffs :lmao

As mentioned already, Randy Brown played a little under 10 minutes a game during the regular season and once the playoffs started played even less (7 minutes a game). Too say he would have the advantage on 2000 Fisher is pretty fuckin retarded.

The 1996 Bulls were a 7 deep team with some scrub big men they used for spot duty. The 2000 Lakers were by no means a deep team but they weren't any less deep than the 96 Bulls.

[Koolaid_Man]

or quit on his team in a closeout game to "make a point"

hey sweet cheeks check this out...we know how MJ took every game seriously...he lucky though he didn't have to face a prime Kobe or more of this would have happened. :lol

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[Leetonidas]

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[Killakobe81]

No Bynum? WTF are you talking about? Do you even know your own goddamn teams you fucking idiot?

They didn't have extreme depth at bench, but it was more than made up for by the versatility of Gasol, Odom, and Kobe. Gasol started at the 4, and could easily slide to the 5 when Bynum was out. Odom generally played at the 3 and could easily slide to the 4 with Gasol out or at the 5. Kobe started at the 2 guard, but if Farmar was having a bad day, he could easily take over PG duties and let Farmar play the 2 which was more natural for Farmar.

Generally in the playoffs, most teams keep it around 7-8 deep for their main rotation players. The Lakers were in the exact same boat. Quit trying to underrate the team just to suck the skin off Kobe's nuts. They had a solid squad that had few weaknesses, and played extremely well together. You can't be a weak title team and win 65 games in a tough Western Conference.

Agree they were not "weak" compared to recent title teams. I think they beat the Mavs or Heat from last year. And are better than the 2006 Heat.

But compared to the great title teams in history they are not that strong.

[Jodelo]

Agree they were not "weak" compared to recent title teams. I think they beat the Mavs or Heat from last year. And are better than the 2006 Heat.

But compared to the great title teams in history they are not that strong.

Don´t know about the Mavs, it seems that this was just their year.

[LkrFan]

So lets go over these "solid vets" Lkrfan felt like mentioning.

John Salley played in a total of 17 regular season games with the Bulls and averaged 5 minutes a game during the playoffs.

James Edwards was 40 years old during the 1996 season. He played in 28 regular season games (at 11 MPG) and had 28 total MINUTES during the playoffs :lmao

As mentioned already, Randy Brown played a little under 10 minutes a game during the regular season and once the playoffs started played even less (7 minutes a game). Too say he would have the advantage on 2000 Fisher is pretty fuckin retarded.
The 1996 Bulls were a 7 deep team with some scrub big men they used for spot duty. The 2000 Lakers were by no means a deep team but they weren't any less deep than the 96 Bulls.

Did you just get off the short bus? Do you find it odd that despite having no one as skilled or dominant as Shaq, Ewing, Dream, Zo, and Daughtery, the Bulls always beat teams with good or great centers? It's what I described above with "24 fouls".

Let me break it down for you. The Bulls had 3 premiere defenders at their positions that were versatile. The best one (Scottie) could guard 3 positions. The next best (Rodman) could guard all five - including the centers I mentioned above (esp Zo :lol). And the third best defender they had was no slouch (MJ).

Most teams that don't run the triangle need a good PG to run their offense. The Bulls had the ability to shut down your perimeter through the versatility of the big 3. Then if you get by them (rare) you had a Big waiting to foul you (like Cartwright or Longley or Edwards :toast or Rodman) who were not counted on for 20/10 - nor were they capable :lol.

For teams with dominant post play, it puts a lot of pressure on a big like Shaq to both guard the paint (without fouling) when a player like MJ is taking his man to the rack- and deal with hack-a-Shaq because you know PJ was going to use those "24 fouls" wisely. Plus most bigs for the Bulls could shoot jumpers, making Shaq play where he is not comfortable: on the perimeter. That's why teams P&R LA to death BTW.

Situational defense. If Shaq is about to tear the rim off, foul him. You don't need a 20/10 center or PF on your team to do that. Esp when you can get guaranteed 50+ per night from MJ and Scottie.

So I laugh when people say MJ won without a dominant big. He had bigs that would collectively give him 20/10/3 every night. Just because he is not getting that production from one player doesn't mean he wasn't getting that kind of production to compliment him and Scottie.

re: Fish. He got wide open shots in 2001 off of Kobe/Shaq double/triple teams. Randy would be in his grill - meaning he wouldn't get those open looks.

[ezau]

You're entitled after The Skunker. It's okay.

0-4 ecstasy :lol:lol

[ezau]

thread makes no sense. A champion can not be "swept". A defending champion can, but how does a champion team get swept? Wouldnt they be the ones doing any "sweeping"

Ezau forgot how this works. Excuse him it's been a while since the spurs rang ...

Looks like I struck a nerve. You mad Killa? :lol

[ezau]

MJ - Kobe - this would have been a fantastic matchup. Wash

:lol:lol:lol:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:rollin:rollin:rol lin:rollin:rollin:nope:nope:nope:nope:nope

[ezau]

There is NOTHING MJ could do that Kobe cannot. 40pts? Check 50pts? Check. 60pts? Check How bout 80+? (Sorry, I got ahead of myself there :lol).

Kobe in his prime was every bit as good as MJ. MJ highest average was like 37ppg. Kobe was 35ppg, but against much better competition, strong side zones, and all sorts of defensive gimmicks teams come up with to try and deal with him.

Better handles - Kobe
Better jumper - Kobe
Better all around game - Kobe
More skilled - Kobe

Everything else is a wash. Don't take my word though. PJ even says Kobe is on par with MJ. But I say Kobe is better.

The true difference between the 2 of them? Shitty teammates. MJ would have been a lottery bound player or first round fodder at best playing with the likes of Smush, Kwame, Cook, inconsistent Lamar Odom, Luke Walton, Terrible Brown, 58 year old Brian Grant, etc. Hell, Kobe should get a medal for willing them bastards to the playoffs in the first place. MJ never played with shit on a stick teammates like that.

MJ's legend grows by the day. *SIGH*

:wakeup

MJ won without Shaq or Gasol

[mavs>spurs]

:lol kobe scores 81 on the raptors and suddenly it's a big deal, as if MJ couldn't have scored 100 on the worst team in the league if he made it a point to. The difference is, when MJ dropped 37 ppg he didn't have to make a conscious effort, he just did it within the flow of the offense and kept on winning.

[ezau]

Jordan tried to score 100, but all he could muster up was 69. Kobe could have dropped 100 easily.

Kobe- 81 against the Pathetic Raptors

Jordan- 63 in the playoffs against the Celtics

and, Jordan was never swept as a defending champion:lol:lol

[lefty]

Kobe- 81 against the Pathetic Raptors

Jordan- 63 in the playoffs against the Celtics

and, Jordan was never swept as a defending champion:lol:lol

/Thread

Game, set and match

[Sean Cagney]

His championship teams? HELL NO, a team he was on before they were a title team contender maybe. After he broke the seal and started winning titles he would not get swept by any team out there today.

[Giuseppe]

His championship teams? HELL NO, a team he was on before they were a title team contender maybe. After he broke the seal and started winning titles he would not get swept by any team out there today.

MJ quit. Anything is possible.