Ongoing Police Brutality in NY

[mavs>spurs]

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[m>s]

yeah u see alot of this everyday nigga you be from NY thanks for sharing it wit us southerners tbh

[Cry Havoc]

In before Yoni and WC denounce him for being anti-American.

[Wild Cobra]

In before Yoni and WC denounce him for being anti-American.
I won't say he's unamerican, but I have a hard time believing he is a Marine. The left has used fake soldiers before.

[ElNono]

So has the right... ask Powell

[Cry Havoc]

I won't say he's unamerican, but I have a hard time believing he is a Marine. The left has used fake soldiers before.

Fuck you. Seriously. Fuck. You.

[Wild Cobra]

Fuck you. Seriously. Fuck. You.

OMG...

I give an honest appraisal, and you say that?

Look... If you think back, I have pointed out several times that many police are bad. I have witnessed it myself. Still, when the police are outnumbered and the people start breaking laws, I understand the use of force, partially as a deterrent to keep others in line.

It was hard to see, but one of those videos, played frame by frame, shows the protester striking the police officer before he took action.

Even the corrupt officers are cautions in public. I have a difficult time believing that they went past their authorized use of force. If they did, you can be sure they will be dealt with. there are plenty of videos out there on these large protests.

[Cry Havoc]

OMG...

I give an honest appraisal, and you say that?

You aren't an honest person. So an honest appraisal from you is still worth absolutely nothing to me. You are one of the most intellectually dishonest people I've ever "met". So again, fuck you. I'm done trying to have a meaningful conversation with you. I'm shocked that other posters ever try to even share facts with you, because clearly nothing EVER registers in your brain. Which is really sad, because you have occasionally shown the capacity to be an intelligent individual. But you are such a tool and everything you see is tinted by the view of the world that you are right 100% of the time. And it's the height of idiocy, and it's the reason that this section of the forum is so fucking pointless. Because you will never see anything another person's way unless they share your point of view. I'm done. I'm tired of hearing you suck the dick of Fox News and saying whatever your "cause" tell you to say. Fuck off.

[Wild Cobra]

You aren't an honest person. So an honest appraisal from you is still worth absolutely nothing to me. You are one of the most intellectually dishonest people I've ever "met". So again, fuck you. I'm done trying to have a meaningful conversation with you. You are such a tool and everything you see is tinted by the view of the world that you are right 100% of the time. And it's the height of idiocy, and it's the reason that this section of the forum is so fucking pointless. Because you will never see anything another person's way unless they share your point of view. I'm done. Fuck off.
OK, Crybaby. If that's what you wish to believe, it's a free nation.

[Cry Havoc]

OK, Crybaby. If that's what you wish to believe, it's a free nation.

I'm glad for that. If the politicians you worship had their druthers, there would be no semblance of freedom here.

[Wild Cobra]

I'm glad for that. If the politicians you worship had their druthers, there would be no semblance of freedom here.
Who do I worship? It's news to me that I worship anyone.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Who do I worship? It's news to me that I worship anyone.

You don't worship anything so as you are dumb. You are easily led around. That whole 'people should think of others' routine as a claim of selflessness made me realize just how much that is so.

[Wild Cobra]

In before Yoni and WC denounce him for being anti-American.
Pssssstttt.....

You're late.

This post was 17 minutes before yours:

#76 in another thread (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185258)

Is that why your panties are all bunched up?

[Wild Cobra]

I'm done. I'm tired of hearing you suck the dick of Fox News and saying whatever your "cause" tell you to say. Fuck off.
You know what's funny? The longer I have gone without cable TV, and been tuned to KPOJ (http://www.iheart.com/#/live/1965/?########=true) when I turn the radio on, the more I am accused of that shit. Maybe I'm just reacting to the left's stupidity...

You guys really are libtards...

[z0sa]

great thread, would read again

[silverblk mystix]

#1) Did not see any police brutality in this video....misleading title...

#2) Alleged Marine...was in uniform in public....who the fuck wears their military uniform in public....what a fuckin' disgrace....I never wore my military uniform in public unless I was actually on duty.

#3) His uniform shirt was unbuttoned...military people in uniform don't walk around with open shirts....because that is actually called "being out of uniform"....when you are in uniform you are bound by military rules/regs to wear the uniform properly...and this is on a military base...if you do this in public...you are just embarrassing the military and yourself.

4) no police brutality in video...so what the fuck was he complaining about...?

[Wild Cobra]

#1) Did not see any police brutality in this video....misleading title...

#2) Alleged Marine...was in uniform in public....who the fuck wears their military uniform in public....what a fuckin' disgrace....I never wore my military uniform in public unless I was actually on duty.

#3) His uniform shirt was unbuttoned...military people in uniform don't walk around with open shirts....because that is actually called "being out of uniform"....when you are in uniform you are bound by military rules/regs to wear the uniform properly...and this is on a military base...if you do this in public...you are just embarrassing the military and yourself.

4) no police brutality in video...so what the fuck was he complaining about...?
And people wonder why I say "fake marine."

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Nice meltdown. :golfclap

[Halberto]

Yeah, this video clearly was made with an agenda. Looked unprovoked and planned.

[101A]

Major props to the cops in that video; completely professional from beginning to end.

[desflood]

Shirt is ill-fitting and incorrectly worn, pants are not uniform, head is shaven and beard is not. Maybe he was once military, but he isn't now.

[greyforest]

Who do I worship? It's news to me that I worship anyone.

You worship the GOP and their propaganda machine.

The liberal propaganda machine is nowhere near as strong yet you identify when they try to pull wool over your eyes...but then when the GOP puts wool over your eyes you love it and want more of their wool.

[hater]

Major props to the cops in that video; completely professional from beginning to end.

because they should have been compelled to beat that negro down? they kept eyeing the cameras, so they were like 'oh, they got me on camera. better chill'

[Destro]

I was at the Times Sq demonstrations. The cops were confused and overwhelmed by the amount of people. The protest was several blocks long between 48th and 43 st on both sides of the sidewalk. For those of you that haven't been to new York it will be difficult to grasp the context where this demonstration was situated. There were hundreds of police, horse mounted, riot, bomb squad, helicopters and foot patrol. One set of police would tell you to get off the street and stay on the sidewalk while the other cops would say the opposite. They we're confused which led to their pushing and shoving.

The demonstrators were peacefully standing in designated areas. They were not breaking any laws. The cops decided to shut it down and that's where this video comes in. I don't know if he's a real marine but I agree with his message. As Americans we have the right to make our voices heard. This isn't a Left/right issue both sides should agree.

The cops near me were cool. They laughed at the signs, they explained what they were doing, and they clarified everything with their officers when they noticed confusion in the ranks. Others about thirty yards from me were über aggressive.

[Wild Cobra]

You worship the GOP and their propaganda machine.

The liberal propaganda machine is nowhere near as strong yet you identify when they try to pull wool over your eyes...but then when the GOP puts wool over your eyes you love it and want more of their wool.
And what if you are wrong? Are you always certain of your assumptions?

[DisAsTerBot]

lol op talking to himself in the second post
what an idiot

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

There probably has been plenty of excessive force from cops during occupy Wall Street but they did nothing wrong in that video

[mavs>spurs]

#1) Did not see any police brutality in this video....misleading title...

#2) Alleged Marine...was in uniform in public....who the fuck wears their military uniform in public....what a fuckin' disgrace....I never wore my military uniform in public unless I was actually on duty.

#3) His uniform shirt was unbuttoned...military people in uniform don't walk around with open shirts....because that is actually called "being out of uniform"....when you are in uniform you are bound by military rules/regs to wear the uniform properly...and this is on a military base...if you do this in public...you are just embarrassing the military and yourself.

4) no police brutality in video...so what the fuck was he complaining about...?

This video was a marines response to police brutality that has been going on in NY for weeks now, nobody ever said that the video captured a specific act of violence. Get your nose out of Fox and CNN's asses and pay attention to what is going on in the world, try to keep up. It's common knowledge at this point what has been going on. In many instances they are pulling people out of the crowd at random to be beaten and arrested. If you like I can post other videos that DO show police brutality in the midst of these occupy protests.

Secondly, you were never in the military and are nothing more than a fake tough guy yourself, evidenced by your wanting to be a prison guard.

But the part about your post I just can't get over and has been making me :lmao is where you claim to be former military but then ask "who the fuck wears their uniform out in public?" Dude, if you ever served you would undoubtedly know that this is common practice, hell, I saw a soldier wearing his in class just a few minutes ago this morning.

[mavs>spurs]

There probably has been plenty of excessive force from cops during occupy Wall Street but they did nothing wrong in that video

Don't tell me you're off the adderall and acting as stupid as the rest of these fucks in here???? Why would this video have to capture any police violence in order for a marine to be entitled to voice his opinion about something he saw off camera before the rant started and someone began filming him? Cmon, try to use a little common sense here people. He motherfucking says in the interview afterward what sparked his rant.

[mavs>spurs]

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[mavs>spurs]

Didn't know you could be arrested for holding up a flag and asking "is this what you are about?" to a cop. Also gotta love the way the cop just randomly started swinging at one of the bystanders.

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[mavs>spurs]

You'll have to fast forward to about 3:00 on this one to see where the tyranny you all love starts to get really juicy!

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[hater]

IMO it's stupid to call NYPD brutal.

like someone else said, they are overwhelmed and trying to control ppl. Of course they will get a bit rough. That does not mean they are brutal.

Until ppl start getting hospitalized and killed, this is not brutality at all. Don't protest if you dont wanna get shoved around.

[mavs>spurs]

Why do they need to control peaceful protesters who are unarmed? I have yet to see an instance where people were so out of control that they needed to be assaulted to prevent them from being a danger to anyone tbh.

[hater]

Why do they need to control peaceful protesters who are unarmed? I have yet to see an instance where people were so out of control that they needed to be assaulted to prevent them from being a danger to anyone tbh.

they need to keep regular pedestrian/motorized foot traffic going. The city cannot be totally paralized because of OWS.

it's cool that they are protesting. but bitching about a few shoves and pulls. is weak.

[mavs>spurs]

:vomit:

"A few pushes and pulls" dude people are being full out assaulted and arrested just for exercising their constitutional right peaceful protest. If you don't see a problem with that then you are a part of the problem tbh.

[mingus]

Where's the brutality in this video?

And it's fair to question the motive and therefore identity of anyone who wants to be filmed and put on you tube. A lot of attention whores.

[mavs>spurs]

Where's the brutality in this video?

And it's fair to question the motive and therefore identity of anyone who wants to be filmed and put on you tube. A lot of attention whores.


This video was a marines response to police brutality that has been going on in NY for weeks now, nobody ever said that the video captured a specific act of violence. Get your nose out of Fox and CNN's asses and pay attention to what is going on in the world, try to keep up. It's common knowledge at this point what has been going on. In many instances they are pulling people out of the crowd at random to be beaten and arrested. If you like I can post other videos that DO show police brutality in the midst of these occupy protests.

Secondly, you were never in the military and are nothing more than a fake tough guy yourself, evidenced by your wanting to be a prison guard.

But the part about your post I just can't get over and has been making me :lmao is where you claim to be former military but then ask "who the fuck wears their uniform out in public?" Dude, if you ever served you would undoubtedly know that this is common practice, hell, I saw a soldier wearing his in class just a few minutes ago this morning.

Learn to read

[hater]

:vomit:

"A few pushes and pulls" dude people are being full out assaulted and arrested just for exercising their constitutional right peaceful protest. If you don't see a problem with that then you are a part of the problem tbh.

sorry but "arresting" someone is not = brutality. different issue.

how many protesters have been to the hospital?

[mavs>spurs]

sorry but "arresting" someone is not = brutality. different issue.

how many protesters have been to the hospital?

Post #31 in this thread, towards the end. Officer just started swinging on a bystander punching him in the face. Punching in the face = assault.

[mingus]

Learn to read

Evidence of police brutality? I haven't seen any "brutality" and I've been keeping up with it.

[mavs>spurs]

I posted a few videos

[hater]

Post #31 in this thread, towards the end. Officer just started swinging on a bystander punching him in the face. Punching in the face = assault.

believe me I'm the first one to call a pig a pig if I see one. But I think that idiot was trying to disrupt the handcuffing of that other idiot.

now was the handcuffing cool? no. but it was not brutality.

[mavs>spurs]

Since some of you need to hear it from mainstream media in order for your brains to get it, here's an MSNBC clip. Don't respond until you actually watch this video it's worth it, even if you choose not to watch the others.

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[hater]

NYPD hosts the Puerto Rican Parade on a yearly basis.

OWS is peanuts compared to thousands of shitfaced ghetto puerto ricans

[CosmicCowboy]

Why do they need to control peaceful protesters who are unarmed? I have yet to see an instance where people were so out of control that they needed to be assaulted to prevent them from being a danger to anyone tbh.

As long as people have articulating thumbs they are capable of wielding a weapon in seconds. When police get outnumbered and feel intimidated by crowd aggression they can and will react with legal force. Anyone that puts themselves in the position to be the recipient of this reaction probably deserves to be whacked.

[mavs>spurs]

As long as people have articulating thumbs they are capable of wielding a weapon in seconds. When police get outnumbered and feel intimidated by crowd aggression they can and will react with legal force. Anyone that puts themselves in the position to be the recipient of this reaction probably deserves to be whacked.

Depends what you mean by "putting yourself in the position." If someone is in the middle of an angry mob where people are assaulting cops? Sure, you know what you're getting yourself into. But in a peaceful protest like these, where no cops have been assaulted and there is no danger, no weapons, no violence etc? How can you say that these people deserve this for simply exercising a constitutional right that our founding fathers intended for us to have?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

As long as people have articulating thumbs they are capable of wielding a weapon in seconds. When police get outnumbered and feel intimidated by crowd aggression they can and will react with legal force. Anyone that puts themselves in the position to be the recipient of this reaction probably deserves to be whacked.
This is bullshit, there haven't been any acts of violence against police, if crowds of angry people was all police needed to use force, then that means there's no right to protest in this country.

Everything I've heard indicates the protests have been nothing but peaceful so far.

[CosmicCowboy]

Depends what you mean by "putting yourself in the position." If someone is in the middle of an angry mob where people are assaulting cops? Sure, you know what you're getting yourself into. But in a peaceful protest like these, where no cops have been assaulted and there is no danger, no weapons, no violence etc? How can you say that these people deserve this for simply exercising a constitutional right that our founding fathers intended for us to have?

There are limits to constitutional rights. I have a constitutional right to own guns but that doesn't mean I can go out and buy a full auto M16 without government approval and limitations. The right of free speech and assembly has it's limits too. Permits, etc. and when a cop tells you to move and you don't move you fucking deserve to get whacked.

[mavs>spurs]

This is bullshit, there haven't been any acts of violence against police, if crowds of angry people was all police needed to use force, then that means there's no right to protest in this country.

Everything I've heard indicates the protests have been nothing but peaceful so far.

Exxxxxxactly.

Welcome to the discussion.

[CosmicCowboy]

This is bullshit, there haven't been any acts of violence against police, if crowds of angry people was all police needed to use force, then that means there's no right to protest in this country.

Everything I've heard indicates the protests have been nothing but peaceful so far.

When you unlawfully block a bridge and prevent people from getting to their jobs and do not disperse when asked to do so by the police that is not a "peaceful" demonstration.

[mavs>spurs]

There are limits to constitutional rights. I have a constitutional right to own guns but that doesn't mean I can go out and buy a full auto M16 without government approval and limitations. The right of free speech and assembly has it's limits too. Permits, etc. and when a cop tells you to move and you don't move you fucking deserve to get whacked.

It isn't that people are obstructing traffic and the when cops tell them to move and they get all rebellious! Not at all, they aren't doing a damn thing illegal and the cops are just pushing them around to incite conflict.

[hater]

There are limits to constitutional rights. I have a constitutional right to own guns but that doesn't mean I can go out and buy a full auto M16 without government approval and limitations. The right of free speech and assembly has it's limits too. Permits, etc. and when a cop tells you to move and you don't move you fucking deserve to get whacked.

if everyone thought like this the Civil Rights movement would have never happened. Also the US would probably still be fighting the Vietnam war.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

There are limits to constitutional rights. I have a constitutional right to own guns but that doesn't mean I can go out and buy a full auto M16 without government approval and limitations. The right of free speech and assembly has it's limits too. Permits, etc. and when a cop tells you to move and you don't move you fucking deserve to get whacked.
If the cop has no good reason for making you move then he shouldn't be in a position of authority.

[mavs>spurs]

When you unlawfully block a bridge and prevent people from getting to their jobs and do not disperse when asked to do so by the police that is not a "peaceful" demonstration.

That isn't what is happening. Basically the cops are saying sure! you have the right to protest! but not there. Or there. Or there or there. Are you disobeying me!? BAM! Mace in yo face son. And we're going to crack your head wide open with this baton, then you're going to jail. That'll teach you not to bow down and cower before us!

That's the type of shit that is causing a bunch of uproar.

[mavs>spurs]

If the cop has no good reason for making you move then he shouldn't be in a position of authority.

Exactly, and this is exactly how they incite conflict where there isn't any, and it all snowballs from there.

[CosmicCowboy]

It isn't that people are obstructing traffic and the when cops tell them to move and they get all rebellious! Not at all, they aren't doing a damn thing illegal and the cops are just pushing them around to incite conflict.

That blanket statement you just made is complete and total bullshit and any intelligent person knows it.

Besides, "peaceful" has nothing to do with "lawful". People get arrested every day for "peaceful" crimes.

[mavs>spurs]

That blanket statement you just made is complete and total bullshit and any intelligent person knows it.

Besides, "peaceful" has nothing to do with "lawful". People get arrested every day for "peaceful" crimes.

They aren't doing anything unlawful either. Excuse me for using the words interchangeably, but let's not let this devolve into a semantics argument.

[mavs>spurs]

This article will help to explain the NYPD's response a bit.

http://www.disinfo.com/2011/10/jp-morgan-chase-donates-4-6-million-to-nypd-on-eve-of-protests/

JP Morgan Chase Donates $4.6 Million To NYPD On Eve Of Protests

Posted by JacobSloan on October 3, 2011
http://disinfo.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/167451-occupy-wall-street.jpg (http://disinfo.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/167451-occupy-wall-street.jpg)Wondering how much it costs to buy off the police department? JP Morgan Chase just gave the New York City Police Foundation the largest donation in its history. How the police show their gratitude will presumably determine whether they receive similar donations from companies in the future. Via Naked Capitalism (http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/):

No matter how you look at this development, it does not smell right. From JP Morgan’s website (http://www.jpmorganchase.com/corporate/Home/article/ny-13.htm?TB_iframe=true&height=580&width=850), hat tip Lisa Epstein:

JPMorgan Chase recently donated an unprecedented $4.6 million to the New York City Police Foundation. The gift was the largest in the history of the foundation and will enable the New York City Police Department to strengthen security in the Big Apple. The money will pay for 1,000 new patrol car laptops, as well as security monitoring software in the NYPD’s main data center.
New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly sent CEO and Chairman Jamie Dimon a note expressing “profound gratitude” for the company’s donation.
“These officers put their lives on the line every day to keep us safe,” Dimon said. “We’re incredibly proud to help them build this program and let them know how much we value their hard work.”
Now readers can point out that this gift is bupkis relative to the budget of the police department, which is close to $4 billion. But looking at it on a mathematical basis likely misses the incentives at work. Dimon is one of the most powerful and connected corporate leaders in Gotham City. If he thinks the police donation was worthwhile, he might encourage other bank and big company CEOs to make large donations.
And what sort of benefits might JPM get? The police might be extra protective of your interests. Today, OccupyWallStreet decided to march across the Brooklyn Bridge (a proud New York tradition) to Chase Manhattan Plaza in Brooklyn. Reports in the media indicate that the police at first seemed to be encouraging the protestors not only to cross the bridge, but were walking in front of the crowd, seemingly escorting them across. Over 700 of the marchers were arrested, and the media has a rather amusing “he said, she said” account, with OccupyWallStreet claiming entrapment and the cops batting their baby blues and trying to look innocent.
We simply don’t know whether the police would have behaved one iota differently in the absence of the JP Morgan donation. But it raises the troubling perspective that they might have.

[CosmicCowboy]

That isn't what is happening. Basically the cops are saying sure! you have the right to protest! but not there. Or there. Or there or there. Are you disobeying me!? BAM! Mace in yo face son. And we're going to crack your head wide open with this baton, then you're going to jail. That'll teach you not to bow down and cower before us!

That's the type of shit that is causing a bunch of uproar.

:lmao

Are you trying to tell us that on October 1st they didn't shut down the Brooklyn Bridge?

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/10/01/nyregion/20111002_PROTEST_337-slide-BX8X/20111002_PROTEST_337-slide-BX8X-blog480-v2.jpg

[CosmicCowboy]

They aren't doing anything unlawful either. Excuse me for using the words interchangeably, but let's not let this devolve into a semantics argument.

Semantics??????

:lmao

You are trying to make the case that it is OK to break the law peacefully.

When a cop asks you to move and you refuse that is breaking the law.

[mavs>spurs]

Are you trying to tell us that on October 1st they didn't shut down the Brooklyn Bridge?

Blanket statement IMO. Not all of the protesters who have been unlawfully arrested were standing on the bridge. These protests are all over and a lot of the violence hasn't even taken place in New York at all. This footage was shot at Occupy Seattle.

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The thing is, these protests are springing up all over the nation and the police response has been overwhelming in an attempt to squash it.

[mavs>spurs]

Semantics??????

:lmao

You are trying to make the case that it is OK to break the law peacefully.

No, let me make it clear. Those people who were involved in the blocking of the bridge that particular day deserved whatever response was given in that particular instance. But the entire past month of occupy protests all over the COUNTRY didn't happen in the vaccuum of the brooklyn bridge. In many other cases, the police have acted out of line.

[CosmicCowboy]

No, let me make it clear. Those people who were involved in the blocking of the bridge that particular day deserved whatever response was given in that particular instance. But the entire past month of occupy protests all over the COUNTRY didn't happen in the vaccuum of the brooklyn bridge.

And you are making the assertion that all these innocent people are being arrested when you do not know the specific details of the specific arrests.

I'm not saying the police are always perfect.

I'm saying that your unsubstantiated blanket assertion of crowd innocence is a typical OWS sheeple move and I am throwing the bullshit flag.

[mavs>spurs]

I think your blanket statement of since a few protesters blocked the bridge, all protesters are in the wrong is a lot more slanted than my view on the cops behavior. The evidence is overwhelming and Fox won't have none of it.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

When a cop asks you to move and you refuse that is breaking the law.
So if a cop Rang my door bell, told me to leave my house until he allowed me to come back with no explanation or justification, I'd be breaking the law if I refused to?

[mavs>spurs]

So if a cop Rang my door bell, told me to leave my house until he allowed me to come back with no explanation or justification, I'd be breaking the law if I refused to?

I can post a video where a cop came INSIDE a guys house, wouldn't leave when told to (there was no warrant) and arrested the guy for filming him IN HIS OWN HOUSE. That scenario of yours isn't even that outlandish at all, i know the answer you were looking for is "no it isn't breaking the law" but today you could actually be arrested that way.

[hater]

:lol YH and Cosmic both being dumb

- no the protesters should not expect a beatdown if they refuse to budge :lol
- but no a few beatdowns in 30 days of mass protests does not equal police brutality

[CosmicCowboy]

So if a cop Rang my door bell, told me to leave my house until he allowed me to come back with no explanation or justification, I'd be breaking the law if I refused to?

Can you document a case where that has really happened?

Using your hypothetical, however, if a train derailed and was leaking chlorine gas just hundreds of feet from your house as I understand it, he would be within his legal right to demand that you evacuate your house without a warrant. In that situation when both oh your lives were in danger he probably wouldn't have time to explain in detail the dangers of breathing Cl in a vaporous state.

[mavs>spurs]

:lol YH and Cosmic both being dumb

- no the protesters should not expect a beatdown if they refuse to budge :lol
- but no a few beatdowns in 30 days of mass protests does not equal police brutality

i already conceded that the people blocking the bridge should have moved and the police had every right to use force in that particular instance. the problem is, you're looking at the situation with a very narrow scope if you just pick out that one particular instance. i'm talking about the cases where people are just getting pulled out of the crowd at random and beaten.

[mavs>spurs]

Can you document a case where that has really happened?

Using your hypothetical, however, if a train derailed and was leaking chlorine gas just hundreds of feet from your house as I understand it, he would be within his legal right to demand that you evacuate your house without a warrant. In that situation when both oh your lives were in danger he probably wouldn't have time to explain in detail the dangers of breathing Cl in a vaporous state.

That's quite a straw man you've constructed there, eww so lifelike.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Can you document a case where that has really happened?

I wasn't asking if it's ever happened, I'm asking if that would be breaking the law, because according to your blanket statement it would.

[fraga]

It ain't right...if it ain't WHITE!!!

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol YH and Cosmic both being dumb

- no the protesters should not expect a beatdown if they refuse to budge :lol
- but no a few beatdowns in 30 days of mass protests does not equal police brutality

:lol @ Hater calling ANYONE dumb while sitting in the front seat of the short bus.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

he would be within his legal right to demand that you evacuate your house without a warrant.
No he wouldn't be.

[hater]

:lol @ Hater calling ANYONE dumb while sitting in the front seat of the short bus.

:lmao

if everyone thought like you blacks would still be slaves and kids would still be getting killed in Nam

[CosmicCowboy]

That's quite a straw man you've constructed there, eww so lifelike.

That was not a straw man. That was an example of a situation where I think it would be legal for an officer to demand someone leave their home without producing a warrant.

[mavs>spurs]

Can you document a case where that has really happened?

No but I can document a case where a woman was told to go inside her house and was later arrested for filming a traffic stop from her own front yard. There had been talk in the news of racial profiling in that particular town and she was documenting it to show to the news station.

I can document another case where a man was filming a traffic stop from deep inside his own garage, the cop comes in his house without a warrant, the guy says you're in my house leave, and the cop doesn't then arrests him for one of those bogus wiretapping charges that have been ruled unconstitutional lately especially in illinois.

Both instances are similar in outlandishness to what you were asking, but true nonetheless.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lmao

if everyone thought like you blacks would still be slaves and kids would still be getting killed in Nam

Which shows just how fucking dumb you are. You seem to have me confused with your Daddy/Mothers brother. Products like you are why they have laws against incest.

[hater]

Which shows just how fucking dumb you are. You seem to have me confused with your Daddy/Mothers brother. Products like you are why they have laws against incest.

:lol here we go with the name calling

"but your mama is fat" :lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

That was not a straw man. That was an example of a situation where I think it would be legal for an officer to demand someone leave their home without producing a warrant.
The question isn't whether or not it's legal to demand someone leave their home.

You originally said anyone who refused to move when a cop told them to is breaking the law. Maybe the cop can legally demand they leave their house, but the person isn't breaking any laws if he chooses to stay in his house.

[CosmicCowboy]

No but I can document a case where a woman was told to go inside her house and was later arrested for filming a traffic stop from her own front yard. There had been talk in the news of racial profiling in that particular town and she was documenting it to show to the news station.

I can document another case where a man was filming a traffic stop from deep inside his own garage, the cop comes in his house without a warrant, the guy says you're in my house leave, and the cop doesn't then arrests him for one of those bogus wiretapping charges that have been ruled unconstitutional lately especially in illinois.

Both instances are similar in outlandishness to what you were asking, but true nonetheless.

I am not even attempting to give a blanket pass to ALL cops in ALL situations. Just like other people in other professions there are good and bad ones.

Do some cops over-reach in the heat of the moment? Sure.

hOWEVER, If a cop with a bullhorn tells you to move and you refuse to move, whether right or wrong, you are ASKING to get whacked.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

hOWEVER, If a cop with a bullhorn tells you to move and you refuse to move, whether right or wrong, you are ASKING to get whacked.
:lol funny how the goal posts move. At first, you're "breaking the law" if you don't move when a cop asks you to. Now, all you're doing is "asking to get whacked" which is something completely different.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol here we go with the name calling

"but your mama is fat" :lmao

You are the one who just called me a racist (without ANY substantiation) and claimed I supported the Vietnam War (which is TOTALLY laughable).

Just leave it alone.

[mavs>spurs]

Someone who's job is to "serve and protect" whacking people for doing something that isn't against the law seems a little out of line to me.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol funny how the goal posts move. At first, you're "breaking the law" if you don't move when a cop asks you to. Now, all you're doing is "asking to get whacked" which is something completely different.

There are laws on the book for refusing to follow an officer of the laws directions in a public place. If you are driving and come to a green light but there is a cop standing in the intersection stopping traffic you are breaking the law if you drive through the intersection even though you had a green light. If you are in a crowd and an officer tells you to move and you don't move you are breaking the law and subject to arrest. If you resist or the officer thinks you are resisting you are subject to getting whacked.

It's pretty simple, really.

[hater]

You are the one who just called me a racist (without ANY substantiation) and claimed I supported the Vietnam War (which is TOTALLY laughable).

Just leave it alone.

not really. I said if everyone followed your advice and moved and stoped when asked by police. None of the civil movements would have been successful.

[CosmicCowboy]

not really. I said if everyone followed your advice and moved and stoped when asked by police. None of the civil movements would have been successful.

Of course it would have. To paraphrase Dylan, "The times, they were a changin".

[CosmicCowboy]

not really. I said if everyone followed your advice and moved and stoped when asked by police. None of the civil movements would have been successful.

BTW, comparing these OWS people to the civil rights movement really IS building a straw man.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Of course it would have. To paraphrase Dylan, "The times, they were a changin".

This is just dumb. You might as well have said Gandhi should have been compliant as well.

[CosmicCowboy]

Do you idiots realize that by the time of what you call "the civil rights movement" of the 60's that the overt legal discrimination of blacks was pretty much geographically limited to the deep south which was run by Democrats?

[DarrinS]

WmEHcOc0Sys

Is there a video showing the brutality he was talking about. Seems to me, he was trying very hard to provoke some, but the cops just stared at him.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

There are laws on the book for refusing to follow an officer of the laws directions in a public place.
How come you didn't mention this qualifier before?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Do you idiots realize that by the time of what you call "the civil rights movement" of the 60's that the overt legal discrimination of blacks was pretty much geographically limited to the deep south which was run by Democrats?
:lol you mean the same deep South that votes overwhelmingly Conservative in every election

[CosmicCowboy]

How come you didn't mention this qualifier before?

Are the OWS protesters in their fucking living room? The reason not to have to include the qualifier should be painfully obvious even to partisan hacks like you.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol you mean the same deep South that votes overwhelmingly Conservative in every election

Which has what to do with what?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

http://www.surveyusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/map-mccain-vs-obama.png

Look at all those Democrats in the deep south!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Do you idiots realize that by the time of what you call "the civil rights movement" of the 60's that the overt legal discrimination of blacks was pretty much geographically limited to the deep south which was run by Democrats?

And do you realize that those southern democrat politicos defected to the GOP in the 60s and 70s? Nixon was the first to try and appeal to them nationally. By 1980 they were gone.

Go review the political career of Strom Thurmond.

[CosmicCowboy]

http://www.surveyusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/map-mccain-vs-obama.png

Look at all those Democrats in the deep south!

Your stupidity and ignorance of basic history is showing.

[CosmicCowboy]

And do you realize that those southern democrat politicos defected to the GOP in the 60s and 70s? Nixon was the first to try and appeal to them nationally. By 1980 they were gone.

Go review the political career of Strom Thurmond.

I think that was more of a reaction to the overthrow of the democratic party by the far left wing. You simply can't make the case that the republican party was against civil rights.

[hater]

BTW, comparing these OWS people to the civil rights movement really IS building a straw man.

that's what bigots probably called the 60s protests of Nam

[CosmicCowboy]

that's what bigots probably called the 60s protests of Nam

Just go back to the troll forum Oden. You are way over your head in here.

[greyforest]

And what if you are wrong? Are you always certain of your assumptions?

No! The media lies all goddamn day. You're the one who is always certain of your assumptions, remember?

[hater]

Just go back to the troll forum Oden. You are way over your head in here.

will I get whacked if I disobey?

[CosmicCowboy]

will I get whacked if I disobey?

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/8985/oden.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/545/oden.jpg/)

Hater...

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[hater]

You're a good looking guy, but no thanks. I'm straight.

[CosmicCowboy]

You're a good looking guy, but no thanks. I'm straight.

Sure can't tell it by your picture you posted.

[hater]

Sure can't tell it by your picture you posted.

sure, if you wanna believe that's me and jack off to that pic, go right ahead.

but let's stay on topic. You claim protesters should always obey every order given from the police. I say if that was the case in the 50s and 60s, we'd still have segregation and a war in Vietnam.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think that was more of a reaction to the overthrow of the democratic party by the far left wing. You simply can't make the case that the republican party was against civil rights.

Try and keep up. You made the comment that the democrats were the party behind Jim Crow and then make comments about history.

What you say is true. After the voting rights act of 1965, minorities had the majority and pushed them from the positions of power. The old guard was courted by Nixon and migrated over to the GOP. I make no comments about the current constituents of the GOP beyond to say that it is the party of the white segment of the baby boomers as it is currently constructed.

Thrumond and his ilk are long dead. My point is that while those obvious racists started off in the democratic party they ended their careers in the GOP.

[hater]

shit if Cosmic had his way the Berlin Wall and Apartheid would still be standing :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

shit if Cosmic had his way the Berlin Wall and Apartheid would still be standing :lol

And I am done responding to you, you fucking idiot.

[CosmicCowboy]

Try and keep up. You made the comment that the democrats were the party behind Jim Crow and then make comments about history.

What you say is true. After the voting rights act of 1965, minorities had the majority and pushed them from the positions of power. The old guard was courted by Nixon and migrated over to the GOP. I make no comments about the current constituents of the GOP beyond to say that it is the party of the white segment of the baby boomers as it is currently constructed.

Thrumond and his ilk are long dead. My point is that while those obvious racists started off in the democratic party they ended their careers in the GOP.

Who besides Strom Thurmond switched parties? He is the only one I am aware of.

And the history is undeniable. The Democratic party was the last bastion of segregation.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Who besides Strom Thurmond switched parties? He is the only one I am aware of.

And the history is undeniable. The Democratic party was the last bastion of segregation.

Are you serious?

Give me a break. The party structure starts at the precinct level on up. The majority of the racist nonsense went on at the county and state level.

The biggest indication of this trend was the change in Texas' primary system after the passage of the 24th amendment was going from the closed poll tax, literacy test system to the semiclosed system that is still in use today. It was specifically done so that they could begin voting in GOP primaries in their districts.

Go look at the county seats of Georgia, Alabama, Texas, South Carolina and Mississippi and its right there. Nixon saw the political clout and courted them. It culminated in the sea of red that was the 1980 election.

[CosmicCowboy]

Are you serious?

Give me a break. The party structure starts at the precinct level on up. The majority of the racist nonsense went on at the county and state level.

The biggest indication of this trend was the change in Texas' primary system after the passage of the 24th amendment was going from the closed poll tax, literacy test system to the semiclosed system that is still in use today. It was specifically done so that they could begin voting in GOP primaries in their districts.

Go look at the county seats of Georgia, Alabama, Texas, South Carolina and Mississippi and its right there. Nixon saw the political clout and courted them. It culminated in the sea of red that was the 1980 election.

LOL I never disputed that conservatives have gradually drifted to the Republican party after the leadership of the Democratic party was seized by the radical left. Nixon certainly benefited by this drift but the wounds to the democratic party were more self inflicted than masterminded by Nixon. Those mainstream democrats had already become alienated from the party before they became Reagan Democrats.

[Destro]

:lmao

Are you trying to tell us that on October 1st they didn't shut down the Brooklyn Bridge?

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/10/01/nyregion/20111002_PROTEST_337-slide-BX8X/20111002_PROTEST_337-slide-BX8X-blog480-v2.jpg

I was there and I was detained along with my research team (i work at a major research university in the area, i study smart mobs). The cops corralled the demonstrators onto the bridge. They split them between the pedestrian walkway and and the traffic side. Once there the police blocked both exits of the bridge and arrested or detained everybody. The protesters didn't shut down the bridge, the cops led them them there. The plan was for the protesters to take the pedestrian walkway to Brooklyn to gather more people to then walk back to Liberty Park.


You guys are always slamming the liberal or conservative media yet you choose to believe them when it's convenient for you. This isn't a republican/democratic argument or "movement". It is much more politically diverse than you have been led to believe by mainstream media. But believe and interpret as you see fit...

[CosmicCowboy]

You are on a "research team" that studies "smart mobs?"


sorry...














































:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

So why did ALL the media reports say that only the ones on the roadway were arrested and that the ones on the pedestrian walkway were not arrested. Are you saying they all lied?

[DarrinS]

Did anyone ever find a video of the "brutality"?

[Cry Havoc]

You are on a "research team" that studies "smart mobs?"


sorry...




Did that go over your head, CC? It's okay to admit it.

[Cry Havoc]

Here CC, educate yourself for once. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_mob

This isn't spoon fed to you. You actually have to do some reading here.

[silverblk mystix]

This video was a marines response to police brutality that has been going on in NY for weeks now, nobody ever said that the video captured a specific act of violence. Get your nose out of Fox and CNN's asses and pay attention to what is going on in the world, try to keep up. It's common knowledge at this point what has been going on. In many instances they are pulling people out of the crowd at random to be beaten and arrested. If you like I can post other videos that DO show police brutality in the midst of these occupy protests.

Secondly, you were never in the military and are nothing more than a fake tough guy yourself, evidenced by your wanting to be a prison guard.

But the part about your post I just can't get over and has been making me :lmao is where you claim to be former military but then ask "who the fuck wears their uniform out in public?" Dude, if you ever served you would undoubtedly know that this is common practice, hell, I saw a soldier wearing his in class just a few minutes ago this morning.

You do a lot of assuming and generally sound like an ignorant asshole.

I absolutely served in the military---who the fuck would make that up? Is there some kind of warped reason to invent that shit?

I absofuckinlutely refused to wear my military uniform in public...I served honorably and thought nothing of it...if I had been a poseur---I would have worn my uniform out in public. Let me be clear here;

ANYONE in the military that wears their uniform in public---WITHOUT an official reason is nothing but a fuckin' poseur....why the fuck would you?
Wear it to your duty station or only on a military base or to some function where you have been ORDERED TO....otherwise who are you trying to impress?

That idiot in your class wearing a military uniform...???? WTF?

Does this moron not have a civilian wardrobe? Why the fuck would he even wear that to a class? What a stupid poseur. If you are serving your country...there is absolutely no need to attempt to parade your uniform anywhere in public.

One last thing....regarding the OP video....

If I was this moron's commanding officer and I saw this video...I would call that poseur into my office and tell him who the fuck does he think he is wearing his uniform out in public and making an ass out of the military? Is this idiot's political views the same views that the military shares? Because if you are out in public in uniform=====YOU ARE REPRESENTING THE MILITARY!!!!

And anything you say or do is just a good or bad reflection on the military....and I would absolutely suspend this idiot until an investigation could be completed....

[CosmicCowboy]

Did that go over your head, CC? It's okay to admit it.


uhhhh no. Thanks for asking.

[CosmicCowboy]

Here CC, educate yourself for once. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_mob

This isn't spoon fed to you. You actually have to do some reading here.

I know what a "smart mob" is dumbass.

[Cry Havoc]

I know what a "smart mob" is dumbass.

:lmao

Clearly.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lmao

Clearly.

Whats your problem, bitch? Reading comprehension?

I find the fact that there are "research teams" studying "smart mobs" highly amusing.

[CosmicCowboy]

OMG technically literate people that typically comprise a OWS mob are using modern communication devices and social media to communicate?

That's a real fucking shocker...:lol

Lets see if we can get a government grant to study that....

It's amusing and sad at the same time. No wonder this is the lost fucking generation.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

LOL I never disputed that conservatives have gradually drifted to the Republican party after the leadership of the Democratic party was seized by the radical left. Nixon certainly benefited by this drift but the wounds to the democratic party were more self inflicted than masterminded by Nixon. Those mainstream democrats had already become alienated from the party before they became Reagan Democrats.

If by radical left you mean minorities that had gotten the right to vote and wanted to take positions of power then I agree with you.

When i think 'radical left' as its portrayed by Coutler and Fox nation, I envision Maoists, Stalinists and the Marixist boogeyman. No, these were just minorities who voted as a block. Thats not radical unless you fear the minority population of the US.

As for Nixon and Thurmond. The 1968 RNC was a circumstance where Thurmond galvanized the support of the former southern democrats to insure his nomination. Thats why I bring it up because it was the first sign of their participation in a GOP coalition on national politics.

Their politics of giving the appearance to middle and lower class white men of being part of the establishment which galvanized support amongst those who could vote pre-1965 is still being used today. Thats why I laugh my ass off at crackers in that demographic that consider themselves part of the GOP establishment just as I shake my head looking at history and the poor small planters that ate that horseshit a century ago.

I am not a big fan of cycles of mediocrity myself but whatevs. Its your choie to eat shit if you want to. At least you are not like WC who asks for more after you fuck him in the ass.

[CosmicCowboy]

It was not a minority vote issue. Blacks have had the right to vote since 1870 ( i know, poll tax blablabla). With the notable exception of Clinton the democrats insisted on fielding some awful left of center candidates during that era....George McGovern? REALLY? Michael Dukakis? They splintered their base and practically RAN the moderates to the Republican party.

[Destro]

So why did ALL the media reports say that only the ones on the roadway were arrested and that the ones on the pedestrian walkway were not arrested. Are you saying they all lied?

Correct. The people on the street were either arrested or detained. The people on the sidewalk were not. And yes, i do study smart mobs, got my phd from Texas at Austin then moved to the east coast for a job.

[CosmicCowboy]

Correct. The people on the street were either arrested or detained. The people on the sidewalk were not. And yes, i do study smart mobs, got my phd from Texas at Austin then moved to the east coast for a job.

Who is funding the grant for the study?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'm not sure why CosmicCopsucker thinks that's hater's pic but it's not :lmao (I know this because I know who's pic it really is)

[Destro]

Who is funding the grant for the study?

Its not a grant, not all studies are grant funded, most aren't. My students are volunteers. Homeland Security gives me grant money for similar studies because of implications my work has on terrorism. The work isn't about th obvious "they use social media" its about how information travels through networks of people, where it centralizes, misinformation, disinformation, etc... OWS is an information war. In many ways the future of warfare, we need to understand how it works even on this kind of scale.

[CosmicCowboy]

double post

[CosmicCowboy]

Its not a grant, not all studies are grant funded, most aren't. My students are volunteers. Homeland Security gives me grant money for similar studies because of implications my work has on terrorism. The work isn't about th obvious "they use social media" its about how information travels through networks of people, where it centralizes, misinformation, disinformation, etc... OWS is an information war. In many ways the future of warfare, we need to understand how it works even on this kind of scale.


Uhhhhh OK. As a layman I suggest that studying how a bunch of spoiled predominately white hipsters use social media to organize doesn't really transfer directly to how terrorists or armies organize but I salute you that you were able to find a job in such an esoteric field...it would be hypocritical of me to criticize you for riding that golden government pony since I was one of that 47% that didn't pay taxes a couple of years ago because Obama wanted to give me dollar for dollar federal income tax credits to buy electric golf carts.

[Cry Havoc]

it would be hypocritical of me to criticize you

Yeah, good thing that you haven't criticized him.

[CosmicCowboy]

Yeah, good thing that you haven't criticized him.

You I criticize. You're just an ankle biting hack that contributes nothing of substance here.

[clambake]

You I criticize. You're just an ankle biting hack that contributes nothing of substance here.

so......thats what happened to your ankle.

[Destro]

Uhhhhh OK. As a layman s.

Exactly, of you course you don't understand, yet...

[LnGrrrR]

Uhhhhh OK. As a layman I suggest that studying how a bunch of spoiled predominately white hipsters use social media to organize doesn't really transfer directly to how terrorists or armies organize but I salute you that you were able to find a job in such an esoteric field...

One, I'm not sure why you think you know more about the applications of information travel through various forms of media than the person granting Destro the grant money.

Two, I'm not sure why you think that terrorists don't use some of the same methods of communication that hipsters use. Isn't there always an annual outcry about some website that supports terrorism, or websites that show how to make a bomb, etc etc?

Sure, armies organize differently, but I wouldn't say that the generic understanding of "army" wouldn't apply to terrorist cells.

[Cry Havoc]

One, I'm not sure why you think you know more about the applications of information travel through various forms of media than the person granting Destro the grant money.

Two, I'm not sure why you think that terrorists don't use some of the same methods of communication that hipsters use. Isn't there always an annual outcry about some website that supports terrorism, or websites that show how to make a bomb, etc etc?

Sure, armies organize differently, but I wouldn't say that the generic understanding of "army" wouldn't apply to terrorist cells.

It's just CC thinking he's smarter than everyone else. Nothing to see here.

[DarrinS]

Did anyone post the video of the brutality yet?

Will check back in tomorrow.

[Cry Havoc]

Did anyone post the video of the brutality yet?

Will check back in tomorrow.

It's funny when you don't read through threads, DarrinS.

[LnGrrrR]

ANYONE in the military that wears their uniform in public---WITHOUT an official reason is nothing but a fuckin' poseur....why the fuck would you?
Wear it to your duty station or only on a military base or to some function where you have been ORDERED TO....otherwise who are you trying to impress?

In the Air Force, we're allowed to make short errands in our uniform, and eat at establishments off-base where work attire is accepted (fast food, a quick trip to a store to pick something up, etc etc). Just clarifying.


this moron not have a civilian wardrobe? Why the fuck would he even wear that to a class? What a stupid poseur. If you are serving your country...there is absolutely no need to attempt to parade your uniform anywhere in public.

It depends where the class is. At times, i've had to go straight from work to my class off-base in uniform, even though technically it's not allowed by our regs.


If I was this moron's commanding officer and I saw this video...I would call that poseur into my office and tell him who the fuck does he think he is wearing his uniform out in public and making an ass out of the military? Is this idiot's political views the same views that the military shares? Because if you are out in public in uniform=====YOU ARE REPRESENTING THE MILITARY!!!!

The most important part, and well said. You certainly aren't allowed to wear your uniform while engaging in any sort of political event.

[silverblk mystix]

In the Air Force, we're allowed to make short errands in our uniform, and eat at establishments off-base where work attire is accepted (fast food, a quick trip to a store to pick something up, etc etc). Just clarifying.



It depends where the class is. At times, i've had to go straight from work to my class off-base in uniform, even though technically it's not allowed by our regs.



The most important part, and well said. You certainly aren't allowed to wear your uniform while engaging in any sort of political event.

Explain this to that idiot- Y.H.

[mavs>spurs]

I see people doing it literally all the time so you guys need to get some discipline if you're always breaking the rules and can't follow simple instructions.