View Full Version : Carson Palmer is a Raider
stretch
10-18-2011, 09:54 AM
season may not be lost after all... he should be able to put out comparable production to campbell. better pure passer, but not quite as mobile. ill definitely take it.
everyone just better be happy, because VY was also being considered
VY on the Raiders: NFL = f:lolcked
stretch
10-18-2011, 09:55 AM
http://rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/216987/raiders-acquire-carson-palmer-from-bengals
oh wtf
they gave up way toooo much
stretch
10-18-2011, 09:55 AM
fml
DUNCANownsKOBE
10-18-2011, 10:01 AM
He's an upgrade over Campbell (never been impressed by Campbell at all)
but yeah they gave up way too much
Trill Clinton
10-18-2011, 10:22 AM
Al Davis had a hand in this shit. This had to be in his Will:lol
stretch
10-18-2011, 10:49 AM
geez, i didnt realize he threw for about 4000 yards last year. mainly interceptions is what killed him, but the bengals sucked ass. he might do pretty solidly in Oakland, with plenty of downfield options at receiver, a good TE in Boss, and most of all, a great run game with D-Mac.
midnightpulp
10-18-2011, 11:03 AM
I'm cool with this pickup. Not really concerned about giving up the picks. I agree it was a bit too much, but I'm not really broken up about it. Rarely does a draft pick transform a franchise. There's more Rick Miners and Ryan Leafs than there are Peyton Mannings. The NFL draft is a big crap shoot, and with the Raiders unlikely to get a top 5 pick in the next two years since they've finally decided to stop sucking ass, I think the gamble is worth it.
lefty
10-18-2011, 11:20 AM
Jesus Christ. Did Oakland watch Palmer play last year?
That 1st better have some protections on it at least because a rusty Palmer could lead Oakland to 6-10.
Raiders don't have a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th if this goes down. Although they may get a compensatory 3rd.
stretch
10-18-2011, 11:31 AM
Jesus Christ. Did Oakland watch Palmer play last year?
That 1st better have some protections on it at least because a rusty Palmer could lead Oakland to 6-10.
Raiders don't have a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th if this goes down. Although they may get a compensatory 3rd.
he threw for about 4000 yards on a crummy team that he had no desire to play for whatsoever, and the year before that he somehow led them to the playoffs.
i agree they gave up too much, but he wasnt nearly as bad as it looks when considering all aspects.
lefty
10-18-2011, 11:35 AM
he threw for about 4000 yards on a crummy team that he had no desire to play for whatsoever, and the year before that he somehow led them to the playoffs.
i agree they gave up too much, but he wasnt nearly as bad as it looks when considering all aspects.
Yeah he wasnt on a very good team, true true
It will be interesting how the Raiders do with Palmer; I'm not a Raiders fan, but that jersey is badass, and it would be nice to see hem become contenders in a near future
DUNCANownsKOBE
10-18-2011, 11:40 AM
Palmer had to put up with T.O. and OchoCinco last season when both of them were washed up and still giving their teammates a sideshow and bullshit to deal with (and it was obvious Palmer was miserable from the beginning of last season to the end). He had maybe his best game of the year at the end of the season when both TO and OchoCinco were injured. With the injuries he'll never been 2005 Palmer again but he'll be a good QB in Oakland where there aren't any retarded personalities for him to deal with.
Way too much for Palmer. I guess the trend now is to overpay for a decent QB.
I wonder how long it takes for him to get into game shape.
IronMexican
10-18-2011, 11:47 AM
HOLY FUCK. I've been playing fifa all morning and missed this. Fuck yes.
IronMexican
10-18-2011, 11:48 AM
2 first rounders? Fucking kill me.
LnGrrrR
10-18-2011, 11:53 AM
2 first rounders? Fucking kill me.
My first thought. I figured they'd get him for a 2nd and 4th, MAYBE.
IronMexican
10-18-2011, 12:03 PM
I'm sure the conditional first is some crazy feat, though. Like maybe getting into the AFC Championship or Super Bowl.
1st rd pick in 2012.
AND
If they win a playoff game this yr, its a 2013 1st rd pick; it will be a second-round pick if they don't.
IronMexican
10-18-2011, 12:17 PM
I remember his stats being much better when TO was out last year, as well.
You guys are so fucking lame. We needed a QB, and we didnt waste no time at all. Palmer is a good QB. Would we have gotten a good QB in the draft... likely not. If he can get in shape I like our chances with this guy. Jason was just there trying not to lose the game. Now we have a guy that can actually win some games. Win for us.
Go back to the NBA forum and play with the other children there.
lefty
10-18-2011, 01:04 PM
You guys are so fucking lame. We needed a QB, and we didnt waste no time at all. Palmer is a good QB. Would we have gotten a good QB in the draft... likely not. If he can get in shape I like our chances with this guy. Jason was just there trying not to lose the game. Now we have a guy that can actually win some games. Win for us.
lol we
stretch
10-18-2011, 01:05 PM
lol lefty
lol thinking hes somewhat funny
lol faggot
lefty
10-18-2011, 01:15 PM
lol lefty
lol thinking hes somewhat funny
lol faggot
lol stretch
lol redneck
Jose Canseco
10-18-2011, 01:22 PM
Belichick should trade Ochocinco to the Raiders just to fuck with Palmer.
stretch
10-18-2011, 01:31 PM
lol stretch
lol redneck
lol lefty
lol too stupid to know the difference between a redneck and a chink
lefty
10-18-2011, 01:35 PM
lol lefty
lol too stupid to know the difference between a redneck and a chink
lol chink
LakerHater
10-18-2011, 05:08 PM
andrew brandt
detroit acquires ronnie brown
stretch
10-18-2011, 05:14 PM
The more I think about it, the happier I am the Raiders got Palmer. I have faith in Hue Jackson, and he has pushed several times for the Raiders to get him, and used to work with him. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't try to get him if he didn't feel he would be a good fit here.
Most everything Hue has done since coming to the Raiders has been gold, and I'm hoping it continues with Palmer.
Blake
10-18-2011, 05:23 PM
price seems a bit high, but all the pieces seemed to be there for the Raiders except QB.
They obviously think they have a Super Bowl shot this and maybe the next few years.
worth the gamble, imo.
san antonio spurs
10-18-2011, 06:10 PM
A 1st used for Carson Palmer
A 2nd to New England (Joseph Barksdale & Taiwan Jones)
A 3rd used forTerrelle Pryor
A 4th used for Jason Campbell
A 7th used for Aaron Curry
That's a very bad way to build a team. I understand the Raiders don't do well with their early picks anyway but that is 3 picks (4 if you add the 2013 2nd rounder) used on 3 Qbs who are all gambles.
Also this means that they think their window is now which is odd considering they are a relatively young team. They got trolled hard by Mike Brown of all people:lol
No one's really left out there anyway.
A lot of teams will really improve these next 2 years and Oakland doesnt seem to think they can afford the time to develop a QB and they want to jump ahead while everyone's still lull with the lockout.
Jose Canseco
10-18-2011, 06:33 PM
Not that big of a price imo. The ghost of Al Davis would make them use those first rounds picks (or 1st and 2nd rounders) on a place kicker and the fastest black guy at the combines anyway.
HarlemHeat37
10-18-2011, 08:45 PM
Terrible trade, tbh..
Palmer is slightly better than Campbell, not worth a 1st and a 2nd, a massive price to pay, for a team that relies on running the ball and controlling the lines of scrimmage..they could have potentially acquired an average QB for much less IMO..
ducks
10-19-2011, 12:20 AM
could have had the cardinals quarterback for that price
if az could draft
In what universe is Carson Palmer worth 2 first round picks? I'd say only about 2 or 3 guys in the league are worth that much, and even that's debatable.
Kirk Nowitzki
10-19-2011, 07:14 AM
Bengals get at LEAST a 1st and 2nd for a guy who went in front of the press and said he would never play for them again? That is certified Charlie Sheen-style winning right there folks.
stretch
10-19-2011, 11:01 AM
Apparently he will start on Sunday.
Also interesting is that last year, he was leading the league right alongside Peyton Manning for "least invited pressure", in that he was among the best in the NFL at checking down and getting rid of the ball before pressure could get to him. That should help the young O-line of the Raiders.
Expect Dmac to average 150 yds and 2 TDs in the next few weeks.
Blake
10-19-2011, 06:16 PM
Expect Dmac to average 150 yds and 2 TDs in the next few weeks.
right, because d coordinators will be expecting Palmer to pass often which will open running lanes all over the place.
So you'd rather have palmer get the ball and try to beat the other team even after not playing for months.
Great strategy, I'll use it on madden.
Blake
10-19-2011, 08:09 PM
So you'd rather have palmer get the ball and try to beat the other team even after not playing for months.
Great strategy, I'll use it on madden.
How many carries will dmc get this sunday?
IronMexican
10-19-2011, 08:13 PM
You guys have no idea how bad Boller looked this past Sunday.
A rusty Palmer is better than Boller.
How many carries will dmc get this sunday?
Id say 28 carries for 185 yds
4 receptions backfield / screen passes for 20 yds
2 tds.
stretch
10-20-2011, 10:54 AM
yeah, i think the fact that teams are selling out so hard to stop McFadden should make things a little easier for Palmer to get settled in. If he can throw the deep ball with any kind of accuracy, then defending play action is going to be a total bitch for KC. The Raiders consistently get guys open downfield off playaction, Campbell just could never get on target.
Blake
10-20-2011, 11:56 AM
Id say 28 carries for 185 yds
4 receptions backfield / screen passes for 20 yds
2 tds.
I'm betting they give him the rock less than 25 times. My guess is 21.
185 yards is highly possible though against KC.
Blake
10-20-2011, 11:57 AM
yeah, i think the fact that teams are selling out so hard to stop McFadden should make things a little easier for Palmer to get settled in. If he can throw the deep ball with any kind of accuracy, then defending play action is going to be a total bitch for KC. The Raiders consistently get guys open downfield off playaction, Campbell just could never get on target.
I wouldn't expect much from Palmer at all. I doubt he goes much over 200 yards if he hits 200 at all.
Might not go over 150.
stretch
10-20-2011, 12:24 PM
I wouldn't expect much from Palmer at all. I doubt he goes much over 200 yards if he hits 200 at all.
Might not go over 150.
I don't expect that much from him this week, but I think he should at least be able to hit a wide open guy over the middle from time to time off of play-action, or check down to McFadden/Boss when pressure is coming. With the dominant run game the Raiders have had, any passer should at least be able to some wide open throws.
DPG21920
10-20-2011, 01:19 PM
It was a good football move but unless they win a SB it was a bad business move. I expect Palmer to have decent stats, even this week.
stretch
10-20-2011, 01:40 PM
DPG, with absolutely nothing at all to offer
DPG21920
10-20-2011, 03:17 PM
Yea, he mad.
DPG21920
10-20-2011, 03:28 PM
Also quit acting butthurt in every thread it's annoying. I clowned you on ou/tu, let it go girl.
stretch
10-20-2011, 03:32 PM
:cry :cry :cry
Blake
10-20-2011, 05:48 PM
If jamastadon had led the raiders to the super bowl, it would have been a good pick, tbh
But he didn't so it was a bad pick.
DPG21920
10-20-2011, 06:23 PM
Except this is a go for it now type move. They feel they are competitive and paid a lot to try and remain that way.
IronMexican
10-23-2011, 03:15 PM
This is why Boller shouldn't have started.
midnightpulp
10-23-2011, 04:28 PM
This is why Boller shouldn't have started.
fml
Monostradamus
10-23-2011, 04:39 PM
Could Palmer do any worse than this? Just throw him in there.
DPG21920
10-23-2011, 04:42 PM
Doesn't matter. As soon as DMC went down, nothing matters.
What a disastrous turn of events for the Raiders.
Did they say how bad DMC's sprain is?
IronMexican
10-23-2011, 04:56 PM
About fucking time.
It's too late though. Hue is such a retard at times.
san antonio spurs
10-23-2011, 05:33 PM
Pick 6 machine. Just where he left of
san antonio spurs
10-23-2011, 05:45 PM
Traded for 2 picks, throws 2 picks in his first game. That's correlation right there
midnightpulp
10-23-2011, 06:00 PM
lol.
That's my analysis of this game.
HarlemHeat37
10-23-2011, 06:13 PM
:lol a 1st and a 2nd for an average QB..
DPG21920
10-23-2011, 06:23 PM
Stretch.
DUNCANownsKOBE
10-23-2011, 06:24 PM
Stretch.
Hey, whats up man!
DPG21920
10-23-2011, 06:28 PM
Hey!
DUNCANownsKOBE
10-23-2011, 06:28 PM
We have this new Mavs forum!
UT 31, OU 26
Good to hear from you man!
DPG21920
10-23-2011, 06:32 PM
Analysis!
IronMexican
10-23-2011, 07:26 PM
Yeah, didn't like the trade. Let's just hope the Raiders can make the best of this.
Monostradamus
10-23-2011, 07:30 PM
:lmao this nigga hasn't played football in over a year, has been with the franchise for only a few days, has almost zero practice time logged with his receivers, and after one half of bad football that EVERYONE EXPECTED TO BE BAD, people are reacting like this? You guys are fucking retarded.
Palmer will be fine. I don't think anybody expected him to jump in and be Johnny Unitas immediately, so why have such a knee jerk reaction when he naturally sucks on day 1?
midnightpulp
10-23-2011, 07:33 PM
:lmao this nigga hasn't played football in over a year, has been with the franchise for only a few days, has almost zero practice time logged with his receivers, and after one half of bad football that EVERYONE EXPECTED TO BE BAD, people are reacting like this? You guys are fucking retarded.
Palmer will be fine. I don't think anybody expected him to jump in and be Johnny Unitas immediately, so why have such a knee jerk reaction when he naturally sucks on day 1?
:tu
DPG21920
10-23-2011, 07:57 PM
TBH, it doesn't matter now if DMC misses any time.
IronMexican
10-23-2011, 07:57 PM
:lmao this nigga hasn't played football in over a year, has been with the franchise for only a few days, has almost zero practice time logged with his receivers, and after one half of bad football that EVERYONE EXPECTED TO BE BAD, people are reacting like this? You guys are fucking retarded.
Palmer will be fine. I don't think anybody expected him to jump in and be Johnny Unitas immediately, so why have such a knee jerk reaction when he naturally sucks on day 1?
He'll never be worth two first round picks, though. Not unless the Raiders can win a Super Bowl. There's about 10 QB's easily better than him, so I don't see that.
Heyward Bey looks good, though. The rest of the WR's looks bad.
Monostradamus
10-23-2011, 07:59 PM
He'll never be worth two first round picks, though.
I don't know anybody that thinks he was worth that. But to act like Palmer is a disaster after one half of shitty football is asinine.
IronMexican
10-23-2011, 08:01 PM
I can't see him doing much better this season. He wont play as good as Campbell this season, and Campbell pissed me off at times. The Raiders might make noise next year, but this is another 8-8 season in the waiting.
Monostradamus
10-23-2011, 08:05 PM
I can't see him doing much better this season.
You can't see him doing better than a QB rating of 17? Really?????
IronMexican
10-23-2011, 08:15 PM
You can't see him doing better than a QB rating of 17? Really?????
I meant much better than Campbell tbh. I actually don't think he will do anywhere near as well as Campbell would have if he finished out the season. I would love for him to prove me wrong, though.
DUNCANownsKOBE
10-23-2011, 08:41 PM
Campbell is a black. He'll never amount to anything.
Veterinarian.
10-23-2011, 11:09 PM
Campbell is a black. He'll never amount to anything.
:lol
4>0rings
10-24-2011, 12:52 AM
I don't know anybody that thinks he was worth that. But to act like Palmer is a disaster after one half of shitty football is asinine.
The reason they gave up 2 picks for this faggot was to try and win something, anything... right now. They could of gave up and tried to sign a QB next year but they wanted to try and get to the playoffs now. Palmer better produce now, that's why they got him.
stretch
10-24-2011, 10:37 AM
what a disaster
thank goodness for a bye week
about the only good note is that DHB is looking like he is really developing into a nice WR finally. but they can't possibly be any worse than they were. Hopefully DMac isnt too badly injured...
stretch
10-24-2011, 10:50 AM
http://www.raiders.ninjagoro.com/2011/10/carson-palmers-throws-vs-chiefs/
just got through watching this
i see exponentially more potential than what Campbell brought. Palmer's day wasn't nearly as bad as his statline showed. the 1st pick was a throw that shouldn't have been made, plus Flowers seemed to sniff it out from the get-go and knew exactly what was coming. Palmer should have known better. the second pick was a little behind Moore, but wasn't entirely Palmers fault either. the third pick looked like Murphy ran his route wrong.
but he did a GREAT job of getting rid the the ball and finding the open man. of course timing was off with his receivers, so he missed them several times, but not by much, but the encouraging thing was to see him make a quick, correct read and get rid of the ball, something Campbell was not great at doing, often holding onto the ball too long, and just resorting to checking down to the HB, instead of finding the weakness in coverage and exploiting it. he also threw with some great accuracy, hitting tight windows several times. he already seems to be gelling well with DHB, which is great. and Murph needs to GTFO, he has worse hands than TO on a bad day.
considering he had less than a week of practice, there is plenty of good to take from this. its not nearly as bad as ironbeaner says. they MAY still have a shot at the playoffs, but i think by next season, there is no reason (barring injury), that this team shouldn't be able to make the playoffs.
also, i heard Aaron Curry looked good, but i probably shouldn't ask IM about his thoughts, because unless he forces 4 fumbles and gets 2 INTs, then he probably blows ass as well.
lefty
10-24-2011, 10:53 AM
Raiders :lmao
Blake
10-24-2011, 11:17 AM
Expect Dmac to average 150 yds and 2 TDs in the next few weeks.
doh
HarlemHeat37
10-24-2011, 11:18 AM
:lol only Stretch could spin that performance, tbh..
stretch
10-24-2011, 11:43 AM
:lol only Stretch could spin that performance, tbh..
hi timmytozo
stretch
10-24-2011, 11:44 AM
and i never said he was great, just that i definitely see potential for him to be a solid QB. and that two of the picks werent really his fault, one the WR dropped it and tipped it up into the air like a moron, the other was because Louis Murphy was afraid of the big hit, stopped running, and it went right to the safety, even though Murphy would have been able to make the catch no problem at all.
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