View Full Version : Could Dirk Have Played In The 80's
Koolaid_Man
10-18-2011, 05:34 PM
ok...remove McHale and put Dirk on Bird's 80's teams and I think the Celtics win zero rings. Let's face it Dirk can't rebound or play defense in any capacity.The 80's would have killed the poor dude...:lol The 3 most important stats for a PF are Rebounds, Blocks, and PPG.
Dirk is decent in scoring but that's it. He's not good enough to take touches away from Bird and he certainly is a defensive liability. He would have gotten crushed by Magic's Lakers and absolutely pummeled by Zeke's Pistons...dude is like Durant, he only wants to shoot the ball he doesn't give a shit about other facets of the game. :lol
The true measure of a player is whether they could have played in different era's...same for Timmy no way he could stand the brutal play of the 80's he'd go home crying back to the Islands...not saying they wouldn't have scored but they literally would have gotten their asses kicked since they're soft players. You think Malone knocking David Robinson out was harsh...it would have been a disaster...I get goose bumps just thinking about those guys playing in the 80's...:lol
give me Moses Malone over these two cats any day...
Can you imagine Dirk or Timmy taking a hit like this and still wanting to play..
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baseline bum
10-18-2011, 06:06 PM
Nah, he was too young.
swap kobe for pippen and the bulls would've won no ring at all
lefty
10-18-2011, 08:06 PM
Man
The things he would have done to the Lakers :lol
Dirk+Aguirre+Donaldson+Tarpley+Harper+Blackman
88 sweep :lol
pass1st
10-18-2011, 08:19 PM
80s were pretty damn physical compared to the 90s and today. Dirk is a physically soft player; he's an offensive machine, but relishes in the fact that shooting fouls are easy to commit these days and he's a fucking 7ft fadeaway machine. Wouldn't fly if they put Hakeem, Sampson, Robinson or Ewing on him.
He was blessed to be in this era.
lefty
10-18-2011, 08:21 PM
80s were pretty damn physical compared to the 90s and today. Dirk is a physically soft player; he's an offensive machine, but relishes in the fact that shooting fouls are easy to commit these days and he's a fucking 7ft fadeaway machine. Wouldn't fly if they put Hakeem, Sampson, Robinson or Ewing on him.
He was blessed to be in this era.
TBH, all today's players are blessed to be in this era
Monostradamus
10-18-2011, 08:22 PM
Dirk can't rebound or play defense in any capacity.
Sounds like he'd have been a perfect fit for 80's era NBA ball.
Monostradamus
10-18-2011, 08:25 PM
80s were pretty damn physical compared to the 90s and today. Dirk is a physically soft player; he's an offensive machine, but relishes in the fact that shooting fouls are easy to commit these days and he's a fucking 7ft fadeaway machine. Wouldn't fly if they put Hakeem, Sampson, Robinson or Ewing on him.
He was blessed to be in this era.
A slow 6'8 guard who can't jump could never dominate in today's NBA either. Magic was blessed to be in his era.
Koolaid_Man
10-18-2011, 08:37 PM
swap kobe for pippen and the bulls would've won no ring at all
yeah because we all know how those migranes would have affected Kobe...:lol
Giuseppe
10-18-2011, 08:39 PM
^ Kevin
pass1st
10-18-2011, 08:40 PM
A slow 6'8 guard who can't jump could never dominate in today's NBA either. Magic was blessed to be in his era.
I would expect a Maverick fan to understand the value of a PG who has size and body control coupled with extremely keen court vision. Along with a high b-ball IQ, people like that (magic & kidd) are extremely rare and valuable in the NBA. Perhaps you should study different player types and gain insight on the value and disadvantages they hold.
As for Magic, you didn't really state any of his disadvantages. He was everything, except a player that could carry a team (IE Dirk, Jordan, Kobe, etc). The only thing that really makes him a big question mark in his overall ranking in greatest players of all time.
pass1st
10-18-2011, 08:42 PM
TBH, all today's players are blessed to be in this era
Not Dwight or other foul magnets.
LkrFan
10-18-2011, 08:51 PM
In two words: Hell No. Like you said he too soft. As far as Merlin, I've been saying for years he is Brad Daughterty at best if he played in the '80s.
I think there are only two players in today's NBA that could play in the '80s and still be a star: Kobe and Wade - that's it. Kobe for obvious reasons, Wade because of his physical style of play. I think he mentally could hang with the physical style that happened during that era. I don't think LBJ would cut it because despite being a physical specimen, he is allergic to post play. He can't use his size to overpower people in that era because they would be able to dish it back without repercussions. I don't think he could stand it.
Koolaid_Man
10-18-2011, 08:57 PM
In two words: Hell No. Like you said he too soft. As far as Merlin, I've been saying for years he is Brad Daughterty at best if he played in the '80s.
I think there are only two players in today's NBA that could play in the '80s and still be a star: Kobe and Wade - that's it. Kobe for obvious reasons, Wade because of his physical style of play. I think he mentally could hang with the physical style that happened during that era. I don't think LBJ would cut it because despite being a physical specimen, he is allergic to post play. He can't use his size to overpower people in that era because they would be able to dish it back without repercussions. I don't think he could stand it.
:lol that's some real shit...Laker fanz alwayz brang da gudz....
Findog
10-18-2011, 09:01 PM
80s were pretty damn physical compared to the 90s and today. Dirk is a physically soft player; he's an offensive machine, but relishes in the fact that shooting fouls are easy to commit these days and he's a fucking 7ft fadeaway machine. Wouldn't fly if they put Hakeem, Sampson, Robinson or Ewing on him.
He was blessed to be in this era.
Dirk is physically tough. You do realize he got his teeth knocked out by Karl Malone in a playoff game once and kept playing, right? So much of Dirk's development was going to an organization and a coach that believed in him when he was a malleable 19 year old. Who knows what would have happened if it had gone to a shit organization that didn't prioritize developing his game?
If he had been drafted into a good situation in the Showtime Era, he would've been fine.
pass1st
10-18-2011, 09:39 PM
Dirk is physically tough. You do realize he got his teeth knocked out by Karl Malone in a playoff game once and kept playing, right? So much of Dirk's development was going to an organization and a coach that believed in him when he was a malleable 19 year old. Who knows what would have happened if it had gone to a shit organization that didn't prioritize developing his game?
If he had been drafted into a good situation in the Showtime Era, he would've been fine.
Different toughness. I mean it in a literal sense. Players of that era took major beatings in the paint day by day, game by game and he wouldn't have his way in the parameter with players able to put a body on him like they were accustomed to. Getting your teeth knocked out and keeping on playing doesn't equate to taking hits and not losing performance over time.
Not knocking Dirk, he just isn't the kind of player that would be great in the 80s. No bias intended, I doubt Kobe would fit in too well either. This era is pampered with preemptive foul calls.
Axe Murderer
10-18-2011, 09:56 PM
crofl another fail by the OP. should've just said 90's instead of talking out your ass
there was practically no defense in the 80's
lefty
10-18-2011, 10:24 PM
crofl another fail by the OP. should've just said 90's instead of talking out your ass
there was practically no defense in the 80's
There was but the refs let them play
And there was handchecking back then
Defense today consists largely of positioning on the court. If you can get to a spot before the guy with the ball gets there, you can claim it and he gets a foul called for running over you, since his momentum will not allow him to stop.
It's got little to do with the defense of the prior decades. Back then they would open your head up if you ran the lane too many times. Someone would put a lick on you and they might get tossed, but you were probably done as well.
These days people get suspended from crucial games for standing up and taking a step forward during a court scuffle. People get technical fouls for smiling or clapping their hands.
It's not the same.
DJ Mbenga
10-18-2011, 10:48 PM
as he is now he could have played and more than held his own. the problem with that is nobody starts out in their prime. dirk was a project and as a project in the 80s he would have been eaten alive and would have struggled to develop other than as a specialist. at best a foward danny ainge.
Giuseppe
10-18-2011, 10:52 PM
These days people get suspended from crucial games for standing up and taking a step forward during a court scuffle.
The shit bag Vs Phoenix withstanding.
tee, hee.
mavs>spurs
10-18-2011, 11:00 PM
sure he could. he would have just picked up a ball and played like anyone else tbh.
Axe Murderer
10-18-2011, 11:02 PM
There was but the refs let them play
And there was handchecking back then
True, he wouldn't get as many free throws obviously, but there's still nobody in the 80's who's gonna stop a 7 foot jump shooter
The shit bag Vs Phoenix withstanding.
tee, hee.
I was referring to the Phoenix game. Thanks for being redundant par per Cul quid pro quo.
Giuseppe
10-18-2011, 11:39 PM
I was referring to the Phoenix game. Thanks for being redundant par per Cul quid pro quo.
Then that's what you should have said. I said it.
You make a swell fart catcher, D.
Then that's what you should have said. I said it.
You make a swell fart catcher, D.
No, you old goat fucker. You're the special person in the room who repeats the comment in a different way, as if you had something to add by just saying the same thing.
Me: Then they toss a player for laughing while sitting on the bench
You: Shit bag was tossed. tee,hee
Everyone else just filters it.
Get used to it. It's part of turning into dust.
midnightpulp
10-19-2011, 12:33 AM
Too many morons, like Kool and Lkrfan, who have been weened on 80s NBA highlights showcasing its "physical" play like McHale taking Rambis's head off, Parish knocking out Laimbeer, or the Bad Boys repeatedly sending Jordan to the floor, mistakenly believe that the 80s was some transcendent era of toughness. When you actually watch the games, however, you discover just how fuckin' apathetic teams were on defense.
The league wide FG% in 1985 was .491, as compared to .459 today. Granted, teams took way less 3 point shots back then, but that also reinforces my point. Today, 3 point shooting is an absolutely crucial component to any offense, needed to spread the floor and open up the inside. Back then, teams didn't employ 3 point shooting as much because they were likely to get a high percentage shot running their regular offense. Besides traps, double teams were hardly used, there weren't many "specialized" perimeter and interior defenders, and teams looked to out score their opponent rather than shut them down. It was indeed an era where "offense wins championships."
Why do you think the NBA instituted all these rule changes to increase scoring? Because defense got too fuckin' good.
Anyhow, I never saw a point in comparing the 80s to today. In my mind, the time span is still the modern era, and any great player from then would excel in today's game and vice versa.
Giuseppe
10-19-2011, 12:34 AM
(this is addressed to DMC) Horseshit. If you've got something to say--say it. Don't come around after I've said it and try and horn in.
Uh, uh.
midnightpulp
10-19-2011, 12:43 AM
In two words: Hell No. Like you said he too soft. As far as Merlin, I've been saying for years he is Brad Daughterty at best if he played in the '80s.
I think there are only two players in today's NBA that could play in the '80s and still be a star: Kobe and Wade - that's it. Kobe for obvious reasons, Wade because of his physical style of play. I think he mentally could hang with the physical style that happened during that era. I don't think LBJ would cut it because despite being a physical specimen, he is allergic to post play. He can't use his size to overpower people in that era because they would be able to dish it back without repercussions. I don't think he could stand it.
If this skinny cat, who was a finesse player, could dominate the league in scoring in the 80s, Lebron and his 6' 8" 260 frame would have no problem. Post game not even needed.
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lefty
10-19-2011, 12:43 AM
Midnight,
Not because the D has gotten so fucking good
Because today you have less skilled and fundamuntally sound players
The main culprit would be more players skipping or finishing college
Also, everybody wants to be the next Michael Jordan
Mike made it look too easy, but a lot of young kids do not realize the amount of work MJ put into his game
He had great fundamentals; if the Bulls won a game on a Saturday night, Mike eould be at the gum as early as 8:00 the next morning
Also, if you watch an 80s game, even a PF scrub could hit the midrange jumpshot consistently ( ok not everybody shot the ball well, lol Darell Dawkins or Wilkes)
Today, we cringe when most big men are on the FT line
midnightpulp
10-19-2011, 12:50 AM
Midnight,
Not because the D has gotten so fucking good
Because today you have less skilled and fundamuntally sound players
The main culprit would be more players skipping or finishing college
Also, everybody wants to be the next Michael Jordan
Mike made it look too easy, but a lot of young kids do not realize the amount of work MJ put into his game
He had great fundamentals; if the Bulls won a game on a Saturday night, Mike eould be at the gum as early as 8:00 the next morning
Also, if you watch an 80s game, even a PF scrub could hit the midrange jumpshot ( ok not everybody shot the ball well, lol Darell Dawkins or Wilkes)
Today, we cringe when most big men are on the FT line
Fundamentals have declined, sure, but not to the point where it would be responsible for the massive drop off in scoring from then to now. Defenses are way more sophisticated today. Look how long it takes a new Spurs' player to learn Pop's defense. Back then, it was man-to-man, hope other team misses, grab rebound, get out on the break.
And half the time, players weren't even guarded on those mid-range shots. When I watch an 80s game, I often laugh at just how bad defense was. It's not an indictment of the era, mind you, it was just the mentality coaches and players had back then.
ElNono
10-19-2011, 01:50 AM
How do you know these things. You didnt get electricity in your country untill after 911, and we're subsidizing that. Mike would never discuss his workout plans with someone like you. Besides, Kobe gets in right after the game, not the next morning.
tbh, I didn't know Pakistan was subsidizing Algeria... :lol
endrity
10-19-2011, 06:40 AM
Is this for real? The 80s were a no-defense era. Sure, there were some dirty hits on players at times, but we all know that playing through pain has never been a Dirk problem. Even Skipp Bayless admitted to that during the NBA Finals. If anything Dirk would have ruled that era, especially as teams were just starting to adjust to the 3 pointer.
But, as the saying goes, don't feed the troll, which is what this weak attempt is.
lefty
10-19-2011, 06:41 AM
How do you know these things. You didnt get electricity in your country untill after 911, and we're subsidizing that. Mike would never discuss his workout plans with someone like you. Besides, Kobe gets in right after the game, not the next morning.
Lol stinky paki
Lol kobe trying hard
Narutaluvah....
Koolaid_Man
10-19-2011, 06:46 AM
Is this for real? The 80s were a no-defense era. Sure, there were some dirty hits on players at times, but we all know that playing through pain has never been a Dirk problem. Even Skipp Bayless admitted to that during the NBA Finals. If anything Dirk would have ruled that era, especially as teams were just starting to adjust to the 3 pointer.
But, as the saying goes, don't feed the troll, which is what this weak attempt is.
Didn't clean your meth pipe out las night I see...
endrity
10-19-2011, 08:08 AM
Didn't clean your meth pipe out las night I see...
Nope, but I did manage to take my blu and gold glasses off.
hater
10-19-2011, 09:37 AM
Dirk would have kicked ass. My mavs would have still swept the Lakers. next.
How do you know these things. You didnt get electricity in your country untill after 911, and we're subsidizing that. Mike would never discuss his workout plans with someone like you. Besides, Kobe gets in right after the game, not the next morning.
:lmao
Sorry Lefty, that's pretty fucked up.
On a serious, more somber note, Kobe routinely missed practices because he's too good to attend them.
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