M$M Cuts Oakland OWS Live feed to avoid showing....

[leemajors]

Wild Cunt

[Wild Cobra]

The number of wounded ex-marines probably don't even fill up the Superdome. It can't be that bad.
I thought there was no such thing as an ex-marine...

[MannyIsGod]

I"m just never going to respond to a WC post again. If he's a troll then its the appropriate thing to do and if he's not a troll then there's no sense in arguing with someone who's that much of a hack anyway.

Goodbye, WC!

[Nbadan]

A storm is coming...

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[4>0rings]

WC never served, stop with that BS.

[Nbadan]

Mass arrests of peaceful protesters imminent in Portland tonight

http://www.occupystream.com/

Cops are expected to move in at any second...

[Wild Cobra]

Mass arrests of peaceful protesters imminent in Portland tonight

http://www.occupystream.com/

Cops are expected to move in at any second...
As they should.

Listen to that noise, as people are trying to sleep.

Their activity has gone to illegal.

[Wild Cobra]

Someone said the Mayor is there. I'll bet if he is, he will tell them they will be arrested if they don't quiet down.

From the stream chat:

TELL THEM TO SIT DOWN IN SILENCE SO THEY AREN"T DISTURBING THE PEACE, AND THERE IS NO REASON TO ARREST

[Cry Havoc]

http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/10/10756/11014577.jpg

[Wild Cobra]

The mayor went right up to them and talked, and was on the life feed. They are going to force the mayors hand to have them arrested. They aren't stopping as the Mayor asked. People in the residents on all four sides of the park are trying to sleep. They are disturbing the peace.

[Wild Cobra]

The buildings all around the park have businesses on the first floor, but are apartments on the upper floors. How many hundreds, maybe thousands of people are being kept awake?

Google Maps: Jamison Square (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=jamison+square+portland+or&ll=45.529148,-122.681199&spn=0.004539,0.005992&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&fb=1&gl=us&hq=jamison+square+portland+or&hnear=jamison+square+portland+or&cid=0,0,5075006432120194648&t=h&vpsrc=6&z=18)

[Cry Havoc]

ILLEGAL

THEIR ACTiVITY

[Nbadan]

Arrests begin in Austin....

http://www.occupystream.com/

[Wild Cobra]

Occupy Portland protesters march to Pearl District (http://www.katu.com/news/local/132859558.html)

[4>0rings]

WC would of been a loyalist in 1776

[Wild Cobra]

WC would of been a loyalist in 1776
If you wish to believe that. Not worth me taking the time to enlighten you.

[ChumpDumper]

WC would have fellated the dictator of Libya for 40 "strait" years if he had the chance.

[DMC]

Occupy Oakland? Didn't they do that after the Rodney King verdict as well?

Let them occupy all they want. Sell them hotdogs and shirts. Might make up for the NBA lockout especially if they televise the brutality.

[Nbadan]

Looks like these people are ready to give up cause it's cold outside..

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Blue_In_AK/OccupyAnchorage10-29-11038.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Blue_In_AK/OccupyAnchorage10-29-11020.jpg

occupy Anchorage! (just above freezing)

...eighth day of 24/7 occupation...


The organizers are in negotiations with the city now for a permanent place to occupy and camp during the winter, hopefully on the Delaney Park Strip which is visible to all entering downtown from the Minnesota Bypass (for those of you familiar with Anchorage). The only sticking point seems to be a requirement for liability insurance to absolve the city from any responsibility for the safety of protesters. Of course, no local insurance companies want to issue such a policy, so we'll see if the city will waive that requirement. If not, the GA has agreed to civil disobedience. If the mayor is smart (which is doubtful), he won't let it come to that.

While the group seems small, there have been many different participants over the four weeks, so in total we've had a good turnout, plus support from passing motorists. We were told that over 1,000 people are following Occupy Anchorage's live stream, which is pretty remarkable.

Northern Village (http://northernvisions.smugmug.com/Politics/Occupy-Anchorage/Occupy-Anchorage-10-29-11/19816194_kcJ8Fx#1557616415_GmcqT29)

[Nbadan]

meanwhile in Denver..

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2011/1029/20111029__102911_OCCUPY_CFW~p1.jpg
http://www.9news.com/images/640/360/2/assetpool/images/111029064829_Still1029_00000.jpg
http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/10/29/111029-Occupy_Denver-130769911_620x350.jpg
Police raise weapons while making an arrest during the Occupy Denver protest in Denver
on Saturday. (Craig F. Walker, The Denver Post)

7 Occupy Denver protesters arrested, some pepper sprayed

Sources: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19223274
http://www.9news.com/news/article/227022/339/Some-Occupy-Denver-protesters-arrested-pepper-sprayed

[Nbadan]

some of these situations can be very tense...the last thing we need are firearms...

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Spread the truth, not hate.

[ChumpDumper]

meanwhile in Denver..

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2011/1029/20111029__102911_OCCUPY_CFW~p1.jpg
http://www.9news.com/images/640/360/2/assetpool/images/111029064829_Still1029_00000.jpg
http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/10/29/111029-Occupy_Denver-130769911_620x350.jpg
Police raise weapons while making an arrest during the Occupy Denver protest in Denver
on Saturday. (Craig F. Walker, The Denver Post)

7 Occupy Denver protesters arrested, some pepper sprayed

Sources: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19223274
http://www.9news.com/news/article/227022/339/Some-Occupy-Denver-protesters-arrested-pepper-sprayedMainstream media.

[Drachen]

mainstream media.

doh!

[Nbadan]

doh!

:rolleyes

chumpy is just butt-hurt because I won't touch the 9/11 thread right now...

[ChumpDumper]

:rolleyes

chumpy is just butt-hurt because I won't touch the 9/11 thread right now...Not at all.

You never touch any 9/11 thread with any of your own thoughts or theory.

And you never will.

I'm rather enjoying your continued self-ownage here.

[Nbadan]

Not at all.

You never touch any 9/11 thread with any of your own thoughts or theory.

And you never will.

I'm rather enjoying your continued self-ownage here.

If I have been owned, then so have you...

[ChumpDumper]

If I have been owned, then so have you...:lmao

I don't think you even know how you owned yourself.

[ChuckD]

WC would of been a loyalist in 1776


If you wish to believe that. Not worth me taking the time to enlighten you.

WC, you are completely self-blind if you don't see that your standard response is to lock step reflexively support authority. That would have put you squarely in the loyalist camp in 1776.

[Nbadan]

:lmao

I don't think you even know how you owned yourself.

...ditto..

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Chump all you have to do is point out how the 'conservatives' claims of the 'liberal media' are the exact same argument and have the exact same amount of validity. You don't need to go on and on about it when hes let it drop.

[Wild Cobra]

WC, you are completely self-blind if you don't see that your standard response is to lock step reflexively support authority. That would have put you squarely in the loyalist camp in 1776.
Maybe that's all your confirmation bias sees.

[Nbadan]

Chump all you have to do is point out how the 'conservatives' claims of the 'liberal media' are the exact same argument and have the exact same amount of validity. You don't need to go on and on about it when hes let it drop.

I stand by my point. the M$M stopped filming the Oakland police raid when they were asked by the police....Chumpy hasn't done anything to prove this point was wrong, and all the proof I have posted has reinforced my point...

.....Where is the proof? Where is the video of protestors throwing rocks and bottles at police from the M$M....there is none because they weren't there....

[Nbadan]

I think FuzzyLumpkins has confirmation bias...

[Nbadan]

In some of the videos I posted from the occupy movement, you can see tons of news vans in the area as people are running from the teargas....yet not one source from the M$M managed to film the attack on the ground....

....and Chumpy is right?

:lmao

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Maybe that's all your confirmation bias sees.

You don't understand how to apply the argument. Its so cute watching you read things and misapply them. You are really really dumb.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

In some of the videos I posted from the occupy movement, you can see tons of news vans in the area as people are running from the teargas....yet not one source from the M$M managed to film the attack on the ground....

....and Chumpy is right?

:lmao

I have only seen the media report that the police claimed that. I have never seen them claim it independently. Could be wrong. My point is that the so called conservatives claim the media is biased against them too. Its the exact same tactic and its weak.

Furthermore, while you firmly have your democrat pom poms out trying to coopt this movement to your notion of liberal. They don't support your Obama dick sucking either.

[Nbadan]

I have only seen the media report that the police claimed that. I have never seen them claim it independently. Could be wrong. My point is that the so called conservatives claim the media is biased against them too. Its the exact same tactic and its weak.

What a better way to muddy-the-water, if a wing-nut is claiming media bias, it probably is weak, but you still haven't shown me the M$M videos of the Oakland attacks on the ground or of protestors throwing rocks and bottles at police....that to me speaks louder than words...

[Nbadan]

Furthermore, while you firmly have your democrat pom poms out trying to coopt this movement to your notion of liberal. They don't support your Obama dick sucking either.

....it may seem like liberal bias to you, but to me it's the truth....

....the fact you'd rather argue about my supposed bias than about what I am posting says more about you...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What a better way to muddy-the-water, if a wing-nut is claiming media bias, it probably is weak, but you still haven't shown me the M$M videos of the Oakland attacks on the ground or of protestors throwing rocks and bottles at police....that to me speaks louder than words...


....it may seem like liberal bias to you, but to me it's the truth....

....the fact you'd rather argue about my supposed bias than about what I am posting says more about you...

The first quote was a direct response to what you wrote. its weak when it comes from either side. I just said I see reports that the protesters allegedly did that but no confirmation whatsoever. i may be wrong but if you want to put on the tin foil hat and claim that all of the thousands of media outlets are coopted then i am going to have to say you are completely full of shit.

[Nbadan]

all of the thousands of media outlets are coopted then i am going to have to say you are completely full of shit.

what thousands of media outlets...most people get their news from ABC, CBS, NBC or Faux....and they have all been co-opted by the same group that has co-opted our government....playing the conspiracy hat....yeah, that's new...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

what thousands of media outlets...most people get their news from ABC, CBS, NBC or Faux....and they have all been co-opted by the same group that has co-opted our government....playing the conspiracy hat....yeah, that's new...

So exactly who has co-opted them?

[Nbadan]

So exactly who has co-opted them?

Not who, but what....greed, power, influence and access

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[Nbadan]

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web05/2011/10/18/11/enhanced-buzz-21736-1318953532-34.jpg

[Nbadan]

Rocks and bottles

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[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not who, but what....greed, power, influence and access

HFvT_qEZJf8

Oh so now human emotions have personified into independent acting entities?

I can go with ideas like Murdoch dominating Fox News and much of the eastern US paper press. I could even go with GE and Westinghouse having obvious desires on energy policy however i do not buy that Turner, Disney, Viacomm, Google, AP etc all collude to not show coverage of OWS.

Its stupid to make blanket comments like that when you have zero evidence. Its not a mystery who the PACs are where they are located etc. Its very clear where the problem is and what needs to be adjusted.

There are conspiracies amongst individuals. There are not conspiracies amongst ALL individuals. You just make yourself seem like you need a roll of reynolds wrap.

[Nbadan]

Its stupid to make blanket comments like that when you have zero evidence

The videos are all the evidence I need....no M$M.....police firing on people...

where is your evidence again?

[Nbadan]

There are conspiracies amongst individuals. There are not conspiracies amongst ALL individuals. You just make yourself seem like you need a roll of reynolds wrap.

....it doesn't take ALL individuals...just a few powerful individuals with influence....

[Nbadan]

Big trouble in little Oakland..

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police clash with police..

[Wild Cobra]

They trespass on private property, and are stupid enough to think the police won't respond?

[Cry Havoc]

They trespass on private property, and are stupid enough to think the police won't respond?

Even if you are right, the appropriate response to trespassing is tear gas, rubber bullets, and riot police. Got it. That makes a lot of sense. Totally fine use of taxpayer money.

[Wild Cobra]

Even if you are right, the appropriate response to trespassing is tear gas, rubber bullets, and riot police. Got it. That makes a lot of sense. Totally fine use of taxpayer money.
What level of force to you think is appropriate when they don't follow instructions?

[ChumpDumper]

What level of force to you think is appropriate when they don't follow instructions?Try cuffing them and taking them in first.

[Wild Cobra]

Try cuffing them and taking them in first.
And at the first sign of attack?

[Cry Havoc]

And at the first sign of attack?

Oh, gee, I don't know, cuffing and dragging in the person who's attacking?

Let's see, you have 3000 people protesting and 15 people being violent. Do you really think the best solution is to tear gas and attack THE ENTIRE CROWD? If you have a purse snatcher rob someone in Times Square, do you move in with 500 mounted units and start macing everyone to make sure that order is maintained?

[Wild Cobra]

Oh, gee, I don't know, cuffing and dragging the person who's attacking in?

Let's see, you have 3000 people protesting and 15 people being violent. Do you really think the best solution is to tear gas and attack THE ENTIRE CROWD?
I wasn't there. Were you?

Was there a video that shows the incident well enough, or are these accounts that may not be in context?

I'm sorry, maybe it is a little overkill, but dammit. I have no sympathy for a thuggish gang type mentality, which this has become with some of these people. In large numbers, they represent a threat. Just yesterday, a protester pushed a bicycle cop into a moving bus here in Portland. Yes, he was injured. The police do not know who is and isn't a threat, and must consider 1 in 15 the threat, and take no chances.

I say fuck the protesters if they can't keep their own in check.

[ChumpDumper]

And at the first sign of attack?Arrest the attackers who showed signs of attack.

[Wild Cobra]

Arrest the attackers who showed signs of attack.
Arrest all of them for trespass if they don't move out.

Really now. How did they get inside the property? break a window? break a door or lock?

[ChumpDumper]

Arrest all of them for trespass if they don't move out.Yes.


Really now. How did they get inside the property? break a window? break a door or lock?Doesn't really matter at that point.

[Wild Cobra]

Chump...

Do you understand the tactical dangers of going inside a building under someone elses control, who may be dangerous?

I say tear gas was appropriate. Too easy to get ambushed by simply going in to move them out.

[ChumpDumper]

Chump...

Do you understand the tactical dangers of going inside a building under someone elses control, who may be dangerous?

I say tear gas was appropriate. Too easy to get ambushed by simply going in to move them out.What are those tactical dangers?

lol ambush

This isn't the Viet Cong, Rambo.

[Wild Cobra]

What are those tactical dangers?

lol ambush

This isn't the Viet Cong, Rambo.
As far as I know, it is a standard tactic when a group disobeys a lawful police order.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

[ChumpDumper]

As far as I know, it is a standard tactic when a group disobeys a lawful police order.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.Of course it is a tactic.

It's not the only tactic.

You have a closed mind.

[Wild Cobra]

Of course it is a tactic.

It's not the only tactic.

You have a closed mind.
What are the other options when held up in a building?

[ChumpDumper]

What are the other options when held up in a building?No one was held up.

Quit lying.

[Wild Cobra]

No one was held up.

Quit lying.

By held up, I mean they were refusing to leave the building.

[ChumpDumper]

By held up, I mean they were refusing to leave the building.That's holed up, Herman.

[Wild Cobra]

That's holed up, Herman.
LOL...

Like I said, maybe that's why I like him.

I understand him.

[ChumpDumper]

LOL...

Like I said, maybe that's why I like him.

I understand him.Right, you are also ignorant and stupid and a pathetic liar.

[Wild Cobra]

Right, you are also ignorant and stupid and a pathetic liar.
I've given up on trying to convince you otherwise, so believe as you wish.

[ChumpDumper]

I've given up on trying to convince you otherwise, so believe as you wish.Every time you try to convince me otherwise, you reinforce my conclusion.

Thinking tear gas is the only tactic, for example.

[Wild Cobra]

Every time you try to convince me otherwise, you reinforce my conclusion.

Thinking tear gas is the only tactic, for example.
Yet you haven't offered viable nonlethal alternatives that get the job done, and eliminate possible violence.

[ChumpDumper]

Yet you haven't offered viable nonlethal alternatives that get the job done, and eliminate possible violence.That you don't think any alternatives exist says it all.

[Wild Cobra]

That you don't think any alternatives exist says it all.
I am not aware of others, so please tell me.

[Cry Havoc]

http://vimeo.com/31568216

[Cry Havoc]

Cops just serving the people, covering their name like any good cop should. Got anything to say for them, WC? Come on. Surely there's a good reason for a cop to have tape directly over his name.

[Cry Havoc]

Inb4 subject change, goalpost shift, shit about how the cop risks his life so we should be grateful.

[Wild Cobra]

Cops just serving the people, covering their name like any good cop should. Got anything to say for them, WC? Come on. Surely there's a good reason for a cop to have tape directly over his name.
He was out of uniform.

[Cry Havoc]

He was out of uniform.

Should have guessed. Can't bear the thought of having to admit something you don't want to, so you deflect with a joke. Classic.

[Drachen]

The videos are all the evidence I need....no M$M.....police firing on people...

where is your evidence again?

I know this has been visited, but maybe, just maybe these local reporters didn't want to get tear gassed.

[Nbadan]

M$M up to old tricks to undermine occupy

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[Nbadan]

3,000

:lol

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Occupy!!

[ChumpDumper]

How did they come up with 100,000?

[Nbadan]

Black bloc, tear gas and not much M$M

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Is this a US city?

[ChumpDumper]

So what do the Oakupiers want?

[Wild Cobra]

So what do the Oakupiers want?
You mean they aren't Occubama's?

[ChumpDumper]

You mean they aren't Occubama's?What would that even mean?

[Wild Cobra]

What would that even mean?
LOL...

Come on now. It's a fun name to have fun with!

[Cry Havoc]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/04/us-protests-oakland-veteran-idUSTRE7A37A820111104

(Reuters) - A former U.S. Army Ranger and Occupy Oakland protester was in intensive care on Friday after a veterans group said he was beaten by police during clashes with demonstrators this week.

The veteran, identified as Kayvan Sabeghi, was the second former American serviceman during the past two weeks to be badly hurt in confrontations between anti-Wall Street protesters and police in Oakland.

The group Iraq Veterans Against the War said Sabeghi was detained during disturbances that erupted late on Wednesday in downtown Oakland and was charged with resisting arrest and remaining present at the place of a riot.

Highland General Hospital confirmed that Sabeghi was a patient in the intensive care unit there.

Brian Kelly, who co-owns a brew pub with Sabeghi, said his business partner served as an Army Ranger in Iraq and Afghanistan. He said Sabeghi told him he was arrested and beaten by a group of policemen as he was leaving the protest to go home.

"He told me he was in the hospital with a lacerated spleen and that the cops had jumped him," Kelly said. "They put him in jail, and he told them he was injured, and they denied him medical treatment for about 18 hours."

The Oakland Police Department did not immediately return calls seeking comment. Sabeghi's name was listed by the Alameda County Sheriff's Office as one of more than 100 people arrested that night.

The veterans group said in a statement that police struck Sabeghi with nightsticks on his hands, shoulders, ribs and back, and that in addition to a lacerated spleen he suffered from internal bleeding.

Clashes between police and demonstrators broke out in the early morning hours of Thursday in downtown Oakland following a day of mostly peaceful rallies and marches citywide against economic inequality and police brutality.

The Port of Oakland was forced to shut down during those demonstrations, sparked in part by the severe injury of another former serviceman, ex-Marine Scott Olsen, during a confrontation with police last week.

Olsen's injury became a rallying cry for the anti-Wall Street protest movement nationwide.

(Reporting by Noel Randewich; Editing by Steve Gorman and Cynthia Johnston)

[spursncowboys]

Is the headquarters of Fannie and Freddie in Oakland? What are they protesting exactly? Is it just anybody who works for the banks that they are against?

[Cry Havoc]

Is the headquarters of Fannie and Freddie in Oakland? What are they protesting exactly? Is it just anybody who works for the banks that they are against?

So you guys are back to not knowing what they want? How many posts before you decide that you know exactly what they want again and start condemning them?

[spursncowboys]

so you know what they want? what is it? who's 'you guys' exactly?

[Cry Havoc]

who's 'you guys' exactly?

Uh.. people decrying the OWS movement?

[spursncowboys]

I haven't decryed them. I just want to know what they expect to get out of it. Who they are protesting against exactly. i talked to occupy clarksville and they didn't tell me. So far I get that they are mostly college kids who pretty much dropped out this semester and are running a form of commune in a public park.

[Nbadan]

Now I know the real reason there was no M$M in Oakland...

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[Winehole23]

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/11/occupy-oakland-general-strike/

[ChumpDumper]

Now I know the real reason there was no M$M in Oakland...

I0pX9LeE-g8That was reported by the mainstream media that was there.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

All of this MSM bullshit does is obfuscate from the real issues. Its not hard to figure out where the source of the corruption and lack of representation we face comes from. Trying to create a boogeyman distracts from the real problem.

http://www.whorunsgov.com/People/party_strategists_and_interest_groups

[Nbadan]

All of this MSM bullshit does is obfuscate from the real issues. Its not hard to figure out where the source of the corruption and lack of representation we face comes from. Trying to create a boogeyman distracts from the real problem.

http://www.whorunsgov.com/People/party_strategists_and_interest_groups

:rolleyes

The M$M isn't a boogeyman....they are part of the problem. They are as corrupt as the politicians....there's no ethics in M$M anymore....anything goes, or nothing goes...whatever suits power and money...

[Nbadan]

Today at Cal Berkley

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[Nbadan]

We got riots going on at Berkley and Penn State

http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution

[Nbadan]

Amazing crowd turning out at Berkley after police tear gassed and beat protestors tonight

http://www.ustream.tv/cbsnews

[Wild Cobra]

Why are the protesters so stupid?

Now the guy who first was hit. Notice what he does beforehand. He puts his hand to his mouth, and cant tell, but looks like maybe he threw something at the policeman who hit him.

Wish I has a different view. However, what if he was one of the six arrested? Maybe he was arrested for assault?

Like it or not, the police can use non lethal and painful force.

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[Wild Cobra]

We got riots going on at Berkley and Penn State

http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution
Fucking cry babies.

[Cry Havoc]

Fucking cry babies.

After all the bitching and moaning you've done, you need one of these yourself:

http://www.reece-eu.net/gallery/var/albums/funny/wahmbulance.jpg?m=1272637386

[boutons_deux]

Why Is the Oakland Police Department Hiding the Truth About Its Violent Crackdown on the Occupy Protests?

After three notably violent crackdowns on protesters in as many weeks, Oakland Police Department officials have refused a request by the ACLU of Northern California to release police reports documenting their use of force as required by law.

http://www.alternet.org/occupywallst/153030/why_is_the_oakland_police_department_hiding_the_tr uth_about_its_violent_crackdown_on_the_occupy_prot ests?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=alternet

[Ignignokt]

You have to be a complete asshole to minimize this. I don't care what you think about the media coverage, but for you to justify actions in America that I would expect in a country like Syria then is complete bullshit.

Its asinine for people like Darrin to act like people who care enough about the way our government is bought to protest are cry babies when all people like Darrin do is sit around and post Youtubes about ridiculous shit all day. I can't believe you at times, Darrin. You have the gall to conside yourself a fucking "alpha male" when you and I both know that you wouldn't know how to take control of a situation if your life depended on it. You're the god damn definition of a follower.


Oh shut the fuck up.

You have a right to peaceable assembly. If you obstruct the right of way to citizens, overstay, refuse to move, you are commiting aggression.

I knew you were always easily fooled.

[Wild Cobra]

Oh shut the fuck up.

You have a right to peaceable assembly. If you obstruct the right of way to citizens, overstay, refuse to move, you are commiting aggression.

I knew you were always easily fooled.
You have to give Manny a break.

He's intelligence impaired, and only recites what his peer reviewers agree on.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh shut the fuck up.

You have a right to peaceable assembly. If you obstruct the right of way to citizens, overstay, refuse to move, you are commiting aggression.

I knew you were always easily fooled.lol who was charged with aggression?

Was shooting the guy just filming the cops ethical?

Yes or no.

[DarkReign]

I honestly cannot understand how anyone could disagree with the OWS crowd.

Is there no leadership? Yup.
Are they particularly cogent and organized? Not at all.
Have clear goals? Sort of, yes. I would say yes.

But none of that would preclude me from agreeing with any amount of people who clearly and obviously demand only one thing.

The removal of corporate influence in the US government.

I would really like to see someone argue against this motive. I wont understand you, I know I will not agree with you in any way, shape or form, but I would certainly be interested to read why you think the OWS movement is a bad thing/stupid/ignorant.

Please, someone.

[DarkReign]

As an aside, a small observation.

If these OWS crowds obeyed the demands of the authorities, there would be no movement, no protest.

The authorities do not want these people congregating or protesting. They will, are and do go to great lengths to move them out, shut them down.

The authorities are being ordered to effectively shut these protests down by any means necessary and they are trying desperately to do so.

So, when it comes to "illegal congregations" and the same old, tired argument from authorities about permits, etc, I have no tolerance for that.

Youre basically saying you can only protest the government when and where the government allows you to protest. I am sorry, thats an incredibly lopsided conflict of interest at best. Because the obvious answer the government would have on these and other movements, especially the OWS crowds because theyre setting up tent-cities, is to not let them happen at all.

As a citizen you have the right to protest, period. If 1000s of people mad enough, organized enough and committed enough to a cause, there should be nothing you can do to stop them unless they get violent. Yes, even at the expense of business and trade.

That is the point after all, you want the message heard and felt by all. Maybe when people's bottom lines are affected by the message, they will consider the position in negotiations.

I honestly dont understand anyone who defends the authorities in the OWS situations. You dont make sense...youve let your political bias permeate your sense of self to an altogether unhealthy level. Because the people you identify with disagree, then so must you with no real attempt to decide yourself. Is it acceptance? Groupthink?

I dont understand.

[DarkReign]

I, for one, hope the OWS movement swells into the millions across the whole of the nation. I hope the OWS movement dwarfs the Tea Party movement 100:1.

I hope leadership emerges from this in droves that wins offices across the nation.

Because, in my humble opinion, this is the last recourse for this version of democracy. If corporations cannot be limited by this government on whatever legal grounds and this change cannot happen, then it is time for a new government that doesnt have a "For Sale" sign on its chest every election cycle.

This movement either affects change and the country is better. Or it does not and our government will continue to be the property of the highest bidders, not its citizens. What comes out of those scenarios is anyone's guess.

[ChumpDumper]

I think several other, more specific movements will and should sprout from this. I can't understand why the people who started this couldn't give it more focus so people can actually explain what they want the movement to effect when asked. As it is, most interviews look like Jaywalking segments from The Tonight Show.

[DarkReign]

I think several other, more specific movements will and should sprout from this. I can't understand why the people who started this couldn't give it more focus so people can actually explain what they want the movement to effect when asked. As it is, most interviews look like Jaywalking segments from The Tonight Show.

I agree completely. Its almost..actually, not almost, it is comical how bereft of leadership the OWS movement is. How stupid some (most?) of the participants sound when a mic gets put in their face.

But I think the surprising turnout at these sites is indicative of people's distaste for the government on many levels that arent easily dictated into comfortable, media-friendly soundbytes.

The movement lacks cohesion, and IMO, that may be its most beneficial attribute. Like you said, this disorganization will spring to life more focused offshoots that may be able to actually do something with this broken system.

[Nbadan]

I honestly cannot understand how anyone could disagree with the OWS crowd.

Is there no leadership? Yup.
Are they particularly cogent and organized? Not at all.
Have clear goals? Sort of, yes. I would say yes.

But none of that would preclude me from agreeing with any amount of people who clearly and obviously demand only one thing.

The removal of corporate influence in the US government.

I would really like to see someone argue against this motive. I wont understand you, I know I will not agree with you in any way, shape or form, but I would certainly be interested to read why you think the OWS movement is a bad thing/stupid/ignorant.

Please, someone.

Your absolutely right.......but wing-nuts work for the Corpocracy, so they'll spin this as a socialist take-over of our government, the protestors a bunch of unemployed hippies and former Acorn personal....and wing-nuts will fall for it....truth is, the OWS crowd is no particular fan of Obama either..

[Nbadan]

I, for one, hope the OWS movement swells into the millions across the whole of the nation. I hope the OWS movement dwarfs the Tea Party movement 100:1.

I hope leadership emerges from this in droves that wins offices across the nation.

Because, in my humble opinion, this is the last recourse for this version of democracy. If corporations cannot be limited by this government on whatever legal grounds and this change cannot happen, then it is time for a new government that doesnt have a "For Sale" sign on its chest every election cycle.

This movement either affects change and the country is better. Or it does not and our government will continue to be the property of the highest bidders, not its citizens. What comes out of those scenarios is anyone's guess.

That maybe the course we may have to follow anyway....some in the know think that we, as well as Europe, with the coming crash of the Euro, and most of the world, with the Arab Spring, are all progressing toward something beyond Capitalism.....an awakening that we are all somehow connected...

This maybe what 2012 is really about...

[Nbadan]

Shots reported at Occupy oakland..


"...Just moments before NBC Bay Area's Jodi Hernandez was to go on the air with a live report, she reported hearing shots fired at Occupy Oakland.

Hernandez said she heard 6 to 8 gunshots on the south side of Frank Ogawa Plaza followed by screaming from the area.

Police were not in the area at the time."

Lnk (Source: NBC Bay Area)

Don't think it was the police this time either...

[Stringer_Bell]

That maybe the course we may have to follow anyway....some in the know think that we, as well as Europe, with the coming crash of the Euro, and most of the world, with the Arab Spring, are all progressing toward something beyond Capitalism.....an awakening that we are all somehow connected...

This maybe what 2012 is really about...

While I'm now thoroughly convinced the majority of #Occupy is full of shit, I am equally humoured whenever the politicians against #Occupy say their democratic protests stand in the way of capitalism since democracy and capitalism are so clearly inseperable. NOT! There's nothing in the rulebook that says democratic societies HAVE to choose capitalism, but I do see how such a myth makes it easier for the elites to control things.

So yea, maybe that's what happens in 2012 - the homeless, hipsters, and vegans all unite to show us that democracy can choose something other than capitalism. I just hope 2012 doesn't stink as bad as those camp grounds do.

[Winehole23]

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[Wild Cobra]

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lol...

[Nbadan]

So yea, maybe that's what happens in 2012 - the homeless, hipsters, and vegans all unite to show us that democracy can choose something other than capitalism. I just hope 2012 doesn't stink as bad as those camp grounds do.

I invite you to watch...

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[Wild Cobra]

I invite you to watch...

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How about the executive summary first please.

[Nbadan]

How about the executive summary first please.

of course..


Capitalism Is The Crisis: Radical Politics in the Age of Austerity examines the ideological roots of the austerity agenda and proposes revolutionary paths out of the current crisis.

The film features original interviews with Chris Hedges, Derrick Jensen, Michael Hardt, Peter Gelderloos, Leo Panitch, David McNally, Richard J.F. Day, Imre Szeman, Wayne Price, and many more!

The 2008 financial crisis in the United States was a systemic fraud in which the wealthy finance capitalists stole trillions of public dollars. No one was jailed for this crime, the largest theft of public money in history.

Instead, the rich forced working people across the globe to pay for their crisis through punitive austerity programs that gutted public services and repealed workers’ rights.

This documentary explains the nature of capitalist crisis, visits the protests against austerity measures, and recommends revolutionary paths for the future.

Special attention is devoted to the crisis in Greece, the 2010 G20 Summit protest in Toronto, Canada, and the remarkable surge of solidarity in Madison, Wisconsin.

[Wild Cobra]

Looks like the sales pitch.

Capitalism isn't bad. What is bad is the improper implementation of regulations.

[Nbadan]

While social radical for many, the documentary does show how the OWS movement has evolved from all places, the Union battle In Wisconsin....how greater austerity programs here in the U.S. will mobilize larger segments of the population...how capitalism and the corporate takeover of our leadership is the cause of all this any why it is inevitable... and one possible way that people can survive in a post-capitalist society

[Nbadan]

Today at Occupy Dallas

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[Nbadan]

mass arrests could be imminent in ST Louis

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/383717_176286105795053_160210617402602_343157_7292 74434_n.jpg

[Wild Cobra]

Could this be why the news coverage is limited by the MSM's?:

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LOL...


Channel 6 is welcome here, you're not!

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They are stupid, aren't they?

[Cry Havoc]

How's that using one or two isolated instances to characterize tens of thousands of people working out for you, WC?

I know this dude who loves the Blazers and he's an asshole. What do you think that means for your fanbase?

[Wild Cobra]

How's that using one or two isolated instances to characterize tens of thousands of people working out for you, WC?

Considering how many protesters do their best to get video of wrong police action, and so many fewer are filming the other side, seems like a valid comparison to me.

[Nbadan]

This is just the second stage of the 1% trying to discredit the OWS movement...it hasn't been that easy from them to co-opt this message the way they have co-opted so many messages in the past, and believe me they've tried sending every leftist sellout in the book to co-opt the message, ....so move onto stage two....send all the trouble-makers and homeless to occupy wall street places and make these places appear to be danger to public safety...

It's so predictable, it's laughable...and a bad MOW...

[ChumpDumper]

This is just the second stage of the 1% trying to discredit the OWS movement...it hasn't been that easy from them to co-opt this message the way they have co-opted so many messages in the past, and believe me they've tried sending every leftist sellout in the book to co-opt the message, ....so move onto stage two....send all the trouble-makers and homeless to occupy wall street places and make these places appear to be danger to public safety...

It's so predictable, it's laughable...and a bad MOW...Who is sending them?

And how?

[Nbadan]

Your just not very google savy are you?

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[ChumpDumper]

Your just not very google savy are you?Not going to watch them.

Use your words, dan.

[Nbadan]

Don't waste my time then,,

[ChumpDumper]

Don't waste my time then,,:lmao

Thanks for not really caring about "your" movement.

I bet you a haven't been to one protest in your life.

[Nbadan]

:lmao

Thanks for not really caring about "your" movement.

I bet you a haven't been to one protest in your life.

At this point, it's more like....even if you win a debate with an idiot ...what have you really won? ...

At this point, your credibility is about as low as Darrins....

[Nbadan]

Hey Mouse...why aren't you in Austin or some other OWS city covering the fun?

[ChumpDumper]

Hey Mouse...why aren't you in Austin or some other OWS city covering the fun?You think I'm mouse now?

I drive by city hall at least twice a week. Mainly a bunch of kids hanging out and cops hanging out a few yards away watching them hang out.

Riveting.

[Cry Havoc]

Considering how many protesters do their best to get video of wrong police action, and so many fewer are filming the other side, seems like a valid comparison to me.

Some in your mind some asshole yelling at people is the equivalent of taking a large blunt object and smashing an unarmed peaceful person in the ribs with it. Or shooting them in the face with a large canister. Ok. Cool. One or two civilians being asshats but not appreciably breaking any laws is as bad as police officers who en masse completely disregard the constitution and beat peaceful protesters.

How do you function as a person when you're this detached from reality?

[Cry Havoc]

http://www.pixiq.com/article/youtube-video-exposes-dallas-cop-to-be-a-liar

[Nbadan]

Capt Ray Lewis at Occupy

Love this guy...

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[Nbadan]

Message is pretty clear to the M$M...play our game or be our enemy...

Reporters For Right-Wing Publication Daily Caller Beaten By NYPD, Helped By Protesters
By Zaid Jilani posted from ThinkProgress Special Topic on Nov 17, 2011 at 2:30 pm


The Daily Caller's Michelle Fields faced abuse from the NYPD and help from protesters.
The right-wing Daily Caller website has been anything but kind to Occupy Wall Street, even going so far as to condemn the protest movement as generating riots, murder, and arson.

But when a couple of Daily Caller employees were at Occupy Wall Street this morning, it was the very protesters they had been demonizing who ended up helping them out. Daily Caller reporter Michelle Fields — who faced off with actor Matt Damon earlier this year over education policy — and videographer Direna Cousins both claim they were attacked by the New York Police Department (NYPD) while covering the raucous protests in the Financial District today. Fields added that Occupy Wall Street protesters immediately came up to her to offer their help:


“Direna had a camera in her hand and I had a microphone, and we were being hit,” she said. “When I fell to the ground I said at one point, ‘I’m just covering this! I’m covering this!’ And the officer just said, ‘Come on, get up, get up,’ before pulling me up by my jacket.’” “The protesters came up to me right away and asked if I needed any medical assistance. They were actually very kind and helpful. It was the police officers who were very aggressive,” Fields added.

TP (http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/11/17/371349/reporters-for-right-wing-publication-daily-caller-beaten-by-nypd-helped-by-protesters)

We are the 99%

[Wild Cobra]

Capt Ray Lewis at Occupy

Love this guy...

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Retired Philadelphia Police Captain Ray Lewis Arrested At OWS, Calls NYPD Rationale ‘A Farce’ (http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/161545/retired-philadelphia-police-captain-ray-lewis-arrested-at-ows-calls-nypd-rationale-a-farce/#3)

I wonder if he wants to experience that Philadelphia freedom?

[ChumpDumper]

Message is pretty clear to the M$M...play our game or be our enemy...

Reporters For Right-Wing Publication Daily Caller Beaten By NYPD, Helped By Protesters
By Zaid Jilani posted from ThinkProgress Special Topic on Nov 17, 2011 at 2:30 pm



TP (http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/11/17/371349/reporters-for-right-wing-publication-daily-caller-beaten-by-nypd-helped-by-protesters)

We are the 99%I have to give you credit for taking every possible position for and against the mainstream media in this thread.

[Nbadan]

Homeland security is coordinating efforts with big-city Mayors to crack head at demostrations

The cop group coordinating the Occupy crackdowns
Shawn Gaynor - San Francisco Bay Guardian
11.18.11 - 11:23 am


<snip>

As cities across America evict encampments of the Occupy Wall Street movement, similarities of timing, talking points and tactics among major metropolitan mayors and police chiefs have led critics to wonder: Is some sort of national coordination going on? The White House says there’s no federal oversight. Speaking November 15 aboard Air Force One, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said “The president’s position is that obviously every municipality has to make its own decisions about how to handle these issues.”

But a little-known but influential private membership based organization has placed itself at the center of advising and coordinating the crackdown on the encampments. The Police Executive Research Forum, an international non-governmental organization with ties to law enforcement (that has Israel written all over it) and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, has been coordinating conference calls with major metropolitan mayors and police chiefs to advise them on policing matters and discuss response to the Occupy movement. The group has distributed a recently published guide on policing political events.

Speaking to Democracy Now! On November 17, PERF Executive Director Chuck Wexler acknowledged PERF's coordination of a series of conference-call strategy sessions with big-city police chiefs. These calls were distinct from the widely reported national conference calls of major metropolitan mayors.

The coordination of political crackdowns on the Occupy movement has been conducted behind closed doors, with city officials and PERF refusing to say how many cities participated in the conference calls and the exact nature of the discussions. Reports of at least a dozen cities and some indication of as many as 40 accepting PERF advice and/or strategic documents include San Francisco, Seattle, New York, Portland, Oakland, Atlanta, and Washington DC

Link (http://www.sfbg.com/politics/2011/11/18/cop-group-coordinating-occupy-crackdowns)

They planned, in advance, the decision to shut out the media

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Homeland security is coordinating efforts with big-city Mayors to crack head at demostrations

The cop group coordinating the Occupy crackdowns
Shawn Gaynor - San Francisco Bay Guardian
11.18.11 - 11:23 am



Link (http://www.sfbg.com/politics/2011/11/18/cop-group-coordinating-occupy-crackdowns)

They planned, in advance, the decision to shut out the media

Why did you editorialize the article with the blurb about Israel?

[ChumpDumper]

Joooooooooooooooooooooooooos!

[Nbadan]

Why did you editorialize the article with the blurb about Israel?

Who do you think it was? Kazakhstan?

[Nbadan]

To serve and protect

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[Nbadan]

UC Davis Chancellor's long walk to her car following the pepper-spraying of peaceful protestors on campus

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Dead man walking...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Who do you think it was? Kazakhstan?

I don't make shit up and put it into articles in the same color and font. Thats what I think.

[Nbadan]

:sleepy

Hey, what's the Pepper-spray guy doing today?

Let's check up

[Nbadan]

The turning point: The moral example of UC Davis students, and Occupy Wall Street
If America needs a moral turning point, this is it.
Published on November 19, 2011
by Michael Chorost, Ph.D. in World Wide Mind


<snip>

The video is shocking. A line of students sits on the ground, heads bowed. A police officer dressed in riot gear walks up to them, holding a pepper spray gun. He theatrically raises his arm, as if about to carry out an execution, and presses the trigger. A foul-looking orange spray shoots out. Methodically, deliberately, he walks to the end of the line, saturating each student. He might as well be casually spraying bug spray. When he reaches the end he begins walking back in the other direction, spraying each of them again. The students huddle in obvious pain. People in the crowd nearby gasp in shock and began chanting, "Shame on you! Shame on you! Shame on you!"

This event is powerfully symbolic. It is about contempt from those in power and the wanton use of force against the powerless.

We have seen similar things over and over again in the past few years. We have seen it in banks lobbying for public handouts and then denying relief to millions of exploited homeowners. We have seen it in tax breaks and bonuses for the rich while millions of Americans are out of work. We have seen it in church and university officers abusing children and then covering it up. We have seen it in the censorship of climate science performed in the public interest. We have seen it in the absurd declaration that corporations are "people" and entitled to spend billions of dollars to elect representatives that they will then own. We have seen it everywhere we turn.

The police officer is Congress. Our banks. Our clerics... The students are us... If I had to sum up the attitude of America's governing classes in one word, I would say: contempt.

We are seeing the beginning of a worldwide movement to fight for dignity and intelligent, collective governance. It is remarkable, the parallels between what we see in Tunisia, in Cairo, in Rome, in Zucotti Park, in Oakland, California, and now at UC Davis.

Psychology Today (http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/world-wide-mind/201111/the-turning-point-the-moral-example-uc-davis-students-and-occupy-wall-st)

[Nbadan]

CNN News director tries to pass the 'media is doing a shitty job covering Occupy because police are intimidating reports....talking point....

Has our media really become so inept...so ....compromised?


CNN's Howard Kurtz is calling for New York City and Mayor Michael Bloomberg to apologize for the way the media was censored, roughed up and arrested during the recent eviction of Occupy Wall Street activists in Zuccotti Park.

"New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg ordered a post-midnight raid to clear the protesters from a lower Manhattan park," Kurtz explained Sunday. "Some reporters were pushed away and barred from covering the confrontation. About two dozen journalists from outlets such as the AP and The New York Daily News were arrested. Bloomberg says the city was trying to -- quote -- 'prevent a situation from getting worse and protect members of the press.' Except police later shoved and roughed up a number of reporters and photographers."

"This is quite simply an outrage, that police haul off journalists trying to do their jobs and push the press corps away from a legitimate news event," Kurtz declared. "That is nothing less than censorship and the city owes these journalist and the rest of us an apology."

[Nbadan]

disinfecting the Nighthawks scene

http://www.wired.com/underwire/wp-content/gallery/pepper-spraying-cop/Nighthawks.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

Pretty lame reason to blow the margin.

[Nbadan]

There...better for you?

Today in New York

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[Nbadan]

Why occupy?

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[Nbadan]

looks like OccupyLA is the place to be tonight....police mounting for a possible eviction of protesters which number about a 1000

http://www.occupystream.com/

[Nbadan]

police are attempting to disperse the crowd in Philadelphia...

http://www.livestream.com/occupyphiladelphia

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/livenow?id=8449158

[Nbadan]

How much longer before the mercenaries fire on peaceful protesters

and then what?

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[ChumpDumper]

How much longer before the mercenaries fire on peaceful protesters

and then what?You'll post something on a message board.

[Nbadan]

You'll post something on a message board.

....and you'll post something stupid...

[ChumpDumper]

....and you'll post something stupid...You certainly won't join an actual demonstration.

[Nbadan]

You certainly won't join an actual demonstration.

soo...only active demonstrators support causes....

[ChumpDumper]

soo...only active demonstrators support causes....Define support.

Do you do anything other than post on the internets about them?

[Nbadan]

Define support.

Do you do anything other than post on the internets about them?

Everyone does a part.....the Internet is a fabulous way to get information and news that you won't regularly get on domestic news sources...

.....the internet is a definite threat to those who wish to limit free speech and our right to freely protest our government....

...I support many other causes too...

[ChumpDumper]

Everyone does a part.....the Internet is a fabulous way to get information and news that you won't regularly get on domestic news sources...

.....the internet is a definite threat to those who wish to limit free speech and our right to freely protest our government....

...I support many other causes too...So you do nothing but post on the internets.

Wow.

[Nbadan]

So you do nothing but post on the internets.

Wow.


No....I've posted what I do here before....no need to reharp that....I post stuff on the Internet...so does everyone else on this site...

[ChumpDumper]

No....I've posted what I do here before....no need to reharp that....I post stuff on the Internet...so does everyone else on this site...Go ahead and "reharp" -- do you need time to make something up?

[Nbadan]

Go ahead and "reharp" -- do you need time to make something up?

Nah...I have a 7:30 meeting...time for bed...

....

[ChumpDumper]

Nah...I have a 7:30 meeting...time for bed...

....That will give you plenty of time to make something up.

[Nbadan]

http://us.cdn2.123rf.com/168nwm/akeeris/akeeris1106/akeeris110600102/9809096-fall-dominos-dominos-arranging-in-line-and-hand-try-to-fall-down.jpg


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[Nbadan]

The Republican Governor’s Association met in Florida this week and featured pollster Frank Luntz, who offered a coaching session for attendees about how they should communicate to the public. Yahoo! News’ Chris Moody was there, and captured some of Luntz’s comments on Occupy Wall Street.


Luntz told attendees that he’s “scared of this anti-Wall Street effort. I’m frightened to death.” The pollster warned that the movement is “having an impact on what the American people think of capitalism.” So the pollster offered some advice for them about how to fight back. Here’s a few snippets of what he said, according to Moody:

– Don’t Mention Capitalism: Luntz said that his polling research found that “The public…still prefers capitalism to socialism, but they think capitalism is immoral. And if we’re seen as defenders of quote, Wall Street, end quote, we’ve got a problem.”

.............

-– Don’t Mention The Middle Class Because Americans Don’t Trust Republicans To Defend It: “They cannot win if the fight is on hardworking taxpayers,” Luntz instructed the audience. “We can say we defend the ‘middle class’ and the public will say, I’m not sure about that. But defending ‘hardworking taxpayers’ and Republicans have the advantage.”

MORE:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/republicans-being-ta...

[boutons_deux]

Luntz, Repug Minister of Propaganda. Right-wing Americans are real suckers for propaganda.

[boutons_deux]

Maddow last night addressed how Fox Repug Propaganda network is playing kingmaker, dramatically favoring Noot over Willard, while the majority of non-Fox conservatives are mainly trashing Noot (while not loving Willard).

Fox is just another turd floating in Murdoch's septic tank

[boutons_deux]

People Locked in Tiny Cages, Crying in Pain: What I Saw and Heard When the LAPD Threw Me in Jail for Exercising My Right to Protest the Oligarch

First off, don’t believe the PR bullshit. There was nothing peaceful or professional about the LAPD’s attack on Occupy LA–not unless you think that people peacefully protesting against the power of the financial oligarchy deserve to be treated the way I saw Russian cops treating the protesters in Moscow and St. Petersburg who were demonstrating against the oligarchy under Putin and Yeltsin

* I heard from two different sources that at least one busload of protesters (around 40 people) was forced to spend seven excruciating hours locked in tiny cages on a Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Dept. prison bus, denied food, water and access to bathroom facilities. Both men and women were forced to urinate in their seats. Meanwhile, the cops in charge of the bus took an extended Starbucks coffee break.

* The bus that I was shoved into didn’t move for at least an hour. The whole time we listened to the screams and crying from a young woman whom the cops locked into a tiny cage at the front of the bus. She was in agony, begging and pleading for one of the policemen to loosen her plastic handcuffs. A police officer sat a couple of feet away the entire time that she screamed–but wouldn’t lift a finger.

* Everyone on my bus felt her pain–literally felt it. That’s because the zip-tie handcuffs they use—like the ones you see on Iraq prisoners in Abu Ghraib—cut off your circulation and wedge deep through your skin, where they can do some serious nerve damage, if that’s the point. And it did seem to be the point. A couple of guys around me were writhing in agony in their hard plastic seats, hands handcuffed behind their back.

* The 100 protesters in my detainee group were kept handcuffed with their hands behind their backs for 7 hours, denied food and water and forced to sit/sleep on a concrete floor. Some were so tired they passed out face down on the cold and dirty concrete, hands tied behind their back. As a result of the tight cuffs, I wound up losing sensation in my left palm/thumb and still haven’t recovered it now, a day and a half after they finally took them off.

* One seriously injured protester, who had been shot with a shotgun beanbag round and had an oozing bloody welt the size of a grapefruit just above his elbow, was denied medical attention for five hours. Another young guy, who complained that he thought his arm had been broken, was not given medical attention for at least as long. Instead, he spent the entire pre-booking procedure handcuffed to a wall, completely spaced out and staring blankly into space like he was in shock.

* An Occupy LA demonstrator in his 50s who was in my cell block in the Los Angeles Metropolitan Detention Center told us all about when a police officer forced him to take a shit with his hands handcuffed behind his back, which made pulling down his pants and sitting down on the toilet extremely difficult and awkward. And he had to do this in sight of female police officers, all of which made him feel extremely ashamed, to say the least.

* There were two vegetarians and one vegan in my cell. When I left jail around 1:30 pm, they still had not been given food, despite the fact that they were constantly being promised that it would come.

* There were 292 people arrested at Occupy LA. About 75 of them have been released or have gotten out on bail, according the National Lawyers Guild. Most are still inside, slapped with $5,000 to $10,000 bail. According to a bail bondsman I know, this is unprecedented. Misdemeanors are almost always released on their own recognizance, which means that they don’t pay any bail at all. Or at most it’s a $100.

* That means the harsh, long detentions are meant to be are a purely punitive measure against Occupy LA protesters–an order that had to come from the very top.

http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/153303

[boutons_deux]

Scott Walker’s New Policy May Result in Protesters Being Charged for the Pepper Spray Used Against Them

protesters who apply for permits to protest outside government buildings in Wisconsin may be charged for clean-up costs and the presence of police officers. “Gov. Scott Walker now wants to charge protesters for the time that the police that will monitor them and presumably pepper spray them,”

the city of Nashville billed Occupy Nashville $1,045 for security the day before it decided to evict the entire encampment. The Republican governor of that state, Bill Haslam, is also in the process of formulating a new policy to restrict the ability of protesters to occupy state grounds.

http://www.truth-out.org/scott-walkers-new-policy-may-result-protesters-being-charged-pepper-spray-used-against-them/1322940

==========

No right to peaceable assembly on taxpayer-owned property? then where?

These Repug moves are like charging rape victims for rape kit costs.



http://www.truth-out.org/scott-walkers-new-policy-may-result-protesters-being-charged-pepper-spray-used-against-them/1322940

[Nbadan]

Thousands talking to the streets tonight in Portland after mass arrests...its a beautiful thing tonight...mass march to city hall...

http://occupystream.com/

[Nbadan]

Police getting ready to start mass arrests in LA after occupy reorganized tonight...curfew now...

http://occupystream.com/

[4>0rings]

Thousands talking to the streets tonight in Portland after mass arrests...its a beautiful thing tonight...mass march to city hall...

http://occupystream.com/
Dealers are making a killing down there I bet.

[Wild Cobra]

Thousands talking to the streets tonight in Portland after mass arrests...its a beautiful thing tonight...mass march to city hall...

http://occupystream.com/
The stream is lame...

[Wild Cobra]

I think the Portland occupiers should occupy Mill Ends Park.

Dan...

Do you have any sway with them?

[Nbadan]

DC protestors started erecting a guillotine today on K-street...and the cops quickly moved in

http://occupystream.com/

[Nbadan]

Occupy Melbourne...those crazy Aussie cops strip a chick in public

MtwuGAOR9a4

hurry before it gets deleted again

[Wild Cobra]

Occupy Melbourne...those crazy Aussie cops strip a chick in public

MtwuGAOR9a4

hurry before it gets deleted again
Hurry Dan...

Take those police officers to court.

How do their laws differ anyway? I'll bet they were in their right to remove the tent from the park. Since she didn't go voluntarily, they removed it forcibly. LOL... fucking crybabies. They purposely put themselves in the position to make the police take action.

[Nbadan]

Merry Christmas!

http://i.imgur.com/hxpZT.jpg

[Winehole23]

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/occupy-wall-street-protesters-shut-law-order-svu-set-depicting-ows-article-1.989070

[Cry Havoc]

http://myoccupylaarrest.blogspot.com/

My name is Patrick Meighan, and I’m a husband, a father, a writer on the Fox animated sitcom “Family Guy”, and a member of the Unitarian Universalist Community Church of Santa Monica.

I was arrested at about 1 a.m. Wednesday morning with 291 other people at Occupy LA. I was sitting in City Hall Park with a pillow, a blanket, and a copy of Thich Nhat Hanh’s “Being Peace” when 1,400 heavily-armed LAPD officers in paramilitary SWAT gear streamed in. I was in a group of about 50 peaceful protestors who sat Indian-style, arms interlocked, around a tent (the symbolic image of the Occupy movement). The LAPD officers encircled us, weapons drawn, while we chanted “We Are Peaceful” and “We Are Nonviolent” and “Join Us.”

As we sat there, encircled, a separate team of LAPD officers used knives to slice open every personal tent in the park. They forcibly removed anyone sleeping inside, and then yanked out and destroyed any personal property inside those tents, scattering the contents across the park. They then did the same with the communal property of the Occupy LA movement. For example, I watched as the LAPD destroyed a pop-up canopy tent that, until that moment, had been serving as Occupy LA’s First Aid and Wellness tent, in which volunteer health professionals gave free medical care to absolutely anyone who requested it. As it happens, my family had personally contributed that exact canopy tent to Occupy LA, at a cost of several hundred of my family’s dollars. As I watched, the LAPD sliced that canopy tent to shreds, broke the telescoping poles into pieces and scattered the detritus across the park. Note that these were the objects described in subsequent mainstream press reports as “30 tons of garbage” that was “abandoned” by Occupy LA: personal property forcibly stolen from us, destroyed in front of our eyes and then left for maintenance workers to dispose of while we were sent to prison.

When the LAPD finally began arresting those of us interlocked around the symbolic tent, we were all ordered by the LAPD to unlink from each other (in order to facilitate the arrests). Each seated, nonviolent protester beside me who refused to cooperate by unlinking his arms had the following done to him: an LAPD officer would forcibly extend the protestor’s legs, grab his left foot, twist it all the way around and then stomp his boot on the insole, pinning the protestor’s left foot to the pavement, twisted backwards. Then the LAPD officer would grab the protestor’s right foot and twist it all the way the other direction until the non-violent protestor, in incredible agony, would shriek in pain and unlink from his neighbor.

It was horrible to watch, and apparently designed to terrorize the rest of us. At least I was sufficiently terrorized. I unlinked my arms voluntarily and informed the LAPD officers that I would go peacefully and cooperatively. I stood as instructed, and then I had my arms wrenched behind my back, and an officer hyperextended my wrists into my inner arms. It was super violent, it hurt really really bad, and he was doing it on purpose. When I involuntarily recoiled from the pain, the LAPD officer threw me face-first to the pavement. He had my hands behind my back, so I landed right on my face. The officer dropped with his knee on my back and ground my face into the pavement. It really, really hurt and my face started bleeding and I was very scared. I begged for mercy and I promised that I was honestly not resisting and would not resist.

My hands were then zipcuffed very tightly behind my back, where they turned blue. I am now suffering nerve damage in my right thumb and palm.

I was put on a paddywagon with other nonviolent protestors and taken to a parking garage in Parker Center. They forced us to kneel (and sit--SEE UPDATE) on the hard pavement of that parking garage for seven straight hours with our hands still tightly zipcuffed behind our backs. Some began to pass out. One man rolled to the ground and vomited for a long, long time before falling unconscious. The LAPD officers watched and did nothing.

At 9 a.m. we were finally taken from the pavement into the station to be processed. The charge was sitting in the park after the police said not to. It’s a misdemeanor. Almost always, for a misdemeanor, the police just give you a ticket and let you go. It costs you a couple hundred dollars. Apparently, that’s what happened with most every other misdemeanor arrest in LA that day.

With us Occupy LA protestors, however, they set bail at $5,000 and booked us into jail. Almost none of the protesters could afford to bail themselves out. I’m lucky and I could afford it, except the LAPD spent all day refusing to actually *accept* the bail they set. If you were an accused murderer or a rapist in LAPD custody that day, you could bail yourself right out and be back on the street, no problem. But if you were a nonviolent Occupy LA protestor with bail money in hand, you were held long into the following morning, with absolutely no access to a lawyer.

I spent most of my day and night crammed into an eight-man jail cell, along with sixteen other Occupy LA protesters. My sleeping spot was on the floor next to the toilet.

Finally, at 2:30 the next morning, after twenty-five hours in custody, I was released on bail. But there were at least 200 Occupy LA protestors who couldn’t afford the bail. The LAPD chose to keep those peaceful, non-violent protesters in prison for two full days… the absolute legal maximum that the LAPD is allowed to detain someone on misdemeanor charges.

As a reminder, Antonio Villaraigosa has referred to all of this as “the LAPD’s finest hour.”

So that’s what happened to the 292 women and men were arrested last Wednesday. Now let’s talk about a man who was not arrested last Wednesday. He is former Citigroup CEO Charles Prince. Under Charles Prince, Citigroup was guilty of massive, coordinated securities fraud.

Citigroup spent years intentionally buying up every bad mortgage loan it could find, creating bad securities out of those bad loans and then selling shares in those bad securities to duped investors. And then they sometimes secretly bet *against* their *own* bad securities to make even more money. For one such bad Citigroup security, Citigroup executives were internally calling it, quote, “a collection of dogshit”. To investors, however, they called it, quote, “an attractive investment rigorously selected by an independent investment adviser”.

This is fraud, and it’s a felony, and the Charles Princes of the world spent several years doing it again and again: knowingly writing bad mortgages, and then packaging them into fraudulent securities which they then sold to suckers and then repeating the process. This is a big part of why your property values went up so fast. But then the bubble burst, and that’s why our economy is now shattered for a generation, and it’s also why your home is now underwater. Or at least mine is.

Anyway, if your retirement fund lost a decade’s-worth of gains overnight, this is why.

If your son’s middle school has added furlough days because the school district can’t afford to keep its doors open for a full school year, this is why.

If your daughter has come out of college with a degree only to discover that there are no jobs for her, this is why.

But back to Charles Prince. For his four years of in charge of massive, repeated fraud at Citigroup, he received fifty-three million dollars in salary and also received another ninety-four million dollars in stock holdings. What Charles Prince has *not* received is a pair of zipcuffs. The nerves in his thumb are fine. No cop has thrown Charles Prince into the pavement, face-first. Each and every peaceful, nonviolent Occupy LA protester arrested last week has has spent more time sleeping on a jail floor than every single Charles Prince on Wall Street, combined.

The more I think about that, the madder I get. What does it say about our country that nonviolent protesters are given the bottom of a police boot while those who steal hundreds of billions, do trillions worth of damage to our economy and shatter our social fabric for a generation are not only spared the zipcuffs but showered with rewards?

In any event, believe it or not, I’m really not angry that I got arrested. I chose to get arrested. And I’m not even angry that the mayor and the LAPD decided to give non-violent protestors like me a little extra shiv in jail (although I’m not especially grateful for it either).

I’m just really angry that every single Charles Prince wasn’t in jail with me.

Thank you for letting me share that anger with you today.

Patrick Meighan

[Cry Havoc]

iHGUpxtfcoc

[Winehole23]

cruel or excessive force discredits the political authorities who wield it, as well as respect for police.

[lazerelmo]

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/occupy-wall-street-protesters-shut-law-order-svu-set-depicting-ows-article-1.989070


Good thing stabler is not on the show anymore. Things could have gotten ugly.


Not sure if that was a good move, preventing their message from being aired to millions of viewers.

[Nbadan]

Brrr...it's cold outside....guess the occupiers all went home..

[Nbadan]

Meanwhile

dAAbk3_VR8Y#!

[Winehole23]

4fVXaCdKk48


HFD was called in to cut PVC pipes off of a group of protesters who used the devices to band their arms together. A large red tent was placed over the protesters to prevent sparks, said HPD spokesman John Cannon (http://www.chron.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=news%2Fhouston-texas&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22John+Cannon%22). http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/20-Occupy-Houston-protesters-arrested-2398468.php

[ChumpDumper]

PVC sparks?

[Winehole23]

fire abatement. how considerate of HPD

[Nbadan]

mic check...

The events in this video happened yesterday, December 17th, 2011, at roughly 3:45 PM as protesters, including clergy members, attempted to liberate the unused, fenced off section of Duarte Square on the corner of Canal Street and 6th Avenue in New York City on the three-month anniversary of Occupy Wall Street.

DLGiRm0VQzA

[Nbadan]

Occupy Denver on the move tonight...

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/occupyden

[ChumpDumper]

On the move where?

[Wild Cobra]

Dan...

Is that a video of them occupying private property?

Don't need to see more bullshit.

[Nbadan]

Looky the nifty weapons being used against US citizens...can you imagine if these weapons had been used against the tea potty?

Wednesday Dec 21, 2011 9:02 am
Battlefield Occupy
By Allison Kilkenny


Over the course of the past three months, Occupy camps nationwide have been the scenes of sometimes brutal crackdowns by police on protesters, who have tried to exercise their First Amendment rights to gather and express themselves.

The raids have also permitted officers to experiment with their favorite toys of suppression. The use of pepper spray, rubber bullets, tasers, flash bang grenades, tanks (see: Occupy Tampa,) tear gas, and batons are familiar sights to most Occupiers by now.

NYPD used a Long-Range Acoustic Device, commonly known as a sound cannon, primarily as a "communication device" even though the LRAD can easily damage hearing. The LRAD was also used during a raid at Occupy LA.

For more than 90 days, some protesters desperately clung to the world's most uneven battlefield in which police officers, armed with millions of dollars worth of weaponry -- sometimes purchased with funding from the big banks themselves -- repeatedly raided their camps.

http://inthesetimes.com/uprising/entry/12457/battlefield_occupy

What if the government fired weapons at US citizens and nobody cared? You'd have the most lethal weapon of all - apathy

[ChumpDumper]

Occupy Denver on the move tonight...

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/occupydenSo where did they move?

Were there tanks?

[ChumpDumper]

They were all lying down rather still in Austin today fyi.

[Winehole23]

http://www.kens5.com/news/local/Occupy-SA-protesters-snap-ironic-photo-of-snoozing-officer-136073488.html

[Winehole23]

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/01/occupy-wall-streets-livestream-operators-arrested/46921/

[Winehole23]

Brrr...it's cold outside....guess the occupiers all went home..http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57350759/68-occupiers-arrested-in-nyc-on-new-years-eve/

[Winehole23]

OWS Obamabots strike again:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/grand-central-latest-occupy-wall-street-destination-cops-bust-flash-mob-protesting-defense-act-article-1.1000584?localLinksEnabled=false

[PublicOption]

Ron Paul 2012

[PublicOption]

http://militantlibertarian.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/don_t_tread_on_me_poster-p228018473153971733tdcp_400.jpg

[Nbadan]

Paul is a anarchists

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e325/pjd777/occupy.jpg

[Winehole23]

Paul is a anarchistsSometimes you barely make sense, Dan.

[Nbadan]

Whistle Blower Threatened with 35 Years in Prison, Warns of Developing Tyranny
Thomas Drake blew the whistle on a massive domestic information gathering scheme and was called "an enemy of the state" (speech at Sam Adams Awards)
January 4, 2011


Thomas Drake is the 2011 winner of the Sam Adams Associates for Integrity in Intelligence. Thomas Drake attempted to expose massive NSA mismanagement and the agency's use of a data collection program that was more costly, more threatening to American citizens' privacy rights, and less effective than a readily-available alternative. For his actions, Drake's house was raided, and he was subsequently charged under the Espionage Act, facing 35 years in prison.

Bio

Thomas Andrews Drake (born 1957) is a former senior official of the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA), decorated United States Air Force and United States Navy veteran, computer software expert, linguist, management and leadership specialist, and whistleblower. In 2010 the government alleged that he 'mishandled' documents, one of the few such Espionage Act cases in U.S. history. His defenders claim that he was instead being persecuted for challenging the Trailblazer Project.


TRANSCRIPT EXCERPT

In my case, while a senior official at the National Security Agency, I found out about the use of electronic eavesdropping on Americans, turning this country into the equivalent of a foreign nation, for the purposes of blanket surveillance and data mining, blatantly disregarding a 23-year legal regime that was the exclusive means for the conduct of such electronic collection and surveillance, which carried criminal sanctions when violated. I also discovered that NSA had withheld critical and crucial intelligence prior to 9/11 and after 9/11, as well as data and information that was available but remained undiscovered, and if shared—if shared—could have made a decisive difference alone in preventing the 9/11 attacks from ever happening. I also learned about a massively expensive and failing surveillance program under development called Trailblazer that largely served as nothing more than a funding vehicle to enrich government contractors and keep government program managers in charge, when a cheap, highly effective, and operational alternative called ThinThread was available in-house that fully protected Americans' privacy rights under the law, while also providing superior intelligence to this nation.

These secret programs which deliberately bypassed the Constitution and existing laws were born during the first few critical weeks and months following 9/11 as a result of a willful decision made by the very highest levels of this government. Such shortcuts and end-runs were not and never necessary, as lawful existed that would have vastly improved our intelligence capability with the very best of American ingenuity and innovation, as well as time-honored noncoercive interrogation techniques.

Read the full speech at:

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=767&Itemid=74&jumival=7755

See the Sam Adams Award acceptance speech on YouTube at:

o8faugocO2E#!

[Winehole23]

previous mentions of Thomas Drake on SpursTalk:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183287
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181351
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155092

[Winehole23]

Occupy Wall Street scored a victory on Tuesday night when police removed metal barricades that for nearly two months had blocked protesters (http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/01/zuccotti-park-is-still-sort-of-locked-down.html) from entering Zuccotti Park, previously home base of the Occupy movement.


A day earlier, the New York Civil Liberties Union appealed (http://www.nyclu.org/news/rights-groups-urge-city-halt-illegal-restrictions-zuccotti-park) to the New York City Department of Buildings to have the barricades removed, calling the obstructions a violation of city zoning laws because they restricted public access to the park.

Prior to the removal of the barricades, the park was accessible only through two checkpoints under watch by officers or security. But on Tuesday, according to police spokesman Paul Brown (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/10/zuccotti-park-barricades_n_1198129.html), police tore down those walls because officials felt they were no longer necessary.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/01/police-remove-barricades-at-zuccotti-park.html

[Winehole23]

Occupy Congress: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203735304577167214156233978.html?m od=googlenews_wsj (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203735304577167214156233978.html?m od=googlenews_wsj)

[Wild Cobra]

The silly movement that won't die.

Like cockroaches.

[Winehole23]

The United States tumbled 27 places in the latest edition of the annual Press Freedom Index (http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2011-2012,1043.html), thanks in large part to the rough treatment of journalists covering the Occupy Wall Street protests that took place around the country this past year.




Last year (http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2010,1034.html), the United States came in 20th, sandwiched between the United Kingdom and Canada at 19th and 21st place, respectively. After 2011, however, the United States finds itself tied for 47th place with Romania and Argentina on the list, which is compiled by Reporters Without Borders, a not-for-profit advocating for press freedom around the globe.




"The crackdown on protest movements and the accompanying excesses took their toll on journalists," the group explains in the annual report. "In the space of two months in the United States, more than 25 were subjected to arrests and beatings at the hands of police who were quick to issue indictments for inappropriate behaviour, public nuisance or even lack of accreditation."
http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2012/01/25/reporters_without_borders_press_freedom_index_slam s_us_for_occupy_wall_street_arrests.html

[cheguevara]

^ was gonna post this

:lmao free democracy

Wall Street coming down like Egyptian Military on motherfuckers. Let's hope they don't go Syrian.

[Winehole23]

that's a poor comparison

[cheguevara]

hyperbole

[Winehole23]

is overrated

[cheguevara]

to eternity!

[Winehole23]

around 300 arrested in Oakland yesterday:

http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/ci_19843262

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/01/29/MNSI1N00ER.DTL

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-mew-occupy-oakland-20120130,0,2890529.story

[Winehole23]

Oakland officials said Friday that since the Occupy Oakland encampment was first established in late October, police have arrested about 300 people.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/01/28/occupy-oakland-crowd-grows-to-nearly-2000/?test=latestnews#ixzz1kpxyQpo8

[Winehole23]

Some protesters claimed they were trying to flee police by running through the YMCA rather than take over the building.http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/28/10260959-hundreds-arrested-at-occupy-oakland-protesters-break-into-city-hall

[Winehole23]

Police in riot gear moved in, firing smoke grenades, tear gas and bean-bag projectiles to drive the crowd back.

"Officers were pelted with bottles, metal pipe, rocks, spray cans, improvised explosive devices and burning flares," the Oakland Police Department said in a statement. "Oakland Police Department deployed smoke and tear gas."

Some activists, carrying shields made of plastic garbage cans and corrugated metal, tried to circumvent the police line, and surged toward police on another side of the building as more smoke canisters were fired.

"The City of Oakland welcomes peaceful forms of assembly and freedom of speech, but acts of violence, property destruction and overnight lodging will not be tolerated," police said in a statement.http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/sns-rt-us-oakland-proteststre80s005-20120128,0,522990.story

[ChumpDumper]

These guys in Oakland have stupid plans.

[Winehole23]

long term actions are bound to lead to foolishness. how do you fill up all the time?

[ChumpDumper]

long term actions are bound to lead to foolishness. how do you fill up all the time?Did all their hacky sacks roll down storm drains or something?

[Winehole23]

ran out of weed? bummer.

[Winehole23]

Sergio Ballesteros, 30, has been involved in Occupy LA since the movement had its California launch in October. But this week, his activism took an abrupt turn when he was arrested on a felony charge — lynching.


Under the California penal code, lynching is “taking by means of a riot of any person from the lawful custody of any peace officer," where "riot" is defined as two or more people threatening violence or disturbing the peace. The original purpose of the legal code section 405(a) (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=85305712820+0+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve) was to protect defendants in police custody from vigilante mobs — especially black defendants from racist groups.
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/17/10177446-prosecutors-aim-new-weapon-at-occupy-activists-lynching-allegation

[Nbadan]

Meanwhile in Oakland..

wTum1mSpkK8#!

[ChumpDumper]

You missed the Austin eviction from city hall.

lol local news called it a "dirty, smelly situation."

[Wild Cobra]

apparently americans have the right to peaceably assemble.....until authorities get tired of them hanging around
I guess you don't think trashing an area, and blocking the access of others is any kind of violation then?

I saw two of the city block size parks yesterday when I went to downtown Portland. They had they fenced off and new grass planted. Mostly dirt. The next park over had healthy grass where the protesters didn't occupy.

[4>0rings]

I guess you don't think trashing an area, and blocking the access of others is any kind of violation then?

I saw two of the city block size parks yesterday when I went to downtown Portland. They had they fenced off and new grass planted. Mostly dirt. The next park over had healthy grass where the protesters didn't occupy.

You would of been insanely rabid during the civil rights era. ALL THE BLACKKKS!!!!!

[Wild Cobra]

You would of been insanely rabid during the civil rights era. ALL THE BLACKKKS!!!!!
No.

I don't think they were as disruptive as today's occupy assholes.

[4>0rings]

No.

I don't think they were as disruptive as today's occupy assholes.

You have already stated your distrust for black Americans already, its a foregone conclusion how you would feel if 60,000 blacks walked down your street.


'get da scattergun ma!'

[Wild Cobra]

You have already stated your distrust for black Americans already, its a foregone conclusion how you would feel if 60,000 blacks walked down your street.


'get da scattergun ma!'
My God. Go back and read my words very carefully. Break out a 5th grade English book if you want. I never said any such thing as you implied.

I'm laughing at the same time as to your brainwashed reverse racist attitude, or is it racist?

Do you believe blacks are inferior so they need quota's in place to jet education, jobs, etc? I don't. I see them as equals.

[ChumpDumper]

The black surgeons are your superiors.

[Winehole23]

You missed the Austin eviction from city hall.

lol local news called it a "dirty, smelly situation."ACLU of Texas, Central Texas Chapter President, Debbie Russell, was arrested for being mouthy with APD. Deb's not smelly that I know of.

[ChumpDumper]

ACLU of Texas, Central Texas Chapter President, Debbie Russell, was arrested for being mouthy with APD. Deb's not smelly that I know of.Drove by around the start of the curfew. The police presence was, um, significant.

No noticeable odor, but I had the windows up.

[ChumpDumper]

Their plan to take revenge on city officials that destroyed their utopia is off to a great start.


When one protester asked those present if they knew who on the Austin City Council was up for re-election, very few hands went up. A similar query about the date of the May 12 election likewise produced a light response, and incorrect information about the actual date.

http://www.statesman.com/news/local/no-arrests-after-tranquil-occupy-austin-regroups-at-2150022.html

[Wild Cobra]

Their plan to take revenge on city officials that destroyed their utopia is off to a great start.



http://www.statesman.com/news/local/no-arrests-after-tranquil-occupy-austin-regroups-at-2150022.html
OMG...

If they aren't voting in elections, what do they expect?

The 99% not voting... Does that mean the 1% are the only ones voting?

[ChumpDumper]

That isn't too far from the truth in Austin.

Well they did march to a homeless shelter to demand and end to homelessness. That'll show...the homeless....?

[Wild Cobra]

I now understand who the 99% are and why I am one of the 1%.

They don't know who they are voting for. They listen to the news, unions, etc. to tell them who to vote for, or vote by party. They don't learn who they are actually voting for. As part of the 1%, I at least do some research as to whom I vote for.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, you're awesome.

Maybe you could start a meme.

[Nbadan]

Political apathy is rampant even in this forum, so why should it be surprising at a OWL movement rally.....still, at least they are taking their first steps toward not being so apathetic about government by gathering and thinking of ways to make government more responsive to voters and not just business.....better than the 'fuck it they are all corrupt' attitude from many posters here

[ChumpDumper]

Political apathy is rampant even in this forum, so why should it be surprising at a OWL movement rally.....still, at least they are taking their first steps toward not being so apathetic about government by gathering and thinking of ways to make government more responsive to voters and not just business.....better than the 'fuck it they are all corrupt' attitude from many posters hereThat's nice, but they've had four months to figure out when the local elections are being held.


http://media2.kxan.com//photo/2011/12/21/Occupy_protesters_go_t6d5c9b8c-8faf-46ab-a0b3-844069ca87500000_20111221183025_640_480.JPG
Paradise Lost

[Nbadan]

Without corporate sponsorship, like the tea potty, they are founding a political movement which could be a dominate force in city, state and national elections for years to come, that takes time...