View Full Version : Rick Perry skipping debates?
JoeChalupa
10-27-2011, 12:20 PM
Now what kind of Texan backs out of a debate?
One that can't hold his own? One who can only via negative ads?
Bad idea IMO.
George Gervin's Afro
10-27-2011, 12:23 PM
but he's got real nice hair!
JoeChalupa
10-27-2011, 12:25 PM
If he doesn't have the juevos to debate then how the hell does expect to be Commander in Chief?
SnakeBoy
10-27-2011, 12:26 PM
Now what kind of Texan backs out of a debate?
One that can't hold his own? One who can only via negative ads?
Bad idea IMO.
Skipping debates and running negative ads is how Perry has remained governor so it shouldn't be a suprise that he's thinking of going back to what has always worked for him.
I agree it's a bad idea now. He might have had better success if he would have followed that tactic from the get go but now it just looks bad for him.
SnakeBoy
10-27-2011, 12:27 PM
Then again, it can't be worse for him than being in the debates has been.
baseline bum
10-27-2011, 12:30 PM
I was frankly surprised he showed up in any of them to begin with. Perry's best chance is to keep holding prayer rallies with that dickhead Hagee.
boutons_deux
10-27-2011, 12:31 PM
It's not a question of juevos, it's that "his people" have realized that the more he opens his mouth, the more his bag-of-hammers stupidity become evident. eg, his birther screw-up.
Winehole23
10-27-2011, 12:35 PM
$15M buys a certain amount of tv time. It'll be interesting to see how Rick Perry chooses to burn a great big pile of OPM.
baseline bum
10-27-2011, 12:37 PM
This sets a disgusting precedent, which I'm sure will be followed in future elections since quick-hit ads are so much easier than answering questions. I'm surprised we even have debates now.
ChumpDumper
10-27-2011, 12:53 PM
I didn't think Perry was capable of this kind of quick self-destruction. He can only now rely on and cultivate the bigoted and ignorant elements of the GOP, which I guess could still be a winning strategy.
boutons_deux
10-27-2011, 12:58 PM
Karl Rove's Secret Ploy?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2011/10/26/karl-rove-attacks-his-fellow-republicans-sarah-palin-rick-perry-herman-cain-to-get-romney-in-white-house/_jcr_content/body/inlineimage.img.jpg/1319685860717.jpg
The superstrategist turned talking head has fired shots at Herman Cain, Sarah Palin, Rick Perry, Donald Trump—calling them the ‘nutty fringe.’ Michelle Cottle asks, is it all a Rove ploy to get Romney to the White House?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/10/26/karl-rove-attacks-his-fellow-republicans-sarah-palin-rick-perry-herman-cain-to-get-romney-in-white-house.print.html
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Again, the nomination is Willard's to lose. He's the Repug mucky-mucks choice.
Das Texan
10-27-2011, 01:01 PM
If there were debates held where he had to yammer on prior to his being given the governor's mansion, he probably would never have gotten it.
SnakeBoy
10-27-2011, 01:41 PM
I didn't think Perry was capable of this kind of quick self-destruction.
Neither did I. I've heard him on interveiws for years and it's not like he can't form coherent sentences. I knew debates weren't his strong suit but wasn't expecting him to be this bad.
cheguevara
10-27-2011, 01:53 PM
yup keep his mouth shut, that is the best chance he's got.
as soon as he open his mouth, it's facepalm time
coyotes_geek
10-27-2011, 02:00 PM
Neither did I. I've heard him on interveiws for years and it's not like he can't form coherent sentences. I knew debates weren't his strong suit but wasn't expecting him to be this bad.
Agreed. He always held his own in interviews.
Skipping the debates is pretty chickenshit, but the way he keeps getting destroyed it's pretty much his only option at this point.
This really doesn't suprise me at all. It doesn't get any weaker than this.
baseline bum
10-27-2011, 02:36 PM
He can just go Palin now and complain about the gotcha media asking him unfair questions in the debates.
Agloco
10-27-2011, 04:57 PM
Now what kind of Texan backs out of a debate?
One that can't hold his own? One who can only via negative ads?
Bad idea IMO.
His team is beginning to realize that debates are a major point of weakness for him. He either comes off as too passive or as a complete douche. imo its a good move to protect him from that.
Wild Cobra
10-28-2011, 02:01 AM
Now what kind of Texan backs out of a debate?
One that can't hold his own? One who can only via negative ads?
Bad idea IMO.
Must not have his six shooter with him.
boutons_deux
10-28-2011, 04:42 AM
oops, Jimmy Ricky distancing himself from 10therism, maybe he's realized there's not enough tea bagging extremists to outvote the 65+ Medicare gang?
Tentherism Is So Toxic, Even Rick Perry Abandons It
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/rickperry_gun_tp3-feature-single-three.jpg
Perry is also an ambitious politician who doubtless read the Tea Party’s tea leaves and determined that it was in his political interest to come out as a tenther. Now that his campaign has run seriously off the rails, however, even Perry appears to recognize that outing himself as a tenther was not such a good way to advance his political career. Although Perry’s recently released economic plan would unquestionably be the most radical assault on America’s social safety net in nearly a century if it ever became law, it is also strangely moderate compared to Perry’s previous stance that Medicare, Social Security, and much of our educational infrastructure must be eliminated entirely because they are unconstitutional:
Social Security: As Travis Waldron reported yesterday, Perry’s new position on Social Security is a George W. Bush-esque proposal to turn millions of Americans’ retirement funds over to Wall Street through privatization. This is a dangerous and radical idea, but it is a far cry from Perry’s original position that the very idea of providing Social Security to America’s seniors is an “assault” on the Constitution itself.
Medicare: Perry also supports a number of terrible Medicare proposals, including a Paul Ryan-style plan to voucherize Medicare, “gradually raising the age of Medicare eligibility,” and reducing benefits for many seniors. These proposals could potentially phase out Medicare over time depending on how closely they map Ryan’s subtle plan to gradually eliminate Medicare. Nevertheless, Perry’s new willingness to allow something that vaguely resembles Medicare to continue to exist is a step back from his previous claim that Medicare “eroded our founding fathers’ boundaries that they had put upon the federal government.”
Education: Perry also proposes cutting $25 billion in federal education funds — or about half of all funding for elementary and secondary education programs. This new position is only about 50 percent as radical as his previous statement that “I don’t think the federal government has a role in your children’s education.”
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/10/26/353785/tentherism-is-so-toxic-even-rick-perry-abandons-it/
JoeChalupa
10-28-2011, 09:49 AM
Perry had the worse week ever. :lol
scott
10-28-2011, 11:45 AM
Skipping debates and running negative ads is how Perry has remained governor so it shouldn't be a suprise that he's thinking of going back to what has always worked for him.
I agree it's a bad idea now. He might have had better success if he would have followed that tactic from the get go but now it just looks bad for him.
This. It got him to be Texas Governor for 10 years. I am shocked by the lack of shock over this by anyone who thinks this is at all a head scratcher.
boutons_deux
10-28-2011, 12:08 PM
Taibbi Naming Names
Rick Perry: The Best Little Whore In Texas
The Texas governor has one driving passion: selling off government to the highest bidder
We thought Bush was the worst thing Texas ever gave to America. But if Rick Perry wins the White House, it won't be long before we're all remembering crazy-ass W. and his loony Iraq crusade with something like fondness. Bush, for all his flaws, actually believed in something, and was filled with humanity – negative humanity, mostly, but it was there all the same. Good ol' George, the ex-drunk who loved football, couldn't speak English, choked on his pretzels and sincerely wanted to save Iraq from itself!
There were lines even George Bush wouldn't cross, but we don't know any that exist for Rick Perry. Imagine what he could charge for abolishing the EPA, or selling Mount Rushmore to the Sultan of Brunei. And while he may have slipped in the polls, he's far from done. In this country, you never count out the lowest common denominator, especially when it knows how to raise money.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/rick-perry-the-best-little-whore-in-texas-20111026?print=true
boutons_deux
10-28-2011, 12:18 PM
Rick Perry’s Environmental Commission: Climate Threat Is ‘Unsettled Science’
Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX) has stacked his administration with global warming deniers. As a result, scientific warnings about the threat of man-made climate change to Texans is being censored. The Texas Commission on Environmental Quality expurgated mentions of sea level rise caused by global warming in a report on the future of Galveston Bay. The climate scientists involved have removed their names from the paper. At a hearing this week, the commissioners and the scientists publicly confronted each other. L’Oreal Stepney, deputy director of the Office of Water at the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality, told NPR the commission censored the report because climate change is “unsettled science“:
It’s unsettled science, in our opinion, and that’s our position, and we’ve been clear about that.
“I think the travesty here is that this chapter was actually written for teachers,” climate scientist John Anderson said at the hearing. “They’re my target audience, and this to me is just an outward attempt to keep scientific information, scientific fact, from getting into classrooms.”
http://thinkprogress.org/green/2011/10/28/356080/rick-perrys-environmental-commission-climate-threat-is-unsettled-science/
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All of TX is a whore turning tricks for BigOil
Perry may be flip flopping on the whole idea. He knows he has to debate to have a realistic chance.
Winehole23
10-28-2011, 03:10 PM
Hyperbolic (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/rick-perry-the-best-little-whore-in-texas-20111026), but contains interesting details
ChumpDumper
10-28-2011, 03:19 PM
Perry may be flip flopping on the whole idea. He knows he has to debate to have a realistic chance.:lmao so decisive!
He might as well resort to self-immolation at the next debate.
baseline bum
10-28-2011, 04:37 PM
Favors are the one consistent thread running through Perry's political career. Throughout his time as governor, whenever his ideology or his religion comes into conflict with the need to give a handout to a major campaign donor, ideology and religion lose every single time.
Though 94 percent of schools in Texas teach a sex-ed curriculum based on abstinence-only – an approach that led one watchdog group to conclude that "shaming and fear-based instruction are the standard means of teaching students about sexuality" in Texas – Perry nonetheless signed an executive order mandating that those same girls subjected to those abstinence-only classes receive an STD vaccine. You can't talk about STDs to sixth-grade girls, but if it's worth $120 a shot to a pharmaceutical company like Merck, you can jam the birds-and-the-bees lesson right into their arms.
:lol
Winehole23
10-29-2011, 11:46 AM
Perry has, in short, positioned himself as the most survivable repository of anti-Romney hopes in the GOP. And there are a lot of Republicans who hold such hopes. If Bachmann is forced to quit the race due to money and staff troubles, if the Cain train goes off the rails, if Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum continue to exist as debate presences only, lacking campaign organizations — and with Palin and Christie staying home — then Perry can confidently expect to rise again.
The jobs plan, tax plan, and birther comments are all elements of the same plan. They are signaling devices. They announce: I'm still here. Despite the soft line on illegal immigration demanded by my big Texas donors, I share more of your values than that shape-shifting Mitt Romney. I'm the guy who will wage the most savage campaign against President Obama. Forget Cain. Come home.
So when economists and other pencil-pushers complain that Perry's plans don't add up — that they are founded on laughable assumptions and plain just don't make sense — those economists are not wrong exactly, just beside the point. On their own terms, the plans do make sense. They exist not as a basis for government, but as a device for campaigning; not to persuade experts, but to excite primary voters. So Mr. Numbers Man, when you test the Perry plans and reject them as unappetizing, just remember, you were warned: They weren't for you.http://theweek.com/bullpen/column/220719/the-true-intent-of-rick-perrys-tax-plan/2
boutons_deux
10-29-2011, 12:09 PM
"Despite the soft line on illegal immigration demanded by my big Texas donors"
What?
That means I've been right all along about why Repugs have done fuck all about immigration since 2000, while suckering racist bubbas into voting with illegal immigrant propaganda. The Repug businessmen/donors profit very well from, exploit illegal immigrant labor. They don't want to lose those profits, they don't want the illegals deported.
ChuckD
10-29-2011, 12:13 PM
I feel like a high school cheerleader who just had her leg jizzed on in the back of a convertible. That's it? It's over? That was Rick Perry's stump speech?
:lol:rollin Rolling Stone, still bringing the goods...
boutons_deux
10-30-2011, 12:41 PM
He says he's good for 5 more debates, will become a good debater, and will beat Obama in a debate. As we said, he should keep his dumb mouth shut.
Perry: Ending The Iraq War Is ‘Irresponsible,’ ‘Putting Our Kids’ Lives In Jeopardy’
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After President Obama announced that he is ending the Iraq War, virtually all of the Republican presidential candidates piled on in criticizing the move, even though two-thirds of Americans oppose the war. Mitt Romney called the decision an “astonishing failure” driven either by “naked political calculation or sheer ineptitude.” Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) also called it a “complete failure,” while Rick Santorum said the U.S had “lost the war in Iraq.”
Today on Fox News Sunday, Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) told host Chris Wallace that Obama was flat-out “irresponsible” for bringing the troops home, because, he argued, it is “putting our kids’ lives in jeopardy”:
PERRY: The idea that a commander-in-chief would stand up and signal to the enemy a date certain of when we’re going to pull our troops out I think is irresponsible. You need to be talking to your commanders in the field. You need to be working with the experts who understand what is going on in those countries, for instance. We need to finish our mission in Iraq and Afghanistan. You better believe I want out kids home as soon as we can and safe. But to give that signal that we’re pulling them out is bad public policy and, more importantly, it’s putting our kids lives in jeopardy[...]
He has lost his standing from the standpoint of being a commander-in-chief who has any idea about what’s going on in those theaters. He’s making mistakes that are putting our kids that in theater and I think future issues dealing with whether it’s in the Middle East or the south China Sea with our allies, putting all of that in jeopardy because of this unwavering, or I should say this wavering or this aimless approach to foreign policy which he has.
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2011/10/30/356690/perry-obama-irresponsible-on-iraq/
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So all the Repug candidiates are trashing the dubya/Repug SOFA as "losing the war".
They always expect Human-Americans to be a dumb as the politicians are evil liars, and with their base, they are expecting accurately.
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