LOL Tebow

[DMC]

:lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lmao

[slick'81]

Lol teblow

[Nathan89]

Tebow is going to be crucified.

[DMC]

It's what God wanted.

[LnGrrrR]

Bet fans wished they weren't so quick to pull the trigger on Orton now...

[Nathan89]

Why he was 1-4?

Might as well go with the unknown.

[Nathan89]

To be fair the entire team blows.

[DMC]

Why he was 1-4?

Might as well go with the unknown.

Why? Because he's in the NFL now.

[DMC]

To be fair the entire team blows.
True, but when are people going to learn that the majority of these corn fed Jethro Bodine looking motherfuckers who run and throw all over the NCAA don't amount to shit in the NFL?

Just ask Vince Young.

[Nathan89]

Orton= doesn't work
Tebow=?

Not hard for me to decide. He has won games already as a starter. His team lacks talent. They trade the best WR. They throw him into a offense that isn't shaped for him. Problems will happen.

[DMC]

Orton= doesn't work
Tebow=?

Not hard for me to decide. He has won games already as a starter. His team lacks talent. They trade the best WR. They throw him into a offense that isn't shaped for him. Problems will happen.

Young/Vick

Neither are great QBs, but that what you have and you make it work or you stop paying them.

[Mel_13]

http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/70/703ab69ae21bd20ee9f0ead307681865/stephen_tulloch_sacks_tim_tebow_then_tebows_all_ov er_him.jpg

[Bill_Brasky]

To be fair the entire team blows.

Tebow wasnt good but he was far from the only problem.

[4>0rings]

Has Tebow ever thrown a perfect spiral? I thought this was universaly taught to you by the time you turn 10.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Orton= doesn't work
Tebow=?

Not hard for me to decide. He has won games already as a starter. His team lacks talent. They trade the best WR. They throw him into a offense that isn't shaped for him. Problems will happen.
What kind of offense is exactly "shaped" for Tebow that isn't predominantly a college offense?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol classic Tebow fanboy logic

When Tebow loses with the Broncos' shit roster, "The team sucks :cry nothing he can do :cry"

When Orton loses with the Broncos' shit roster, "It's obvious Orton can't win at all and he should be benched because all these losses are on him :madrun:madrun:madrun"

[Bill_Brasky]

So basically, kyle orton sucks just as bad if not worse than tim tebow.

[4>0rings]

So basically, kyle orton sucks just as bad if not worse than tim tebow.
Or in other words, the verteran QB, Orton, is no better than a rookie QB with no QB qualities needed for the NFL and playing his 5th start.

[Bill_Brasky]

Or in other words, the verteran QB, Orton, is no better than a rookie QB with no QB qualities needed for the NFL and playing his 5th start.

To be fair hes not a rookie anymore, but he might as well be

[Halberto]

http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/70/703ab69ae21bd20ee9f0ead307681865/stephen_tulloch_sacks_tim_tebow_then_tebows_all_ov er_him.jpg


:lol

[Kai]

John Fox just doing this to avoid backlash when they ship his ass out.

[jeebus]

Has Tebow ever thrown a perfect spiral? I thought this was universaly taught to you by the time you turn 10.

Pam Anderson's vagina is tighter than Tebitch's spiral.

lol he was -7 for throwing yards at one point in the 2nd or 3rd quarter. Teblow :lol

[LakerHater]

http://i.imgur.com/8Djew.gif

[HarlemHeat37]

Tebow has regressed heavily from last year, he looks terrible..

It doesn't help that he plays for the worst coach in the NFL..a coach that is now 4-19 in his last 23 games, and has yet to adapt to today's NFL..

It's amazing how bad this team is, from top to bottom..McDaniels and Bowlen have destroyed the franchise..

[Girasuck]

What's sad is that Tebow has given me more fantasy points the last two weeks than Jay Cutler has all season.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I don't see the end game with Timmy. With two-three years of intense coaching he might become a 53% passer?

He looks exactly like he did in college except now he's not the best athlete on the field.

What happened to changing his throwing motion? Does he have the worst swing coach in the league?

Dude can't make simple 2 WR reads and takes sacks in max protect.

Brutal.

[JMarkJohns]

EDIT: Nevermind. Assholes got a hold of the site and have turned into into a redirect for some gay porn. Whatever.

The idea of "__________ > Tebow" is a classic idea, though.

[JMarkJohns]

Shit. Somebody got cute and inserted a youtube clip and screwed it all up. Not the same now. Kind of sucks, actually.

[Dr. Gonzo]

They are knocking the shit out of him.

[Pelicans78]

He's playing solid. Not pretty, but not nearly as brutal as the previous weeks.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

He's really not playing that badly.

[IronMexican]

My fucking god.

I hate this Raider team. So talented and so stupid.

[Pelicans78]

Tebow willed Royal into making that return for a TD. Good for Tebow.

[IronMexican]

Done with this Raider team.

Nothing to look forward to.

[Nathan89]

Tebow first QB this season with over 100 yards rushing.

[HarlemHeat37]

Looked solid today..main improvement was reading the blitz and throwing the ball quickly, and throwing the ball away when there was no available play..he only had one horrible throw, which was a relief..

Hopefully he builds on this game, he still needs to improve his accuracy, which won't happen overnight..

Playcalling was great in the 3rd, which was part of the reason Tebow looked better(designed plays outside of the packet, screens, etc)..he looked worse when the playcalling regressed to the usual stupidity..

[Dr. Gonzo]

He didn't look all that horrible. He looked bad but not horrible. That's an improvement.

[DMC]

Tebow first QB this season with over 100 yards rushing.
Rushing yards for QBs often come as a result of broken plays and lack of trust in the offensive line.

[Bill_Brasky]

Rushing yards for QBs often come as a result of broken plays and lack of trust in the offensive line.

.....and the qb being 6'4, 235 lbs.

[Kyle Orton]

Tebow is just another white player playin a shitty brand of n igger ball

[DMC]

.....and the qb being 6'4, 235 lbs.
That's small in the NFL. Vince Young learned that the hard way.

Number 1 rushing QB of all time? Randall Cunningham. Steve Young and John Elway could run the ball, but they could also pass the fuck out of it and knew how to run the offense. Rushing wasn't their first option.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I haven't seen a QB this protected in a long, long time.

First team not to complete a pass in the 1st half since the 2005 9ers.

Broncos haven't completed a pass since the 6:39 mark of the 3rd Q in last week's game.

And there's only 5 minutes left in the 3rd Q of the KC game as I type this.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

^:lmao holy shit

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

No worries. Timmy completed his first pass.

End of the 3rd and he's 1/7 for 13 yards.

Easy to build around that type of QB play.

[Bill_Brasky]

I haven't seen a QB this protected in a long, long time.

First team not to complete a pass in the 1st half since the 2005 9ers.

Broncos haven't completed a pass since the 6:39 mark of the 3rd Q in last week's game.

And there's only 5 minutes left in the 3rd Q of the KC game as I type this.

Thats pretty bad :lol

Hes Jesus in the 4th quarter doe!

[Nathan89]

that being said...

Winning

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I don't even know why I'm watching this pile of shit game.

Denver: 47 rushes, 7 passes

And KC is just bad enough not to be able to do anything about it.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

And he throws a 56 yard TD pass for his 2nd completion.

How bad are you, KC?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Better question is how KC was .500 entering this game

[DAF86]

LOL If Denver somehow makes the playoffs

[Bill_Brasky]

And he throws a 56 yard TD pass for his 2nd completion.

How bad are you, KC?

4th quarter jesus strikes again!

[DAF86]

Maybe God does exist (?)

[IronMexican]

Dirty, boring, floppers, etc...


W.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

It reminds of watching Nebraska in the 80s.

QBs for shit but they ran so well there was always one or two over the top throws in almost every game.

[Nathan89]

:cheer
Tebow he's our man
if he can't do it no one can
4 games are gone and what has he done
oh not much just three and one
:cheer

[HarlemHeat37]

I love this man, so fucking clutch..

The division title is next..

[703 Spurz]

I love this man, so fucking clutch..

The division title is next..

Right. He went 1 for 7 on purpose just to fuck the Chiefs on one TD pass to finish 2 for 8. That was totally the plan

[DAF86]

Tebow time baby.

[Nathan89]

Clutch.

[ducks]

20 yard run on 3 and 4 at the 20 against the jets for the w

man has ugly stats but wins

[ducks]

how many touchdowns has tebow had running and throwing

[DAF86]

If Denver makes the playoffs I'll start believing in God, a team making the playoffs with no passing game is the miracle needed to turn me into a believer.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Tim Tebow makes me want to be a better Christian.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I don't understand what I'm watching when I watch Tebow play.

Thought there was no way in Hell they'd win this game playing against the Jets' D..

Credit to Denver's D.

I really like 58, though he got away with some way late hits tonight.

[Pelicans78]

The problem with the Jets is Mark Sanchez. For a guy who was a top 5 pick, he's a below average QB who happens to make mistakes. Tebow is a below average passer, but he's not turning the ball over.

[Pelicans78]

John Fox has lost alot of weight.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Don't get me wrong, Sanchez does blow, but the Jets have a lot of issues.

OL isn't as good as the last two years(Hello, Hunter), RBs have taken a step back, pass rush sucks, zero depth(tends to happen when you trade up every year) and brutal safety play.

The only two units worth a damn are the OL and CBs. Outside of those, it's a lot of meh.

[Pelicans78]

Don't get me wrong, Sanchez does blow, but the Jets have a lot of issues.

OL isn't as good as the last two years(Hello, Hunter), RBs have taken a step back, pass rush sucks, zero depth(tends to happen when you trade up every year) and brutal safety play.

The only two units worth a damn are the OL and CBs. Outside of those, it's a lot of meh.

That's true. That's why Sanchez needed to step up this season. The team carried him the last two seasons and it was his turn this season to take control. He was the 4th pick overall in the draft. At some point, he had to become the guy for the Jets to become successful long-term and it hasn't happened. He's a mental midget.

[DAF86]

I want Tebow and the Broncos to do well 'cause I have fun watching them play but I don't see how they can keep this up throwing for 100 yds per game.

[BRHornet45]

haters gonna hate, but that honky is stuntin

[Pelicans78]

I want Tebow and the Broncos to do well 'cause I have fun watching them play but I don't see how they can keep this up throwing for 100 yds per game.

The defense and the lack of turnovers on offense is keeping the game close for the Broncos in the 4th quarter. If the defense struggles, the Broncos will be screwed because then they will need big plays from the passing game.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Sanchez really struggles with his reads and I don't think he's a thinking man's QB. But the Jets have done a terrible job surrounding him with playmakers. It's been a revolving door at WR for them the last few years.

Sanchez has made progress, but it's been a painfully slow process. It wouldn't surprise me to see him lead a team to a SB ... when he's 30+ after boucing around a time or two.

[DAF86]

If Fisher had given Young the chance of running this triple option play and made all the changes the Broncos' coaches made to take advantage of Tebow's skillset he would still have a job.

[LnGrrrR]

TeBOW DOWN

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

It's still early. DCs aren't stupid fuckers and will adjust to it as they see more film.

It won't last long if he doesn't improve drastically throwing the ball.

[LnGrrrR]

Tim Tebow makes me want to be a better Christian.

So you can start for an NFL team despite limited decision-making capabilities and physical attributes? :D

[HarlemHeat37]

Vince Young is a mentally weak pussy that tried to kill himself..let's not infect this Tebow thread..

The Broncos playcalling is actually terrible..Tebow is a severely flawed passer, but he looks even worse due to the playcalling and lack of weapons around him..the change in scheme was good, but the plays are still up and down..the 1st drive of the game was great playcalling, they need to stick with it..

Tebow has actually shown he can pass..the problem is that he can't do it on a consistent basis..it's difficult to pass, using your own strengths, when the OC doesn't know how to run a bootleg or play-action, or anything creative..Tebow obviously still needs a lot of work though, especially with throwing balls in the dirt..

The reason the Broncos are winning is because of the defense..Von Miller is a beast, Dumervil is regaining form, Bunkley has been one of the best off-season additions(:lol Eagles), and Bailey is playing like he's in his prime..the Broncos are a safety and corner away from having a dominant defense..

Also, they have the best punter in the NFL, so that always helps..

Tebow is making clutch time plays, that's all he needs to do, for the time being..the defense will continue to dominate, until they face dominant teams(thankfully, the AFC is weak right now)..

[DAF86]

VY was also a better passer than Tebow but ok I'll leave it at that 'cause I'm good with you and Tebow.

[Sean Cagney]

The problem with the Jets is Mark Sanchez. For a guy who was a top 5 pick, he's a below average QB who happens to make mistakes. Tebow is a below average passer, but he's not turning the ball over.

Yep they will never win a title with this SANCHEZ! Maybe if he improved alot, but he so far is very dissapointing in this league! VERY much so.

[benefactor]

Consider this: If you combined the passing stats of Mark Sanchez and Tim Tebow into one NFL QB (who we'll call Mim Sanchbow), you'd have the second-most pass attempts in the NFL (403, trailing only Drew Brees' 422), but you'd be tied for the fourth-most completions (216), making Mim Sanchbow's completion percentage (52.5%) worse than every qualifying QB save for Blaine Gabbert. Mim's 21 TDs would be fourth in the league, while his 10 interceptions would be tied for seventh-most. In fact, the only category where Mim would lead the league would be in number of times sacked (36).

That's 13 started games' worth of stats from two NFL QBs, and they would not lead the league in anything that mattered. Yikes.

http://www.battleredblog.com/2011/11/17/2569936/thursday-night-football-open-thread-jets-broncos

:lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

If Fisher had given Young the chance
Wow, scapegoating Jeff Fisher for VY being a horrible QB, I've never seen that one before, what an original argument!

lol using Jeff Fisher as the excuse for Vince Young when Tim Tebow's coach is even worse than Fisher when it comes to hating flashy QBs

I'm sure Jeff Fisher is why Vince Young is a 3rd string QB behind that Kafka faggot

[Blake]

If Fisher had given Young the chance of running this triple option play and made all the changes the Broncos' coaches made to take advantage of Tebow's skillset he would still have a job.

I thought all VY did was just win

[weebo]

A BIG LMAO @ Tebow taking a major shit on all the naysayers:lmao

[Blake]

A BIG LMAO @ Tebow taking a major shit on all the naysayers:lmao

lol Tebow shitting on the Broncos hopes to draft Luck right before he heads back to 3rd string status

[Pelicans78]

Actually VY and Tebow's success boils down to a few things. Both guys didn't turn the ball over, but also VY had a strong running game, strong defense, and a kicker who made everything. Wasn't like VY won a lot of shootouts. Same case with Tebow. Running the ball well, he's not making turnovers, defense is playing really well, and they have a good kicker.

[Pelicans78]

Vince Young is a mentally weak pussy that tried to kill himself..let's not infect this Tebow thread..

The Broncos playcalling is actually terrible..Tebow is a severely flawed passer, but he looks even worse due to the playcalling and lack of weapons around him..the change in scheme was good, but the plays are still up and down..the 1st drive of the game was great playcalling, they need to stick with it..

Tebow has actually shown he can pass..the problem is that he can't do it on a consistent basis..it's difficult to pass, using your own strengths, when the OC doesn't know how to run a bootleg or play-action, or anything creative..Tebow obviously still needs a lot of work though, especially with throwing balls in the dirt..

The reason the Broncos are winning is because of the defense..Von Miller is a beast, Dumervil is regaining form, Bunkley has been one of the best off-season additions(:lol Eagles), and Bailey is playing like he's in his prime..the Broncos are a safety and corner away from having a dominant defense..

Also, they have the best punter in the NFL, so that always helps..

Tebow is making clutch time plays, that's all he needs to do, for the time being..the defense will continue to dominate, until they face dominant teams(thankfully, the AFC is weak right now)..

Pretty spot on post.

[weebo]

lol Tebow shitting on the Broncos hopes to draft Luck right before he heads back to 3rd string status

Not too worry...ever since the colts knew PM would be out for the year they put that shit on lock
:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

[weebo]

Actually VY and Tebow's success boils down to a few things. Both guys didn't turn the ball over, but also VY had a strong running game, strong defense, and a kicker who made everything. Wasn't like VY won a lot of shootouts. Same case with Tebow. Running the ball well, he's not making turnovers, defense is playing really well, and they have a good kicker.

who cares? You play to win the game.
:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

[stretch]

Tebow can play football. He can't pass for shit, but the dude is just a pure football player. How that will work for him being a QB for a long career? Odd's aren't good, but as much as he got on my nerves when he was in college (mainly due to the knobslobbing by the media), he definitely has won me over as a fan. Hard worker, hates losing, plays his ass off every play. As much as I like VY, if he had half the mentality Tebow has, he would be a top QB in the NFL. It just pisses me off so much more about VY for how naturally gifted and talented he is, to piss it away being stupid, while Tebow is not very talented, but finds a way to maximize what talents he has.

[Pelicans78]

who cares? You play to win the game.
:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

That is true, but eventually, the QB will have to win by big passing games. Look at the Jets. They were winning with a strong defense, running etc while Sanchez just managed the games. Now with team around him struggling, Sanchez needs to step his game up and become a big time passer, especially being a top 5 pick in the draft.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Actually VY and Tebow's success boils down to a few things. Both guys didn't turn the ball over, but also VY had a strong running game, strong defense, and a kicker who made everything. Wasn't like VY won a lot of shootouts. Same case with Tebow. Running the ball well, he's not making turnovers, defense is playing really well, and they have a good kicker.
VY didn't turn the ball over via interceptions but he's an extremely fumble prone QB. he turned the ball over a lot more than Tebow does.

[Blake]

Tebow = Avery Johnson

[vander]

it's just so sad, if he could throw even remotely, REMOTELY accurately, he might actually make it as an NFL QB, and Denver would be a really dangerous team too.

I'm surprised how much better the rest of the team seems to be playing with him under center vs. Orton, I didn't think that rah! rah! charisma/leadership stuff would have any effect in the pros

[Jose Canseco]

To do it once is something. But for god to give up his only son to mankind twice. That's special.

Big ups to god!

[leemajors]

it's just so sad, if he could throw even remotely, REMOTELY accurately, he might actually make it as an NFL QB, and Denver would be a really dangerous team too.

I'm surprised how much better the rest of the team seems to be playing with him under center vs. Orton, I didn't think that rah! rah! charisma/leadership stuff would have any effect in the pros

he just has no touch.

[DAF86]

Consider this: If you combined the passing stats of Mark Sanchez and Tim Tebow into one NFL QB (who we'll call Mim Sanchbow), you'd have the second-most pass attempts in the NFL (403, trailing only Drew Brees' 422), but you'd be tied for the fourth-most completions (216), making Mim Sanchbow's completion percentage (52.5%) worse than every qualifying QB save for Blaine Gabbert. Mim's 21 TDs would be fourth in the league, while his 10 interceptions would be tied for seventh-most. In fact, the only category where Mim would lead the league would be in number of times sacked (36).

That's 13 started games' worth of stats from two NFL QBs, and they would not lead the league in anything that mattered. Yikes.

http://www.battleredblog.com/2011/11/17/2569936/thursday-night-football-open-thread-jets-broncos

:lol

They would tied in 1st place for wins.

[Blake]

They would tied in 1st place for wins.

it makes one wonder how guys that just win keep getting bashed.

[DAF86]

I'ts a sad World we live in.

[LnGrrrR]

Te-BOW DOWN

[weebo]

That is true, but eventually, the QB will have to win by big passing games. Look at the Jets. They were winning with a strong defense, running etc while Sanchez just managed the games. Now with team around him struggling, Sanchez needs to step his game up and become a big time passer, especially being a top 5 pick in the draft.

Tebow can run with the football so he has something that Sanchez doesn't have. That is what he's good at and should keep doing it until defenses stop him.
Tebow whether you like it or not is leading his team to victory.He may not be getting style points for doing it by almost everyone but who really cares??? The guy is winning and that's all that should matter.

[Monostradamus]

How come, just like with VY, as soon as there's success with Tebow automatically the excuse is "the defense is playing fantastic"? Nobody was singing the praises of Denver's defense when they were getting their ass beat 45-10. Every other QB of every other team gets credit when their team wins, except Tebow and Vince Young and then suddenly it's the defense that wins.

I hate Tebow, but he's a leader and a winner, and he's obviously inspired the entire team.

[Blake]

Tebow can run with the football so he has something that Sanchez doesn't have. That is what he's good at and should keep doing it until defenses stop him.
Tebow whether you like it or not is leading his team to victory.He may not be getting style points for doing it by almost everyone but who really cares??? The guy is winning and that's all that should matter.

winning playoff games and Super Bowls is all that matters.

Jets, Dolphins and Chiefs all suck. Lions exposed him.

I can almost guarantee that he'll be back on the bench within the next 15 games.

[Monostradamus]

winning playoff games and Super Bowls is all that matters.

Jets, Dolphins and Chiefs all suck. Lions exposed him.

I can almost guarantee that he'll be back on the bench within the next 15 games.

and Graham Harrell will be just a phone call away!

[Blake]

and Graham Harrell will be just a phone call away!

having a guy with a Super Bowl ring on your roster never hurts

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Harrell has as many starting playoff wins as Tebow and VY combined.

All Harrell does is win

[Monostradamus]

lmao after Vince beats the Giants on Sunday night I'm going HAM on all of you.

[Blake]

Not if vince offs himself first

[Dr. Gonzo]

Tebow is the anti-VY. They play the same type of game, neither can throw a decent pass but Tebow has a work ethic and doesn't have a sense of entitlement. This will make Tebow a just below average QB in this league for a number of years. VY will probably be partying with Akili Smith and JaMarcus Russell in a couple of seasons.

[Nathan89]

LOL sorry ass receivers not catching the ball on third down to get a 1st down. Also the 1st down would have put them in fg position even if they didn't go any further.

Refs missed a facemask on Tebow.

[Nathan89]

Tebow doing what he does in the clutch. They seriously need to allow him to throw the ball more. When they do he has been successful.

Game should be tied but denver receiver dropped that very important ball for a 1st down earlier.

[Nathan89]

Garbage receivers dropping another pass that should have got them a 1st down.

So frustrating.

[ducks]

when tebow gets to throw the ball he has made the throws
his receivers are dropping the ball
he made cricitally third down throws to move the chains only for them to drop them
when will fox let him throw the ball
he has to be te worse coach in the nfl behind only nov

[ducks]

tebow is 5-10 now 4 drops
his first throw if the game was bad other then that he has been on target
but his passing sucks LOL

[Nathan89]

Chargers miss fg.

TEBOW TIME!!!

[ducks]

chargers will blow it
I hope
it is time for them to fire the gm and coach
charger fans deserve a new gm and coach

[DAF86]

WTF? That may have been the clearest pass interferance in history and the ref 5 yards from the play doesn't call it.

[Nathan89]

Refs couldn't pull the trigger. Fat-ass wanted to hold when Tebow would have probably got the first down. At the very least a mid 40's fg.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol Nathan89 ignoring the Vince Young thread after his retarded post at the beginning of the game

[Nathan89]

WTF? That may have been the clearest pass interferance in history and the ref 5 yards from the play doesn't call it.

He punk out. He just couldn't throw the flag. Refs like him should be fired. A missed call like that really shows he shouldn't be reffing.

[Nathan89]

hell yeah

hope he's not hurt to badly

[Nathan89]

This really is good stuff. Shouldn't even be in this position though.

[LakerHater]

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/901793/tebow1_medium.gif

[JayTheClown]

Damn, Tebow throws the most interceptable (if there is such a word) looking balls I have ever seen.

There so slow moving

[ducks]

now rivers will throw his int and denver will run it back for a touchdown

that is how the chargers season is going
all there losses have been 7 points or less

[ducks]

turner is a fucking idiot

[JayTheClown]

LOL country ass ref getting the rule wrong

[Nathan89]

lol worst angles in the world being indisputable evidence.

[Nathan89]

Well that sucks.

[Pelicans78]

No it wasn't Nathan. That was an easy call.

Lol Fox.

BTW, awful 3rd down call by Turner. Ridiculous.

[Pelicans78]

Lol Norv playing for a field goal. Loser.

[Nathan89]

Come Tebow.

I hate the fact that this game might end in a tie. What kinda shit is that?

They should have just called the obvious pass interference earlier.

[Nathan89]

No it wasn't Nathan. That was an easy call.

Lol Fox.

BTW, awful 3rd down call by Turner. Ridiculous.

I didn't think he made the first. I just don't know about overturning it from what they showed me. They may have had different angles.

[vander]

all Tim Tebow does is win games

[DAF86]

Crofl Fox, Denver would have won it on a FG kick block and return. Hope They can pull it anyways.

[Nathan89]

Huge baby. Just plug it up the middle and line up the fg.

[Pelicans78]

Yeah, Norv basically didn't let Rivers win this game.

[Killakobe81]

Tebow does it again ...

[Pelicans78]

I didn't think he made the first. I just don't know about overturning it from what they showed me. They may have had different angles.

His elbow hit the ground and the ball was clearly seen.

The defense and Willis carry Tebow again.

[DAF86]

God is real!!!

[DAF86]

If only Cutler wouldn't have got injured.

[Nathan89]

His elbow hit the ground and the ball was clearly seen.

The defense and Willis carry Tebow again.

GGXzlRoNtHU&ob=av3e

It's not Tebow's fault his receivers can't catch critical passes. Also the fact that the refs didn't want to call pass interference.

5-1

[BanditHiro]

Tebow with some pretty clutch hand-offs tonight

[Bill_Brasky]

5-1

Can he really keep this up for much longer?

[DAF86]

Tebow with some pretty clutch hand-offs tonight

Don't underestimate the importance of his reads on those option plays.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

5-1

Can he really keep this up for much longer?


If the Broncos D can limit opposing offenses to <16 points, then yes.

[DAF86]

5-1

Can he really keep this up for much longer?

I think that if Fox loses Tebow's reins a bit he could.

[Pelicans78]

Tebow isn't the first guy to win with a great defense and running game and limit turnovers. But good for him for doing so because there have been guys who aren't as successful.

[ducks]

I hate nov

[jag]

Tebow isn't the first guy to win with a great defense and running game and limit turnovers. But good for him for doing so because there have been guys who aren't as successful.

Kyle Orton comes to mind.

[DarkReign]

Tebow isn't the first guy to win with a great defense and running game and limit turnovers. But good for him for doing so because there have been guys who aren't as successful.


Kyle Orton comes to mind.

The biggest benefactor I can think of in modern history is the Bucs quarterback on their Superbowl team.

Fuck, my memory is failing me....cant believe I have to google this...

Brad Johnson.

[DeadlyDynasty]

The biggest benefactor I can think of in modern history is the Bucs quarterback on their Superbowl team.

Fuck, my memory is failing me....cant believe I have to google this...

Brad Johnson.

Trent Dilfer in 2000 and Ben Roethlisberger in 2005 were also caretaker QBs that come to mind

[stretch]

Eli in 2008

[pawe]

5-1 as a starter. Go Tebow!
Show the haters how the power of prayer works.

[vato loco]

The biggest benefactor I can think of in modern history is the Bucs quarterback on their Superbowl team.

Fuck, my memory is failing me....cant believe I have to google this...

Brad Johnson.

i don't think the comparison to brad johnson or trent dilfer has much merit other than the fact that they weren't great passers, just like tebow

other than that i think both the buc's and raven's D were clearly better, those two defenses were some of the best we've seen over the past 20 yrs...denver's D has been solid since tebow took over but i don't think they're as dominant as those two were

also tebow is much more of a leader than those two were, and has more playmaking ability especially with his legs...the comparison to 05' big ben is somewhat more accurate imo, which isn't all that bad.

[Bill_Brasky]

Their new aggy has been doing absolute work too.

[Blake]

i don't think the comparison to brad johnson or trent dilfer has much merit other than the fact that they weren't great passers, just like tebow

other than that i think both the buc's and raven's D were clearly better, those two defenses were some of the best we've seen over the past 20 yrs...denver's D has been solid since tebow took over but i don't think they're as dominant as those two were

also tebow is much more of a leader than those two were, and has more playmaking ability especially with his legs...the comparison to 05' big ben is somewhat more accurate imo, which isn't all that bad.

those teams also had great running games.

[DAF86]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/kerry_byrne/11/29/tim.tebow/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a2

The Cold, Hard Football Facts are not just drinking the Tim Tebow Kool-Aid. We're mixing up big batches, grabbing innocent football fans off the street and pumping tubes of it down their throats -- much like French farmers force-feed geese to fatten the bird's liver and make tasty foie gras.

OK, that's overstating the case a bit. Foie gras is not so tasty.

But the Cold, Hard Football Fact of the matter is that there is a fundamentally solid statistical foundation beneath the success of the Denver Broncos with Tebow at quarterback.

Put most simply, Tebow consistently outplays the other team's quarterback, often by wide margins. This superior play is the No. 1 reason for Denver's sudden success -- now 5-1 with Tebow at QB this year after a dismal 1-4 start. But these superior performances seem lost on even the most knowledgeable football minds, like that of Broncos executive and Hall of Fame quarterback John Elway, for example.

Elway was asked last week on Denver sports radio 102.3 The Ticket if the Broncos were "any closer" to having its proverbial QB of the future on the field. He replied with a blunt "no" and added later, "we gotta get better in the passing game."

Tebow's career completion percentage of 47.1 in the NFL is well below modern standards. But completion percentage is only one small part of the story and not a very meaningful one at that.

So Elway and most observers seem to treat Tebow like a circus freak, a statistically deformed football curiosity who wins games in spite of his own feeble ability to pass the football.

You can win one or maybe two games in the NFL with some kind of fluky effort at QB. But the statistical length and breadth of NFL history shows that teams that win consistently do the same things well over and over -- and those same things begin and end with the quarterback position.

And the Broncos are no exception.
Superior All-Around Production At QB

There's no doubt that Tebow's passing accuracy has been spotty at times. At the end of the day, though, he has consistently outplayed the other team's quarterbacks. The problem is that most analysts are limited in their ability to analyze and compare quarterbacks with anything more concrete than the old eye test. Or they look at stats that simply do not matter at the end of the day, such as passing yards, and can't figure out how Tebow is winning games.

Smarter analysts might know to look at critical measures of passing success, such as yards per attempt or passer rating -- indicators that traditionally have a very high correlation to victory. But even those indicators fail to tell the whole story of Tim Tebow.

Enter Cold, Hard Football Facts.com's Real Quarterback Rating, which we introduced over the summer and which has quickly proven itself the most important indicator in football outside of final score.

CHFF Real Quarterback Rating measures all aspects of quarterback play, passing, rushing, sacks, fumbles, etc., and spits it out in a number substantially similar to passer rating and that uses the same formula as passer rating. (Passer rating, while extraordinarily useful in its own right, measures only passing and nothing else -- even if many fans and analysts erroneously refer to it as "quarterback rating.")

Our introduction of Real QB Rating this year has proven fortuitous. After all, it provides a perfect way to compare Tebow to opposing passers. (Get a full explanation of Real Quarterback Rating in the footnotes below.)

Here's how Tebow stacks up against each opposing quarterback this year in traditional passer rating and in Real Quarterback Rating.

Week 7 -- Denver 18, Miami 15
Matt Moore: 92.6 passer rating; 69.6 Real QB Rating
Tim Tebow: 91.7 passer rating; 80.5 Real QB Rating

Real QB Rating advantage: Tebow (+10.9)

Week 8 -- Detroit 45, Denver 10
Matt Stafford-Shaun Hill: 126.0 passer rating; 118.2 Real QB Rating
Tim Tebow: 56.8 passer rating; 48.2 Real QB Rating

Real QB Rating advantage: Stafford (+70.0)

Week 9 -- Denver 38, Oakland 24
Carson Palmer: 79.7 passer rating; 69.4 Real QB Rating
Tim Tebow: 98.1 passer rating; 108.2 Real QB Rating

Real QB Rating advantage: Tebow (+38.8)

Week 10 -- Denver 17, Kansas City 10
Matt Cassel-Tyler Palko: 73.2 passer rating; 67.9 Real QB Rating
Tim Tebow: 102.6 passer rating; 122.7 Real QB Rating

Real QB Rating advantage: Tebow (+54.8)

Week 11 -- Denver 17, N.Y. Jets 13
Mark Sanchez: 67.9 passer rating; 62.2 Real QB Rating
Tim Tebow: 61.3 passer rating; 87.1 Real QB Rating

Real QB Rating advantage: Tebow (+24.9)

Week 12 -- Denver 16, San Diego 13
Philip Rivers: 77.1 passer rating, 68.8 Real QB Rating
Tim Tebow: 95.4 pass rating, 94.4 Real QB Rating

Real QB Rating advantage: Tebow (+25.6)

In other words, Tebow is no statistical circus freak winning in spite of himself. Tebow's Broncos are winning because he consistently outperforms the opposing quarterback when you take into account all aspects of production: passing, running, sacks, total touchdowns, interceptions and fumbles. In fact, he consistently outperforms them by a wide margin.

Denver is 5-0 when Tebow produces a higher Real QB Rating than the opposing quarterback and 0-1 when the other team has the advantage. And those results are no coincidence.

After all, it turns out that no stat in football outside final score -- indeed, maybe no stat in North American sports, period -- is more important than Real QB Rating this season when it comes time to separate winners and losers.

At Cold, Hard Football Facts.com Insider, for example, we track the Correlation to Victory of Real Quarterback Rating, all of our "Quality Stats" and many other indicators: we tell you often teams win games when they win each statistical battle. Real QB Rating is easily the most important indicator in football.

Here's the Correlation to Victory of several notable indicators through Week 12 of the 2011 season.

Real QB Rating -- 156-20 (.886)
Passer rating -- 135-41 (.767)
Real Passing YPA (which includes sacks) -- 124-52 (.705)
Passing YPA -- 121-55 (.688)
Rush yards -- 119-56 (.680)
Rush YPA -- 89-87 (.506)
Passing yards -- 80-96 (.455)

The numbers are extraordinarily telling: gaudy passing days do not help you win football games and a more prolific day pounding out yards on the ground is only slightly more important. Instead, more effective all-around play at quarterback wins football games -- regardless of how many yards a quarterback produces through the air. And right now, Tebow gives Denver more effective all-around play at quarterback almost every week.

Can Tebow do it over the long haul? Can he consistently pad his stats and performances by running the football like a college quarterback?

Probably not. Sooner or later he'll have to pass the ball better, like Elway said. But that doesn't change the fact that, right now, Denver's 5-1 record is easy to explain: Tebow is consistently better and more productive than the other team's quarterback.
Tebow's Quietly Historic Production

There are two underlying reasons why Tebow is so effective, two reasons that explain his impressive Real Quarterback Rating week after week.

1. He gets the ball in the end zone more often than any QB in football today
2. He protects the football better than any QB in football today

The Broncos clearly have not scored a lot of points with Tebow at quarterback. In fact, Denver has averaged just 19.3 points per game in Tebow's six starts and has scored 18 points or fewer in five of those games. And clearly, the defense has improved dramatically in recent weeks, either purely as coincidence or as a by-product of the fact that Tebow has helped the team improve in all areas by protecting the football.

But Tebow himself has been deadly with the ball in his hands. He produces touchdowns at an amazing clip, better than any quarterback in football in his brief career. Here's a comparison of Tebow vs. some of the more prolific quarterbacks in recent history.

Career percentage of touches that result in a TD:
Tim Tebow -- 6.0 percent
Aaron Rodgers -- 5.7 percent
Peyton Manning -- 5.5 percent
Tom Brady -- 5.1 percent
Drew Brees -- 4.7 percent
John Elway -- 3.9 percent

Wow. Tebow may not pass the ball effectively. But he's produced an incredible 22 touchdowns (13 passing, nine rushing) in just 368 touches (225 pass attempts, 121 rush attempts, 22 sacks). Nobody in football gets the ball in the end zone more often.

More importantly, Tebow takes incredibly good care of the football. We track something at Cold, Hard Football Facts called the "interception ladder." It shows us that every interception decreases your chances of winning by about 20 percentage points. In other words, interceptions are destructive plays that severely limit a team's ability to win games.

But the Broncos are winning not just because Tebow protects the football, but because he protects it better than any QB in the game today. Here's how he stacks up against some of the more prolific QBs in the game today.

Career interception percentage:
Tim Tebow -- 1.78 percent
Aaron Rodgers -- 1.83 percent
Tom Brady -- 2.2 percent
Drew Brees -- 2.71 percent
Peyton Manning -- 2.75 percent
John Elway -- 3.1 percent

Add in that Tebow has lost just one fumble in his career (with four INT) and his turnover rate is an incredibly miniscule 1.4 percent.

Tebow has suffered just two turnovers all year, one interception and one fumble. Both of those turnovers came in the Detroit game, his lone loss this year. He has a clean slate, zero turnovers, in Denver's five victories this year.

We're not trying to extrapolate too much out on Tebow's career. Clearly, he's played only a handful of games. The other passers on those lists played over the long haul. A lot can change between here and the end of his career -- whenever and wherever that may come.

But for right here, and right now, Denver is winning because Tebow is consistently the best and most productive quarterback on the field.

[jag]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/kerry_byrne/11/29/tim.tebow/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a2

The Cold, Hard Football Facts are not just drinking the Tim Tebow Kool-Aid. We're mixing up big batches, grabbing innocent football fans off the street and pumping tubes of it down their throats -- much like French farmers force-feed geese to fatten the bird's liver and make tasty foie gras.

OK, that's overstating the case a bit. Foie gras is not so tasty.

But the Cold, Hard Football Fact of the matter is that there is a fundamentally solid statistical foundation beneath the success of the Denver Broncos with Tebow at quarterback.

Put most simply, Tebow consistently outplays the other team's quarterback, often by wide margins. This superior play is the No. 1 reason for Denver's sudden success -- now 5-1 with Tebow at QB this year after a dismal 1-4 start. But these superior performances seem lost on even the most knowledgeable football minds, like that of Broncos executive and Hall of Fame quarterback John Elway, for example.

Elway was asked last week on Denver sports radio 102.3 The Ticket if the Broncos were "any closer" to having its proverbial QB of the future on the field. He replied with a blunt "no" and added later, "we gotta get better in the passing game."

Tebow's career completion percentage of 47.1 in the NFL is well below modern standards. But completion percentage is only one small part of the story and not a very meaningful one at that.

So Elway and most observers seem to treat Tebow like a circus freak, a statistically deformed football curiosity who wins games in spite of his own feeble ability to pass the football.

You can win one or maybe two games in the NFL with some kind of fluky effort at QB. But the statistical length and breadth of NFL history shows that teams that win consistently do the same things well over and over -- and those same things begin and end with the quarterback position.

And the Broncos are no exception.
Superior All-Around Production At QB

There's no doubt that Tebow's passing accuracy has been spotty at times. At the end of the day, though, he has consistently outplayed the other team's quarterbacks. The problem is that most analysts are limited in their ability to analyze and compare quarterbacks with anything more concrete than the old eye test. Or they look at stats that simply do not matter at the end of the day, such as passing yards, and can't figure out how Tebow is winning games.

Smarter analysts might know to look at critical measures of passing success, such as yards per attempt or passer rating -- indicators that traditionally have a very high correlation to victory. But even those indicators fail to tell the whole story of Tim Tebow.

Enter Cold, Hard Football Facts.com's Real Quarterback Rating, which we introduced over the summer and which has quickly proven itself the most important indicator in football outside of final score.

CHFF Real Quarterback Rating measures all aspects of quarterback play, passing, rushing, sacks, fumbles, etc., and spits it out in a number substantially similar to passer rating and that uses the same formula as passer rating. (Passer rating, while extraordinarily useful in its own right, measures only passing and nothing else -- even if many fans and analysts erroneously refer to it as "quarterback rating.")

Our introduction of Real QB Rating this year has proven fortuitous. After all, it provides a perfect way to compare Tebow to opposing passers. (Get a full explanation of Real Quarterback Rating in the footnotes below.)

Here's how Tebow stacks up against each opposing quarterback this year in traditional passer rating and in Real Quarterback Rating.

Week 7 -- Denver 18, Miami 15
Matt Moore: 92.6 passer rating; 69.6 Real QB Rating
Tim Tebow: 91.7 passer rating; 80.5 Real QB Rating

Real QB Rating advantage: Tebow (+10.9)

Week 8 -- Detroit 45, Denver 10
Matt Stafford-Shaun Hill: 126.0 passer rating; 118.2 Real QB Rating
Tim Tebow: 56.8 passer rating; 48.2 Real QB Rating

Real QB Rating advantage: Stafford (+70.0)

Week 9 -- Denver 38, Oakland 24
Carson Palmer: 79.7 passer rating; 69.4 Real QB Rating
Tim Tebow: 98.1 passer rating; 108.2 Real QB Rating

Real QB Rating advantage: Tebow (+38.8)

Week 10 -- Denver 17, Kansas City 10
Matt Cassel-Tyler Palko: 73.2 passer rating; 67.9 Real QB Rating
Tim Tebow: 102.6 passer rating; 122.7 Real QB Rating

Real QB Rating advantage: Tebow (+54.8)

Week 11 -- Denver 17, N.Y. Jets 13
Mark Sanchez: 67.9 passer rating; 62.2 Real QB Rating
Tim Tebow: 61.3 passer rating; 87.1 Real QB Rating

Real QB Rating advantage: Tebow (+24.9)

Week 12 -- Denver 16, San Diego 13
Philip Rivers: 77.1 passer rating, 68.8 Real QB Rating
Tim Tebow: 95.4 pass rating, 94.4 Real QB Rating

Real QB Rating advantage: Tebow (+25.6)

In other words, Tebow is no statistical circus freak winning in spite of himself. Tebow's Broncos are winning because he consistently outperforms the opposing quarterback when you take into account all aspects of production: passing, running, sacks, total touchdowns, interceptions and fumbles. In fact, he consistently outperforms them by a wide margin.

Denver is 5-0 when Tebow produces a higher Real QB Rating than the opposing quarterback and 0-1 when the other team has the advantage. And those results are no coincidence.

After all, it turns out that no stat in football outside final score -- indeed, maybe no stat in North American sports, period -- is more important than Real QB Rating this season when it comes time to separate winners and losers.

At Cold, Hard Football Facts.com Insider, for example, we track the Correlation to Victory of Real Quarterback Rating, all of our "Quality Stats" and many other indicators: we tell you often teams win games when they win each statistical battle. Real QB Rating is easily the most important indicator in football.

Here's the Correlation to Victory of several notable indicators through Week 12 of the 2011 season.

Real QB Rating -- 156-20 (.886)
Passer rating -- 135-41 (.767)
Real Passing YPA (which includes sacks) -- 124-52 (.705)
Passing YPA -- 121-55 (.688)
Rush yards -- 119-56 (.680)
Rush YPA -- 89-87 (.506)
Passing yards -- 80-96 (.455)

The numbers are extraordinarily telling: gaudy passing days do not help you win football games and a more prolific day pounding out yards on the ground is only slightly more important. Instead, more effective all-around play at quarterback wins football games -- regardless of how many yards a quarterback produces through the air. And right now, Tebow gives Denver more effective all-around play at quarterback almost every week.

Can Tebow do it over the long haul? Can he consistently pad his stats and performances by running the football like a college quarterback?

Probably not. Sooner or later he'll have to pass the ball better, like Elway said. But that doesn't change the fact that, right now, Denver's 5-1 record is easy to explain: Tebow is consistently better and more productive than the other team's quarterback.
Tebow's Quietly Historic Production

There are two underlying reasons why Tebow is so effective, two reasons that explain his impressive Real Quarterback Rating week after week.

1. He gets the ball in the end zone more often than any QB in football today
2. He protects the football better than any QB in football today

The Broncos clearly have not scored a lot of points with Tebow at quarterback. In fact, Denver has averaged just 19.3 points per game in Tebow's six starts and has scored 18 points or fewer in five of those games. And clearly, the defense has improved dramatically in recent weeks, either purely as coincidence or as a by-product of the fact that Tebow has helped the team improve in all areas by protecting the football.

But Tebow himself has been deadly with the ball in his hands. He produces touchdowns at an amazing clip, better than any quarterback in football in his brief career. Here's a comparison of Tebow vs. some of the more prolific quarterbacks in recent history.

Career percentage of touches that result in a TD:
Tim Tebow -- 6.0 percent
Aaron Rodgers -- 5.7 percent
Peyton Manning -- 5.5 percent
Tom Brady -- 5.1 percent
Drew Brees -- 4.7 percent
John Elway -- 3.9 percent

Wow. Tebow may not pass the ball effectively. But he's produced an incredible 22 touchdowns (13 passing, nine rushing) in just 368 touches (225 pass attempts, 121 rush attempts, 22 sacks). Nobody in football gets the ball in the end zone more often.

More importantly, Tebow takes incredibly good care of the football. We track something at Cold, Hard Football Facts called the "interception ladder." It shows us that every interception decreases your chances of winning by about 20 percentage points. In other words, interceptions are destructive plays that severely limit a team's ability to win games.

But the Broncos are winning not just because Tebow protects the football, but because he protects it better than any QB in the game today. Here's how he stacks up against some of the more prolific QBs in the game today.

Career interception percentage:
Tim Tebow -- 1.78 percent
Aaron Rodgers -- 1.83 percent
Tom Brady -- 2.2 percent
Drew Brees -- 2.71 percent
Peyton Manning -- 2.75 percent
John Elway -- 3.1 percent

Add in that Tebow has lost just one fumble in his career (with four INT) and his turnover rate is an incredibly miniscule 1.4 percent.

Tebow has suffered just two turnovers all year, one interception and one fumble. Both of those turnovers came in the Detroit game, his lone loss this year. He has a clean slate, zero turnovers, in Denver's five victories this year.

We're not trying to extrapolate too much out on Tebow's career. Clearly, he's played only a handful of games. The other passers on those lists played over the long haul. A lot can change between here and the end of his career -- whenever and wherever that may come.

But for right here, and right now, Denver is winning because Tebow is consistently the best and most productive quarterback on the field.




http://www.myemoticons.com/images/emotions/awad/bow-down-before-you.gif http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/timtebowshirtless.jpg

[Nathan89]

But Tebow himself has been deadly with the ball in his hands. He produces touchdowns at an amazing clip, better than any quarterback in football in his brief career. Here's a comparison of Tebow vs. some of the more prolific quarterbacks in recent history.

Career percentage of touches that result in a TD:
Tim Tebow -- 6.0 percent
Aaron Rodgers -- 5.7 percent
Peyton Manning -- 5.5 percent
Tom Brady -- 5.1 percent
Drew Brees -- 4.7 percent
John Elway -- 3.9 percent


:wow

This is pretty amazing.

Yet the media won't give him a break. Media keeps moving goal post with Tebow as well.

[vato loco]

those teams also had great running games.

mcgahee and the denver o-line are no slouches but saying they're great is a bit of a stretch

tebow's ability to scramble and to run the option is the reason that running game has been great the past 6 weeks

[vato loco]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/kerry_byrne/11/29/tim.tebow/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a2

The Cold, Hard Football Facts are not just drinking the Tim Tebow Kool-Aid. We're mixing up big batches, grabbing innocent football fans off the street and pumping tubes of it down their throats -- much like French farmers force-feed geese to fatten the bird's liver and make tasty foie gras.

OK, that's overstating the case a bit. Foie gras is not so tasty.

But the Cold, Hard Football Fact of the matter is that there is a fundamentally solid statistical foundation beneath the success of the Denver Broncos with Tebow at quarterback.

Put most simply, Tebow consistently outplays the other team's quarterback, often by wide margins. This superior play is the No. 1 reason for Denver's sudden success -- now 5-1 with Tebow at QB this year after a dismal 1-4 start. But these superior performances seem lost on even the most knowledgeable football minds, like that of Broncos executive and Hall of Fame quarterback John Elway, for example.

Elway was asked last week on Denver sports radio 102.3 The Ticket if the Broncos were "any closer" to having its proverbial QB of the future on the field. He replied with a blunt "no" and added later, "we gotta get better in the passing game."

Tebow's career completion percentage of 47.1 in the NFL is well below modern standards. But completion percentage is only one small part of the story and not a very meaningful one at that.

So Elway and most observers seem to treat Tebow like a circus freak, a statistically deformed football curiosity who wins games in spite of his own feeble ability to pass the football.

You can win one or maybe two games in the NFL with some kind of fluky effort at QB. But the statistical length and breadth of NFL history shows that teams that win consistently do the same things well over and over -- and those same things begin and end with the quarterback position.

And the Broncos are no exception.
Superior All-Around Production At QB

There's no doubt that Tebow's passing accuracy has been spotty at times. At the end of the day, though, he has consistently outplayed the other team's quarterbacks. The problem is that most analysts are limited in their ability to analyze and compare quarterbacks with anything more concrete than the old eye test. Or they look at stats that simply do not matter at the end of the day, such as passing yards, and can't figure out how Tebow is winning games.

Smarter analysts might know to look at critical measures of passing success, such as yards per attempt or passer rating -- indicators that traditionally have a very high correlation to victory. But even those indicators fail to tell the whole story of Tim Tebow.

Enter Cold, Hard Football Facts.com's Real Quarterback Rating, which we introduced over the summer and which has quickly proven itself the most important indicator in football outside of final score.

CHFF Real Quarterback Rating measures all aspects of quarterback play, passing, rushing, sacks, fumbles, etc., and spits it out in a number substantially similar to passer rating and that uses the same formula as passer rating. (Passer rating, while extraordinarily useful in its own right, measures only passing and nothing else -- even if many fans and analysts erroneously refer to it as "quarterback rating.")

Our introduction of Real QB Rating this year has proven fortuitous. After all, it provides a perfect way to compare Tebow to opposing passers. (Get a full explanation of Real Quarterback Rating in the footnotes below.)

Here's how Tebow stacks up against each opposing quarterback this year in traditional passer rating and in Real Quarterback Rating.

Week 7 -- Denver 18, Miami 15
Matt Moore: 92.6 passer rating; 69.6 Real QB Rating
Tim Tebow: 91.7 passer rating; 80.5 Real QB Rating

Real QB Rating advantage: Tebow (+10.9)

Week 8 -- Detroit 45, Denver 10
Matt Stafford-Shaun Hill: 126.0 passer rating; 118.2 Real QB Rating
Tim Tebow: 56.8 passer rating; 48.2 Real QB Rating

Real QB Rating advantage: Stafford (+70.0)

Week 9 -- Denver 38, Oakland 24
Carson Palmer: 79.7 passer rating; 69.4 Real QB Rating
Tim Tebow: 98.1 passer rating; 108.2 Real QB Rating

Real QB Rating advantage: Tebow (+38.8)

Week 10 -- Denver 17, Kansas City 10
Matt Cassel-Tyler Palko: 73.2 passer rating; 67.9 Real QB Rating
Tim Tebow: 102.6 passer rating; 122.7 Real QB Rating

Real QB Rating advantage: Tebow (+54.8)

Week 11 -- Denver 17, N.Y. Jets 13
Mark Sanchez: 67.9 passer rating; 62.2 Real QB Rating
Tim Tebow: 61.3 passer rating; 87.1 Real QB Rating

Real QB Rating advantage: Tebow (+24.9)

Week 12 -- Denver 16, San Diego 13
Philip Rivers: 77.1 passer rating, 68.8 Real QB Rating
Tim Tebow: 95.4 pass rating, 94.4 Real QB Rating

Real QB Rating advantage: Tebow (+25.6)

In other words, Tebow is no statistical circus freak winning in spite of himself. Tebow's Broncos are winning because he consistently outperforms the opposing quarterback when you take into account all aspects of production: passing, running, sacks, total touchdowns, interceptions and fumbles. In fact, he consistently outperforms them by a wide margin.

Denver is 5-0 when Tebow produces a higher Real QB Rating than the opposing quarterback and 0-1 when the other team has the advantage. And those results are no coincidence.

After all, it turns out that no stat in football outside final score -- indeed, maybe no stat in North American sports, period -- is more important than Real QB Rating this season when it comes time to separate winners and losers.

At Cold, Hard Football Facts.com Insider, for example, we track the Correlation to Victory of Real Quarterback Rating, all of our "Quality Stats" and many other indicators: we tell you often teams win games when they win each statistical battle. Real QB Rating is easily the most important indicator in football.

Here's the Correlation to Victory of several notable indicators through Week 12 of the 2011 season.

Real QB Rating -- 156-20 (.886)
Passer rating -- 135-41 (.767)
Real Passing YPA (which includes sacks) -- 124-52 (.705)
Passing YPA -- 121-55 (.688)
Rush yards -- 119-56 (.680)
Rush YPA -- 89-87 (.506)
Passing yards -- 80-96 (.455)

The numbers are extraordinarily telling: gaudy passing days do not help you win football games and a more prolific day pounding out yards on the ground is only slightly more important. Instead, more effective all-around play at quarterback wins football games -- regardless of how many yards a quarterback produces through the air. And right now, Tebow gives Denver more effective all-around play at quarterback almost every week.

Can Tebow do it over the long haul? Can he consistently pad his stats and performances by running the football like a college quarterback?

Probably not. Sooner or later he'll have to pass the ball better, like Elway said. But that doesn't change the fact that, right now, Denver's 5-1 record is easy to explain: Tebow is consistently better and more productive than the other team's quarterback.
Tebow's Quietly Historic Production

There are two underlying reasons why Tebow is so effective, two reasons that explain his impressive Real Quarterback Rating week after week.

1. He gets the ball in the end zone more often than any QB in football today
2. He protects the football better than any QB in football today

The Broncos clearly have not scored a lot of points with Tebow at quarterback. In fact, Denver has averaged just 19.3 points per game in Tebow's six starts and has scored 18 points or fewer in five of those games. And clearly, the defense has improved dramatically in recent weeks, either purely as coincidence or as a by-product of the fact that Tebow has helped the team improve in all areas by protecting the football.

But Tebow himself has been deadly with the ball in his hands. He produces touchdowns at an amazing clip, better than any quarterback in football in his brief career. Here's a comparison of Tebow vs. some of the more prolific quarterbacks in recent history.

Career percentage of touches that result in a TD:
Tim Tebow -- 6.0 percent
Aaron Rodgers -- 5.7 percent
Peyton Manning -- 5.5 percent
Tom Brady -- 5.1 percent
Drew Brees -- 4.7 percent
John Elway -- 3.9 percent

Wow. Tebow may not pass the ball effectively. But he's produced an incredible 22 touchdowns (13 passing, nine rushing) in just 368 touches (225 pass attempts, 121 rush attempts, 22 sacks). Nobody in football gets the ball in the end zone more often.

More importantly, Tebow takes incredibly good care of the football. We track something at Cold, Hard Football Facts called the "interception ladder." It shows us that every interception decreases your chances of winning by about 20 percentage points. In other words, interceptions are destructive plays that severely limit a team's ability to win games.

But the Broncos are winning not just because Tebow protects the football, but because he protects it better than any QB in the game today. Here's how he stacks up against some of the more prolific QBs in the game today.

Career interception percentage:
Tim Tebow -- 1.78 percent
Aaron Rodgers -- 1.83 percent
Tom Brady -- 2.2 percent
Drew Brees -- 2.71 percent
Peyton Manning -- 2.75 percent
John Elway -- 3.1 percent

Add in that Tebow has lost just one fumble in his career (with four INT) and his turnover rate is an incredibly miniscule 1.4 percent.

Tebow has suffered just two turnovers all year, one interception and one fumble. Both of those turnovers came in the Detroit game, his lone loss this year. He has a clean slate, zero turnovers, in Denver's five victories this year.

We're not trying to extrapolate too much out on Tebow's career. Clearly, he's played only a handful of games. The other passers on those lists played over the long haul. A lot can change between here and the end of his career -- whenever and wherever that may come.

But for right here, and right now, Denver is winning because Tebow is consistently the best and most productive quarterback on the field.

:tu




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:tu :tu

[pawe]

The confidence he's gaining this year in running the options will greatly benefit him next year...not really good for the team in the long term if he succeeds as they will tailor the system around his style of play.
They might turn out to be Colts 2.0

[leemajors]

http://deadspin.com/5864731/fetuses-are-now-tebowing

[Bill_Brasky]

Haven't seen Merril this butthurt over a player in a while.

[Nathan89]

Tebow:bang
McGahee:bang
Denver coaches:bang

[JMarkJohns]

When was the ground allowed to cause a fumble? I know it can negate prior reception ala the Megatron catch vs. Bears a few years back, but I've not seen such a clear-cut case of the ground causing a fumble that was allowed to stand as a "fumble"!

[DeadlyDynasty]

Ok now THAT was impressive

[Nathan89]

Tebow making plays. Hell yeah!!!

[Nathan89]

Denver defense is allowing too many 3rd down completions today.

I also thought the ground couldn't cause a fumble. I want some clarification.

[Nathan89]

Stupid.

[Nathan89]

Denver doing everything possible to lose. Penalties and turnovers.

Why they won't go for two is beyond me.

[Nathan89]

Great f'in defense. I love it.

Tbh, Petterson lost a couple of shades.

[Nathan89]

Go for 2 you dipshit.

[Nathan89]

Defense better step the hell up now.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Wow

[Bill_Brasky]

Wish I was watching this game....

[DeadlyDynasty]

Gotta give Ponder credit too...the kid has 360 yards, 3 td's, and 1 pick so far...

[Nathan89]

Wish I was watching this game....

check out firstrowsports.tv

google it.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Ponder is dealing right now...killing the Donks on 3rd downs

[Nathan89]

Defense gets all the credit all week and now they fucking choke.

[Nathan89]

I want to say Tebow time but this shit can't happen every week.

[Nathan89]

This guy is just too damn clutch.

[Nathan89]

Tebow threw a perfect ball that could have won the game. This guy can throw better than he gets credit for.

[Nathan89]

Yes! Pick baby lets win this.

[DeadlyDynasty]

you just knew that was coming :lol

[DeadlyDynasty]

vikings need to let them score here

[DPG21920]

I guess it was that Denver defense that gave up 32 points that carried them.

[Bill_Brasky]

Wonder what the haters will say this week?

[Nathan89]

I guess it was that Denver defense that gave up 32 points that carried them.

To be fair, I think 2pts came off a safety and 6 points came off short fields because of the fumbles. The defense did give up way to many 3rd down completions and did look nearly as good in weeks past.

[Pelicans78]

He threw the ball well today. Hopefully, they will let him throw earlier in games. Bears defense will be tough, but their QB is struggling so it shouldn't take too many points to win. Their schedule is favorable to win the division.

[ducks]

the last two weeks tebow throws have been much better
scarry


they should beat the bears
new england is going to be a challenge

[ducks]

When was the ground allowed to cause a fumble? I know it can negate prior reception ala the Megatron catch vs. Bears a few years back, but I've not seen such a clear-cut case of the ground causing a fumble that was allowed to stand as a "fumble"!

I agree talk about home cooking

[jag]

He threw the ball well today. Hopefully, they will let him throw earlier in games. Bears defense will be tough, but their QB is struggling so it shouldn't take too many points to win. Their schedule is favorable to win the division.

He doesn't need to start changing his routine just because he's thrown the ball well.

[Warlord23]

Since the Steelers are likely to land the 1st wild card slot in the AFC (and the #5 seed), I for one am rooting for Denver to win the AFC West and get the #4 seed. Hope Tebow keeps them ahead of the Raiders down the stretch.

[BoricuaCJA]

NVM. Thanks.

[BRHornet45]

Tebow is a boss

[The Franchise]

Since the Steelers are likely to land the 1st wild card slot in the AFC (and the #5 seed), I for one am rooting for Denver to win the AFC West and get the #4 seed. Hope Tebow keeps them ahead of the Raiders down the stretch.
This Tebow shit won't last. I had hoped we would have gone the Indy route and went 16-0 to pick up Luck. Since we didn't beating out the Raiders is always good.

[HarlemHeat37]

^^:lol fake ass Broncos fan..

This was one of the worst officiated games in a while, refs tried to give Minny the win..

Tebow has progressed as a passer every week, can't wait to see what he looks like with an off-season and some additions to the receiving corps..

D looked bad, but they were missing the most valuable defensive player in the NFL, tbh..

Have to win against a hobbled Bears team, next week..

[Pelicans78]

That was a fumble on Tebow. The ball started to slip out before it hit the ground. Good call IMO.

[Nathan89]

That was a fumble on Tebow. The ball started to slip out before it hit the ground. Good call IMO.

The ball was clearly firmly in his hand. However...

Den/Min-the ground can cause a fumble if the runner is not down prior to the ball coming out.Tebows knee was not down when the ball came out


Video

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/12/4/2610512/video-tim-tebow-fumble-denver-broncos-jared-allen-minnesota-vikings

[pawe]

And I was cursing at the idea of the Cardinals trading down to snatch Tebow in the draft. Such a winner.

[jag]

All he does is win, no matter what. He's got money on his mind and can't never get enough. Every time he steps into the building, everybody hands go up... and they stay there.

[The Franchise]

^^:lol fake ass Broncos fan..

This was one of the worst officiated games in a while, refs tried to give Minny the win..

Tebow has progressed as a passer every week, can't wait to see what he looks like with an off-season and some additions to the receiving corps..

D looked bad, but they were missing the most valuable defensive player in the NFL, tbh..

Have to win against a hobbled Bears team, next week..

Be honest, would you rather have Luck or Tebow under center? It's not about jumping on an unstable bandwagon, it's about what will be best for the team long term. I just think this style of winning will run it's course and when it starts to fail, the shit will get ugly. Tanking for a franchise QB would have served us a lot better than thinking a bum (benefitting from a really good defense and running game) is going to continue to win. If a glorified FB can win with this team just imagine what a real QB could do?

[LnGrrrR]

TeBOW DOWN

[DAF86]

Be honest, would you rather have Luck or Tebow under center? It's not about jumping on an unstable bandwagon, it's about what will be best for the team long term. I just think this style of winning will run it's course and when it starts to fail, the shit will get ugly. Tanking for a franchise QB would have served us a lot better than thinking a bum (benefitting from a really good defense and running game) is going to continue to win. If a glorified FB can win with this team just imagine what a real QB could do?

Where were that defense and that running game when Orton was the starting QB?

Let's suppose that the improvement on the defense is just a coincidence (which I'm sure is not), the running game most certainly isn't. Denver went from beign at the bottom in rushing yds per game in the NFL to the number two team in the league in that department. Without Tebow that simply doesn't happen, not only because of his own runs but also for the impact he has on his teammates runs, without those option plays the Broncos have been running McGahee wouldn't have the numbers he has right now and the only reason you can run those plays succesfully is because of Tebow, plain and simple.

P/S: You would rather suck an entire year just to have a chance at maybe drafting a guy that nobody even knows if it's going to pan out in the NFL instead of winning a division title and making the playoffs? You're a strange fan.

[The Franchise]

Where were that defense and that running game when Orton was the starting QB?

Let's suppose that the improvement on the defense is just a coincidence (which I'm sure is not), the running game most certainly isn't. Denver went from beign at the bottom in rushing yds per game in the NFL to the number two team in the league in that department. Without Tebow that simply doesn't happen, not only because of his own runs but also for the impact he has on his teammates runs, without those option plays the Broncos have been running McGahee wouldn't have the numbers he has right now and the only reason you can run those plays succesfully is because of Tebow, plain and simple.

P/S: You would rather suck an entire year just to have a chance at maybe drafting a guy that nobody even knows if it's going to pan out in the NFL instead of winning a division title and making the playoffs? You're a strange fan.
The defense playing better is a coincidence. They had to adjust to a new system, and you are now seeing the fruits of their labor. I have to admit that he has had a big impact on the running game, but that goes back to my point. I don't see a one dimensional offense continuing to have success and when it fails Tebow will be exposed for what he is, a below average QB. I enjoy the fact that we are winning, but I'm realistic enough to know it won't last this way.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol TebowFan claiming that he somehow improved their defense

[Obstructed_View]

Looks like the team is playing harder in all three phases of the game since Tebow took over. They looked like they were mailing it in early in the season.

[Blake]

Where were that defense and that running game when Orton was the starting QB?

Let's suppose that the improvement on the defense is just a coincidence (which I'm sure is not)

Rofl

[jag]

:lol TebowFan claiming that he somehow improved their defense

It's certainly possible that the players are giving more effort now....

[DAF86]

The defense playing better is a coincidence. They had to adjust to a new system, and you are now seeing the fruits of their labor. I have to admit that he has had a big impact on the running game, but that goes back to my point. I don't see a one dimensional offense continuing to have success and when it fails Tebow will be exposed for what he is, a below average QB. I enjoy the fact that we are winning, but I'm realistic enough to know it won't last this way.


:lol TebowFan claiming that he somehow improved their defense


Rofl


Because the Broncos run the ball so frequently with Tim Tebow at quarterback, they use up more time when he’s on the field. Even if they go three and out, their possession takes more time than say a three and out from Kyle Orton that features two passing plays. The more time that elapses on Denver’s offensive possessions, the fewer times it allows the opposing team an opportunity to score. Additionally, by protecting the football (as he’s done very well), Tebow prevents opposing teams from having extra possessions. It’s very simple math, and the numbers back it up.

In Kyle Orton’s four starts, the Broncos averaged 11.25 possessions per game, while the opposing team had 12. The opposing team also possessed the ball 31:33 while the Broncos had it 28:26 on average.

In Tim Tebow’s five starts, the Broncos have averaged 13.6 possessions per game, while the opposing team has had 13.2. Denver has also possessed the ball an average of 31:36 minutes compared to 29:55 for its opponents (the total is higher than 60 because Denver went to overtime against Miami).

http://larrybrownsports.com/football/tim-tebow-broncos-defense-better/100528

I'm sure this had absolutely nothing to do with the improved defense and it's all just a big coincidence.

[jag]

DAF taking a big twosy on Tebow haters.

[weebo]

LOL @ Tebow STILL taking a major shit on all the hatas

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I'm sure this had absolutely nothing to do with the improved defense and it's all just a big coincidence.


It has more to do with the defense finally getting healthy after being dinged for most of the first month of the season. Bailey, Dumervil, Thomas and Williams all missed multiple games during that stretch. Facing inept QBs/offenses also tends to help.

IIRC, the length of each drive has actually been shorter with Tebow at QB because of the massive drop in 3rd down%.

Like most things in sports, it isn't one thing but a culmination of several different factors.

I just don't think the offense they run is sustainable or conducive to winning consistently year in, year out.

[DAF86]

It has more to do with the defense finally getting healthy after being dinged for most of the first month of the season. Bailey, Dumervil, Thomas and Williams all missed multiple games during that stretch. Facing inept QBs/offenses also tends to help.

IIRC, the length of each drive has actually been shorter with Tebow at QB because of the massive drop in 3rd down%.

Like most things in sports, it isn't one thing but a culmination of several different factors.

I just don't think the offense they run is sustainable or conducive to winning consistently year in, year out.

I agree, the defense improvement probably has more to do with things related strictly related to them but as you said Tebow did make things to help the D a bit.

[DAF86]

And I also think they will need to air it out a little bit more in the future but that's something I expect to happen eventually and I think Tebow can be succesful at doing that.

[Blake]

I agree, the defense improvement probably has more to do with things related strictly related to them but as you said Tebow did make things to help the D a bit.

Rofl tebackpedal

[DAF86]

When did I say Tebow was the main reason for Denver's D improvement?

[Sense]

Tebow is a horrible QB, the defense is doing most of the work on those wins.. yeah the TEAM is getting wins and he happens to be the QB, but he's not the main reason..

Why else would there be these kinds of discussions?

[DAF86]

Did you see the Vikings game? Tebow was the man of the match. I think the poor offensive numbers have more to do with the offensive playcalling than Tebow. In yesterday's game the Broncos only passed the ball when they really needed it (so, when they got behind) and Tebow delivered, then when the game got even McCoy went back to his ultra conservative playcalling. If the coaches would have let Tebow keep throwing the ball in the second to last drive of the game Goodman wouldn't have needed to came up with that interception at the end to win the game.

[Blake]

When did I say Tebow was the main reason for Denver's D improvement?

When did I say you did an about face?

The back pedaling is pretty obvious though, tbhlol

[DAF86]

What back pedaling?

I keep saying and thinking the same things I did when I posted that "Tebow/Broncos D" comment. If you interpreted another thing is not my fault.

[Phenomanul]

Tebow is a horrible QB, the defense is doing most of the work on those wins.. yeah the TEAM is getting wins and he happens to be the QB, but he's not the main reason..

Why else would there be these kinds of discussions?

The score of the last game was 35 to 32... just sayin'

Yeah, yeah... it's a TEAM game... but is it that hard to single Tebow out as a positive factor in those wins (considering he doesn't turn the ball over and has had some impressive 4th quarter plays of his own)? IT isn't fair but QB's have been blamed for the failures, and praised for the sucesses of teams since like forever... :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

http://larrybrownsports.com/football/tim-tebow-broncos-defense-better/100528

I'm sure this had absolutely nothing to do with the improved defense and it's all just a big coincidence.
You got me.

The extra 3 minutes in TOP tebow is getting Denver is what's making their defense great!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

This season is prolly gonna be like when Vince Young made the playoffs which will be followed by Tebowfan saying that him making the playoffs and losing is further proof that all he does is win.

[HarlemHeat37]

The defense and special teams has been the primary reason for the Broncos success, especially Von Miller, Dumervil and Colquitt..Tebow, McGahee and the offensive line have played a significant part, though..Tebow gets too much credit for the wins, and too much blame for the ineptitude of the offense, which is the custom for QBs, I suppose..

Tebow has unquestionably improved, since his first appearance..his footwork and accuracy has improved..the offensive playcalling has hurt him, too, tbh, but it has started to open up..he's no longer throwing those horrible, High School-level throws..

Tebow isn't any better than the previous version of Vince Young, tbh, but Tebow is much more mentally stable and more likely to work hard enough to improve his skillset IMO..Young never improved, he was a pussy that couldn't handle criticism, and did not work hard enough IMO..

The defense has improved, because they got healthy, particularly Dumervil, it took him a while to round into form..however, to be fair, the D does play harder for Tebow, Champ and Dawkins have both made that statement(the leaders of the D), but that isn't just primarily due to Tebow's mentality..Orton was one of the worst "field leaders" in NFL history, no team would play hard for him..

The Broncos have actually been running less option offense, transitioning to a hybrid conventional offense, as Tebow continues to improve..

[Trainwreck2100]

i'm gonna be pissed if he somehow lucks his way into a first round playoff game against the injury depleted texans.

[Girasuck]

Tebow is a horrible QB, the defense is doing most of the work on those wins.. yeah the TEAM is getting wins and he happens to be the QB, but he's not the main reason..


Minnesota First Downs - 27
Minnesota TOP - 37:51
Minnesota Total Yards - 489

Giving up 381 passing yards to a rookie QB
Giving up 30 points


Yep...that defense won the game for Denver.

[ducks]

Tebow is a horrible QB, the defense is doing most of the work on those wins.. yeah the TEAM is getting wins and he happens to be the QB, but he's not the main reason..

Why else would there be these kinds of discussions?

tebow keeps the other team qb off the field with his long drives


that is how you beat brady and rodgers

[Pelicans78]

If Denver wins their division they will most likely play Baltimore or Pittsburgh at home unless the Texans collapse down to the 4th seed.

[DMC]

I heard the same things about VY. Collins lost how many in a row, then VY comes in and goes on a win streak. They said the team played harder for him. Whatever. They didn't win anything.

[DAF86]

VY's problems were off the field.

[DMC]

VY's problems were off the field.
Problems on the field are all that matters, and if that comes from problems off the field, it's basically indiscernible from on field problems.

[slick'81]

damn maybe defenses wont figure that option out :wow

[DAF86]

Problems on the field are all that matters, and if that comes from problems off the field, it's basically indiscernible from on field problems.

?

You were comparing Tebow to Young, VY started go downhill when his off the field problems started, I son't see Tebow having those kind of problems.

[DAF86]

Int, fumble, no 4th qtr comeback.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Watch Denver win off a defensive touchdown and then the bible thumpers will give tons of credit to Tebow in spite of him playing like shit

[DeadlyDynasty]

6/19, 82 yds and a pick...dayum:lol

If there's a silver lining to all this it's that it was a non-conference loss, and the Raiders lossed too.

[DAF86]

Lot of drops today tbh, including one for a clear TD when the game was tied.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

lol blaming drops

Tim Tebow has played like absolute shit todayPERIOD

[Pelicans78]

I counted 4-5 drops, but Tebow doesn't look great at all in the pocket. His release is so slow and he holds the ball too long. Most of his passes are being completed out of the pocket. His WRs suck today and they didn't throw a lot on first down, but he doesn't look comfortable in the pocket.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Are you people fuckin retarded? Drops happen. Tebow isn't the only QB in the world who has to deal with his receivers dropping passes.

[Pelicans78]

Are you people fuckin retarded? Drops happen. Tebow isn't the only QB in the world who has to deal with his receivers dropping passes.

They shouldn't lose to a Bears team without Cutler and Forte. The defense held them to 10 points. This will be a bad loss if they don't come back. Plus the Chargers will be a game back.

[DAF86]

Well, that blocked FG has come back to haunt them now.

[DAF86]

They had it, two Broncos fought for the ball and lost it.

[Pelicans78]

Well, that blocked FG has come back to haunt them now.

Also two turnovers in the Bears territory.

[Pelicans78]

LOL Barber.

[DAF86]

If they get to the 45 I would kick a FG.

[Pelicans78]

If they get to the 45 I would kick a FG.

Great play by Decker.