Chavez Just Keeps on Giving...

[Nbadan]

Hey Manu...what has your Prez done for Argentina lately?


Hugo Chavez, the president of Venezuela, 'has ordered the confiscation of 717,000 acres from a British company amid a disagreement over compensation for earlier seizures of ranchland from the firm.

Chavez announced the latest takeover after saying that Venezuela refuses to pay compensation in foreign currency to Agropecuaria Flora, a local subsidiary of Britain's Vestey Group.

Chavez said the company had demanded the government pay it in dollars for the previous expropriation of tens of thousands of acres. But the government insists in paying in bolivars, Venezuela's currency.

It is difficult for foreign companies operating in Venezuela to repatriate profits and other income in bolivars because of foreign currency controls in the South American country. Representatives of Agropecuaria Flora did not answer calls seeking comment.

Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/30/hugo-chavez-orders-land-seizure)

Can't say Chavez doesn't walk the walk anymore..

[ElNono]

Hey Manu...what has your Prez done for Argentina lately?

She just got reelected with 52% of the votes...

[ChuckD]

I think it was a rhetorical question...

[ElNono]

I think it was a rhetorical question...

Probably

[MaNuMaNiAc]

yeah, that's great Dan. Expropriation of private property in order to keep buying votes with land. Yeah, that's the role model you should be following. So I guess this means Dan has no respect for private property.

Why weren't you in here commenting on why the doctor that predicted Chavez probably had no more than two years to live had to exile himself from his country for telling everyone what they already knew, but Chavez wouldn't admit?? where were you then? oh yeah, that's right, you're a partisan douche bag. My bad. Coincidentally, Chavez bullshit went from "There's not a cancerous cell in my body, the doctors told me" (an impossible diagnosis by any medical standards) to the recent "I'm not in good shape"

by all means, follow a man that tries to make criminals out of anyone that opposes him and discredit those which he can't.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

P.S. I've never voted for Argentina's current president. I think she's a corrupt piece of shit that doesn't have the first clue on how run a country. So ragging on her won't help your case Danny boy.

[boutons_deux]

So Argie's lady prez had nothing to with the exemplary turnaround of the Argie economy these last 10 years?

[Nbadan]

Cristina Elisabet Fernández de Kirchner and Chavez have a past...


During the first days of Fernández's presidency, Argentina's relations with the United States deteriorated as a result of allegations made by a United States assistant attorney of illegal campaign contributions, case known as the maletinazo (suitcase scandal). According to these allegations, Venezuelan agents tried to pressure a Venezuelan American citizen (Guido Antonini Wilson) to lie about the origin of $790,550 in cash found in his suitcase on 4 August 2007 at a Buenos Aires airport. US prosecutors allege the money was sent to help Kirchner's presidential campaign. Some of the allegations were proven and several individuals received a prison sentence after a widely reported trial.

Fernández and Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez called the allegations "a trashing operation" and part of a conspiracy orchestrated by the US to divide Latin American nations. On 19 December 2007, she restricted the US ambassador's activities and limited his meetings to Foreign Ministry officials; a treatment reserved for hostile countries, in the opinion of a former US Assistant Secretary of State.[23][24][25] However, on 31 January, in a special meeting with Kirchner, the US Ambassador to Argentina, Earl Anthony Wayne, clarified that the allegations "were never made by the United States government," and the dispute cooled down. Having said that the prosecutors making the charges are part of the independent judicial branch of the US government.[26]


Elisa Carrió and María Estenssoro, both high ranking members of the main opposition parties, have claimed that the Argentine government's response to the allegations and its criticism of the US are a "smokescreen", that the US involvement in the affair was merely symptomatic, and the root cause of the scandal is corruption in the Argentine and Venezuelan governments.[27]

Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristina_Fern%C3%A1ndez_de_Kirchner)

Symptomatic......

No wonder Manu hates his own President...

:lol

[Nbadan]

Not gonna be so easy to steal the people wealth in Argentina anymore,,,


People wanting to exchange Argentine pesos for dollars must now explain where they got the money, and show they have paid their taxes.

Currency trading in Buenos Aires on Monday was much reduced as a result.

Many Argentines buy dollars to protect their wealth from inflation - thought to be higher than officially stated.

People buying dollars now have to give their national identity and tax number, which must then be approved by the national tax agency (AFIP) before the transaction can go ahead.

BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-15532101)

[ElNono]

Doesn't work like that at all, Dan... we've seen this movie many times before in Argieland. What happens now, is piles and piles of shady characters on the street selling and buying dollars on the black market at a premium. So not only they don't stop the money flying out of the country, they just made the black market a thriving economy.

You would think they learned the lesson the last 5 times it happened in the past 20 or so years.

[Nbadan]

they just made the black market a thriving economy.

They seem to be thriving anyway if they are paying premium prices just to expatriate WEALTH to tax havens

[ElNono]

They seem to be thriving anyway if they are paying premium prices just to expatriate WEALTH to tax havens

It's not just that. People buy dollars there to offset inflation, much like people here buys gold to do the same. It doesn't help that the "official" inflation numbers over there are completely controlled by the government and no longer reflect reality.

[Nbadan]

It's not just that. People buy dollars there to offset inflation, much like people here buys gold to do the same. It doesn't help that the "official" inflation numbers over there are completely controlled by the government and no longer reflect reality.

Are you talking about Argentina or the US?

[Nbadan]

Anyway, back to Venezuela....


The Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR) reports that the Venezuelan economy grew on average by 11.85% in the period 2004–2007.[255] According to The Washington Post, citing statistics from the United Nations, poverty in Venezuela stood at 28% in 2008,[256] down from 55.44% in 1998 before Chávez got into office.[257] Economist Mark Weisbrot found that, "During the ... economic expansion, the poverty rate [was] cut by more than half, from 54 percent of households in the first half of 2003 to 26 percent at the end of 2008. Extreme poverty has fallen even more, by 72 percent. These poverty rates measure only cash income, and does take into account increased access to health care or education.

Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez)

Nobody would have done shit for the poor people of Venezuela without Chavez...he's not perfect by any means, but its hard to find a Central or South American leader who cares more for his 99%...

[ElNono]

Are you talking about Argentina or the US?

I'm talking about getting censored and economically penalized if you publish your own numbers.

[Nbadan]

I understand...kinda like what is happening here if your in the M$M and dare to tell the truth about what is happening to many of these people arrested, tear gassed and rubber bullet

[ElNono]

I understand...kinda like what is happening here if your in the M$M and dare to tell the truth about what is happening to many of these people arrested, tear gassed and rubber bullet

Yeah, I read about it on the M$M...

[Nbadan]

Yeah, I read about it on the M$M...

Really? which one? Show me a M$M article that takes a pro-demonstrator POV.....

[ElNono]

Really? which one?

Didn't you just post pictures and articles from the denver post in the other thread, talking about the peppering, mace, etc?


Show me a M$M article that takes a pro-demonstrator POV.....

But wouldn't any outlet taking any "pro-<whatever side>" stance make it a biased source?

I thought you wanted independent journalism... :rolleyes

[Nbadan]

Didn't you just post pictures and articles from the denver post in the other thread, talking about the peppering, mace, etc?



But wouldn't any outlet taking any "pro-<whatever side>" stance make it a biased source?

I thought you wanted independent journalism... :rolleyes


Wouldn't they also by fabricating unsubstantiated reports of Oakland occupiers throwing rocks and bottles at police, or reporting that rubber bullets or explosive tear-gas were not fired by police also make them a biased source? Yet if you google stories about what happened in Oakland by a 3-1 margin, or more, that's exactly what the M$M has done....

[Nbadan]

...and those very few that didn't, those that got it right...they are minimized as 'liberal media'....

[Nbadan]

I've shown you my evidence to prove to you that there was no M$M reporting the attack on the ground, even though there was plenty of M$M in the area...I've shown you evidence that police were not ducking flying rocks or bottles prior to firing on the crowd,even though that's exactly what the M$M chose to report...I've shown you evidence that the protestors are peaceful and non-resistant when being arrested, yet the M$M regularly portrays them as a unruly mob.....

...you can chose to keep your eyes closed to these facts if you'd like, but if your going to criticize what I am posting here it would help if you got your facts straight first...

[ChumpDumper]

I've shown you my evidence to prove to you that there was no M$M reporting the attack on the ground, even though there was plenty of M$M in the area.What was that evidence?

Your word?

You didn't even look.

Your a liar, dan. A bad one.

[ElNono]

Wouldn't they also by fabricating unsubstantiated reports of Oakland occupiers throwing rocks and bottles at police, or reporting that rubber bullets or explosive tear-gas were not fired by police also make them a biased source? Yet if you google stories about what happened in Oakland by a 3-1 margin, or more, that's exactly what the M$M has done....

I read protesters saying they were fired at with rubber bullets... so, somebody is lying.

[ChumpDumper]

I read protesters saying they were fired at with rubber bullets... so, somebody is lying.dan never looked.

[Nbadan]

dan never looked.

Chumpy is butthurt....

Police deny rubber bullets were used but blame the crowd for antagonizing police and throwing bottles and rocks

no proof

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/occupy-oakland-protestors-clash-police-tear-gas-14818322

[Nbadan]

ABC News: No report of rubber bullets, report of bottles and rocks thrown at police

no proof

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/occupy-oakland-police-clash-caught-tape-14822241

[Nbadan]

CBS News: Not sure how Olsen was injured, no report of rubber bullets or flash bangs

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7386288n

[Nbadan]

CBS News: Protestors threw rocks and bottles, no mention of rubber bullets fired

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RPWxJeTcdk&feature=relmfu

[ElNono]

CBS News: Not sure how Olsen was injured, no report of rubber bullets or flash bangs

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7386288n

CBS News:
police confirmed to the newspaper that they used pepper spray and either rubber bullets or pepper balls to break up the crowd.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500188_162-20127440/denver-police-move-into-occupy-encampment/

Chicago Tribune:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/kdvr-occupy-denver-protests-turn-violent-prompting-police-action-20111029,0,6639611.story

AP:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iI2wQxirLA6iW5iv-DW9Pm2soAKA?docId=36ba994a195a49e8883498f154531795

The Atlantic Wire:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2011/10/recapping-clash-between-denver-police-and-occupy-protesters/44320/

The Coloradoan:
http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20111029/NEWS11/111029014/Denver-police-arrests-Occupy-Denver-protesters?odyssey=nav%7Chead

CNN:
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-10-28/us/us_california-occupy-olsen_1_makeshift-bombs-computer-whiz-4th-marine-regiment?_s=PM:US

[Nbadan]

Fox News: Violent protestors clash with police, no report of rubber bullets fired

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/police-protesters-clash-during-occupy-oakland-ncx-20111026

[Nbadan]

either rubber bullets or pepper balls

:lmao

[ElNono]

Sorry Dan, don't have time to keep doing your job for you.

But all those articles mention rubber bullets one way or another. I know I've read about it before you even commented on it.

[Nbadan]

I could go on like this all night....the M$M like Nono and Chumpy don't care about the truth....I'm not sure what their agenda is here, but clearly they have an agenda and it's not the truth..

[ElNono]

The chaotic scene unfolded with flash-bang grenades, rubber bullets and clouds of smoke. Canisters whizzed through the air amid deafening booms.

It's a pity that CNN isn't mainstream enough... :rolleyes

[Nbadan]

From EL OHNO's own link..

no report of rubber bullets fired...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500188_1...py-encampment/

[Nbadan]

another of El OhNo's link

no mention of rubber bullets

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/kdvr-occupy-denver-protests-turn-violent-prompting-police-action-20111029,0,6639611.story

[ElNono]

another of El OhNo's link

no mention of rubber bullets

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/kdvr-occupy-denver-protests-turn-violent-prompting-police-action-20111029,0,6639611.story

Police confirm that a few officers have resorted to pepper spray and other non-lethal devices such as rubber bullets in an effort to control the crowd.

[ElNono]

From EL OHNO's own link..

no report of rubber bullets fired...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500188_1...py-encampment/

Mike Korzen, 25, said he was among the protesters whom police dispersed with rubber bullets and pepper spray.

[ElNono]

Now you just can't read...

[Nbadan]

Another of El OHNO's link

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iI2wQxirLA6iW5iv-DW9Pm2soAKA?docId=36ba994a195a49e8883498f154531795

no mention of Oakland...it's like OHNO is throwing shit against the wall and seeing if it sticks...unfortunately for him, I do my homework

[Nbadan]

Show me the broadcast media proof you worm

[Winehole23]

Move the goalposts, much? :lol

[Winehole23]

Not that it will help you very much...

[ElNono]

Show me the broadcast media proof you worm

Why are you mad, Dan? After all, the M$M *did* report on it... you should be happy about it.

[ChumpDumper]

Man, that was brutal.

lol worm