Favorite ass beating your team has delivered

[Monostradamus]

Best beatdown of all time by your team.

Here's ours :lol

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[pass1st]

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Either one, hard to pick

[Monostradamus]

:lol if that's your definition of an ass beating then suicide might be a viable option for you.

[Monostradamus]

lakers seem to be on the receiving end of alot of series clinching ass beatings :lmao

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[pass1st]

Losing that much of a lead and letting 1 player dominate you alone is an ass beating. It's supposed to be a team game, just sad if one player outscores you. Also, how do you blow a ~50% lead in the 4th?

Pretty solid ass beatings :wakeup

[pass1st]

Losing that much of a lead and letting 1 player dominate you alone is an ass beating. It's supposed to be a team game, just sad if one player outscores you. Also, how do you blow a ~50% lead in the 4th?

Pretty solid ass beatings :wakeup

They have been in the playoffs a lot, given and received. Nothing to be ashamed of, just how the game goes :wakeup

[Leetonidas]

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[baseline bum]

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This is likely the same face he's giving Stern now tbh.

[Monostradamus]

:lmao there is no bigger quitter on earth than Kobe when he knows he can't win. I wonder how many series losing games he's played in where the game was actually close? I'm betting close to zero.

[JoeTait75]

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[lefty]

" 52% ..... For my daughter ..."
:cry

[pass1st]

Never was a Kobe fan, you might wanna try a different player to get a rise.

[Monostradamus]

Never was a Kobe fan, you might wanna try a different player to get a rise.

Who are you? Sorry tbh there's quite a few Lakerfans on this site I'm more interested in getting a rise out of than whoever you are.

[Nathan89]

:lmao Kobe has no fight in him

[Axe Murderer]

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[Monostradamus]

Kobe Bryant series losing games and their scores

1997 vs Utah, 98-93
1998 vs Utah, 96-92
1999 vs San Antonio, 118-107
2003 vs San Antonio, 110-82
2004 vs Detroit, 100-87 *DET had a 23 point lead before LA outscored them in garbage time
2006 vs Phoenix, 121-90
2007 vs Phoenix, 119-110
2008 vs Boston, 131-92
2011 vs Dallas, 122-86

So out of 9 series losers, he got his ass beat in 5 of them. But if you take away his first 2 seasons since he was still a role player, and just use series' where he was a legitimate #1 and/or #2 player for the team, that number is 5 out of 7.

:lol nobody quits on his team like Kobe.

[Red Hawk #21]

Kobe Bryant series losing games and their scores

1997 vs Utah, 98-93
1998 vs Utah, 96-92
1999 vs San Antonio, 118-107
2003 vs San Antonio, 110-82
2004 vs Detroit, 100-87 *DET had a 23 point lead before LA outscored them in garbage time
2006 vs Phoenix, 121-90
2007 vs Phoenix, 119-110
2008 vs Boston, 131-92
2011 vs Dallas, 122-86

So out of 9 series losers, he got his ass beat in 5 of them. But if you take away his first 2 seasons since he was still a role player, and just use series' where he was a legitimate #1 and/or #2 player for the team, that number is 5 out of 7.

:lol nobody quits on his team like Kobe.

Let's see how Laker Fan defends this one...

[skut_farkus]

but but he scored 81 against the raptors during the regular season:rolleyes

[pass1st]

Who are you? Sorry tbh there's quite a few Lakerfans on this site I'm more interested in getting a rise out of than whoever you are.

Doesn't seem to be that many, perhaps you can't count very high?

[ElNono]

:lol nobody quits on his team like Kobe.

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Los Angeles Lakers coach Phil Jackson was so upset he spoke to reporters for 5 seconds and then walked away. Kobe Bryant sneaked out of the locker room before addressing the press at all.

[AP Story (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/41590727/ns/sports-nba/)]

:lol

[Blake]

Doesn't seem to be that many, perhaps you can't count very high?

your mistake here was you shot1st

[ElNono]

For the Spurs it would be the 2007 Finals, tbh

[Spursfan092120]

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absolute destruction...to see the Lakers unfold like that, with those cheap shots by Odom and Bynum, was really unexpected..but then again, so was them getting completely handled in that game, beginning to end.

[Venti Quattro]

111-72, 111-82 after taking two in SA

101-71

And this http://articles.latimes.com/1986-04-18/sports/sp-497_1_san-antonio

[ElNono]

And this http://articles.latimes.com/1986-04-18/sports/sp-497_1_san-antonio

Spur Coach Cotton Fitzsimmons :lol

[baseline bum]

My #2
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199906040POR.html
Spurs @ Blazers, Game 3 1999 WCF

Spurs 85 Blazers 63, though it was a way bigger blowout then it looks. Portland had just blown the 18 point 3rd quarter lead and lost the game on Elliott's shot in game 2, and they just laid down and died when the Spurs started applying pressure in game 3. They were held to 37 points in the final 3 quarters of the game.

[Giuseppe]

Mono, with tiny steps, 5 months into it.

tee, hee.

[LkrFan]

And this http://articles.latimes.com/1986-04-18/sports/sp-497_1_san-antonio

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[Koolaid_Man]

Who are you? Sorry tbh there's quite a few Lakerfans on this site I'm more interested in getting a rise out of than whoever you are.


Bend over and I'll show you a rise. :toast

[Giuseppe]

absolute destruction...to see the Lakers unfold like that, with those cheap shots by Odom and Bynum, was really unexpected..but then again, so was them getting completely handled in that game, beginning to end.

Like The Skunker & 8.

[Giuseppe]

:lmao there is no bigger quitter on earth than Kobe when he knows he can't win. I wonder how many series losing games he's played in where the game was actually close? I'm betting close to zero.

Your bunch quit too in Florida in '06.

You've no room.

[Giuseppe]

:lmao Kobe has no fight in him

After The Skunker & 8 you've nary room.

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

Kobe Bryant series losing games and their scores

1997 vs Utah, 98-93
1998 vs Utah, 96-92
1999 vs San Antonio, 118-107
2003 vs San Antonio, 110-82
2004 vs Detroit, 100-87 *DET had a 23 point lead before LA outscored them in garbage time
2006 vs Phoenix, 121-90
2007 vs Phoenix, 119-110
2008 vs Boston, 131-92
2011 vs Dallas, 122-86

So out of 9 series losers, he got his ass beat in 5 of them. But if you take away his first 2 seasons since he was still a role player, and just use series' where he was a legitimate #1 and/or #2 player for the team, that number is 5 out of 7.

:lol nobody quits on his team like Kobe.
You didn't mention a lot of Lakers history where this kind of stuff happens, it's their misfortune, a price to pay for having so many titles and almost always making the playoffs. Boston isn't anywhere near perfect either, they have a habit of either blowing the ECF with HCA, or not even making the playoffs for years on end.

Anyway, I'll just go back to 1973.
1973: Won game 1 of finals with HCA, lost 4 straight to Knicks
1977: Swept 4-0 by Portland in WCF with HCA, blown out in game 1, last 3 close.
1981: Lost 3 game mini series to 40-42 Rockets, including both at home.
1983: Swept in finals by Sixers. Had Magic been healthy. Lakers might have won 1 game. Sixers were just too good that year.
1986: WCF, with HCA beat Houston in game 1, lost 4 straight.
1989: Finals, Swept by Pistons in finals. w/o Magic and Scott. Lakers probably 3peat with them.
1991: Finals, Beat Bulls in game 1, lost 4 straight. Worthy was hurt, otherwise Lakers lose in 6 or maybe 7.
1993: as 8th seed, took 2-0 lead over #1 Phoenix in round 1, lost last 3, finale went to OT.

To answer 1997 to date.
1997: Another Lakers team is swept
1998: Lakers lose 4-1
1999: Lakers down 3-0 when finale played, another sweep
2003: Tony Parker had the 4th quarter of his life. Lakers problem that year was it was a 2 man team, Fisher being 3rd option on offense. 5th seed didn't help, caused by Shaq missing so many games. Lakers weren't even in playoff position until Late December, early January.
2004: Still a 2 man team. Malone out, Payton sucked, Lakers sucked whole finals.
2006: If not for Kobe's play, Lakers lose that series in 5 games. Lakers knew they were beaten when they lost game 6.
2007: Phoenix did what they were supposed to in 2006.
2008: Boston without a title for 22 years smelled blood.
2011: Similar to game 6 vs. Boston in 2008. Lakers answered that by winning two titles. Let's see if they still have it in them to compete and win again, they didn't forget 2008.

Kobe has had some great teams, but he also lost to some great teams. Same with all the other Lakers greats of years past that were humbled as shown. Magic and Kareem had worse series losses than Kobe did. Or, ask Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, and Elgin Baylor for some stories. Then try Dr. J., Oscar Robertson, and just about any other great player, past or present.

However, I understand the attitude against Kobe, props for pointing out his team failures. It's just nothing new to someone who knows NBA history.

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Losing that much of a lead and letting 1 player dominate you alone is an ass beating. It's supposed to be a team game, just sad if one player outscores you. Also, how do you blow a ~50% lead in the 4th?

Pretty solid ass beatings :wakeup

lol regular season

[stretch]

Never was a Kobe fan, you might wanna try a different player to get a rise.

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lol at all the nostalic 80s fans who claim magic and bird never choked and were virtually perfect basketball players

:lmao Magic choking an entire series away harder than Dirk or Kobe or a number of other great modern players have ever come close to choking.

[baseline bum]

1983: Swept in finals by Sixers. Had Magic been healthy. Lakers might have won 1 game. Sixers were just too good that year.

Magic? He played every game, didn't he? Wasn't Worthy the one who missed the playoffs that year?

[Giuseppe]

Magic choking an entire series away harder than Dirk or Kobe or a number of other great modern players have ever come close to choking.

Please. Dirk in '06 takes the cake, daddy.

[pass1st]

lol regular season

And?

[pass1st]

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lol at all the nostalic 80s fans who claim magic and bird never choked and were virtually perfect basketball players

:lmao Magic choking an entire series away harder than Dirk or Kobe or a number of other great modern players have ever come close to choking.

Right player, wrong approach. Magic choked, pretty well known piece of history. How many times has Dirk n Crew choked? You have to dig a little deeper and not ignore hypocrisy if you want to get somewhere. 3/10

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

Magic? He played every game, didn't he? Wasn't Worthy the one who missed the playoffs that year?
Worthy was a rookie and did go down late in the year. Nixon got banged up, looked like a prizefighter who got knocked out when they helped him back to the locker room. Yes, Magic played very game, but he was playing hurt, as in 1981. McAdoo missed 7 playoff games as well, he was critical in beating the Sixers in 1982 finals. Don't remember if he missed the finals or not. Anyway, even if the Lakers were 100%, they best win one game, that's how good those Sixers were. Remember this, the Sixers beat the Celtics twice in 1980 and 1982 and gave the Lakers all they could handle in the finals even though they lost them both 4-2. Getting Moses Malone in 1983 made them unstoppable. Think how much better the Spurs would have been if they had Dwight Howard take DRob's place in 2004. They would have been just as good as those 1983 Sixers.

[baseline bum]

Worthy was a rookie and did go down late in the year. Nixon got banged up, looked like a prizefighter who got knocked out when they helped him back to the locker room. Yes, Magic played very game, but he was playing hurt, as in 1981. McAdoo missed 7 playoff games as well, he was critical in beating the Sixers in 1982 finals. Don't remember if he missed the finals or not. Anyway, even if the Lakers were 100%, they best win one game, that's how good those Sixers were. Remember this, the Sixers beat the Celtics twice in 1980 and 1982 and gave the Lakers all they could handle in the finals even though they lost them both 4-2. Getting Moses Malone in 1983 made them unstoppable. Think how much better the Spurs would have been if they had Dwight Howard take DRob's place in 2004. They would have been just as good as those 1983 Sixers.

Yeah, that team's rotation was ridiculous. Cheeks, Toney, Erving, Malone, and I can't remember who started at the 4 (was it Iavaroni?). Then Bobby Jones and Caldwell Jones off the bench? Toney may be the most underrated player in the history of the game. Too bad he couldn't stay healthy so the Sixers could have been contenders as Barkley was hitting his prime.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Pretty sure I'varoni started at the 4 for them. Idk anything about him as a basketball player but he's a classic example of someone who was a shit coach in spite of everyone assuming untalented white guy who played in the NBA = future HOF coach.

[baseline bum]

Pretty sure I'varoni started at the 4 for them. Idk anything about him as a basketball player but he's a classic example of someone who was a shit coach in spite of everyone assuming untalented white guy who played in the NBA = future HOF coach.

Haha... I remember how awful he was playing for the Spurs.

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

I have a number of recollections about those 1983 playoffs. That might have been the year Tree Rollins of the Hawks bit Danny Ainge's finger down to the tendon. The video was posted recently. The Milwaukee Bucks swept the Boston Celtics in round 2 without having HCA. The Lakers/Spurs WCF was highly competitive with the Spurs winning 2 in LA. Game 6 was replayed awhile back on NBA TV, it was an exciting game, right down to the wire. George Gervin made a fan out of me during the brief rivalry they had in the 1982 and 1983 WCF's. Come the finals, I recall betting on the Lakers and getting 5.5 points in game 1. It was close thoughout and my money looked safe with time running out and Lakers down by 4. Some Laker took a shot with a couple of seconds left and missed. Moses Malone grabbed the rebound and Magic Johnson instinctively made an intentional foul with like a second left. Malone made both free throws and my bet was lost. I recall LA got some big leads in games 3 and 4 with their bench chipping in being forced to play because the starters couldn't get on the court. However, the scrubs proved why they were role players, and lost back easily what they worked so hard to attain. Again, no one was stopping Philadelphia that year.

[baseline bum]

That was bitter loss for the Spurs in 83; Artis Gilmore dropped a rebound or something on what should have been an easy putback at the buzzer to force game 7. :pctoss

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

Yeah, that team's rotation was ridiculous. Cheeks, Toney, Erving, Malone, and I can't remember who started at the 4 (was it Iavaroni?). Then Bobby Jones and Caldwell Jones off the bench? Toney may be the most underrated player in the history of the game. Too bad he couldn't stay healthy so the Sixers could have been contenders as Barkley was hitting his prime.
Bobby Jones was the 6th man, and would be an ideal player today and could start for any team. Caldwell Jones went to Houston in compensation for signing Malone as a free agent, and the Sixers had already dumped their other center Daryl Dawkins. Marc Iavoroni was the other starter. Sixers integrated him to be their version and counter of Kurt Rambis; A clumsy white guy who would hustle everywhere he could on the court. Toney could score at will it seemed, that guy could ball.

[Giuseppe]

No one even took Dallas six games and they won the title. Although you wouldnt know by their behavior.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[baseline bum]

I'll :downspin: it. No one even took Dallas six games and they won the title. Although you wouldnt know by their behavior. Boston was the best team in the league and won it. According to most sports writers the Suns were the best team in the league in '07 and '06, which is why Nash won back to back MVP's. The Detroit series is no excuse, but once again they lost to the Champs. Both Spurs defeats came in a year the Spurs won the title. Put those Utah series on Shaq. Now, how many times have Dirk, and Jim got steam rolled by teams that didnt even go to the finals. Look those up, would ya, you flat ear'd fucker.

Also, Kobe has closed out more teams on the road than anyone in NBA history. His killer instinct is unmatched.

You're right; that was pretty embarrassing to see the Spurs go out in 04 and 08 to a Kobe who shit the bed in the next round.

[Giuseppe]

Come the finals, I recall betting on the Lakers and getting 5.5 points in game 1. It was close thoughout and my money looked safe with time running out and Lakers down by 4. Some Laker took a shot with a couple of seconds left and missed. Moses Malone grabbed the rebound and Magic Johnson instinctively made an intentional foul with like a second left. Malone made both free throws and my bet was lost. I recall LA got some big leads in games 3 and 4 with their bench chipping in being forced to play because the starters couldn't get on the court. However, the scrubs proved why they were role players, and lost back easily what they worked so hard to attain. Again, no one was stopping Philadelphia that year.

Jabbar couldn't deal properly with Malone. Jabbar was too tall and corkscrewed himself around Malone on the defensive end. By the time he unraveled Malone had made mincemeat of him.

[Giuseppe]

You're right; that was pretty embarrassing to see the Spurs go out in 04 and 08 to a Kobe who shit the bed in the next round.

09 and 010 with The Skunker & 8 respectively wasn't anything to brag about either.

tee, hee.

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And?

Just saying.


Right player, wrong approach. Magic choked, pretty well known piece of history. How many times has Dirk n Crew choked? You have to dig a little deeper and not ignore hypocrisy if you want to get somewhere. 3/10

lol dribbling out a shot clock with a chance to ice the game

lol conveniently not reading my post stating that Dirk and crew HAS choked, but by playing poorly. Dirk never just gave games away like Magic did that series. Much worse chokejob, tbqmfh.

lol needing the greatest center of all time to bail your ass out to get to 5 rings

[Giuseppe]

Dirk never just gave games away like Magic did that series. Much worse chokejob, tbqmfh.


tee, hee. Stretch parsing chokes.

It's absolutely adorable.

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Now, how many times have Dirk, and Jim got steam rolled by teams that didnt even go to the finals. Look those up, would ya, you flat ear'd fucker.

by this logic...

Jason Terry/Michael Finley > Shaquille O'Neal/Pau Gasol

also,

Tony Parker/Manu Ginobili > Shaquille O'Neal/Pau Gasol



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[Giuseppe]

At least Stretch is finally acting NBA Champ. Tardy by almost 5 months, but, gettin' there nonetheless.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[stretch]

No one even took Dallas six games and they won the title. Although you wouldnt know by their behavior.


:lmao:lmao:lmao

i dont get why this keeps coming up, and these idiots think its actually clever or something. is this supposed to be insulting? please fill me in, faggots.

[Giuseppe]

i dont get why this keeps coming up, and these idiots think its actually clever or something. is this supposed to be insulting?

What's good for the goose, is sauce for the gander.

Let us proceed...

[stretch]

What's good for the goose, is sauce for the gander.

Let us proceed...

:lobt2:

[stretch]

It got a rise out of you.

did it?

kinda like everyone discovering your love for naruto, and you sucking my dick to get into the RK and us calling you out on it got a rise out of you?

win :toast

[Giuseppe]

did it?

kinda like everyone discovering your love for naruto, and you sucking my dick to get into the RK and us calling you out on it got a rise out of you?

win :toast

Stretch held out for like a half hour before he blew out his flip flop. Congratulations, Stretch. That's like a record for you, daddy.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[stretch]

You lil twerp. The made up threads are like great monuments constructed in my image. You all cant touch me, so you have no choice but to imagine shit to humor yourselves. You better thank mono for standing up to me, lord knows that you pussies were about to crown me King of your crew. In fact, he threatened to leave yall bitch ass krew once he saw how much yall loved sucking my cock in that thread.

Im empowered by yall worshiping me. This is why Kori refers to this forum as the Lakaluva Obsessed Forum. I dont even need to post anymore. My name will be echoed through eternity as long as there is a world wide web. Im a religion...:rollin

lol thinking obsession by GNSF amounts to anything

lemme tell you something... GNSF are the biggest ass-sniffing maggots in mankind. all you have to do is look in the Spurs forum, and see how anytime phillip posts a "LMAO spurs" thread, it gets about 100000 replies.

you think you have accomplished something? you havent accomplished jack shit, you towel-headded, anime-loving fucklick.

:lobt2:

[redzero]

Kumagawa will never be able to maintain an erection, because that would result in winning. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/ofc5ra1.png

[Giuseppe]

^Red, easin' on down into the do-do.

You look pisser, Red.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[pass1st]

Just saying.



lol dribbling out a shot clock with a chance to ice the game

lol conveniently not reading my post stating that Dirk and crew HAS choked, but by playing poorly. Dirk never just gave games away like Magic did that series. Much worse chokejob, tbqmfh.

lol needing the greatest center of all time to bail your ass out to get to 5 rings

Mavs let 1 guy outscore them, just saying.

Is Dirk the leader of the Mavericks? If you say yes, then you have to acknowledge he gave up games in 2006 and against the warriors. If you say no, you diminished his value. You can't have both, kid. Leaders shoulder the responsibility for their teams losses.

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But she didnt say this was a phillip obsessed forum, she CHOSE ME! I own the mavfag krew. I sent you homos underground and forced you to form a boy krew. Now :downspin: that shit.

because you are stupid enough to think that trolling GNSF 24/7 makes you a boss. unfortuantely you fail to capture any of the upper class in your little schticks.

trollings GNSF is simply a true regulators bread and butter, very simple, easy to accomplish, but not very filling. us motherfuckers up our game, and go for the filet mignon.


Hold up a sec. Is this your attempt of wiping the shit from your eyes and finally making a stand? You think you can stand up to me!!!

You stood up to yourself when you started watching Naruto. No need for me to do any standing.

[stretch]

Mavs let 1 guy outscore them, just saying.

Is Dirk the leader of the Mavericks? If you say yes, then you have to acknowledge he gave up games in 2006 and against the warriors. If you say no, you diminished his value. You can't have both, kid. Leaders shoulder the responsibility for their teams losses.

And it was in a regular season, when the Lakers were ousted in the first round, while the Mavs went to the finals, just saying.



What games in either of those series did he have in his grasp, and singlehandedly give away?

The only thing that comes CLOSE to any single of those 50 chokejobs that Magic pulled in that one series, was Dirk missing a FT to send a game to OT in 2006, which was already given away well before he had to shoot those FTs.

Like I said, Dirk has had his times where he came up short, no question, but none of what he did came close to Magic singlehandedly giving away an entire Finals series :lmao

But after further thought, you are right, its the leader who bears the responsibility of the losses, so I guess its only right to blame that 84 series in Kareem, being that he was the true best player on those Laker squads.

[Jelloisjigglin]

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This more recent one comes to mind. I just couldn't stand that faggot ass Nugget team. It was beautiful watching us dismantle them like that.

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while it wasnt as sweet as blowing the Lakers out, it was pretty damn sweet to see faggots like Jon Barry, Ryan Bowen, and Mike James (lol ejected) sitting around pouting after all their shit talking. :lmao germinator

[pass1st]

And it was in a regular season, when the Lakers were ousted in the first round, while the Mavs went to the finals, just saying.



What games in either of those series did he have in his grasp, and singlehandedly give away?

The only thing that comes CLOSE to any single of those 50 chokejobs that Magic pulled in that one series, was Dirk missing a FT to send a game to OT in 2006, which was already given away well before he had to shoot those FTs.

Like I said, Dirk has had his times where he came up short, no question, but none of what he did came close to Magic singlehandedly giving away an entire Finals series :lmao

But after further thought, you are right, its the leader who bears the responsibility of the losses, so I guess its only right to blame that 84 series in Kareem, being that he was the true best player on those Laker squads.

Can't deny Lakers failed to ring, just like you can't deny your entire team basically lost to one player. I don't remember Mavs ringing that year either....they kinda haven't rang yet, just saying

Dirk couldnt lead his team past an 8th seed or an overrated Heat team. Honestly, the only reason they won this year was simply that everybody else picked up the slack for Dirk.

Magic or Kareem, which actually led the team; that's a grey area I often pondered before. Kareem gave the points, but Magic called the plays. Could Kareem have been the offensive machine without Magic feeding him? Could Magic have rung being the #1 option? Neither would be real; Magic made his team better and proved to be the best playmaker of the era. If you believe leadership is a black and white area where stats decide it, then you have a simplistic view to the subject akin to most fair-weather fans such as yourself.

[Muser]

Honestly, the only reason they won this year was simply that everybody else picked up the slack for Dirk.



It also helped that Dirk was phenomenal.

[stretch]

Can't deny Lakers failed to ring, just like you can't deny your entire team basically lost to one player. I don't remember Mavs ringing that year either....they kinda haven't rang yet, just saying

And your 2-time championship team got buttfucked by a team of "chokers" in Dirk, Marion, Terry, and Peja, just saying.


Dirk couldnt lead his team past an 8th seed or an overrated Heat team. Honestly, the only reason they won this year was simply that everybody else picked up the slack for Dirk.

Kinda like the only reason the Lakers won the past couple years was Derek Fisher and Pau Gasol picking up the slack for Kobe? Hm.


Magic or Kareem, which actually led the team; that's a grey area I often pondered before. Kareem gave the points, but Magic called the plays. Could Kareem have been the offensive machine without Magic feeding him? Could Magic have rung being the #1 option? Neither would be real; Magic made his team better and proved to be the best playmaker of the era. If you believe leadership is a black and white area where stats decide it, then you have a simplistic view to the subject akin to most fair-weather fans such as yourself.

Kareem was already widely considered the most dominant player in the NBA before Magic even came into the NBA, and won a title prior to playing with Magic. I don't think that is a simplistic view where I am letting stats decide things at all. Truth is, Magic was never the undisputed #1 option on a team that rang, while Kareem was.

[stretch]

It also helped that Dirk was phenomenal.

Being reasonable isn't exactly his strong suit, being a Laker fan and all. Add to it, that his mancrush Magic Johnson is being bashed on, and hes completely incapacitated.

[Jose Canseco]

Who are you? Sorry tbh there's quite a few Lakerfans on this site I'm more interested in getting a rise out of than whoever you are.

In fairness, those other Laker fans are probably just trolls of Mavs fans

[Giuseppe]

Team: Sacramento Kings

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Kyle Orton]

Seppe, get on your knees bitch.

[Giuseppe]

Team: Denver Nuggets

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[z0sa]

Game 6 vs LA in 03 definitely ranks high in my book. Seeing those two assholes cry on live television in front of millions and millions as their team got put away in embarrassing fashion has got to be one of the underdog's all-time greatest sports moments.

[djohn2oo8]

You lil twerp. The made up threads are like great monuments constructed in my image. You all cant touch me, so you have no choice but to imagine shit to humor yourselves. You better thank mono for standing up to me, lord knows that you pussies were about to crown me King of your crew. In fact, he threatened to leave yall bitch ass krew once he saw how much yall loved sucking my cock in that thread.

Im empowered by yall worshiping me. This is why Kori refers to this forum as the Lakaluva Obsessed Forum. I dont even need to post anymore. My name will be echoed through eternity as long as there is a world wide web. Im a religion...:rollin

Whatever helps you deal with you knowing you're asian.

[Kyle Orton]

Whatever helps you deal with you knowing you're asian.

You're Asian too tho IMHO

http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h475/riceninja29/101219-164830.jpg

[djohn2oo8]

You're Asian too tho IMHO

http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h475/riceninja29/101219-164830.jpg

lol going on a date with cul

[djohn2oo8]

posted my pic before, scro

[Kyle Orton]

I'm not hating tbh, it's yo boy MavDynasty. Idk why u hatin on ur blood when u got da some blood yourself imo

[Giuseppe]

Game 6 vs LA in 03 definitely ranks high in my book. Seeing those two assholes cry on live television in front of millions and millions as their team got put away in embarrassing fashion has got to be one of the underdog's all-time greatest sports moments.

:rolleyes

[djohn2oo8]

I'm not hating tbh, it's yo boy MavDynasty. Idk why u hatin on ur blood when u got da some blood yourself imo

Rooted for my team before June of 2002. None of that blood ova hea

[Jodelo]

the only reason they won this year was simply that everybody else picked up the slack for Dirk.

Yep, Dirk was god afwul...

Are you that stupid?

[djohn2oo8]

Yep, Dirk was god afwul...

Are you that stupid?

He meant that everyone played their supporting roles well.

[pass1st]

And your 2-time championship team got buttfucked by a team of "chokers" in Dirk, Marion, Terry, and Peja, just saying.



Kinda like the only reason the Lakers won the past couple years was Derek Fisher and Pau Gasol picking up the slack for Kobe? Hm.



Kareem was already widely considered the most dominant player in the NBA before Magic even came into the NBA, and won a title prior to playing with Magic. I don't think that is a simplistic view where I am letting stats decide things at all. Truth is, Magic was never the undisputed #1 option on a team that rang, while Kareem was.

Shit happens, wasn't outscored by a single player though. Or lost to an 8th seed...just sayin.

Never liked Kobe, he gets too much credit. Laker fan, not Kobe fan.

Being the #1 scoring option isnt really being a leader, it simply makes you the best player. Magic made his team better, he made Kareem better as he got on in years. You are stat minded and forget that how a team won often means more than by how much they won. Kareem is my 2nd favorite player, I never would say anything to bring down his importance to the Lakers. That being said, he wasn't the man who called the shots. Each player had a job, Kareem had the biggest job; Magic's job, though, was to lead and put the ball in the right place. If you believe stats = leadership then you are entitled to you're narrow-minded view. Although you don't seem to understand what the big deal about Magic really was, as such I don't blame you for being a stat head.

[Giuseppe]

Laker fan, not Kobe fan.

You fuck, you.

[Findog]

Magic was easily the best player on the two Laker title teams that repeated in the late eighties.

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Shit happens, wasn't outscored by a single player though. Or lost to an 8th seed...just sayin.

Too bad Kobe was only able to do that in a regular season game, not a game that actually mattered, especially when his team needed him most, like in the 2011 playoffs... just sayin.


Never liked Kobe, he gets too much credit. Laker fan, not Kobe fan.

Don't like the best player in Laker franchise history? Interesting.


Being the #1 scoring option isnt really being a leader, it simply makes you the best player. Magic made his team better, he made Kareem better as he got on in years. You are stat minded and forget that how a team won often means more than by how much they won. Kareem is my 2nd favorite player, I never would say anything to bring down his importance to the Lakers. That being said, he wasn't the man who called the shots. Each player had a job, Kareem had the biggest job; Magic's job, though, was to lead and put the ball in the right place. If you believe stats = leadership then you are entitled to you're narrow-minded view. Although you don't seem to understand what the big deal about Magic really was, as such I don't blame you for being a stat head.

Didn't say being the #1 scoring option makes you a leader, but make no mistake, Kareem was every bit as big of a leader as Magic was. It was basically Shaq/Kobe, in that they were 1a and 1b, and both brought equally important things to the table.

However, Kareem proved something Magic didnt, that he could be the indisputed #1 of a championship team.

I understand what made Magic so great, but his greatness gets overrated at times by certain nostalgic fans. Maybe you should try bringing another argument to the table instead of just resorting to the "you're a narrow-minded stat-head!!!" even though I haven't listed a single stat in this conversation.

[slick'81]

yeah cn kobe and fish crying like bitches is tops for shooooooooo

[redzero]

Nah, you're wrong, man. Medaka is simply misunderstood. She can't be blamed for being annoying, because she's abnormal and shouldn't be held to the same values as normal people. That's why she gets a free pass for holding no value on friendship, loyalty, and emotional attachment and treating the whole world like her social experimental playground. Also, she's got rocking tittays, so she can treat people as poorly as she wants. So what I'm trying to say is...

You don't understand this manga. http://www.narutoforums.com/images/smilies/series3/2z7exox.png







http://www.narutoforums.com/images/smilies/series2/kruemelmonster.gif

[stretch]

^ :lmao what a faggot

[Giuseppe]

lol going on a date with cul

:lmao

[redzero]

I love the go to line of "You don't understand this manga" because somehow a manga aimed at 12 year olds is too deep and genius to comprehend. Medaka's a cockteasing bitch...what's so hard to understand? http://www.narutoforums.com/images/smilies/series2/kruemelmonster.gif

BTW...

Spoiler:
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/3999/54828989201110282143002.jpg

He only shot at Kikaijima because she tried to attack him. Man, she's useless.




http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/112hqmv.png

[djohn2oo8]

Lol... worlds smallest cocks.

Lol bitter ASIAN male age 28...Notice i put asian in all caps so you would have a fair size to compare yourself with.

[pass1st]

Too bad Kobe was only able to do that in a regular season game, not a game that actually mattered, especially when his team needed him most, like in the 2011 playoffs... just sayin.



Don't like the best player in Laker franchise history? Interesting.



Didn't say being the #1 scoring option makes you a leader, but make no mistake, Kareem was every bit as big of a leader as Magic was. It was basically Shaq/Kobe, in that they were 1a and 1b, and both brought equally important things to the table.

However, Kareem proved something Magic didnt, that he could be the indisputed #1 of a championship team.

I understand what made Magic so great, but his greatness gets overrated at times by certain nostalgic fans. Maybe you should try bringing another argument to the table instead of just resorting to the "you're a narrow-minded stat-head!!!" even though I haven't listed a single stat in this conversation.

It sill happened, against a team that tried to win...just sayin

If you want to say they were both leaders, then that's what I always accepted. Kareem was the #1 scorer, but for everything done from inbounds to the final pass, who was the man taking care of it and making the best use of his team? Are you actually trying to downplay the majority of what basketball is on the offensive end?

You don't have to cite a stat to be a stat head; you look at scoring and being the first option as being a leader. They are boxscore qualities aNd not really an argument, but an observation. You downplay what isn't shown in the boxscore, which so far I need not argue because you repeated instances multiple times.

So you think Kobe is better than Shaq, Kareem and Magic? You're even more delusional than a bandwagon laker fan. I don't have to like Kobe to be an LAL fan, he's just one player in a team with a long history. It's different for your team, I suppose, since your team is still trying to conceive their own history.

[stretch]

If you want to say they were both leaders, then that's what I always accepted. Kareem was the #1 scorer, but for everything done from inbounds to the final pass, who was the man taking care of it and making the best use of his team? Are you actually trying to downplay the majority of what basketball is on the offensive end?

You don't have to cite a stat to be a stat head; you look at scoring and being the first option as being a leader. They are boxscore qualities aNd not really an argument, but an observation. You downplay what isn't shown in the boxscore, which so far I need not argue because you repeated instances multiple times.

Where did I downplay anything not shown in the boxscore?

Either way, half the shit I said was just to fuck with you and your mancrush on Magic. However, I have a hard time believing a non-leader finds a way to win 6 MVPs.


So you think Kobe is better than Shaq, Kareem and Magic? You're even more delusional than a bandwagon laker fan. I don't have to like Kobe to be an LAL fan, he's just one player in a team with a long history. It's different for your team, I suppose, since your team is still trying to conceive their own history.

As a Laker, yes, he's a greater Laker than Shaq, Kareem, and Magic. He accomplished basically the same things as Magic by being a 1a/1b for 3 titles, then being the main guy for 2. He accomplished more than Shaq, obviously. And as great as Kareem was, again, he was 1a/1b and was not as great as he was when in Milwaukee.

He may not be a greater all-time player than Kareem, but every bit as great of a Laker as him and Magic. The only reason people say otherwise is again, the same reason 80s basketball and a lot of their players get overrated... nostalgia. Look at all the knobslobbing of Kobe we already have to see today. In 20 years from now, imagine the blowjobs he will be getting, much like Magic and Bird and others are getting these days.

[Brazil]

I don't think that's it. I was dating one girl for a few weeks and she never mentioned it. We broke up because she decided she wanted to just be alone and not involved. I've had plenty of girls tell me I am good in bed. I don't sweat it.

I guess because of my origin (Paki), I am accustomed to not considering that aspect of myself as important. Paki men are not horses however we still please our women. Women are more interested in how you treat them than the size of your penis.

So I doubt anyone would just not say anything if they thought it was an issue.

[pass1st]

Where did I downplay anything not shown in the boxscore?

Either way, half the shit I said was just to fuck with you and your mancrush on Magic. However, I have a hard time believing a non-leader finds a way to win 6 MVPs.



As a Laker, yes, he's a greater Laker than Shaq, Kareem, and Magic. He accomplished basically the same things as Magic by being a 1a/1b for 3 titles, then being the main guy for 2. He accomplished more than Shaq, obviously. And as great as Kareem was, again, he was 1a/1b and was not as great as he was when in Milwaukee.

He may not be a greater all-time player than Kareem, but every bit as great of a Laker as him and Magic. The only reason people say otherwise is again, the same reason 80s basketball and a lot of their players get overrated... nostalgia. Look at all the knobslobbing of Kobe we already have to see today. In 20 years from now, imagine the blowjobs he will be getting, much like Magic and Bird and others are getting these days.

You seem to believe being the number 1 option equates to being a leader. That simply ignores everything else done before the ball goes through the hoop.

As great as Kobe is, he is extremely inconsistent. If he were good on a regular basis, I would give him the recognition as the best laker. He wasn't as consistent as Kareem or Magic, and he was primarily a scorer. Magic was a PG that could score if needed, but it was part of his lower skillset. Kobe is easily the best scorer in Laker history, arguably as good of a scorer as MJ, but he simply isn't the best player. He doesn't do much playmaking, never put a lot of trust in his team and he doesn't make his team better. Kobe can carry a team, but Magic can lead a team; what you see as being better is up to your perception.

[Giuseppe]

We forget how uncertain & fragile Magic was prior to '85. The '80 & '82 titles were gimmie's. There was no strain there. They were for the most part forgone conclusions. It got very dicey for Magic after that. There was questions about his ability to hit the outside shot. There was questions about his ability to beat Boston. These questions were driven by Media to quell him, to compromise him so he would not triumph against Boston. It culminated in the Summer of '84 when he failed dramatically. Boston, in association with Media thought they'd vanquished him. They had not. We know that now. Because of Magic's trials & tribulations Bryant has not had to weather the chamber of horrors that Magic did. It's made Bryant's career easier, not as intense, and frankly not as rewarding and dramatic. Bryant hasn't had the crushing--mind numbing failures that Magic had. And he hasn't had the cathartic moments of victory that Magic did.

[DMC]

We forget how uncertain & fragile Magic was prior to '85. The '80 & '82 titles were gimmie's. There was no strain there. They were for the most part forgone conclusions. It got very dicey for Magic after that. There was questions about his ability to hit the outside shot. There was questions about his ability to beat Boston. These questions were driven by Media to quell him, to compromise him so he would not triumph against Boston. It culminated in the Summer of '84 when he failed dramatically. Boston, in association with Media thought they'd vanquished him. They had not. We know that now. Because of Magic's trials & tribulations Bryant has not had to weather the chamber of horrors that Magic did. It's made Bryant's career easier, not as intense, and frankly not as rewarding and dramatic. Bryant hasn't had the crushing--mind numbing failures that Magic had. And he hasn't had the cathartic moments of victory that Magic did.
He also hasn't revealed the HIV that Magic had... though he did blow a Piston I hear.

[Giuseppe]

He also hasn't revealed the HIV that Magic had... though he did blow a Piston I hear.

Just thank Christ we got the prime's prime from Magic before the HIV hit. And if the man had an ounce of restraint he woulda shut his mouth until he had a proper chance to consider his options. But, a Laker (outside of Buss) has a difficult time shutting their mouth in times of upheaval.

1992 was not the infancy of HIV/AIDs. Magic acted as if he'd been diagnosed 5 years earlier.

[ezau]

You seem to believe being the number 1 option equates to being a leader. That simply ignores everything else done before the ball goes through the hoop.

As great as Kobe is, he is extremely inconsistent. If he were good on a regular basis, I would give him the recognition as the best laker. He wasn't as consistent as Kareem or Magic, and he was primarily a scorer. Magic was a PG that could score if needed, but it was part of his lower skillset. Kobe is easily the best scorer in Laker history, arguably as good of a scorer as MJ, but he simply isn't the best player. He doesn't do much playmaking, never put a lot of trust in his team and he doesn't make his team better. Kobe can carry a team, but Magic can lead a team; what you see as being better is up to your perception.

Laker fan getting in line:toast

[pass1st]

Not sure what that means :wakeup

[alamo50]

Shutting down the forum.

[stretch]

You seem to believe being the number 1 option equates to being a leader. That simply ignores everything else done before the ball goes through the hoop.

As great as Kobe is, he is extremely inconsistent. If he were good on a regular basis, I would give him the recognition as the best laker. He wasn't as consistent as Kareem or Magic, and he was primarily a scorer. Magic was a PG that could score if needed, but it was part of his lower skillset. Kobe is easily the best scorer in Laker history, arguably as good of a scorer as MJ, but he simply isn't the best player. He doesn't do much playmaking, never put a lot of trust in his team and he doesn't make his team better. Kobe can carry a team, but Magic can lead a team; what you see as being better is up to your perception.

Let's be fair now.

Kareem and especially Magic never had to face defenses or defenders that the NBA employs today. Not even close. Not remotely. If they had to face modern defenses, those 50-60+ FG% seasons would significantly reduce. They would still be great, but to compare their consistency to Kobe's consistency is partly unfair due to the considerably superior defense the NBA plays these days.

When I think of consistently, I think of a guy who at times hits all the shots he should, and other times misses most all of the shots he should. I don't see that being a major issue with Kobe. From what I see, his issue is that he gets hot at times and hits shots he shouldn't be taking, and then starts missing shots he shouldnt be taking. But generally, I don't see Kobe having a lot of nights where he is just missing open 18 footers or anything like that, shots that he should rarely miss. His issue stems more from incredibly poor shot selection, than from consistency, imo.

I don't disagree at all that Magic is a better natural floor leader than Kobe is, but Kobe is certainly capable of being a leader when need be, but his ability to put a team on his back and carry them, is a quality that Magic doesn't come remotely close to having on par with Kobe. Magic's style might have worked great in the 80s when no one played defense and everyone was playing SSOL style basketball, but in today's NBA, I'll take Kobe's ability to put a team on his back, put the clamps on the opposing teams best wing player while simultaneously breaking down elite defenses.

[stretch]

Because of Magic's trials & tribulations Bryant has not had to weather the chamber of horrors that Magic did. It's made Bryant's career easier, not as intense, and frankly not as rewarding and dramatic. Bryant hasn't had the crushing--mind numbing failures that Magic had. And he hasn't had the cathartic moments of victory that Magic did.

Are you joking???

Yeah, the whole rape trial deal and being a part of possibly the biggest upset in Finals history was minor.

Being blamed for running the most dominant player in NBA history out of town was a piece of cake.

Failing to lead your team to the playoffs? No pressure whatsoever.

That whole choking a 3-1 series lead was nothing at all.

Seeing his personal nemesis in Shaq getting a ring without him? lulz

Oh, and choking a massive lead to tie the Finals at 2-2, turning it to a 3-1 deficit, against your team's arch nemesis Celtics? Pfft. Nothing.

"Tell me how my ass taste!". Taste great, says Kobe. Now watch me win 2 straight, including beating the most hated Celtics, as I watch you try to piggyback more teams to titles and fail miserably in the process.




I'm not a Laker fan by any means, but there have been very few athletes in sports history that have received the type of scrutiny that Kobe has gotten over his career, and still found a way to say a massive "fuck you" to everyone in the end when he overcame every single one of them. I absolutely despise the Lakers, but aside from maybe Dirk (mainly because of my Mav fandom), there is no player in the NBA I have more respect for than Kobe.

[Giuseppe]

Are you joking???

Yeah, the whole rape trial deal and being a part of possibly the biggest upset in Finals history was minor.

Being blamed for running the most dominant player in NBA history out of town was a piece of cake.

Failing to lead your team to the playoffs? No pressure whatsoever.

That whole choking a 3-1 series lead was nothing at all.

Seeing his personal nemesis in Shaq getting a ring without him? lulz

Oh, and choking a massive lead to tie the Finals at 2-2, turning it to a 3-1 deficit, against your team's arch nemesis Celtics? Pfft. Nothing.

"Tell me how my ass taste!". Taste great, says Kobe. Now watch me win 2 straight, including beating the most hated Celtics, as I watch you try to piggyback more teams to titles and fail miserably in the process.




I'm not a Laker fan by any means, but there have been very few athletes in sports history that have received the type of scrutiny that Kobe has gotten over his career, and still found a way to say a massive "fuck you" to everyone in the end when he overcame every single one of them. I absolutely despise the Lakers, but aside from maybe Dirk (mainly because of my Mav fandom), there is no player in the NBA I have more respect for than Kobe.

tee, hee.

[Monostradamus]

Kobe quitsPERIOD

[pass1st]

Let's be fair now.

Kareem and especially Magic never had to face defenses or defenders that the NBA employs today. Not even close. Not remotely. If they had to face modern defenses, those 50-60+ FG% seasons would significantly reduce. They would still be great, but to compare their consistency to Kobe's consistency is partly unfair due to the considerably superior defense the NBA plays these days.

When I think of consistently, I think of a guy who at times hits all the shots he should, and other times misses most all of the shots he should. I don't see that being a major issue with Kobe. From what I see, his issue is that he gets hot at times and hits shots he shouldn't be taking, and then starts missing shots he shouldnt be taking. But generally, I don't see Kobe having a lot of nights where he is just missing open 18 footers or anything like that, shots that he should rarely miss. His issue stems more from incredibly poor shot selection, than from consistency, imo.

I don't disagree at all that Magic is a better natural floor leader than Kobe is, but Kobe is certainly capable of being a leader when need be, but his ability to put a team on his back and carry them, is a quality that Magic doesn't come remotely close to having on par with Kobe. Magic's style might have worked great in the 80s when no one played defense and everyone was playing SSOL style basketball, but in today's NBA, I'll take Kobe's ability to put a team on his back, put the clamps on the opposing teams best wing player while simultaneously breaking down elite defenses.

If you want to be fair you should also factor in how often the whistle is blown today compared to the 80s. Kobe has had a lot more FTA in 2000-2010 than Kareem or Magic. You can easily take off 4ppg from Kobe's averages and subsequently that would lead to a lower FG% since defenders that caused him to miss weren't called for it.

This made the defense of that era more aggressive, players didn't fear to put bodies on players and make outlandish steal attempts. True it wasn't as skilled as today, simply because players didn't have to put as much finesse in defense. Defense has to work around stricter officiating today, so it takes more effort to properly defend like it would in the 1980s. I would say there were more "effective" defenders in the 80s than today.

Kobe is inconsistent because he can go 5-10 from 3pt one day and 2-13 the next day. That is his greatest flaw, the thing that always stopped him from being a viable comparison to MJ. Does it make him suck? Nah, he's still one of the best guards to play the game. His cockiness is a bit of a flaw too, but it was only gamebreaking the final years of the Shaq/Kobe era. He always takes the same amount of shots these days, it's just they fall 1/3 of the time, miss 1/3 of the time and the rest is average.

I'm not saying he should be shooting 50% all the time, but his stats are skewed by the fact he has amazing games to cover up for lousy games. In his 35ppg season he would have strings of 40-50pt games and they covered up for his underachieving games.

When Kobe is hot, he's the best Laker ever, sure. When he's not, he's near the end of the top 10. That levels out for him being around the #3 spot.

[Giuseppe]

Kobe quitsPERIOD

No, no. No PERIOD. MJ quit too. Pippen quit too. Rodman quit too. The line of quitters is long & distinguished.

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If you want to be fair you should also factor in how often the whistle is blown today compared to the 80s. Kobe has had a lot more FTA in 2000-2010 than Kareem or Magic. You can easily take off 4ppg from Kobe's averages and subsequently that would lead to a lower FG% since defenders that caused him to miss weren't called for it.

This made the defense of that era more aggressive, players didn't fear to put bodies on players and make outlandish steal attempts. True it wasn't as skilled as today, simply because players didn't have to put as much finesse in defense. Defense has to work around stricter officiating today, so it takes more effort to properly defend like it would in the 1980s. I would say there were more "effective" defenders in the 80s than today.

Kobe is inconsistent because he can go 5-10 from 3pt one day and 2-13 the next day. That is his greatest flaw, the thing that always stopped him from being a viable comparison to MJ. Does it make him suck? Nah, he's still one of the best guards to play the game. His cockiness is a bit of a flaw too, but it was only gamebreaking the final years of the Shaq/Kobe era. He always takes the same amount of shots these days, it's just they fall 1/3 of the time, miss 1/3 of the time and the rest is average.

I'm not saying he should be shooting 50% all the time, but his stats are skewed by the fact he has amazing games to cover up for lousy games. In his 35ppg season he would have strings of 40-50pt games and they covered up for his underachieving games.

When Kobe is hot, he's the best Laker ever, sure. When he's not, he's near the end of the top 10. That levels out for him being around the #3 spot.

This post pretty much proves you are simply a nostalgic fanboy, who's opinion means jack shit. A player could average 50/50 for an entire season, and you would be one of those guys that says "Wilt could average 100/200 for an entire season!!!!!!!"

:sleep

[djohn2oo8]

No, no. No PERIOD. MJ quit too. Pippen quit too. Rodman quit too. The line of quitters is long & distinguished.

Kobe quit multiple times in the Finals. MJ? Nope.

[Giuseppe]

Kobe quit multiple times in the Finals. MJ? Nope.

MJ quit for an entire season, then quit almost the entire next season---only tried to sneak back in at the end so he didn't have to do all the work.

Uh, uh. Penny & Daddy took his pants down, & robbed his cookie.

Just like that.

[djohn2oo8]

MJ quit for an entire season, then quit almost the entire next season---only tried to sneak back in at the end so he didn't have to do all the work.

Uh, uh. Penny & Daddy took his pants down, & robbed his cookie.

Just like that.

Nope. Kobe quit in the playoffs, up 3-1 twice, in the finals twice, couldn't threepeat twice, nuh uh. Barea pulled his pants down, robbed his cookie, and made a billboard out of him.

[Monostradamus]

No, no. No PERIOD. MJ quit too. Pippen quit too. Rodman quit too. The line of quitters is long & distinguished.

Cubby, let's set the schtick aside and be real for one moment here. How can you possibly equate retirement with quitting? Jordan didn't quit, and at the very least, not in the Bean-o Bryant method of getting his ass beat by 30 every time his team is in an elimination game.

[Monostradamus]

Although to be completely fair, part of the reason the Lakers get their shit pushed in during elimination games is because of their success. Other teams hate the Lakers so much that when they finally have them by the balls, they show no mercy and run up the score as much as possible to savor every minute. Bean-o Bryant is usually on the bench early in the 4th quarter but the other team still has all their starters in bombing 3's.

[pass1st]

This post pretty much proves you are simply a nostalgic fanboy, who's opinion means jack shit. A player could average 50/50 for an entire season, and you would be one of those guys that says "Wilt could average 100/200 for an entire season!!!!!!!"

:sleep

1. I said today has more skilled defenders
2. I said 80s didn't have to have skilled defenders

You clearly had no response to what I said and fell back to the classic "lol you don't know shit, you are sucking <insert player>'s dick" rebuttal. Why don't you explain why there is such a high FT deficiency and how that would affect a player's FG%? If you miss a shot and the defender gets the whistle, does your missed shot count against you?

Why don't you use a little logic and learn how the game evolved. I never said one era was superior to the other. I never said Magic would thrive in this era. I simply pointed at differences.

If you want to fold, do so in a non-embarrassing fashion, kid.

[Monostradamus]

1. I said today has more skilled defenders
2. I said 80s didn't have to have skilled defenders

You clearly had no response to what I said and fell back to the classic "lol you don't know shit, you are sucking <insert player>'s dick" rebuttal. Why don't you explain why there is such a high FT deficiency and how that would affect a player's FG%? If you miss a shot and the defender gets the whistle, does your missed shot count against you?

Why don't you use a little logic and learn how the game evolved. I never said one era was superior to the other. I never said Magic would thrive in this era. I simply pointed at differences.

If you want to fold, do so in a non-embarrassing fashion, kid.

Holy shit you've got over 1000 posts on this site? :wow tbh I hadn't noticed a single post of yours until this thread.

[pass1st]

Holy shit you've got over 1000 posts on this site? :wow tbh I hadn't noticed a single post of yours until this thread.

Likewise

[Giuseppe]

Cubby, let's set the schtick aside and be real for one moment here. How can you possibly equate retirement with quitting? Jordan didn't quit, and at the very least, not in the Bean-o Bryant method of getting his ass beat by 30 every time his team is in an elimination game.

Uh, uh, we're not going to quibble here. MJ quit, then tried to sneak back at the end of the season without doing training camp and all the drudgery. Just because Media at that time didn't tell "me" what was happening doesn't mean I/WE didn't know where the bear shit in the buckwheat. Fuck him. MJ quit. Only by the grace of the Orlando Magic, Daddy, Penny, et al did MJ get justifiably stopped at the border.

MJ may get away with that shit on other Boards, but, not on these Boards. Not as long as I exist.

[Monostradamus]

Uh, uh, we're not going to quibble here. MJ quit, then tried to sneak back at the end of the season without doing training camp and all the drudgery. Just because Media at that time didn't tell "me" what was happening doesn't mean I/WE didn't know where the bear shit in the buckwheat. Fuck him. MJ quit. Only by the grace of the Orlando Magic, Daddy, Penny, et al did MJ get justifiably stopped at the border.

MJ may get away with that shit on other Boards, but, not on these Boards. Not as long as I exist.

:lmao seriously? Cubby this is more retarded than you "I'm taking the Suns" prediction.

So because he didn't want to deal with the drudgery of a training camp and the grind of a regular season, Michael Jordan quits, then decides to play MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL and go through the drudgery of 100+ pointless minor league games, riding in buses with zitfaced teenagers throughout the godforsaken Midwest, being a complete mockery of the baseball world.........................only to stay retired for the entire NBA season and miss the playoffs anyways. Then he does it all over again before finally unveiling his master plan to get his ass beat by Orlando. All of that work done to avoid training camp, right?

Now Cubby, I realize you've just stumbled upon a goldmine of "Jordan quit too" schtick that you can now repeat ad nauseam on these forums, but honestly, you have to realize in your heart how stupid you sound.

[Giuseppe]

:lmao seriously? Cubby this is more retarded than you "I'm taking the Suns" prediction.

So because he didn't want to deal with the drudgery of a training camp and the grind of a regular season, Michael Jordan quits, then decides to play MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL and go through the drudgery of 100+ pointless minor league games, riding in buses with zitfaced teenagers throughout the godforsaken Midwest, being a complete mockery of the baseball world.........................only to stay retired for the entire NBA season and miss the playoffs anyways. Then he does it all over again before finally unveiling his master plan to get his ass beat by Orlando. All of that work done to avoid training camp, right?

Now Cubby, I realize you've just stumbled upon a goldmine of "Jordan quit too" schtick that you can now repeat ad nauseam on these forums, but honestly, you have to realize in your heart how stupid you sound.

You're tardy, Mono. I stated this opine when I first landed here years ago. It's not fresh. But, it is consistent.

I bear my cross of Kobe quitting in public. I never hid behind it. It's my religion.

But, by all that is holy every other member hereabout is going to bear their cross in the exact same manner.

Your regrets of MJ's behavior is your own lookout. He ain't arriving at the end of the season when all the hard work is done and then living the highlife of the playoffs. Not around me he ain't. He quit because he didn't want to put in the time that all the players had done:::training camp, exhibition games, the grind of 82 games, the physical toll that takes place. I just thank Christ it didn't work. He was thwarted and rejected. And he should have been.

MJ is a cheat and a quitter.

[Monostradamus]

He quit because he didn't want to put in the time that all the players had done:::training camp, exhibition games, the grind of 82 games, the physical toll that takes place.

of course. It's natural that he'd eliminate the wear and tear of 82 games while flying in private jets around the country and staying in plush 5 star hotels and trade it for 100+ games of minor league baseball, driving to games in a shitty old bus and staying at a Motel 6. All in the name of eliminating the physical toll on his body.

[djohn2oo8]

You're tardy, Mono. I stated this opine when I first landed here years ago. It's not fresh. But, it is consistent.

I bear my cross of Kobe quitting in public. I never hid behind it. It's my religion.

But, by all that is holy every other member hereabout is going to bear their cross in the exact same manner.

Your regrets of MJ's behavior is your own lookout. He ain't arriving at the end of the season when all the hard work is done and then living the highlife of the playoffs. Not around me he ain't. He quit because he didn't want to put in the time that all the players had done:::training camp, exhibition games, the grind of 82 games, the physical toll that takes place. I just thank Christ it didn't work. He was thwarted and rejected. And he should have been.

MJ is a cheat and a quitter.

With 6 rings.

[Giuseppe]

MJ is a cheat and a quitter.


With 6 rings.

& I don't grudge any man his onions, once they are reaped. MJ has 6 rings.

But, here, on these Boards we're gonna tell the whole story. Everyone's dirty laundry is going to be aired, be it Kobe Bryant, MJ, Steve Nash, Pippen, Rodman....quitters all.

& I'm going to continue to see to it.

Let us proceed...

[djohn2oo8]

MJ is a cheat and a quitter.



& I don't grudge any man his onions, once they are reaped. MJ has 6 rings.

But, here, on these Boards we're gonna tell the whole story. Everyone's dirty laundry is going to be aired, be it Kobe Bryant, MJ, Steve Nash, Pippen, Rodman....quitters all.

& I'm going to continue to see to it.

Let us proceed...

No evidence of Jordan quitting/cheating. There's a shitload of evidence of Kobe quitting/cheating, so don't bring it to this courtroom old man. You will not win.

[Giuseppe]

No evidence of Jordan quitting/cheating. There's a shitload of evidence of Kobe quitting/cheating, so don't bring it to this courtroom old man. You will not win.

Sneaking back at the end of the season to avoid the shit work is cheating & quitting. MJ did that. Only Daddy & Penny put a stop to it before he could benefit from his rotten deeds.

I got no problem admitting to Kobe quitting & cheating. I wear that stain in shame.

Let us proceed...

[djohn2oo8]

You could also pass for one of those French Polynesians. Lazy bastards...

lol 28 year old Pokemon fan.

[Killakobe81]

111-72, 111-82 after taking two in SA

101-71

And this http://articles.latimes.com/1986-04-18/sports/sp-497_1_san-antonio

Please. I know you just fucking with spur fan, but the beatdowns we delivered on SA were nice, but just a blip on the radar ...

My fondest was an ass beating we put on the Sac Queens in the late 80's when we were up something like 42-14 after the 1st quarter. most dominant quarter of basketball i have ever seen ...

[Killakobe81]

Too bad Kobe was only able to do that in a regular season game, not a game that actually mattered, especially when his team needed him most, like in the 2011 playoffs... just sayin.



Don't like the best player in Laker franchise history? Interesting.



Didn't say being the #1 scoring option makes you a leader, but make no mistake, Kareem was every bit as big of a leader as Magic was. It was basically Shaq/Kobe, in that they were 1a and 1b, and both brought equally important things to the table.

However, Kareem proved something Magic didnt, that he could be the indisputed #1 of a championship team.

I understand what made Magic so great, but his greatness gets overrated at times by certain nostalgic fans. Maybe you should try bringing another argument to the table instead of just resorting to the "you're a narrow-minded stat-head!!!" even though I haven't listed a single stat in this conversation.
Kareem may have been the #1 option but was never the "leader" of ANY of his title teams. at least in the pros it was Oscar and Magic ...

[Giuseppe]

...Killa

[Killakobe81]

Let's be fair now.

Kareem and especially Magic never had to face defenses or defenders that the NBA employs today. Not even close. Not remotely. If they had to face modern defenses, those 50-60+ FG% seasons would significantly reduce. They would still be great, but to compare their consistency to Kobe's consistency is partly unfair due to the considerably superior defense the NBA plays these days.

When I think of consistently, I think of a guy who at times hits all the shots he should, and other times misses most all of the shots he should. I don't see that being a major issue with Kobe. From what I see, (1)is issue is that he gets hot at times and hits shots he shouldn't be taking, and then starts missing shots he shouldnt be taking. But generally, I don't see Kobe having a lot of nights where he is just missing open 18 footers or anything like that, shots that he should rarely miss. His issue stems more from incredibly poor shot selection, than from consistency, imo.

I don't disagree at all that Magic is a better natural floor leader than Kobe is, but Kobe is certainly capable of being a leader when need be, but his ability to put a team on his back and carry them, (2) is a quality that Magic doesn't come remotely close to having on par with Kobe. Magic's style might have worked great in the 80s when no one played defense and everyone was playing SSOL style basketball, but in today's NBA, I'll take Kobe's ability to put a team on his back, put the clamps on the opposing teams best wing player while simultaneously breaking down elite defenses.


Agree with the first part ... hubris (which I dont mind) and shot selection (which I do) are Kobe's greatest weakness. he can lead he can play-make but his ego/shot selection get in the way at times ...

As for Magic disagree that his shit would not work today. He is like a bigger version of Nash who can rebound and post up ...Not as good a shooter ...but he was a 90% FT shooter by the end of his career and can hit the open 3 with that push shot ...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Kareem may have been the #1 option but was never the "leader" of ANY of his title teams. at least in the pros it was Oscar and Magic ...
So he wasn't the leader when he won MVP and finals MVP in the same season?

[Killakobe81]

Where did I downplay anything not shown in the boxscore?

Either way, half the shit I said was just to fuck with you and your mancrush on Magic. However, I have a hard time believing a non-leader finds a way to win 6 MVPs.



As a Laker, yes, he's a greater Laker than Shaq, Kareem, and Magic. He accomplished basically the same things as Magic by being a 1a/1b for 3 titles, then being the main guy for 2. He accomplished more than Shaq, obviously. And as great as Kareem was, again, he was 1a/1b and was not as great as he was when in Milwaukee.

He may not be a greater all-time player than Kareem, but every bit as great of a Laker as him and Magic. The only reason people say otherwise is again, the same reason 80s basketball and a lot of their players get overrated... nostalgia. Look at all the knobslobbing of Kobe we already have to see today. In 20 years from now, imagine the blowjobs he will be getting, much like Magic and Bird and others are getting these days.

and 80's basketball was THAT good.
By 1986-87 You had:
1. prime: Magic, Bird, Isiah, Nique, Worthy, Aguirre, English, Dale Ellis, Tom Chambers, McHale All in their primes ...
2. Aging stars: Moses, Kareem, Dr.J, Moncrief, Walton
3. Ascending stars: MJ, Stockton, Olajawon, Ewing, Malone, Mullin, Barkley drexler

Look at all the HOF caliber talent "touched" that decade. Just look at the MJ/Ewing drafts ...those 2 draft classes added to the stars cements the 80's as the best decade of the past 4 ...

[DeadlyDynasty]

Please. I know you just fucking with spur fan, but the beatdowns we delivered on SA were nice, but just a blip on the radar ...

My fondest was an ass beating we put on the Sac Queens in the late 80's when we were up something like 42-14 after the 1st quarter. most dominant quarter of basketball i have ever seen ...

Wasn't there a game in the 80's where LA had a 40-4 lead after the first? That may be the sacto game youre referring to, not sure tho.

[Killakobe81]

So he wasn't the leader when he won MVP and finals MVP in the same season?

Winning the MVP doesnt make you a "leader". Kareem was quiet on the court, type leader. And many thought he was an asshole. Kobe is the sameway. Fisher/Phil were the leaders of the last 2 title teams. Kobe was the best player and on court leader. BTW same for duncan POP Avery and Manu were the real Vocal/spiritual leader ...Tim is the best player shit happens. Same is true for Dirk USED to be the same way ...and he failed miserably. Chandler seemed to be the spiritual leader and SOME of it rubbed off on Dirk.

[Killakobe81]

Wasn't there a game in the 80's where LA had a 40-4 lead after the first? That may be the sacto game youre referring to, not sure tho.

Yes that's it was it 40-4? :lol Damn it was worse than i thought ...

[Giuseppe]

[[[Winning the MVP doesnt make you a "leader". Kareem was quiet on the court, type leader. And many thought he was an asshole. Kobe is the sameway. Fisher/Phil were the leaders of the last 2 title teams.]]]

Killa is on tonite.

[baseline bum]

Wasn't there a game in the 80's where LA had a 40-4 lead after the first? That may be the sacto game youre referring to, not sure tho.

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:lmao @ closing the refrigerator at the end of the first quarter

[DeadlyDynasty]

:lmao

Props BB for the find :tu

[baseline bum]

God, it's 24-0 so far as I'm watching.

[DeadlyDynasty]

God, it's 24-0 so far as I'm watching.


That magic pass to ac on the baseline was a thing of beauty.

Their first points came at the ft line:lol

[baseline bum]

29-0 until Derek Smith hits two free throws with 2:54 left in the first quarter. :lmao

The Forum gives Sacramento a standing ovation on their first point! :rollin

0-18 from the field for the quarter :lol

[DeadlyDynasty]

Hang Time's reggie theus in the house :rollin

[baseline bum]

Here's a video about that quarter from the 87 champions video

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[DeadlyDynasty]

I like the cheesy 80's funk beat in that vid...new ringtone

[pass1st]

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/04/07/sports/mavs-score-just-2-points-in-a-quarter.html

Wonder if there is a video of it

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1. I said today has more skilled defenders
2. I said 80s didn't have to have skilled defenders

You clearly had no response to what I said and fell back to the classic "lol you don't know shit, you are sucking <insert player>'s dick" rebuttal. Why don't you explain why there is such a high FT deficiency and how that would affect a player's FG%? If you miss a shot and the defender gets the whistle, does your missed shot count against you?

Why don't you use a little logic and learn how the game evolved. I never said one era was superior to the other. I never said Magic would thrive in this era. I simply pointed at differences.

If you want to fold, do so in a non-embarrassing fashion, kid.

:lmao

do you even do your own research? in the 80's, the LOWEST league average on FTAs per game was 27.8. In this past decade, the HIGHEST league average was 26.3. so stats actually show that MORE FTs were awarded in the 80s. for the most part, there were 3-5 more FTs per game in the 80s. in addition, there were about 3-5 more fouls per game in the 80s compared to modern era as well.

if you are going to keep making the condescending "kid" remarks like you know what the fuck you are talking about, try, um... KNOWING WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, you stupid fucking faggot. just because I don't wanna waste my time with an 80s loving cocksucker like yourself, doesn't mean I have no response. it means exactly what I said.. you are an 80s loving cocksucker and I don't wanna waste my time on a hardheaded dumbass like yourself.

you will probably next resort to the "higher pace" argument next, or more likely the "you don't know shit, because yer just a kid!!!!!!" type of bullshit. spare me the garbage, because this time, im really not going to waste the time exposing you again for the dumbshit you are.

[pass1st]

:lmao

do you even do your own research? in the 80's, the LOWEST league average on FTAs per game was 27.8. In this past decade, the HIGHEST league average was 26.3. so stats actually show that MORE FTs were awarded in the 80s. for the most part, there were 3-5 more FTs per game in the 80s. in addition, there were about 3-5 more fouls per game in the 80s compared to modern era as well.

if you are going to keep making the condescending "kid" remarks like you know what the fuck you are talking about, try, um... KNOWING WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, you stupid fucking faggot. just because I don't wanna waste my time with an 80s loving cocksucker like yourself, doesn't mean I have no response. it means exactly what I said.. you are an 80s loving cocksucker and I don't wanna waste my time on a hardheaded dumbass like yourself.

you will probably next resort to the "higher pace" argument next, or more likely the "you don't know shit, because yer just a kid!!!!!!" type of bullshit. spare me the garbage, because this time, im really not going to waste the time exposing you again for the dumbshit you are.

Look at Kareem's and Magic's FTA vs Kobe and come back, kid. Don't just pick 'n choose stats. I'll even do the H/W for you:

Kareem, 20 seasons, 9304 FTA
Magic, 13 seasons, 5850 FTA
Kobe, 15 seasons, 8301 FTA

Please, explain the discrepancy.

Why are you getting so uppity? Is it because I said kid? You see how a simple little word can strike a nerve? You tried hard, bagging Magic and trying to downplay an entire era to try and get some reaction out of me. All I had to do was say 1 word. Want to know something else? 2000s is my favorite era, Magic is just my favorite player.

Let me guess your retort "I'm not acting 'uppity'" or "I'm just fucking around"? How do you want to downplay this, squirt?

[Giuseppe]

^Christ, Pass forgot his mother for a while is acting like somebody.

Matzel, Matzel.

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lol comparing a distributor to a slasher/scorer and wondering why there is a discrepancy in FTs

[pass1st]

lol comparing a distributor to a slasher/scorer and wondering why there is a discrepancy in FTs

Lol reason why I included Kareem

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lol comparing a finesse center to a slasher/scorer and wondering why there is a FT discrepancy

lol changing argument by saying different eras get more FTs, but being 100% backwards on which era actually gets more FTs, and suddenly changing it to comparing individual players who have completely different playing styles

[pass1st]

How about I bring Wilkins or Drexler into the discussion?

[pass1st]

Oh, and

lol at saying lol to things you have no answer for.

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lol shitty arguments that constantly change when proven wrong as fuck

[pass1st]

That's pretty much the point I throw against you. You change your tactics to shit talking when you have nothing to say. You huff and puff your e-chest, hoping somebody will come and back you up. You say lol because you think somehow it adds credibility to your faltering logic that Kobe's FG% wouldn't be affected by the play in the 80s. You completely disregard that Drexler, Wilkins, Magic and Kareem had less FTA per season. I can bring more names, like Worthy and Dumars. I'm not talking about small discrepancies, very very large ones.

You circle around the point, ignore things you can't explain for and fill in your lack of logic with lols and shit talking. It's like you're being a scared little bitch to admit that MAYBE officiating in the 1980s was more lenient than today.

[DMC]

That's pretty much the point I throw against you. You change your tactics to shit talking when you have nothing to say. You huff and puff your e-chest, hoping somebody will come and back you up. You say lol because you think somehow it adds credibility to your faltering logic that Kobe's FG% wouldn't be affected by the play in the 80s. You completely disregard that Drexler, Wilkins, Magic and Kareem had less FTA per season. I can bring more names, like Worthy and Dumars. I'm not talking about small discrepancies, very very large ones.

You circle around the point, ignore things you can't explain for and fill in your lack of logic with lols and shit talking. It's like you're being a scared little bitch to admit that MAYBE officiating in the 1980s was more lenient than today.

Ouch

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lol you know a person has fucking failed when they begin trying to compare james worthy, joe dumars, or dominique wilkins to kobe, and wonder why they got less career freethrows

[pass1st]

Come now, don't you have a real reason besides "Well they played differently"? How often do I have to ask you to elaborate why players like Drexler had significantly less FTAs than Kobe? If it was, say, 1000 FTA difference, yeah sure that's no biggie. We're talking about something along the lines of 3000 FTAs.

Look, kid, if you can't bring anything to the discussion than just trot along and go play some NBA2k12. All you're doing is repeating the same crap and adding an lol somewhere to make it sound like you're right and know what you're talking about. To be honest, you sound like you never watched an NBA game before 2004.

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lol drexler = kobe according to fagg1st

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

How was Oklahoma, stretch? Did you find Phillip?

[Axe Murderer]

Did you find Jones and tell him to get doooooooooooooooooooooooooown?

[Mav-elous Man]

Losing that much of a lead and letting 1 player dominate you alone is an ass beating. It's supposed to be a team game, just sad if one player outscores you. Also, how do you blow a ~50% lead in the 4th?

Pretty solid ass beatings :wakeup

How do you "sweep yourself" in the playoffs? How do you lose by damn near 40 in an elimination game? How do you get so mad you forearm shove a defenseless member of the lollipop guild mid-layup? HOW THE FUCK DO YOU SWEEP YOURSELF?!?!?! Has to be among the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

[pass1st]

lol drexler = kobe according to fagg1st

More with the lols and subject changing? Since when did FTAs become a definite comparison of players? You're just trying to turn this into a Drexler vs Kobe discussion, don't bother because we already know Kobe is better. This is simply a discussion about officiating in the 80s being much more lenient than today.

Look, kid, you can sticker lol to everything you want, but it doesn't change the fact you have jack shit to say. You can't explain why people with longer careers, averaging a few less ppg and have comparable possession % have such lower FTA per season than Kobe. The man isn't D-whistle, he isn't the first person to play mid-range and do a fair share of attacking the basket.

You're just leaving an invitation for somebody to back you up because quite frankly, you don't have anything of worth to say. You hope somebody who actually knows what the fuck he's talking about and has seen games from the 80s will swoop in and save you. Problem is, who would actually back up that the 80s had more lenient officiating?

[pass1st]

How do you "sweep yourself" in the playoffs? How do you lose by damn near 40 in an elimination game? How do you get so mad you forearm shove a defenseless member of the lollipop guild mid-layup? HOW THE FUCK DO YOU SWEEP YOURSELF?!?!?! Has to be among the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

Did I say "sweep yourself"? I don't really think I did, quote where I did and I'll explain or admit I said something illogical.

Also, shit happens. Never said LAL was perfect, 2008 was more of an ass-beating if you wanted to strike a nerve.

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

Kobe Bryant series losing games and their scores

1997 vs Utah, 98-93
1998 vs Utah, 96-92
1999 vs San Antonio, 118-107
2003 vs San Antonio, 110-82
2004 vs Detroit, 100-87 *DET had a 23 point lead before LA outscored them in garbage time
2006 vs Phoenix, 121-90
2007 vs Phoenix, 119-110
2008 vs Boston, 131-92
2011 vs Dallas, 122-86

So out of 9 series losers, he got his ass beat in 5 of them. But if you take away his first 2 seasons since he was still a role player, and just use series' where he was a legitimate #1 and/or #2 player for the team, that number is 5 out of 7.

:lol nobody quits on his team like Kobe.
I answered this already on page 2, showing how Lakers history is full of some pretty one sided playoff losses. Thought I would add a bit more.

Since the NBA/ABA merger, the Lakers have only missed the playoffs twice. Spurs are second with four times. When you make the playoffs that many times, the losses are going to come. Look at the Cavs history, for example, how many DNQ's and first round playoff losses. Missing the playoffs keeps you from getting wiped out when people notice most, but really, you are getting beat down multiple times during the season. If every team qualified for the playoffs, there would be some real humdingers in round 1.

Anyway, to answer how Kobe responded to those losses quoted above:

Beat Utah 3 straight playoffs, 2008-2010
Beat San Antonio 4 of 5 times; 2001, 2002, 2004, 2008.
Beat Phoenix 2010
Beat Boston 2010

Kobe never got a chance to get revenge on the Pistons, closest was 2008, but Boston beat Detroit in ECF. Kind of hard to avenge against an opponent in the opposite conference. Still, the Lakers hold a 9-3 edge career series vs. Pistons with 3-2 Lakers happening in LA and Detroit.

Kobe has a chance to get revenge against Dallas. He did against the others. Let's see what happens if they play again.

In addition to those above, Kobe is perfect against:
Blazers 5-0
Kings 3-0
Rockets 3-0
T-Wolves 2-0
Sonics/Thunder 2-0
Nuggets 2-0
Pacers 1-0
Sixers 1-0
Nets 1-0
Magic 1-0
Hornets 1-0

Plus another series win over Phoenix, bringing him to 2-2. Maybe nobody quits on his team like Kobe, but how many NBA greats have exacted revenge as often as Kobe? The only two teams that can say they beat and never lost to Kobe in the playoffs are Pistons and Mavs. There are 11 teams that always lost to him, more than half at least twice!

If anyone post merger has as good a mark as above as Kobe does, it's probably Magic, Bird, MJ, or Tim. Feel free to research anyone, it sounds like a good topic. Naturally, with The Lakers usually perennially in the top 10 of NBA teams, series wins against them will mean the most to a lot of fans.

Kobe does deserve his share of bashing, but here the deck is stacked against him with a biased slant. He's far from my favorite Laker ever, but he does come through after a loss.

[Giuseppe]

Did I say "sweep yourself"? I don't really think I did, quote where I did and I'll explain or admit I said something illogical.

Also, shit happens. Never said LAL was perfect, 2008 was more of an ass-beating if you wanted to strike a nerve.

Bend over. I'll strike a fuckin' nerve.

[pass1st]

Oh Curly, you're such a character

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More with the lols and subject changing? Since when did FTAs become a definite comparison of players? You're just trying to turn this into a Drexler vs Kobe discussion, don't bother because we already know Kobe is better. This is simply a discussion about officiating in the 80s being much more lenient than today.

Look, kid, you can sticker lol to everything you want, but it doesn't change the fact you have jack shit to say. You can't explain why people with longer careers, averaging a few less ppg and have comparable possession % have such lower FTA per season than Kobe. The man isn't D-whistle, he isn't the first person to play mid-range and do a fair share of attacking the basket.

You're just leaving an invitation for somebody to back you up because quite frankly, you don't have anything of worth to say. You hope somebody who actually knows what the fuck he's talking about and has seen games from the 80s will swoop in and save you. Problem is, who would actually back up that the 80s had more lenient officiating?

lol saying "Since when did FTAs become a definite comparison of players?" after being the one to use FTAs to judge players

lol mad

lol thinking drexler = kobe

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How was Oklahoma, stretch? Did you find Phillip?

found him. sucker punched him and gave him a black eye in the process


Did you find Jones and tell him to get doooooooooooooooooooooooooown?

not only that, but hired a hitman to fire a shotgun in the face of stoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooopssssssssssssssss

[pass1st]

lol saying "Since when did FTAs become a definite comparison of players?" after being the one to use FTAs to judge players

lol mad

lol thinking drexler = kobe

Heh, you have nothing, do you? The topic was officiating, not player comparison. You're just bitching out and trying to make this a player comparison because you have jack shit to say defending your stance on the 80s having more lenient officiating.

Take your fairweather fan ass back home, you probably never seen an NBA game before 2010.

[pass1st]

Also, you aren't going to strike a nerve on me :wakeup

I actually don't take sports seriously.

If, perhaps by chance, you wanted to put in the effort to strike a nerve. Compare Isiah Thomas with Magic, I had a pretty heated discussion about that once. Make it good, monkey boy. :wakeup

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lol overrating magic

lol saying that more FTs are shot in todays NBA than in the 80s, when the 80s actually shot more FTs

lol changing subject when proven wrong to comparing players instead of eras

lol comparing drex to kobe

lol changing subjects every post, then accusing me of changing subjects

lol getting mad then saying you werent mad

[pass1st]

lol overrating magic

lol saying that more FTs are shot in todays NBA than in the 80s, when the 80s actually shot more FTs

lol changing subject when proven wrong to comparing players instead of eras

lol comparing drex to kobe

lol changing subjects every post, then accusing me of changing subjects

lol getting mad then saying you werent mad

Hehe, what's wrong? You seem kind of dumbfounded; would you like some hints how to argue my points? You can keep jumping through the hoops and try to get some sort of reaction out of me, but you should put a little tact into it. You see how just calling you kid made you rage like a 10 year old? That's the kind of delicate eloquence required.

Anyways, like I said, never compared players just FTA. By your logic there, Kobe will surpass MJ. So far I showed evidence to back up what I said, all you did was change the subject and sticker lol on everything thinking it's a rhetorical tool.

Use your brain, squirt.

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lol backtracking again

lol saying you never compared players, only FTAs, then after i showed the different in FTAs in each era, you compared players

lol dumbass noob that thinks i was actually "raging" earlier

lol overrating magic

[pass1st]

Saying lol and boob don't really help your cause, kid. I said kid before just to strike a nerve, and it worked fairly well; now I say it because you actually must be a kid, surely a grown man wouldnt call somebody a noob in a sports forum. Isn't that gaming lingo used by kids on xbox?

Anyways, I only compared FTAs, not players. You wanted to turn this into a player comparison and I politely stated the futility of it. As for overrating Magic, well, I simply said he was the best leader. Somebody stat-minded, such as yourself, seem to be ignorant of things that aren't put in the boxscore.

I digress, though, you have yet to provide an argument that the 80s had stricter officiating. Would you like to go off subject some more, use childish phrases like lol and noob, cower from addressing the topic and embarrass yourself some more?

[Monostradamus]

Saying lol and boob don't really help your cause

:lmao

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lol still arguging after proven wrong numerous times

[pass1st]

Ah a typo, my bad. That should "noob"; quite humorous

[Giuseppe]

:lmao

http://www.ksat.com/2011/1107/29699147_640X360.jpg

Mono, finally acting like somebody.

[pass1st]

lol still arguging after proven wrong numerous times

You haven't given any evidence that the 80s had stricter officiating, though. You say people had more FTAs, but star players didn't get that many compared to today. I simply sought a cited reason why you believe something that goes against the near-universal consensus of basketball fans & authorities.

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lol putting words in my mouth saying that i claimed 80s had stricter officiating

lol claiming todays players gets way more foul calls when statistics prove that they technically get less

lol not reading where i said that pace and other factors go into that, and that i didnt disagree at all about your claim on officiating being different

lol then proceeding to compare kobe to magic wondering why there is a discrepancy in FTAs, but not understanding MAJOR factors such as playing style

[pass1st]

So you back down from saying the 80s had stricter officiating? Good, that's one point you changed your mind on. Consequently that kind of eliminates your argument regarding why there is a FTA difference. Players back the. Would hack and shove, flagrant fouls weren't in existence so that's what was called a good hard foul. Whistles weren't blown for little bumps very often, except maybe for MJ. What would give parameter players a trip to the line today would be just normal defense in the 80s.

I was kind of waiting for you to back down a little to throw that tid-bit in. There was a reason flagrant fouls were introduced. Of course that pales in comparison to the 70s physicality of the game. Not saying it was an MMA match or anything, but yeah if you truly think a parameter player would get the same whistles he is accustomed to them you're kind of ignorant.

And as had been the way of things, kid, you haven addressed the topic. You just go back to trying to make this a Player comparison. Leave the player comparisons to somebody who cares, I don't care if you're a Kobe fan.

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lol still too stupid to read that i never said the 80s had stricter officiating

lol still arguing over nothing at all

[Stalin]

you scros still arguing?

[pass1st]

Doesn't really look like it, bro. He gave up a while ago, just going through the hoops like a monkey now. Stamping lol to everything and pussied out of the original discussion; went as far as to use "noob" as an insult.

[Blake]

Use your brain, squirt.

lmao @ squirt