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DMC
11-03-2011, 09:33 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/03/tech/mobile/iphone-4s-battery/


But.. but... they are problem free! :lmao

ElNono
11-03-2011, 09:52 PM
Beta iOS 5.0.1 was seeded today addressing this issue... Haven't installed it yet though...

lefty
11-03-2011, 10:14 PM
I haven't experiences any of those issues on my 4

Lol 4S

resistanze
11-03-2011, 10:24 PM
Article is for iPhone 4S.

Dex
11-03-2011, 11:17 PM
LOL stock still up $50 in the last quarter year
LOL Apple surpassing Exxon Mobil as the most valuable US firm
LOL more cash reserves than the US treasury

DMC
11-03-2011, 11:23 PM
LOL stock still up $50 in the last quarter year
LOL Apple surpassing Exxon Mobil as the most valuable US firm
LOL more cash reserves than the US treasury

"lol Apple having more of our money that anyone else.. and the phone is broken... lol I feel great about my purchase"

Dex
11-03-2011, 11:30 PM
Or they'll fix it with an update, and people will have to start grasping at new reasons to hate.

Besides, it's better than shitty Droid updates which stop your phone from charging at all.

DMC
11-03-2011, 11:43 PM
Or they'll fix it with an update, and people will have to start grasping at new reasons to hate.

Besides, it's better than shitty Droid updates which stop your phone from charging at all.

So the broken phone has an advantage that it will someday be fixed and people will have to look elsewhere to find things to hate.

I still wouldn't invest in that.

Dex
11-03-2011, 11:54 PM
So the broken phone has an advantage that it will someday be fixed and people will have to look elsewhere to find things to hate.

I still wouldn't invest in that.

But you'll continue to start flaming threads about the best product of its kind on the market (and still the innovator which every other copycat device tries to be) due to a resolvable software issue. :rolleyes Fixate much?

Dex
11-04-2011, 12:02 AM
And before you accuse me of being a fanboy, I don't even own an iPhone. I have an Android, which shitty software (ironically) just crashed on me again.

Pretty bad when an iPod is more capable than a smartphone.

resistanze
11-04-2011, 07:38 AM
Which version of Android are you running? I've had my rooted 'droid for a couple of weeks and have yet to have it crashed. My jailbroken iPhones actually crashed more frequently.

hater
11-04-2011, 09:37 AM
:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao


Steve Jobs drops dead and Apple goes to the shitter

hater
11-04-2011, 09:39 AM
btw my girl ordered an Iphone 4S 3 weeks ago. Still nothing and nobody knows where her order is


she'll probably get hers in January

:lmao

hater
11-04-2011, 09:41 AM
Apple has yet to release an official statement on the iPhone 4S battery drain

LOL typical

Update: Apple: “A small number of customers have reported lower-than-expected battery life on iOS 5 devices. We have found a few bugs that are affecting battery life, and we will release a software update to address those in a few weeks.”

:lol

Drachen
11-04-2011, 12:14 PM
Apple has yet to release an official statement on the iPhone 4S battery drain

LOL typical

Update: Apple: “A small number of customers have reported lower-than-expected battery life on iOS 5 devices. We have found a few bugs that are affecting battery life, and we will release a software update to address those in a few weeks.”

:lol

I am sorry, but I don't know why you emboldened the part that you did. It seems pretty on par with a rushed update (yes, even for android).

leemajors
11-04-2011, 12:21 PM
btw my girl ordered an Iphone 4S 3 weeks ago. Still nothing and nobody knows where her order is


she'll probably get hers in January

:lmao

do you have a web order number?

Dex
11-04-2011, 03:30 PM
Which version of Android are you running? I've had my rooted 'droid for a couple of weeks and have yet to have it crashed. My jailbroken iPhones actually crashed more frequently.

I'm on Froyo right now. I updated my last phone to Gingerbread, and it wouldn't recognize the charger anymore so I couldn't charge it. Sprint replaced the phone with one that was still on Froyo, and they've since pulled the Gingerbread update because it was bricking phones (like mine).

As for hater's comment on "a few weeks"....that buggy Droid update was rolled out on 9/14, and they still haven't released a fix or patch for those affected. The best they can tell you do to is take it to a service center where they will try to restore the device, then replace it if that doesn't work. And I'd say low battery life is small potatoes as opposed to not being able to charge your phone at all.

The Android software is okay, but it hangs/freezes pretty regularly when I'm trying to switch between functions, and occasionally just shuts itself off and won't turn back on until I pull the battery and reseat it. This happened with the old device, too.

And I can still find more to do (and what I do seems to work better) on my iPod Touch than on my Droid. Surfing the web, calendars, contacts, ToDos, maps, music, videos....all of those are easier and more functional on my iPod. Now that Sprint finally is carrying iPhones, I'll be switching on my next contract so I don't have to carry two devices around anymore.

As for rooted/jailbroken software.....you can pretty much expect that shit to be buggy. Everytime I jailbreak my devices, they work fine at first, but then slowly get worse and worse, so I've just stopped doing it.

Monostradamus
11-04-2011, 03:36 PM
I've got the 4s and have had no problems with the battery. Sucks for ppl that do.

DMC
11-04-2011, 03:53 PM
But you'll continue to start flaming threads about the best product of its kind on the market (and still the innovator which every other copycat device tries to be) due to a resolvable software issue. :rolleyes Fixate much?

And you will continue being an apologist for a product just because you feel pot committed.

Many things are resolvable. Most aren't refundable however.

Dex
11-04-2011, 04:02 PM
And you will continue being an apologist for a product just because you feel pot committed.

Many things are resolvable. Most aren't refundable however.

No, I'm an apologist for the product because I've had plenty of experience with both, and genuinely feel like one is much better than the other. And so do the majority of consumers, apparently.

But I'm betting that you are one of those who insist people just like paying more for the pretty Apple on the back.

resistanze
11-04-2011, 06:49 PM
As for rooted/jailbroken software.....you can pretty much expect that shit to be buggy. Everytime I jailbreak my devices, they work fine at first, but then slowly get worse and worse, so I've just stopped doing it.

This is probably why I'm liking Android more than iOS. Having my iPhone jailbroken was a prerequisite for me, as the amount of useful tools you could grab dwarf what is regulated by Apple. And I personally hate being told what I can or cannot put on a phone I fucking bought, or that it's even "illegal", when it's not. Really, it made sense for me to go with an OD that almost gives my the same functionality stock than iOS does jailbroken.

The problem with Android is likely in part from the different manufacturers putting their carriers putting their UIs and carrier putting their bloatware on top of Android which just complicates updates. I'm hoping this might get better with ICS. But I'm guessing your bricking issue can't be any more common as the iPhone 4 "death grip" or the problem with 4s stated in the OP's article - not a good reason to shit on all iPhones.

Dex
11-04-2011, 07:03 PM
This is probably why I'm liking Android more than iOS. Having my iPhone jailbroken was a prerequisite for me, as the amount of useful tools you could grab dwarf what is regulated by Apple. And I personally hate being told what I can or cannot put on a phone I fucking bought, or that it's even "illegal", when it's not. Really, it made sense for me to go with an OD that almost gives my the same functionality stock than iOS does jailbroken.

The problem with Android is likely in part from the different manufacturers putting their carriers putting their UIs and carrier putting their bloatware on top of Android which just complicates updates. I'm hoping this might get better with ICS. But I'm guessing your bricking issue can't be any more common as the iPhone 4 "death grip" or the problem with 4s stated in the OP's article - not a good reason to shit on all iPhones.

Yeah, I agree that if you pay for the device, you should be able to put whatever you want on it. I just also think that if you are going to change the software provided by the manufacturer / carrier, you've got to to accept the negative side effects that come with it, or at least you can't blame them for it. All they did was give us the hardware. And I don't think anyone ever said it's "illegal" to jailbreak your phone....just don't expect the OEM to support it if you aren't running the OEM's software.

That's what annoys me so much about my Droid problems. I haven't rooted it, I don't even download not approved apps, and the thing still acts a'fool.

But yeah, all devices and software are gonna have their fair share of bugs, especially in alpha stages, otherwise there would be no such thing as technical support. I'd like for the OP to dig up some articles or statements where Apple (or any manufacturer, for that matter) stated "no one will ever have any problems with this device, EVER!"

ElNono
11-04-2011, 09:24 PM
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/2011/images/11/03/batterygate.03.jpg

Dex
11-04-2011, 09:27 PM
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/2011/images/11/03/batterygate.03.jpg

:lol

Frenzy
11-04-2011, 09:42 PM
No surprises here.

DMC
11-04-2011, 10:55 PM
No, I'm an apologist for the product because I've had plenty of experience with both, and genuinely feel like one is much better than the other. And so do the majority of consumers, apparently.

But I'm betting that you are one of those who insist people just like paying more for the pretty Apple on the back.
I don't insist anything of the sort. I see people pretending Apple is infallible, like God shit it out one day and said "here's the answer".

When they have faults, the faults get ignored because people are already pot committed, and unlike most other products, you become part of the "crowd" that comprises the Apple consumers.

I've never seen anyone with a "PC" or "Android" logo on their green Volkswagen.

Apple reminds me of the book "Animal Farm" because they started out "different" and were just chugging along ignoring the PC world, Windows and the like. They had their following of people who knew the story and stuck with them regardless of the fact there was almost no apps for Mac back then compared to PC.

Fast forward to today, Apple is a mega-giant and they are overcharging the fuck out of their "loyal" customers while basically regulating them into the fucking ground and delivering basic shit with pretty wrappers. People go out and "jail break" these things which amounts to making them useful.

So, shit load of money for limited or broken apps, and the users brag about how much money Apple makes.

Sounds like Microsoft many years ago.

Dex
11-04-2011, 11:26 PM
I don't insist anything of the sort. I see people pretending Apple is infallible, like God shit it out one day and said "here's the answer".

When they have faults, the faults get ignored because people are already pot committed, and unlike most other products, you become part of the "crowd" that comprises the Apple consumers.

I've never seen anyone with a "PC" or "Android" logo on their green Volkswagen.

Apple reminds me of the book "Animal Farm" because they started out "different" and were just chugging along ignoring the PC world, Windows and the like. They had their following of people who knew the story and stuck with them regardless of the fact there was almost no apps for Mac back then compared to PC.

Fast forward to today, Apple is a mega-giant and they are overcharging the fuck out of their "loyal" customers while basically regulating them into the fucking ground and delivering basic shit with pretty wrappers. People go out and "jail break" these things which amounts to making them useful.

So, shit load of money for limited or broken apps, and the users brag about how much money Apple makes.

Sounds like Microsoft many years ago.

:lmao At iPhone being a "shit" product because it's had a few isolated problems in its innovative and massively successful lifespan. And you don't have to jailbreak an iPhone to make it useful; it actually usually makes them run worse. People jailbreak them because they are too cheap to a) pay for a plan, b) buy apps, or c) want to run shit that they probably don't really need in the first place. If you don't understand why a better product costs more money, then I'm not here to teach you basic economics.

This is exactly why it's useless to hash out this argument which has been done ten thousand times before this.

What you see as an inferior product, I see as a superior one. Despite the several reasons that I've already stated why I think that way, you'll still accuse me of doing so just because I'm being 'elitist' or whatever. So lets just agree to disagree, and you can go on hating just for the sake of hating.

DMC
11-04-2011, 11:42 PM
:lmao At iPhone being a "shit" product because it's had a few isolated problems in its innovative and massively successful lifespan. And you don't have to jailbreak an iPhone to make it useful; it actually usually makes them run worse. People jailbreak them because they are too cheap to a) pay for a plan, b) buy apps, or c) want to run shit that they probably don't really need in the first place. If you don't understand why a better product costs more money, then I'm not here to teach you basic economics.
That's just it, you shouldn't have to buy the fucking apps. You paid out the ass for a phone and now you have to buy the apps.

:lmao "probably don't need..." People need Iphones.

No wonder Apple has you by the short and curlies.



This is exactly why it's useless to hash out this argument which has been done ten thousand times before this.

Yet here you are.


What you see as an inferior product, I see as a superior one. Despite the several reasons that I've already stated why I think that way, you'll still accuse me of doing so just because I'm being 'elitist' or whatever. So lets just agree to disagree, and you can go on hating just for the sake of hating.I've not made any such accusation. Victim much?

Just don't click on a thread that says LOL Iphone 4 and you will be fine. Were you drawn here by Jobs' ghost?

Dex
11-05-2011, 12:10 AM
That's just it, you shouldn't have to buy the fucking apps. You paid out the ass for a phone and now you have to buy the apps.

You have to buy apps on Android, too. Unless you root it, which is the same thing as jailbreaking, which you've already claimed you shouldn't need to do.


:lmao "probably don't need..." People need Iphones.

People don't need cell phones period, but if they buy one, there are certain expectations of what it should be able to do...i.e. make calls, store contacts, track calendars, access Maps, etc....iPhones can do all of that (and I'd argue better than any other phone) right out of the box.


I've not made any such accusation. Victim much?


No, you're just abusing the use of quotation marks and making comparisons to Animal Farm which make no sense. WTF do iPhones have to do with the Stalin era?


Just don't click on a thread that says LOL Iphone 4 and you will be fine.

Now you're starting to make some sense. :toast

TE
11-05-2011, 02:28 AM
I've had my 4S for 4 days. Battery life seems to be alright.

leemajors
11-05-2011, 11:44 AM
I don't insist anything of the sort. I see people pretending Apple is infallible, like God shit it out one day and said "here's the answer".

When they have faults, the faults get ignored because people are already pot committed, and unlike most other products, you become part of the "crowd" that comprises the Apple consumers.

I've never seen anyone with a "PC" or "Android" logo on their green Volkswagen.

Apple reminds me of the book "Animal Farm" because they started out "different" and were just chugging along ignoring the PC world, Windows and the like. They had their following of people who knew the story and stuck with them regardless of the fact there was almost no apps for Mac back then compared to PC.

Fast forward to today, Apple is a mega-giant and they are overcharging the fuck out of their "loyal" customers while basically regulating them into the fucking ground and delivering basic shit with pretty wrappers. People go out and "jail break" these things which amounts to making them useful.

So, shit load of money for limited or broken apps, and the users brag about how much money Apple makes.

Sounds like Microsoft many years ago.

Apple's phone prices are not exorbitant, they are in line with every other wireless handset maker - whether or not all phone handset software is overpriced is another matter entirely. I guess you are talking about their computers, but if you build a similar top of the line laptop or PC from any other manufacturer the prices aren't all that different. FYI Apple includes stickers with all of their products - I imagine if Google did that with Android handsets (and the manufacturers agreed to put them in packaging) you would see the same thing.

Cry Havoc
11-05-2011, 12:40 PM
Shocking as it may be to many people on this forum, I think Apple has been taking steps in the right direction with their products lately. I think they're a very good company and the iPhone is pretty awesome -- just that Android is better and a lot more flexible.

MannyIsGod
11-05-2011, 01:12 PM
Dex, you have a shitty phone. Thats not android. Its YOUR SHITTY PHONE. Jesus you've cried about this for months.

leemajors
11-05-2011, 03:25 PM
Dex, you have a shitty phone. Thats not android. Its YOUR SHITTY PHONE. Jesus you've cried about this for months.

they need to quit putting android on shitty phones then!

Nathan Explosion
11-05-2011, 05:42 PM
Dex, you have a shitty phone. Thats not android. Its YOUR SHITTY PHONE. Jesus you've cried about this for months.

Well, it's Google's fault that their operating system doesn't work on his shitty phone. At least, that's what Hater would say if he hated Android.

Fact is this, products don't come out perfect. But if it can be fixed with a simple update, then no problem.

Now, as for the whole paying for apps thing, it's the companies that charge for apps. They spend a lot of time and effort on their apps (partially to meet Apple's standards so you can blame Apple for that) and they feel they should get paid so they charge. Don't see what the big deal is. Android has apps you pay for and even Cydia has some apps that charge.

DMC
11-05-2011, 07:29 PM
Would you buy the phone if it was advertised as having problems?

Me: No.

Consumers are so quick to forgive these things just so they can be part of the Apple crowd.

Sure all phones have issues, but Apple users are notorious for distinguishing their products as being more reliable, overall better.

If it's a toss up, I see no reason to pick Apple.

Cry Havoc
11-05-2011, 07:34 PM
Fact is this, products don't come out perfect. But if it can be fixed with a simple update, then no problem.

My issue with Apple isn't that they have problems. It's that when they do have problems they tend to deny the problems exist in the first place, then somewhere down the road they fix them. Only when it's prolific and obvious will they step up and admit their mistakes.


Now, as for the whole paying for apps thing, it's the companies that charge for apps. They spend a lot of time and effort on their apps (partially to meet Apple's standards so you can blame Apple for that) and they feel they should get paid so they charge. Don't see what the big deal is. Android has apps you pay for and even Cydia has some apps that charge.

Really fucking bizarre that people are downtalking Apple for charging for their apps. Google is pretty unique in that they offer most of their services for free. I don't think any other company could emulate that with the kind of success they've had. That's more a reflection of how remarkable the rise of a search engine to a massive global company has been rather than a negative reflection of Apple.

ElNono
11-05-2011, 07:36 PM
Would you buy the phone if it was advertised as having problems?

Me: No.

Consumers are so quick to forgive these things just so they can be part of the Apple crowd.

Sure all phones have issues, but Apple users are notorious for distinguishing their products as being more reliable, overall better.

If it's a toss up, I see no reason to pick Apple.

But this is baloney. Apple is held to a higher standard because they a) charge you more because you're getting a high quality product and b) they take pride on being able to charge more for a quality product.

tbqh, most every iPhone 4 has the 'antenna-gate' "problem" and they sell great because the "problem" really isn't such. Apple is simply held to a much higher standard than the competition and certain people (lol hater) can't wait for them to screw up.

DMC
11-05-2011, 07:38 PM
But this is baloney. Apple is held to a higher standard because they a) charge you more because you're getting a high quality product and b) they take pride on being able to charge more for a quality product.

tbqh, most every iPhone 4 has the 'antenna-gate' "problem" and they sell great because the "problem" really isn't such. Apple is simply held to a much higher standard than the competition and certain people (lol hater) can't wait for them to screw up.

So back to what I was saying....

If it's a toss up, meaning both platforms have issues, then I see no reason to choose Apple.

ElNono
11-05-2011, 07:41 PM
My issue with Apple isn't that they have problems. It's that when they do have problems they tend to deny the problems exist in the first place, then somewhere down the road they fix them. Only when it's prolific and obvious will they step up and admit their mistakes.

It's called liability. Microsoft will rarely, if ever, acknowldge a problem, and there's been instances where they didn't even bother to produce a fix for years.

Fact is, if it's such a detrimental problem, people would steer away from the devices. But they don't because they're still quality products.


Really fucking bizarre that people are downtalking Apple for charging for their apps. Google is pretty unique in that they offer most of their services for free. I don't think any other company could emulate that with the kind of success they've had. That's more a reflection of how remarkable the rise of a search engine to a massive global company has been rather than a negative reflection of Apple.

Google is simply a different company, and thus they don't care about an actual ecosystem like Apple. For Apple, the focus has to be on the experience that both the combination of software and hardware deliver. Google simply doesn't care. They just want traffic to their services to feed the advertising machine. They're two very different companies.

ElNono
11-05-2011, 07:42 PM
So back to what I was saying....

If it's a toss up, meaning both platforms have issues, then I see no reason to choose Apple.

That's your choice. Respectable, as any.

Cry Havoc
11-05-2011, 08:15 PM
Google is simply a different company, and thus they don't care about an actual ecosystem like Apple. For Apple, the focus has to be on the experience that both the combination of software and hardware deliver. Google simply doesn't care. They just want traffic to their services to feed the advertising machine. They're two very different companies.

You really think you can make a blanket statement like, "Google doesn't care"? Really? One of the most carefully crafted public images in the history of business doesn't care about it's product or end-user experience? Have you been following the updates to Android lately? It's all about streamlining the OS and making it a smoother system to use.

ElNono
11-05-2011, 10:26 PM
You really think you can make a blanket statement like, "Google doesn't care"? Really? One of the most carefully crafted public images in the history of business doesn't care about it's product or end-user experience? Have you been following the updates to Android lately? It's all about streamlining the OS and making it a smoother system to use.

You're talking about something completely different. You're talking about the underlying technology. If they cared about the experience, or the image reflected from that, they wouldn't let carriers cripple the fuck of Android, or transform it in ways that barely resembles whatever Google wants the Android experience to be like (which anybody would have a hard time explaining, because Google themselves haven't really set forth what they want that to be).

The incentive for Google with Android has little to do with the user experience. Obviously, it can't completely suck in order to be competitive (that said, being free for carriers is probably competitive enough). But it has everything to do with having a foothold on every mobile device by means of including their mainstream services (search/maps/gmail/etc) on it.

As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure Google is much more worried about the growth of Bing right now that any competition with Apple from an OS standpoint. That's where they make their money.

Dex
11-06-2011, 02:16 AM
Dex, you have a shitty phone. Thats not android. Its YOUR SHITTY PHONE. Jesus you've cried about this for months.

I hate my shitty phone. :depressed

I'll be glad when I can switch to iPhone and bitch about its problems.

TheMACHINE
11-06-2011, 12:43 PM
Lol apple making its phone do a little more then surfing the net and making calls and it hits the shitter.

TheMACHINE
11-06-2011, 12:48 PM
so my homegirl bought a S2, 3 weeks ago...i saw her last night and she previously had a iphone. I looked at her s2 and it was pretty plain...i spent 20 mins customizing widgets, adding one touch calling etc. When she got it back she was amazed, she literally jizzed at seeing the awesomeness i did to her s2. Sucks that iphone fanboys will never experience such bliss. Lol

leemajors
11-06-2011, 12:53 PM
so my homegirl bought a S2, 3 weeks ago...i saw her last night and she previously had a iphone. I looked at her s2 and it was pretty plain...i spent 20 mins customizing widgets, adding one touch calling etc. When she got it back she was amazed, she literally jizzed at seeing the awesomeness i did to her s2. Sucks that iphone fanboys will never experience such bliss. Lol

sounds like a homeboy if it jizzed son

TheGreatest23
11-06-2011, 02:03 PM
sounds like a homeboy if it jizzed son

Did you just admit on the net that you have never made a girl jizz?

Nathan Explosion
11-06-2011, 04:01 PM
Did you just admit on the net that you have never made a girl jizz?

Sorry, but he's right. Sounds like a dude to me. I think you meant squirt, but you emphasized jizz. Definitely a dude.

anakha
11-06-2011, 07:17 PM
Well, that's a direction I never expected this thread to go...

lefty
11-06-2011, 09:22 PM
so my homegirl bought a S2, 3 weeks ago...i saw her last night and she previously had a iphone. I looked at her s2 and it was pretty plain...i spent 20 mins customizing widgets, adding one touch calling etc. When she got it back she was amazed, she literally jizzed at seeing the awesomeness i did to her s2. Sucks that iphone fanboys will never experience such bliss. Lol

It takes me less than 20 minutes to jaibreak my iPhone 4 and customize it any way I want.

Your attempt is an epic fail :lmao

ElNono
11-06-2011, 10:43 PM
^^^ :cry :cry :cry

ElNono
11-06-2011, 10:43 PM
:lol

lefty
11-06-2011, 10:47 PM
^^^ :cry :cry :cry

Elaborate, please

Drachen
11-06-2011, 10:53 PM
This thread turned funny....


Oh and lefty:
It's not Deutsh, it's Deutsch.

ElNono
11-06-2011, 10:59 PM
Elaborate, please :cry :cry :cry

:lol

TheMACHINE
11-06-2011, 11:10 PM
It takes me less than 20 minutes to jaibreak my iPhone 4 and customize it any way I want.

Your attempt is an epic fail :lmao

being that she doesnt want me to root her phone and i was still able to customize it to her liking, i think thats pretty good.

LOL @ having to jailbreak a phone at the first place to even have it do more then surf the net and make phone calls.

LOL @ having a chick phone.

lefty
11-06-2011, 11:25 PM
being that she doesnt want me to root her phone and i was still able to customize it to her liking, i think thats pretty good.

LOL @ having to jailbreak a phone at the first place to even have it do more then surf the net and make phone calls.

LOL @ having a chick phone.

Jailbreaking is soooooooio hard


With you GF's phone, you still had to tweak it

JB = tweaking as well



Dont get me wrong, Android is great too; I have toyed with the Galaxy Tab 10.1 , and it's pretty badass