Adobe Announcing End of Mobile Flash?

[leemajors]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/09/adobe-reportedly-will-announce-the-end-of-flash-player-for-mobil/

[Drachen]

Yeah, I read that, guess they are going with HTML 5 going forward. Good for them.

[lefty]

Hater


Testify !!!!!


Do you see what Apple has done ? :lol

[Nathan Explosion]

Take the whole "doesn't play Flash" off the con list for iOS then. I'm surprised it happened because of how entrenched Adobe was with flash.

[leemajors]

they aren't pulling it entirely, just not developing it further. it's still a valid point if you want flash on your mobile device

[Nathan Explosion]

they aren't pulling it entirely, just not developing it further. it's still a valid point if you want flash on your mobile device

For now. But as things advanced, Flash will become a thing of the past on mobile devices and apps and the argument will become moot. Unless Android wants to keep putting an outdated plugin on their future devices.

[Drachen]

Yes, I am still happy that I am able to view the entire internet currently on my phone.

[lefty]

For now. But as things advanced, Flash will become a thing of the past on mobile devices and apps and the argument will become moot. Unless Android wants to keep putting an outdated plugin on their future devices.
I agree

lol flash

[Nathan Explosion]

Yes, I am still happy that I am able to view the entire internet currently on my phone.

And I'm happy I don't have to worry about annoying videos popping up all the time. On my desktop I turn them off all the time, that is, if Kaspersky hasn't blocked them already. Once I got my iPhone, I realized how little I actually used Flash. There are times when I need it, but I'd say 90% of the time I don't, and 5% it isn't important anyway.

[leemajors]

Yes, I am still happy that I am able to view the entire internet currently on my phone.

personally, I don't really care for flash on my PC either. it's one of the few things that crashes Chrome for me.

[Nathan Explosion]

personally, I don't really care for flash on my PC either. it's one of the few things that crashes Chrome for me.

Yeah, I get a message that A plugin has stopped working and asks it I want to stop it. 99% of the time, it's the Flash plugin.

[lefty]

http://i.imgur.com/To9Jv.png

[hater]

Hater


Testify !!!!!


Do you see what Apple has done ? :lol

LOL Lefty.

Microsoft had a presentation a couple weeks ago where they said their IE 10 Metro won't support ANY plugins.

2 weeks later Adobe goes kaput.

LOL they didn't give a shit about Apple for years. They care about what really matters, MSFT :lol

[lefty]

LOL Lefty.

Microsoft had a presentation a couple weeks ago where they said their IE 10 Metro won't support ANY plugins.

2 weeks later Adobe goes kaput.

LOL they didn't give a shit about Apple for years. They care about what really matters, MSFT :lol

April 2010:

"New open standards created in the mobile era, such as HTML5, will win on mobile devices (and PCs too). Perhaps Adobe should focus more on creating great HTML5 tools for the future, and less on criticizing Apple for leaving the past behind." :lol

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/

[ElNono]

Yeah, they're dropping mobile Flash because Microsoft obviously enjoys complete domination on the mobile market... :lol

[hater]

not the point. They have to start somewhere and the Mobile part is obviously the 1st one to go.

LOL if you think Adobe Flash will still be around in browsers in 1 year and 1/2 :lol

face it. Microsoft released their strategy and 2 weeks later Adobe is done.

[ElNono]

I'm pretty sure it will be available in desktop browsers.

[ElNono]

Adobe also announced layoffs yesterday:

In order to better align resources around Digital Media and Digital Marketing, Adobe is restructuring its business. This will result in the elimination of approximately 750 full-time positions primarily in North America and Europe. We expect to record in the aggregate approximately $87 million to $94 million in pre-tax restructuring charges. Included in these charges are (i) approximately $17 million to $19 million primarily related to the consolidation of leased facilities and (ii) approximately $70 million to $75 million related to employee severance arrangements. We expect to record approximately $73 million to $78 million of these charges in the fiscal quarter ending Dec. 2, 2011.

[leemajors]

LOL Lefty.

Microsoft had a presentation a couple weeks ago where they said their IE 10 Metro won't support ANY plugins.

2 weeks later Adobe goes kaput.

LOL they didn't give a shit about Apple for years. They care about what really matters, MSFT :lol

Adobe cares a great deal about Apple, due to the amount of people who use their CS suites in MacOSX.

[hater]

I'm pretty sure it will be available in desktop browsers.

not about being available. Sites are moving away from Flash like the plague. Next year HTML5 is official even more so.

In 2 years Flash/Silverlight will be irrelevant even on desktops.

[ElNono]

not about being available. Sites are moving away from Flash like the plague. Next year HTML5 is official even more so.

Why would sites be moving away from Flash like the plague if MSFT only described their strategy two weeks ago? :lol


In 2 years Flash/Silverlight will be irrelevant even on desktops.

No way. But in order to understand why, you would need to understand why HTML5 simply can't do certain things Flash/Silverlight can do.

For example, you simply can't do encrypted streams in HTML5.

The reason it makes sense to drop Flash for mobile only is because content providers can monetize better through mobile apps. There just isn't an ecosystem like that on the PC side, and there won't be for quite a while.

[hater]

Why would sites be moving away from Flash like the plague if MSFT only described their strategy two weeks ago? :lol


Huh, because their strategy does not include Browser Plugins in long term future plans? :rolleyes



No way. But in order to understand why, you would need to understand why HTML5 simply can't do certain things Flash/Silverlight can do.

For example, you simply can't do encrypted streams in HTML5.


and what percentage of all sites use encrypted streams :lol



The reason it makes sense to drop Flash for mobile only is because content providers can monetize better through mobile apps. There just isn't an ecosystem like that on the PC side, and there won't be for quite a while.

Yup dropping Flash Mobile was the 1st step. Don't be fooled, that is just the begining of the bad news for Adobe.

[ElNono]

Huh, because their strategy does not include Browser Plugins in long term future plans? :rolleyes

Sites started moving away from Flash like the plague two weeks ago? :lmao


and what percentage of all sites use encrypted streams :lol

All the sites delivering premium content: ESPN3, League Pass, Hulu+, etc etc etc.


Yup dropping Flash Mobile was the 1st step. Don't be fooled, that is just the begining of the bad news for Adobe.

Uh? Adobe is much more than Flash.

[hater]

Sites started moving away from Flash like the plague two weeks ago? :lmao


I think that's a fair assessment.



All the sites delivering premium content: ESPN3, League Pass, Hulu+, etc etc etc.

so .001% of the web :lol



Uh? Adobe is much more than Flash.

of course. I was referring to Adoble Flash Plugin and it's web presence. And I agree Flash video and Silverlight video will remain in some fashion for a tad bit longer, but will be gone eventually.

In the near future, I was referring to a typical Flash site (which 99% of flash web sites are)

[hater]

Believe me, if you are making an interactive website and you are looking 2+ years in the future. It would be a stupid move to make a Flash website.

[ElNono]

I think that's a fair assessment.

:lmao :lmao :lmao


so .001% of the web :lol

As long it's bigger than zero, you're going to need a platform that works, and HTML5 can't deliver that. Especially since they're amongst the most popular sites out there (Hulu is top 50 in the US).


of course. I was referring to Adoble Flash Plugin and it's web presence. And I agree Flash video and Silverlight video will remain in some fashion for a tad bit longer, but will be gone eventually.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/pictures/t/41/be05d856299284fe8d472ef577bd7fff_41853.gif?dl=1253 806772

:lol

[hater]

http://www.city-data.com/forum/pictures/t/41/be05d856299284fe8d472ef577bd7fff_41853.gif?dl=1253 806772

:lol

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao using Hulu the flavor of the week as cornerstone to your argument

:lmao

http://mobilitydigest.com/flash-is-dead-silverlight-is-dead-html5-to-rule-them-all/
Flash is Dead, Silverlight is Dead: HTML5 To Rule Them All

So HTML5 is going to be the ubiquitous plasma to the blood that runs all operating systems. Well at least we can stop talking about how good/bad Flash is and move back to software companies providing the best tools and optimizing users experiences. And yes, this is mobile Flash but as the mobile world continues to pick up steam it’s hard to imagine that developers continue to embrace it as it’s a shrinking audience so this marks the beginning of the end of Flash.

This also aligns with Microsoft’s movements in Windows 8 where Flash will not work in the Metro/tablet Internet Explorer to optimize battery life and performance… :lol

[hater]

:lol Nono that bridge in Brooklyn sound good to you? :lol

Flash is dead. Long live HTML5.
Adobe’s love affair with its Flash format has come to an end. Oh sure, Adobe said they were just killing development on mobile browser Flash in favor of HTML5, but seriously, do you think, that they’ll keep working on Flash on the desktop for much longer? If you do, I have a nice, lightly-used bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you. No, the end of Flash is in sight and HTML5 is now the one true future for Internet video.

:lol ElNono

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/flash-is-dead-long-live-html5/1633

[ElNono]

using Hulu the flavor of the week as cornerstone to your argument

I simply know the technology, and HTML5 can't do it. Maybe that'll come up with HTML6, but until then, Flash/Silverlight/Plugin/App it is.

[hater]

Of course, Adobe isn’t just saying forget about Flash. Adobe wants to bring all the Flash goodness it can to HTML5.

In speaking about the desktop, Winokur said, “We will continue to leverage our experience with Flash to accelerate our work with the W3C and WebKit to bring similar capabilities to HTML5 as quickly as possible, just as we have done with CSS Shaders. And, we will design new features in Flash for a smooth transition to HTML5 as the standards evolve so developers can confidently invest knowing their skills will continue to be leveraged.”

The writing is on the wall. While Adobe programmers will be able to use their same Adobe software development tools, the end-product is clearly going to be HTML5 video. Flash is now a legay format.

[hater]

By this time next year, I expect Adobe will have announced that, except for legacy support, all Flash development will have come to an end.

Flash is dead. Long live HTML5.

:lol ElNono

[ElNono]

And lol @ aligning with metro/internet explorer tablet. How many of those MSFT sold, hater? :lol

[ElNono]

By this time next year, I expect Adobe will have announced that, except for legacy support, all Flash development will have come to an end.

Flash is dead. Long live HTML5.

:lol ElNono

:lol I expect
:lol hater

[ElNono]

And I agree Flash video and Silverlight video will remain in some fashion for a tad bit longer

:lmao

[hater]

those are quotes from the ZDNET article. btw :downspin:


I simply know the technology, and HTML5 can't do it. Maybe that'll come up with HTML6, but until then, Flash/Silverlight/Plugin/App it is.

you simply don't know the technology. HTML5 has not been finalized yet, how the hell do you know if it will do what Flash does in 1 year? or 2?

HTML6? are you serious? :rolleyes

[ElNono]

”And, we will design new features in Flash for a smooth transition to HTML5 as the standards evolve so developers can confidently invest knowing their skills will continue to be leveraged.”

Yep, looks like they're axing it... :rolleyes

:lol can't read
:lol hater

[hater]

:lol ElNono quote picking

this is another quote:
The writing is on the wall. While Adobe programmers will be able to use their same Adobe software development tools, the end-product is clearly going to be HTML5 video. Flash is now a legacy format.

:lol can't read

[scott]

Even from his grave, Steve Jobs is still winning.

[leemajors]

hater all you do is quote pick, and it's usually contradicted later in your source articles :lol

[ElNono]

those are quotes from the ZDNET article. btw :downspin:

You mean the blog post :downspin:


you simply don't know the technology. HTML5 has not been finalized yet, how the hell do you know if it will do what Flash does in 1 year? or 2?

I know what HTML5 can do right now, and I've had to write encrypted video streaming code, and it isn't coming anytime soon. It's not even a codec issue, it's entirely a security issue. And FWIW, in order to make HTML5 do everything Flash does will take a very long time. Simply the fact that Adobe has no control over the HTML5 standard slows down the process considerably.

HTML5 has been in development for 7 years. You'll easily need another 5+ to catch up to everything Flash does. At some point you have to make the standard final, and it's not going to be another 5 years.

[ElNono]

this is another quote:
The writing is on the wall. While Adobe programmers will be able to use their same Adobe software development tools, the end-product is clearly going to be HTML5 video. Flash is now a legacy format.

:lol can't read

:lol not a quote
:lol can't read

[hater]

You mean the blog post :downspin:


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vs.

ElNono
Has 36,728 posts in Spurstalk.


:lmao


just messing with you ElNono

[Cry Havoc]

Adobe is only abandoning Flash in mobile browsers (which is great, it was a horrible idea), not Flash in the mobile platform altogether. There's a huge difference.

[ElNono]

ElNono
Has 36,728 posts in Spurstalk.


:lmao


just messing with you ElNono

Don't make me brag about myself :lol
My first modem was actually 150bps :lol

[Cry Havoc]

Don't make me brag about myself :lol
My first modem was actually 150bps :lol

My first modem involved tapping and beeps.

[ElNono]

I'm just waiting for hater to comeback with "this was my first modem":

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/willow/smoke-signal0.gif

:lol

[hater]

close

http://mos.futurenet.com/techradar/classifications/world%20of%20tech/images/modem_history/First%20Modem-420-90.jpg

[ElNono]

^^^ :lol

Now we need Cobra to walk in and start talking about when he worked for AT&T and the flux capacitor :sleep

[lefty]

Not just mobile: Adobe is abandoning Flash on TVs as well

By Ryan Lawler (http://gigaom.com/author/ryangigaom/) Nov. 9, 2011, 2:24pm PT 8 Comments (http://gigaom.com/video/flash-tv-future/#comments)






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http://gigaom2.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/flashuninstall-feature.png?w=300&h=200 (http://gigaom2.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/flashuninstall-feature.png)Adobe announced Wednesday that it would be abandoning its work to enable rich applications on mobile devices through Flash (http://gigaom.com/2011/11/09/why-flash-didnt-work-out-on-mobile-devices/), and would be focusing on HTML5 and Adobe AIR apps instead. But at the same time that it was working on bringing Flash video and applications to mobile devices, it was also hoping to bridge the divide between web video and what could be watched on connected TVs. So what happens to those efforts?
While the market for TV apps is incredibly fragmented, it doesn’t appear that Adobe’s Flash will provide a solution. The company confirmed through a statement that like mobile, it will no longer focus on porting the Flash plugin into web browsers on CE devices, but believes developers should build native apps on those devices instead. An Adobe spokesperson writes:

“Adobe will continue to support existing licensees who are planning on supporting Flash Player for web browsing on digital home devices and are using the Flash Player Porting Kit to do so. However we believe the right approach to deliver content on televisions is through applications, not a web browsing experience, and we will continue to encourage the device and content publishing community down that path.”
Adobe’s efforts to bring Flash to connected TVs, Blu-ray players and other devices, like its mobile Flash plans, were part of its Open Screen Project (http://www.openscreenproject.org/), which aimed to create a consistent app runtime across multiple devices. The idea was that developers would be able to create a Flash application once and be able to distribute it across web browsers, mobile devices and TVs.
Two-and-a-half years ago, Adobe announced a number of partnerships with OEMs and system-on-chip vendors (http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200904/042009FlashDigitalHome.html) such as Broadcom, Intel, STMicroelectronics, NXP Semiconductors and Sigma Designs to embed the Flash player into their silicon. But the number of TVs and other CE devices that support the Flash player (http://www.adobe.com/flashplatform/certified_devices/digital_home.html) have been limited to those from Sony and Logitech running the Google TV operating system. And Google TV has hardly been a success.
Now, Adobe is taking a step back from those plans, but not abandoning the TV app segment altogether. Instead of pushing multi-screen browser-based Flash applications, Adobe is hoping to convince developers to create native apps on mobile and TV devices using the Adobe AIR framework. Already some developers are taking advantage of that framework, with publishers like CNet, Epix and YouTube building TV apps (http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2011/01/adobe-air-for-tv-demos-ces-2011.html) for Samsung TVs based on Adobe AIR.

[resistanze]

You know it's bad when I never even knew Flash was on TV.

[ElNono]

It's just too resource intensive for low-cost underpowered hardware.

[hater]

check out this html5 site :wow flash who?

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