Kudos To The Players

[Monostradamus]

The owners have been lowballing them like the greedy Jew shysters they are, altering offers and trying to bully them with ultimatums, and the players finally said "fuck this" and dropped the bomb on them. The players made concession after concession after concession and it still wasn't good enough. It stopped being a negotiation becuause the owner didn't negotiate shit, they just made demands and expected the players to bend over.

I hate missing a season but anything that will put David Stern in his place and get him out the door quicker is a good thing. I just wish they did this sooner, like the NFL did. Then maybe a season could be salvaged. Oh well.

[lefty]

The players are assholes
The owners are assholes

They can burn in hell

[Giuseppe]

^I hate to agree with this silly son of a bitch (Mono, not Lefty), but, he's right.

[lefty]

And yes


Fucl Stern

[Giuseppe]

Stern has been out of character during this Fiasco. He's usually much more reserved and professional. I wonder what goes on there.

[Monostradamus]

This here says it all. Every expert on the subject agrees.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-111115/writers-fans-break-latest-nba-lockout-fallout

1. Fact or Fiction: The owners and players have negotiated in good faith.

Tom Haberstroh, ESPN.com: Fiction. It's a weightless concept anyway, but the empty ultimatums thrown around by David Stern never sat well with me -- especially with two months to go from the drop-dead date of the 1998-99 lockout-shortened season. The owners' proposal was clear: "You're playing on our terms." That's not collective bargaining.

Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live: Fiction. The players have mostly negotiated in good faith, even if it has been an embarrassing display of bargaining execution. The owners, on the other hand, have been deplorable in the way they've negotiated. While I don't disagree with their motives for wanting change, the way they've attempted to "negotiate" with the players has been bullying at best. They should learn how to use their words.

Rob Mahoney, Two-Man Game: Fiction. Armed only with the information we have thus far, it certainly doesn't seem that way. The players have made very real, substantive concessions relative to the last collective bargaining agreement, while the owners began negotiating from an outlandish position and have simply dubbed the adoption of a more reasonable stance as an equal concession. Both sides deserve blame for the current situation, but the players' efforts to negotiate have seemed a bit more genuine.

Beckley Mason, HoopSpeak: Both. The NBA's unnecessary ultimatums don't fit the fuzzy definition of "good faith," but I suppose that's the luxury of being a monopolist. The league's tactics have driven us to this point -- I don't want to equivocate here -- but disclaiming isn't a very collaborative approach, either. Frighteningly enough, it actually precludes collective negotiation.

David Thorpe, Scouts Inc.: Fiction. The players have, without doubt. I think union executive director Billy Hunter has, too. Union attorney Jeffrey Kessler, in my opinion, still has a lot to prove as to whether or not he has acted in the players' good faith on his own. The owners have not, in the sense that negotiation suggests compromise. The owners wanted $300 million a year back from the players and a new system. That's their only goal.

[Giuseppe]

In all honesty though, Mono, before the players threw the turd into the pool yesterday Media was playing both sides against the middle. Now that there is no longer a dollar & a dime to be made playing both sides they've once again come home to those who butter their bread.

[lefty]

Some players have not felt “in the loop” with union (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/15/some-players-have-not-felt-%e2%80%9cin-the-loop%e2%80%9d-with-union/)

Kurt Helin (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/author/kurthelin/)
Nov 15, 2011, 11:38 AM EST

1 Comment (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/15/some-players-have-not-felt-%e2%80%9cin-the-loop%e2%80%9d-with-union/#comments)

http://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/boston-celtics-glen-davis-right-grabs-the-ball-after-colliding-with-san-antonio-spurs-antonio-mcdyess-during-the-second-half-of-an-nba-basketball-game-thursday-march-31-2011-in.jpeg?w=320 AP When NBA union director Billy Hunter asked for a show of hands in a New York hotel Wednesday it was unanimous. All the guys in the room backed the idea of the union filing a “disclaimer of interest” and taking the fight to the courts (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/14/players-vote-to-reject-offer-disband-union-season-likely-doomed/).
But for some rank and file players who would rather just get back on the court, they don’t feel heard in all this.
Take what Glen Davis (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1383/glen-davis) told the Boston Herald (http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/celtics/index.php/2011/11/14/big-baby-everyone-has-to-stop-sticking-their-chests-out/). The Celtics (well, free agent) forward speaks for others.

“I don’t think I’ve been kept in the loop as far as what’s going on and how things are going on,” he said. “I want to be kept in the loop, but when I say that, they say, well, come to the meetings.
“It’s not just Paul (Pierce, Celtics team rep) making that decision,” said Davis. “It’s also Derek (Fisher) and Billy Hunter. I talk to players, but my friends are guys like Paul and (Kevin Garnett (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/354/kevin-garnett)) – guys who are in a different stage of their careers. I don’t talk to a lot of the guys who are more in my stage, like Carl Landry (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1407/carl-landry) and DeJuan Blair (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1598/dejuan-blair).”
On the other coast, Kings forward DeMarcus Cousins (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1715/demarcus-cousins) was frustrated as well, as are a number of younger players, he told the Sacramento Bee (http://www.sacbee.com/2011/11/15/4054952/kings-cousins-says-hes-frustrated.html#mi_rss=Kings/NBA).

“Some of the young players I talked to, it’s not about the money. We just want to go out there and play ball,” Cousins said. “For me, it’s knocking off time for me to be improving as a player. This whole situation is really not helping out us younger players.”
With 450 members the players union — well, trade association now — is not going to be able to keep everyone happy. Some guys care and seek out the information, others stand back and let others take the lead. Not everyone is going to seek out the information on where things stand.
But remember that while the sentiment in that New York hotel conference room was unanimous, it is not across the full width of the NBA.

[mavs>spurs]

Well I won't be watching whenever it comes back, fuck em all.

[mavs>spurs]

As a matter of fact now that we rang, I hope this shit ass league folds

[Red Hawk #21]

Some players have not felt “in the loop” with union (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/15/some-players-have-not-felt-%e2%80%9cin-the-loop%e2%80%9d-with-union/)

Kurt Helin (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/author/kurthelin/)
Nov 15, 2011, 11:38 AM EST

1 Comment (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/15/some-players-have-not-felt-%e2%80%9cin-the-loop%e2%80%9d-with-union/#comments)

http://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/boston-celtics-glen-davis-right-grabs-the-ball-after-colliding-with-san-antonio-spurs-antonio-mcdyess-during-the-second-half-of-an-nba-basketball-game-thursday-march-31-2011-in.jpeg?w=320 AP When NBA union director Billy Hunter asked for a show of hands in a New York hotel Wednesday it was unanimous. All the guys in the room backed the idea of the union filing a “disclaimer of interest” and taking the fight to the courts (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/14/players-vote-to-reject-offer-disband-union-season-likely-doomed/).
But for some rank and file players who would rather just get back on the court, they don’t feel heard in all this.
Take what Glen Davis (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1383/glen-davis) told the Boston Herald (http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/celtics/index.php/2011/11/14/big-baby-everyone-has-to-stop-sticking-their-chests-out/). The Celtics (well, free agent) forward speaks for others.

“I don’t think I’ve been kept in the loop as far as what’s going on and how things are going on,” he said. “I want to be kept in the loop, but when I say that, they say, well, come to the meetings.
“It’s not just Paul (Pierce, Celtics team rep) making that decision,” said Davis. “It’s also Derek (Fisher) and Billy Hunter. I talk to players, but my friends are guys like Paul and (Kevin Garnett (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/354/kevin-garnett)) – guys who are in a different stage of their careers. I don’t talk to a lot of the guys who are more in my stage, like Carl Landry (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1407/carl-landry) and DeJuan Blair (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1598/dejuan-blair).”
On the other coast, Kings forward DeMarcus Cousins (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1715/demarcus-cousins) was frustrated as well, as are a number of younger players, he told the Sacramento Bee (http://www.sacbee.com/2011/11/15/4054952/kings-cousins-says-hes-frustrated.html#mi_rss=Kings/NBA).

“Some of the young players I talked to, it’s not about the money. We just want to go out there and play ball,” Cousins said. “For me, it’s knocking off time for me to be improving as a player. This whole situation is really not helping out us younger players.”
With 450 members the players union — well, trade association now — is not going to be able to keep everyone happy. Some guys care and seek out the information, others stand back and let others take the lead. Not everyone is going to seek out the information on where things stand.
But remember that while the sentiment in that New York hotel conference room was unanimous, it is not across the full width of the NBA.

This is exactly what I've been thinking lately, I'm sure they're plenty of players that just want to get back on the basketball court. A lot of guys play this game because they love it and not just because of the money. It's a shame that those players won't be able to play and will also lose money as well.

[jeebus]

Both sides can suck Sandusky's dick

[Stalin]

lol 50/50 wasn't good enough
lol ignorant millionaire monkeys > owners that took all the risk to establish a platform for them + 1000's of arena employees + surround businesses

[Giuseppe]

The owners wanted to break the player's rice bowl.

uh, uh.

[Giuseppe]

The players should have no complaints. They can go to Europe to find employment.

lakaluva:::the voice of reason & moderation in troubled times.

[JamStone]

I haven't read a lot about what concessions each side has made and what sticking points are the biggest issues in negotiations. But when I watch the updates on the four letter, the more I blame the players. I'd have to see the actual numbers, but if it's true a lot of teams are losing money, then drastic change may be necessary.

One of my biggest problems is guaranteed contracts and the length up to 7 years. It's stupid. Why not actually earn your salary? A player gets a $100+ million contract for 7 years, it's a good possibilty he's not worth the salary after 2-3 years. That's where I personally feel a lot of teams, especially smaller markets that really have to take huge risks giving out those types of contracts, really lose out. NBA players get paid better than NFL players and overall better than MLB players. They have had the biggest piece of the pie for decades. They may have made more concessions in this negotiations, but it's probably because they should be making more concessions. I doubt very much it's about the players protecting the minimum salary players. I think it's more about the max type players keeping their share as great as possible. But when you're talking about players who already made $100+ million in their careers losing a million or 2 over their careers, I find it hard to have sympathy.

That's of course contingent on the notion that teams and the league really have been losing money.

[DMC]

In all honesty though, Mono, before the players threw the turd into the pool yesterday Media was playing both sides against the middle. Now that there is no longer a dollar & a dime to be made playing both sides they've once again come home to those who butter their bread.
But we can all agree that the media is clogged with cocksuckers anyhow. No one here was under the impression that the media ever did anything in good faith, I hope.

[DMC]

The players should have no complaints. They can go to Europe to find employment.
Euroleague = staaaacked

How many local heros would be shitcanned if some NBA bigs show up?

[Giuseppe]

But we can all agree that the media is clogged with cocksuckers anyhow.

Shoulder-to-Shoulder on this one, D.

[Monostradamus]

That's of course contingent on the notion that teams and the league really have been losing money.

No way in hell the league's losing money. Stern is just using his Jew accountant trickery to fudge that shit, I can guarantee you that.

As far as individual teams losing money, it shouldn't matter. These billionaire owners all made their money in other ventures. This is their toy. You and I and other average Joe's buy a Playstation 3 for fun, billionaires buy an NBA franchise. We don't expect to turn a profit from our recreation activities, and neither should they. Losing more money than you want to? Sell the team to someone else and buy toys you can afford.

[Giuseppe]

...+ it's boilerplated that the NBA owner makes his money when he sells the team.

[Monostradamus]

lol 50/50 wasn't good enough
lol ignorant millionaire monkeys > owners that took all the risk to establish a platform for them + 1000's of arena employees + surround businesses

those ignorant millionare monkeys are the reason everyone ever had a job in the sport. they run everything, as they should. owners don't take a risk for shit. THEY'RE ALREADY BILLIONAIRES.

Let's also not forget that this isn't a strike. IT'S A LOCKOUT. The owners ultimately decided to shut things down, and they are the ones that could reopen for business tomorrow if they wanted to. The players have no say in that regard.

[Giuseppe]

^Me & Mono, Shoulder-to-Shoulder.

[stretch]

From what I see, the owners basically want to be able to piss away all the money they can. Maybe they should stop giving out dumbass Erick Dampier type contracts, instead of whining about how they are losing money.

[Giuseppe]

D, Mono, Stretch & me Shoulder-to-Shoulder.

[Axe Murderer]

D, Mono, Stretch & me Shoulder-to-Shoulder.

bend over, I'll show you Shoulder-to-Shoulder!!!!

[Giuseppe]

Axe!!!! Sweetheart!!!! Pumpkinpuss!!!!

Give old Culburn 2 or 3 words that'll change me life.

[stretch]

bend over, I'll show you Shoulder-to-Shoulder!!!!

:lmao

[LnGrrrR]

Stern has made himself sound like a royal dickface throughout this entire process.

[DMC]

Axe!!!! Sweetheart!!!! Pumpkinpuss!!!!

Give old Culburn 2 or 3 words that'll change me life.
Ovaltine
Geritol
Depends

[LnGrrrR]

lol 50/50 wasn't good enough
lol ignorant millionaire monkeys > owners that took all the risk to establish a platform for them + 1000's of arena employees + surround businesses

Those poor, powerless owners! At the mercy of those thugs and ruffians!

[Giuseppe]

Ovaltine

I've tried it off & on for 50+ years and I still can't get the fucker to actually taste like something.

Fuck, I'm runnin' out of time.

[DMC]

I've tried it off & on for 50+ years and I still can't get the fucker to actually taste like something.

Fuck, I'm runnin' out of time.
Try some vodky with it.

[mavsfan1000]

Fuck Stern. He is the cause of this shit. Of course the small part of the owners he chose to represent also fucked it up but he was the one being an ass about it.

[Giuseppe]

^That small contingent has grown tired of taking it up the ass. I don't blame them. I just don't want my ox getting gored. & in order for them to get straightened out I'm going to have to get busted. No thanks.

[mavs>spurs]

Nomoreringsao!

[TE]

Oh well. Fuck the NBA and for what it's worth.

[DMC]

Nomoreringsao!
I lol'ed

[Barfunk]

Nomoreringsao!


I lol'ed

[LkrFan]

Ovaltine
Geritol
Depends

:lol

[silverblk mystix]

Would you prefer;

#1) No NBA season for a year or two...and then the league returns without Stern---because the owners get fed up with his bullshit...and the courts recognize Stern dealt in bad-faith?

#2) The players take it up the ass now...and we have an NBA season with Stern running everything?


I will gladly wait a year or two to get rid of that cocksmoker.

[Giuseppe]

^I want to see basketball ASAP, just without a hard cap, or, punitive luxury tax. & that's all the players want as well.

Stern can stay and it can still be business as usual.

[DMC]

The NBA is oversight for the franchises like the government is oversight for the banks.

Both allow those under their watch to construct questionable deals that will eventually lead to insolvency, but they expect that they can just squeeze that from the workers and the consumers, so gambling is no longer a gamble for the rich.

Neither are concerned with the consumer, though their lip service says otherwise until the chips are down.

We saw how that worked out recently and who got the shitty end of the stick.

[pass1st]

I'd like to see Nike buy the NBA

[Stalin]

Would you prefer;

#1) No NBA season for a year or two...and then the league returns without Stern---because the owners get fed up with his bullshit...and the courts recognize Stern dealt in bad-faith?

#2) The players take it up the ass now...and we have an NBA season with Stern running everything?


I will gladly wait a year or two to get rid of that cocksmoker.

stern will just get replaced by another faggot

[Killakobe81]

Stern has made himself sound like a royal dickface throughout this entire process.

This he lost touch with them (players) ...last decade

[DMC]

This he lost touch with them (players) ...last decade
Stern has been on such a "NBA for the World" kick in the past 10 years that he's imagined he's above the franchises, the owners and the players. He makes an absurd amount of money for what he does. If franchises are suffering, why is he so fucking well paid?

They should shit can most of the incredibly outlandish fines (500,000 for talking or 100K for mentioning a ref during a press conference). He's set the standard for overpaying for everything, now he wants the player to back down.

I don't know how he can recover from this, even if there is an agreement, he's come across as a pompous prick throughout.

[Baseline]

On the other coast, Kings forward DeMarcus Cousins (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1715/demarcus-cousins) was frustrated as well, as are a number of younger players, he told the Sacramento Bee (http://www.sacbee.com/2011/11/15/4054952/kings-cousins-says-hes-frustrated.html#mi_rss=Kings/NBA).

“Some of the young players I talked to, it’s not about the money. We just want to go out there and play ball,” Cousins said. “For me, it’s knocking off time for me to be improving as a player. This whole situation is really not helping out us younger players.”

Right. So sign the deal and start cashing checks - for playing basketball.

Getting paid millions to play basketball is a tremendously great concept. I'd love to do that myself.

Why these morons are passing up this opportunity is absolutely beyond me. It absolutely defies reality.

[Baseline]

Stern has been on such a "NBA for the World" kick in the past 10 years that he's imagined he's above the franchises, the owners and the players. He makes an absurd amount of money for what he does. If franchises are suffering, why is he so fucking well paid?

They should shit can most of the incredibly outlandish fines (500,000 for talking or 100K for mentioning a ref during a press conference). He's set the standard for overpaying for everything, now he wants the player to back down.

I don't know how he can recover from this, even if there is an agreement, he's come across as a pompous prick throughout.

The only positive thing to come out of this debacle is a quicker exit for Stern. An extremely pompous dude. Ever condescending, ever vainglorious.

Never met a camera he didn't like. I for one will not miss that smug face one iota.

[TheMACHINE]

Kudos to the players for being dumbasses and leaving money on table and not realizing that the courts will not help them.

Kudos idiots!

[resistanze]

Too bad the younger players are too dumb and uneducated to know what's going on.

"I jus wanna play BAWLL...:depressed"

[jag]

owners don't take a risk for shit. THEY'RE ALREADY BILLIONAIRES.


All it takes is one little post to make someone look full-blown retarded.

[Giuseppe]

On the other coast, Kings forward DeMarcus Cousins (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1715/demarcus-cousins) was frustrated as well, as are a number of younger players

At this point it is not a groundswell. If it were Media would be pounding the drums. After the owners & players--Media is the biggest loser since this thing went into the courts.

[pass1st]

If players want more money they can just play better so they can negotiate better contracts. Seems pretty simple

[stretch]

Or owners can stop giving shitty contracts to undeserving players, depriving good players of money they deserve, or the team itself out of money earned. Owners talk about how they are in the negative, conveniently leaving out the fact that many of them are over the cap and paying shitloads of luxury tax. Any who are somehow under the cap and losing money are just fucking idiots that shouldn't own a team to begin with.

[Giuseppe]

^Me & Stretch, Shoulder-to-Shoulder.

[Leetonidas]

those ignorant millionare monkeys are the reason everyone ever had a job in the sport. they run everything, as they should. owners don't take a risk for shit. THEY'RE ALREADY BILLIONAIRES.

Let's also not forget that this isn't a strike. IT'S A LOCKOUT. The owners ultimately decided to shut things down, and they are the ones that could reopen for business tomorrow if they wanted to. The players have no say in that regard.

fwiw, owners who are billionaires in the NBA:

Prokorov -- NJN -- 13.4b
Allen -- POR -- 12.7b
DeVos -- ORL -- 4.3b
Arison -- MIA -- 4.1b
Kroenke -- DEN -- 2.7b
Cuban -- DAL -- 2.5b
Taylor -- MIN -- 2.2b
Heisley -- MEM -- 1.6b
Simon -- IND -- 1.25b

Kinda funny how some of the richest owners own small market teams.

[TheMACHINE]

Or owners can stop giving shitty contracts to undeserving players, depriving good players of money they deserve, or the team itself out of money earned. Owners talk about how they are in the negative, conveniently leaving out the fact that many of them are over the cap and paying shitloads of luxury tax. Any who are somehow under the cap and losing money are just fucking idiots that shouldn't own a team to begin with.

uh...and this is why they are doing "negotiations".

[Giuseppe]

Remember that time when that Calvin Booth guy had a couple moments in a playoff game and during the ensuing off season somebody gave him a ton of money? That was a hoot.

[mavs>spurs]

Yup, Booth signed a 6 year 34 million dollar contract for that. look at warrick, childress, and frye's contracts on the Suns. Remember guys like Jerome James and Eddy Curry? 5 years 30 million and 60 million with an 11 million dollar player option, respectively. Years back the Mavs paid Finley a ton of money to go win championships in SA. With waste like that going on, the owners really have no one but themselves to blame and no room to talk. But it's okay because whenever it does come back I won't watch much anyway. My basketball viewing has steadily decline ever since 06, and even a championship run could only spark my interest for a short while. These days I pretty much only watch the playoffs whenever back in the Reunion Arena days I would watch all 82 games. I hope the greedy fucks lose a lot of money over all this.

[Leetonidas]

Remember when Bobby Simmons played good that one year, got a nice contract and proceeded to suck balls since then? That was also a hoot

[mavs>spurs]

the list can go on and on lol and these fucks are really going to complain whenever they were the retards making all the bad contracts??? gtfo lol

[resistanze]

the list can go on and on lol and these fucks are really going to complain whenever they were the retards making all the bad contracts??? gtfo lol

You mean Turkoglu isn't worth 50 million?

[mavs>spurs]

is big shitty worth 21 million? hahah

[ElNono]

Rememba dat time when a Javaris "felon" Critterton + Kwame Brown was worth a Pau Gasol? That was not hoot, tbh

[Giuseppe]

These toxic contracts became part of the fabric of the NBA. The owners never bitched out loud. The teams never bitched out loud. They would just usher the player aside (Adonal Foyle comes to mind) and business went on per usual.

[Killakobe81]

^Me & Stretch, Shoulder-to-Shoulder.

Me too. Survival of the fittest. You buy a Mcdonald's franchise and the business model fails ...you dont get to go crying to Mcdonald's that the location you chose was poor or the employees that you are hired are shit ...and ask them to change the rules so you can compete with franchises that are in better locations or are run more efficiently.

The screwed the pooch, I have no sympathy for the owners. Not one man on here would just bend over and take a 7% paycut especially if you were the most profitable employee that your company had. I know that is not true for the rank and file.... But I dont blame the players for wanting to make sure that future earnings and player movement is protected. the fact that SOME of the players make millions is irrelevant. The owners created that mess. Luke walton, his boyfriend dick and many other mult-millionaire scrubs were bad business decions period. Im all for limiting the number of years for MLE type players and rookies ... making sure only the stars are getting star money ...but all of the rest is bull-shit. Why should a successful owner have to carry the load for shit franchises that already dillute the talent level? That shit is socialist in spirit, thought this was capitalist society? Luxury taxes is basicaly welfare for the rich ...what kind of bull-shit is that?
Long-term the League needs to contract, re-allocate that talent to teams and cities that are successful.

[Killakobe81]

And dont tell me small market teams cant compete look at the Spurs ...and I know some will say they got "lucky" but the clips have been in the same market as the Lakers and been one of the worst run franchises in ALL of pro sports.

Don't bail out ...dumb business owners ...your dilluting the "gene pool" ...

[Giuseppe]

Rememba dat time when a Javaris "felon" Critterton + Kwame Brown was worth a Pau Gasol? That was not hoot, tbh

I remember the first Sunday after the trade they had the Lakers on ABC and did an interview right afte the game ended with Bryant. He was actually giddy, jumpin' around like Cruise did that time on Oprah when he was nuttin' in the Holmes' girls' poot.

No game face, no set jaw, or dry mouth. Uh, uh. Kobe was actually happy. I never saw him that happy even when Mackey saved his hash at Eagle. He knew that Gasol was the goods. Hell, I had my doubts. The SOB wouldn't get any closer than 18 foot from the rim whenever I saw him in a game, but, he soldiered for us.

[DMC]

fwiw, owners who are billionaires in the NBA:

Prokorov -- NJN -- 13.4b
Allen -- POR -- 12.7b
DeVos -- ORL -- 4.3b
Arison -- MIA -- 4.1b
Kroenke -- DEN -- 2.7b
Cuban -- DAL -- 2.5b
Taylor -- MIN -- 2.2b
Heisley -- MEM -- 1.6b
Simon -- IND -- 1.25b

Kinda funny how some of the richest owners own small market teams.

You look at the top two and you think "they are close in worth" then you think "wait, if I had 10 dollars and some other guy had 800 million, that wouldn't be close"

Actually it's 900 million but what's a 100 million here and there?

When they get to that level, it's sorta pointless to even talk about it.
Prokorov's .4 is Peter Holt x 5.

[DMC]

I don't see how anyone can consider bullshit contracts without thinking Marbury.

[m>s]

if you waste a #1 pick on a gigantic piece of shit and pay him a total of 39m in two years when he did basically nothing but resting his yellow ass, i say you have no one to blame but yourself.

[DMC]

^That shtick is really worn the fuck out. You should find another.

[mavs>spurs]

i think he wore out his "shtick" on your ass boy crofl

[DMC]

i think he wore out his "shtick" on your ass boy crofl

You need to get with your alter egos and get better material.

[mavs>spurs]

chink goods are made with cheap material so it should be fitting for you imho

[DMC]

chink goods are made with cheap material so it should be fitting for you imho
I don't have anything against Asians, so if you're Asian, relax bro. Don't try so hard.

[mavs>spurs]

I'm not the one they call DMChink, sorry senor! maybe you thought i didn't notice the type of fish in those pictures are exclusive to china tbh imho

[DMC]

I'm not the one they call DMChink, sorry senor! maybe you thought i didn't notice the type of fish in those pictures are exclusive to china tbh imho
The chinese redfish are rare species tbh.

[mavs>spurs]

in all cerealness, i haven't been able to go fishing at all in a while and i really need to. i forsee a summer of nonstop fishing after i graduate this year.

[DMC]

in all cerealness, i haven't been able to go fishing at all in a while and i really need to. i forsee a summer of nonstop fishing after i graduate this year.

I wanted to go tonight but high winds kept me home. I plan on going Sunday (today actually) though, winds be damned.

[mavs>spurs]

Why are you here instead of fishing brah

[DMC]

Why are you here instead of fishing brah
My fishing partner backed out. Didn't want to go alone tbh. Weather forecasts are bullshit. It's 25 gusting to 30 on the lake. Not a problem for two, but for one, maneuvering the boat in those winds on a make shift ramp ain't fun and can be costly.

[mavs>spurs]

yeah my buddy was also going to go today (i couldn't go with him, studying and working on a project) but also backed out once he got to the lake and saw how windy it was. We aren't located by eachother are we, the wind is just a coincidence right?

[Stalin]

get a room homos

[Koolaid_Man]

I wanted to go tonight but high winds kept me home. I plan on going Sunday (today actually) though, winds be damned.

Just you and your "homie" and your fish all alone on that boat...:lol a fag is a fag I guess...

[Koolaid_Man]

yeah my buddy was also going to go today (i couldn't go with him, studying and working on a project) but also backed out once he got to the lake and saw how windy it was. We aren't located by eachother are we, the wind is just a coincidence right?


the high winds fuck with good buddy butt sex on the high seas?

[mavs>spurs]

you tell me kayak boy, how's that wind doing for ya?

[Koolaid_Man]

you tell me kayak boy, how's that wind doing for ya?

I conquered the rapids and made it out alive muthafucker...and I don't do fishing with my buddies without inviting Ho's to tag along...

ok sucka :lol

[DMC]

Just you and your "homie" and your fish all alone on that boat...:lol a fag is a fag I guess...
That fag backed out though.

[DMC]

I conquered the rapids and made it out alive muthafucker...and I don't do fishing with my buddies without inviting Ho's to tag along...

ok sucka :lol
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3079/2591840756_7c63203fac_z.jpg
Dis be you an dem?

[DMC]

get a room homos
Ask your parents if we can use your room.

[mavs>spurs]

leave "we" out of this

[Koolaid_Man]

leave "we" out of this

he said it right...:lol he let the cat out the bag...fucking fishing buddies...:lmao

[DMC]

he said it right...:lol he let the cat out the bag...fucking fishing buddies...:lmao
:lmao