A brief list of "Occupy" mayhem

[DarrinS]

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=33490




•Arson
■Occupy Fort Collins – Member arrested, $10 million in damage
■Occupy Portland - Member arrested for throwing Molotov Cocktail
■Occupy Seattle – Suspicious fire at Bank of America 2.7 miles from camp
■Occupy Portland – Three men arrested with homemade grenades

•Assault/Threats
■Occupy SF – 12 assaults in 24 hours
■Occupy LA – 4 assaults including two with knives
■Occupy Philly – Man punches woman in the face
■Occupy LA – Two assaults including setting someone on fire
■Occupy Berkeley – Police respond to three assault calls per night
■Occupy Wall Street – Three men threaten the life of a sexual assault victim
■Occupy Lawrence – Punch thrown
■Occupy Orlando – Knife fight sends man to hospital
■Occupy Portland – Multiple assaults within a 24 hr. period
■Occupy Toledo – Man assaults police officer after arrest
■Occupy San Diego – Woman assaults cameraman
■Occupy Victoria – Man dumps urine on city worker
■Occupy Vancouver – Two police officers bitten during near riot
■Occupy Oakland – Death threats
■Occupy Austin – Man in Joker make-up arrested for brandishing knife
■Occupy Oakland – Man sets his dog on reporter
■Occupy Oakland – Man pulls a knife in camp
■Occupy Wall Street – Photographer assaulted

•Drugs/Dealing
■Occupy Boston – Two drug busts in a week
■Occupy Boston – Another drug arrest
■Occupy Boston – Heroin dealers busted were living with 6 year old boy directly behind welcome tent
■Occupy Portland – First hand account “Drugs. Selling…Heroin. Meth.”
■Occupy Portland – Video of open drug use in the camp
■Occupy Portland – “I get high“

•Fraud
■National Lawyer’s Guild member Ari Douglas pretends to be run over by a police scooter

•Illness/Death
■Occupy Santa Cruz – Ringworm outbreak
■Occupy Atlanta – TB outbreak
■Occupy Wall Street – Zuccotti lung outbreak
■Occupy New Orleans – Man discovered in tent had been dead 2 days
■Occupy Portland – Body lice outbreak

•Murder
■Occupy Oakland – Fatal shooting

•Public disturbance
■Occupy Dallas – Protesters block bank entrance, 23 arrested
■Occupy Vancouver – Mob with bullhorn enters bank
■Occupy Wall Street – Protesters block bank entrance, four arrested
■Occupier takes a bathroom break in the street
■Occupy Vancouver – Occupiers disrupt debate, threaten riot when asked to leave
■Occupy Long Beach – Group disrupts city council meeting
■Occupy Boston – Three arrested for occupying Burger King
■Occupy Oakland – Yelling and nonsense at Burger King
■Occupy DC – Group storms AFP event, traps attendees inside

•Rape/Sexual Assault
■Occupy Philly – Man arrested for alleged rape
■Occupy Wall Street – Two sexual assaults unreported to police
■Occupy Wall Street – Man arrested for sexual assault, suspect in rape
■Occupy Dallas – Sex offender allegedly rapes 14 year old
■Occupy Ottawa – Sexual assaults go unreported to police
■Occupy Lawrence – Sexual assault reported
■Occupy Toronto – Foot sniffer arrested
■Occupy Seattle – Man exposes himself to young girls
■Occupy Portland – Sexual assault
■Occupy Wall Street – Drunk gropes women in Zuccotti Park
■Occupy Cleveland – Rape reported after an overnight stay
■Occupy Glasgow – Possible gang rape
■Occupy Baltimore – Multiple reports of harassment
■Occupy Chicago – Man arrested for child porn
■Occupy LA – Man charged with exposing himself to a child

•Sedition
■Occupy DC – Let’s have a coup by taking over the military
■Ted Rall wants occupiers to choose the path of violence
■Occupy DC – Mike Malloy incites crowd to cheer for President Bush’s execution

•Suicide/Overdose
■Occupy Burlington – Man kills himself with handgun
■Occupy Salt Lake City – Man found dead with syringe in his tent
■Occupy Vancouver – Young woman dies of cocaine and heroine overdose
■Occupy OKC – Young man with history of drug abuse found dead

•Theft
■Occupy Portland – Theft is ongoing
■Occupy Boston – Store owner suffers 4 break-ins since camp began

•Vandalism
■Occupy Eureka – Protesters use local bank as a toilet
■Occupy Portland – Two banks vandalized, promises of more to come
■Occupy Oakland – Bank windows broken, Whole Foods vandalized, broken windows
■Occupy Boston – Banks vandalized with anarchist, OWS graffiti
■Occupy Portland – Spike in vandalism near camp
■Occupy SF: ATMs being smeared with feces
■Occupy Santa Fe: Banks vandalized with OWS-themed graffiti
■Occupy San Diego – Vendors cart vandalized with bodily fluids
■Occupy graffiti found on PA governor’s mansion

[boutons_deux]

right-wing strategy to criminalize all legitimate dissent matches their attempt to criminalize the poor.

Darrin is a shill, or at best a dupe, for the corrupt 1% establishment.

Why have you left out the violent mayhem by the militarized police on unarmed, peaceful dissenters?

[cheguevara]

Lehman, Freddy, Fanny, Banks and 1% Mayhem:
- 7 trillion dollars lost
- thousands of homeless and empoverished american families
- millions of jobs lost

[Agloco]

77 incidents.

Darrin with meaningless, non-contextual posting right on cue.

[DarrinS]

Former Bill Clinton pollster finds that nearly a third of occupy protesters would support violence to advance their agenda.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204479504576637082965745362.html

[Spurminator]

Yelling and nonsense at Burger King

:lmao

[George Gervin's Afro]

Shouldn't this thread be moved to the Club forum?

[cheguevara]

"former bill clinton pollster"

:lmao been out of a job much?

[boutons_deux]

at least it was Dickhead Morris.

[Agloco]

Former Bill Clinton pollster finds that nearly a third of occupy protesters would support violence to advance their agenda.

And another.

Keep em coming Darrin.

[DarrinS]

77 incidents.

Darrin with meaningless, non-contextual posting right on cue.

There have been over 3000 arrests. That's a lot, considering this bowel movement is only a couple of months old.

[Agloco]

There have been over 3000 arrests. That's a lot, considering this bowel movement is only a couple of months old.


Former Bill Clinton pollster finds that nearly a third of occupy protesters would support violence to advance their agenda.

You still lack any semblance of context.

[ChumpDumper]

■Occupy Portland – “I get high“Mayhem!

[MannyIsGod]

There have been over 3000 arrests. That's a lot, considering this bowel movement is only a couple of months old.

Ah, there's such a dearth of critical thinking in this sentence.

[DarrinS]

Mayhem!

Yeah, I would't qualify "I get high" as mayhem either.


But google "tea party" and "arrests" and you get something like four items. The Tea Party is way bigger and has been around a lot longer.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, I would't qualify "I get high" as mayhem either.


But google "tea party" and "arrests" and you get something like four items. The Tea Party is way bigger and has been around a lot longer.When did they stay in one place for two months?

I'd have to say it's pretty stupid to paint with such a broad brush, but that's the organizers' fault for being too democratic. They left themselves open for this.

[DarrinS]

When did they stay in one place for two months?

I'd have to say it's pretty stupid to paint with such a broad brush, but that's the organizers' fault for being too democratic.


They went home like normal people.

[ChumpDumper]

They went home like normal people.There are normal people in the occupy movements as well.

[ElNono]

I didn't know the Occupy movement was so widespread... thanks for pointing that out

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah, in the 60s Darrin would have been saying that Rosa Parks should have just sat in the back of the bus like a normal black.

[MannyIsGod]

Also, in the 60s Darrin would have blamed the Kent State protestors

[Spurminator]

There is no need for Civil Disobedience in Tea Party demonstrations. The Tea Partiers are shills for the people who spend millions of dollars manipulating government policy to favor themselves. Since authority works for them, why battle authority?

The Tea Party is a PR movement.

[DarrinS]

Yeah, in the 60s Darrin would have been saying that Rosa Parks should have just sat in the back of the bus like a normal black.

This didn't take long.

[DarrinS]

Also, in the 60s Darrin would have blamed the Kent State protestors

The 60s were different. That antiwar crowd was principled -- they were antiwar even when the POTUS had a (D.) after his name.


EDIT> And that 60's crowd is now the 1%. :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

True, the tea party just concentrated on an issue that was already part of the advertized platform of the Republican party.

That sure took guts and dedication.

[clambake]

he's just appeasing his master.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Contributing factors could be the homeless/vagrant/crazy types who are present at or wander to the protest sites because that's where they usually live or recreate. Spend enough time overnight at city parks, and you gonna run into some icky people.

[MannyIsGod]

This didn't take long.


The 60s were different. That antiwar crowd was principled -- they were antiwar even when the POTUS had a (D.) after his name.


EDIT> And that 60's crowd is now the 1%. :lmao

You realize that my point was not about race but about civil disobedience, right? (Rhetorical - I know that you don't understand context and just focused on the world black)

Rosa Parks is the 1%? The people at Kent State are the 1%? You think the people protesting in the 60s are the 1%?

You also don't think this the occupy movement is in direct response to Obama failing them and thus just as much against him than anything else?

[DarrinS]

You also don't think this the occupy movement is in direct response to Obama failing them and thus just as much against him than anything else?


I think a majority of them are Obamabots.

[ChumpDumper]

I think a majority of them are Obamabots.What is your proof of this?

[MannyIsGod]

I think a majority of them are Obamabots.

Oh, well then it must be so! :sleep:sleep:sleep:sleep

[Spurminator]

I think a majority of them are Obamabots.

Do you think they sit around all day and shill out partisan talking points without any critical thought whatsoever? That would be my definition of a "bot."

[Cry Havoc]

I think

No, you don't. You never do. In fact, you've proved that you are basically incapable of independent thought and objective analysis.


a majority of them are Obamabots.

Behold the proof.

[MannyIsGod]

I was tempted to swing at that softball.

[DarrinS]

No, you don't. You never do. In fact, you've proved that you are basically incapable of independent thought and objective analysis.



Behold the proof.


"I think" is followed by an opinion.

[DarrinS]

http://www.douglasschoen.com/pdf/Occupy_Wall_Street_Poll_Douglas_Schoen.pdf

There's one party NOT represented here.

3. Party: With which political party do you identify? {Open Ended}

5% Anarchist
1% Constitutionalist
32% Democrat
4% Former/disillusioned Democrat
6% Independent
6% Libertarian
6% Socialist
3% Working Families Party
33% Do not identify with any political party
4% Not sure

[ElNono]

There's one party NOT represented here.

So that makes them Obamabots?

That's a very black and white (or red and blue) world you live in.

[cantthinkofanything]

http://www.douglasschoen.com/pdf/Occupy_Wall_Street_Poll_Douglas_Schoen.pdf

There's one party NOT represented here.

3. Party: With which political party do you identify? {Open Ended}

5% Anarchist
1% Constitutionalist
32% Democrat
4% Former/disillusioned Democrat
6% Independent
6% Libertarian
6% Socialist
3% Working Families Party
33% Do not identify with any political party
4% Not sure

House Party

[ChumpDumper]

http://www.douglasschoen.com/pdf/Occupy_Wall_Street_Poll_Douglas_Schoen.pdf

There's one party NOT represented here.

3. Party: With which political party do you identify? {Open Ended}

5% Anarchist
1% Constitutionalist
32% Democrat
4% Former/disillusioned Democrat
6% Independent
6% Libertarian
6% Socialist
3% Working Families Party
33% Do not identify with any political party
4% Not sureOne poster owned himself here.

[Spurminator]

I didn't realize Obama was running independent from the two major parties.

[Cry Havoc]

http://www.douglasschoen.com/pdf/Occupy_Wall_Street_Poll_Douglas_Schoen.pdf

There's one party NOT represented here.

3. Party: With which political party do you identify? {Open Ended}

5% Anarchist
1% Constitutionalist
32% Democrat
4% Former/disillusioned Democrat
6% Independent
6% Libertarian
6% Socialist
3% Working Families Party
33% Do not identify with any political party
4% Not sure

And if you scroll down in that link...

15. Do you approve or disapprove of the Barrack Obama is performing his job as President?

51% disapprove
27% strongly disapprove
24% somewhat disapprove
5% not sure

Yep. Full of Obamabots.

Furthermore, a grand total of 9% of the OWS crowd as surveyed here strongly approves of the job Obama's done as President.

Again, Darrin, do you actually read what you post? I don't know why I have to keep asking this. It's kind of depressing.

[Cry Havoc]

"I think" is followed by an opinion.

And it's still wrong. Just because it's an opinion does not suddenly make it correct or based in any kind of objective reality. Yours is so distorted that you contradict yourself on a routine basis.

[Spurminator]

Republicans should be out there too, really.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Republicans should be out there too, really.

:lmao
Really?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The 60s were different. That antiwar crowd was principled -- they were antiwar even when the POTUS had a (D.) after his name.


EDIT> And that 60's crowd is now the 1%. :lmao

The Kent State Protesters set fire to the ROTC building which preceded the shootings. You have no context, historical or recent.

[Winehole23]

Yours is so distorted that you contradict yourself on a routine basis.Even better he is routinely pwned by his own supporting material, thus rendering his critics superfluous.


http://my-garden-hammock.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/Hammock-and-palm-trees.jpg

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao

Darrin, doesn't it feel bad that you fucking own yourself SO often? Honest question. Do you not care?

[Agloco]

You have no context, historical or recent.

It's part of his MO no doubt.


I think a majority of them are Obamabots.




15. Do you approve or disapprove of the Barrack Obama is performing his job as President?

51% disapprove
27% strongly disapprove
24% somewhat disapprove
5% not sure

Yep. Full of Obamabots.

lol pwned

[Winehole23]

DarrinS should be back from lunch soon

[LnGrrrR]

So how many crimes is that compared to the normal amount of crimes in those areas?

Oh, and this category right here shows what a biased article this is:


•Sedition
■Occupy DC – Let’s have a coup by taking over the military
■Ted Rall wants occupiers to choose the path of violence
■Occupy DC – Mike Malloy incites crowd to cheer for President Bush’s execution


:lmao :lmao :lmao

Let's pull out some other wildly vicious lines...



Occupy Toronto – Foot sniffer arrested

These guys are homicidal maniacs!


Occupy Oakland – Yelling and nonsense at Burger King

...



Occupy Seattle – Suspicious fire at Bank of America 2.7 miles from camp

That's a long way to walk to set a fire.

[MannyIsGod]

Whats funny is that given the amount of BoAs there was almost certainly one closer than 2.7 miles from the location. :lol

[LnGrrrR]

Former Bill Clinton pollster finds that nearly a third of occupy protesters would support violence to advance their agenda.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204479504576637082965745362.html

How many Republicans would support violence to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapon capability?

[Agloco]

Yep Ln, this was my personal fav:


Occupy Oakland – Yelling and nonsense at Burger King

My kids have SA on lockdown in that case.

[Cry Havoc]

Even better he is routinely pwned by his own supporting material, thus rendering his critics superfluous.

It's pretty awesome. He takes away any work you have to do to shut him down. You just read the articles he links and it gives you the information to quote to completely ruin his claims. :lol :lol

[Cry Havoc]

http://www.observer.com/2011/11/former-philadelphia-police-captain-ray-lewis-joins-with-occupy-wall-street-protesters-video/

MAYHEM!

[Cry Havoc]

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-705266?on.cnn=1

Now I see the mayhem DarrinS is talking about.

[spursncowboys]

Lehman, Freddy, Fanny, Banks and 1% Mayhem:
- 7 trillion dollars lost
- thousands of homeless and empoverished american families
- millions of jobs lost

Are any of those companies have businesses on Wall Street or any of the protesting sites?

[spursncowboys]

Yeah, in the 60s Darrin would have been saying that Rosa Parks should have just sat in the back of the bus like a normal black.
i don't see how you got that connection? Are you inferring that if you are against the OWS debacle, that you were against civil rights for Negros?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-705266?on.cnn=1

Now I see the mayhem DarrinS is talking about.

He posted arrests and not convictions either. He just took a list of arrests and convicted them himself. What will be very telling is how many of the arrests actually result in prosecution much less conviction.

[MannyIsGod]

i don't see how you got that connection? Are you inferring that if you are against the OWS debacle, that you were against civil rights for Negros?

No. What happened to Rosa Parks when she refused to move? I'll give you a hint: It has a lot in common with what has happend to a lot of people in the occupy protests.

Being arrested is one of the things that happens in many non violent civil disobedience movments and acting like arrests somehow signify that a movement is unreasonable or inappropriate is some foolish ignorance. There's a reason its called civil disobedience.

[spursncowboys]

Lol. Someone squatting on public property is not the same as someone being told told to give up her seat because of the color of her skin. That is a far stretch even for tunnel visioned progressives!

[spursncowboys]

No. What happened to Rosa Parks when she refused to move? I'll give you a hint: It has a lot in common with what has happend to a lot of people in the occupy protests.

Being arrested is one of the things that happens in many non violent civil disobedience movments and acting like arrests somehow signify that a movement is unreasonable or inappropriate is some foolish ignorance. There's a reason its called civil disobedience.

Looking past the civil disobedience and far fetched tickets, what is the overall concencus on all the rapes and the groups there who were urging the woman to not go to the cops?

[MannyIsGod]

Rape is bad and anyone who tries to stop a woman from reporting a rape is scum. Do you really think anyone is going to give you a different answer?

[MannyIsGod]

Lol. Someone squatting on public property is not the same as someone being told told to give up her seat because of the color of her skin. That is a far stretch even for tunnel visioned progressives!

I don't think I ever said they were exactly the same, but they definitely are both forms of civil disobedience. You look back now with 40+ years of history so of course what you see now is framed in today's light but that doesn't change the fact that what you consider common sense today was illegal then. That alone should provide you with perspective.

More importantly, what Darrin was doing was dismissing the protests based on arrests and not anything about the protests themselves. If the standard to judge a movement by is whether or not they are arrested, then the Rosa Parks is indeed the same as those who were arrested in this movement seeing as they were both arrested. Its not my criteria and if you have a problem with it take it up with Darrin.

[spursncowboys]

I don't know what Darrin's reasons for posting this. I'm not going to assume. I find these arrest pretty bad but that isn't a dismissal of the "protest". Anybody not having a team to root for would definitely include it in their analysis. 40 years from now, I doubt anybody will remember this. I especially doubt anyone will think of some life altering event like the beginning of the civil rights movement.
My problem is with your demeaning of what Rosa Parks did by putting them in with these clowns. That isl like trying to bunch in homosexuals' lifestyle being normalized with woman and negros not being treated like second class citizens.

[boutons_deux]

The civil rights movement legislation, Medicare, Medicaid, Voting Rights Act, desegregation, etc, etc, in the 1960s were only passed with significant bipartisan support.

bipartisan support now has been completely precluded, oblitereated since the Gingrich Repugs and VRWC hate media began polarizing and dividing the country seriously with wedge issues in the early 1990s.

[Spurminator]

My problem is with your demeaning of what Rosa Parks did by putting them in with these clowns. That isl like trying to bunch in homosexuals' lifestyle being normalized with woman and negros not being treated like second class citizens.

I agree completely, it's totally like that.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Looking past the civil disobedience and far fetched tickets, what is the overall concencus on all the rapes and the groups there who were urging the woman to not go to the cops?

How about Gandhi then and his people's marches into markets and the like?

[boutons_deux]

The 1%, the UCA, Corporate-Americans, the MIC, the Medical IC, the plutocrats take the 99% as targets of wealth to be sucked dry, to be wasted in bullshit wars to expand and mainting the UCA Empire, while they remain above the law.

[ChumpDumper]

Jesus deserved to be crucified after all that moneychanger mayhem.

[Drachen]

Occupy Oakland – Yelling and nonsense at Burger King

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2011-06/62043650-01135643.jpg

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Jesus deserved to be crucified after all that moneychanger mayhem.

This is why I can only laugh at people that support the banking industry and with the same brain think they are followers of Jesus.

[Cry Havoc]

This is why I can only laugh at people that support the banking industry and with the same brain think they are followers of Jesus.

It's sickeningly humorous.

[CosmicCowboy]

So there are obviously a lot of OWS supporters in here.

Tell me.

Whats the end game?

Whats the goal?

[ChumpDumper]

So there are obviously a lot of OWS supporters in here.Who is obviously a supporter of theirs in here?

[MannyIsGod]

This shit again? The end game is obviously financial reform legislation. Jesus fucking Christ can we move past the stupid they're not protesting about anything meme?

[LnGrrrR]

If there was a simple solution to fix income inequality, someone probably would have thought it up by now. Right now, all they need is their rage/passion.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This shit again? The end game is obviously financial reform legislation. Jesus fucking Christ can we move past the stupid they're not protesting about anything meme?

I also think that it comes down to an indictment of the two party system. As much as people like dan and darrin try to make them into democrats its pretty obvious that they are a bunch of people that do not feel represented by either choice.

Whats the avenue to change that? Constitutional amendment? I cannot think of much else seeing how SCOTUS made it clear that congress cannot legislate to curb corporate campaign finance on interpretations of the first and fourteenth amendments. Our single member districts force the situation into a one on one circumstance and those tow are so entrenched in so many ways.

It just saddens me that it looks like things are going to have to get worse for people to fully understand the type of changes this country desperately needs.

[Nbadan]

This shit again? The end game is obviously financial reform legislation. Jesus fucking Christ can we move past the stupid they're not protesting about anything meme?

The end game is much more in-depth than that...

Financial reform legislation, getting rid of the fed, reforming money in politics, especially corporate money, prosecuting the fraudsters who sold bad loans as AAA investments, even creating post-capitalist market structures so workers have more invested in their own businesses and eliminate CEO pay.....

[Cry Havoc]

I also think that it comes down to an indictment of the two party system. As much as people like dan and darrin try to make them into democrats its pretty obvious that they are a bunch of people that do not feel represented by either choice.

Whats the avenue to change that? Constitutional amendment? I cannot think of much else seeing how SCOTUS made it clear that congress cannot legislate to curb corporate campaign finance on interpretations of the first and fourteenth amendments. Our single member districts force the situation into a one on one circumstance and those tow are so entrenched in so many ways.

It just saddens me that it looks like things are going to have to get worse for people to fully understand the type of changes this country desperately needs.

We don't need change! We just need republicans in office! They'll fix everything by giving the banks and wall street all the money and then things will naturally trickle down!

[Winehole23]

I agree completely, it's totally like that.megadittoes

[Winehole23]

:lol

[Winehole23]

Honest question. Do you not care?The regularity is damning. I think Darrin cares. I think he cares a lot. Enough to self destruct, almost every time.

[Wild Cobra]

There have been over 3000 arrests. That's a lot, considering this bowel movement is only a couple of months old.
How many Tea Party protesters were arrested in the first couple months I wonder?

[Winehole23]

ZD6bQ3DQSLA

[Wild Cobra]

And if you scroll down in that link...

15. Do you approve or disapprove of the Barrack Obama is performing his job as President?

51% disapprove
27% strongly disapprove
24% somewhat disapprove
5% not sure

Yep. Full of Obamabots.

Still means that 44% approve.

Seems like to me that's more Obama supporters than the general populous right now.

[Wild Cobra]

I was tempted to swing at that softball.
OK, I'll bite.

Was it called a ball or a strike?

[Wild Cobra]

http://www.douglasschoen.com/pdf/Occupy_Wall_Street_Poll_Douglas_Schoen.pdf

There's one party NOT represented here.

3. Party: With which political party do you identify? {Open Ended}

5% Anarchist
1% Constitutionalist
32% Democrat
4% Former/disillusioned Democrat
6% Independent
6% Libertarian
6% Socialist
3% Working Families Party
33% Do not identify with any political party
4% Not sure
Where's the green party?

[Wild Cobra]

Whats funny is that given the amount of BoAs there was almost certainly one closer than 2.7 miles from the location. :lol
I thought the correct acronym was BOA. Not BoA.

When I see BoA, I think of:

http://www.kpopmusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/BOA-242x300.jpg

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Still means that 44% approve.

Seems like to me that's more Obama supporters than the general populous right now.

You really need to stop guessing and actually start looking. Gallup has it at 43% ie given the degree of error inherent in these things: dead on with the general populace.

[Wild Cobra]

You really need to stop guessing and actually start looking. Gallup has it at 43% ie given the degree of error inherent in these things: dead on with the general populace.
If, and keep in mind, that is IF your information is correct, then I will agree.

[Cry Havoc]

If, and keep in mind, that is IF your information is correct, then I will agree.

Don't let a thing like actual numbers deter you from your own personal bias, WC! Your intuition trumps facts every time! :lol

[Wild Cobra]

Don't let a thing like actual numbers deter you from your own personal bias, WC! Your intuition trumps facts every time! :lol
If my bias is the problem, then why must you (and your bias) have to point it out?

[ChumpDumper]

If my bias is the problem, then why must you (and your bias) have to point it out?He used an actual number, genius. What is biased about that?

[Cry Havoc]

If my bias is the problem, then why must you (and your bias) have to point it out?

DarrinS made the claim. You agreed with it. Neither of you provided any data but resorted to aggressive hyperbole.

I cited numbers and said the numbers pointed to your logic being wrong.

You are so delusional you cannot see a basic chain of events. People who disagree with you are biased and wrong before you even consider their position. And rather than admit you made an error here in haste to condemn the movement, you immediately resort to accusing me of bias. Typical.

[Winehole23]

It's just possible that WC thinks a known bias (say, against whatever WC says) disqualifies everything the speaker says, even things that are evidently true.





(The malign and twisted will that lights on the truth to show up what honorable, patriotic men have said, is little to be trusted and even less encouraged.)

[Agloco]

Still means that 44% approve.

Seems like to me that's more Obama supporters than the general populous right now.

Significantly so?


You really need to stop guessing and actually start looking. Gallup has it at 43% ie given the degree of error inherent in these things: dead on with the general populace.

lol WC

[LnGrrrR]

I just heard today that an Occupier only tipped someone 5% on their breakfast!

MAYHEM!

[Cry Havoc]

http://www.americablog.com/2011/11/omg-cops-pepper-spray-uc-davis-students.html

Disgusting.

[LnGrrrR]

http://www.americablog.com/2011/11/omg-cops-pepper-spray-uc-davis-students.html

Disgusting.

Those people deserved it! You know who uses those streets Cry Havoc? JOB CREATORS. How dare those people try to sit down while the people who run this country are trying to trickle wealth down to them!

Edit: Well, at least they were warned...


UC Davis Police Lt. John Pike warns protesters they may be pepper sprayed if they did not give police a clear path to remove other protesters who had been arrested earlier in the protest. Wayne Tilcock/Enterprise photo

I guess that makes it ok.

[LnGrrrR]

Without any provocation whatsoever, other than the bodies of these students sitting where they were on the ground, with their arms linked, police pepper-sprayed students. Students remained on the ground, now writhing in pain, with their arms linked.

What happened next?

Police used batons to try to push the students apart. Those they could separate, they arrested, kneeling on their bodies and pushing their heads into the ground. Those they could not separate, they pepper-sprayed directly in the face, holding these students as they did so. When students covered their eyes with their clothing, police forced open their mouths and pepper-sprayed down their throats. Several of these students were hospitalized. Others are seriously injured. One of them, forty-five minutes after being pepper-sprayed down his throat, was still coughing up blood.

Waiting for all the assholes to defend this.

[Cry Havoc]

Waiting for all the assholes to defend this.

They would likely defend them if they took a 9mm and put it to their foreheads and pulled the trigger, LnG. They will defend "authority" to the end of the Earth, and besides, they look at the OWS as a waste of humanity. Probably less than human. "They had warning they would be shot, so if they didn't move it's their own fault that they were executed."

[LnGrrrR]

Oh and here's the Chancellor's dumb-bitch response... if she lasts another week I'll be amazed.


However, we also have a responsibility to our entire campus community, including the parents who have entrusted their students to us, to ensure that all can live, learn and work in a safe, secure environment without disruption. We take this responsibility seriously. We are accountable for what occurs on our campus. Campus policies generously support free speech, but do include limited time, place and manner regulations to protect health, safety and the ability of students, staff, and faculty to accomplish the University mission. If an unfortunate incident occurs as a result of violations of these limited regulations, we are all responsible.

We are aware that many of those involved in the recent demonstrations on campus are not members of the UC Davis community. This requires us to be even more vigilant about the safety of our students, faculty and staff. While we have appreciated the peaceful and respectful tone of the demonstrations to date, the current encampment raises serious health, safety and legal concerns, and the resources we require to supervise this encampment cannot be sustained, especially in these very tight economic times. Our resources must support our core mission to educate all of our students.

Yeah, you really seemed to be worried about safety and healthy when you looked on as police pepper sprayed the fuck out of peaceful protesters.

[LnGrrrR]

They would likely defend them if they took a 9mm and put it to their foreheads and pulled the trigger, LnG. They will defend "authority" to the end of the Earth, and besides, they look at the OWS as a waste of humanity. Probably less than human. "They had warning they would be shot, so if they didn't move it's their own fault that they were executed."

You can see at the end of the video that some of the cops are raising their paintball guns too to the crowd. If the cop had shot, he would've hit a few, and a paintball shot at that distance could really fucking hurt.

[Wild Cobra]

http://www.americablog.com/2011/11/omg-cops-pepper-spray-uc-davis-students.html

Disgusting.
Yes, have to move that line of disgusting shit somehow.

Now on the serious side. They are blocking a public walkway. Maybe you are against the pepper spray, but I'll bet no matter how they removed the garbage, you would complain anyway.

[Cry Havoc]

They would likely defend them if they took a 9mm and put it to their foreheads and pulled the trigger, LnG. They will defend "authority" to the end of the Earth, and besides, they look at the OWS as a waste of humanity. Probably less than human. "They had warning they would be shot, so if they didn't move it's their own fault that they were executed."


Yes, have to move that line of disgusting shit somehow.

Now on the serious side. They are blocking a public walkway. Maybe you are against the pepper spray, but I'll bet no matter how they removed the garbage, you would complain anyway.

So predictable. I'd like to say I'm disappointed, but I've come to stop expecting anything resembling the capacity for rational thought.

[Wild Cobra]

So predictable. I'd like to say I'm disappointed, but I've come to stop expecting anything resembling the capacity for rational thought.

And you are credible with that joker of an avatar?

[Cry Havoc]

And you are credible with that joker of an avatar?

Avatar smack. Clever.

[Wild Cobra]

Avatar smack. Clever.
You do personal attacks on me whenever you see fit. I don't do that very often with you, but maybe I should start going to levels you understand.

[Cry Havoc]

You do personal attacks on me whenever you see fit. I don't do that very often with you, but maybe I should start going to levels you understand.

I find it fitting to decry people who call other human beings trash.

[Wild Cobra]

I find it fitting to decry people who call other human beings trash.
When they think they they are better than others, and can take away the free right of movement away from others, then I have no sympathy for them. They are like cockroaches when they cross that line against other peoples freedoms.

[Cry Havoc]

When they think they they are better than others, and can take away the free right of movement away from others, then I have no sympathy for them. They are like cockroaches when they cross that line against other peoples freedoms.

:lmao They have to walk around us! We're restricting their right of movement!

This is why you get insulted. Because you're fucking stupid and you see 100% of what you want to see and 0% of what you don't. And because you refer to other human beings as trash, then bitch and moan when people insult you (to your face) on an internet forum.

[Wild Cobra]

:lmao They have to walk around us! We're restricting their right of movement!

This is why you get insulted. Because you're fucking stupid and you see 100% of what you want to see and 0% of what you don't. And because you refer to other human beings as trash, then bitch and moan when people insult you (to your face) on an internet forum.
I guess you are too miopic to see that line extended for some distance off the sidewalk.

How far into the street or grass must people walk?

[Wild Cobra]

How are people suppose to get around? We see protesters sitting down in a line that extends for unknown distances.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Politics/CockroachSpraying.jpg

[Drachen]

Real question guys, because I kept the window minimized enough so that I usually didn't see name. Has WC always been this bad? I mean it seems like he has gotten much worse lately, but maybe he has always been this way.

[Wild Cobra]

Real question guys, because I kept the window minimized enough so that I usually didn't see name. Has WC always been this bad? I mean it seems like he has gotten much worse lately, but maybe he has always been this way.
If you mean have I always been against those who violate other people's freedoms, then yes.

[Cry Havoc]

http://i.imgur.com/1ZWKs.jpg

[Wild Cobra]

Bigger isn't always better.

May I suggest you make that picture 33% of it's size and edit your posting. I don't like having to scroll horizontal also, but then, maybe you're a cockroach like the fucking cockroach protesters. Loving to interfere with others.

[Drachen]

If you mean have I always been against those who violate other people's freedoms, then yes.

"Those people should not have sat at that lunch counter, they were violating the freedom of others to eat lunch at that counter."

-wc

[Wild Cobra]

"Those people should not have sat at that lunch counter, they were violating the freedom of others to eat lunch at that counter."

-wc
LOL...

You make up bullshit like that, and wonder why I respond to such shit like I do?

Why don't you buy a clue.

[LnGrrrR]

Yes, have to move that line of disgusting shit somehow.

Now on the serious side. They are blocking a public walkway. Maybe you are against the pepper spray, but I'll bet no matter how they removed the garbage, you would complain anyway.

Don't ever call yourself a libertarian again.

[Agloco]

LOL...

You make up bullshit like that, and wonder why I respond to such shit like I do?

Why don't you buy a clue.

The fact that the picture above is an obvious nuisance to you aside, can you show me in what manner those protesters were cutting the police off from their support? Looks like the officer is stepping over the line of people quite easily.

[LnGrrrR]

When they think they they are better than others, and can take away the free right of movement away from others, then I have no sympathy for them. They are like cockroaches when they cross that line against other peoples freedoms.

Freedom of movement? Really? That's what you're going with?

[LnGrrrR]

So let's see...

Violating someone's right to walk where they please is more important than one's right not to be sprayed with pepper. That makes sense.

Where's my right to be free from hearing such stupidity? You're violating my right to not hear stupidity!

[LnGrrrR]

WC, the only libertarian who sides with the authorities 99% of the time.

[rascal]

The 60s were different. That antiwar crowd was principled -- they were antiwar even when the POTUS had a (D.) after his name.


EDIT> And that 60's crowd is now the 1%. :lmao

Where did you learn the word POTUS? Another conservative talk radio listener that repeats what he hears on conservative talk radio with no mind of his own.

[rascal]

"I think" is followed by an opinion.

You are told what and how to think by conservative talk radio.

[LnGrrrR]

WC, you're all about the Constitution, right? Tell me, which of these are SPECIFICALLY PROTECTED by the Constitution?

a) Freedom of assembly

b) Freedom of movement

[Wild Cobra]

Don't ever call yourself a libertarian again.
Why have you become such an ignorant shit?

Until you read this (http://www.lp.org/platform), I suggest you stop talking out your ass.

[Drachen]

LOL...

You make up bullshit like that, and wonder why I respond to such shit like I do?

Why don't you buy a clue.

This is the first time that I have done such a thing. I have tried to give you the benefit of the doubt over and over again, but more than any other poster on this board (and I am including yoni, darrin, boutons, and nbadan in this statement) you have fallen deep down the rabbit hole. It is ridiculous.


can take away the free right of movement away from others, then I have no sympathy for them. They are like cockroaches when they cross that line against other peoples freedoms.

The sit ins at the counter take away the right of movement of others wanting to use that counter space... Using your own words here, those people are cockroaches and you have no sympathy for them.

[Wild Cobra]

WC, you're all about the Constitution, right? Tell me, which of these are SPECIFICALLY PROTECTED by the Constitution?

a) Freedom of assembly

b) Freedom of movement
So...

What are the enforcers of law suppose to do when they impede the "b) Freedom of movement" of others?

[LnGrrrR]

Why have you become such an ignorant shit?

Until you read this (http://www.lp.org/platform), I suggest you stop talking out your ass.

WC, I dare you to find TWO libertarians who agree with this. Go ahead, look at all your libertarian blogs and find me TWO that support what happened here. I bet you can't find them.

And "ignorant shit"? Did you even fucking WATCH the video? I know you didn't from your responses... now that's ignorance.

[LnGrrrR]

So...

What are the enforcers of law suppose to do when they impede the "b) Freedom of movement" of others?

You tell me WC. Does anything go? Would just putting a bullet in their legs have been ok? After all, it would've moved them out of the way right?

[rascal]

Lol. Someone squatting on public property is not the same as someone being told told to give up her seat because of the color of her skin. That is a far stretch even for tunnel visioned progressives!

Not a far stretch at all if you knew anything about living in some areas in the south in the 1960s.

[LnGrrrR]

What's funny is, what did the police think they accomplished? There will most likely be 2x the amt of people showing up next weekend, and if they use violence, 4x as many the next weekend.

But I guess in WC's world, joining a sit-in protest or a picket line immediately volunteers oneself for pepper spraying, baton beatings and other police brutality.

[Wild Cobra]

Throughout all the text that acknowledges individual rights, the Libertarian Platform also specifically states:

Only actions that infringe on the rights of others can properly be termed crimes.

[Wild Cobra]

What's funny is, what did the police think they accomplished? There will most likely be 2x the amt of people showing up next weekend, and if they use violence, 4x as many the next weekend.

But I guess in WC's world, joining a sit-in protest or a picket line immediately volunteers oneself for pepper spraying, baton beatings and other police brutality.
Then let them break out more cockroach spray.

[LnGrrrR]

Throughout all the text that acknowledges individual rights, the Libertarian Platform also specifically states:

I'm pretty sure blasting people with pepper spray infringes on their rights to peaceably assemble.

In fact, I'm pretty sure people wanting to move through that crowd infringes on their right to peaceably assemble, doesn't it? The Constitution doesn't limit where assemblies can be held if it's public property. Sure, there are laws and ordinances, but are those Constitutionally protected?

I'd say that the right to peaceably assemble has more Constitutional backing the right to freedom of movement.

[LnGrrrR]

Then let them break out more cockroach spray.

You're fucking disgusting WC. Tell me, what do you know of these people that makes them cockroaches? Who's the fucking biased one now? There's professors, teachers, mothers, fathers, daughters and sons in that crowd. And yet, you choose to call them the cockroaches, instead of the policemen who sprayed them without even first trying to remove them physically. You're a real piece of work.

[Wild Cobra]

You're fucking disgusting WC. Tell me, what do you know of these people that makes them cockroaches?
I know they are interfering with the rights of others. They seem to think they are above the rights of others. Just like a cockroach, they are unwanted. Like it or not, the Bill of Rights has realistic limitations.

[LnGrrrR]

I know they are interfering with the rights of others. They seem to think they are above the rights of others. Just like a cockroach, they are unwanted. Like it or not, the Bill of Rights has realistic limitations.

What about their right to peaceably assemble? That's protected by the Constitution, is it not? Where are the rights to walk wherever you please outlined in the Constitution?

And who cares if they're unwanted? What the fuck does that matter?

[Wild Cobra]

What about their right to peaceably assemble? That's protected by the Constitution, is it not? Where are the rights to walk wherever you please outlined in the Constitution?

And who cares if they're unwanted? What the fuck does that matter?

They have broken the "peace" when they infringe on other people's rights.

[LnGrrrR]

They have broken the "peace" when they infringe on other people's rights.

The people who are assembling, by logical deduction, are having their rights broken first.

The people's freedom of movement, by logical deduction, can not be blocked until people have already started to assemble.

Therefore, by logical deduction, the people have assembled peacefully before people's right to movement has been offended.

Therefore, by logical deduction, the assemblers are the ones to have their rights infringed upon first.

[Wild Cobra]

The people who are assembling, by logical deduction, are having their rights broken first.

The people's freedom of movement, by logical deduction, can not be blocked until people have already started to assemble.

Therefore, by logical deduction, the people have assembled peacefully before people's right to movement has been offended.

Therefore, by logical deduction, the assemblers are the ones to have their rights infringed upon first.

We disagree. Sidewalks are for walking. Not for building human fences on.

[LnGrrrR]

We disagree. Sidewalks are for walking. Not for building human fences on.

Does the Constitution say anything about sidewalks WC?

[Cry Havoc]

We disagree. Sidewalks are for walking. Not for building human fences on.

Parks are for walking too. Can't exercise freedom of speech there, either. Can't do it in buildings, parks, sidewalks, or areas of commerce. Obviously can't do it in a field where anything is being grown or cattle are grazing.

Yep. That pretty much spells it out. No protesting. Not allowed.

[LnGrrrR]

Good point Cry. WC, what public areas are specifically designed for assembling?

[Wild Cobra]

Good point Cry. WC, what public areas are specifically designed for assembling?
I see you two will try any angle to allow some people to violate the free movement of others. Wow... just how bull headed can you get?

I suppose there was no way they could protest without blocking public access, right?

Don't you see, they had clear intent of fucking with other innocent people. How you can defend this scum, is beyond me.

[Cry Havoc]

I see you two will try any angle to allow some people to violate the free movement of others. Wow... just how bull headed can you get?

I suppose there was no way they could protest without blocking public access, right?

Don't you see, they had clear intent of fucking with other innocent people. How you can defend this scum, is beyond me.

Can you name a place that they can protest without being arrested and pepper sprayed for obstructing commerce or blocking a thoroughfare? By all means, name one.

[Wild Cobra]

Can you name a place that they can protest without being arrested and pepper sprayed for obstructing commerce or blocking a thoroughfare? By all means, name one.
Waterfront park, Portland, OR.

[Cry Havoc]

Waterfront park, Portland, OR.

It's a park. Other people want to use the park. Protesters in the park would be blocking the rights of other people to use the park for their own desires. Therefore, illegal, infringing, pepper spray and arrest them.

These are the exact same words you've posted to the forum ad-nauseam ad-infinitum.

[Wild Cobra]

It's a park. Other people want to use the park. Protesters in the park would be blocking the rights of other people to use the park for their own desires. Therefore, illegal, infringing, pepper spray and arrest them.

These are the exact same words you've posted to the forum ad-nauseam ad-infinitum.
Hey, you asked me to name one. I did.

[Winehole23]

How else is an unruly mob of disreputable malcontents to be dealt with? Mediation?

[Cry Havoc]

Can you name a place that they can protest without being arrested and pepper sprayed for obstructing commerce or blocking a thoroughfare? By all means, name one.


Hey, you asked me to name one. I did.

Reading is fundamental. Thanks for admitting that you effectively support abrogating the first amendment.

[Winehole23]

The PDs do negotiate, but apparently have reserved the right to draw hard, arbitrary lines.

[Wild Cobra]

Can you name a place that they can protest without being arrested and pepper sprayed for obstructing commerce or blocking a thoroughfare? By all means, name one. Reading is fundamental. Thanks for admitting that you effectively support abrogating the first amendment.
Is that what you mean? "obstruction," or "blocking?"

Are you suggesting that illegal activity is peaceful?

[Cry Havoc]

Is that what you mean? "obstruction," or "blocking?"

Are you suggesting that illegal activity is peaceful?

Are you suggesting that a group of people gathered together in one location is illicit activity by the nature of the fact that they are a group?

[LnGrrrR]

Are you suggesting that illegal activity is peaceful?

Are you suggesting illegal activity is inherently volent?

[Winehole23]

In the civil disobedience situation, there are going to be arrests. The challenge for PDs is to maintain order without losing the PR war.

[Wild Cobra]

Are you suggesting that a group of people gathered together in one location is illicit activity by the nature of the fact that they are a group?
When they interfere with day to day activities of other free citizens, then hell yes.

You and LNG must be anarchists.

[Wild Cobra]

In the civil disobedience situation, there are going to be arrests. The challenge for PDs is to maintain order without losing the PR war.
This is true, and when they have probably hundreds of people with cell phone video cameras trying to catch a view that they can spin, they have to be extra careful. I think the fact that there are so few instances shown, is testimony that they are doing rather well.

I have to wonder, how much footage these people take that they delete, because it shows the protesters initiating the violence.

[Cry Havoc]

When they interfere with day to day activities of other free citizens, then hell yes.

You and LNG must be anarchists.

In that case, every single member of the tea party movement who protested in DC should have been arrested. They completely DESTROYED the commute that day. I couldn't even get downtown because of how crushed the metro was, to say nothing of the fact that I tried to go to a museum and had to walk 10 minutes out of my way to avoid the swarms.

Nice to know you supported the arrests of the Tea Partiers, WC. Surprising that you would term them "trash" or "scum", but I'll forego your admittance here in order to admire your consistency. :tu

[Wild Cobra]

Are you suggesting illegal activity is inherently volent?
Spin... spin... spin... again LNG...

Between any two points, are areas in between. You do realize that, don't you?

When I use the term "peaceful" in saying they are not, it is a reflection to the 1st amendment. Maybe you are firmiliar with these words:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
They are not peaceably assembling. They are causing implications on other people's lives.

[Winehole23]

I have to wonder, how much footage these people take that they delete, because it shows the protesters initiating the violence.The footage I've seen seems otherwise, but I've hardly been glued to it. What you been watchin?

[Wild Cobra]

The footage I've seen seems otherwise, but I've hardly been glued to it. What you been watchin?
I sat and watched some of the live streaming occupy footage on the internet some days back. Amazing how they would cut the feed when the occupiers started getting less than peaceful.

[Winehole23]

No footage of the provocations? How insidious.

[Wild Cobra]

No footage of the provocations? How insidious.
Where did I say there was no footage?

[Winehole23]

you said feeds were cut

[Wild Cobra]

you said feeds were cut
I see...

You think the live feeds are the only footage out there. I'm beginning to understand you now.

[Winehole23]

oh well then share. what you been watchin?

[Winehole23]

you obviously got a strong opinion about it

[Wild Cobra]

oh well then share. what you been watchin?
I haven't gone to the link for several days. It is in one of the occupy threads. You can find it as easily as I can. You can go to any one of several listed cities, and watch the live feed.

[Winehole23]

you were evidently PO'ed about the insufficient video coverage of outrageous manifestations against LE

[Winehole23]

but that's ok, i'll just take your word for it

[Wild Cobra]

you were evidently PO'ed about the insufficient video coverage of outrageous manifestations against LE
If I'm PO'd about anything in this manner, it's that people here are too sympathetic to slimeballs. Reminds me of one of the first threads here I participated in, regarding the Jenna Six.

[Winehole23]

too sympathetic to slimeballswho please?

[Wild Cobra]

who please?
The protesters who cannot remain peaceful.

[Winehole23]

gotcha. lawbreakers.

[Winehole23]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77077&highlight=Jena

[Winehole23]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129797&highlight=Jena

[Winehole23]

Jena six

[Wild Cobra]

Jena six
Do you not think they were slimeballs?

[Cry Havoc]

Can you name a place that they can protest without being arrested and pepper sprayed for obstructing commerce or blocking a thoroughfare? By all means, name one.

[Winehole23]

Do you not think they were slimeballs?I'm trying to see the relevance to this thread. Can you point it out for me?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Do you not think they were slimeballs?

I think you're an idiot. Wine had actually been somewhat trying to defend you earlier. I started reading that shit and had to stop at lassoes and pranks.

[Winehole23]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1999081&postcount=219

[Winehole23]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1999217&postcount=230

[Wild Cobra]

I'm trying to see the relevance to this thread. Can you point it out for me?
That people here were defending those slimeballs, and are defending the anarchist arm of the OWS movement.

Granted, the severity of their sliminess is different, but a slimeball is a slimeball, and people here were defending them, and making excuses for their actions.

[Drachen]

wow winehole, you answered my question. WC has been a horrible human puppet the whole time. This is not an anomaly.

[LnGrrrR]

When they interfere with day to day activities of other free citizens, then hell yes.

You and LNG must be anarchists.

The police interfered with their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to peaceably assemble. Is this or is this not correct?

[LnGrrrR]

Spin... spin... spin... again LNG...

Between any two points, are areas in between. You do realize that, don't you?

When I use the term "peaceful" in saying they are not, it is a reflection to the 1st amendment. Maybe you are firmiliar with these words:

They are not peaceably assembling. They are causing implications on other people's lives.

Really? :lmao

You are surely the worst libertarian in existence. Don't you think that the people trying to walk through them, and the subsequent pepper spray, caused implications in the lives of the protesters?

[LnGrrrR]

WC's definition of peace involves doing whatever the police say you can do.

[LnGrrrR]

Oh, and I'm still waiting for some other "libertarian" people you follow who feel the same way you do WC. Surely you can find at least two?

[Cry Havoc]

UC Davis Chancellor Deems Use of Pepper Spray "Unacceptable"

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/20/us/california-occupy-pepperspray/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

(CNN) -- Under pressure to resign, the chancellor of the University of California, Davis, established a task force Saturday to look into an incident where a police officer sprayed seated protesters with pepper spray at point blank range.
Linda Katehi told CNN's Don Lemon that she considered the police action on Friday "unacceptable," but stressed she has no plans to step down.
"We really want to look into this very carefully and take action ... make sure that it will never happen again on our campus," she said.
Katehi said the task force made of faculty, students and staff will review the events and provide a report within 90 days.


"This report will help inform our policies and processes within the university administration and the Police Department to help us avoid similar outcomes in the future," she said.
One of the protesters hit by the spray told CNN's Lemon that she was still feeling some after-effects Saturday evening.
"I was shocked," said Sophia Kamran. "When students are sitting on the ground and no way of moving to be violent, being totally peaceful, I don't understand the use of pepper spray against them."
Occupy roundup: A fallout, a silent protest and a new encampment
A campus police officer, in a sweeping motion, sprayed protesters point blank on Friday before other officers moved in.
Eleven people were treated on site for effects of the yellow spray. Two of them were sent to the hospital, university officials said.
The incident set off a flood of comments on the school's Facebook page, most of them critical of police and the administration.
In response, Katehi first released a statement, then held a news conference Saturday.
"Yesterday was not a day that would make anyone on our campus proud," Katehi said in her statement.
At the news conference, she called the use of pepper spray "chilling."
"The use of pepper spray as shown on the video is chilling to us all and raises many questions about how best to handle situations like this," she said.
But Katehi refused calls from faculty members and others for her to step down, saying she did not violate campus policies.

The Davis Faculty Association, citing incidents at other campuses, demanded "that the chancellors of the University of California cease using police violence to repress nonviolent political protests."

It called for greater attention to cuts in state funding to education and rising tuition. Its board demanded Katehi resign, saying she exhibited "gross failure of leadership."

Saturday evening, as Katehi left campus, dozens of students sat cross-legged and with their arms linked in a silent protest.
A reporter asked Katehi, "Do you still feel threatened by the students?"
"No," she replied. "No."
Time: Watch video of police pepper-spraying and arresting students
UC Davis spokeswoman Claudia Morain told CNN that 25 tents were in place Friday afternoon -- despite fliers explaining the campus prohibits overnight camping. It does so for security and health reasons, Katehi said.
After written and verbal warnings, officers reminded the protesters they would be subject to arrest if they did not move their tents from the quad, Morain said. Many protesters did decide to remove their tents and equipment, officials said.
A group of about a dozen protesters sat on a path with their arms interlocked as police moved in to remove additional tents. Most of the protesters had their heads down.
At one point, protesters encircled the officers and blocked them from leaving, Morain said.
Cut off from backup, the officers determined the situation was not safe and asked people several times to make room, Morain said. One officer used pepper spray when a couple of protesters and some of the 200 bystanders moved in, she added.
A use of force review will "determine whether we made all the right decisions and handled it the way we should have handled it," Annette Spicuzza, chief of campus police, told reporters.

Critics took issue with the college's account, saying the seated protesters did not pose a threat to the officers.
"Without any provocation whatsoever, other than the bodies of these students sitting where they were on the ground, with their arms linked, police pepper-sprayed students" wrote Nathan Brown, an assistant professor in the college's English Department, in an open letter to the chancellor.
He said that police then used batons to separate the students, kneeled on their bodies and pushed their heads to the ground.

"When students covered their eyes with their clothing, police forced open their mouths and pepper-sprayed down their throats," Brown wrote.
He called on Katehi to resign.
"I call for your resignation because you are unfit to do your job. You are unfit to ensure the safety of students at UC Davis. In fact: you are the primary threat to the safety of students at UC Davis."

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Even the person WC is trying to agree with and defend disagrees with him. :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Wild Cobra]

The police interfered with their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to peaceably assemble. Is this or is this not correct?
Not correct, because they were not peaceful.

[ChumpDumper]

Not correct, because they were not peaceful.How were they violent?

[Wild Cobra]

How were they violent?
Who said they were violent? I said they were not peaceable:


Definition of PEACEABLE
1
a : disposed to peace : not contentious or quarrelsome b : quietly behaved
2
: free from strife or disorder

[ChumpDumper]

Who said they were violent? I said they were not peaceable:Oh, so they were no danger to anyone.

Thanks.

[Cry Havoc]

Can you name a place that they can protest without being arrested and pepper sprayed for obstructing commerce or blocking a thoroughfare? By all means, name one.

[Cry Havoc]

Bump. Waiting for an answer to the question of where it's legal to practice the first amendment.

[ChumpDumper]

Definition of PEACEABLE
1
a : disposed to peace : not contentious or quarrelsome b : quietly behaved
2
: free from strife or disorder I have to say after looking at a few videos, these protesters were indeed quite peaceable.

And the police were blocking the sidewalk with a fucking squad car. The cops were contentious, quarrelsome, neither quiet nor behaved, full of strife and fomenting disorder.

lol freedom of movement.

[scott]

How are people suppose to get around? We see protesters sitting down in a line that extends for unknown distances.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Politics/CockroachSpraying.jpg

Unknown distances! The line of people sitting down could very well extend around the entire planet for all we know!

[ChumpDumper]

How are people suppose to get around?Somehow the cops made it to the other side of the line without dying.

[Drachen]

Unknown distances! The line of people sitting down could very well extend around the entire planet for all we know!



Now you are just putting stupid words into my mouth. I'd assume that these cockroaches couldn't extend quite so far as they would fall off the edge of the planet.

[spursncowboys]

At what point does it go from being a "protest" to being a sqatting? This could change alot of precedent.

[ElNono]

At what point does it go from being a "protest" to being mayhem? This could change alot of precedent.

[Agloco]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/20/occupy-university-california-davis-police


Two University of California, Davis police officers involved in pepper spraying seated protesters are being placed on administrative leave as the chancellor of the school accelerates the investigation into the incident.

Chancellor Linda Katehi said she has been inundated with reaction over the incident, in which an officer dispassionately fired pepper spray on a line of sitting demonstrators.

[LnGrrrR]

Not correct, because they were not peaceful.
Not obeying the police makes one non-peaceful now?

[LnGrrrR]

Remember, cops spraying people with pepper spray = peaceful

Disobeying cops = not peaceful

[ElNono]

Unknown distances! The line of people sitting down could very well extend around the entire planet for all we know!

:lmao

[Trainwreck2100]

were those people students? cause if not go on and pepper spray them.

[Cry Havoc]

were those people students? cause if not go on and pepper spray them.

Some of them were, others were not. Why is it acceptable to pepper spray other civilians but not students?

Either way, there were a large number of students at that protest.

[Trainwreck2100]

Some of them were, others were not. Why is it acceptable to pepper spray other civilians but not students?

Either way, there were a large number of students at that protest.

if they aren't students then they are trespassing, so spray em and move on.

[Wild Cobra]

Remember, cops spraying people with pepper spray = peaceful

Disobeying cops = not peaceful


Not obeying the police makes one non-peaceful now?
Spin spin spin LNG...

[ChumpDumper]

My God, no one could possibly get through that line--especially the police on either side of it!

[Sense]

Wild Cobra is the best troll on this site... hands down.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I had to walk on the grass because some anarchists blocked a perfectly fine sidewalk. It added a whole .9 seconds to my commute.

[LnGrrrR]

Wild Cobra is the best troll on this site... hands down.

I hope he's a troll, but sadly, I think there are people who really think this way.

[LnGrrrR]

What makes them non-peaceful then WC?

[Cry Havoc]

Wild Cobra is the best troll on this site... hands down.

He only started trolling after being embarrassed in this forum so many times. His logic doesn't hold water, so now he resorts to hyperbole and snide remarks.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Wild Cobra is the best troll on this site... hands down.

he's not trolling

[Trainwreck2100]

I had to walk on the grass because some anarchists blocked a perfectly fine sidewalk. It added a whole .9 seconds to my commute.

What about the landscapers that have to care for that grass

[scott]

What about the landscapers that have to care for that grass

The Occupiers are Job Creators then?

[boutons_deux]

Some have their mouths forced open by officers who shoot the chemical into their throats.

http://www.truthdig.com/images/eartothegrounduploads/ucdavisbbb.png

http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/uc_davis_cop_pepper-sprays_peaceful_protesters_20111119/

[DarrinS]

Open wide

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/411593/LIZ-NICHOLS-OCCUPY-PORTLAND-PEPPER-SPRAY.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

Necessary!

[Oh, Gee!!]

I need a video. it's possible that the picture is photoshopped, or that she was spraying the officers with dangerous chemical from a nozzle located on her face, or that she had information about possible terror plots that required enhanced techniques to be used by the officer.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Between 1980 and 2005, 80% of all new income created in this country went to the top 1%.

WC is just a plain idiot.

[cantthinkofanything]

I need a video. it's possible that the picture is photoshopped, or that she was spraying the officers with dangerous chemical from a nozzle located on her face, or that she had information about possible terror plots that required enhanced techniques to be used by the officer.

I'm pretty sure that's water. Occam's razor. She was just thirsty.

[cantthinkofanything]

Open wide

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/411593/LIZ-NICHOLS-OCCUPY-PORTLAND-PEPPER-SPRAY.jpg

TBH, who hasn't wanted to do this to their nagging wife at some point in time.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I'm pretty sure that's water. Occam's razor. She was just thirsty.

Hey officer, I'm thirsty.

Lemme spray you with my seltzer bottle.

Thanks!

[Cry Havoc]

Can you name a place that they can protest without being arrested and pepper sprayed for obstructing commerce or blocking a thoroughfare? By all means, name one.

[Drachen]

cry, in a place where no one will notice. I.e. Their mind

[spursncowboys]

Between 1980 and 2005, 80% of all new income created in this country went to the top 1%.

WC is just a plain idiot.

link. I don't really understand what that means exactly (new income) and how that was created.

The top 1% pays more taxes than the bottom 95%
http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/24944.html

[Wild Cobra]

Between 1980 and 2005, 80% of all new income created in this country went to the top 1%.

WC is just a plain idiot.
Pretty big words coming from a braindead idiot.

[Cry Havoc]

Pretty big words coming from a braindead idiot.

:lmao

Got smacked down so many times in this forum that he has to resort to trolling.

:lmao

[Wild Cobra]

:lmao

Got smacked down so many times in this forum that he has to resort to trolling.

:lmao
I don't care you you see it. You're just another person here who acts like the first grade bullies in grade school.

[Cry Havoc]

I don't care you you see it. You're just another person here who acts like the first grade bullies in grade school.

And like a first grader, you are presented with statistically valid evidence and respond with, "NUH UH. I'M RIGHT. LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU." Then you move goalposts or change topics.

Now, much like someone in grade school, you resort to petty comments and general misanthropy, as if someone took your favorite toy away from you. And now you've fully arrived, one step away from "yo momma" jokes.

Maybe if even 50% of what you spout on this forum had ANY basis in reality, people who bludgeon you with logic and fundamentally sound premises wouldn't seem like such bullies. Such as it is, though. Poor baby. His feelings have been hurt cause his arguments rarely (if ever) hold water.

[RandomGuy]

Also, in the 60s Darrin would have blamed the Kent State protestors

"they ran out in front of the bullets"

[RandomGuy]

link. I don't really understand what that means exactly (new income) and how that was created.

The top 1% pays more taxes than the bottom 95%
http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/24944.html

Eeesh. Talk about not realizing how it all fits together.

New income means income gains in the aggregate.

$1Tr income in year 1
$1.1Tr income in year 2

New income = 1.1 - 1 = $0.1tr

The funny thing about your little sniglet is that if you hold tax rates steady, and the only people who see gains in their income are the 1% or .1%, then over time they will proportionally pay more and more income taxes.

Since tax rates have been flat or even falling, then your own link proves the statement regarding who has been making most of the gains in income.

[LnGrrrR]

This is why using violence on non-violent protesters doesn't work...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/11/22/national/a011220S80.DTL




Students have again put up tents near the site where University (http://www.sfgate.com/education-guide/) of California, Davis police used pepper spray on seated protesters in a conflict that has sparked outrage and calls for the school chancellor's resignation.



Are the police just keep going to pepper spray them? Then they'll come back again, in greater and greater numbers.

[LnGrrrR]

Can you name a place that they can protest without being arrested and pepper sprayed for obstructing commerce or blocking a thoroughfare? By all means, name one.

WC, I think you forgot to answer this question.

[boutons_deux]

The goons need to up their weapons to tasers, kill a few at-risk protesters. Pepper spray is for pussies.

The Taser mfr swears tasers are non-lethal, and that's why 500+ tasered victims have died.

[MannyIsGod]

Why do you guys still engage WC? I can't think of a single time he's had a rational thought on pretty much any subject. Asking him questions and then expecting anything other than a ridiculous answer is, well, ridiculous.

[DarrinS]

Between 1980 and 2005, 80% of all new income created in this country went to the top 1%.


Why is this surprising? Who creates "new income"?

[boutons_deux]

Fox News Host Dismisses Pepper Spray Attack By Cops: ‘It’s A Food Product, Essentially’

While Kelly suggests the pepper spray was somehow diluted, Lt. John Pike actually sprayed the sitting students in the face with military-grade pepper spray three times.

http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/11/22/374237/fox-news-host-dismisses-pepper-spray-attack-by-cops-its-essentially-a-food-product-right/

[DarrinS]

While I think the pepper spraying at UC Davis was excessive, it is not the Kent State incident that some on the left have been pining for.

[Winehole23]

Why do you guys still engage WC? I can't think of a single time he's had a rational thought on pretty much any subject. Asking him questions and then expecting anything other than a ridiculous answer is, well, ridiculous.Even a blind squirrel sometimes gets the nut.

WC has had ( I should say: I have seen him have) lucid moments. Not commonly, but not never IMHO.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why is this surprising? Who creates "new income"?

Not them apparently. In order for it to 'trickle down' they have to not keep it. Plus thats a figure of individual and not firms. They paid themselves.

You really are still trying to sell supply side?

[Winehole23]

While I think the pepper spraying at UC Davis was excessive, it is not the Kent State incident that some on the left have been pining for.You clearly failed to stir up any passion from your own considerable reserves of fake outrage, instead mouthing the word excessive, as you drove by.

Impressive.