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Winehole23
11-28-2011, 10:19 AM
It’s true that, over the years, government in its many forms has tried to claim that you lose your free speech rights when you, for example, work for a public school (http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/comm/free_speech/tinker.html), or join the military (http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/04/16/military-personnel-have-free-speech-rights/). In dealing with school administrators who sought to silence a teacher for complaining publicly that not enough money was being spent on academics versus athletics, or generals who wanted to stop enlisted men and women from blogging, the courts have found that any loss of rights must be limited and specific. As Jim Webb wrote (http://writ.news.findlaw.com/commentary/20030619_falvy.html) when still Secretary of the Navy, “A citizen does not give up his First Amendment right to free speech when he puts on a military uniform, with small exceptions.”


Free speech is considered so basic that the courts have been wary of imposing any limits at all. The famous warning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theater) by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes about not falsely shouting “Fire!” in a crowded theater shows just how extreme a situation must be for the Supreme Court to limit speech. As Holmes put it in his definition: “The question in every case is whether the words used… are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent.” That’s a high bar indeed.

Does a newspaper article from November 2009, a few hundred well-reasoned words that appeared (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704402404574525581723576284.html) in the conservative Wall Street Journal, concluding with these mild sentences, meet Justice Holmes’s high mark?


“Double standards don’t play well in Peoria. They won’t play well in Peshawar or Palembang either. We need to work to change the negative perceptions that exist about Guantanamo and our commitment to the law. Formally establishing a legal double standard will only reinforce them.”


Morris Davis got fired from his research job at the Library of Congress for writing that article and a similar letter to the editor (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/10/AR2009111017461.html) of the Washington Post. (The irony of being fired for exercising free speech while employed at Thomas Jefferson’s library evidently escaped his bosses.) With the help of the ACLU, Davis demanded his job back. On January 8, 2010, the ACLU filed (http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/davis-v-billington) a lawsuit against the Library of Congress on his behalf. In March 2011 a federal court ruled (http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/court-rules-aclu-lawsuit-behalf-former-gitmo-prosecutor-fired-library-congress-can-move-) that the suit could go forward.


The case is being heard this month (http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/appeals_court_hears_case_of_ex-gitmo_prosecutor_fired_by_library_of_congres/). Someday, it will likely define the free speech rights of federal employees and so determine the quality of people who will make up our government. We citizens vote for the big names, but it’s the millions of lower-ranked, unelected federal employees who decide by their actions how the laws are carried out (or ignored) and the Constitution upheld (or disregarded).


Morris Davis is not some dour civil servant. Prior to joining the Library of Congress, he spent more than 25 years as an Air Force colonel. He was, in fact, the chief military prosecutor at Guantánamo and showed enormous courage in October 2007 when he resigned (http://thinkprogress.org/security/2007/12/10/18199/morris-gitmo-haynes/) from that position and left the Air Force. Davis had stated he would not use evidence obtained through torture back in 2005. When a torture advocate was named his boss in 2007, Davis quit rather than face the inevitable order to reverse his position.


In December 2008, Davis went to work as a researcher at the Library of Congress in the Foreign Affairs, Defense and Trade Division. None of his work was related to Guantanamo. He was not a spokesperson for, or a public face of, the library. He was respected at work. Even the people who fired him do not contest that he did his “day job” as a researcher well.


On November 12, 2009, the day after his op-ed and letter appeared, Davis was told by his boss (http://www.truth-out.org/former-guantanamo-chief-prosecutor-pair-testicles-fell-president-after-election-day/1320935259) that the pieces had caused the library concern over his “poor judgment and suitability to serve… not consistent with ‘acceptable service’” — as the letter of admonishment he received put the matter. It referred only to his op-ed and Washington Post letter, and said nothing about his work performance as a researcher. One week later, Davis was fired.
http://www.salon.com/2011/11/28/inside_the_attack_on_the_first_amendment/

Winehole23
11-28-2011, 10:19 AM
Morris Davis was fired by the Library of Congress not because of his work performance, but because he wrote that Wall Street Journal op-ed on his own time, using his own computer, as a private citizen, never mentioning his (unrelated) federal job. The government just did not like what he wrote. Perhaps his bosses were embarrassed by his words, or felt offended by them. Certainly, in the present atmosphere in Washington, they felt they had an open path to stopping their own employee from saying what he did, or at least for punishing him for doing so.ibid

boutons_deux
11-28-2011, 10:35 AM
Looks like the career officer, afaics, violated his chain of command.

Did he first take his grievances to his manager?

Any tea baggers gonna demonstrate for this guy losing his "freedoms" they claim to be so desparately missing?

Winehole23
11-28-2011, 10:44 AM
why don't you make yourself useful and go gag on your breakfast?

boutons_deux
11-28-2011, 11:13 AM
GFY, gag on your own dick

Winehole23
11-28-2011, 11:21 AM
No, thanks.

Winehole23
11-28-2011, 11:23 AM
Please get lost. Your contributions are unneeded and unappreciated.

boutons_deux
11-28-2011, 11:26 AM
gfy

boutons_deux
11-28-2011, 11:27 AM
so did the good Colonel takes his grievances to the library mgmt or not?

Winehole23
11-28-2011, 11:28 AM
lol boutons sticking up for management. true colors.,

TeyshaBlue
11-28-2011, 11:54 AM
While it looks like Davis had an axe to grind perhaps, it's still legal to grind axes.
Bitch move by the LOC of all institutions.

boutons_deux
11-28-2011, 12:20 PM
lol boutons sticking up for management. true colors.,

I'm not sticking up for mgmt, asshole.

I'm asking a simple, direct, critical question.

If he went FIRST public, I don't support what he did.

If he went FIRST to his mgmt, then public, I support what he did.

Of all people, a fucking career military man ought to know something about the chain of command. Or perhaps, like many military who think the military is the supreme human achievement, he holds civilians and their organizations is complete disdain, so he felt no need to take his grievance inside.

Winehole23
11-28-2011, 12:24 PM
he was fired from the library of congress, brainiac. try reading next time.

boutons_deux
11-28-2011, 12:54 PM
I know he was fired.

I'm not addressing the firing, but how he handled his grievances.

Winehole23
11-28-2011, 12:57 PM
boutons continues to toe the company line, implicitly disparaging the 1st amendment rights of private citizens on their own time.

true colors indeed.

Winehole23
11-28-2011, 01:02 PM
dp

Stringer_Bell
11-28-2011, 01:37 PM
I know he was fired.

I'm not addressing the firing, but how he handled his grievances.

Hey there, WC!

TeyshaBlue
11-28-2011, 01:38 PM
Hey there, WC!

:lol

boutons_deux
11-28-2011, 02:19 PM
So you can't answer the question, GFY

TeyshaBlue
11-28-2011, 02:25 PM
So you can't answer the question, GFY

Let's try this again, dumbfuck.

"Morris Davis was fired by the Library of Congress not because of his work performance, but because he wrote that Wall Street Journal op-ed on his own time, using his own computer, as a private citizen, never mentioning his (unrelated) federal job. The government just did not like what he wrote."

He was fired...as in removed from his job....kinda past the point of filing grievances with his manager.:rolleyes

boutons_deux
11-28-2011, 02:37 PM
I repeat

"so did the good Colonel takes his grievances to the library mgmt or not?"

that he went public on his own time doesn't say whether he first went private to LOC.

ElNono
11-28-2011, 02:41 PM
I repeat

"so did the good Colonel takes his grievances to the library mgmt or not?"

that he went public on his own time doesn't say whether he first went private to LOC.

What grievances would those be? What he wrote on the op-ed had nothing to do with his service at the library.

It's no different than your boss firing you because of what you post here about Lybia. What grievances would you seek with your boss when it has nothing to do with your job?

TeyshaBlue
11-28-2011, 02:43 PM
botons had not read the OP yet, apparently.

Wild Cobra
11-28-2011, 05:07 PM
Let's try this again, dumbfuck.

"Morris Davis was fired by the Library of Congress not because of his work performance, but because he wrote that Wall Street Journal op-ed on his own time, using his own computer, as a private citizen, never mentioning his (unrelated) federal job. The government just did not like what he wrote."

He was fired...as in removed from his job....kinda past the point of filing grievances with his manager.:rolleyes
Yes, this looks very wrong. I wonder if that's the whole story, or if there is more too it.

Winehole23
11-28-2011, 05:10 PM
former Gitmo prosecutor who resigned

Winehole23
11-28-2011, 05:11 PM
have you caught up yet, WC? we're still on page one.

Spurminator
11-28-2011, 05:11 PM
I repeat

"so did the good Colonel takes his grievances to the library mgmt or not?"

that he went public on his own time doesn't say whether he first went private to LOC.


You have a point, I always clear my posts on this forum with my CEO before posting.

clambake
11-28-2011, 05:16 PM
"We already saw your post before edit"

"we need to see you in our office, wc"