The judgement is in: Asus Transformer: Tablet of the Year 2011

[hater]

http://recombu.com/news/asus-eeepad-transformer-judged-product-of-the-year-2011_M15913.html

not much to say here just a great product beating out an overhyped overpriced product.

Beating stiff competition from Apple, the Asus EeePad Transformer Honeycomb tablet has been judged Product of The Year at the 2011 Trusted Reviews Awards Powered by Duracell.

in other news:
Samsung was victorious elsewhere, winning Mobile Phone of the Year for the Samsung Galaxy S2, triumphing against the Apple iPhone 4S and Orange San Francisco.

:lmao

[lefty]

Whatever dude


People dont lineup to by a S2

Iphone : popular
Samsung: iphone wannabe; no huge lineups; not popular



:lol

Hater :lol

[hater]

Whatever dude


People dont lineup to by a S2

Iphone : popular
Samsung: iphone wannabe; no huge lineups; not popular



:lol

Hater :lol

:lol paying top cash for a runner up product built by child slaves :lol

[lefty]

:lol paying top cash for a runner up product built by child slaves :lol
Runner up? :lmao

[hater]

Runner up? :lmao




Beating stiff competition from Apple, the Asus EeePad Transformer Honeycomb tablet has been judged Product of The Year at the 2011 Trusted Reviews Awards Powered by Duracell.


Samsung was victorious elsewhere, winning Mobile Phone of the Year for the Samsung Galaxy S2, triumphing against the Apple iPhone 4S and Orange San Francisco.



runner up :lol

[lefty]

ok

whatever helps you sleep at night

[TheMACHINE]

populor doesnt mean better. Just because a bunch of girls want to buy a white iphone cuz its pretty doesnt mean its a better product. lol

[hater]

Well put. Apple Ipad is the Justin Beaver of the Tablet Market. 13 year old girls and girly men are willing to wait in line for a glimpse of it.

[lefty]

You ugly sexless fandroids

iDevice owners are cool and good-looking and have tons of sex

[TheMACHINE]

Lol

[leemajors]

:lol paying top cash for a runner up product built by child slaves :lol

like every other tablet or computer part!

[hater]

like every other tablet or computer part!

haven't heard of children killing themselves while working on building Samsungs tbh

[leemajors]

haven't heard of children killing themselves while working on building Samsungs tbh

lol thinking only apple uses foxconn

[leemajors]

Foxconn makes consumer electronics for a number of well-known companies, including:
Acer Inc. (Taiwan)
Amazon.com (United States)[16]
In 2011, Amazon and Foxconn formed a joint-design manufacturing company. The move was meant to produce an Amazon branded smartphone sometime in 2012.[17]
Apple Inc. (United States)[18]
ASRock (Taiwan)
Barnes & Noble (United States)
Intel (United States)
Cisco (United States)
Hewlett-Packard (United States)[19]
Dell (United States)
Nintendo (Japan)
Nokia (Finland)[18]
Microsoft (United States)
MSI (Taiwan)
Motorola (United States)
Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden)[20]
Vizio (United States)

[hater]

keep spinning fanboy:

In July 2009, an employee at Foxconn factory that makes Apple iPhones killed himself after his house was raided and he was allegedly beaten up following the disappearance of an iPhone prototype. The dead worker, Sun Danyong, 25, was responsible for sending iPhone prototypes to Apple. After he reported to his bosses that he was missing a unit early last week his apartment was then raided, and he was beaten and imprisoned by security guards, his friends told the Southern Metropolis Daily. Three days after reporting the missing iPhone Sun jumped from the 12th floor of his apartment building. [Source: Alexandra Topping The Guardian, July 22, 2009]

Jill Tan, an Apple spokeswoman in Hong Kong, issued a brief statement about the incident. “We are saddened by the tragic loss of this young employee...We require our suppliers to treat all workers with dignity and respect.” Sun, like other employees dealing with Apple's new products, was under huge pressure to maintain a high-level of secrecy over the gadgets. The launches of new Apple products produce huge anticipation and excitement in fans and the media and the technology giant is constantly targeted by journalists, fans and its competitors who want to uncover its secrets.

:lol blaming the media for the slave's suicide

http://factsanddetails.com/china.php?itemid=1887&catid=9&subcatid=61

[hater]

Apple's shady tactics, covert operations and thug enforcement is what killed the poor soul

[lefty]

Foxconn makes consumer electronics for a number of well-known companies, including:
Acer Inc. (Taiwan)
Amazon.com (United States)[16]
In 2011, Amazon and Foxconn formed a joint-design manufacturing company. The move was meant to produce an Amazon branded smartphone sometime in 2012.[17]
Apple Inc. (United States)[18]
ASRock (Taiwan)
Barnes & Noble (United States)
Intel (United States)
Cisco (United States)
Hewlett-Packard (United States)[19]
Dell (United States)
Nintendo (Japan)
Nokia (Finland)[18]
Microsoft (United States)
MSI (Taiwan)
Motorola (United States)
Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden)[20]
Vizio (United States)
Damn

[Cry Havoc]

Saw the Transformer on sale, thought about picking it up, but ehhhh, I have a Nook Color. Not as good, but I'll be waiting until the tablets make the next leap forward before jumping on board.

[stretch]

People dont lineup to by a S2

on the contrary, in fucking Oklahoma city, there was a line of about 20-30 people before AT&T opened up, for people wanting the Skyrocket. I was pretty suprised.

[lefty]

on the contrary, in fucking Oklahoma city, there was a line of about 20-30 people before AT&T opened up, for people wanting the Skyrocket. I was pretty suprised.
yeah but people in OKC are ugly and uncool

[stretch]

and im NOT saying that they are more popular than iPhones, because they arent. just that they are definitely growing in popularity. not to mention the fact that apple releases only ONE type of phone, while there are a large number of very nice Android phones that are comparable to the GS2 made by several makers. the story could be very different if there was only one android phone, made by only one company.

[stretch]

yeah but people in OKC are ugly and uncool

point is, if there was a line in a shithole like OKC, there were probably lines in plenty of more developed areas.

[lefty]

point is, if there was a line in a shithole like OKC, there were probably lines in plenty of more developed areas.
Naah I'm just trolling

Samsung is great :tu

At the end of the day, it comes down to personal preferences

[DJ Mbenga]

http://images.intomobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/iPhone-BlackBerry-Android-csection-660x933.jpg

[Creepn]

Yup, not surprised. The transformer is a pretty nice tablet/netbook. Will definitely get the Transformer Prime with all that quad core stuff. Looking forward to it.

[TheMACHINE]

awesome toon. lol

[DMC]

You ugly sexless fandroids

iDevice owners are cool and good-looking and have tons of sex
So they have sex with fat people?

[PM5K]

At the end of the day all of these companies make these devices to make money, and Apple makes the most money.

[Nathan Explosion]

http://recombu.com/news/asus-eeepad-transformer-judged-product-of-the-year-2011_M15913.html

not much to say here just a great product beating out an overhyped overpriced product.

Yep, Asus showed that Galaxy Tab who's boss.

[Cry Havoc]

Yup, not surprised. The transformer is a pretty nice tablet/netbook. Will definitely get the Transformer Prime with all that quad core stuff. Looking forward to it.

Even then, I'm not convinced that's the step forward I need to see before making the jump to a full tablet.

Although I've considered buying a dumbphone in the near future to replace my Evo and getting a tableted internet plan instead.

[Creepn]

Even then, I'm not convinced that's the step forward I need to see before making the jump to a full tablet.

Although I've considered buying a dumbphone in the near future to replace my Evo and getting a tableted internet plan instead.

I'm convinced. The tablet/laptop will basically do everything you would do with a regular laptop ie movies, music, internet, word processing and data entry with the exception of intense gaming. If not, the app store will most likely have a program that would suit you. The tablet is just as fast as well. I would just have to buy a memory stick and external harddrive and I'll be good. What more do you need that would convince you?

[Cry Havoc]

I'm convinced. The tablet/laptop will basically do everything you would do with a regular laptop ie movies, music, internet, word processing and data entry with the exception of intense gaming. If not, the app store will most likely have a program that would suit you. The tablet is just as fast as well. I would just have to buy a memory stick and external harddrive and I'll be good. What more do you need that would convince you?

I mean that functionally a tablet isn't that different from my netbook/laptop that I have now (which can play almost any game on the market). Yes, the tablet is light, but for sheer portability, nothing beats a cell phone, and when I really need power, I have the 11" Alienware. So the tablet is kind of a between system right now that I don't think I could find a real use for. It's not different enough from a phone, and not powerful enough to compare to an actual laptop for the present.

I do expect that to change in the future, however, in the here and now, I personally can't find a need for a tablet. I don't know what the change will be that finally sells me on one, but I have a feeling I'll know it when I see it.

[lefty]

I mean that functionally a tablet isn't that different from my netbook/laptop that I have now (which can play almost any game on the market). Yes, the tablet is light, but for sheer portability, nothing beats a cell phone, and when I really need power, I have the 11" Alienware. So the tablet is kind of a between system right now that I don't think I could find a real use for. It's not different enough from a phone, and not powerful enough to compare to an actual laptop for the present.

I do expect that to change in the future, however, in the here and now, I personally can't find a need for a tablet. I don't know what the change will be that finally sells me on one, but I have a feeling I'll know it when I see it.
Ditto

[cheguevara]

after a few months with the Transformer I almost got my money's worth already. Use it for email, browsing, news daily. Yes you can use your phone for this too, but you can also have a 15" monitor instead of a 27". it's all about size and comfort.

other 3 features I love: keyboard dock. It's so clumsy to write an email without a physical keyboard, the dock also re-charges the tablet :tu . Full HDMI mirroring, you can watch movies, browse, play games on your 50" from the comfort of your couch. And last, it comes with Splashtop which allows you to remote control your PC via WiFi with native resolutions. basically you not only have a tablet, you have your entire PC :tu

[Creepn]

I mean that functionally a tablet isn't that different from my netbook/laptop that I have now (which can play almost any game on the market). Yes, the tablet is light, but for sheer portability, nothing beats a cell phone, and when I really need power, I have the 11" Alienware. So the tablet is kind of a between system right now that I don't think I could find a real use for. It's not different enough from a phone, and not powerful enough to compare to an actual laptop for the present.

I do expect that to change in the future, however, in the here and now, I personally can't find a need for a tablet. I don't know what the change will be that finally sells me on one, but I have a feeling I'll know it when I see it.

Ah I see. If I were in your shoes, I wouldn't bother with a tablet then. Currently, I'm in the market for a non-gaming laptop and think the transformer will do enough to suit my needs.

[leemajors]

after a few months with the Transformer I almost got my money's worth already. Use it for email, browsing, news daily. Yes you can use your phone for this too, but you can also have a 15" monitor instead of a 27". it's all about size and comfort.

other 3 features I love: keyboard dock. It's so clumsy to write an email without a physical keyboard, the dock also re-charges the tablet :tu . Full HDMI mirroring, you can watch movies, browse, play games on your 50" from the comfort of your couch. And last, it comes with Splashtop which allows you to remote control your PC via WiFi with native resolutions. basically you not only have a tablet, you have your entire PC :tu

does the dock need to be charged or just plugged in?

[cheguevara]

either way. Dock has same battery as the device.

[leemajors]

ahh ok, i was thinking maybe the dock could function as an extra battery

[Drachen]

ahh ok, i was thinking maybe the dock could function as an extra battery

from a review of the original transformer. I think that this is what you are looking for.


Battery life for the tablet is listed as a 24.4-watt-hour lithium-polymer, rated for 9.5 hours of use. There's a battery slice tucked into the keyboard dock, too, which ramps up battery life to a massive 16 hours on paper, anyway

http://www.androidcentral.com/asus-eeepad-transformer-review

[cheguevara]

ahh ok, i was thinking maybe the dock could function as an extra battery

it does.

My tablet gets 5 hours of use with battery, with dock 10 hours of life.

[leemajors]

from a review of the original transformer. I think that this is what you are looking for.



http://www.androidcentral.com/asus-eeepad-transformer-review

ty, i thought it might work like one of those Juice Packs from mophie for the iPhone. still a neat idea.

[cheguevara]

ty, i thought it might work like one of those Juice Packs from mophie for the iPhone. still a neat idea.

if you mean the tablet will recharge its own battery from the dock battery. Yes it does work like that.

in reality I get around 5 hours from tablet + 5 from dock to 10 hours of use. pretty good IMO

[leemajors]

Use your tablets/smartphones/laptops/netbooks at your sperm's peril:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45469130/ns/health-mens_health/#.TtWUt2PNm-X

[Heath Ledger]

runner up ya buddy if umm having like 70 plus percent of the tablet market is being a runner up i'll take it. There isnt a single tablet that has sold even 10 percent of the number as Apples Ipads. And theres a reason that overpriced piece of whatever you call it is a superior product. Period. Sans the camera.

[Creepn]

Reason is because of marketing. I've seen the Ipad plastered all over the TV, I have yet to see a Transfomer advertised on tv. I found out about the quad core here on Spurstalk.

If your shit, no matter how lame it is gets a tv commercial, it WILL sell. Look at the Snuggy.

[ElNono]

In this day and age, claiming superiority merely on marketing prowess is retarded. It's not like people don't know about Android.

There are other factors too. IIRC, the selection of actual apps specific to android tablets is pretty poor compared to the iPad.

[resistanze]

Having used a bunch of tablets I'd probably agree the iPad is still the one to beat. Eve though I think Gingerbread > iOS for smartphones it's clear iOS >> Honeycomb for tablets.

But lol @ bringing up market share to superior product. I bet most people who use Apple will never say Mac OS is shit because it continues to have a 10% NA market share and a <5% worldwide market share.

[Heath Ledger]

It doesn't matter how good the marketing is, it's not like there aren't a shitload of people giving product reviews of the product online, if the product truly was a turd Apple could not hide it with the power of the internet people are more informed than ever in regards to consumer products. There are a shitload of Ipad Vs. Xoom, Galaxy Tab etc reviews on Youtube. Nobody has even put a dent in sales of the Ipad. The only tablet i see having a chance because of price point and distribution is the Kindle Fire but it still pales in comparison. Im not saying this shit blindly I bought a Galaxy Tab 10.1 and looked for reasons to keep it so I could have one Android to go with the Ipad 2 and it was a huge step backwards. After three days I took that shiny turd back.

[TheMACHINE]

Having used a bunch of tablets I'd probably agree the iPad is still the one to beat. Eve though I think Gingerbread > iOS for smartphones it's clear iOS >> Honeycomb for tablets.

But lol @ bringing up market share to superior product. I bet most people who use Apple will never say Mac OS is shit because it continues to have a 10% NA market share and a <5% worldwide market share.


It doesn't matter how good the marketing is, it's not like there aren't a shitload of people giving product reviews of the product online, if the product truly was a turd Apple could not hide it with the power of the internet people are more informed than ever in regards to consumer products. There are a shitload of Ipad Vs. Xoom, Galaxy Tab etc reviews on Youtube. Nobody has even put a dent in sales of the Ipad. The only tablet i see having a chance because of price point and distribution is the Kindle Fire but it still pales in comparison. Im not saying this shit blindly I bought a Galaxy Tab 10.1 and looked for reasons to keep it so I could have one Android to go with the Ipad 2 and it was a huge step backwards. After three days I took that shiny turd back.

So have both of you guys tried the Asus EeePad Transformer? Cuz It doesnt sound like Heath did. How bout you Resistanze?

[leemajors]

Personally I don't think the Transformer is really competition for the iPad. I think it would be an excellent lightweight work machine that could easily replace a laptop, while the iPad (to me) is much more of an entertainment machine. You can buy a keyboard case/dock for it, but it wasn't designed with that in mind.

[lefty]

Tablets are a fad anyway

[Drachen]

Personally I don't think the Transformer is really competition for the iPad. I think it would be an excellent lightweight work machine that could easily replace a laptop, while the iPad (to me) is much more of an entertainment machine. You can buy a keyboard case/dock for it, but it wasn't designed with that in mind.

That's the thing.... ANY tablet is an entertainment machine, but the TF adds the lightwork capabilities. (I have to say that the ASUS Supernote app is all that I could have ever desired in an app for in class note taking)

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/24/supernote-lets-you-take-some-pretty-super-notes-on-your-asus-tab/

[TheMACHINE]

Personally I don't think the Transformer is really competition for the iPad. I think it would be an excellent lightweight work machine that could easily replace a laptop, while the iPad (to me) is much more of an entertainment machine. You can buy a keyboard case/dock for it, but it wasn't designed with that in mind.

I dont get it Lee...i can do everything an Ipad2 can do in terms of entertainment.

Its simple...people who really arnt techies will buy the product all thier friends think is cool...and thats why apple sales are high. Eventually, word will come out that there are actually better items out there....its just gonna take a while.

[cheguevara]

wow the misinformation

the Transformer can do everything the Ipad can do plus more.

the main difference is the Apps. itunes appstore is just a tad bit better in quality apps. But tbh, I was going through it on a friends ipad last week and Android market has really caught up to it. The advantage is almost non existent today. So again, that BS that Ipad is more entertainment machine is pure BS

[leemajors]

I dont get it Lee...i can do everything an Ipad2 can do in terms of entertainment.

Its simple...people who really arnt techies will buy the product all thier friends think is cool...and thats why apple sales are high. Eventually, word will come out that there are actually better items out there....its just gonna take a while.

You may be able to, but the iPad just does what it does very, very well and it is extremely easy to use. 2 years is a long time, and nothing has come close to it yet. I personally have no use for a tablet - I work at home, and my iPhone is plenty to get by with when I am not around my PC. But if I did get one it would be an iPad - I wouldn't really have to worry about anything but maybe buying some of the bunk "HD" editions of some games optimized for the larger screen, and all my videos are already in m4v. And a lot of people have iPhones already, so it is pretty tempting to just go with an iPad.

[leemajors]

wow the misinformation

the Transformer can do everything the Ipad can do plus more.

the main difference is the Apps. itunes appstore is just a tad bit better in quality apps. But tbh, I was going through it on a friends ipad last week and Android market has really caught up to it. The advantage is almost non existent today. So again, that BS that Ipad is more entertainment machine is pure BS

You completely misunderstood what I said.

[cheguevara]

You may be able to, but the iPad just does what it does very, very well and it is extremely easy to use. 2 years is a long time, and nothing has come close to it yet. I personally have no use for a tablet - I work at home, and my iPhone is plenty to get by with when I am not around my PC. But if I did get one it would be an iPad - I wouldn't really have to worry about anything but maybe buying some of the bunk "HD" editions of some games optimized for the larger screen, and all my videos are already in m4v. And a lot of people have iPhones already, so it is pretty tempting to just go with an iPad.

you should try the transformer. plug in your HDMI to your big screen TV and you can do EVERYTHING on your big screen. it's all out of the box. like you say you don't have to worry about anything.

[cheguevara]

You completely misunderstood what I said.

well what is the "entertainment advantage" you claim the ipad has then?

[leemajors]

well what is the "entertainment advantage" you claim the ipad has then?

iTunes ecosystem (if you purchase content), games. I meant I was not saying there is anything the iPad can do that an Android tablet can't.

[cheguevara]

iTunes ecosystem (if you purchase content), games.

you can purchase music, movies and games from Android Market.

wanna try again?

[leemajors]

you can purchase music, movies and games from Android Market.

wanna try again?

I don't think anyone would try to argue that iTunes is by far the biggest online multimedia retailer. I don't have to try again?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

populor doesnt mean better. Just because a bunch of girls want to buy a white iphone cuz its pretty doesnt mean its a better product. lol

From the guy that bought the gimmicky TV l:loll

[cheguevara]

I don't think anyone would try to argue that iTunes is by far the biggest online multimedia retailer. I don't have to try again?

I already had conceded that. Again difference is not much and won't be much as time goes by.

I respect your decision but I do not accept the statement "ipad is more of an entertainment machine than Transformer"

it depends where you decide to get your content. You could still purchase a movie from itunes and watch it on Transformer if you really wanted to.

[leemajors]

I already had conceded that. Again difference is not much and won't be much as time goes by.

I respect your decision but I do not accept the statement "ipad is more of an entertainment machine than Transformer"

it depends where you decide to get your content. You could still purchase from itunes and watch on Transformer if you really wanted to.

I believe I said I saw it as more of an entertainment machine than the Transformer, not that it was absolutely. It certainly is marketed more as one from what I have seen. I think it would be a mistake for Asus to market the Tranformer the same way since the dock gives it so many more possibilities.

[cheguevara]

disagree. A tablet is a tablet. The Asus is a tablet that "transforms" into a laptop thus it has an advantage over other tablets.

if you think the transformer is not going for Apple's market, you need to open your eyes.

and I agree with the many ppl here that say Apple Ipad is #1 mostly due to marketing. It really is not "far superior" than it's competitors.

[leemajors]

disagree. A tablet is a tablet. The Asus is a tablet that "transforms" into a laptop thus it has an advantage over other tablets.

if you think the transformer is not going for Apple's market, you need to open your eyes.

and I agree with the many ppl here that say Apple Ipad is #1 mostly due to marketing. It really is not "far superior" than it's competitors.

I think ElNono debunked that fairly thoroughly.

[cheguevara]

btw the Transformer prime is coming out in 7 days. Can we just say it obliterates the Ipad2:
http://zapp5.staticworld.net/images/article/2011/11/comparison-chart-5234435.gif

[leemajors]

btw the Transformer prime is coming out in 7 days. Can we just say it obliterates the Ipad2:
http://zapp5.staticworld.net/images/article/2011/11/comparison-chart-5234435.gif

Since it doesn't have 3G, can you use one of those USB dongles with it?

Edit: Looks like you can't, which kinda sucks.

[resistanze]

So have both of you guys tried the Asus EeePad Transformer? Cuz It doesnt sound like Heath did. How bout you Resistanze?

I have indeed tried it, it's a neat little machine. My issue with Android tablets at this time has to do with the OS. It's not horrible but it's obvious it's still at the beginning stages. I expect when ICS comes out with Prime and more tablet specific/optimizaed apps come out I'll like it as much as I do Android for smartphones. Hell I might even spoil myself with a Transformer Prime this christmas.

[cheguevara]

Since it doesn't have 3G, can you use one of those USB dongles with it?

Edit: Looks like you can't, which kinda sucks.

I think so. Micro usb on tablet and full USB on dock.

[leemajors]

I think so. Micro usb on tablet and full USB on dock.

I doubt Android has drivers that would let it work.

[cheguevara]

I doubt Android has drivers that would let it work.

google is your friend:
If you purchase the Transformer with its keyboard dock, you will see there are some USB ports there and you are maybe wondering if you can using your 3G USB to connect to the Internet. I’ve tried a solution on XDA and the answer is Yes, you can.

http://techwalls.com/gadget/3g-usb-asus-transformer/

[leemajors]

google is your friend:
If you purchase the Transformer with its keyboard dock, you will see there are some USB ports there and you are maybe wondering if you can using your 3G USB to connect to the Internet. I’ve tried a solution on XDA and the answer is Yes, you can.

http://techwalls.com/gadget/3g-usb-asus-transformer/

those comments are interesting. still sucks you have to root it to do so.

[ElNono]

btw the Transformer prime is coming out in 7 days. Can we just say it obliterates the Ipad2:
http://zapp5.staticworld.net/images/article/2011/11/comparison-chart-5234435.gif

Hardware-wise, probably. The Asus Transformer hardware wasn't bad to start with. But the hardware isn't fixing the software.

[TheMACHINE]

From the guy that bought the gimmicky TV l:loll

Point me to another 70 inch LED TV.

[hater]

Hardware-wise, probably. The Asus Transformer hardware wasn't bad to start with. But the hardware isn't fixing the software.

:lol Typical Apple fan. Android ain't broken bro. Although it might not be as fluid as IOS yet. go try a galaxy tab and see if the "software needs fixin" Plus this thing is coming with ICS :rolleyes

[Drachen]

I doubt Android has drivers that would let it work.

You'd be surprised, there are drivers for a mouse built within.

[Drachen]

Point me to another 70 inch LED TV.

LOL, the OTHER TV you were looking at.

[leemajors]

:lol Typical Apple fan. Android ain't broken bro. Although it might not be as fluid as IOS yet. go try a galaxy tab and see if the "software needs fixin" Plus this thing is coming with ICS :rolleyes

He develops apps for both platforms I believe.

[TheMACHINE]

LOL, the OTHER TV you were looking at.

why would i get one that looks crappier?

[Drachen]

why would i get one that looks crappier?

You asked, I delivered.

[TheMACHINE]

You asked, I delivered.

ahh so you would get the crappier quality one.

[ElNono]

Although it might not be as fluid as IOS yet.


:lol Typical Apple fan

:lol

BTW, it says it comes with Honeycomb...

[ElNono]

He develops apps for both platforms I believe.

tbh, I wrote some stuff for Android but nothing production quality yet. The other side is paying the bills, so...

[Heath Ledger]

No I havent tried out a Transformer other than toying with one in a store. My gripes about Android on a Tablet have nothing to do with the hardware side, there are several tablets with better specs, faster processors, more memory better cameras etc, but the overall experience is what those lack. I have seen people who have bought Xooms and other tablets buy one and take them back for some of the same reasons ive mentioned with my Galaxy Tab 10.1 experience. The haters will never know how bad they have it unless they actually own an Ipad or Ipad 2. I have owned both and wanted to keep the Galaxy Tab but it wasnt even close to something I would call a good product compared to my Ipad 2.

[Drachen]

ahh so you would get the crappier quality one.

I would very likely get the less expensive one. 120 mhz isn't worth 800 dollars to me

[Heath Ledger]

wow the misinformation

the Transformer can do everything the Ipad can do plus more.

the main difference is the Apps. itunes appstore is just a tad bit better in quality apps. But tbh, I was going through it on a friends ipad last week and Android market has really caught up to it. The advantage is almost non existent today. So again, that BS that Ipad is more entertainment machine is pure BS

I wholeheartedly disagree. Most of the android apps in the android app store are not even made to take advantage of tablets. I downloaded several Android apps for the Galaxy Tab that I had on the Ipad and was thoroughly disappointed. They just did not have the polish and the variety of apps still pales in comparison to the offerings on the Apple store. Although they do have a lot more apps now then they once did.

A newbie to these other tablets may certainly be happy with what their Android tablet does for them but once you have owned an Ipad 2 its pretty easy to see exactly how superior the Ipad is in overall experience. Sans camera (dont need it i have a good digital cam as well as decent one on my Iphone) Ipads actually can play flash with various browser apps, (flash is being discontinued by Adobe as the world evolves to HTML 5)

I would probably buy an Android tablet for a student if on a budget but for myself I tell people to save up a bit more and get an Ipad. For those saying that the Transformer is more like a laptop that sounds cool but I feel no need to replace my laptop. I would consider giving Android another try a little bit later down the road. Im not a bonafide hater. I would buy an Android phone after my contract with AT&T expires if they make one that gets good battery life which most of them currently lack. I have not read about battery life on the S2 but there would have to be quite an improvement in that regard for me to consider switching.

[Heath Ledger]

disagree. A tablet is a tablet. The Asus is a tablet that "transforms" into a laptop thus it has an advantage over other tablets.

if you think the transformer is not going for Apple's market, you need to open your eyes.

and I agree with the many ppl here that say Apple Ipad is #1 mostly due to marketing. It really is not "far superior" than it's competitors.


Do you own or have you owned an Ipad? My guess is no. If your happy with the Transformer cool beans buy one, if you have one keep it I repeatedly hear the same theme from Ipad owners who give an Android tablet the edge overall. We've already established some tablets certainly have some better specs and if that is more important than your overall experience thats fine the Transformer will not ever put a dent into Ipad sales. Everyone in the Tablet game would love to have half the success the first Ipad had and nobody is even close to that in terms of sell thru.

Every generation of Ipads will continue to get better and everyone else is just chasing them but eats their dust. Love it or hate it these are the facts.

[Heath Ledger]

Well this rules the Galaxy S2 out for my next smart phone purchase.

http://www.mobileinquirer.com/2011/why-i-now-hate-my-samsung-galaxy-s2/

[resistanze]

Sucks for that guy my battery on my S2 has 39% left and I charged it last at 6:30AM.

[lefty]

Lol

[Heath Ledger]

doubtful you gave yours as much as that dude during his workday.

[resistanze]

How do you know? I use it quite a lot during a course of a day, including GPS, browsing, and calling. And more reputable reviews of the phone are showing much more battery life so why you'd trust some bootleg blog over several other sources I don't know.

"The story of the Galaxy S II's battery life cannot be told without returning to its luscious screen. Being an OLED panel, the 4.3-inch display here doesn't use one single backlight as LCD screens do, and instead only illuminates the pixels that are needed to actively display content. This is the reason why it can generate truer blacks than any backlit panel, but it also permits the user to optimize battery life by doing such things as switching to a darker wallpaper or reading ebooks against a black background. We didn't actually bother with such tweaks, we were too busy exploring every one of the myriad features on this phone, but the option's there as an extra dimension of obsessive control if you care for it. As to the Galaxy S II's actual endurance, we found it highly competitive with the latest batch of Android phones. After 20 hours, half of which were filled with the above tinkering and exploration, we managed to drag the Galaxy S II down to 15 percent of its original charge. This was with our usual push notification suppliers, Gmail and Twitter, running in the background and while constantly connected to our WiFi network. "

http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/28/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-review/

[resistanze]

Now my phone is rooted and I a custom kernel that even improves battery life and performance even more, but even at stock your phone shouldn't be dying in half a day.

[Heath Ledger]

I dont think its a bootleg blog, its this guys experience he points out the good things about the S2 as well.

[leemajors]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/01/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-review/

[Halberto]

Whatever dude


People dont lineup to by a S2

Iphone : popular
Samsung: iphone wannabe; no huge lineups; not popular



:lol

Hater :lol




people also line-up for krispykreme donuts and N-and-out burger

[TheMACHINE]

I would very likely get the less expensive one. 120 mhz isn't worth 800 dollars to me

To each his own...i wouldnt be happy with a 70 inch that gets fuzzy after every movement,

[TheMACHINE]

Every generation of Ipads will continue to get better and everyone else is just chasing them but eats their dust. Love it or hate it these are the facts.

I respect your opinion due to yor personal experience, but this is ridicuous. You already said that alot of other tablets have better hardware....software is personal preference. If other tablets are "chasing"...theyre probably only chasing the app store.

[lefty]

people also line-up for krispykreme donuts and N-and-out burger
kk donuts and NanOUT burgers are the shit :tu

[lefty]

Po




Pu




Lar





I say




DOn't be mad Fandroids :lmao


The City of Riverside Spent $3500 on This Video to Lure an Apple Store (http://www.iphoneincanada.ca/iphone-news/the-city-of-riverside-spent-3500-on-this-video-to-lure-an-apple-store/)

By Gary Ng on November 30th, 2011 6 (http://www.iphoneincanada.ca/iphone-news/the-city-of-riverside-spent-3500-on-this-video-to-lure-an-apple-store/#disqus_thread)
http://cdn.iphoneincanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Screen-Shot-2011-11-30-at-7.42.39-PM.png (http://www.iphoneincanada.ca/iphone-news/the-city-of-riverside-spent-3500-on-this-video-to-lure-an-apple-store/attachment/screen-shot-2011-11-30-at-7-42-39-pm/) If you have an Apple Store in your city, consider yourself lucky. Here in Vancouver, we have four locations (http://www.iphoneincanada.ca/iphone-news/metrotown-apple-store-live-on-apple-com-grand-opening-sept-24th-10am/) (with a rumoured fifth location coming (http://www.iphoneincanada.ca/iphone-news/apple-store-opening-in-downtown-vancouver-on-robson-and-burrard-in-2012/)) for a population of roughly 578,000 people (just the city, not the entire GVRD). Each location is no more than 25 minutes away from the next. You can never have enough Apple Stores.
Riverside is the sixth largest city in California but they have one thing missing–an Apple Store. So what’s a city to do? Mayor Ron Loveridge and his City Council decided to spend $3500 to make a video showcasing the love they have for Apple products and how they would mutually benefit if Apple setup a retail shop there. There are three other Apple Stores nearby, but the closest is 40 kilometres (25 miles) away, clearly too far for Riverside.
Check out the video below–is Riverside worthy of an Apple Store (nice choice of Gary Glitter’s ‘The Hey Song’)?


Link to the video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SbQsOODycmc

[hater]

:lol

BTW, it says it comes with Honeycomb...

"Nvidia has been working hard with Asus to get ICS up and running on the Prime as soon as possible. "

https://plus.google.com/113455290791279442483/posts/7smszp2YLMg

:lmao it will have it in a few weeks

[hater]

He develops apps for both platforms I believe.

:lmao now you need to be a developer to be able to tell if an OS if buggy

[hater]

people also line-up for krispykreme donuts and N-and-out burger

:rollin

[lefty]

:rollin
The City of Riverside Spent $3500 on This Video to Lure an Apple Store (http://www.iphoneincanada.ca/iphone-news/the-city-of-riverside-spent-3500-on-this-video-to-lure-an-apple-store/)

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[hater]

http://www.wordpress.tokyotimes.org/archives/krispy_kreme_line02.jpg

:lmao :lmao

[resistanze]

I really don't need this (as in I don't think I'd put a tablet to good use) but I want it! Might just make this bitch an X-mas/B-day present for myself and call it a season.

[lefty]

http://www.wordpress.tokyotimes.org/archives/krispy_kreme_line02.jpg

:lmao :lmao


Oh shit

Asians have always been fit


Japan = fucked :lol

[Heath Ledger]

The Transformer Prime looks cool but to make it cool you need the keyboard dock which is $150 making the price point of a base model plus keyboard dock around $700 after taxes, might as well just get a decent laptop for that kind of money. It an entirely different product altogether. Not an Ipad competitor I.M.H.O.

[hater]

The Transformer Prime looks cool but to make it cool you need the keyboard dock which is $150 making the price point of a base model plus keyboard dock around $700 after taxes, might as well just get a decent laptop for that kind of money. It an entirely different product altogether. Not an Ipad competitor I.M.H.O.

ok keep telling yourself that :lol

[resistanze]

Oh shit

Asians have always been fit


Japan = fucked :lol

WTF happened to Krispy Kreme in Canada?? There were a few that popped in the early 2000s around here in Toronto then they were gone.

I wanted diabetes :depressed

[lefty]

I wanted diabetes :depressed
You want diabete

Come to Montreal and get some poutine

You'll get diabetes in no time :lol

[resistanze]

You want diabete

Come to Montreal and get some poutine

You'll get diabetes in no time :lol

Unbelievably I've never been to Montreal. I passed by Montreal on my way to Bromont for a conference.

Next time my buddies were going for a road trip I had to stay in the lab during the weekend during grad school. I need some of that poutine with pork and chicken and horse etc.

[lefty]

Unbelievably I've never been to Montreal. I passed by Montreal on my way to Bromont for a conference.

Next time my buddies were going for a road trip I had to stay in the lab during the weekend during grad school. I need some of that poutine with pork and chicken and horse etc.
http://kaszpir.hlds.pl/4chan/batman_wtf.jpg

[TheMACHINE]

I rarely use my keyboard....but I have it just in case. It was only $100.00

[cheguevara]

I use the keyboard when I need the extra juice or when I am typing an email/document. I just hate typing on the damn tablet screen. I wish swype was free for tablets.

Here are my main gripes about Android tablet:
- Stock Browser is pretty crappy when compared to a PC browser. (slow, buggy). I haven't found a 3rd party browser that supports flash and is superior yet.

actually that's it. everything else works like a charm. And about the Apps. there are TONS of tablet ready apps in the Android Market.

[ElNono]

"Nvidia has been working hard with Asus to get ICS up and running on the Prime as soon as possible. "

So it comes with Honeycomb... :rolleyes

[ElNono]

:lmao now you need to be a developer to be able to tell if an OS if buggy

My complain wasn't about buggy. I touched on the issue earlier: Fairly few tablet-specific apps compared to the iPad.

[Creepn]

The Transformer Prime looks cool but to make it cool you need the keyboard dock which is $150 making the price point of a base model plus keyboard dock around $700 after taxes, might as well just get a decent laptop for that kind of money. It an entirely different product altogether. Not an Ipad competitor I.M.H.O.

Please a tablet laptop costs about $1000-$1500 and they are on a swivel too. A teacher would be able to use the Transformer for a class just as easy as a heavy ass tablet laptop, probably even easier. Another point for the Transformer.

[hater]

My complain wasn't about buggy. I touched on the issue earlier: Fairly few tablet-specific apps compared to the iPad.

and that's pretty much the only argument left that apple fanboys can hold on to.

if you really believe Android tablet apps won't catch up to Apple in the next few months you are blind as a bat.

not to mention next year Windows tablets are coming and boom. Game over.

[hater]

btw, Here is some sound advice for you Nono. Before it's too late:

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has referred to Windows 8 as the riskiest product bet in the company's history, presumably because of the ramifications for Windows' popularity in the post-iPad, post-Android world. :wow This week, Harris told developers at Build that the release is also the "single biggest developer opportunity in the history of the world" because of the sheer number of Windows PCs.

"Some of you are going to get rich," Harris said. "Some of you are going to build apps that are going to be used by hundreds of millions of people."

[TheMACHINE]

well thats pretty much what IPAD's and IPHONEs users use...."Apple has Better Apps."

I have free games that Apple charges for. I have every APP that i really need on my Android. I guess the downside is i had to wait for Hanging with Friends a few months after Apple released it .

[ElNono]

and that's pretty much the only argument left that apple fanboys can hold on to.

Why just limit it to apple fanboys? It's true after all :lol


if you really believe Android tablet apps won't catch up to Apple in the next few months you are blind as a bat.

not to mention next year Windows tablets are coming and boom. Game over.

Never claimed they won't catch up, BUT, there's a symbiosis as far as market share is concerned... choosing to develop for 70% or 30% of the market is a fairly easy decision.

Not hating, but Android does need to provide a better API to make it simpler to just rework the interface from phone->tablet, which is something Apple has done well in their SDK. I haven't looked at the ICS SDK yet, but if that's there, that's going to be the avenue.

[ElNono]

btw, Here is some sound advice for you Nono. Before it's too late:

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has referred to Windows 8 as the riskiest product bet in the company's history, presumably because of the ramifications for Windows' popularity in the post-iPad, post-Android world. :wow This week, Harris told developers at Build that the release is also the "single biggest developer opportunity in the history of the world" because of the sheer number of Windows PCs.

"Some of you are going to get rich," Harris said. "Some of you are going to build apps that are going to be used by hundreds of millions of people."

That's this guy:

“You don’t need to be a computer scientist to use a Windows phone and you do to use and Android phone…It is hard for me to be excited about the Android phones.”

http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/ballmerangry-580x406.jpg

[hater]

Why just limit it to apple fanboys? It's true after all :lol



Never claimed they won't catch up, BUT, there's a symbiosis as far as market share is concerned... choosing to develop for 70% or 30% of the market is a fairly easy decision.

Not hating, but Android does need to provide a better API to make it simpler to just rework the interface from phone->tablet, which is something Apple has done well in their SDK. I haven't looked at the ICS SDK yet, but if that's there, that's going to be the avenue.

if developers did their homework, it should be fairly easy to port to a tablet layout. I don't see any issues here.

[ElNono]

well thats pretty much what IPAD's and IPHONEs users use...."Apple has Better Apps."

I have free games that Apple charges for. I have every APP that i really need on my Android. I guess the downside is i had to wait for Hanging with Friends a few months after Apple released it .

Actually, Android has done very well on the phone department. But you can't untie that with the market share they have in that area.

[ElNono]

if developers did their homework, it should be fairly easy to port to a tablet layout. I don't see any issues here.

Well, if you're a developer, you would know that it takes more than "homework". And that's why you don't see tablet-specific versions of many Android apps. Again, not sure how this applies to ICS yet.

[Heath Ledger]

I rarely use my keyboard....but I have it just in case. It was only $100.00

Was going by the article it said it was $150 for the new keyboard for the prime.

[Heath Ledger]

and that's pretty much the only argument left that apple fanboys can hold on to.

if you really believe Android tablet apps won't catch up to Apple in the next few months you are blind as a bat.

not to mention next year Windows tablets are coming and boom. Game over.

Lol ya im sure Apple is quaking in their boots. Remeber the Ipod killer Zune?

[Heath Ledger]

well thats pretty much what IPAD's and IPHONEs users use...."Apple has Better Apps."

I have free games that Apple charges for. I have every APP that i really need on my Android. I guess the downside is i had to wait for Hanging with Friends a few months after Apple released it .

If you jailbreak all apps are free...

[Drachen]

If you jailbreak all apps are free...

Yeah, but that is bullshit. (yes I know plenty of Android users who do this too and I get in their case about it too).

[Heath Ledger]

Okay i exaggerated there. Even though I have plenty of apps that I havent paid for I have spent probably around $1000 on legit apps. I won't bother trying to justify pirating apps.

[Creepn]

Okay i exaggerated there. Even though I have plenty of apps that I havent paid for I have spent probably around $1000 on legit apps. I won't bother trying to justify pirating apps.

Durr with that amount of money, you could've bought a decent laptop.

[hater]

Well, if you're a developer, you would know that it takes more than "homework".

no it doesn't. If you wanna do a straight port from mobile app to tablet, all logic is separated from GUI. All you have to do is change the GUI and you are good to go


And that's why you don't see tablet-specific versions of many Android apps. Again, not sure how this applies to ICS yet.

now, again I said if you wanna do a straight port. But tablet is a different physical media from mobile. So if you wanna build a real true tablet app, you would have to rething the entire application. So again, your point is not valid cause you anyway have to redo the application in this case. Ipad or Android. same thing

[Heath Ledger]

Durr with that amount of money, you could've bought a decent laptop.

I already have a nice I7 laptop (Vaio)

[ElNono]

no it doesn't. If you wanna do a straight port from mobile app to tablet, all logic is separated from GUI. All you have to do is change the GUI and you are good to go

Nope. The tablet API only showed up in Honeycomb, and Honeycomb didn't officially make it to a lot of phones. That's why ICS is important, because it merges the API on a single OS targeted both at phone and tablet. Now, if you target ICS, you can code towards both the tablet and phone.


now, again I said if you wanna do a straight port. But tablet is a different physical media from mobile. So if you wanna build a real true tablet app, you would have to rething the entire application. So again, your point is not valid cause you anyway have to redo the application in this case. Ipad or Android. same thing

Nope again. What Apple did right in iOS is to use resolution-independent UI from the get go, because they wanted to support rotation-aware apps. That actually ended up being the right call, because now the same concept expands to different screen resolutions.

Took us just a single day to have an universal version of our app that works natively both on iPad and iPhone. As long as you define how things are laid-out, your app just works, regardless of the screen size or whether it's retina or not.

[hater]

Nope. The tablet API only showed up in Honeycomb, and Honeycomb didn't officially make it to a lot of phones. That's why ICS is important, because it merges the API on a single OS targeted both at phone and tablet. Now, if you target ICS, you can code towards both the tablet and phone.

that is exactly what I said. You have 2 choices let your Froyo app run in Honeycomb, or redo the GUI part to use Honeycomb optimized tablet APIs. Either way it is not a major problem. It's not like you are redoing your entire app



Nope again. What Apple did right in iOS is to use resolution-independent UI from the get go, because they wanted to support rotation-aware apps. That actually ended up being the right call, because now the same concept expands to different screen resolutions.

Took us just a single day to have an universal version of our app that works natively both on iPad and iPhone. As long as you define how things are laid-out, your app just works, regardless of the screen size or whether it's retina or not.

which is the case in Android. Again, a Froyo app will run in Honeycomb as is.

[leemajors]

this sucks

http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/02/amazon-canceling-some-transformer-prime-pre-orders-supply-short/

[resistanze]

this sucks

http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/02/amazon-canceling-some-transformer-prime-pre-orders-supply-short/

I'm wondering if other places affected by this shortage (e.g. Bust Buy). I'm getting closer and closer to splurging on one for the holidays. Of course, this might not even be an issue up here.

[leemajors]

I'm wondering if other places affected by this shortage (e.g. Bust Buy). I'm getting closer and closer to splurging on one for the holidays. Of course, this might not even be an issue up here.

waiting a week just to have it canceled blows.

[Drachen]

I can't stand that kind of stuff. You know you have a popular product on hand. Bust that shit OUT.

[lefty]

Fuck Asus

http://i.imgur.com/m8Aiw.jpg

[ElNono]

that is exactly what I said. You have 2 choices let your Froyo app run in Honeycomb, or redo the GUI part to use Honeycomb optimized tablet APIs. Either way it is not a major problem. It's not like you are redoing your entire app

Which is exactly what I was pointing out. You don't have to "redo" pretty much anything in iOS. As long as you wrote the app to be resolution-agnostic, and you mark the app iPad compatible, the OS will handle the UI to be tablet-native on a tablet, and phone-native on a phone. You write against the exact same API.


which is the case in Android. Again, a Froyo app will run in Honeycomb as is.

But it won't use tablet APIs... it's like non-universal iPhone apps running on the iPad.

[Nathan Explosion]

Which is exactly what I was pointing out. You don't have to "redo" pretty much anything in iOS. As long as you wrote the app to be resolution-agnostic, and you mark the app iPad compatible, the OS will handle the UI to be tablet-native on a tablet, and phone-native on a phone. You write against the exact same API.



But it won't use tablet APIs... it's like non-universal iPhone apps running on the iPad.

Okay, not a developer, but I will say this. When iOS 4 came out, you could tell which apps were developed with iOS 4 and the Retina screen in mind and which ones weren't. I saw a lot of fuzzy icons and not so sharp displays for a few months while everyone caught up. Some apps improved vastly in terms of display when they added the little "updated for iOS 4 and Retina display" to the description.

Now that has to do with just the visual, but I'm sure it is a little part of developing on iOS vs Android that ElNono is trying to get at.

[Drachen]

I have to say if the TP is as successful as the original, I could see Asus leading the android charge. They are coming out with a Tegra 3 phone next year and they are (at least IMHO) synonymous with quality. When I built computers, I used Asus components wherever possible. My current and previous laptops were asus and run great. If that quality and innovation continues to carry over to the mobile side, they could be a force to be reckoned with.

[hater]

Which is exactly what I was pointing out. You don't have to "redo" pretty much anything in iOS. As long as you wrote the app to be resolution-agnostic, and you mark the app iPad compatible, the OS will handle the UI to be tablet-native on a tablet, and phone-native on a phone. You write against the exact same API.

Same exact thing on Android



But it won't use tablet APIs... it's like non-universal iPhone apps running on the iPad.

I don't agree that you can call an iOS phone app, a tablet app too. It's either a phone app that also runs on tablet, or a tablet app that also runs on phone. IMO those are 2 different platforms. A true tablet app is designed for the tablet from the groudn up.

[ElNono]

Same exact thing on Android

:lol Nope. You couldn't possibly have a tablet-UI when the API isn't there. That's exactly what ICS brings to the table.


I don't agree that you can call an iOS phone app, a tablet app too. It's either a phone app that also runs on tablet, or a tablet app that also runs on phone. IMO those are 2 different platforms. A true tablet app is designed for the tablet from the groudn up.

It doesn't have to be like that. And certainly, that's the big plus you're getting for free here. The users get two different experiences, but the developer only had to write towards one API. And it's a big reason why there's so many native iPad apps out there.

That's why it's called universal, as opposed to a phone app. It doesn't just works on both, but they actually behave distinctly on both, but it's handled entirely by the system.

For example, when you display a popup menu, the API is exactly the same, but on the tablet it will display on a popup, where on the phone it will be a menu that slides from the bottom. Or when printing, you'll get the print options in a popup on the tablet, where it takes you to another screen in the phone. It's all handed by the system, and it's a time saver, because it does what's natural for that device, and I don't have to sit down and re-invent the wheel. Now, if you want to customize per device, you can do that too.

The convergence of APIs on ICS will hopefully prompt to the same kind of "smarts" on Android.

[Drachen]

The convergence of APIs on ICS will hopefully prompt to the same kind of "smarts" on Android.

I am no expert on the subject, but the way I understand it this is what ICS' "Fragments" API brings to the table.

[ElNono]

Okay, not a developer, but I will say this. When iOS 4 came out, you could tell which apps were developed with iOS 4 and the Retina screen in mind and which ones weren't. I saw a lot of fuzzy icons and not so sharp displays for a few months while everyone caught up. Some apps improved vastly in terms of display when they added the little "updated for iOS 4 and Retina display" to the description.

Now that has to do with just the visual, but I'm sure it is a little part of developing on iOS vs Android that ElNono is trying to get at.

Actually, the introduction of the retina display is a good example. Everything still worked natively, no scaling on fonts, system controls, etc. The only thing that required a change was that if you used a custom image/icon/bitmap, you needed to include one with twice the resolution and name it <image>@2x.png.

That's it. You didn't even need to change the filenames on the program. The API automatically appends and uses the @2x if it's on a retina display and the file is there, otherwise it falls back to whatever was there and scales it.

[ElNono]

I am no expert on the subject, but the way I understand it this is what ICS' "Fragments" API brings to the table.

And now we come full circle :lol

Yes, that's what I read too, which is what's pointed out here:
http://buildmobile.com/whats-coming-for-developers-in-ice-cream-sandwich/

Still not sure how much of a timer saver it is though.

[Drachen]

And now we come full circle :lol

Yes, that's what I read too, which is what's pointed out here:
http://buildmobile.com/whats-coming-for-developers-in-ice-cream-sandwich/

Still not sure how much of a timer saver it is though.

I guess a big ol' Rick Perry is in order here (oops). I couldn't remember if this was discussed in this thread or not. I will defer to you as to how much it will help, though some of the android developers that I know on other forums seem to be quite excited by it.

[ElNono]

I guess a big ol' Rick Perry is in order here (oops). I couldn't remember if this was discussed in this thread or not. I will defer to you as to how much it will help, though some of the android developers that I know on other forums seem to be quite excited by it.

And they should. With all the mobile app activity these days, anything that reduces time-to-market is huge.

[resistanze]

I have to say if the TP is as successful as the original, I could see Asus leading the android charge. They are coming out with a Tegra 3 phone next year and they are (at least IMHO) synonymous with quality. When I built computers, I used Asus components wherever possible. My current and previous laptops were asus and run great. If that quality and innovation continues to carry over to the mobile side, they could be a force to be reckoned with.

Now that you mentioned it I own/owned many Asus products:
- Motherboard for comp in '05
- My first laptop in '06
- My second laptop in '09
- My 23" LED monitor, motherboard for my current PC
- My current wireless N router

Solid products, only thing on that list that sucks balls is my router. Laptops received door-to-door service for any issue, and now warranty for laptop is 2 years standard.

I'm pretty sure if I come across a Transformer Prime I'll likely pull the trigger.

[hater]

:lol Nope. You couldn't possibly have a tablet-UI when the API isn't there. That's exactly what ICS brings to the table.

let's see. you develop an app for iphone and it works on ipad. you develop an app for android phone and works on android tablet. I don't see a problem here.



It doesn't have to be like that. And certainly, that's the big plus you're getting for free here. The users get two different experiences, but the developer only had to write towards one API. And it's a big reason why there's so many native iPad apps out there.

That's why it's called universal, as opposed to a phone app. It doesn't just works on both, but they actually behave distinctly on both, but it's handled entirely by the system.

For example, when you display a popup menu, the API is exactly the same, but on the tablet it will display on a popup, where on the phone it will be a menu that slides from the bottom. Or when printing, you'll get the print options in a popup on the tablet, where it takes you to another screen in the phone. It's all handed by the system, and it's a time saver, because it does what's natural for that device, and I don't have to sit down and re-invent the wheel. Now, if you want to customize per device, you can do that too.

The convergence of APIs on ICS will hopefully prompt to the same kind of "smarts" on Android.

no. IMO phone and tablet are 2 different platforms. Thus if you really want a true tablet app you need to build it specifically for tablet.

Main reasoning is the real estate difference and the whole experience is different, gestures, etc.

[ElNono]

let's see. you develop an app for iphone and it works on ipad. you develop an app for android phone and works on android tablet. I don't see a problem here.

You're missing the third category: You develop an app for both and it works on both. On the phone, it works as a phone app, on the tablet, it works as a tablet app. :sleep


no. IMO phone and tablet are 2 different platforms. Thus if you really want a true tablet app you need to build it specifically for tablet.
Main reasoning is the real estate difference and the whole experience is different, gestures, etc.

They are two different platforms. But, what if the OS handled the difference for you? On the tablet, you get the extra real-estate, gestures and the whole tablet experience. On the phone you get the phone experience. Neat, uh?

[hater]

You're missing the third category: You develop an app for both and it works on both. On the phone, it works as a phone app, on the tablet, it works as a tablet app. :sleep



They are two different platforms. But, what if the OS handled the difference for you? On the tablet, you get the extra real-estate, gestures and the whole tablet experience. On the phone you get the phone experience. Neat, uh?

I also forgot to mention the computing power. tablets are starting to be monsters and pulling ahead of phones. even more need to have true tablet apps that take advantage of this.

IMO developers will always have 3 choices:
1) make an app that will run on both
2) make a phone app
3) make a tablet app

[Drachen]

I also forgot to mention the computing power. tablets are starting to be monsters and pulling ahead of phones. even more need to have true tablet apps that take advantage of this.


Why do you say this? everything that is in a tablet is going into phones.


case in point: the Transformer prime will be out sometime this month and that Tegra 3 powered Asus Padfone will be out late next month.

[hater]

Why do you say this? everything that is in a tablet is going into phones.


case in point: the Transformer prime will be out sometime this month and that Tegra 3 powered Asus Padfone will be out late next month.

There will always be monster phones. But those will be few. The bread and butter phones will not be able to compete with bread and butter tablets.

[Drachen]

There will always be monster phones. But those will be few. The bread and butter phones will not be able to compete with bread and butter tablets.

what do you consider a bread and butter phone? tablet? I was comparing a monster phone to a monster tablet. A bread and butter tablet would be like a nook or kindle and mid-range phones can compete with those.

[ElNono]

I also forgot to mention the computing power. tablets are starting to be monsters and pulling ahead of phones. even more need to have true tablet apps that take advantage of this.

IMO developers will always have 3 choices:
1) make an app that will run on both
2) make a phone app
3) make a tablet app

You have to write it anyways, might as well write it against an API that let you run on both. If the phone isn't up to par right now in processing speed, you can just turn the feature off on the phone until they do.

We've done this with a few features, but as performance on phones increased dramatically, we just turned those back on now. Which, again, is the nice thing about targeting a single API, and the reasons Android devs are salivating at ICS. You just flip a switch.

[leemajors]

They may be losing the name soon, Hasbro is suing Asus:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/22/transformer-optimus-prime-wants-his-name-back-right-now-prefera/

[lefty]

Didnt click on the link, but is it about the Transformers ? :lol

[leemajors]

yup.

[resistanze]

Good. That'll teach 'em for fucking around with the release. I would've bought one just to cause I wanted a new toy.

[leemajors]

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/02/asus-now-catching-heat-for-locked-transformer-prime-bootloader/


Man, talk about not being able to catch a break. After launching what was largely considered the first Android tablet worth drooling over at AsiaD, ASUS has ran into every conceivable issue in the months since. Delays, on-again / off-again claims about GPS and now, a locked bootloader that has the vocal Android modding community all sorts of angry. The primary issue here is that the Prime is a WiFi-only device, which leaves little room for ASUS to justify its decision to thwart the use of uncertified ROMs. Of course, HTC has faced similar pressures in the past, and its decision to cut loose of the locked bootloader chains won it universal praise from a universal audience. Time for ASUS to step up and do likewise?

[resistanze]

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/02/asus-now-catching-heat-for-locked-transformer-prime-bootloader/

I was about to post this. If I was still considering this tablet, this would've been the nail in the coffin. ASUS really dropped the ball on this one.

On another note, I was watching TV a couple of days ago, and I saw a cartoon show called 'Transformers Prime'. No wonder their ass is getting sued :lol

[resistanze]

Asus Promises Transformer Prime ICS Update, Unlocked Bootloader

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2398318,00.asp

[leemajors]

Asus Promises Transformer Prime ICS Update, Unlocked Bootloader

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2398318,00.asp

hah, awesome. have they still disowned the gps?

[resistanze]

hah, awesome. have they still disowned the gps?

Yup. Now they claim it isn't meant to be a 'premium' GPS - whatever the fuck that means.

My local Computer Chain called me saying my preorder is available for pick-up. Too late, I bought a watch :lol.

[resistanze]

The IdeaPAd S2 10" from CES:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/08/lenovos-ideatab-s2-10-joins-the-tablet-transformation-gang-pa/

Looks pretty awesome.

[leemajors]

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/18/asus-offers-refunds-and-extended-warranties/

:lmao

[lefty]

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/18/asus-offers-refunds-and-extended-warranties/

:lmao
:lol Asus

:lol premature ejac

[resistanze]

Asus shat the bed with this one :lol

Which is suprising as they've been pretty top notch over the years (my laptop came with 2 year standard warranty, door-2-door service).