KENS 5: Added to our drinking water: A chemical 'more toxic than lead'?

[Parker2112]

Through the lips and past the gums, and into the stomach in seconds.

It’s a drink of water, plus a little hydrofluorosilicic acid: a chemical so corrosive and toxic, it carries a warning label. Since 2002, the city has been injecting it into the water supply, in an effort to stem tooth decay.

“The one, clear, proven way of keeping people’s teeth healthier, reducing decay is community water fluoridation,” said Dr. Maria Lopez-Howell, a San Antonio dentist and spokeswoman for the American Dental Association.

The American Dental Association says studies dating back to the 1940’s show a correlation between high concentrations of fluoride and a lack of cavities.

“We know that it continues to work, with anywhere from a 20 to 40 percent reduction in tooth decay,” added Lopez-Howell.

The ADA’s stance on fluoridated water hasn’t changed. But what has changed in the last 9 years is the growth of research which says ingesting fluoride may be harming, rather than helping.

"It accumulates in your bones and other places as well,” said Dr. Griffin Cole, an Austin dentist and opponent of fluoridated water.

Cole won’t use fluoride in his dental office.

"No fluoride. I don't have any fluoridated toothpaste in the office. I don't do any fluoride treatments, never have. I don't recommend it. I openly tell my patients that,” said Cole.

Cole says despite the lack of fluoride, there’s been no increase in cavities in his patients.

"Drinking water with fluoride in it does not have any benefit to the teeth, whatsoever,” he said.

And San Antonio’s Metro-Health department studies appear to back that up.

After 9 years and $3 million of adding fluoride, research shows tooth decay hasn’t dropped among the poorest of Bexar County’s children. It has only increased—up 13% in 2010, the latest date that data was available.

One out of two children in the Head Start program who were checked for cavities had some decay last year.

Also on the increase is fluorosis—or staining of the teeth. Drink a lot of fluoridated water, and you run the risk of these permanent splotches.

In fact, fluorosis is up 41 percent across the nation.

It’s so prevalent, the Centers for Disease Control warns parents NOT to mix baby formula with fluoridated water—a warning that is at-odds with the ADA.

“Our diet is such that we need everything we can do to prevent tooth decay. The bad news is that you may have some white spots on your teeth. The good news is that you won’t have any cavities,” said Dr. Lopez-Howell.

But recent studies from the CDC report there’s no clear evidence that adding fluoride to water does anything. And even one of the ADA’s own researchers has concluded that fluoride--at best—works when it is applied topically to teeth.

In 2006, the National Academy of Science reported that even at low levels, ingesting fluoride increases bone fractures and contributes to diabetes, brittle bones and thyroid dysfunction.

Dr. Laura Pressley says she learned that the hard way.

"About ten years ago I was diagnosed with hyperthyroidism,” said Pressley.

With the diagnosis, she began taking a regimen of drugs to control it.

Thyroid disease isn’t something that runs in her family, so Pressley investigated.

"I do have fluorosis in my teeth, and the white discoloration and I knew I grew up with fluoride in my tap water as a child,” she said.

As a chemist, Pressley says her research pointed to fluoride. So, she took it out. All of it--through water filters and a change in diet.

And she says when fluoride disappeared, so did her symptoms.

"I was on migraine medication, I was on allergy medication, and I was on thyroid medication. I take no medications at all. And that is shocking, because I was on so much three years ago,” said Pressley.

“This compound that the city is adding is many more times toxic than lead. It’s nearly as toxic as arsenic,” said a fluoride opponent, who signed up to speak at a City of Austin committee hearing.

The city is considering a warning label on its water bill, so that residents know the hazards associated with fluoride consumption.

It’s a first step, they say, in joining the 250 communities that have stopped fluoridation completely. It is estimated that more than 60% of the nation's water supply is now fluoridated.

“Let’s get the warning on our label on our city bill, and let’s just get it out of the water. It’s time,” added Cole.

http://www.kens5.com/news/More-toxic-than-lead--134366538.html

[ChumpDumper]

Why did a San Antoinio have to go to Austin to find anyone opposed to fluoride?

[Parker2112]

Why did a San Antoinio have to go to Austin to find anyone opposed to fluoride?

The real question: why would anyone waste media coverage on such a laughable issue? Everyone with half a mind knows this is not even worth discussing.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh, it's worth some discussion; just not the burning issue you, Alex Jones and the John Birch Society think it is.

[Parker2112]

LOL KENS 5. Tin foil hat wearing paranoid fools.

[Parker2112]

Oh, it's worth some discussion; just not the burning issue you, Alex Jones and the John Birch Society think it is.

Its a civil liberties issue. You scoffed at the mention of civil liberties, the infant formula issue, fluorosis, etc. Now its worth discussion?

Or are you still trying to diminish the discussion before it even starts by associating the issue with low-life conspiracy theorists to (again) attack the character of those who argue against the practice?

Are you now trying to back track AND save face?

Have your cake AND eat it to?

[ChumpDumper]

Its a civil liberties issue. You scoffed at the mention of civil liberties, the infant formula issue, fluorosis, etc. Now its worth discussion?I said everyone is free to not drink fluoridated water. I still maintain that.


Or are you still trying to diminish the discussion before it even starts by associating the issue with low-life conspiracy theorists to (again) attack the character of those who argue against the practice?It is a hallmark of low-life conspiracy theorists -- of which you are one. Tell me, was there an actual story aired on KENS about this?


Are you now trying to back track AND save face?Not at all.


Have your cake AND eat it to?Nope.

[ChumpDumper]

Let me ask you this: Do you want to appear to be persecuted for your beliefs because that validates those beliefs in your mind?

There is a long list of posters who jump at the chance to play the victim. You're pretty high on that list.

[Parker2112]

I said everyone is free to not drink fluoridated water. I still maintain that.

It is a hallmark of low-life conspiracy theorists -- of which you are one. Tell me, was there an actual story aired on KENS about this?



Yes it did. Does that matter?

[Parker2112]

click the link and watch it go.

[ChumpDumper]

Thanks. My browser didn't show it initially.

[boutons_deux]

The less chemicals govt and UCA inserts into our food, water, land, the better.

Mercola has plenty of links:

http://search.mercola.com/search/Pages/results.aspx?sq=1&k=fluoride

[Wild Cobra]

thanks bro, interesting that one of the first links talk about it causing thryoid disfunction, something that many people in this country have and many more have it and dont even know it. I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism at like age 15, something pretty rare..
It's not rare. My youngest has it also. So common medication for it is cheap.

[Parker2112]

Let me ask you this: Do you want to appear to be persecuted for your beliefs because that validates those beliefs in your mind?

There is a long list of posters who jump at the chance to play the victim. You're pretty high on that list.

Persecution doesnt even play into my thinking. What does play in however, is how any given issue isnt valid to the "progressives" on this board until talking heads in the MSM say it is.

Cleaning up our water is progress. Why do you Chump, as a progressive, hate progress?

[Wild Cobra]

^it's mostly in middle aged people and women dude..it's pretty rare for a teenage guy to have, but becoming for common today for some reason..
Iodine deficiency, maybe?

[Parker2112]

(The flouride issue) is a hallmark of low-life conspiracy theorists

LOL KENS 5 Birchers.

[Parker2112]

I said everyone is free to not drink fluoridated water. I still maintain that.



Google search "fluoride filter whole house." then click shopping. then look at prices. then think about lower class incomes. then tell us, why do you hate nice white teeth, Chump?

[ChumpDumper]

Persecution doesnt even play into my thinking. What does play in however, is how any given issue isnt valid to the "progressives" on this board until talking heads in the MSM say it is.

Cleaning up our water is progress. Why do you Chump, as a progressive, hate progress?Why do you, Parker, as a straw man maker, make straw men?


Google search "fluoride filter whole house." then click shopping. then look at prices. then think about lower class incomes. then tell us, why do you hate nice white teeth, Chump?Whole house filters are not necessary, straw man.

[mavs>spurs]

Iodine deficiency, maybe?

I doubt it with America's salt filled diet

[ChumpDumper]

I doubt it with America's salt filled dietMaybe they are ingesting salt that is "cleaned up" and free of iodine.

[mavs>spurs]

I was referring to my own situation, I was never iodine deficient I know that much.

[DMC]

What about all the dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO) that's prevalent in our water supplies and a lot of our foods and drinks? No one has even addressed that.

[mavs>spurs]

^ tee hee

[Wild Cobra]

I was referring to my own situation, I was never iodine deficient I know that much.
Thyroid problems are also genetic. My mother has hypothyroidism, skipped me, and my daughter does.

[Wild Cobra]

yup my mom has it..but..like i said, it's typically found in middle aged women. She didnt have it when she was young, she got it when she was almost in her 40's which is typical. me having it as a 15 year old male (probably actually had it since 13 or 14, around the time i started feeling like shit) made it seem a little odd.
Yet the genetics is probably key in your case. Not knowing for sure, I would guess that genetics is what allows it to happen rather than having anything to dictate when. Some people are more prone genetically to other diseases as well, and they are not necessarily age determined.

[Wild Cobra]

what else is strange is that my dad got it, she got it, i got it, even the fuckin DOG has it...i really really think it's environmental in some way.
Could be.

[Parker2112]

:wakeup

[Winehole23]

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[Parker2112]

Newflash RG. Wake up bud.

[CosmicCowboy]

As a lifetime resident of San Antonio I remember when there was no flouride in the water. Then, proponents wanted to add it. It was voted down time after time and it kept getting put back on the ballot every couple of years. Then it finally passes (a squeaker in an off year low turnout election) and that's just IT. Cast in stone. No more votes, no chances to overturn it. I have ALWAYS wondered who got paid to push it through and then protect it...

[CosmicCowboy]

what else is strange is that my dad got it, she got it, i got it, even the fuckin DOG has it...i really really think it's environmental in some way.

Family thyroid problems, huh? Is this a picture of you and your dog?

http://www.motorace.com/miva/graphics/00000001/michelin-man-dog-bobblehead.jpg

[Parker2112]

As a lifetime resident of San Antonio I remember when there was no flouride in the water. Then, proponents wanted to add it. It was voted down time after time and it kept getting put back on the ballot every couple of years. Then it finally passes (a squeaker in an off year low turnout election) and that's just IT. Cast in stone. No more votes, no chances to overturn it. I have ALWAYS wondered who got paid to push it through and then protect it...

Sounds about right.

[Blake]

“This compound that the city is adding is many more times toxic than lead. It’s nearly as toxic as arsenic,” said a fluoride opponent, who signed up to speak at a City of Austin committee hearing.



expert testimony

[mavs>spurs]

John Wayne told me

[ChumpDumper]

There is arsenic in your kids' apple juice!

[Capt Bringdown]

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[Winehole23]

As a lifetime resident of San Antonio I remember when there was no flouride in the water. Then, proponents wanted to add it. It was voted down time after time and it kept getting put back on the ballot every couple of years. Then it finally passes (a squeaker in an off year low turnout election) and that's just IT. Cast in stone. No more votes, no chances to overturn it. I have ALWAYS wondered who got paid to push it through and then protect it...When did it pass?

[DMX7]

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lol, that was my first thought when I read this thread.

[Parker2112]

Its fuggin laughable...I mean who even debate something like this right? KENS has lost all respect. RG, wouldnt you agree?

[CosmicCowboy]

When did it pass?

2002

http://www.saws.org/our_water/fluoride.shtml

[Winehole23]

thx

[Blake]

Its fuggin laughable...I mean who even debate something like this right? KENS has lost all respect. RG, wouldnt you agree?

Did the KENS reporter ever end up answering his original question?

[Parker2112]

Did the KENS reporter ever end up answering his original question?

WGAFF. Sometimes the asking of the question is more important than the answer. The expelling of a question by a set of lips in one hemisphere can start a hurricane in another.

Something like "What would it take to get Saddam?" for example.

[Blake]

WGAFF. Sometimes the asking of the question is more important than the answer. The expelling of a question by a set of lips in one hemisphere can start a hurricane in another.

Something like "What would it take to get Saddam?" for example.

Difference here is that we have decades worth of research on the subject.

This piece added nothing new, which means the answer is still 'no.'

[Parker2112]

Difference here is that we have decades worth of research on the subject.

This piece added nothing new, which means the answer is still 'no.'

We had intel to go after Saddam, too. :-/

[Parker2112]

Funny how you dismiss reseach contrary to your opinion.

But tbh, you dont need research to see the dangers this poses to infants of the lower class, to those sensative to the stuff, those that dont want stained teeth, and those that dont want state mandated medication and think that the supreme law of the land should trump special interests.

Special interests who have achieved influence over our politicians, and loyal citizens like yourself.

[ChumpDumper]

Why only infants of the lower class?

[Parker2112]

because they dont have a choice chump. they dont have means to purchase special water, and in some cases education will be a factor. We have had this discussion before.

Why do you hate babies in poverty, chump?

[Blake]

Funny how you dismiss reseach contrary to your opinion.


We already went through this.

You lost.

You'll lose again.

[Parker2112]

You won because you said you won. You might believe yourself to be santa. either way your entitled to your laymans opinion. The OP contains a professional opinion that doesnt agree with your own. It also dismisses your tired "This is settled" argument. Convenient for me.


The American Dental Association says studies dating back to the 1940’s show a correlation between high concentrations of fluoride and a lack of cavities.

“We know that it continues to work, with anywhere from a 20 to 40 percent reduction in tooth decay,” added Lopez-Howell.

The ADA’s stance on fluoridated water hasn’t changed. But what has changed in the last 9 years is the growth of research which says ingesting fluoride may be harming, rather than helping.

[Blake]

You won because you said you won.

No, I say you lost because your claims failed.

[Parker2112]

No, I say you lost because your claims failed.

Blake, your argument just went up in smoke on THIS board, and your try and play it off hoping no one noticed...who could trust about old stuff with a track record like that?

Are you republican by chance?

[ChumpDumper]

because they dont have a choice chump. they dont have means to purchase special water, and in some cases education will be a factor. We have had this discussion before.

Why do you hate babies in poverty, chump?Their parents can go to a reverse osmosis dispenser quite easily.

Why do you think the poor are stupid, Parker?

[Parker2112]

Their parents can go to a reverse osmosis dispenser quite easily.

Why do you think the poor are stupid, Parker?

Bullshit. Those filters arent cheap. Thats a months groceries for a poor family, plus the ongoing filter cartridge costs.

And if so many on this board are in the dark about fluoride, what makes you think poor folks without internet would be better off than, oh, Blake for example?

Are you by chance a republican chump?

[Wild Cobra]

Are you by chance a republican chump?
Seems to me that Chump is an equal opportunity offender. He just likes to offend.

[Blake]

Blake, your argument just went up in smoke on THIS board, and your try and play it off hoping no one noticed...who could trust about old stuff with a track record like that?

I have no idea what you are talking about, but feel free to point out whatever argument of mine you think went up in smoke.


Are you republican by chance?

No

[ChumpDumper]

Bullshit. Those filters arent cheap. Thats a months groceries for a poor family, plus the ongoing filter cartridge costs.No one has to buy a filter or a cartridge.

Ever.

Why do you think the poor are as stupid as you are?

[Parker2112]

How does this work chump?