View Full Version : Make the Call: Who Wins the Heisman?
JayTheClown
12-05-2011, 06:45 PM
If I had a vote it would go to RG3.
Who would you pick?
tlongII
12-05-2011, 06:49 PM
Andrew Luck
The Reckoning
12-05-2011, 06:54 PM
we all know voters will ensure richardson grabs it. there is no doubt in my mind he will get the heisman. it doesnt mean because he's the best player but because he's a part of the BCS' lovechild's conference.
Obstructed_View
12-05-2011, 07:17 PM
I figure Luck's going to win it for the same reason. Nobody that votes for Luck will make a convincing case.
johngateswhiteley
12-05-2011, 09:29 PM
If I had a vote it would go to RG3.
Who would you pick?
agreed! thats my pick.
BRHornet45
12-05-2011, 11:22 PM
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we all know voters will ensure richardson grabs it. there is no doubt in my mind he will get the heisman. it doesnt mean because he's the best player but because he's a part of the BCS' lovechild's conference.
So mad :lmao
I hope Ball wins it, but think it's down to RGIII/Luck. Popularity being Luck's assistant.
Obstructed_View
12-06-2011, 12:08 AM
Still scouring the internet for a convincing case for Luck. So far the best reasons I can find concern his record last season and how his team might only win 6 or 7 games without him. Baylor has the 110th best defense in the nation and they still won 9 games. If a quarterback wins the award, it's gotta be Griffin.
The Reckoning
12-06-2011, 12:15 AM
we all know richardson will win it, though i wouldnt be surprised luck wins.
if richardson doesnt win it (or atleast gets 2nd) then my string of correct predictions has run out, and its no use posting anymore.
JoeTait75
12-06-2011, 12:21 AM
It should be RGIII in a landslide.
Kid from LSU should be second.
we all know richardson will win it, though i wouldnt be surprised luck wins.
if richardson doesnt win it (or atleast gets 2nd) then my string of correct predictions has run out, and its no use posting anymore.
Richardson will not win it.
DesignatedT
12-06-2011, 12:45 AM
RG3 should take it. Luck 2nd. The honey badger really hurt Richardson in this. Them 2 being in it splits a lot of the SEC/Southern voters up.
Spursfan092120
12-06-2011, 01:07 AM
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Holy shit that song is terrible.
benefactor
12-06-2011, 07:15 AM
Still scouring the internet for a convincing case for Luck. So far the best reasons I can find concern his record last season and how his team might only win 6 or 7 games without him. Baylor has the 110th best defense in the nation and they still won 9 games. If a quarterback wins the award, it's gotta be Griffin.
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DUNCANownsKOBE
12-06-2011, 07:52 AM
Holy shit that song is terrible.
:lmao I had to turn the video off after 5 seconds
The Reckoning
12-06-2011, 10:09 AM
this guy is really classy, tbh. what a humble player.
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this guy is really classy, tbh. what a humble player.
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I don't see how what he said is any different than RGIII. RGIII said immediately "I think Baylor won their first heisman tonight".
That's more direct than saying he deserves to be at the top.
Your SEC butthurt is incredible.
Obstructed_View
12-06-2011, 10:45 AM
this guy is really classy, tbh. what a humble player.
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I assume you're serious. Seems like a nice kid. Gives his teammates credit for throwing good blocks for him.
DesignatedT
12-06-2011, 11:52 AM
Tyrann Mathieu is the best player in football.
RG3 deserves the heisman.
JamStone
12-06-2011, 01:18 PM
Still scouring the internet for a convincing case for Luck. So far the best reasons I can find concern his record last season and how his team might only win 6 or 7 games without him. Baylor has the 110th best defense in the nation and they still won 9 games. If a quarterback wins the award, it's gotta be Griffin.
I think the field is wide open this year. If you're going based on statistical production alone, RG3 would definitely deserve it more than Luck. But even though he isn't a finalist, you could say the same thing about Case Keenum deserving it over RG3 using that same logic. I'm sure the voters look at more than just the stats. Luck was already anointed last year and it will probably sway votes his way, deserving or not. And I do think how each of Heisman candidate's teams finished and their overall record will also play a role.
Blake
12-06-2011, 03:00 PM
Heisman voting sucks as much as the BCS.
Luck seemed to fizzle out. I don't really think RGIII is Heisman worthy, but I think I'd vote for him over Keenum because of SOS.
I think RGIII wins it.
Obstructed_View
12-06-2011, 05:09 PM
I think the field is wide open this year. If you're going based on statistical production alone, RG3 would definitely deserve it more than Luck. But even though he isn't a finalist, you could say the same thing about Case Keenum deserving it over RG3 using that same logic. I'm sure the voters look at more than just the stats. Luck was already anointed last year and it will probably sway votes his way, deserving or not. And I do think how each of Heisman candidate's teams finished and their overall record will also play a role.
Implying that going based on statistical production alone gives Griffin an advantage over Luck means that some combination of something else gives Luck the advantage over Griffin, which just isn't so. As you said, unless voters decide to put a whole lot of undeserved weight on his runner up for the Heisman last year and his team's two extra wins, there just isn't a case to be made between the two. My incredible, horribly gigantic bias aside, it's frankly not even close.
Keenum had quite a bit better stats. They're pretty jaw dropping. I'd be all for Keenum getting the trophy, but he wasn't a finalist, probably due to UH's relatively weak schedule. Scary that Art Briles could have had both of them this year in Houston had he stayed.
Ghazi
12-06-2011, 05:40 PM
Richardson's my boy, but he's not even the most deserving RB. Ball is.
RG III will win it.
JamStone
12-06-2011, 07:08 PM
Implying that going based on statistical production alone gives Griffin an advantage over Luck means that some combination of something else gives Luck the advantage over Griffin, which just isn't so. As you said, unless voters decide to put a whole lot of undeserved weight on his runner up for the Heisman last year and his team's two extra wins, there just isn't a case to be made between the two. My incredible, horribly gigantic bias aside, it's frankly not even close.
Keenum had quite a bit better stats. They're pretty jaw dropping. I'd be all for Keenum getting the trophy, but he wasn't a finalist, probably due to UH's relatively weak schedule. Scary that Art Briles could have had both of them this year in Houston had he stayed.
Fair. I'm not suggesting Luck does have the other intangible factors in his favor. Frankly, I didn't watch much of either team, other than College Football Final highlights. But if I were a Heisman voter, I would definitely look at other factors, such as 4th quarter drives in close games, being able to bring a team back from being down, how they performed against the better teams, what type of talent is around each from the O-line to receivers and RBs. Stuff like that. If those things still favor RG3, that's good. RG3 did have better overall stats, but Luck had close enough stats that I would at least look at those other factors when deciding.
For me, if I did have a vote, I would actually lean towards Mathieu as some others have suggested. I agree that right now he's the best college football player in the country. And the fact that he plays on the #1 team in the country and still shines above his teammates, that would get my vote. But I do understand why he likely won't, with his drug violation and since he's only a sophomore and voters generally tend to not vote for underclassmen. But he has impressed me most this season.
The Reckoning
12-08-2011, 10:44 PM
no SEC players on the "good works" team. :lmao
no SEC players on the "good works" team. :lmao
A lot of SEC players winning every award.
The Reckoning
12-08-2011, 11:21 PM
A lot of SEC players winning every award.
you heard it here first!
Cant_Be_Faded
12-09-2011, 02:25 AM
Man I shoulda put fucking money on this one. I called RGIII winnin this bitch preseason.
ARGH, shoulda posted it here for bragging rights at least fwiw tbhhhhh
Cant_Be_Faded
12-09-2011, 02:27 AM
Every poll shows RGIII in a landslide.
blkroadrunners
12-09-2011, 02:46 AM
I'd say RGIII.
Spursfan092120
12-09-2011, 11:34 AM
Holy shit that song is terrible.
lol..yeah, the song is shit, but mute is golden...the video is pretty sick.
PublicOption
12-10-2011, 04:44 AM
they did a straw poll and ESPN predicts RG3, but its probably a set up so you will watch the presentation and be all surprised when its someone else.
LakerHater
12-10-2011, 02:49 PM
who watches the heisman ceremony?
http://board.freeones.com/images/freeones/smilies/dunno.gif
...but, I'll go with R.G.III
who watches the heisman ceremony?
Not me. I think it'll be RGIII, but who knows...
Obstructed_View
12-10-2011, 06:55 PM
Desmond Howard said one out of every five Heisman votes was already submitted before the end of the season. That being the case, I'm changing my prediction to Luck.
Betsy
12-10-2011, 07:28 PM
I would say rg from baylor should be a definite heisman winner
LakerHater
12-10-2011, 08:55 PM
RGIII wins!
http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/917192/469663119_medium.jpg
DesignatedT
12-10-2011, 09:03 PM
It's that Southern vote I was talkin about.
How many Heisman Trophey winners have played in the Alamo Bowl?
JoeTait75
12-10-2011, 09:08 PM
Good for him, he deserves it. Baylor is a three-or-four-win team without him, IMO.
LakerHater
12-10-2011, 09:14 PM
How many Heisman Trophey winners have played in the Alamo Bowl?
Cart McCoy... oh wait...
AFBlue
12-10-2011, 09:48 PM
RGIII wins!
http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/917192/469663119_medium.jpg
:lol
Love it...the Heisman AND the socks.
cart mccoy... Oh wait...
27-25
LakerHater
12-11-2011, 01:23 AM
27-25
3-1 vs Daniel
Obstructed_View
12-11-2011, 01:51 AM
Way closer than it should have been. The Luck voters had their minds made up. Watching the presentation, it was pretty clear that all of those kids were deserving of the award. Congrats to RGIII.
Brutalis
12-11-2011, 01:58 AM
Really no true big time Heisman this year but they had to give it to someone and I'm glad it was RG.
Well... On a refreshing note, it's good to see that the Nissan Heisman Trophey Presented by Wendy's hasn't become too commercialized.
The Reckoning
12-11-2011, 05:01 AM
ive never been more proud to be wrong! grats to rgIII! he totally deserved it.
Obstructed_View
12-11-2011, 12:16 PM
Well... On a refreshing note, it's good to see that the Nissan Heisman Trophey Presented by Wendy's hasn't become too commercialized.
I was actually quite surprised there were no muppets anywhere.
Cant_Be_Faded
12-11-2011, 02:26 PM
Way closer than it should have been. The Luck voters had their minds made up. Watching the presentation, it was pretty clear that all of those kids were deserving of the award. Congrats to RGIII.
Definitely way closer than it should have been. Luck winning woulda prob caused race riots if Baylor were a big city school
The Reckoning
12-12-2011, 03:16 PM
Definitely way closer than it should have been. Luck winning woulda prob caused race riots if Baylor were a big city school
probably mass suicide
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